<instructions>Your goal is to analyze the following comment and estimate how highly it will be upvoted by the Hacker News community.</instructions><comment><author>nvarsj</author><text>Took me a while to realize you are actually being serious. Those systems are terrible examples - just look at the state of those countries themselves. That kind of highly standardized, high pressure exam school culture drives all the creativity and joy out of learning. The ones who survive are the calculators who can&amp;#x27;t think for themselves. Great for communist dictatorships, yes.</text><parent_chain><item><author>Barrin92</author><text>no because that&amp;#x27;s the skills of a political and economic oligarchy. If you want to see successful education systems look at the Soviet Union, India, China and also France.&lt;p&gt;A boatload of testing, rigorous learning combined with high formal standards, that&amp;#x27;s to say an actual meritocracy is how you can quite literally churn out geniuses. Chess is a good example.</text></item><item><author>fouc</author><text>I have a strong suspicion that aristocrat homeschooling would still beat out public education system in many ways..&lt;p&gt;For example, public education system doesn&amp;#x27;t particularly touch on social skills, etiquette, rulership&amp;#x2F;leadership, Machiavellianism, business, investing, property management, etc.</text></item><item><author>acenes</author><text>But the reason why so many historical figures were tutored or homeschooled is because there was no adequate public education system. This is confusing correlation for causation. Indeed, Bertrand Russell wrote:&lt;p&gt;&amp;gt; The method of a hereditary leisure class without duties was, however, extraordinarily wasteful. None of the members of the class had been taught to be industrious, and the class as a whole was not exceptionally intelligent. It might produce one Darwin, but against him had to be set tens of thousands of country gentlemen who never thought of anything more intelligent than fox-hunting and punishing poachers.</text></item></parent_chain></comment><story><title>Geniuses of the past were aristocratically tutored</title><url>https://erikhoel.substack.com/p/why-we-stopped-making-einsteins</url></story>
<instructions>Your goal is to analyze the following comment and estimate how highly it will be upvoted by the Hacker News community.</instructions><comment><author>webmaven</author><text>&lt;i&gt;&amp;gt; A boatload of testing, rigorous learning combined with high formal standards, that&amp;#x27;s to say an actual meritocracy is how you can quite literally churn out geniuses. Chess is a good example.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;p&gt;Isn&amp;#x27;t the way chess was taught essentially a system of tutoring? As soon as a &amp;#x27;prodigy&amp;#x27; is identified, they started playing against Grand Masters outside of tournaments.</text><parent_chain><item><author>Barrin92</author><text>no because that&amp;#x27;s the skills of a political and economic oligarchy. If you want to see successful education systems look at the Soviet Union, India, China and also France.&lt;p&gt;A boatload of testing, rigorous learning combined with high formal standards, that&amp;#x27;s to say an actual meritocracy is how you can quite literally churn out geniuses. Chess is a good example.</text></item><item><author>fouc</author><text>I have a strong suspicion that aristocrat homeschooling would still beat out public education system in many ways..&lt;p&gt;For example, public education system doesn&amp;#x27;t particularly touch on social skills, etiquette, rulership&amp;#x2F;leadership, Machiavellianism, business, investing, property management, etc.</text></item><item><author>acenes</author><text>But the reason why so many historical figures were tutored or homeschooled is because there was no adequate public education system. This is confusing correlation for causation. Indeed, Bertrand Russell wrote:&lt;p&gt;&amp;gt; The method of a hereditary leisure class without duties was, however, extraordinarily wasteful. None of the members of the class had been taught to be industrious, and the class as a whole was not exceptionally intelligent. It might produce one Darwin, but against him had to be set tens of thousands of country gentlemen who never thought of anything more intelligent than fox-hunting and punishing poachers.</text></item></parent_chain></comment><story><title>Geniuses of the past were aristocratically tutored</title><url>https://erikhoel.substack.com/p/why-we-stopped-making-einsteins</url></story>