<instructions>Your goal is to analyze the following comment and estimate how highly it will be upvoted by the Hacker News community.</instructions><comment><author>_2uwr</author><text>A 1% wage with a 0.1% cost of living is still poor! Its all relative. Stocks dont mean nothing to me. Watch the stock price plummet when founders sell their stock.&lt;p&gt;There are jobs out there, I&amp;#x27;ve turned down 3 (2xUS, 1xUK&amp;#x2F;CH) last year I enquired about just to keep in touch with whats on offer and gain insight into projects underway or commencing. Paying 6 figures, US onsite, UK&amp;#x2F;CH offered remote, working as many hours as I wanted. Turned them down. I think US&amp;#x2F;Canada remote is rare because of the poor internet infrastructure once you get outside of the cities, Europe has better internet infrastructure so can offer more remote work. Management styles are generally different in the US compared to Europe, with the UK somewhere in between the two regions as usual.&lt;p&gt;I think people need to understand the different parts of a global economy and realise some sectors some countries wont be or will hardly be affected by the social media downturn especially if they are prepared to work abroad and broaden their horizons.&lt;p&gt;Plenty of money in China.....</text><parent_chain><item><author>hikawaii</author><text>Given that the average mid level developer makes a salary and stock grant putting them &lt;i&gt;well&lt;/i&gt; into the 1% (in USA) I find it questionable that the majority of people are &amp;quot;just&amp;quot; trying to keep a roof over their heads.</text></item><item><author>paganel</author><text>The people going after &amp;quot;wealth&amp;quot; are a minority. The majority of us are salaried people who go to work in order to have a roof over our heads, to pay the bills and put food on the table and maybe to have enough money to have some kids.&lt;p&gt;The majority of us don&amp;#x27;t actually know what we &amp;quot;have&amp;quot;, because it isn&amp;#x27;t that much anyway. We do know though what we need to pay in the next 10 to 15 days(and if we somehow forget there&amp;#x27;s where anxious dreams come into play to help us out with that).</text></item><item><author>georgeecollins</author><text>&amp;gt;&amp;gt; were hanging on to their jobs to save maybe 10% more or whatever&lt;p&gt;The amount of wealth all people need is constant.  It is 1.5 x whatever they have today.</text></item><item><author>ryandrake</author><text>Furthermore, some &lt;i&gt;very&lt;/i&gt; senior employees are in this boat: They kinda have enough savings to just retire, but were hanging on to their jobs to save maybe 10% more or whatever. Now that they&amp;#x27;re out of a job they are simply saying &amp;quot;Whelllp, I guess I&amp;#x27;m now retired.&amp;quot; and not really feeling the need to look anymore. I know someone who refused a forced return to office, and when his company tried to call his bluff, he just said &amp;quot;I guess I&amp;#x27;m retired now!&amp;quot;</text></item><item><author>dixie_land</author><text>My observation is that recent layoffs affect engineers with different seniority very differently.&lt;p&gt;Senior devs I know who got laid off are just enjoying their time off (with pay! if you consider the severance) after the rocketing market in 2021 (and maybe even H1 22) made them whole and financially secure. And they won&amp;#x27;t be entertaining a startup unless significant equity or big leveling up (eg Principal or Director).&lt;p&gt;On the other hand, fresh grads who got laid off are in such a panic mode (esp those on visa) they&amp;#x27;d be willing to take anything.</text></item><item><author>jaxomlotus</author><text>Here&amp;#x27;s the flip side: I was hiring (at a stealth vc-funded startup).&lt;p&gt;I reached out to every designer and coder laid off from Twitter and Amazon (one of my investors sent me a spreadsheet that those laid off folks added their contact info to).&lt;p&gt;I didn&amp;#x27;t receive a single interested response to my reach outs. Now granted, I&amp;#x27;m sure they were bombarded with lots of startup offers and being picky what company&amp;#x2F;stage they were responding to, or were still in grief mode and not ready to start looking, or maybe (probably!) my reach-out finesse was lacking.&lt;p&gt;But I&amp;#x27;m just pointing out that their are definitely companies like mine who are hiring and it&amp;#x27;s not all doom and gloom for laid off folks.&lt;p&gt;I ended up hiring via ads on LinkedIn and job posts on eng message boards.&lt;p&gt;Being real for a minute: There is definitely a perspective among hiring companies that regular lay offs are sometimes packaged alongside bottom performers, but I think that is something they would just do diligence on during an interview process.</text></item></parent_chain></comment><story><title>Ask HN: Laid off folks, are you getting hired?</title><text>With the rampant layoffs, are you guys getting hired? How are you doing?</text></story>
<instructions>Your goal is to analyze the following comment and estimate how highly it will be upvoted by the Hacker News community.</instructions><comment><author>paganel</author><text>Looked to me like the OP was talking more generally, about all people.&lt;p&gt;And back to developers (I am one, but not living in the US), I don&amp;#x27;t think most of them own their place of living. I know I don&amp;#x27;t, so, yes, I have to work in order to have a roof over my head.</text><parent_chain><item><author>hikawaii</author><text>Given that the average mid level developer makes a salary and stock grant putting them &lt;i&gt;well&lt;/i&gt; into the 1% (in USA) I find it questionable that the majority of people are &amp;quot;just&amp;quot; trying to keep a roof over their heads.</text></item><item><author>paganel</author><text>The people going after &amp;quot;wealth&amp;quot; are a minority. The majority of us are salaried people who go to work in order to have a roof over our heads, to pay the bills and put food on the table and maybe to have enough money to have some kids.&lt;p&gt;The majority of us don&amp;#x27;t actually know what we &amp;quot;have&amp;quot;, because it isn&amp;#x27;t that much anyway. We do know though what we need to pay in the next 10 to 15 days(and if we somehow forget there&amp;#x27;s where anxious dreams come into play to help us out with that).</text></item><item><author>georgeecollins</author><text>&amp;gt;&amp;gt; were hanging on to their jobs to save maybe 10% more or whatever&lt;p&gt;The amount of wealth all people need is constant.  It is 1.5 x whatever they have today.</text></item><item><author>ryandrake</author><text>Furthermore, some &lt;i&gt;very&lt;/i&gt; senior employees are in this boat: They kinda have enough savings to just retire, but were hanging on to their jobs to save maybe 10% more or whatever. Now that they&amp;#x27;re out of a job they are simply saying &amp;quot;Whelllp, I guess I&amp;#x27;m now retired.&amp;quot; and not really feeling the need to look anymore. I know someone who refused a forced return to office, and when his company tried to call his bluff, he just said &amp;quot;I guess I&amp;#x27;m retired now!&amp;quot;</text></item><item><author>dixie_land</author><text>My observation is that recent layoffs affect engineers with different seniority very differently.&lt;p&gt;Senior devs I know who got laid off are just enjoying their time off (with pay! if you consider the severance) after the rocketing market in 2021 (and maybe even H1 22) made them whole and financially secure. And they won&amp;#x27;t be entertaining a startup unless significant equity or big leveling up (eg Principal or Director).&lt;p&gt;On the other hand, fresh grads who got laid off are in such a panic mode (esp those on visa) they&amp;#x27;d be willing to take anything.</text></item><item><author>jaxomlotus</author><text>Here&amp;#x27;s the flip side: I was hiring (at a stealth vc-funded startup).&lt;p&gt;I reached out to every designer and coder laid off from Twitter and Amazon (one of my investors sent me a spreadsheet that those laid off folks added their contact info to).&lt;p&gt;I didn&amp;#x27;t receive a single interested response to my reach outs. Now granted, I&amp;#x27;m sure they were bombarded with lots of startup offers and being picky what company&amp;#x2F;stage they were responding to, or were still in grief mode and not ready to start looking, or maybe (probably!) my reach-out finesse was lacking.&lt;p&gt;But I&amp;#x27;m just pointing out that their are definitely companies like mine who are hiring and it&amp;#x27;s not all doom and gloom for laid off folks.&lt;p&gt;I ended up hiring via ads on LinkedIn and job posts on eng message boards.&lt;p&gt;Being real for a minute: There is definitely a perspective among hiring companies that regular lay offs are sometimes packaged alongside bottom performers, but I think that is something they would just do diligence on during an interview process.</text></item></parent_chain></comment><story><title>Ask HN: Laid off folks, are you getting hired?</title><text>With the rampant layoffs, are you guys getting hired? How are you doing?</text></story>