<instructions>Your goal is to analyze the following comment and estimate how highly it will be upvoted by the Hacker News community.</instructions><comment><author>southerntofu</author><text>&amp;gt; &amp;quot;As far as I know there&amp;#x27;s a sizeable number of devs who don&amp;#x27;t intend to ever rely on copilot&amp;quot;&lt;p&gt;I&amp;#x27;m one of those. I&amp;#x27;ve been programming for a while now and there&amp;#x27;s no way i&amp;#x27;m gonna trust a neural network with my code. Debugging is painful enough without having to deal with subtle bugs hallucinated by ML.&lt;p&gt;Some machines are really useful to reduce human suffering and augment our collective capabilities. Some machines are just useless, polluting gadgets. I think ML sits in the middleground: if your job is pissing meaningless code all day that&amp;#x27;s very repetitive it can probably do it for you... but if you have to actually do R&amp;amp;D to develop new tools i don&amp;#x27;t think ML will be any use.&lt;p&gt;So yes AI can reduce work, but arguably work that was never required nor beneficial to humanity to begin with. I would be way more interested in society reflecting on &amp;quot;bullshit jobs&amp;quot; and how to actually share the workload so that we can have 1-day work-weeks planet-wide, just as the scientists from the 19th&amp;#x2F;20th century envisioned. Instead of continuing to destroy the planet so we can run bullshitting neural nets in the cloud that produce arguably little value.&lt;p&gt;But sure, ML is fun. Let&amp;#x27;s just pretend we don&amp;#x27;t see the whole world burning outside the window.</text><parent_chain><item><author>hutzlibu</author><text>&amp;quot;As far as I know there&amp;#x27;s a sizeable number of devs who don&amp;#x27;t intend to ever rely on copilot&amp;quot;&lt;p&gt;Is that really a thing?&lt;p&gt;I mean, I also don&amp;#x27;t want to rely on Microsoft and therefore also not on Copilot, but not using AI tools in general out of principle is probably a very rare minority. I simply would prefer my own local LLM.&lt;p&gt;But in the thread linked above I read &amp;quot;AI never had and never will have it’s place in art.&amp;quot; And this stance would be very weird for me for devs.</text></item><item><author>makeitdouble</author><text>Is it that different from how we view Github copilot ?&lt;p&gt;As far as I know there&amp;#x27;s a sizeable number of devs who don&amp;#x27;t intend to ever rely on copilot, and I would expect the a similar trend in the drawing community with amateurs and pros not specially anti-AI, but not wanting to have a random generator meddle with their art.</text></item><item><author>raincole</author><text>I think at one point Krita will fork to two apps because of this exact reason. AI-based tools are clearly the next step of painting apps (to me at least, but I can&amp;#x27;t be the only one who believes in this).&lt;p&gt;I think in 3~5 years an painting app without AI generation feature is just like a painting app without pen pressure today. It&amp;#x27;s still usable, you can make great art with it if you have the skill, but it will be &lt;i&gt;so&lt;/i&gt; out of fashion to a point it starts becoming cool again.</text></item><item><author>hafriedlander</author><text>Somewhat tangential, but the Krita community and core team have been pretty explicitly anti-AI. &lt;a href=&quot;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;krita-artists.org&amp;#x2F;t&amp;#x2F;change-in-policy-for-topics-related-to-generative-ai-tools-on-krita-artists&amp;#x2F;75230&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow noreferrer&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;krita-artists.org&amp;#x2F;t&amp;#x2F;change-in-policy-for-topics-rela...&lt;/a&gt;&lt;p&gt;(I am part of a group that builds UI on top of open models, but we stopped working on our Krita version for that reason.)</text></item></parent_chain></comment><story><title>Krita AI Diffusion</title><url>https://github.com/Acly/krita-ai-diffusion</url></story>
<instructions>Your goal is to analyze the following comment and estimate how highly it will be upvoted by the Hacker News community.</instructions><comment><author>lionkor</author><text>Yes, that&amp;#x27;s a thing, I&amp;#x27;m one of those people.&lt;p&gt;While impressive, the two issues I have with codepilot and other AI tools are:&lt;p&gt;1. The code is usually the same code I&amp;#x27;d get a few web searches away, except then it would have the appropriate copyright. As a FOSS developer (in my free time), I do not want to risk using code I don&amp;#x27;t have a license for, and thus dirtying up my entire project and putting it in danger of being taken down.&lt;p&gt;2. I really don&amp;#x27;t need it. At very few points in a project do I both think &amp;quot;I want to continue this&amp;quot; and also &amp;quot;I want my code written for me&amp;quot;. I like autocomplete, I use autocomplete, and I like Visual Studio&amp;#x27;s suggestions, too. It&amp;#x27;s only wrong 50% of the time, around about. I have no interest in a tool that writes my code for me, because I have learned everything I know from solving problems myself.&lt;p&gt;Edit: Clauses in the AI&amp;#x27;s ToS like &amp;quot;all code generated is yours&amp;quot; or something is akin to a sign on a bar saying &amp;quot;if you hit someone in here it&amp;#x27;s not assault&amp;quot; -- it doesn&amp;#x27;t change the facts whatsoever, and the fact is that it&amp;#x27;s still a crime to hit somebody, even if the bar&amp;#x27;s ToS say otherwise.</text><parent_chain><item><author>hutzlibu</author><text>&amp;quot;As far as I know there&amp;#x27;s a sizeable number of devs who don&amp;#x27;t intend to ever rely on copilot&amp;quot;&lt;p&gt;Is that really a thing?&lt;p&gt;I mean, I also don&amp;#x27;t want to rely on Microsoft and therefore also not on Copilot, but not using AI tools in general out of principle is probably a very rare minority. I simply would prefer my own local LLM.&lt;p&gt;But in the thread linked above I read &amp;quot;AI never had and never will have it’s place in art.&amp;quot; And this stance would be very weird for me for devs.</text></item><item><author>makeitdouble</author><text>Is it that different from how we view Github copilot ?&lt;p&gt;As far as I know there&amp;#x27;s a sizeable number of devs who don&amp;#x27;t intend to ever rely on copilot, and I would expect the a similar trend in the drawing community with amateurs and pros not specially anti-AI, but not wanting to have a random generator meddle with their art.</text></item><item><author>raincole</author><text>I think at one point Krita will fork to two apps because of this exact reason. AI-based tools are clearly the next step of painting apps (to me at least, but I can&amp;#x27;t be the only one who believes in this).&lt;p&gt;I think in 3~5 years an painting app without AI generation feature is just like a painting app without pen pressure today. It&amp;#x27;s still usable, you can make great art with it if you have the skill, but it will be &lt;i&gt;so&lt;/i&gt; out of fashion to a point it starts becoming cool again.</text></item><item><author>hafriedlander</author><text>Somewhat tangential, but the Krita community and core team have been pretty explicitly anti-AI. &lt;a href=&quot;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;krita-artists.org&amp;#x2F;t&amp;#x2F;change-in-policy-for-topics-related-to-generative-ai-tools-on-krita-artists&amp;#x2F;75230&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow noreferrer&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;krita-artists.org&amp;#x2F;t&amp;#x2F;change-in-policy-for-topics-rela...&lt;/a&gt;&lt;p&gt;(I am part of a group that builds UI on top of open models, but we stopped working on our Krita version for that reason.)</text></item></parent_chain></comment><story><title>Krita AI Diffusion</title><url>https://github.com/Acly/krita-ai-diffusion</url></story>