<instructions>Your goal is to analyze the following comment and estimate how highly it will be upvoted by the Hacker News community.</instructions><comment><author>tpmoney</author><text>At what point are people responsible for their own actions or ignorance? Apple hardly makes the battery replacement option a secret, and there are plenty of 3rd party retailers that advertise them too. Anyone who bought a new iPhone because they didn&amp;#x27;t realize they could get the battery replaced has failed to do even the most cursory research into what options are out there for solving their problem. It would be one thing if we were talking the 1st generation iPhone days, when the &amp;quot;battery replacement&amp;quot; option was the usually &amp;quot;out of warranty&amp;quot; device replacement that was effectively Apple&amp;#x27;s entire repair process for the phone at the time. Then your &amp;quot;battery replacement&amp;quot; costs were ~50% of the cost of a new phone, and that definitely gets into the &amp;quot;buy a new phone instead of replacing the battery&amp;quot; territory. But the ~$100 battery replacement option has been around since at least 2010[1], now 14 years later there&amp;#x27;s no excuse for not being aware, or becoming aware when you need it.&lt;p&gt;[1]: &lt;a href=&quot;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;archive.nytimes.com&amp;#x2F;gadgetwise.blogs.nytimes.com&amp;#x2F;2010&amp;#x2F;03&amp;#x2F;12&amp;#x2F;iphone-battery-replacement-diy-or-not&amp;#x2F;&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;archive.nytimes.com&amp;#x2F;gadgetwise.blogs.nytimes.com&amp;#x2F;201...&lt;/a&gt;</text><parent_chain><item><author>user3939382</author><text>Assuming those prices are correct and the procedure is that convenient, it doesn&amp;#x27;t practically exist if most people aren&amp;#x27;t aware of it. From my casual observations most people suffer with bad batteries until buying a new model.</text></item><item><author>arcticbull</author><text>&amp;gt; If the iPhone would have true user-swappable batteries, their business would collapse.&lt;p&gt;Battery replacement costs at Apple are $69-99 and offered all the way back to the iPhone SE 1st Generation. That&amp;#x27;s the all-in cost where you bring it in, they open it up, swap it out, and give your phone back to you.&lt;p&gt;An OEM battery for an Android phone is like $50.&lt;p&gt;Budgeting $69-99 once every 3-4 years hardly seems like it&amp;#x27;s going to nuke their business from orbit.</text></item><item><author>iteratethis</author><text>I&amp;#x27;m conflicted.&lt;p&gt;It&amp;#x27;s absolutely stunning what smartphones can do these days and Apple makes an excellent product. It feels ungrateful and cynical to keep calling new models &amp;quot;boring&amp;quot;.&lt;p&gt;The reality though is that normie needs were accomplished several generations ago. I&amp;#x27;ll use my girlfriend as a sample of such user.&lt;p&gt;She can&amp;#x27;t tell the difference between LCD and OLED nor would she notice Pro-motion.&lt;p&gt;You can add a million features to the camera app but she opens it and presses the shutter. Her only awareness of features is when she accidentally enables one and doesn&amp;#x27;t know how to get back.&lt;p&gt;You could set her back 8 iOS versions and she probably wouldn&amp;#x27;t notice. Because she uses none of the hundreds of features released since. Not because she dislikes them, she doesn&amp;#x27;t know they even exist.&lt;p&gt;All the spectacular advances in computing power are lost on her as this makes zero difference for the Facebook cat video group and Pinterest.&lt;p&gt;You might assume my girlfriend is perhaps lowly educated or just not tech savvy. Wrong, she&amp;#x27;s highly educated, even works in IT, although not in an engineering role. It&amp;#x27;s not that she&amp;#x27;s unable to understand the advances, she simply doesn&amp;#x27;t care.&lt;p&gt;It&amp;#x27;s becoming ever harder to justify new models for normies. Pretty much they buy the new one when the battery of their current one runs bad, typically every 3-4 years.&lt;p&gt;I think this is also why Apple put many Pro features into the regular model. Most people don&amp;#x27;t buy the pro and they&amp;#x27;re desperate for selling points in the regular model.&lt;p&gt;If the iPhone would have true user-swappable batteries, their business would collapse.</text></item></parent_chain></comment><story><title>iPhone 16 Pro and iPhone 16 Pro Max</title><url>https://www.apple.com/newsroom/2024/09/apple-debuts-iphone-16-pro-and-iphone-16-pro-max/</url></story>
<instructions>Your goal is to analyze the following comment and estimate how highly it will be upvoted by the Hacker News community.</instructions><comment><author>dghlsakjg</author><text>What more can they do to let people know?&lt;p&gt;You can google it, go to the website, go to any of their stores or authorized dealers, or click the link the phone gives you in the battery health view.&lt;p&gt;Short of apple beating down your door, what more do you expect</text><parent_chain><item><author>user3939382</author><text>Assuming those prices are correct and the procedure is that convenient, it doesn&amp;#x27;t practically exist if most people aren&amp;#x27;t aware of it. From my casual observations most people suffer with bad batteries until buying a new model.</text></item><item><author>arcticbull</author><text>&amp;gt; If the iPhone would have true user-swappable batteries, their business would collapse.&lt;p&gt;Battery replacement costs at Apple are $69-99 and offered all the way back to the iPhone SE 1st Generation. That&amp;#x27;s the all-in cost where you bring it in, they open it up, swap it out, and give your phone back to you.&lt;p&gt;An OEM battery for an Android phone is like $50.&lt;p&gt;Budgeting $69-99 once every 3-4 years hardly seems like it&amp;#x27;s going to nuke their business from orbit.</text></item><item><author>iteratethis</author><text>I&amp;#x27;m conflicted.&lt;p&gt;It&amp;#x27;s absolutely stunning what smartphones can do these days and Apple makes an excellent product. It feels ungrateful and cynical to keep calling new models &amp;quot;boring&amp;quot;.&lt;p&gt;The reality though is that normie needs were accomplished several generations ago. I&amp;#x27;ll use my girlfriend as a sample of such user.&lt;p&gt;She can&amp;#x27;t tell the difference between LCD and OLED nor would she notice Pro-motion.&lt;p&gt;You can add a million features to the camera app but she opens it and presses the shutter. Her only awareness of features is when she accidentally enables one and doesn&amp;#x27;t know how to get back.&lt;p&gt;You could set her back 8 iOS versions and she probably wouldn&amp;#x27;t notice. Because she uses none of the hundreds of features released since. Not because she dislikes them, she doesn&amp;#x27;t know they even exist.&lt;p&gt;All the spectacular advances in computing power are lost on her as this makes zero difference for the Facebook cat video group and Pinterest.&lt;p&gt;You might assume my girlfriend is perhaps lowly educated or just not tech savvy. Wrong, she&amp;#x27;s highly educated, even works in IT, although not in an engineering role. It&amp;#x27;s not that she&amp;#x27;s unable to understand the advances, she simply doesn&amp;#x27;t care.&lt;p&gt;It&amp;#x27;s becoming ever harder to justify new models for normies. Pretty much they buy the new one when the battery of their current one runs bad, typically every 3-4 years.&lt;p&gt;I think this is also why Apple put many Pro features into the regular model. Most people don&amp;#x27;t buy the pro and they&amp;#x27;re desperate for selling points in the regular model.&lt;p&gt;If the iPhone would have true user-swappable batteries, their business would collapse.</text></item></parent_chain></comment><story><title>iPhone 16 Pro and iPhone 16 Pro Max</title><url>https://www.apple.com/newsroom/2024/09/apple-debuts-iphone-16-pro-and-iphone-16-pro-max/</url></story>