<instructions>Your goal is to analyze the following comment and estimate how highly it will be upvoted by the Hacker News community.</instructions><comment><author>tomelders</author><text>I don&apos;t know. I&apos;m not coming down on either side, but I can see the point that this Katz fellow didn&apos;t extend the same courtesy to the poor speaker. An embarrassing taste of their own medicine might do the trick.&lt;p&gt;We can&apos;t be nice to people who aren&apos;t nice all the time.</text><parent_chain><item><author>tmorton</author><text>Wow.  A post about etiquette that calls someone out by name, with an insulting headline?&lt;p&gt;Face-to-face is the right channel for this sort of pointed criticism.  Failing that, email might work.  To pass the lesson along to the larger community, leave the specific names out of it - talk about &quot;a big name in the community&quot; who behaved badly.  People who were there will know who you&apos;re talking about, but it doesn&apos;t become part of the internet paper trail.</text></item></parent_chain></comment><story><title>Why you shouldn&apos;t invite Yehuda Katz to your user group meeting</title><url>http://thewebivore.com/why-you-shouldnt-invite-yehuda-katz-to-your-u</url></story>
<instructions>Your goal is to analyze the following comment and estimate how highly it will be upvoted by the Hacker News community.</instructions><comment><author>shawnc</author><text>I agree with your point about face=to-face or direct communication first.  Barring that not accomplishing anything however, I&apos;m not so sure I agree with the last part anymore.  I used to, fully.  However, after years of watching this &apos;accepted etiquette&apos; go on and on, i&apos;ve realized the ones who&apos;ve done the stupid thing, keep on doing it - with new people none the wiser.&lt;p&gt;Why not call someone out by name?  This person seems that they&apos;d have no problem doing so if it came to that. I&apos;m honestly tired of the wise, polite people keeping their mouths shut because it&apos;s rude, while the rude people never stop being idiots.</text><parent_chain><item><author>tmorton</author><text>Wow.  A post about etiquette that calls someone out by name, with an insulting headline?&lt;p&gt;Face-to-face is the right channel for this sort of pointed criticism.  Failing that, email might work.  To pass the lesson along to the larger community, leave the specific names out of it - talk about &quot;a big name in the community&quot; who behaved badly.  People who were there will know who you&apos;re talking about, but it doesn&apos;t become part of the internet paper trail.</text></item></parent_chain></comment><story><title>Why you shouldn&apos;t invite Yehuda Katz to your user group meeting</title><url>http://thewebivore.com/why-you-shouldnt-invite-yehuda-katz-to-your-u</url></story>