<instructions>Your goal is to analyze the following comment and estimate how highly it will be upvoted by the Hacker News community.</instructions><comment><author>cue_the_strings</author><text>It&amp;#x27;s not the C++, it&amp;#x27;s the embedded. Embedded is paid miserably, everywhere, no matter how complex or interesting. Simply put, having to manufacture things, with its supply chain, warehousing, manufacturing, ... is never gonna have the margins of a purely software or financial product. Since the employees&amp;#x27; salaries depend on the profit from that physical thing, it can never compete w&amp;#x2F; software &amp;#x2F; finance.&lt;p&gt;The only well paid embedded jobs involve producing weapons (&amp;#x27;defence&amp;#x27;) or gambling (&amp;#x27;gaming&amp;#x27;), and I&amp;#x27;d rather sell crack to kindergartners while also prostituting myself than do that. I did get a bunch of those offers and still do get them every now and again, even though I&amp;#x27;m happily employed.&lt;p&gt;Moved to finance, never looked back. People should plain refuse to work in embedded, maybe then thing will get better.&lt;p&gt;Also, C++ is the differentiator. People hire for other languages (C# and Rust, in my experience) based on your deep C++ knowledge. And this does make sense, this is a great proxy for your development skills and potential.</text><parent_chain><item><author>klaussilveira</author><text>Heh. I&amp;#x27;m pretty proficient in modern C++, and it is my favorite tool for a lot of things, but my PHP job pays way more than any C++ position available. Did an interview once for Senior C++ Engineer, embedded software in the medical device space. All went good, until the offer: $100k.&lt;p&gt;Articles like this are nothing more than a desperate attempt at getting younger generations to learn said topic, so companies can pay them crappy salaries.</text></item></parent_chain></comment><story><title>The pool of talented C++ developers is running dry</title><url>https://www.efinancialcareers.com/news/finance/why-is-there-a-drought-in-the-talent-pool-for-c-developers</url></story>
<instructions>Your goal is to analyze the following comment and estimate how highly it will be upvoted by the Hacker News community.</instructions><comment><author>at-fates-hands</author><text>Anecdotal evidence to support what you&amp;#x27;re saying.&lt;p&gt;I had a large group of devs I used to hang out with. It was about 50&amp;#x2F;50 front-end and C, C++ guys. Over the last decade or so, every single C developer either transitioned to PHP like yourself, or went the full-stack JS route and have never looked back.&lt;p&gt;And it was all over the issues around dealing with legacy systems and the poor pay. One guy told me flat out he can make close to twice as much being a very in demand JS developer with great benefits and reasonable hours compared to the horror show of working in government (military) or finance.</text><parent_chain><item><author>klaussilveira</author><text>Heh. I&amp;#x27;m pretty proficient in modern C++, and it is my favorite tool for a lot of things, but my PHP job pays way more than any C++ position available. Did an interview once for Senior C++ Engineer, embedded software in the medical device space. All went good, until the offer: $100k.&lt;p&gt;Articles like this are nothing more than a desperate attempt at getting younger generations to learn said topic, so companies can pay them crappy salaries.</text></item></parent_chain></comment><story><title>The pool of talented C++ developers is running dry</title><url>https://www.efinancialcareers.com/news/finance/why-is-there-a-drought-in-the-talent-pool-for-c-developers</url></story>