<instructions>Your goal is to analyze the following comment and estimate how highly it will be upvoted by the Hacker News community.</instructions><comment><author>lawnchair_larry</author><text>This is a pretty disgusting thing to advocate.</text><parent_chain><item><author>pftf</author><text>Voting doesn&amp;#x27;t work for the most important issues, where human rights are being severely violated.&lt;p&gt;It took a civil war for the end of slavery to begin in the US.&lt;p&gt;It took decades of terrorism for the Irish to stop being as subjugated by the British in Northern Ireland.&lt;p&gt;And so on.&lt;p&gt;History indicates that what you really need in the US right now is some violent, direct action against those committing human rights atrocities. Voting isn&amp;#x27;t going to do shit.</text></item><item><author>sandworm101</author><text>Thats the problem with democracy: the people own the mistakes of those they elect.  Dont like what they do? Vote them out of office.  Arrest them.  Jail them.  If the system fails, fix the system.</text></item><item><author>yodsanklai</author><text>I totally agree. First, many Americans don&amp;#x27;t support these acts, it&amp;#x27;s just beyond their control. And others do support them but either minimize them or believe they are justified for a greater good.&lt;p&gt;And a lot are totally clueless and just have no idea of what&amp;#x27;s going on.&lt;p&gt;There&amp;#x27;s a lot of propaganda, poor education and lack of information in the US. Just watch a presidential debate, it&amp;#x27;s a joke.</text></item><item><author>doublesCs</author><text>&amp;gt; The European Court of Human Rights (ECHR) confirmed nine years after that El Masri was “severely beaten, sodomized, shackled, and hooded, and subjected total sensory deprivation—carried out in the presence of state officials of Macedonia and within its jurisdiction.”&lt;p&gt;&amp;gt; Macedonia’s “government was consequently responsible for those acts performed by foreign officials…Those measures had been used with premeditation, the aim being to cause Mr. Masri severe pain and suffering in order to obtain information,” the ECHR additionally found.&lt;p&gt;&amp;gt; (...)&lt;p&gt;&amp;gt; “The U.S. diplomatic cables revealed the extent of pressure brought upon the German authorities (and in parallel, relevant Spanish authorities) not to act upon the clear evidence of criminal acts by the USA even though by then exposed,” Goetz added.&lt;p&gt;Then some Americans are confused that many in the western world don&amp;#x27;t like American influence. I find it outrageous that these things happen, and I wouldn&amp;#x27;t want my government to consider such a country an ally.</text></item></parent_chain></comment><story><title>Survivor of CIA Torture and Rendition Supports Assange at Extradition Trial</title><url>https://dissenter.substack.com/p/khaled-el-masri-survivor-of-cia-torture</url></story>
<instructions>Your goal is to analyze the following comment and estimate how highly it will be upvoted by the Hacker News community.</instructions><comment><author>pastage</author><text>No! Change is easy to get without violence. It&amp;#x27;s a myth that violence is more effective, ok maybe if you want someones lunch money.</text><parent_chain><item><author>pftf</author><text>Voting doesn&amp;#x27;t work for the most important issues, where human rights are being severely violated.&lt;p&gt;It took a civil war for the end of slavery to begin in the US.&lt;p&gt;It took decades of terrorism for the Irish to stop being as subjugated by the British in Northern Ireland.&lt;p&gt;And so on.&lt;p&gt;History indicates that what you really need in the US right now is some violent, direct action against those committing human rights atrocities. Voting isn&amp;#x27;t going to do shit.</text></item><item><author>sandworm101</author><text>Thats the problem with democracy: the people own the mistakes of those they elect.  Dont like what they do? Vote them out of office.  Arrest them.  Jail them.  If the system fails, fix the system.</text></item><item><author>yodsanklai</author><text>I totally agree. First, many Americans don&amp;#x27;t support these acts, it&amp;#x27;s just beyond their control. And others do support them but either minimize them or believe they are justified for a greater good.&lt;p&gt;And a lot are totally clueless and just have no idea of what&amp;#x27;s going on.&lt;p&gt;There&amp;#x27;s a lot of propaganda, poor education and lack of information in the US. Just watch a presidential debate, it&amp;#x27;s a joke.</text></item><item><author>doublesCs</author><text>&amp;gt; The European Court of Human Rights (ECHR) confirmed nine years after that El Masri was “severely beaten, sodomized, shackled, and hooded, and subjected total sensory deprivation—carried out in the presence of state officials of Macedonia and within its jurisdiction.”&lt;p&gt;&amp;gt; Macedonia’s “government was consequently responsible for those acts performed by foreign officials…Those measures had been used with premeditation, the aim being to cause Mr. Masri severe pain and suffering in order to obtain information,” the ECHR additionally found.&lt;p&gt;&amp;gt; (...)&lt;p&gt;&amp;gt; “The U.S. diplomatic cables revealed the extent of pressure brought upon the German authorities (and in parallel, relevant Spanish authorities) not to act upon the clear evidence of criminal acts by the USA even though by then exposed,” Goetz added.&lt;p&gt;Then some Americans are confused that many in the western world don&amp;#x27;t like American influence. I find it outrageous that these things happen, and I wouldn&amp;#x27;t want my government to consider such a country an ally.</text></item></parent_chain></comment><story><title>Survivor of CIA Torture and Rendition Supports Assange at Extradition Trial</title><url>https://dissenter.substack.com/p/khaled-el-masri-survivor-of-cia-torture</url></story>