<instructions>Your goal is to analyze the following comment and estimate how highly it will be upvoted by the Hacker News community.</instructions><comment><author>pmahoney</author><text>Not sure if this would help, and I&amp;#x27;m not exactly sure I&amp;#x27;m understanding you correctly, but when I tie hockey stakes, instead of a single &amp;quot;left-over-right starting knot&amp;quot; (using terminology from the post), I wrap around two or even three times. This provides enough friction for that first knot to stay put while I tie the loops of the standard shoelace knot (not the Ian knot, with which I&amp;#x27;m unfamiliar).</text><parent_chain><item><author>flatline</author><text>That would not work for me. I need to keep one finger on the slip knot at all times or it becomes loose, resulting in a very unsatisfying knot. This has been by far the biggest hurdle to teaching my kids to tie a decent knot in their shoelaces: they can move through the motions just fine but it&amp;#x27;s always loose. I actually start with my left index finger on the slip knot then transition to my right index finger halfway through - much more complicated than it at first seems.</text></item><item><author>qwnp</author><text>The &amp;quot;Ian Knot&amp;quot;[0] (which, I just discovered, was invented by the author of that site) is quite possibly the coolest and fastest way to tie your shoes.&lt;p&gt;[0] - &lt;a href=&quot;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;www.fieggen.com&amp;#x2F;shoelace&amp;#x2F;ianknot.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;www.fieggen.com&amp;#x2F;shoelace&amp;#x2F;ianknot.htm&lt;/a&gt;</text></item></parent_chain></comment><story><title>The “Granny Knot”</title><url>https://www.fieggen.com/shoelace/grannyknot.htm</url></story>
<instructions>Your goal is to analyze the following comment and estimate how highly it will be upvoted by the Hacker News community.</instructions><comment><author>Kozmik1</author><text>Try the Surgeon&amp;#x27;s Knot instead: &lt;a href=&quot;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;www.fieggen.com&amp;#x2F;shoelace&amp;#x2F;surgeonknot.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;www.fieggen.com&amp;#x2F;shoelace&amp;#x2F;surgeonknot.htm&lt;/a&gt;</text><parent_chain><item><author>flatline</author><text>That would not work for me. I need to keep one finger on the slip knot at all times or it becomes loose, resulting in a very unsatisfying knot. This has been by far the biggest hurdle to teaching my kids to tie a decent knot in their shoelaces: they can move through the motions just fine but it&amp;#x27;s always loose. I actually start with my left index finger on the slip knot then transition to my right index finger halfway through - much more complicated than it at first seems.</text></item><item><author>qwnp</author><text>The &amp;quot;Ian Knot&amp;quot;[0] (which, I just discovered, was invented by the author of that site) is quite possibly the coolest and fastest way to tie your shoes.&lt;p&gt;[0] - &lt;a href=&quot;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;www.fieggen.com&amp;#x2F;shoelace&amp;#x2F;ianknot.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;www.fieggen.com&amp;#x2F;shoelace&amp;#x2F;ianknot.htm&lt;/a&gt;</text></item></parent_chain></comment><story><title>The “Granny Knot”</title><url>https://www.fieggen.com/shoelace/grannyknot.htm</url></story>