<instructions>Your goal is to analyze the following comment and estimate how highly it will be upvoted by the Hacker News community.</instructions><comment><author>mort96</author><text>So, p0pcult cited with a Steve Jobs quote which, in this context, can only be understood to mean, &amp;quot;Apple is becoming&amp;#x2F;has become a company where sales and marketing people are running the companies, and the product quality is suffering for it&amp;quot;. shepherdjerred points out that the product quality is still extremely high, so the quote doesn&amp;#x27;t seem apt.&lt;p&gt;&amp;quot;Apple makes some good products but is evil&amp;quot; is valid criticism of Apple, which shepherdjerred hasn&amp;#x27;t disagreed with. &amp;quot;Apple is making bad products these days because they are lead by marketing and sales people&amp;quot; isn&amp;#x27;t valid criticism of Apple (in shepherdjerred&amp;#x27;s, and my, opinion).</text><parent_chain><item><author>smoldesu</author><text>See, this is your problem. Abhorrent business practices can exist alongside great products, just look at Nestle. Nothing will excuse them for pumping freshwater out of inland lakes, or paying for paramilitary organizations to oppress their slave labor camps. It just means that people are fine eating Hershey Bars without thinking about the child labor that made their chocolate.</text></item><item><author>shepherdjerred</author><text>Apple still makes great products. Nothing can beat a MacBook (especially the new ones), AirPods work pretty well. Many (most?) people that use iPhones or Apple Watches love them.</text></item><item><author>p0pcult</author><text>&amp;quot;If you were a product person at IBM or Xerox, so you make a better copier or computer. So what? When you have monopoly market share, the company&amp;#x27;s not any more successful.&lt;p&gt;So the people that can make the company more successful are sales and marketing people, and they end up running the companies. And the product people get driven out of the decision making forums, and the companies forget what it means to make great products. The product sensibility and the product genius that brought them to that monopolistic position gets rotted out by people running these companies that have no conception of a good product versus a bad product.&amp;quot;&lt;p&gt;-Steve Jobs</text></item></parent_chain></comment><story><title>Apple blocks Coinbase Wallet</title><url>https://twitter.com/coinbasewallet/status/1598354819735031809</url></story>
<instructions>Your goal is to analyze the following comment and estimate how highly it will be upvoted by the Hacker News community.</instructions><comment><author>lotsofpulp</author><text>I was expecting a Nestle product in your last sentence.&lt;p&gt;Also, pretty sure effectively all chocolate benefits from child labor because of where cocoa trees are located.</text><parent_chain><item><author>smoldesu</author><text>See, this is your problem. Abhorrent business practices can exist alongside great products, just look at Nestle. Nothing will excuse them for pumping freshwater out of inland lakes, or paying for paramilitary organizations to oppress their slave labor camps. It just means that people are fine eating Hershey Bars without thinking about the child labor that made their chocolate.</text></item><item><author>shepherdjerred</author><text>Apple still makes great products. Nothing can beat a MacBook (especially the new ones), AirPods work pretty well. Many (most?) people that use iPhones or Apple Watches love them.</text></item><item><author>p0pcult</author><text>&amp;quot;If you were a product person at IBM or Xerox, so you make a better copier or computer. So what? When you have monopoly market share, the company&amp;#x27;s not any more successful.&lt;p&gt;So the people that can make the company more successful are sales and marketing people, and they end up running the companies. And the product people get driven out of the decision making forums, and the companies forget what it means to make great products. The product sensibility and the product genius that brought them to that monopolistic position gets rotted out by people running these companies that have no conception of a good product versus a bad product.&amp;quot;&lt;p&gt;-Steve Jobs</text></item></parent_chain></comment><story><title>Apple blocks Coinbase Wallet</title><url>https://twitter.com/coinbasewallet/status/1598354819735031809</url></story>