<instructions>Your goal is to analyze the following comment and estimate how highly it will be upvoted by the Hacker News community.</instructions><comment><author>chungus_khan</author><text>Part of the problem here though is that there are exactly three meaningfully fully independent web browsers: Firefox, Chrome, and Safari. Everything else is beholden to one of those three, nearly all of them Chrome. Making a browser engine is an unbelievably massive undertaking, and every browser that deviates from its upstream has two choices: deviate mostly cosmetically and add new features or remove unsavory features, or deviate substantially and be left thoroughly in the dust by the rapid pace of the living web. Google will make decisions that benefit them as the leading ad provider and data seller, Apple will make decisions that benefit them as a hardware and platform vendor, and Mozilla is left, regardless of their values, as the only browser vendor with decision-making power that isn&amp;#x27;t using their browser as a means to another business goal.&lt;p&gt;The real problem is though as always: users don&amp;#x27;t actually think very much about what browser they use. The vast majority of Google Chrome and Safari users don&amp;#x27;t use those browsers because of performance or features, they use them because that&amp;#x27;s the one they know about. Safari comes with your computer and Google pesters you to install Chrome at all times.&lt;p&gt;My point being: Mozilla does need to figure out a way to get people&amp;#x27;s attention, and IMO it should involve an expression of the values people associate with them, but it needs to stand to actually draw attention towards them and those values.</text><parent_chain><item><author>lewisflude</author><text>I get the impression that Mozilla is a bloated organisation that&amp;#x27;s resting on goodwill it built up back when Firefox was a compelling user experience.&lt;p&gt;I think one of the main reasons anyone uses Firefox nowadays is because they believe in the mission and find good values alignment with a player that has more independence than Google.&lt;p&gt;With a constant string of red flags and negative press, I wonder what the next version of Mozilla will look like. Personally, I wouldn&amp;#x27;t bet on them surviving and thriving for much longer.&lt;p&gt;I feel a core part of the Firefox-using crowd vouch for it because they believe in the Mozilla mission from years back, and feel a strong value alignment with the company. I don&amp;#x27;t think they&amp;#x27;ve got enough goodwill built up to ride things out forever.</text></item><item><author>ConsiderCrying</author><text>There&amp;#x27;s also this fun story [0], which was discussed here [1]. Fits nicely with Mozilla saying: &amp;quot;We’re here to prove that you can have an ethical tech business.&amp;quot; Start by caring for your workers first, instead of giving pay raises to CEOs, under whose leadership the company&amp;#x27;s been struggling.&lt;p&gt;[0]: &lt;a href=&quot;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;news.slashdot.org&amp;#x2F;story&amp;#x2F;20&amp;#x2F;09&amp;#x2F;23&amp;#x2F;1528219&amp;#x2F;firefox-usage-is-down-85-despite-mozillas-top-exec-pay-going-up-400&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;news.slashdot.org&amp;#x2F;story&amp;#x2F;20&amp;#x2F;09&amp;#x2F;23&amp;#x2F;1528219&amp;#x2F;firefox-usa...&lt;/a&gt;&lt;p&gt;[1]: &lt;a href=&quot;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&amp;#x2F;item?id=24563698&amp;amp;ref=hvper.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&amp;#x2F;item?id=24563698&amp;amp;ref=hvper.com&lt;/a&gt;</text></item></parent_chain></comment><story><title>The internet needs our love</title><url>https://blog.mozilla.org/blog/2020/09/30/the-internet-needs-our-love/</url></story>
<instructions>Your goal is to analyze the following comment and estimate how highly it will be upvoted by the Hacker News community.</instructions><comment><author>prox</author><text>Often CEOS don’t know when to quit. I don’t mean they aren’t competent, but they simply aren’t the right one for the job and they don’t want to leave, or unable to change their ways.&lt;p&gt;I really wish Firefox the best but even though I love their blogs and how they communicate, their branding needs adaption as well recapture the hearts of developers and the crowd.</text><parent_chain><item><author>lewisflude</author><text>I get the impression that Mozilla is a bloated organisation that&amp;#x27;s resting on goodwill it built up back when Firefox was a compelling user experience.&lt;p&gt;I think one of the main reasons anyone uses Firefox nowadays is because they believe in the mission and find good values alignment with a player that has more independence than Google.&lt;p&gt;With a constant string of red flags and negative press, I wonder what the next version of Mozilla will look like. Personally, I wouldn&amp;#x27;t bet on them surviving and thriving for much longer.&lt;p&gt;I feel a core part of the Firefox-using crowd vouch for it because they believe in the Mozilla mission from years back, and feel a strong value alignment with the company. I don&amp;#x27;t think they&amp;#x27;ve got enough goodwill built up to ride things out forever.</text></item><item><author>ConsiderCrying</author><text>There&amp;#x27;s also this fun story [0], which was discussed here [1]. Fits nicely with Mozilla saying: &amp;quot;We’re here to prove that you can have an ethical tech business.&amp;quot; Start by caring for your workers first, instead of giving pay raises to CEOs, under whose leadership the company&amp;#x27;s been struggling.&lt;p&gt;[0]: &lt;a href=&quot;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;news.slashdot.org&amp;#x2F;story&amp;#x2F;20&amp;#x2F;09&amp;#x2F;23&amp;#x2F;1528219&amp;#x2F;firefox-usage-is-down-85-despite-mozillas-top-exec-pay-going-up-400&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;news.slashdot.org&amp;#x2F;story&amp;#x2F;20&amp;#x2F;09&amp;#x2F;23&amp;#x2F;1528219&amp;#x2F;firefox-usa...&lt;/a&gt;&lt;p&gt;[1]: &lt;a href=&quot;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&amp;#x2F;item?id=24563698&amp;amp;ref=hvper.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&amp;#x2F;item?id=24563698&amp;amp;ref=hvper.com&lt;/a&gt;</text></item></parent_chain></comment><story><title>The internet needs our love</title><url>https://blog.mozilla.org/blog/2020/09/30/the-internet-needs-our-love/</url></story>