<instructions>Your goal is to analyze the following comment and estimate how highly it will be upvoted by the Hacker News community.</instructions><comment><author>tylerl</author><text>Following your metaphor, what about email between Bob and Carol which mentions Alice explicitly, using her name and email address? Should Alice be entitled to a copy of that private message between Bob and Carol?&lt;p&gt;Does information become yours if it is &lt;i&gt;about&lt;/i&gt; you, even if you aren&amp;#x27;t a participant in it&amp;#x27;s creation or distribution?&lt;p&gt;It&amp;#x27;s easy to argue that advertising distribution lists are private conversations between FB and advertisers, and hard to argue that they&amp;#x27;re not. Saying I&amp;#x27;m entitled to a copy of that conversation if I&amp;#x27;m mentioned becomes a hard position to take.</text><parent_chain><item><author>mcny</author><text>This is disingenuous.&lt;p&gt;If Alice wrote on Bob&amp;#x27;s wall, it should be a part of both Alice&amp;#x27;s and Bob&amp;#x27;s takeout. Similarly, if I am tagged in a photo, it should be a part of my takeout. Imagine if my email provider (Google Gmail) said you can only takeout the emails in your sent folder.&lt;p&gt;In fact, I&amp;#x27;d argue if Alice has made their contact information (email, phone number, physical address) visible to Bob, it should be a part of Bob&amp;#x27;s takeout. Including Alice&amp;#x27;s location history (provided Alice shared it with Bob) would probably be pushing it a little but only because it becomes difficult to argue for people with whom too many people share data with but anything that Bob is explicitly and manually tagged and is visible to Bob on Facebook in should definitely be a part of Bob&amp;#x27;s download.&lt;p&gt;Facebook can&amp;#x27;t have it both ways: you can&amp;#x27;t make it easy (by default) to share and still use the data as a moat.</text></item><item><author>basch</author><text>This is a semantics argument.  Facebook considers &amp;quot;your data&amp;quot; things you uploaded to Facebook intentionally.&lt;p&gt;They do not consider &amp;quot;things people learned about you by watching you&amp;quot; or &amp;quot;things people said about you&amp;quot; your data, they consider it their (the watchers or speaker) data.&lt;p&gt;It&amp;#x27;s not all that different from how photography laws work in different countries.  If someone takes a picture of you, is it their picture, or your picture?&lt;p&gt;EDIT: Im in agreement this doesn&amp;#x27;t match up with GDPR.  Outside of Europe, facebook can treat &amp;quot;Your Data&amp;quot; differently, and the button can function differently in different places.</text></item></parent_chain></comment><story><title>Facebook&apos;s Download-Your-Data Tool Is Incomplete</title><url>https://privacyinternational.org/long-read/3372/no-facebooks-not-telling-you-everything</url></story>
<instructions>Your goal is to analyze the following comment and estimate how highly it will be upvoted by the Hacker News community.</instructions><comment><author>basch</author><text>&amp;quot;Heres a list of everyone with your phone number in their phone&amp;quot; would be a weird twist on transparency, privacy, and disclosure.</text><parent_chain><item><author>mcny</author><text>This is disingenuous.&lt;p&gt;If Alice wrote on Bob&amp;#x27;s wall, it should be a part of both Alice&amp;#x27;s and Bob&amp;#x27;s takeout. Similarly, if I am tagged in a photo, it should be a part of my takeout. Imagine if my email provider (Google Gmail) said you can only takeout the emails in your sent folder.&lt;p&gt;In fact, I&amp;#x27;d argue if Alice has made their contact information (email, phone number, physical address) visible to Bob, it should be a part of Bob&amp;#x27;s takeout. Including Alice&amp;#x27;s location history (provided Alice shared it with Bob) would probably be pushing it a little but only because it becomes difficult to argue for people with whom too many people share data with but anything that Bob is explicitly and manually tagged and is visible to Bob on Facebook in should definitely be a part of Bob&amp;#x27;s download.&lt;p&gt;Facebook can&amp;#x27;t have it both ways: you can&amp;#x27;t make it easy (by default) to share and still use the data as a moat.</text></item><item><author>basch</author><text>This is a semantics argument.  Facebook considers &amp;quot;your data&amp;quot; things you uploaded to Facebook intentionally.&lt;p&gt;They do not consider &amp;quot;things people learned about you by watching you&amp;quot; or &amp;quot;things people said about you&amp;quot; your data, they consider it their (the watchers or speaker) data.&lt;p&gt;It&amp;#x27;s not all that different from how photography laws work in different countries.  If someone takes a picture of you, is it their picture, or your picture?&lt;p&gt;EDIT: Im in agreement this doesn&amp;#x27;t match up with GDPR.  Outside of Europe, facebook can treat &amp;quot;Your Data&amp;quot; differently, and the button can function differently in different places.</text></item></parent_chain></comment><story><title>Facebook&apos;s Download-Your-Data Tool Is Incomplete</title><url>https://privacyinternational.org/long-read/3372/no-facebooks-not-telling-you-everything</url></story>