<instructions>Your goal is to analyze the following comment and estimate how highly it will be upvoted by the Hacker News community.</instructions><comment><author>ellyagg</author><text>You don&apos;t think hearing Jobs and Wozniak discussing the future of personal computers would have been all that enlightening? Did you watch the linked video? Wozniak explicitly refutes you. He says they discussed personal computers extensively and Jobs always pushed him to engineer ideas that other people weren&apos;t envisioning. He says that Jobs needed him at the beginning and that Wozniak owes much more after that to Jobs.&lt;p&gt;It&apos;s pointless to try to determine who was more important to Apple&apos;s initial success anyway. It&apos;s like trying to figure out whether the calves or the thighs contribute more to a vertical jump. Try keeping your legs perfectly straight at the knees and jumping with just the feet: You&apos;ll only get a couple inches off the floor. Now try keeping the ankle locked and jump off the heels with your thighs: You&apos;ll get a little higher. But if you take a full natural jump with your upper and lower leg, you&apos;ll jump far higher than the addition of both before. The point is, sometimes synergies just can&apos;t be broken down into obvious component forces.</text><parent_chain><item><author>ajross</author><text>Not sure that would have been as enlightening as you think.  They worked together on the Apple II, not the Mac. And the 6502 boxes were all Woz on the inside.  His design, his software.  Jobs added the box, the polish and the marketing.  But all the look and feel wizardry and attention to detail was still in his future.  Apple bootstrapped by selling a machine that was fundamentally the work of a single hacker.&lt;p&gt;&lt;i&gt;Edit: I should explain more of my perspective here.  Woz doesn&apos;t get remotely as much recognition as he deserves for Apple&apos;s success. Jobs was the executive, his leadership style, &quot;force of taste&quot; and personality were able to scale to Apple as it exists today.  But by itself that would have gotten him zilch in 1976.  Apple exists at all because One Guy was able to put together a single box at a production price point that wouldn&apos;t be matched for 7 years.  The Apple II video hardware and especially the disk controller (both implemented with just a handful of off-the-shelf logic chips, no ASICs involved) were works of true, absolute, genius.  Circuit design like that probably won&apos;t ever happen again.&lt;/i&gt;</text></item><item><author>JunkDNA</author><text>Reminds me what an incredible guy Woz is as well. Makes me wish I could have been there as the two of them debated the future of the personal computer in their garage.</text></item></parent_chain></comment><story><title>Wozniak remembers Steve Jobs</title><url>http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/wozniak-remembers-steve-jobs/2011/10/06/gIQAAINvPL_video.html</url></story>
<instructions>Your goal is to analyze the following comment and estimate how highly it will be upvoted by the Hacker News community.</instructions><comment><author>vecter</author><text>I remember a video of Steve in 1997(?) where he said &quot;people want big beautiful color displays, maps, intuitive interfaces, etc.&quot; (horribly misquoted I&apos;m sure). It was clear back then that he had the vision for the iPhone and iPad, in some way.&lt;p&gt;Just because Steve wasn&apos;t technically proficient doesn&apos;t mean that he didn&apos;t have any good input into the design and features of the machines that Woz was building. I&apos;m sure Steve said a lot of things, about the software especially, that helped determine the direction of the product they were building.</text><parent_chain><item><author>ajross</author><text>Not sure that would have been as enlightening as you think.  They worked together on the Apple II, not the Mac. And the 6502 boxes were all Woz on the inside.  His design, his software.  Jobs added the box, the polish and the marketing.  But all the look and feel wizardry and attention to detail was still in his future.  Apple bootstrapped by selling a machine that was fundamentally the work of a single hacker.&lt;p&gt;&lt;i&gt;Edit: I should explain more of my perspective here.  Woz doesn&apos;t get remotely as much recognition as he deserves for Apple&apos;s success. Jobs was the executive, his leadership style, &quot;force of taste&quot; and personality were able to scale to Apple as it exists today.  But by itself that would have gotten him zilch in 1976.  Apple exists at all because One Guy was able to put together a single box at a production price point that wouldn&apos;t be matched for 7 years.  The Apple II video hardware and especially the disk controller (both implemented with just a handful of off-the-shelf logic chips, no ASICs involved) were works of true, absolute, genius.  Circuit design like that probably won&apos;t ever happen again.&lt;/i&gt;</text></item><item><author>JunkDNA</author><text>Reminds me what an incredible guy Woz is as well. Makes me wish I could have been there as the two of them debated the future of the personal computer in their garage.</text></item></parent_chain></comment><story><title>Wozniak remembers Steve Jobs</title><url>http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/wozniak-remembers-steve-jobs/2011/10/06/gIQAAINvPL_video.html</url></story>