<instructions>Your goal is to analyze the following comment and estimate how highly it will be upvoted by the Hacker News community.</instructions><comment><author>Stranger43</author><text>IT Operations have always been a apprenticeship system where you progress from servicedesk towards manager as your career progresses, and project management, cloud computing, devops etc is operations not development skillsets.&lt;p&gt;An in a lot of ways the current problem is that outsourcing have killed the pipeline from college drop-out to sys-admin by way of the call center. as the call centre have now been outsourced to people far away in companies with no upward career path.&lt;p&gt;The boot camp industry were never about fixing the operations pipeline problem, but to fix the problem of how to turn domain specialist into programmers something it largely failed at by being way to valley and app centric.</text><parent_chain><item><author>aecorredor</author><text>&amp;quot;While coding boot camps had many course listings on JavaScript, Ruby, and web development, they had none that covered product management, wireframing, cloud computing, DevOps, or Agile methodologies&amp;quot;&lt;p&gt;I have a 4 year computer science degree and I didn&amp;#x27;t learn any of the listed topics either, so I&amp;#x27;m not sure if the article is implying that other institutions do prepare new grads for these topics. The main advantage I see from bootcamps is that you basically code intensely for 4 months, learn the most important stuff to be productive (at least in small scale) right away, and then you&amp;#x27;re able to tackle more in depth topics by yourself.</text></item></parent_chain></comment><story><title>Coding Boot Camps Get the Boot: Why the Industry Is Shutting Down</title><url>https://thetechladder.com/story/coding-boot-camps-get-boot-industry-shutting/</url></story>
<instructions>Your goal is to analyze the following comment and estimate how highly it will be upvoted by the Hacker News community.</instructions><comment><author>jzymbaluk</author><text>Really? I graduated this year from a state school with a degree in CS and we covered a lot of this stuff. Software Engineering was a required junior&amp;#x2F;senior level course where we had a semester-long group project where we had to self-organize using Agile methods, and we were grade on our user stories and . I took a senior-level elective course on product management, and we covered cloud and warehouse computing in computer architecture class. We also started using git in our very first programming course, where we had to turn in our code using a central repository.&lt;p&gt;What year did you graduate, out of curiosity?</text><parent_chain><item><author>aecorredor</author><text>&amp;quot;While coding boot camps had many course listings on JavaScript, Ruby, and web development, they had none that covered product management, wireframing, cloud computing, DevOps, or Agile methodologies&amp;quot;&lt;p&gt;I have a 4 year computer science degree and I didn&amp;#x27;t learn any of the listed topics either, so I&amp;#x27;m not sure if the article is implying that other institutions do prepare new grads for these topics. The main advantage I see from bootcamps is that you basically code intensely for 4 months, learn the most important stuff to be productive (at least in small scale) right away, and then you&amp;#x27;re able to tackle more in depth topics by yourself.</text></item></parent_chain></comment><story><title>Coding Boot Camps Get the Boot: Why the Industry Is Shutting Down</title><url>https://thetechladder.com/story/coding-boot-camps-get-boot-industry-shutting/</url></story>