<instructions>Your goal is to analyze the following comment and estimate how highly it will be upvoted by the Hacker News community.</instructions><comment><author>mindslight</author><text>If you hate to say it, then don&amp;#x27;t say it. Sure, it seems like everything would be so much simpler if we could merely sort everybody into two groups of good people and bad people, and punish the bad people. That&amp;#x27;s the tired old authoritarian fallacy.&lt;p&gt;In reality, you&amp;#x27;ve got an endless supply of people who will make a mess once with your unpopular system and not care, good faith accidents unable to make amends, people that refuse to show IDs and piss on the reader on general principle, people unjustly blamed by your system for someone else&amp;#x27;s mess with no appeal, fake IDs, and inevitable tie in to other delusional top-down systems that multiply these problems.</text><parent_chain><item><author>benjohnson</author><text>I hate to say it, but universal ID and a deny-list would stop it easily. You let the bathroom verify your ID, and if you leave the place a mess the you no longer have bathroom privileges.&lt;p&gt;It would let you keep great public access, keep toilets simple, and only pass the &amp;quot;costs&amp;quot; of bad-behaviour to those that deserve it.&lt;p&gt;Having ID to take a piss is a bit weird however.</text></item><item><author>runawaybottle</author><text>I’ve actually thought about this a little too much. When I take my dog for long walks, there’s literally no where I can use the bathroom. I can’t even go into a McDonald’s (no dogs). I’m sure homeless people are denied this basic human right everywhere.&lt;p&gt;Our portable bathrooms don’t self clean well enough. We need to think about how to design a better one. I don’t know if that involves building in air vacuums that force pull in everything to avoid clogs, or if we need more high pressure water, or literal acid that floods the floor after someone leaves (self cleans the whole box, and automatically sprays disinfectant, vacuums down all the shit in 2 minutes, then unlocks the door). Maybe have one time plastic bags that seal up and then get flushed down (all automated). Some kind of hosing down of the whole thing with acid is still high on my list.&lt;p&gt;There’s got to be some tech we can make that would make rolling these out the most hygienic thing to do as a society.</text></item><item><author>benjohnson</author><text>The reason there&amp;#x27;s no(few) public bathrooms in the US is that we&amp;#x27;re not allowed to charge for them (with the noble goal of human rights) as opposed to the EU&amp;#x2F;UK.&lt;p&gt;So the first malcontent that spreads feces all over the walls and blocks up the toilet with a syringe gets the whole thing shut down.&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;psmag.com&amp;#x2F;economics&amp;#x2F;dont-pay-toilets-america-bathroom-restroom-free-market-90683&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;psmag.com&amp;#x2F;economics&amp;#x2F;dont-pay-toilets-america-bathroom...&lt;/a&gt;</text></item><item><author>cmckn</author><text>Needing to pee while on the road isn’t totally unique to Amazon drivers; and decades of anti-homeless policies mean there are very few places in many cities where you can just run in to use the bathroom. Many of these drivers operate in the suburbs, where door codes aren’t as common on bathrooms, but it still made me think.&lt;p&gt;(Obviously these drivers are being put under time crunches, hence the bottles, and that &lt;i&gt;is&lt;/i&gt; a separate issue)</text></item></parent_chain></comment><story><title>Amazon acknowledges issue of drivers urinating in bottles in apology</title><url>https://www.reuters.com/article/idUSKBN2BQ0DC</url></story>
<instructions>Your goal is to analyze the following comment and estimate how highly it will be upvoted by the Hacker News community.</instructions><comment><author>leetcrew</author><text>I&amp;#x27;d guess the type of person who would trash a public restroom is also pretty likely to just relieve themselves in the street after being banned. not sure what problem this solves.</text><parent_chain><item><author>benjohnson</author><text>I hate to say it, but universal ID and a deny-list would stop it easily. You let the bathroom verify your ID, and if you leave the place a mess the you no longer have bathroom privileges.&lt;p&gt;It would let you keep great public access, keep toilets simple, and only pass the &amp;quot;costs&amp;quot; of bad-behaviour to those that deserve it.&lt;p&gt;Having ID to take a piss is a bit weird however.</text></item><item><author>runawaybottle</author><text>I’ve actually thought about this a little too much. When I take my dog for long walks, there’s literally no where I can use the bathroom. I can’t even go into a McDonald’s (no dogs). I’m sure homeless people are denied this basic human right everywhere.&lt;p&gt;Our portable bathrooms don’t self clean well enough. We need to think about how to design a better one. I don’t know if that involves building in air vacuums that force pull in everything to avoid clogs, or if we need more high pressure water, or literal acid that floods the floor after someone leaves (self cleans the whole box, and automatically sprays disinfectant, vacuums down all the shit in 2 minutes, then unlocks the door). Maybe have one time plastic bags that seal up and then get flushed down (all automated). Some kind of hosing down of the whole thing with acid is still high on my list.&lt;p&gt;There’s got to be some tech we can make that would make rolling these out the most hygienic thing to do as a society.</text></item><item><author>benjohnson</author><text>The reason there&amp;#x27;s no(few) public bathrooms in the US is that we&amp;#x27;re not allowed to charge for them (with the noble goal of human rights) as opposed to the EU&amp;#x2F;UK.&lt;p&gt;So the first malcontent that spreads feces all over the walls and blocks up the toilet with a syringe gets the whole thing shut down.&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;psmag.com&amp;#x2F;economics&amp;#x2F;dont-pay-toilets-america-bathroom-restroom-free-market-90683&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;psmag.com&amp;#x2F;economics&amp;#x2F;dont-pay-toilets-america-bathroom...&lt;/a&gt;</text></item><item><author>cmckn</author><text>Needing to pee while on the road isn’t totally unique to Amazon drivers; and decades of anti-homeless policies mean there are very few places in many cities where you can just run in to use the bathroom. Many of these drivers operate in the suburbs, where door codes aren’t as common on bathrooms, but it still made me think.&lt;p&gt;(Obviously these drivers are being put under time crunches, hence the bottles, and that &lt;i&gt;is&lt;/i&gt; a separate issue)</text></item></parent_chain></comment><story><title>Amazon acknowledges issue of drivers urinating in bottles in apology</title><url>https://www.reuters.com/article/idUSKBN2BQ0DC</url></story>