<instructions>Your goal is to analyze the following comment and estimate how highly it will be upvoted by the Hacker News community.</instructions><comment><author>Keirmot</author><text>Well, Apple is trying a &amp;#x27;do as I say, not as I do&amp;#x27; approach, which isn&amp;#x27;t exactly working.&lt;p&gt;For example I got an Apple Music notification the other day telling me how awesome the new Classic Music App is, or how the new season of whatever show is available in Apple TV+ is just fresh out of the oven.&lt;p&gt;I like their products, and even their services, but in this particular case, they&amp;#x27;re as bad as Uber, just at a different degree (I used to get an Uber Eats notification everyday until I uninstalled the app)</text><parent_chain><item><author>FridgeSeal</author><text>I have an iOS device, so can’t speak for Google, but I suspect that’s what Apple has been _trying_ to do.&lt;p&gt;The problem is that these apps are essentially adversarial in their notifications. If you have a mechanism for “only the most essential notifications”, then they simply mark all their notifications as “essential” (looking at you Uber). Try to limit their notifications using “only is summary” or disabling them and the app will gleefully deny you all notifications, rendering it basically useless. Uber is particular is guilty for this - the app is conspicuously free of meaningful notification controls.</text></item><item><author>donmcronald</author><text>That&amp;#x27;s exactly what I do!&lt;p&gt;Google and Apple could instantly fix the problem (of co-mingling essential and marketing notifications) &lt;i&gt;if they wanted to&lt;/i&gt;.  The current situation is like getting opted in to &amp;quot;street signs &lt;i&gt;and&lt;/i&gt; flashing billboards&amp;quot;.  It&amp;#x27;s stupid.</text></item><item><author>alexanderchr</author><text>It is a breach of trust. I give apps access to my immediate attention so they can notify me of things that need my attention. Not for telling me about their new features or some crappy partner deal.&lt;p&gt;For this reason I have a one strike policy for apps. One marketing notification and permissions are revoked. Missing out on surprisingly little although it has made me stop using some services entirely.</text></item><item><author>soultrees</author><text>I run my phone on DND all day, everyday and block notifications from almost all apps. The amount of garbage we have vying for our attention on an hourly basis is overwhelming sometimes.&lt;p&gt;The worst is the apps where you do want notifications on, like your food delivery apps so you know when your food is at the door, but those companies take that as an invite to send you daily marketing notifications and it all feels like a breach of trust.</text></item></parent_chain></comment><story><title>Teens inundated with phone prompts day and night, research finds</title><url>https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/teens-inundated-phone-prompts-day-night-research-finds-rcna108044</url></story>
<instructions>Your goal is to analyze the following comment and estimate how highly it will be upvoted by the Hacker News community.</instructions><comment><author>ClumsyPilot</author><text>&amp;gt; then they simply mark all their notifications as “essential&amp;quot;&lt;p&gt;That&amp;#x27;s like getting spam mail from your bank. In the physical world this would be illegal</text><parent_chain><item><author>FridgeSeal</author><text>I have an iOS device, so can’t speak for Google, but I suspect that’s what Apple has been _trying_ to do.&lt;p&gt;The problem is that these apps are essentially adversarial in their notifications. If you have a mechanism for “only the most essential notifications”, then they simply mark all their notifications as “essential” (looking at you Uber). Try to limit their notifications using “only is summary” or disabling them and the app will gleefully deny you all notifications, rendering it basically useless. Uber is particular is guilty for this - the app is conspicuously free of meaningful notification controls.</text></item><item><author>donmcronald</author><text>That&amp;#x27;s exactly what I do!&lt;p&gt;Google and Apple could instantly fix the problem (of co-mingling essential and marketing notifications) &lt;i&gt;if they wanted to&lt;/i&gt;.  The current situation is like getting opted in to &amp;quot;street signs &lt;i&gt;and&lt;/i&gt; flashing billboards&amp;quot;.  It&amp;#x27;s stupid.</text></item><item><author>alexanderchr</author><text>It is a breach of trust. I give apps access to my immediate attention so they can notify me of things that need my attention. Not for telling me about their new features or some crappy partner deal.&lt;p&gt;For this reason I have a one strike policy for apps. One marketing notification and permissions are revoked. Missing out on surprisingly little although it has made me stop using some services entirely.</text></item><item><author>soultrees</author><text>I run my phone on DND all day, everyday and block notifications from almost all apps. The amount of garbage we have vying for our attention on an hourly basis is overwhelming sometimes.&lt;p&gt;The worst is the apps where you do want notifications on, like your food delivery apps so you know when your food is at the door, but those companies take that as an invite to send you daily marketing notifications and it all feels like a breach of trust.</text></item></parent_chain></comment><story><title>Teens inundated with phone prompts day and night, research finds</title><url>https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/teens-inundated-phone-prompts-day-night-research-finds-rcna108044</url></story>