<instructions>Your goal is to analyze the following comment and estimate how highly it will be upvoted by the Hacker News community.</instructions><comment><author>sweden</author><text>Every time I see Moxie talking about decentralization, I can&amp;#x27;t help to think that this is all a big disguised agenda used to promote his own business for selling the Signal technology to any messaging vendors (WhatsApp, Facebook, Google, etc.)&lt;p&gt;He keeps bringing data privacy and data encryption as the sole motive for decentralization but that&amp;#x27;s not really the point. The main point is data ownership and freedom of usage.&lt;p&gt;WhatsApp and Signal are good messaging services indeed but:&lt;p&gt;- We are tied to their official clients.&lt;p&gt;- Which means that we are tied to the platforms they support&lt;p&gt;- We are also required to have Google Play services installed on our Android phones&lt;p&gt;- We are tied to phone numbers&lt;p&gt;- And if (for whatever reason) we trip on their abuse detection services, we might get banned and completely prevented of using their own service (mistakes on their side can happen as we have been seeing with Google)&lt;p&gt;The point of decentralization is to avoid all these annoying constraints. Encryption and privacy are a bonus, not the selling point.&lt;p&gt;Also, all of his points about centralization are completely refuted by the efforts of the Matrix project.</text><parent_chain></parent_chain></comment><story><title>The Ecosystem Is Moving [video]</title><url>https://media.ccc.de/v/36c3-11086-the_ecosystem_is_moving</url></story>
<instructions>Your goal is to analyze the following comment and estimate how highly it will be upvoted by the Hacker News community.</instructions><comment><author>bertman</author><text>This talk is basically an elaboration of Moxie&amp;#x27;s blog post from 2016 with the same name [1]. 
See also a response to this blog post by Daniel Gultsch, developer of the popular Android XMPP app Conversations [2].&lt;p&gt;[1]&lt;a href=&quot;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;signal.org&amp;#x2F;blog&amp;#x2F;the-ecosystem-is-moving&amp;#x2F;&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;signal.org&amp;#x2F;blog&amp;#x2F;the-ecosystem-is-moving&amp;#x2F;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;p&gt;[2]&lt;a href=&quot;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;gultsch.de&amp;#x2F;objection.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;gultsch.de&amp;#x2F;objection.html&lt;/a&gt;</text><parent_chain></parent_chain></comment><story><title>The Ecosystem Is Moving [video]</title><url>https://media.ccc.de/v/36c3-11086-the_ecosystem_is_moving</url></story>