<instructions>Your goal is to analyze the following comment and estimate how highly it will be upvoted by the Hacker News community.</instructions><comment><author>vorador</author><text>&amp;#62; ...generally fostered violence and hostility between groups of people that do the best when they work together to create the best world together.&lt;p&gt;You seem to forget that the nineteenth century was extremely harsh (sorry, I lack a better word) for the working class. There were no regulations on anything - for instance, before a regulation law was passed (around 1860 iirc), flour , could contain things like sweat, cobwebs, and other tasty things.&lt;p&gt;It is also a well known fact that the industrial revolution had an effect on the workers - the average worker lost 20 to 30 cm of height : &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.victorianweb.org/history/workers2.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.victorianweb.org/history/workers2.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;p&gt;Speaking from the 21st century, it seems easy to dismiss Marx as irrelevant. He wasn&apos;t. He just shows from how far we come from.&lt;p&gt;Besides, saying Marx brought the khmers rouges is like saying Nietzsche brought the nazis.&lt;p&gt;(sorry for the faults, by the way, english is not my mother tongue)</text><parent_chain><item><author>lionhearted</author><text>&amp;#62; I think it&apos;s clear that no Communist nation has ever succeeded in being the bastion of democratic, personal freedom that it was ever intended to be.&lt;p&gt;Nuh-uh, no, you can&apos;t give him this sort of pass. He introduced the concept of &quot;class struggle&quot; and &quot;class warfare&quot; that took over so much of modern labor/monetary/commerce/market vocabulary, and specifically said that the transition to socialism/communism will take proletariat violence. The man has inspired as much harm and destruction as any person in history.&lt;p&gt;&lt;i&gt;And he&apos;s not even right&lt;/i&gt; - his labor theory of value is so completely flawed it&apos;s hard to know where to start debunking. He had it in mind that there was a &quot;socially necessary abstract labor-time&quot; of every action - which take a very limited view based on a very limited period in history. Take for instance, Louis Pasteur, who invented pasteurization. How much socially necessary abstract labor-time was that worth? Ten million units of necessary abstract labor-time? How much was creating GMail worth? How much abstract labor time is Picasso&apos;s best work worth, compared to Matisse?&lt;p&gt;Publius Syrius said back in Roman times, &quot;Everything is worth what its purchaser will pay for it.&quot; - and so far, that&apos;s the only model we&apos;ve found that does a decent job of handling contributions without going to totalitarianism. When you start letting third parties dictate value to people who want to buy and sell, you throw the world off equilibrium, you get black markets and create a new class of crime.&lt;p&gt;I&apos;d implore you to please, please, please stop seeing Marx as a misguided would-be hero. Almost every bad person in history thought of themself that way. Marx&apos;s works were both incorrect from an academic standpoint, very emotionally appealing to certain kinds of people, and generally fostered violence and hostility between groups of people that do the best when they work together to create the best world together. Marx was no friend of humanity, and should be remembered as someone who had bad and violent ideas that led to millions of people oppressed and killed as part of the &quot;proletariat revolution to overthrow the bourgeois&quot;. Marx brought this kind of thing:&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khmer_rouge&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khmer_rouge&lt;/a&gt;&lt;p&gt;Please, please get educated and stop whimsically giving him a nod. The man&apos;s philosophies have led to more misery than just about anyone else in history.</text></item><item><author>DannoHung</author><text>I think it&apos;s clear that no Communist nation has ever succeeded in being the bastion of democratic, personal freedom that it was ever intended to be.&lt;p&gt;I actually sort of feel bad for Karl Marx.  I mean, dude just wanted people to live happier lives and not worry about owning stuff so much.  Now he&apos;s forever tied to some of the most oppressive regimes in modern history.&lt;p&gt;Idealism fail.</text></item><item><author>CWuestefeld</author><text>How ironic is that? A country that was supposed to have been founded on (Mao&apos;s interpretation of) Marxist principles, giving power to the people over the capitalist extremes, will now refuse Internet domain to those people; &lt;i&gt;only&lt;/i&gt; businesses, those tools of capitalism, get this privilege.</text></item></parent_chain></comment><story><title>China bans individuals from registering domain names</title><url>http://www.telecompaper.com/news/article.aspx?cid=708864</url></story>
<instructions>Your goal is to analyze the following comment and estimate how highly it will be upvoted by the Hacker News community.</instructions><comment><author>stcredzero</author><text>&lt;i&gt;&amp;#62; I think it&apos;s clear that no Communist nation has ever succeeded in being the bastion of democratic, personal freedom that it was ever intended to be.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;p&gt;Totalitarian states have all kinds of justifications for being.  Most often, it was nationalism and/or religion.  Non religious ideologies like communism are a phenomenon of modern times.  But note that the ideologies are largely incidental.  It&apos;s just a psychological jamming mechanism to fool people into letting the totalitarian structure get into place.</text><parent_chain><item><author>lionhearted</author><text>&amp;#62; I think it&apos;s clear that no Communist nation has ever succeeded in being the bastion of democratic, personal freedom that it was ever intended to be.&lt;p&gt;Nuh-uh, no, you can&apos;t give him this sort of pass. He introduced the concept of &quot;class struggle&quot; and &quot;class warfare&quot; that took over so much of modern labor/monetary/commerce/market vocabulary, and specifically said that the transition to socialism/communism will take proletariat violence. The man has inspired as much harm and destruction as any person in history.&lt;p&gt;&lt;i&gt;And he&apos;s not even right&lt;/i&gt; - his labor theory of value is so completely flawed it&apos;s hard to know where to start debunking. He had it in mind that there was a &quot;socially necessary abstract labor-time&quot; of every action - which take a very limited view based on a very limited period in history. Take for instance, Louis Pasteur, who invented pasteurization. How much socially necessary abstract labor-time was that worth? Ten million units of necessary abstract labor-time? How much was creating GMail worth? How much abstract labor time is Picasso&apos;s best work worth, compared to Matisse?&lt;p&gt;Publius Syrius said back in Roman times, &quot;Everything is worth what its purchaser will pay for it.&quot; - and so far, that&apos;s the only model we&apos;ve found that does a decent job of handling contributions without going to totalitarianism. When you start letting third parties dictate value to people who want to buy and sell, you throw the world off equilibrium, you get black markets and create a new class of crime.&lt;p&gt;I&apos;d implore you to please, please, please stop seeing Marx as a misguided would-be hero. Almost every bad person in history thought of themself that way. Marx&apos;s works were both incorrect from an academic standpoint, very emotionally appealing to certain kinds of people, and generally fostered violence and hostility between groups of people that do the best when they work together to create the best world together. Marx was no friend of humanity, and should be remembered as someone who had bad and violent ideas that led to millions of people oppressed and killed as part of the &quot;proletariat revolution to overthrow the bourgeois&quot;. Marx brought this kind of thing:&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khmer_rouge&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khmer_rouge&lt;/a&gt;&lt;p&gt;Please, please get educated and stop whimsically giving him a nod. The man&apos;s philosophies have led to more misery than just about anyone else in history.</text></item><item><author>DannoHung</author><text>I think it&apos;s clear that no Communist nation has ever succeeded in being the bastion of democratic, personal freedom that it was ever intended to be.&lt;p&gt;I actually sort of feel bad for Karl Marx.  I mean, dude just wanted people to live happier lives and not worry about owning stuff so much.  Now he&apos;s forever tied to some of the most oppressive regimes in modern history.&lt;p&gt;Idealism fail.</text></item><item><author>CWuestefeld</author><text>How ironic is that? A country that was supposed to have been founded on (Mao&apos;s interpretation of) Marxist principles, giving power to the people over the capitalist extremes, will now refuse Internet domain to those people; &lt;i&gt;only&lt;/i&gt; businesses, those tools of capitalism, get this privilege.</text></item></parent_chain></comment><story><title>China bans individuals from registering domain names</title><url>http://www.telecompaper.com/news/article.aspx?cid=708864</url></story>