<instructions>Your goal is to analyze the following comment and estimate how highly it will be upvoted by the Hacker News community.</instructions><comment><author>dougmwne</author><text>These are fun discussions because words like &amp;quot;artistic creativity&amp;quot; have a colloquial meaning that could only apply to humans since the dawn of humanity. Now you have an image of Kermit in Wall-E. I have never seen or conceived of an image of Kermit in Wall-E. Let&amp;#x27;s assume that adorable robot Kermits do not exist in the training data to be spit out like a search algorithm.&lt;p&gt;The image is new, it did not previously exist. It is a creation, a very vague idea of a few words that was created in full realization.&lt;p&gt;So it sees like the only difference between the &amp;quot;Not creativity&amp;quot; that Dall-E is doing and &amp;quot;Real Creativity&amp;quot; that humans do is tht humans are the ones doing it?&lt;p&gt;I agree there&amp;#x27;s this concept of expanding the frontiers of human aesthetic capability that has slow-marched from cave paintings till post-modernism. That there are a very few artists that invent completely new styles that the rest of us copy and remix. It&amp;#x27;s questionable that Dall-E can do that, but I&amp;#x27;m also not sure that it can&amp;#x27;t do that.</text><parent_chain><item><author>tdehnel</author><text>Sorry to be this guy but that is not creativity. It’s using what already exists, not conjecturing something new.&lt;p&gt;Contrast with real creativity (what people can do but machines currently cannot) where you conjecture something completely new.&lt;p&gt;For example, Copernicus conjecturing the idea that the Earth revolves around the Sun. No machine learning model would have gotten there because it would have been trained on a bunch of data that said the Earth was the center of the universe.</text></item><item><author>tinalumfoil</author><text>The amount of creativity here is astounding. Just imagine all the decisions the AI made in incorporating Kermit into the movies: the clothing it&amp;#x27;s chosen, how the character wears the clothing, the facial expressions, how to make Kermit himself look similar to the other movies characters. Should he be lanky? pudgy? Even simple decisions like obliviously Kermit in Wall-E is going to be a robot, it has to figure out what he looks like as a robot, what his mouth looks like, that his eyes should be enlarged.&lt;p&gt;It gets a lot of things wrong, like I&amp;#x27;m not sure why kermit has a plastic texture in many of the pictures. If you showed me ten pictures of Kermit and ten frames of total recall, and for some reason 8 of your pictures had a plastic Kermit, and asked me to combine them in my head, I&amp;#x27;d probably imagine something on-par or worse than what Dalle has managed to do. But I wouldn&amp;#x27;t be able to show anyone what I&amp;#x27;d made!</text></item></parent_chain></comment><story><title>DALL-E 2 generates images of Kermit The Frog in various films</title><url>https://twitter.com/HvnsLstAngel/status/1531506455714492416</url></story>
<instructions>Your goal is to analyze the following comment and estimate how highly it will be upvoted by the Hacker News community.</instructions><comment><author>pphysch</author><text>Humans don&amp;#x27;t generate new ideas from nothing. Your &amp;quot;real creativity&amp;quot; doesn&amp;#x27;t exist. Everything is dependent on what came before, and therefore derivative to some extent.&lt;p&gt;Copernicus got his idea after gathering a lot of data, explicitly and implicitly, training his internal model of the world.</text><parent_chain><item><author>tdehnel</author><text>Sorry to be this guy but that is not creativity. It’s using what already exists, not conjecturing something new.&lt;p&gt;Contrast with real creativity (what people can do but machines currently cannot) where you conjecture something completely new.&lt;p&gt;For example, Copernicus conjecturing the idea that the Earth revolves around the Sun. No machine learning model would have gotten there because it would have been trained on a bunch of data that said the Earth was the center of the universe.</text></item><item><author>tinalumfoil</author><text>The amount of creativity here is astounding. Just imagine all the decisions the AI made in incorporating Kermit into the movies: the clothing it&amp;#x27;s chosen, how the character wears the clothing, the facial expressions, how to make Kermit himself look similar to the other movies characters. Should he be lanky? pudgy? Even simple decisions like obliviously Kermit in Wall-E is going to be a robot, it has to figure out what he looks like as a robot, what his mouth looks like, that his eyes should be enlarged.&lt;p&gt;It gets a lot of things wrong, like I&amp;#x27;m not sure why kermit has a plastic texture in many of the pictures. If you showed me ten pictures of Kermit and ten frames of total recall, and for some reason 8 of your pictures had a plastic Kermit, and asked me to combine them in my head, I&amp;#x27;d probably imagine something on-par or worse than what Dalle has managed to do. But I wouldn&amp;#x27;t be able to show anyone what I&amp;#x27;d made!</text></item></parent_chain></comment><story><title>DALL-E 2 generates images of Kermit The Frog in various films</title><url>https://twitter.com/HvnsLstAngel/status/1531506455714492416</url></story>