<instructions>Your goal is to analyze the following comment and estimate how highly it will be upvoted by the Hacker News community.</instructions><comment><author>freshhawk</author><text>I&amp;#x27;m not seeing any &amp;quot;generosity&amp;quot; on Google&amp;#x27;s part, at least from the examples you provided.&lt;p&gt;You certainly seem like a smart guy, working on some cool stuff, so I&amp;#x27;m not surprised people are a bit confused (hence the term &amp;quot;brainwashed&amp;quot;) by your (pretending to?) not understand the business model of the company you work for.&lt;p&gt;You are giving your time away, for free, to a for profit corporation. That&amp;#x27;s so irrational it&amp;#x27;s painful to hear.&lt;p&gt;If you like working with google systems and resources so much that you are willing to &lt;i&gt;pay your employer to use them&lt;/i&gt; then ok, that&amp;#x27;s a bit weird, but it&amp;#x27;s your time. If you feel you need to work 120% time to keep your career on track then ok, that&amp;#x27;s not uncommon in this industry (but it&amp;#x27;s the opposite of generosity and it&amp;#x27;s not sustainable for you).&lt;p&gt;Framing this as repaying Google for &amp;quot;their extreme generosity&amp;quot; is delusional, which is why I&amp;#x27;m assuming it&amp;#x27;s not the real reason.</text><parent_chain><item><author>dekhn</author><text>Why would I give my time for free to Google?&lt;p&gt;Because my entire career- well before I started working here- has been dependent on things that Google has given to me for free.&lt;p&gt;Like Google Search.  Search helped me learn to run linux clusters effectively (it was far better than AltaVista for searching for specific error messages) which ensured I had a job, even in the dotcom busts.  It helped me learn python, which also played a huge role in my future employment.&lt;p&gt;Like Gmail.  Although I&amp;#x27;ve run my own highly available mail services in the past, free Gmail with its initial large quotas hooked me early on.  I have never regretted handing the responsibility for email over to Gmail.&lt;p&gt;Like Exacycle (my project): &lt;a href=&quot;http://googleresearch.blogspot.com/2012/12/millions-of-core-hours-awarded-to.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;googleresearch.blogspot.com&amp;#x2F;2012&amp;#x2F;12&amp;#x2F;millions-of-core-...&lt;/a&gt;
in which Google donated 1B CPU hours to 5 visiting faculty (who got to keep the intellectual property they generated).&lt;p&gt;I would like to repay Google for their extreme generosity.  Spending my &amp;quot;Free&amp;quot; time doing things I enjoy (building large, complex distributed computing systems that manage insane amounts of resources) so that Google can make products that it profits from seems perfectly reasonable to me.&lt;p&gt;If I had continued to work in academia, I&amp;#x27;d spend most of my time applying for grants, writing papers, and working 150% time just to maintain basic status and get tenure.  Anybody working in the highly competitive sciences, or in the tech industry, who wants to be successful, has to put in more than what most people consider a 9-5 job.&lt;p&gt;As for open sourcing: Google has a nice program to ensure that Googlers can write open source code.  I haven&amp;#x27;t taken advantage of it, because most of my codes are internally facing and don&amp;#x27;t need to be open sourced.  But I would certainly consider using my time to do that; I just think my time is best spent working on Google products because I believe their impact will be much higher.</text></item><item><author>driverdan</author><text>&amp;gt; Calling 20% time 120% time is fair. Realistically it&amp;#x27;s hard to do your day job productively and also build a new project from scratch. You have to be willing to put in hours outside of your normal job to be successful.&lt;p&gt;Then it&amp;#x27;s not 20% time, it&amp;#x27;s personal time you&amp;#x27;re giving to your employer for free. Why would you do that? Why not build your projects outside of Google and keep them for yourself (assuming it&amp;#x27;s a product and not open source)?</text></item><item><author>dekhn</author><text>I am a Googler.  I will only speak to my personal experience, and the experience of people around me: 20% time still exists, and is encouraged as a mechanism to explore exciting new ideas without the complexity and cost of a real product.&lt;p&gt;My last three years were spent turning my 20% project into a product, and my job now is spent turning another 20% project into a product.  There was never any management pressure from any of my managers to not work on 20% projects; my performance reviews were consistent with a productive Googler.&lt;p&gt;Calling 20% time 120% time is fair.  Realistically it&amp;#x27;s hard to do your day job productively and also build a new project from scratch.  You have to be willing to put in hours outside of your normal job to be successful.&lt;p&gt;What 20% time really means is that you- as a Google eng- have access to, and can use, Google&amp;#x27;s compute infrastructure to experiment and build new systems.  The infrastructure, and the associated software tools, can be leveraged in 20% time to make an eng far more productive than they normally would be.  Certainly I, and many other Googlers, are simply super-motivated and willing to use our free time to work on projects that use our infrstructure because we&amp;#x27;re intrinsically interested in using these things to make new products.</text></item></parent_chain></comment><story><title>Google’s “20% time,” which brought you Gmail and AdSense, is now as good as dead</title><url>http://qz.com/115831/googles-20-time-which-brought-you-gmail-and-adsense-is-now-as-good-as-dead/</url></story>
<instructions>Your goal is to analyze the following comment and estimate how highly it will be upvoted by the Hacker News community.</instructions><comment><author>eyeareque</author><text>Google doesn&amp;#x27;t give you anything for free; you give them data that allows them to sell directed marketing to you. I don&amp;#x27;t have a problem with that as for me it&amp;#x27;s a fair trade. But I wouldn&amp;#x27;t call what they offer as &amp;quot;free&amp;quot;.</text><parent_chain><item><author>dekhn</author><text>Why would I give my time for free to Google?&lt;p&gt;Because my entire career- well before I started working here- has been dependent on things that Google has given to me for free.&lt;p&gt;Like Google Search.  Search helped me learn to run linux clusters effectively (it was far better than AltaVista for searching for specific error messages) which ensured I had a job, even in the dotcom busts.  It helped me learn python, which also played a huge role in my future employment.&lt;p&gt;Like Gmail.  Although I&amp;#x27;ve run my own highly available mail services in the past, free Gmail with its initial large quotas hooked me early on.  I have never regretted handing the responsibility for email over to Gmail.&lt;p&gt;Like Exacycle (my project): &lt;a href=&quot;http://googleresearch.blogspot.com/2012/12/millions-of-core-hours-awarded-to.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;googleresearch.blogspot.com&amp;#x2F;2012&amp;#x2F;12&amp;#x2F;millions-of-core-...&lt;/a&gt;
in which Google donated 1B CPU hours to 5 visiting faculty (who got to keep the intellectual property they generated).&lt;p&gt;I would like to repay Google for their extreme generosity.  Spending my &amp;quot;Free&amp;quot; time doing things I enjoy (building large, complex distributed computing systems that manage insane amounts of resources) so that Google can make products that it profits from seems perfectly reasonable to me.&lt;p&gt;If I had continued to work in academia, I&amp;#x27;d spend most of my time applying for grants, writing papers, and working 150% time just to maintain basic status and get tenure.  Anybody working in the highly competitive sciences, or in the tech industry, who wants to be successful, has to put in more than what most people consider a 9-5 job.&lt;p&gt;As for open sourcing: Google has a nice program to ensure that Googlers can write open source code.  I haven&amp;#x27;t taken advantage of it, because most of my codes are internally facing and don&amp;#x27;t need to be open sourced.  But I would certainly consider using my time to do that; I just think my time is best spent working on Google products because I believe their impact will be much higher.</text></item><item><author>driverdan</author><text>&amp;gt; Calling 20% time 120% time is fair. Realistically it&amp;#x27;s hard to do your day job productively and also build a new project from scratch. You have to be willing to put in hours outside of your normal job to be successful.&lt;p&gt;Then it&amp;#x27;s not 20% time, it&amp;#x27;s personal time you&amp;#x27;re giving to your employer for free. Why would you do that? Why not build your projects outside of Google and keep them for yourself (assuming it&amp;#x27;s a product and not open source)?</text></item><item><author>dekhn</author><text>I am a Googler.  I will only speak to my personal experience, and the experience of people around me: 20% time still exists, and is encouraged as a mechanism to explore exciting new ideas without the complexity and cost of a real product.&lt;p&gt;My last three years were spent turning my 20% project into a product, and my job now is spent turning another 20% project into a product.  There was never any management pressure from any of my managers to not work on 20% projects; my performance reviews were consistent with a productive Googler.&lt;p&gt;Calling 20% time 120% time is fair.  Realistically it&amp;#x27;s hard to do your day job productively and also build a new project from scratch.  You have to be willing to put in hours outside of your normal job to be successful.&lt;p&gt;What 20% time really means is that you- as a Google eng- have access to, and can use, Google&amp;#x27;s compute infrastructure to experiment and build new systems.  The infrastructure, and the associated software tools, can be leveraged in 20% time to make an eng far more productive than they normally would be.  Certainly I, and many other Googlers, are simply super-motivated and willing to use our free time to work on projects that use our infrstructure because we&amp;#x27;re intrinsically interested in using these things to make new products.</text></item></parent_chain></comment><story><title>Google’s “20% time,” which brought you Gmail and AdSense, is now as good as dead</title><url>http://qz.com/115831/googles-20-time-which-brought-you-gmail-and-adsense-is-now-as-good-as-dead/</url></story>