<instructions>Your goal is to analyze the following comment and estimate how highly it will be upvoted by the Hacker News community.</instructions><comment><author>kllrnohj</author><text>&amp;gt; When that 5800X cranks up 8 cores, it dramatically slows down the clocks&lt;p&gt;Not that dramatic, it drops from ~4.8ghz to ~4.4ghz: &lt;a href=&quot;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;www.anandtech.com&amp;#x2F;show&amp;#x2F;16214&amp;#x2F;amd-zen-3-ryzen-deep-dive-review-5950x-5900x-5800x-and-5700x-tested&amp;#x2F;8&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;www.anandtech.com&amp;#x2F;show&amp;#x2F;16214&amp;#x2F;amd-zen-3-ryzen-deep-di...&lt;/a&gt;&lt;p&gt;Actual drop varying depending on actual power consumption &amp;amp; temperature as Ryzen is more or less an entirely reactive system.</text><parent_chain><item><author>hajile</author><text>M1 uses TSMC high-density rather than high-performance. They get 40-60% better transistor density and less leakage (power consumption) at the expense of lower clockspeeds.&lt;p&gt;Also, a core is not necessarily just limited by power. There are often other considerations like pipeline length that affect final target clocks.&lt;p&gt;The fact is that at 3.2GHz, the M1 is very close to a 5800X in single-core performance. When that 5800X cranks up 8 cores, it dramatically slows down the clocks. Meanwhile the M1 should keep its max clockspeeds without any issue.&lt;p&gt;We know this because you can keep the 8 core M1 at max clocks for TEN MINUTES on passive cooling in the Macbook air (you can keep max clocks indefinitely if you apply a little thermal pad on the inside of the case).</text></item><item><author>klelatti</author><text>Maybe a little surprised - presumably the thermal limitations on a 16 inch laptop are potentially less limiting  than on a 13 inch one so that single core could be pushed to a higher frequency?</text></item><item><author>bichiliad</author><text>I think this kinda makes sense to me — the M1 Max has the same cores as the M1, just more of them and more of the performant ones, if I understand it right. The fastest work on the fastest core, when only working on a single core, is probably very similar.</text></item><item><author>icosahedron</author><text>I&amp;#x27;m not exactly proficient with GeekBenchery, but what I see here is that the M1 Max per core barely outperforms the M1?&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;browser.geekbench.com&amp;#x2F;v5&amp;#x2F;cpu&amp;#x2F;compare&amp;#x2F;10496766?baseline=10508059&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;browser.geekbench.com&amp;#x2F;v5&amp;#x2F;cpu&amp;#x2F;compare&amp;#x2F;10496766?baseli...&lt;/a&gt;</text></item></parent_chain></comment><story><title>Apple M1 Max Geekbench Score</title><url>https://browser.geekbench.com/v5/cpu/10496766</url></story>
<instructions>Your goal is to analyze the following comment and estimate how highly it will be upvoted by the Hacker News community.</instructions><comment><author>klelatti</author><text>Thanks - some very good points. Presumably this opens the possibility of higher single core performance on a future desktop design unless limited by pipeline length etc?</text><parent_chain><item><author>hajile</author><text>M1 uses TSMC high-density rather than high-performance. They get 40-60% better transistor density and less leakage (power consumption) at the expense of lower clockspeeds.&lt;p&gt;Also, a core is not necessarily just limited by power. There are often other considerations like pipeline length that affect final target clocks.&lt;p&gt;The fact is that at 3.2GHz, the M1 is very close to a 5800X in single-core performance. When that 5800X cranks up 8 cores, it dramatically slows down the clocks. Meanwhile the M1 should keep its max clockspeeds without any issue.&lt;p&gt;We know this because you can keep the 8 core M1 at max clocks for TEN MINUTES on passive cooling in the Macbook air (you can keep max clocks indefinitely if you apply a little thermal pad on the inside of the case).</text></item><item><author>klelatti</author><text>Maybe a little surprised - presumably the thermal limitations on a 16 inch laptop are potentially less limiting  than on a 13 inch one so that single core could be pushed to a higher frequency?</text></item><item><author>bichiliad</author><text>I think this kinda makes sense to me — the M1 Max has the same cores as the M1, just more of them and more of the performant ones, if I understand it right. The fastest work on the fastest core, when only working on a single core, is probably very similar.</text></item><item><author>icosahedron</author><text>I&amp;#x27;m not exactly proficient with GeekBenchery, but what I see here is that the M1 Max per core barely outperforms the M1?&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;browser.geekbench.com&amp;#x2F;v5&amp;#x2F;cpu&amp;#x2F;compare&amp;#x2F;10496766?baseline=10508059&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;browser.geekbench.com&amp;#x2F;v5&amp;#x2F;cpu&amp;#x2F;compare&amp;#x2F;10496766?baseli...&lt;/a&gt;</text></item></parent_chain></comment><story><title>Apple M1 Max Geekbench Score</title><url>https://browser.geekbench.com/v5/cpu/10496766</url></story>