<instructions>Your goal is to analyze the following comment and estimate how highly it will be upvoted by the Hacker News community.</instructions><comment><author>reuven</author><text>Wow, it never occurred to me that HR staffers might get a bonus for hiring people at a low salary.  I would have hoped (naively, it would seem) that they would get a bonus for hiring really great people that help the company to do better things.&lt;p&gt;This sort of reward structure strikes me as focused on short-term benefits, without regard to the long-term strength of the company.  It&apos;s very sad to hear (and shows just how out of things I am, having been my own boss for 16 years).</text><parent_chain><item><author>desigooner</author><text>HR&apos;s job is to hire someone at the very least amount possible. They have a range to go by with and at quite a few companies, the difference between upper salary limit of the position that was budgeted and the salary that the hire was made either goes into a pool that is split between the HR recruiters at the end of the year or they get a certain %age of the amount as bonus.&lt;p&gt;Always do your research on similar positions at the same company or different companies through a site like glassdoor.com before even negotiating. You should not be going in blind. Also do research on how much people are making at a role that is similar to yours in terms of work / title / experience. Remember that if there are 2 same positions at a company or even in a department or a team, difference between their salaries could be big.&lt;p&gt;If you&apos;re asked to divulge salary history, don&apos;t tip your hand. I&apos;ve made this mistake a couple of times and I have regretted it / having had to settle for a lower salary. If insist on you giving them a number, quote a number that&apos;s 10-15% higher than your annual salary (Have to be careful of the company not finding out your current salary through some other means).&lt;p&gt;Always tell them about the value you bring to their organization and your experience and that you deserve this much $ amount because of how much the future company will benefit from your skills. Talk about positive recommendations &amp;#38; performance reviews, performance bonuses, awards &amp;#38; accolades you&apos;ve earned at your current/ past jobs or at school. Do not bring in a comparative number (this company is offering me this much) unless you really need to as it sort of casts a negative impression about you being all about money. Potray how highly you&apos;re  interested in the position but you feel that the offer is on a conservative side as far as the market rate goes.&lt;p&gt;If they cannot offer a higher $$$ figure, and you really like the profile, you can negotiate better benefits like full health coverage vs. partial, higher # of vacation days (some companies allow you to cash out some vacation days at the end of the year), commuter benefits, etc.&lt;p&gt;Just be confident and do not hesitate to ask for more (as long as it&apos;s realistic and comparable to the going rate). Also, rehearse the negotiation with a friend or just simulate the conversation in your mind before you actually do the talking with the hiring manager.&lt;p&gt;Disclaimer; Some of this might not be right. Please feel free to correct any erroneous statements I&apos;ve made. :)</text></item><item><author>c4urself</author><text>Crap, i didn&apos;t know you could choose _not_ to divulge salary history! I&apos;m horrible at salary negotiations, any links/advice for getting a better salary deal?</text></item><item><author>patio11</author><text>Having been a male engineer for a couple of years now, it is very disquieting to learn that there is any population of people anywhere who are getting ROFLstomped by male engineers in negotiating savvy.  A potted plant could handle a salary negotiation better than many people (myself included at one point) -- at least the potted plant wouldn&apos;t divulge a salary history when asked.</text></item></parent_chain></comment><story><title>I regularly hire women for 65% to 75% of what males make</title><url>http://www.reddit.com/r/TwoXChromosomes/comments/hvv2m/i_work_for_a_large_multinational_tech_company_i/</url></story>
<instructions>Your goal is to analyze the following comment and estimate how highly it will be upvoted by the Hacker News community.</instructions><comment><author>blankenship</author><text>&lt;i&gt;HR&apos;s job is to hire someone at the very least amount possible.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;p&gt;Is it?&lt;p&gt;HR strategy should maximize ROI and minimize financial risk regarding your team, but that doesn&apos;t necessary mean hiring someone for the least amount possible. Getting the best ROI and minimizing risk sometimes means recruiting the best possible employees and paying them exceptionally well to retain their services and keep them around.</text><parent_chain><item><author>desigooner</author><text>HR&apos;s job is to hire someone at the very least amount possible. They have a range to go by with and at quite a few companies, the difference between upper salary limit of the position that was budgeted and the salary that the hire was made either goes into a pool that is split between the HR recruiters at the end of the year or they get a certain %age of the amount as bonus.&lt;p&gt;Always do your research on similar positions at the same company or different companies through a site like glassdoor.com before even negotiating. You should not be going in blind. Also do research on how much people are making at a role that is similar to yours in terms of work / title / experience. Remember that if there are 2 same positions at a company or even in a department or a team, difference between their salaries could be big.&lt;p&gt;If you&apos;re asked to divulge salary history, don&apos;t tip your hand. I&apos;ve made this mistake a couple of times and I have regretted it / having had to settle for a lower salary. If insist on you giving them a number, quote a number that&apos;s 10-15% higher than your annual salary (Have to be careful of the company not finding out your current salary through some other means).&lt;p&gt;Always tell them about the value you bring to their organization and your experience and that you deserve this much $ amount because of how much the future company will benefit from your skills. Talk about positive recommendations &amp;#38; performance reviews, performance bonuses, awards &amp;#38; accolades you&apos;ve earned at your current/ past jobs or at school. Do not bring in a comparative number (this company is offering me this much) unless you really need to as it sort of casts a negative impression about you being all about money. Potray how highly you&apos;re  interested in the position but you feel that the offer is on a conservative side as far as the market rate goes.&lt;p&gt;If they cannot offer a higher $$$ figure, and you really like the profile, you can negotiate better benefits like full health coverage vs. partial, higher # of vacation days (some companies allow you to cash out some vacation days at the end of the year), commuter benefits, etc.&lt;p&gt;Just be confident and do not hesitate to ask for more (as long as it&apos;s realistic and comparable to the going rate). Also, rehearse the negotiation with a friend or just simulate the conversation in your mind before you actually do the talking with the hiring manager.&lt;p&gt;Disclaimer; Some of this might not be right. Please feel free to correct any erroneous statements I&apos;ve made. :)</text></item><item><author>c4urself</author><text>Crap, i didn&apos;t know you could choose _not_ to divulge salary history! I&apos;m horrible at salary negotiations, any links/advice for getting a better salary deal?</text></item><item><author>patio11</author><text>Having been a male engineer for a couple of years now, it is very disquieting to learn that there is any population of people anywhere who are getting ROFLstomped by male engineers in negotiating savvy.  A potted plant could handle a salary negotiation better than many people (myself included at one point) -- at least the potted plant wouldn&apos;t divulge a salary history when asked.</text></item></parent_chain></comment><story><title>I regularly hire women for 65% to 75% of what males make</title><url>http://www.reddit.com/r/TwoXChromosomes/comments/hvv2m/i_work_for_a_large_multinational_tech_company_i/</url></story>