<instructions>Your goal is to analyze the following comment and estimate how highly it will be upvoted by the Hacker News community.</instructions><comment><author>bombcar</author><text>Even if the provider is stupid AF you can usually get around the residential restriction by &lt;i&gt;starting&lt;/i&gt; the discussion with the business side of the company; once the salesman has a nibble he&amp;#x27;s not gonna cut you free if he can help it.&lt;p&gt;And then get a 2 year term on whatever seems a &amp;quot;good deal&amp;quot; at the time (I had cable speeds and 5 IPs) and once that is up call them and &amp;quot;drop down&amp;quot; to whatever you actually &lt;i&gt;need&lt;/i&gt; (cable speeds and 1 IP) - you&amp;#x27;ll find that at that point there will be various &amp;quot;packages&amp;quot; that were never advertised but the system is quite capable of supporting.&lt;p&gt;If all else fails, find a company that works with the provider and offers service over their &amp;quot;last mile&amp;quot;.&lt;p&gt;You&amp;#x27;ll pay for all the above, but not as much as you might think, and business support is &lt;i&gt;actually good&lt;/i&gt; in many, many cases. Fabled evil Comcast rolled a truck twice until they tracked down a problem, at no charge.</text><parent_chain><item><author>kmeisthax</author><text>The opt-out is buy business-class service[0].&lt;p&gt;My guess is that the 2x price increase Xs4all was charging for their plan was a bridge too far for most customers. It&amp;#x27;s important to keep in mind that the vast majority of people rent their modem, don&amp;#x27;t know or care what a &amp;#x2F;29 is, and is calling tech support because the plug is loose or the modem needs a power cycle. Bulk-blocking SMTP happened because open ports are botnet ports, and the average customer does not know how to identify and shut down zombies on their network.&lt;p&gt;[0] Assuming your provider isn&amp;#x27;t stupidly committed to &amp;quot;you can&amp;#x27;t have business class because you&amp;#x27;re in a residential area, WFH doesn&amp;#x27;t exist, and the zoning code is gospel, all hail Robert Moses&amp;quot;</text></item><item><author>nousermane</author><text>Ah, yes. The classic &amp;quot;all our customers are morons&amp;quot; approach, with no opt-out for those 0.1% who, in fact, are not. Very typical among ISPs&amp;#x2F;Telcos.&lt;p&gt;Where I am, we used to have a different, &amp;quot;nerdy&amp;quot; ISP [0], where customer was allowed to bring their own modem; they also provided real IPv4&amp;#x2F;v6 dual-stack since forever, easy to request a &amp;#x2F;29, tech-support that&amp;#x27;s realistic to reach, and staffed with people who know what they are talking about, no bulk-firewalling port-25, etc... All for a modest 2x price increase over market average. Alas, they&amp;#x27;re out of business now.&lt;p&gt;[0] &lt;a href=&quot;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&amp;#x2F;wiki&amp;#x2F;Xs4all&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&amp;#x2F;wiki&amp;#x2F;Xs4all&lt;/a&gt;</text></item><item><author>_wldu</author><text>They are probably trying to reduce SIP abuse. It&amp;#x27;s a big problem.</text></item></parent_chain></comment><story><title>Tell HN: Spectrum is blocking TCP/UDP 5060 at my home</title><text>For several years, I&amp;#x27;ve run 3 VOIP phones from my house.  About a week ago they stopped working.  SIP REGISTER started failing.&lt;p&gt;Turns out Spectrum now blocks TCP&amp;#x2F;UDP port 5060.  My workaround is to use a VPN.  After that, everything is fine.&lt;p&gt;This reddit thread https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;www.reddit.com&amp;#x2F;r&amp;#x2F;networking&amp;#x2F;comments&amp;#x2F;t8nulq&amp;#x2F;spectrum_is_rate_limiting_voipsip_traffic_port&amp;#x2F; suggests Spectrum was rate limiting 5060 on 300mbps plans, but not on the 100mbps plans.&lt;p&gt;I have the 100mbps plan, and it is definitely affected now.&lt;p&gt;So if you are in SoCal, using Spectrum, and your VOIP phones suddenly stopped working in the last week or so, maybe this will help you.</text></story>
<instructions>Your goal is to analyze the following comment and estimate how highly it will be upvoted by the Hacker News community.</instructions><comment><author>bitwize</author><text>I &lt;i&gt;still&lt;/i&gt; get emails from Comcrap because once I had a business internet plan with them in a residential area -- an apartment no less.&lt;p&gt;When it comes to internet service, &amp;quot;giving a crap about the customer&amp;quot; is a premium add-on from Comcast, but once you commit to opening your wallet for that, they do deliver.</text><parent_chain><item><author>kmeisthax</author><text>The opt-out is buy business-class service[0].&lt;p&gt;My guess is that the 2x price increase Xs4all was charging for their plan was a bridge too far for most customers. It&amp;#x27;s important to keep in mind that the vast majority of people rent their modem, don&amp;#x27;t know or care what a &amp;#x2F;29 is, and is calling tech support because the plug is loose or the modem needs a power cycle. Bulk-blocking SMTP happened because open ports are botnet ports, and the average customer does not know how to identify and shut down zombies on their network.&lt;p&gt;[0] Assuming your provider isn&amp;#x27;t stupidly committed to &amp;quot;you can&amp;#x27;t have business class because you&amp;#x27;re in a residential area, WFH doesn&amp;#x27;t exist, and the zoning code is gospel, all hail Robert Moses&amp;quot;</text></item><item><author>nousermane</author><text>Ah, yes. The classic &amp;quot;all our customers are morons&amp;quot; approach, with no opt-out for those 0.1% who, in fact, are not. Very typical among ISPs&amp;#x2F;Telcos.&lt;p&gt;Where I am, we used to have a different, &amp;quot;nerdy&amp;quot; ISP [0], where customer was allowed to bring their own modem; they also provided real IPv4&amp;#x2F;v6 dual-stack since forever, easy to request a &amp;#x2F;29, tech-support that&amp;#x27;s realistic to reach, and staffed with people who know what they are talking about, no bulk-firewalling port-25, etc... All for a modest 2x price increase over market average. Alas, they&amp;#x27;re out of business now.&lt;p&gt;[0] &lt;a href=&quot;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&amp;#x2F;wiki&amp;#x2F;Xs4all&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&amp;#x2F;wiki&amp;#x2F;Xs4all&lt;/a&gt;</text></item><item><author>_wldu</author><text>They are probably trying to reduce SIP abuse. It&amp;#x27;s a big problem.</text></item></parent_chain></comment><story><title>Tell HN: Spectrum is blocking TCP/UDP 5060 at my home</title><text>For several years, I&amp;#x27;ve run 3 VOIP phones from my house.  About a week ago they stopped working.  SIP REGISTER started failing.&lt;p&gt;Turns out Spectrum now blocks TCP&amp;#x2F;UDP port 5060.  My workaround is to use a VPN.  After that, everything is fine.&lt;p&gt;This reddit thread https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;www.reddit.com&amp;#x2F;r&amp;#x2F;networking&amp;#x2F;comments&amp;#x2F;t8nulq&amp;#x2F;spectrum_is_rate_limiting_voipsip_traffic_port&amp;#x2F; suggests Spectrum was rate limiting 5060 on 300mbps plans, but not on the 100mbps plans.&lt;p&gt;I have the 100mbps plan, and it is definitely affected now.&lt;p&gt;So if you are in SoCal, using Spectrum, and your VOIP phones suddenly stopped working in the last week or so, maybe this will help you.</text></story>