<instructions>Your goal is to analyze the following comment and estimate how highly it will be upvoted by the Hacker News community.</instructions><comment><author>LordDragonfang</author><text>Well, considering America&amp;#x27;s recent military endeavors have done the opposite, you have to wonder how many times you can hear that until you conclude it was always a bald-faced lie to mask our economic interests.&lt;p&gt;Dropping bombs on a country rarely makes it less prone to conflict unless you intend to occupy it, it just gives more recruiting material to the &amp;quot;violent&amp;quot; radicals.</text><parent_chain><item><author>imajoredinecon</author><text>&amp;gt; useless goal&lt;p&gt;Is bringing peace, civil rights, and good governance to a corrupt, poor, and violent country useless? (Obviously, we ended up failing in large part.)</text></item><item><author>manquer</author><text>You are always a cog in the wheel, in a miltary the boss in addition making money can also kill you for a useless goal, the $2 trillion and thousands killed and injured over 20 years in afganistan is a recent example .&lt;p&gt;Being motivated about a job whether miltary &amp;#x2F;civilian should be about what you can do not if its corrupt &amp;#x2F;inefficient &amp;#x2F;incompetent almost any large institutuion usually is</text></item><item><author>petra</author><text>I served in the Israeli military, like every 18 year old male.&lt;p&gt;In ours, there are many places where people don&amp;#x27;t care.&lt;p&gt;A lot depends on the role one plays. some are very meaningful. In some you carry a direct and deep responsibility(for your team mates lives, for the people you protect). In some places, you&amp;#x27;ll get punished severely if you make a mistake, So you really try not to. So you try to do a good job.&lt;p&gt;In others ? Not so much. So you do the bare minimum and skate by. Many people are like that. It&amp;#x27;s a general &amp;quot;recommendation&amp;quot; for the new soldier.&lt;p&gt;Now compare that to civilian life - in most jobs you&amp;#x27;re just a cog, you get paid the minimum your employer can manage, and most of the benefit of doing a better job is making the boss richer. So why give a fuck ?</text></item><item><author>ok_dad</author><text>It&amp;#x27;s really hard to work with people who don&amp;#x27;t put effort into their work after being in the military around people who put so much effort into getting things right. I&amp;#x27;m not saying time equal effort, either, I&amp;#x27;m a clock watcher at work, but at least when I&amp;#x27;m working I focus on the goal at hand and I actually try to think about the problems I&amp;#x27;ll face after I finish some task, so that I&amp;#x27;ll do it more robustly. The military doesn&amp;#x27;t have a monopoly on this, I&amp;#x27;ve met several great people who have never served, and there are many ways in which the military sucks (don&amp;#x27;t get me started). However, it&amp;#x27;s pretty unrivaled when it comes to people who try hard and perfect their craft, imo.</text></item><item><author>tbihl</author><text>I have a lot of ex-military friends who go work for Amazon, and it&amp;#x27;s not hard to see why after reading this article. Moonshot ideas are exciting, but untangling the nationwide chokehold of shipping failures would be such a tangible, rewarding project to work on.</text></item></parent_chain></comment><story><title>Amazon is bypassing supply chain chaos with chartered ships and long-haul planes</title><url>https://www.cnbc.com/2021/12/04/how-amazon-beats-supply-chain-chaos-with-ships-and-long-haul-planes.html</url></story>
<instructions>Your goal is to analyze the following comment and estimate how highly it will be upvoted by the Hacker News community.</instructions><comment><author>kilroywashere</author><text>the ghani administration was nothing more than an american imperialist puppet government, forcing american &amp;quot;ideals&amp;quot; (see: consumerism and globalism) on a people who want nothing to do with it.&lt;p&gt;“God has promised us victory, and Bush has promised us defeat. We’ll see which promise is more truthful,”&lt;p&gt;- Mullah Omar.</text><parent_chain><item><author>imajoredinecon</author><text>&amp;gt; useless goal&lt;p&gt;Is bringing peace, civil rights, and good governance to a corrupt, poor, and violent country useless? (Obviously, we ended up failing in large part.)</text></item><item><author>manquer</author><text>You are always a cog in the wheel, in a miltary the boss in addition making money can also kill you for a useless goal, the $2 trillion and thousands killed and injured over 20 years in afganistan is a recent example .&lt;p&gt;Being motivated about a job whether miltary &amp;#x2F;civilian should be about what you can do not if its corrupt &amp;#x2F;inefficient &amp;#x2F;incompetent almost any large institutuion usually is</text></item><item><author>petra</author><text>I served in the Israeli military, like every 18 year old male.&lt;p&gt;In ours, there are many places where people don&amp;#x27;t care.&lt;p&gt;A lot depends on the role one plays. some are very meaningful. In some you carry a direct and deep responsibility(for your team mates lives, for the people you protect). In some places, you&amp;#x27;ll get punished severely if you make a mistake, So you really try not to. So you try to do a good job.&lt;p&gt;In others ? Not so much. So you do the bare minimum and skate by. Many people are like that. It&amp;#x27;s a general &amp;quot;recommendation&amp;quot; for the new soldier.&lt;p&gt;Now compare that to civilian life - in most jobs you&amp;#x27;re just a cog, you get paid the minimum your employer can manage, and most of the benefit of doing a better job is making the boss richer. So why give a fuck ?</text></item><item><author>ok_dad</author><text>It&amp;#x27;s really hard to work with people who don&amp;#x27;t put effort into their work after being in the military around people who put so much effort into getting things right. I&amp;#x27;m not saying time equal effort, either, I&amp;#x27;m a clock watcher at work, but at least when I&amp;#x27;m working I focus on the goal at hand and I actually try to think about the problems I&amp;#x27;ll face after I finish some task, so that I&amp;#x27;ll do it more robustly. The military doesn&amp;#x27;t have a monopoly on this, I&amp;#x27;ve met several great people who have never served, and there are many ways in which the military sucks (don&amp;#x27;t get me started). However, it&amp;#x27;s pretty unrivaled when it comes to people who try hard and perfect their craft, imo.</text></item><item><author>tbihl</author><text>I have a lot of ex-military friends who go work for Amazon, and it&amp;#x27;s not hard to see why after reading this article. Moonshot ideas are exciting, but untangling the nationwide chokehold of shipping failures would be such a tangible, rewarding project to work on.</text></item></parent_chain></comment><story><title>Amazon is bypassing supply chain chaos with chartered ships and long-haul planes</title><url>https://www.cnbc.com/2021/12/04/how-amazon-beats-supply-chain-chaos-with-ships-and-long-haul-planes.html</url></story>