<instructions>Your goal is to analyze the following comment and estimate how highly it will be upvoted by the Hacker News community.</instructions><comment><author>ggm</author><text>Because my engagement with unions has only been positive, I am interested in the amazing number of people who seem motivated to say how negatively they feel about unions. I get that in an oppositional sense, if you don&amp;#x27;t want what a union wants, then they tend to cast into the bad, but for the middle ground who are not VCs, owners, Managers, and are candidates for union membership, I find it really strange how much people cast them into a class of &amp;quot;money grabbers for no benefit&amp;quot;&lt;p&gt;Do people feel the same about life insurance, car insurance? Its not that you actually intend being harrassed or sacked (fall ill, have a car accident) It&amp;#x27;s that you don&amp;#x27;t want to find yourself on the wrong side of an employment dispute (accident claim) without some insurance.&lt;p&gt;Unions may be taking your hard earned money. They may be doing things which you don&amp;#x27;t like (do I love my car insurance company?) But, they have a neccessary role in risk management.&lt;p&gt;We talk about risk management in the ICT sector all the time. Why can&amp;#x27;t we talk about risk management for labour hire?&lt;p&gt;Amazon used &amp;quot;dirty tricks&amp;quot; to win this election. I am sure the Union bust some minor rules too, but overall I am reasonably confident that the vote was neither free, nor fair. I also do think there is no latent 100% pro-union vote out there, and that a large number of the polled workers don&amp;#x27;t want a union, or the cost of the union, or the risk of jobloss from Amazon if they join the union (which is illegal but still has a risk of happening) -So I don&amp;#x27;t for a minute believe a re-vote will magically reverse the signal with an overwhelming result.&lt;p&gt;What interests me, is the basis for opposition to the union in the first place. Do people really think the garment workers in  New York were backing the wrong horse? Do people think the machineguns which Ford arranged to turn on a union march in Detroit didn&amp;#x27;t happen?&lt;p&gt;&amp;quot;oh, that would never happen now...&amp;quot;</text><parent_chain></parent_chain></comment><story><title>Amazon Unlawfully Confiscated Union Literature, NLRB Finds</title><url>https://www.vice.com/en/article/bvz3kv/amazon-unlawfully-confiscated-union-literature-nlrb-finds</url></story>
<instructions>Your goal is to analyze the following comment and estimate how highly it will be upvoted by the Hacker News community.</instructions><comment><author>Animats</author><text>This could work out. Each time the employer violates an NRLB rule during an organizing campaign, even if the employer wins, there&amp;#x27;s another election in 3 months. Until the union wins or the employer stops breaking the rules.</text><parent_chain></parent_chain></comment><story><title>Amazon Unlawfully Confiscated Union Literature, NLRB Finds</title><url>https://www.vice.com/en/article/bvz3kv/amazon-unlawfully-confiscated-union-literature-nlrb-finds</url></story>