<instructions>Your goal is to analyze the following comment and estimate how highly it will be upvoted by the Hacker News community.</instructions><comment><author>CreateAccount50</author><text>Virtually Western democracies support death penalty besides the US and Japan. It literally puts us in a lot with the countries. We consider it to be backwards (Iran, Saudi Arabia, Russia).&lt;p&gt;I don&amp;#x27;t think Americans sometimes realize how radical of an outlier we are to the rest of the world on this and many other issues, including probably most notably, basic social policy.</text><parent_chain><item><author>edm0nd</author><text>I think we need to find another way or some kind of middle solution.&lt;p&gt;Like in the situation where everyone knows this person did crime X or Y (for example lets say murdered several children) we can just immediately execute them via hanging or firing squad (quickly) instead of letting them sit in prison for a decade+ while we &amp;quot;wait&amp;quot; on their lethal injection nonsense to go down.&lt;p&gt;The tricky part is having a fool proof system where we only execute people where the evidence is 100% and then perhaps multiple independent review panels also agree all evidence points to yeah they did it or the criminal themselves admits to the crimes.&lt;p&gt;Some kind of system where everyone executed has been universally agreed upon as guilty.&lt;p&gt;A sentence of death should be swift, agreed upon by all, and  not a criminal spending decades in prison wasting tax payers money.</text></item><item><author>neallindsay</author><text>The death penalty should be abolished. You don&amp;#x27;t get sentenced to death for harming others, you get sentenced to death for being unsympathetic to the jury (because of racism or, as in this case, because you don&amp;#x27;t appear to exhibit the right emotions) and for not having enough money to afford a good lawyer.&lt;p&gt;You can die from being poor in a bunch of different ways in this country, but this is one we could easily eliminate.</text></item></parent_chain></comment><story><title>Retired detective: We got it wrong in Robert Roberson&apos;s death penalty case</title><url>https://www.dallasnews.com/opinion/commentary/2024/05/23/retired-detective-we-got-it-wrong-in-robert-robersons-death-penalty-case/</url></story>
<instructions>Your goal is to analyze the following comment and estimate how highly it will be upvoted by the Hacker News community.</instructions><comment><author>Nathanba</author><text>Yes, the only real argument against the 100% cases that I&amp;#x27;ve ever heard is that there would be fewer people admitting to murder if they knew that they would be killed. But I think this shouldn&amp;#x27;t bother us, so what if fewer people confess? I think most confessions are already only done when they see themselves having no other choice than admitting what they did. 
Also we are talking about the 100% cases, people who e.g publically shot someone or are so mentally ill or stupid that they confess anyway where by definition we might not even need to wait for a confession.&lt;p&gt;I think most people who are against the death penalty are not fully honest with their opposition, consciously or subconsciously. Outwardly they say that they oppose it due to the danger of innocents being hurt. But inwardly I suspect a far less well intentioned reason because we see an indication for this in the release of murderers from prison after only ~15 years sometimes. What genuinely moral person would ever support the release of a murderer? But see, if we don&amp;#x27;t execute murderers immediately it starts a whole process in humans. They see the suffering of the murderer in prison and they feel bad. It&amp;#x27;s automatic, they can&amp;#x27;t turn it off. This the kind of automatic biological pity when you see someone suffering which is not a good kind of pity in this case. This person murdered another human being, his life should be forfeit. But then an even sicker consideration starts coming into play: The humans who see this other human (murderer) suffering say: Well, this is a waste! This too is inevitable thinking in humans. We see a human being who seems to behave well now, in a cage, and seems to be nice and you can talk normally to them over topics like the weather and family and suddenly the thought comes that this is an economic waste. Then society suddenly has a big, daily economic incentive to release him. This is why I support the death penalty to be carried out immediately, we cannot trust people to be objective about pain and suffering, especially not decades after the committed murder when the wounds aren&amp;#x27;t fresh anymore. But the victim cannot talk and plead for justice.</text><parent_chain><item><author>edm0nd</author><text>I think we need to find another way or some kind of middle solution.&lt;p&gt;Like in the situation where everyone knows this person did crime X or Y (for example lets say murdered several children) we can just immediately execute them via hanging or firing squad (quickly) instead of letting them sit in prison for a decade+ while we &amp;quot;wait&amp;quot; on their lethal injection nonsense to go down.&lt;p&gt;The tricky part is having a fool proof system where we only execute people where the evidence is 100% and then perhaps multiple independent review panels also agree all evidence points to yeah they did it or the criminal themselves admits to the crimes.&lt;p&gt;Some kind of system where everyone executed has been universally agreed upon as guilty.&lt;p&gt;A sentence of death should be swift, agreed upon by all, and  not a criminal spending decades in prison wasting tax payers money.</text></item><item><author>neallindsay</author><text>The death penalty should be abolished. You don&amp;#x27;t get sentenced to death for harming others, you get sentenced to death for being unsympathetic to the jury (because of racism or, as in this case, because you don&amp;#x27;t appear to exhibit the right emotions) and for not having enough money to afford a good lawyer.&lt;p&gt;You can die from being poor in a bunch of different ways in this country, but this is one we could easily eliminate.</text></item></parent_chain></comment><story><title>Retired detective: We got it wrong in Robert Roberson&apos;s death penalty case</title><url>https://www.dallasnews.com/opinion/commentary/2024/05/23/retired-detective-we-got-it-wrong-in-robert-robersons-death-penalty-case/</url></story>