<instructions>Your goal is to analyze the following comment and estimate how highly it will be upvoted by the Hacker News community.</instructions><comment><author>dekhn</author><text>There are many situations where people assign causality when there is no true evidence or mechanism.  One of the best examples are cancer clusters.  There have been examples of well-understood (almost certainly causal) cancers caused by industrial occupation, but cancer is common enough that some things that look causal are purely coincidental.  For example, &lt;a href=&quot;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&amp;#x2F;wiki&amp;#x2F;Radium_Girls&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&amp;#x2F;wiki&amp;#x2F;Radium_Girls&lt;/a&gt; was almost certainly causal, while &amp;quot;high voltage electrical lines cause cancer&amp;quot; probably is not (&lt;a href=&quot;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;www.nytimes.com&amp;#x2F;2014&amp;#x2F;12&amp;#x2F;01&amp;#x2F;health&amp;#x2F;long-after-an-80s-scare-suspicion-of-power-lines-prevails.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;www.nytimes.com&amp;#x2F;2014&amp;#x2F;12&amp;#x2F;01&amp;#x2F;health&amp;#x2F;long-after-an-80s-...&lt;/a&gt;)&lt;p&gt;So no, it doesn&amp;#x27;t counter the hypochondria theory.</text><parent_chain><item><author>lurking_swe</author><text>I&amp;#x27;m still looking into this and forming my opinion. It&amp;#x27;s very curious how at the end of her YouTube video she mentions other residents in her building came forward and said they too were sick (numerous ER visits over 2 years), and they DIDN&amp;#x27;T KNOW WHY, until they saw her expose in the newspaper. That seems to counter your hypochondria theory, no?&lt;p&gt;see: &lt;a href=&quot;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;youtu.be&amp;#x2F;pGK4_sR1CvY?si=KEK9xh0mUEStV76-&amp;amp;t=2680&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;youtu.be&amp;#x2F;pGK4_sR1CvY?si=KEK9xh0mUEStV76-&amp;amp;t=2680&lt;/a&gt;</text></item><item><author>murderfs</author><text>The author of this has been on a crusade against Apple for years, stemming from an incident that was probably hypochondria. They&amp;#x27;ve outright lied about multiple incidents (see &lt;a href=&quot;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;twitter.com&amp;#x2F;shantinix&amp;#x2F;status&amp;#x2F;1433297575914971136&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;twitter.com&amp;#x2F;shantinix&amp;#x2F;status&amp;#x2F;1433297575914971136&lt;/a&gt;), and I would very strongly doubt any new claims made. For example, a spot check of one of the claims has them currently saying &amp;quot;Still, Gjovik’s limited testing returned results showing a number of the chemicals in use by Apple at ARIA including Acetone, Acetonitrile, Acetaldehyde, Benzene, 1,2-Dichloroethane, Ethanol, Ethylbenzene, Hexane, Isopropanol, Isopropyl toluene, Methylene Chloride, Toluene, and Xylene.&amp;quot;&lt;p&gt;But, in 2021 (at &lt;a href=&quot;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;sfbayview.com&amp;#x2F;2021&amp;#x2F;03&amp;#x2F;i-thought-i-was-dying-my-apartment-was-built-on-toxic-waste&amp;#x2F;&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;sfbayview.com&amp;#x2F;2021&amp;#x2F;03&amp;#x2F;i-thought-i-was-dying-my-apart...&lt;/a&gt;), &amp;quot;I wanted to get some formal data in the brief time before I moved out, so I hired an industrial hygienist to sample the indoor air and some of the topsoil. Despite the $1,555 I had to pay for it, the results were inconclusive.&amp;quot;</text></item></parent_chain></comment><story><title>US EPA Enforcement and Compliance on Apple Fabrication</title><url>https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fo/312oqvretg7yyhfx0ohx4/AGZduVXs0_1geqIyi0NA9nE?e=1&amp;preview=2024_04_30_RCRA_Insp_Report_REPORT_Apple_3250_Scott_Redacted.pdf&amp;rlkey=3aa2tw15ek3trqlbdh7pw9erh&amp;st=4b364mkx&amp;dl=0</url></story>
<instructions>Your goal is to analyze the following comment and estimate how highly it will be upvoted by the Hacker News community.</instructions><comment><author>42lux</author><text>You can’t really use a questionable source to verify the same source.</text><parent_chain><item><author>lurking_swe</author><text>I&amp;#x27;m still looking into this and forming my opinion. It&amp;#x27;s very curious how at the end of her YouTube video she mentions other residents in her building came forward and said they too were sick (numerous ER visits over 2 years), and they DIDN&amp;#x27;T KNOW WHY, until they saw her expose in the newspaper. That seems to counter your hypochondria theory, no?&lt;p&gt;see: &lt;a href=&quot;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;youtu.be&amp;#x2F;pGK4_sR1CvY?si=KEK9xh0mUEStV76-&amp;amp;t=2680&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;youtu.be&amp;#x2F;pGK4_sR1CvY?si=KEK9xh0mUEStV76-&amp;amp;t=2680&lt;/a&gt;</text></item><item><author>murderfs</author><text>The author of this has been on a crusade against Apple for years, stemming from an incident that was probably hypochondria. They&amp;#x27;ve outright lied about multiple incidents (see &lt;a href=&quot;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;twitter.com&amp;#x2F;shantinix&amp;#x2F;status&amp;#x2F;1433297575914971136&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;twitter.com&amp;#x2F;shantinix&amp;#x2F;status&amp;#x2F;1433297575914971136&lt;/a&gt;), and I would very strongly doubt any new claims made. For example, a spot check of one of the claims has them currently saying &amp;quot;Still, Gjovik’s limited testing returned results showing a number of the chemicals in use by Apple at ARIA including Acetone, Acetonitrile, Acetaldehyde, Benzene, 1,2-Dichloroethane, Ethanol, Ethylbenzene, Hexane, Isopropanol, Isopropyl toluene, Methylene Chloride, Toluene, and Xylene.&amp;quot;&lt;p&gt;But, in 2021 (at &lt;a href=&quot;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;sfbayview.com&amp;#x2F;2021&amp;#x2F;03&amp;#x2F;i-thought-i-was-dying-my-apartment-was-built-on-toxic-waste&amp;#x2F;&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;sfbayview.com&amp;#x2F;2021&amp;#x2F;03&amp;#x2F;i-thought-i-was-dying-my-apart...&lt;/a&gt;), &amp;quot;I wanted to get some formal data in the brief time before I moved out, so I hired an industrial hygienist to sample the indoor air and some of the topsoil. Despite the $1,555 I had to pay for it, the results were inconclusive.&amp;quot;</text></item></parent_chain></comment><story><title>US EPA Enforcement and Compliance on Apple Fabrication</title><url>https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fo/312oqvretg7yyhfx0ohx4/AGZduVXs0_1geqIyi0NA9nE?e=1&amp;preview=2024_04_30_RCRA_Insp_Report_REPORT_Apple_3250_Scott_Redacted.pdf&amp;rlkey=3aa2tw15ek3trqlbdh7pw9erh&amp;st=4b364mkx&amp;dl=0</url></story>