<instructions>Your goal is to analyze the following comment and estimate how highly it will be upvoted by the Hacker News community.</instructions><comment><author>bemusedthrow75</author><text>&amp;gt; The Brexit Referendum was no more or less honest than any general election.&lt;p&gt;Sorry&lt;i&gt;, no. It was &lt;/i&gt;profoundly* dishonest.&lt;p&gt;I have a leaflet that was dropped through my door talking about Turkey joining the EU as if it was something imminent and guaranteed (it is neither).&lt;p&gt;It featured a map that prominently suggested this was a gateway to all things nefarious by showing Turkey as a coloured region without a label, surrounded by Iraq and Syria, which were.&lt;p&gt;It&amp;#x27;s the single most dishonest thing I&amp;#x27;ve seen in politics in my life.&lt;p&gt;* I&amp;#x27;m actually not sorry. This claim is ludicrous.</text><parent_chain><item><author>gadders</author><text>You could say that about any election, ever. The Brexit Referendum was no more or less honest than any general election.</text></item><item><author>swores</author><text>Democracy isn&amp;#x27;t a magical word that automatically makes every decision made democratically good, nor does it stop being democracy if people are lied to and tricked into voting against their own interests.</text></item><item><author>FiniteField</author><text>&amp;gt;This whole brexit thing happened by ignoring researchers and listening to whoever spoke louder :)&lt;p&gt;When it goes the way someone wants they call that &amp;quot;democracy&amp;quot; ;)</text></item><item><author>kramerger</author><text>Maybe. This whole brexit thing happened by ignoring researchers and listening to whoever spoke louder :)&lt;p&gt;On the other hand, since brexit happened most international research teams in UK have lost key members to other countries so maybe someone finally took notice.</text></item><item><author>phh</author><text>FWIW, I don&amp;#x27;t have numbers, but Horizon Europe is both a research funding scheme and an industry innovation funding scheme. &lt;a href=&quot;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;research-and-innovation.ec.europa.eu&amp;#x2F;funding&amp;#x2F;funding-opportunities&amp;#x2F;funding-programmes-and-open-calls&amp;#x2F;horizon-europe_en&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow noreferrer&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;research-and-innovation.ec.europa.eu&amp;#x2F;funding&amp;#x2F;funding...&lt;/a&gt; says &amp;quot;This is 70% of the budget earmarked for SMEs.&amp;quot;&lt;p&gt;It has both direct research grants (ERC grants), and funds for big consortium projects, where most of the money goes to big companies, with some money also going to SMEs and researchers (It probably has intermediate funding like direct SME fund, I don&amp;#x27;t really know the full extent).&lt;p&gt;I wouldn&amp;#x27;t be surprised that UK joined Horizon Europe because of industry lobbying rather than research.</text></item></parent_chain></comment><story><title>U.K. rejoins Horizon Europe research funding scheme</title><url>https://www.science.org/content/article/uk-finally-rejoins-horizon-europe-research-funding-scheme</url></story>
<instructions>Your goal is to analyze the following comment and estimate how highly it will be upvoted by the Hacker News community.</instructions><comment><author>mcintyre1994</author><text>I&amp;#x27;d argue that it was less honest on the basis that the Leave side didn&amp;#x27;t have the equivalent of a general election manifesto. Cameron had his negotiated deal and Remain was continuity his government. But Leave didn&amp;#x27;t present any concrete document of what they wanted to happen next if we left, and if they had created such a document the referendum wouldn&amp;#x27;t have given them the power to put their plan into practice. The whole referendum design made it impossible for them to be honest IMO even if they wanted to.&lt;p&gt;The Scottish referendum in 2014 didn&amp;#x27;t have the same problem because the SNP campaigning for independence were in power in Scotland and had negotiated the referendum with the UK government.</text><parent_chain><item><author>gadders</author><text>You could say that about any election, ever. The Brexit Referendum was no more or less honest than any general election.</text></item><item><author>swores</author><text>Democracy isn&amp;#x27;t a magical word that automatically makes every decision made democratically good, nor does it stop being democracy if people are lied to and tricked into voting against their own interests.</text></item><item><author>FiniteField</author><text>&amp;gt;This whole brexit thing happened by ignoring researchers and listening to whoever spoke louder :)&lt;p&gt;When it goes the way someone wants they call that &amp;quot;democracy&amp;quot; ;)</text></item><item><author>kramerger</author><text>Maybe. This whole brexit thing happened by ignoring researchers and listening to whoever spoke louder :)&lt;p&gt;On the other hand, since brexit happened most international research teams in UK have lost key members to other countries so maybe someone finally took notice.</text></item><item><author>phh</author><text>FWIW, I don&amp;#x27;t have numbers, but Horizon Europe is both a research funding scheme and an industry innovation funding scheme. &lt;a href=&quot;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;research-and-innovation.ec.europa.eu&amp;#x2F;funding&amp;#x2F;funding-opportunities&amp;#x2F;funding-programmes-and-open-calls&amp;#x2F;horizon-europe_en&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow noreferrer&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;research-and-innovation.ec.europa.eu&amp;#x2F;funding&amp;#x2F;funding...&lt;/a&gt; says &amp;quot;This is 70% of the budget earmarked for SMEs.&amp;quot;&lt;p&gt;It has both direct research grants (ERC grants), and funds for big consortium projects, where most of the money goes to big companies, with some money also going to SMEs and researchers (It probably has intermediate funding like direct SME fund, I don&amp;#x27;t really know the full extent).&lt;p&gt;I wouldn&amp;#x27;t be surprised that UK joined Horizon Europe because of industry lobbying rather than research.</text></item></parent_chain></comment><story><title>U.K. rejoins Horizon Europe research funding scheme</title><url>https://www.science.org/content/article/uk-finally-rejoins-horizon-europe-research-funding-scheme</url></story>