<instructions>Your goal is to analyze the following comment and estimate how highly it will be upvoted by the Hacker News community.</instructions><comment><author>realbarack</author><text>It&amp;#x27;s really not. These bells aren&amp;#x27;t that loud, you really only hear them  once the cyclist is maybe 50 yards away. It&amp;#x27;s an incredibly important safety feature on low-visibility singletracks.</text><parent_chain><item><author>tester89</author><text>&amp;gt; it&amp;#x27;s like a cowbell that rings constantly (while you are moving)&lt;p&gt;This is horrific, so much unnecessary noise pollution.</text></item><item><author>midnightclubbed</author><text>The bell I recommended isn&amp;#x27;t one you ring - it&amp;#x27;s like a cowbell that rings constantly (while you are moving) and lets people know you are coming before they can see you.  Basic trail etiquette.&lt;p&gt;I have nothing against hikers (would be hypocritical as someone who trail-runs) and blasting past people on a crowded path (or at all) is an idiot move.  But on a single track trail people can come up on you really quick, 10km&amp;#x2F;h is a brisk jog so a 15km&amp;#x2F;h (4m&amp;#x2F;s) delta V isn&amp;#x27;t exactly fast.&lt;p&gt;My local trails are way quieter at 3pm (most people are in work and temperatures are still hot) than at 7am (pre-work dog walkers and exercisers).  Saturday 7AM is literally the worse time in SoCal - big groups of riders and local running clubs all hit the trails Saturday morning.  Guess it is varies by region but no matter the time I&amp;#x27;d want to give other trail users the maximum oppertunity to know I was there so we can all be safe.&lt;p&gt;For the record I don&amp;#x27;t want to ride my bike fast on multi-use paths at any time of the day, not sure why you thought I did.  If I ride fast it is on bike focussed routes (accessed via the multi-use trails).</text></item><item><author>yarcob</author><text>I definitely prefer a bicycle bell to getting yelled at from behind.&lt;p&gt;But you know what would be even nicer? If bikers had the curtesy to slow down a bit when the trail &amp;#x2F; path is crowded.&lt;p&gt;I also love riding fast. I understand that crowded paths are annoying. But when I see that the path is full of people, I don&amp;#x27;t start ringing my bell, or hollering &amp;quot;on your left&amp;quot; or &amp;quot;attention&amp;quot; at the people in front of me, I just slow down. There is no curteous way to pass someone with delta V of 15km&amp;#x2F;h on a narrow path.&lt;p&gt;If I want to ride fast, I pick a time when the paths aren&amp;#x27;t crowded. I don&amp;#x27;t understand why everyone wants to race their bikes on multi use paths on a sunny afternoon at 3PM when everyone else is outside too.&lt;p&gt;Try riding eg. Saturday at 7AM and you&amp;#x27;ll have the world to yourself and you can go as fast as you like.</text></item><item><author>midnightclubbed</author><text>More importantly that bar ends is the comment &amp;quot;Today, you have a higher chance of seeing a bell on a modern mountain bike than a set of bar ends&amp;quot;...
If there is one thing every MTB rider should have on their bike it is a bell.  With trail usage way up having a bell is not just a curtesy to other bikers&amp;#x2F;hikers but an important safety feature.
Big fan of the Timber bell, but anything that lets other trail user know you are approaching works just fine.&lt;p&gt;And anyone who is out on the trails with headphones... you still won&amp;#x27;t hear a bike bell, but then you won&amp;#x27;t hear a rattle-snake either.</text></item></parent_chain></comment><story><title>Why did bar ends go away from mountain bikes?</title><url>https://brainybiker.com/why-did-bar-ends-go-away-from-mountain-bikes-the-nostalgia-is-real/</url></story>
<instructions>Your goal is to analyze the following comment and estimate how highly it will be upvoted by the Hacker News community.</instructions><comment><author>midnightclubbed</author><text>It&amp;#x27;s not that bad at all, and stops when you are not moving.  I&amp;#x27;d say it has maybe a 20m range so it&amp;#x27;s not like people can hear you from the other side of the mountain.&lt;p&gt;I do agree it adds noise to (potentially) tranquil trails but imho its a good safety trade-off.  Way better than people who insist on blasting music from their phone speakers or conference call while walking.</text><parent_chain><item><author>tester89</author><text>&amp;gt; it&amp;#x27;s like a cowbell that rings constantly (while you are moving)&lt;p&gt;This is horrific, so much unnecessary noise pollution.</text></item><item><author>midnightclubbed</author><text>The bell I recommended isn&amp;#x27;t one you ring - it&amp;#x27;s like a cowbell that rings constantly (while you are moving) and lets people know you are coming before they can see you.  Basic trail etiquette.&lt;p&gt;I have nothing against hikers (would be hypocritical as someone who trail-runs) and blasting past people on a crowded path (or at all) is an idiot move.  But on a single track trail people can come up on you really quick, 10km&amp;#x2F;h is a brisk jog so a 15km&amp;#x2F;h (4m&amp;#x2F;s) delta V isn&amp;#x27;t exactly fast.&lt;p&gt;My local trails are way quieter at 3pm (most people are in work and temperatures are still hot) than at 7am (pre-work dog walkers and exercisers).  Saturday 7AM is literally the worse time in SoCal - big groups of riders and local running clubs all hit the trails Saturday morning.  Guess it is varies by region but no matter the time I&amp;#x27;d want to give other trail users the maximum oppertunity to know I was there so we can all be safe.&lt;p&gt;For the record I don&amp;#x27;t want to ride my bike fast on multi-use paths at any time of the day, not sure why you thought I did.  If I ride fast it is on bike focussed routes (accessed via the multi-use trails).</text></item><item><author>yarcob</author><text>I definitely prefer a bicycle bell to getting yelled at from behind.&lt;p&gt;But you know what would be even nicer? If bikers had the curtesy to slow down a bit when the trail &amp;#x2F; path is crowded.&lt;p&gt;I also love riding fast. I understand that crowded paths are annoying. But when I see that the path is full of people, I don&amp;#x27;t start ringing my bell, or hollering &amp;quot;on your left&amp;quot; or &amp;quot;attention&amp;quot; at the people in front of me, I just slow down. There is no curteous way to pass someone with delta V of 15km&amp;#x2F;h on a narrow path.&lt;p&gt;If I want to ride fast, I pick a time when the paths aren&amp;#x27;t crowded. I don&amp;#x27;t understand why everyone wants to race their bikes on multi use paths on a sunny afternoon at 3PM when everyone else is outside too.&lt;p&gt;Try riding eg. Saturday at 7AM and you&amp;#x27;ll have the world to yourself and you can go as fast as you like.</text></item><item><author>midnightclubbed</author><text>More importantly that bar ends is the comment &amp;quot;Today, you have a higher chance of seeing a bell on a modern mountain bike than a set of bar ends&amp;quot;...
If there is one thing every MTB rider should have on their bike it is a bell.  With trail usage way up having a bell is not just a curtesy to other bikers&amp;#x2F;hikers but an important safety feature.
Big fan of the Timber bell, but anything that lets other trail user know you are approaching works just fine.&lt;p&gt;And anyone who is out on the trails with headphones... you still won&amp;#x27;t hear a bike bell, but then you won&amp;#x27;t hear a rattle-snake either.</text></item></parent_chain></comment><story><title>Why did bar ends go away from mountain bikes?</title><url>https://brainybiker.com/why-did-bar-ends-go-away-from-mountain-bikes-the-nostalgia-is-real/</url></story>