<instructions>Your goal is to analyze the following comment and estimate how highly it will be upvoted by the Hacker News community.</instructions><comment><author>kbenson</author><text>&amp;gt; Google&amp;#x27;s business model is based on selling user-generated data to advertisers, unlike telcos who sell network data to you.&lt;p&gt;Sure, because the telcos have no interest in tracking their customers for profit[1]?  As long as it&amp;#x27;s profitable and legal, any public company will eventually sell metadata regarding you.  Since the data is profitable, if we want to protect ourselves from this that leaves us with making it illegal to collect and share, either through contract or by law.&lt;p&gt;1: &lt;a href=&quot;http:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;www.theverge.com&amp;#x2F;2016&amp;#x2F;3&amp;#x2F;7&amp;#x2F;11173010&amp;#x2F;verizon-supercookie-fine-1-3-million-fcc&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;www.theverge.com&amp;#x2F;2016&amp;#x2F;3&amp;#x2F;7&amp;#x2F;11173010&amp;#x2F;verizon-supercooki...&lt;/a&gt;</text><parent_chain><item><author>walterbell</author><text>Google&amp;#x27;s business model is based on selling user-generated data to advertisers, unlike telcos who sell network data &lt;i&gt;to you&lt;/i&gt;.&lt;p&gt;See Harvard professor  Shoshana Zuboff&amp;#x27;s video on Surveillance Capitalism, &lt;a href=&quot;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;vimeo.com&amp;#x2F;110222526&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;vimeo.com&amp;#x2F;110222526&lt;/a&gt;&lt;p&gt;NYC has the leverage to negotiate better financial terms for capturing the value of city residents data.  The money generated &lt;i&gt;from&lt;/i&gt; harvesting city resident behavior can then be invested into city infrastructure and services for residents.&lt;p&gt;Data and networks are here to stay.  What is open for negotiation is the split of revenue between city residents and vendors.  For example, kiosks could be funded as neutral infrastructure that could be shared by competing vendors.  A city itself is &amp;quot;shared infrastructure&amp;quot;.</text></item><item><author>krschultz</author><text>I came here to say something similar. I&amp;#x27;ve seen many people using them all hours of the day &amp;amp; night. People are watching music videos, charging their phone, getting directions, and surfing the internet. The people using them are often those that don&amp;#x27;t have the luxury (necessity?) of walking around with a nice smart phone and a big data plan.&lt;p&gt;Do they have ads on them? Of course. So do the bus shelters which are funded using a similar public&amp;#x2F;private partnership.&lt;p&gt;If you are worried about the data collection, don&amp;#x27;t use them or the wifi provided by them. But you are basically saying you trust Verizon&amp;#x2F;AT&amp;amp;T&amp;#x2F;T-Mobile&amp;#x2F;Sprint with your data more than you trust Sidewalk Labs&amp;#x2F;Google. Is that an informed tradeoff?</text></item><item><author>heheocoenev</author><text>I was walking down 3rd ave at 2am a week ago. I saw a homeless man with headphones listening to music on YouTube on a link. He had a little chair and was rocking out. It was beautiful.&lt;p&gt;We might give up a lot, but maybe those with nothing to give have plenty to gain.</text></item></parent_chain></comment><story><title>Transforming NYC&apos;s Payphones into a &apos;Personalized Propaganda Engine&apos;</title><url>http://www.villagevoice.com/news/google-is-transforming-nycs-payphones-into-a-personalized-propaganda-engine-8822938</url></story>
<instructions>Your goal is to analyze the following comment and estimate how highly it will be upvoted by the Hacker News community.</instructions><comment><author>morgante</author><text>&amp;gt; Google&amp;#x27;s business model is based on selling user-generated data to advertisers, unlike telcos who sell network data to you.&lt;p&gt;Really? Where?&lt;p&gt;I have worked on some large marketing projects. We&amp;#x27;d &lt;i&gt;love&lt;/i&gt; to be able to buy user data from Google.&lt;p&gt;This facile argument is really getting old. When you get a free newspaper, does that mean you&amp;#x27;re getting &amp;quot;sold?&amp;quot;</text><parent_chain><item><author>walterbell</author><text>Google&amp;#x27;s business model is based on selling user-generated data to advertisers, unlike telcos who sell network data &lt;i&gt;to you&lt;/i&gt;.&lt;p&gt;See Harvard professor  Shoshana Zuboff&amp;#x27;s video on Surveillance Capitalism, &lt;a href=&quot;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;vimeo.com&amp;#x2F;110222526&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;vimeo.com&amp;#x2F;110222526&lt;/a&gt;&lt;p&gt;NYC has the leverage to negotiate better financial terms for capturing the value of city residents data.  The money generated &lt;i&gt;from&lt;/i&gt; harvesting city resident behavior can then be invested into city infrastructure and services for residents.&lt;p&gt;Data and networks are here to stay.  What is open for negotiation is the split of revenue between city residents and vendors.  For example, kiosks could be funded as neutral infrastructure that could be shared by competing vendors.  A city itself is &amp;quot;shared infrastructure&amp;quot;.</text></item><item><author>krschultz</author><text>I came here to say something similar. I&amp;#x27;ve seen many people using them all hours of the day &amp;amp; night. People are watching music videos, charging their phone, getting directions, and surfing the internet. The people using them are often those that don&amp;#x27;t have the luxury (necessity?) of walking around with a nice smart phone and a big data plan.&lt;p&gt;Do they have ads on them? Of course. So do the bus shelters which are funded using a similar public&amp;#x2F;private partnership.&lt;p&gt;If you are worried about the data collection, don&amp;#x27;t use them or the wifi provided by them. But you are basically saying you trust Verizon&amp;#x2F;AT&amp;amp;T&amp;#x2F;T-Mobile&amp;#x2F;Sprint with your data more than you trust Sidewalk Labs&amp;#x2F;Google. Is that an informed tradeoff?</text></item><item><author>heheocoenev</author><text>I was walking down 3rd ave at 2am a week ago. I saw a homeless man with headphones listening to music on YouTube on a link. He had a little chair and was rocking out. It was beautiful.&lt;p&gt;We might give up a lot, but maybe those with nothing to give have plenty to gain.</text></item></parent_chain></comment><story><title>Transforming NYC&apos;s Payphones into a &apos;Personalized Propaganda Engine&apos;</title><url>http://www.villagevoice.com/news/google-is-transforming-nycs-payphones-into-a-personalized-propaganda-engine-8822938</url></story>