<instructions>Your goal is to analyze the following comment and estimate how highly it will be upvoted by the Hacker News community.</instructions><comment><author>bryanlarsen</author><text>The F150 Lightning has a carbon footprint comparable to a Prius.  Not every Lightning sold is replacing a truck, but in general they&amp;#x27;re replacing something considerably larger than a Prius.&lt;p&gt;And coal plants &lt;i&gt;are&lt;/i&gt; being shut down at a very significant rate.&lt;p&gt;The number of ICE vehicles being sold annually is also going down.</text><parent_chain><item><author>lozenge</author><text>&amp;gt;either fake or not impacting climate at all&lt;p&gt;There is no climate benefit to opening a wind farm. The climate benefit comes when a wind farm causes a fossil fuel power plant to be shut down.&lt;p&gt;When you look at what politicians and corporations boast about, it&amp;#x27;s always about adding. New renewables, new solar panels on our roof. Not about taking away fossil fuels.&lt;p&gt;As an example, &amp;quot;carriers reduced their fuel consumption per passenger-kilometer by approximately 39 percent between 2005 and 2019 (pre-COVID-19), a compound annual growth rate of about 3.4 percent per year&amp;quot;. [globally] - you can be sure the industry touts its increased efficiency.&lt;p&gt;But globally, the emissions of the airline industry have gone up, meaning it&amp;#x27;s damaging the climate more than every before. &lt;a href=&quot;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;www.eesi.org&amp;#x2F;papers&amp;#x2F;view&amp;#x2F;fact-sheet-the-growth-in-greenhouse-gas-emissions-from-commercial-aviation&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;www.eesi.org&amp;#x2F;papers&amp;#x2F;view&amp;#x2F;fact-sheet-the-growth-in-gr...&lt;/a&gt;&lt;p&gt;Even with your example - is the new truck going to travel more miles than the previous one? The US is still building urban sprawl by default. Does the owner use the pickup truck or, like most pickup truck owners, they could be use a smaller more efficient vehicle?&lt;p&gt;As in the famous talk &amp;quot;Hans Rosling: the magic washing machine&amp;quot;, we haven&amp;#x27;t done anything to actually reduce emissions. Yet we are sold a narrative of constant progress towards our climate goals.</text></item><item><author>bryanlarsen</author><text>&amp;gt; ALL so called &amp;quot;green&amp;quot; technologies are either fake&lt;p&gt;WTF?  Let&amp;#x27;s take one example, the F-150 Lightning.  When it replaces a gasoline truck sale, it eliminates 150 tons of CO2 from burning gasoline, and about 80 tons of CO2 from drilling, refining and transporting that gasoline.&lt;p&gt;Sure, producing the truck takes a little extra energy, and electricity isn&amp;#x27;t carbon free in most places, but that doesn&amp;#x27;t come anywhere close to 200 tons of CO2.</text></item><item><author>Yizahi</author><text>I&amp;#x27;m always at a loss about people arguing about CO2. Like there is a single graph to rule them all - a so called Keeling Curve, is is freely available to all, it is always monitoring and it is NOT POSSIBLE AT ALL to derive any conclusion from looking at it, other than we are heating the planet fast. Also it is painfully obvious that ALL so called &amp;quot;green&amp;quot; technologies are either fake or not impacting climate at all (especially those &amp;quot;carbon neutral&amp;quot; ones are def. scam, just shuffling emissions like a hot potato game, to other corporations or countries).&lt;p&gt;The rate of CO2 in the atmosphere is increasing every year and the rate of increase (acceleration) is also only increasing every year. It takes one minute to confirm this :)</text></item></parent_chain></comment><story><title>Carbon dioxide now more than 50% higher than pre-industrial levels</title><url>https://www.noaa.gov/news-release/carbon-dioxide-now-more-than-50-higher-than-pre-industrial-levels</url></story>
<instructions>Your goal is to analyze the following comment and estimate how highly it will be upvoted by the Hacker News community.</instructions><comment><author>cameronh90</author><text> &amp;gt; There is no climate benefit to opening a wind farm. The climate benefit comes when a wind farm causes a fossil fuel power plant to be shut down.&lt;p&gt;In many countries, this is exactly what&amp;#x27;s happening.&lt;p&gt;In the UK for example, gas and electricity usage has been declining for the last 15 years. Coal has been almost eliminated from the grid, and renewables now account for about 40% of generation, from less than 10% a decade ago. Overall carbon emissions are below 1890 levels.&lt;p&gt;Obviously we have outsourced some of our emissions but there&amp;#x27;s very clearly a huge reduction that can&amp;#x27;t be entirely explained by that.</text><parent_chain><item><author>lozenge</author><text>&amp;gt;either fake or not impacting climate at all&lt;p&gt;There is no climate benefit to opening a wind farm. The climate benefit comes when a wind farm causes a fossil fuel power plant to be shut down.&lt;p&gt;When you look at what politicians and corporations boast about, it&amp;#x27;s always about adding. New renewables, new solar panels on our roof. Not about taking away fossil fuels.&lt;p&gt;As an example, &amp;quot;carriers reduced their fuel consumption per passenger-kilometer by approximately 39 percent between 2005 and 2019 (pre-COVID-19), a compound annual growth rate of about 3.4 percent per year&amp;quot;. [globally] - you can be sure the industry touts its increased efficiency.&lt;p&gt;But globally, the emissions of the airline industry have gone up, meaning it&amp;#x27;s damaging the climate more than every before. &lt;a href=&quot;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;www.eesi.org&amp;#x2F;papers&amp;#x2F;view&amp;#x2F;fact-sheet-the-growth-in-greenhouse-gas-emissions-from-commercial-aviation&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;www.eesi.org&amp;#x2F;papers&amp;#x2F;view&amp;#x2F;fact-sheet-the-growth-in-gr...&lt;/a&gt;&lt;p&gt;Even with your example - is the new truck going to travel more miles than the previous one? The US is still building urban sprawl by default. Does the owner use the pickup truck or, like most pickup truck owners, they could be use a smaller more efficient vehicle?&lt;p&gt;As in the famous talk &amp;quot;Hans Rosling: the magic washing machine&amp;quot;, we haven&amp;#x27;t done anything to actually reduce emissions. Yet we are sold a narrative of constant progress towards our climate goals.</text></item><item><author>bryanlarsen</author><text>&amp;gt; ALL so called &amp;quot;green&amp;quot; technologies are either fake&lt;p&gt;WTF?  Let&amp;#x27;s take one example, the F-150 Lightning.  When it replaces a gasoline truck sale, it eliminates 150 tons of CO2 from burning gasoline, and about 80 tons of CO2 from drilling, refining and transporting that gasoline.&lt;p&gt;Sure, producing the truck takes a little extra energy, and electricity isn&amp;#x27;t carbon free in most places, but that doesn&amp;#x27;t come anywhere close to 200 tons of CO2.</text></item><item><author>Yizahi</author><text>I&amp;#x27;m always at a loss about people arguing about CO2. Like there is a single graph to rule them all - a so called Keeling Curve, is is freely available to all, it is always monitoring and it is NOT POSSIBLE AT ALL to derive any conclusion from looking at it, other than we are heating the planet fast. Also it is painfully obvious that ALL so called &amp;quot;green&amp;quot; technologies are either fake or not impacting climate at all (especially those &amp;quot;carbon neutral&amp;quot; ones are def. scam, just shuffling emissions like a hot potato game, to other corporations or countries).&lt;p&gt;The rate of CO2 in the atmosphere is increasing every year and the rate of increase (acceleration) is also only increasing every year. It takes one minute to confirm this :)</text></item></parent_chain></comment><story><title>Carbon dioxide now more than 50% higher than pre-industrial levels</title><url>https://www.noaa.gov/news-release/carbon-dioxide-now-more-than-50-higher-than-pre-industrial-levels</url></story>