<instructions>Your goal is to analyze the following comment and estimate how highly it will be upvoted by the Hacker News community.</instructions><comment><author>Someone1234</author><text>I&amp;#x27;m a naturalised citizen.&lt;p&gt;I like to joke that I have more documenting showing my legal right to be in the US than my wife&amp;#x27;s grandmother. My wife&amp;#x27;s grandmother has a birth certificate but it is water damaged, illegible, and falling apart. Besides that she has no state ID (driver&amp;#x27;s license expired twenty years ago), and few other forms of identity.&lt;p&gt;Americans seem quite dead set against a national ID scheme (and associated database). The problem with that is that we wind up with a de-facto one, SSNs and social security cards being your main proof of who you are and your legal status. Birth certificates are problematic because they&amp;#x27;ve never been standardised, and have no real fraud mitigation mechanisms (e.g. watermarks). Certainly my daughter&amp;#x27;s US birth certificate would be trivial to duplicate.&lt;p&gt;This is in no small part why I ordered my daughter a US passport even before it was needed. It is one of the best forms of ID and citizenship proof you can have, even if it expires you remain in the database indefinitely. It is also why I ordered myself a US passport-card, so I have proof of citizenship in my wallet at all times.&lt;p&gt;ICE, interior immigration checkpoints, and other initiatives seem to be on the rise. Even legal immigrants and US citizens need to protect yourselves, particularly if you&amp;#x27;re more likely to be profiled due to race.</text><parent_chain></parent_chain></comment><story><title>How a U.S. citizen was mistakenly targeted for deportation. He’s not alone</title><url>http://beta.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ice-citizen-arrest-20171129-story.html#nws=mcnewsletter</url></story>
<instructions>Your goal is to analyze the following comment and estimate how highly it will be upvoted by the Hacker News community.</instructions><comment><author>rdtsc</author><text>Hopefully he gets some money out of this. Can&amp;#x27;t imagine being grabbed, held in a cell somewhere, and then told I had to be deported all of the sudden.&lt;p&gt;&amp;gt; Carrillo said his son brought a passport and a certificate of citizenship the government issued Carrillo but that ICE officers refused to review the documents.&lt;p&gt;Well that&amp;#x27;s just baffling. What exactly would they consider proof of citizenship if a passport and the certificate doesn&amp;#x27;t do it. What would it take? What if he didn&amp;#x27;t have a passport. Many people I know don&amp;#x27;t have one or have an expired one. Certainly not a requirement to have one.&lt;p&gt;&amp;gt; The refusal by ICE officials to listen to Carrillo’s claims of citizenship appeared to violate an agency policy that requires officers to thoroughly and quickly investigate such claims&lt;p&gt;It also violates decency and common sense as well, and veers into plain old brutality.&lt;p&gt;Rant: One thing I don&amp;#x27;t understand is why don&amp;#x27;t people have national ID cards in US. Most countries I know of have them, here it is a complicated mess of drivers license, SSN, birth certificates, each states makes their own ID card thing for those that don&amp;#x27;t drive. Every single time elections come around there is talk of ID cards and supposed voter fraud for months afterwards, with everyone pointing fingers and insinuating things. Then there are cases like these. People&amp;#x27;s identities are stolen based on the stupid SSN number and a name, most of those are already on the black market somewhere already.</text><parent_chain></parent_chain></comment><story><title>How a U.S. citizen was mistakenly targeted for deportation. He’s not alone</title><url>http://beta.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ice-citizen-arrest-20171129-story.html#nws=mcnewsletter</url></story>