<instructions>Your goal is to analyze the following comment and estimate how highly it will be upvoted by the Hacker News community.</instructions><comment><author>Jun8</author><text>I totally agree with the idea in the OP (not that we have much free parking left in Chicago). But I have to get something off my chest, although it&apos;s tangential to this post. (I know this will be sacrilege to the many HN bikers but here it goes):&lt;p&gt;First a disclaimer: I, at 40+, cannot ride a bike reliably (yeah, I know, it funny, there&apos;s a long backstory), in fact I learned how to ride about 10 years ago, not by applying a kid&apos;s natural understanding but (almost) from physical principles, e.g. conservation of angular momentum (which I recently read from physics exchange is &lt;i&gt;not&lt;/i&gt; how bikes work). So my comments are an outsider&apos;s view to bikers.&lt;p&gt;I find the behavior of most bikers in traffic to be dangerous, obnoxious and rude. Bikers often say that they should be treated on par with cars (in matters of passing, etc.), but they themselves operate somewhere between vehicles and pedestrians, combining the worse characteristics of each. I have observed &lt;i&gt;many&lt;/i&gt; bikers not to stop at stop signs or red lights, because, you know, they&apos;re for cars, jeopardizing pedestrians. A 90kg man on a bike moving fast is an object you don&apos;t want to run into when you&apos;re walking. In parks (e.g. Chicago&apos;s long lake shore), although they should share their lane with people strolling and child strollers, they go about at high speeds. Many bikers ignore signs where bikes are prohibited on sidewalks and ride them among people.&lt;p&gt;And the worst part is you can&apos;t say anything, because these guys are living a healthy lifestyle, right? They are saving gas, etc. Now, this, of course, is true, but doesn&apos;t give them precedence over all other lifeforms on sidewalks.&lt;p&gt;Next time you don your cool biker&apos;s outfit and feeling totally Armstrong, please try to remember us, lowly people trying to share the sidewalks and streets with you.</text><parent_chain></parent_chain></comment><story><title>The Economics of Bike Lanes</title><url>http://economicsintelligence.com/2011/03/11/the-economics-of-bike-lanes-%E2%80%93-how-can-john-cassidy-get-it-so-wrong/</url></story>
<instructions>Your goal is to analyze the following comment and estimate how highly it will be upvoted by the Hacker News community.</instructions><comment><author>rjprins</author><text>This discussion about the value and use of bike lanes keeps amazing me. It seems many people hold a negative view without having good arguments, almost religiously.&lt;p&gt;Living in the Netherlands, the benefits of separate bike lanes (to point of a separate transit system) are so incredibly obvious. It&apos;s not some cultural particularity, it&apos;s because cycling has been made easy, nice (most of the time) and safe here. (see &lt;a href=&quot;http://hembrow.blogspot.com/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://hembrow.blogspot.com/&lt;/a&gt;)&lt;p&gt;People who don&apos;t accept the rationality of the whole thing, probably have difficulty imagining a city with a cycling network. And when you show them the Dutch system, they have problems imagining the change it requires to get there.
That is why Copenhaganize is a good campaign, because it shows the change is possible</text><parent_chain></parent_chain></comment><story><title>The Economics of Bike Lanes</title><url>http://economicsintelligence.com/2011/03/11/the-economics-of-bike-lanes-%E2%80%93-how-can-john-cassidy-get-it-so-wrong/</url></story>