<instructions>Your goal is to analyze the following comment and estimate how highly it will be upvoted by the Hacker News community.</instructions><comment><author>AlotOfReading</author><text>How do unions make shitty employees unfireable? From what I&amp;#x27;ve seen, collective bargaining agreements usually mandate two things:&lt;p&gt;1. Documentation of &amp;#x27;just cause&amp;#x27; for firing. Unlike standard at-will, you need a real reason to fire someone like poor performance.&lt;p&gt;2. You need to follow the specified disciplinary process.&lt;p&gt;This is just a formalized, bureaucratic version of the process that any legitimate termination for performance is going to follow anyway, so I&amp;#x27;m not sure how it&amp;#x27;s a huge change.</text><parent_chain><item><author>Zpalmtree</author><text>[flagged]</text></item><item><author>giraffe_lady</author><text>If you were living off that money maybe you wouldn&amp;#x27;t find it so decent. Maybe you&amp;#x27;d want a union idk unless you have some non-financial reason not to that you haven&amp;#x27;t mentioned here. I trust their perception of their needs more than I trust your perception of it.</text></item><item><author>guywithahat</author><text>This is a single retail location in Maryland. There&amp;#x27;s probably a reason they let them unionize without a lot of fighting, and I&amp;#x27;m guessing it&amp;#x27;s because they will shut the store down if the union becomes a problem.&lt;p&gt;I know this site is pretty pro-union, but if I were them I would not have wanted to unionize at all. Apple has decent salaries for what it is, and it&amp;#x27;s probably cheaper to close the store than hire a McKinsey consultant to renegotiate union contracts.</text></item></parent_chain></comment><story><title>Apple has reached its first-ever union contract with store employees in Maryland</title><url>https://apnews.com/article/apple-union-contract-maryland-store-f9884d978bf3129c37726dd7978392a5</url></story>
<instructions>Your goal is to analyze the following comment and estimate how highly it will be upvoted by the Hacker News community.</instructions><comment><author>camdat</author><text>This meta-study says the exact opposite. Can you defend your position empirically?&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;www.nber.org&amp;#x2F;digest&amp;#x2F;digestsep18&amp;#x2F;new-evidence-unions-raise-wages-less-skilled-workers&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;www.nber.org&amp;#x2F;digest&amp;#x2F;digestsep18&amp;#x2F;new-evidence-unions-...&lt;/a&gt;</text><parent_chain><item><author>Zpalmtree</author><text>[flagged]</text></item><item><author>giraffe_lady</author><text>If you were living off that money maybe you wouldn&amp;#x27;t find it so decent. Maybe you&amp;#x27;d want a union idk unless you have some non-financial reason not to that you haven&amp;#x27;t mentioned here. I trust their perception of their needs more than I trust your perception of it.</text></item><item><author>guywithahat</author><text>This is a single retail location in Maryland. There&amp;#x27;s probably a reason they let them unionize without a lot of fighting, and I&amp;#x27;m guessing it&amp;#x27;s because they will shut the store down if the union becomes a problem.&lt;p&gt;I know this site is pretty pro-union, but if I were them I would not have wanted to unionize at all. Apple has decent salaries for what it is, and it&amp;#x27;s probably cheaper to close the store than hire a McKinsey consultant to renegotiate union contracts.</text></item></parent_chain></comment><story><title>Apple has reached its first-ever union contract with store employees in Maryland</title><url>https://apnews.com/article/apple-union-contract-maryland-store-f9884d978bf3129c37726dd7978392a5</url></story>