<instructions>Your goal is to analyze the following comment and estimate how highly it will be upvoted by the Hacker News community.</instructions><comment><author>yamtaddle</author><text>&amp;gt; It&amp;#x27;s probably true; schools are generally run for the benefit and convenience of teachers, not students.&lt;p&gt;This is, emphatically, not even close to true. If someone told you this, they were lying or just had no idea how schools work and were guessing.&lt;p&gt;&amp;gt; early school start times which help teachers at the cost of students&lt;p&gt;A perfect example of how you&amp;#x27;re veering away from reality with your faulty premise: teachers don&amp;#x27;t like super-early starts, either! Except the coaches who like having plenty of time for long after-school practices with the sun still up. Parents of athletes may like it, too, just so only one end of their daily schedule changes when their kids&amp;#x27; sports are in season (as opposed to having to get them in for an early practice, and pick them up late for a late practice, unable to use the school bus for either end). The justification given for keeping it is usually some combo of &amp;quot;parents want it&amp;quot; (&lt;i&gt;do&lt;/i&gt; they? I&amp;#x27;m a parent and I fucking don&amp;#x27;t—but then I don&amp;#x27;t have any high school athletes in my house yet) and, overriding all other concerns, school sports. Adjusting those schedules may also mean elementary kids start earlier so that the high schoolers can start later, because districts want to be able to stagger bus schedules so they need fewer busses—again, &lt;i&gt;not&lt;/i&gt; because teachers are demanding it—which I guess maybe some parents don&amp;#x27;t like (I&amp;#x27;m a parent of elementary kids, and yeah, I&amp;#x27;d like them there earlier and the high school kids later, reverse of how most districts do it, but maybe some parents do in fact want their elementary kids starting at 9 o&amp;#x27;goddamn-clock when they&amp;#x27;ve already burned 1-2 of their most alert hours for the day, and the high schoolers starting before 8:00, for some reason). It &lt;i&gt;is absolutely not&lt;/i&gt; because teachers are demanding to start school before the sun&amp;#x27;s even up in the Winter.</text><parent_chain><item><author>nickff</author><text>It&amp;#x27;s probably true; schools are generally run for the benefit and convenience of teachers, not students. The former have a strong union with outsized influence on local elections, whereas the latter don&amp;#x27;t even vote. The same incentives lead to early school start times which help teachers at the cost of students (particularly teenagers who generally have &amp;#x27;later&amp;#x27; circadian rhythms).</text></item><item><author>kayodelycaon</author><text>Tried this. Was not allowed to switch because it would cause an uneven class size. At least, that&amp;#x27;s what I was told the policy was for.</text></item><item><author>onemoresoop</author><text>That one student should be able to switch to a different group. If all want to switch then there&amp;#x27;s a problem with the instructor.&lt;p&gt;Let&amp;#x27;s look at the opposite end of the spectrum. Student loves an instructor but is needlessly switched to someone new. My point though is that the flexibility to change or stay in the same group should exist.</text></item><item><author>lumost</author><text>This seems like a practice that would work for some students and hurt others. Some students may not do well with a particular teacher.  Being stuck for years with that teacher is a disservice to the student.</text></item></parent_chain></comment><story><title>Benefits of ‘looping’ kids with teachers for multiple years</title><url>https://www.newsnationnow.com/solutions/benefits-of-looping-kids-with-teachers-for-multiple-years/</url></story>
<instructions>Your goal is to analyze the following comment and estimate how highly it will be upvoted by the Hacker News community.</instructions><comment><author>8note</author><text>My understanding is that schools are run for the convenience of administrators, who want metrics based performance to look at like butts in seats, test scores, cost per student, etc</text><parent_chain><item><author>nickff</author><text>It&amp;#x27;s probably true; schools are generally run for the benefit and convenience of teachers, not students. The former have a strong union with outsized influence on local elections, whereas the latter don&amp;#x27;t even vote. The same incentives lead to early school start times which help teachers at the cost of students (particularly teenagers who generally have &amp;#x27;later&amp;#x27; circadian rhythms).</text></item><item><author>kayodelycaon</author><text>Tried this. Was not allowed to switch because it would cause an uneven class size. At least, that&amp;#x27;s what I was told the policy was for.</text></item><item><author>onemoresoop</author><text>That one student should be able to switch to a different group. If all want to switch then there&amp;#x27;s a problem with the instructor.&lt;p&gt;Let&amp;#x27;s look at the opposite end of the spectrum. Student loves an instructor but is needlessly switched to someone new. My point though is that the flexibility to change or stay in the same group should exist.</text></item><item><author>lumost</author><text>This seems like a practice that would work for some students and hurt others. Some students may not do well with a particular teacher.  Being stuck for years with that teacher is a disservice to the student.</text></item></parent_chain></comment><story><title>Benefits of ‘looping’ kids with teachers for multiple years</title><url>https://www.newsnationnow.com/solutions/benefits-of-looping-kids-with-teachers-for-multiple-years/</url></story>