<instructions>Your goal is to analyze the following comment and estimate how highly it will be upvoted by the Hacker News community.</instructions><comment><author>_____s</author><text>With Glimmer as a standalone library, I think ember&amp;#x27;s going in the right direction. There&amp;#x27;s been some excellent work on Fastboot and Engines in the last year or so and I really like the approach ember&amp;#x27;s team is taking with this.&lt;p&gt;React, for me, still offers better composability. You deal in plain JS objects, pass them around, and can build really complex UIs on top of that. I also really like redux. I still use ember heavily though; I think we&amp;#x27;ll get there as well!</text><parent_chain><item><author>k__</author><text>I used Ember for about 2 years and thought so too.&lt;p&gt;Now I&amp;#x27;m using React and I think it&amp;#x27;s approach is much better.&lt;p&gt;The API is tiny compared to Ember and there aren&amp;#x27;t much concepts, still it accomplishes everything Ember did.&lt;p&gt;I feel bad to say this, but in the modular, library heavy, NPM based JS world of today, React (and other component frameworks like Cyclejs or hyperapp) fits just in. While Ember feels like a anachronism of the big framework days of Rails. :&amp;#x2F;</text></item><item><author>EvilTrout</author><text>As a long time (5 years full time) Ember developer, this is quite interesting to me philosophically.&lt;p&gt;I&amp;#x27;ve spent a lot of time trying to tell people that all the stuff in Ember is there for a reason; for example, you&amp;#x27;re going to need a router, you&amp;#x27;re going to need support for controllers, etc. I still feel strongly that if your app is large and serious you are going to need that stuff.&lt;p&gt;But.&lt;p&gt;A lot of people just want to jump in and start building. React&amp;#x27;s immense popularity has shown the value in creating a view layer framework without all the extra stuff. It&amp;#x27;s great for onboarding new developers since there is less surface area to familiarize yourself with, and you can add in extra stuff (work your way towards full Ember) as you go.&lt;p&gt;It also comes with the added benefit of being able to add small components to a page without running the whole thing as an application, which is a use case Ember was not so great at before.&lt;p&gt;Overall I think it&amp;#x27;s a great announcement.</text></item></parent_chain></comment><story><title>Glimmer – Fast and light-weight UI components</title><url>https://glimmerjs.com/</url></story>
<instructions>Your goal is to analyze the following comment and estimate how highly it will be upvoted by the Hacker News community.</instructions><comment><author>elwayman02</author><text>Why would you want to build a bespoke React-based framework for every app you make? Why not simply have everything you need out of the box, plus the ability to easily integrate any npm library into your app via first-class build tooling that is miles easier to use than something clunky like Webpack?</text><parent_chain><item><author>k__</author><text>I used Ember for about 2 years and thought so too.&lt;p&gt;Now I&amp;#x27;m using React and I think it&amp;#x27;s approach is much better.&lt;p&gt;The API is tiny compared to Ember and there aren&amp;#x27;t much concepts, still it accomplishes everything Ember did.&lt;p&gt;I feel bad to say this, but in the modular, library heavy, NPM based JS world of today, React (and other component frameworks like Cyclejs or hyperapp) fits just in. While Ember feels like a anachronism of the big framework days of Rails. :&amp;#x2F;</text></item><item><author>EvilTrout</author><text>As a long time (5 years full time) Ember developer, this is quite interesting to me philosophically.&lt;p&gt;I&amp;#x27;ve spent a lot of time trying to tell people that all the stuff in Ember is there for a reason; for example, you&amp;#x27;re going to need a router, you&amp;#x27;re going to need support for controllers, etc. I still feel strongly that if your app is large and serious you are going to need that stuff.&lt;p&gt;But.&lt;p&gt;A lot of people just want to jump in and start building. React&amp;#x27;s immense popularity has shown the value in creating a view layer framework without all the extra stuff. It&amp;#x27;s great for onboarding new developers since there is less surface area to familiarize yourself with, and you can add in extra stuff (work your way towards full Ember) as you go.&lt;p&gt;It also comes with the added benefit of being able to add small components to a page without running the whole thing as an application, which is a use case Ember was not so great at before.&lt;p&gt;Overall I think it&amp;#x27;s a great announcement.</text></item></parent_chain></comment><story><title>Glimmer – Fast and light-weight UI components</title><url>https://glimmerjs.com/</url></story>