<instructions>Your goal is to analyze the following comment and estimate how highly it will be upvoted by the Hacker News community.</instructions><comment><author>freeopinion</author><text>Netware existed and thrived before NT LAN Manager. NT LAN Manager seemed like the one MS product that couldn&amp;#x27;t make inroads against established competition. It simply wasn&amp;#x27;t as good as Netware.&lt;p&gt;The way I remember it NLMs were pretty stable. Anything on Windows was not stable, userspace or otherwise. Netware&amp;#x27;s TUI was just as good as NT&amp;#x27;s GUI for what it needed to do. It wasn&amp;#x27;t a liability. Netware&amp;#x27;s superior directory service was more important.&lt;p&gt;Netware&amp;#x27;s demise was the transition from IPX to TCIP&amp;#x2F;IP and the explosion of the WWW. And from my perspective it wasn&amp;#x27;t really NT that knocked Netware down. It was Linux and Solaris. Novell kinda saw that coming and tried to figure out a future with SuSE. They just never got the combination of their directory server with Linux right in time. Microsoft stumbled around for some years, but they got their directory services figured out before Novell got their OS story straight in the new world.</text><parent_chain><item><author>flomo</author><text>Yep, Netware ran entirely in Ring 0. In linux terminology it was a kernel with no user space, and NLMs were kernel modules. Very fast for file serving, but any application could crash the system. Stability was largely a result of lots of updates. NT had userspace, protected memory, etc, and a GUI for setting up TCP&amp;#x2F;IP.</text></item><item><author>Angostura</author><text>In addition, from what I vaguely recall, one of the big selling point of NT LAN Manager was the ability to deploy network server applications on the server.&lt;p&gt;Novell responded with Netware Loadable Modules, but they weren’t as versatile and needed specialised knowledge&amp;#x2F;tools.</text></item><item><author>mccrory</author><text>MCNE&amp;#x2F;MCSE here from the mid-90’s, agree it was obvious that Netware would likely fade.  Windows NT 3.51 (even though it wasn’t as good at the time), was more user friendly and had the Windows interface, compatibility, etc etc
However, it NT wasn’t remotely as stable as Netware at that time either. 
Then we got to watch as Novell slowly went insane competing and buying WordPerfect and doing all sorts of other crazy moves.
I still wish that Novell had taken all of its money and bought VMware when they were just working on GSX&amp;#x2F;ESX (now vSphere). This would have changed the trajectory of both Novell and the market.</text></item></parent_chain></comment><story><title>1989 Networking: NetWare 386</title><url>http://www.os2museum.com/wp/1989-networking-netware-386/</url></story>
<instructions>Your goal is to analyze the following comment and estimate how highly it will be upvoted by the Hacker News community.</instructions><comment><author>surfingdino</author><text>&amp;gt; NT had userspace, protected memory, etc, and a GUI for setting up TCP&amp;#x2F;IP.&lt;p&gt;That&amp;#x27;s because Microsoft hired Dave Cutler who previously worked on VMS and knew what he was doing. Microsoft even had their own Unix, but didn&amp;#x27;t know what to do with it.</text><parent_chain><item><author>flomo</author><text>Yep, Netware ran entirely in Ring 0. In linux terminology it was a kernel with no user space, and NLMs were kernel modules. Very fast for file serving, but any application could crash the system. Stability was largely a result of lots of updates. NT had userspace, protected memory, etc, and a GUI for setting up TCP&amp;#x2F;IP.</text></item><item><author>Angostura</author><text>In addition, from what I vaguely recall, one of the big selling point of NT LAN Manager was the ability to deploy network server applications on the server.&lt;p&gt;Novell responded with Netware Loadable Modules, but they weren’t as versatile and needed specialised knowledge&amp;#x2F;tools.</text></item><item><author>mccrory</author><text>MCNE&amp;#x2F;MCSE here from the mid-90’s, agree it was obvious that Netware would likely fade.  Windows NT 3.51 (even though it wasn’t as good at the time), was more user friendly and had the Windows interface, compatibility, etc etc
However, it NT wasn’t remotely as stable as Netware at that time either. 
Then we got to watch as Novell slowly went insane competing and buying WordPerfect and doing all sorts of other crazy moves.
I still wish that Novell had taken all of its money and bought VMware when they were just working on GSX&amp;#x2F;ESX (now vSphere). This would have changed the trajectory of both Novell and the market.</text></item></parent_chain></comment><story><title>1989 Networking: NetWare 386</title><url>http://www.os2museum.com/wp/1989-networking-netware-386/</url></story>