<instructions>Your goal is to analyze the following comment and estimate how highly it will be upvoted by the Hacker News community.</instructions><comment><author>murgindrag</author><text>It&amp;#x27;s not about practicality. A Formula 1 car or high-performance sailboat has no practical value, but I trust engineers far more than kindergartners about Formula 1 or yacht design. On the other hand, I&amp;#x27;ve seen gifted kindergartners draw things which I thought were pretty good -- on par with some respected artists.&lt;p&gt;It&amp;#x27;s about having real-world validation. Anyone can have an opinion about art and literature. If your opinion happens to mirror the opinions of English department academics -- just clever enough to be a new twist, but not so brilliant as to go outside of the culture -- you can get a position as a scholar, and keep writing papers within a mutual appreciation society of academics all thinking roughly the same thoughts. Eventually, the whole crew goes down one rabbithole or other.&lt;p&gt;A group of thousands of self-supporting, mutually reaffirming &amp;quot;intelligent scholars, designers, artists, philosophers, and religious figures&amp;quot; doesn&amp;#x27;t make that opinion any more right or valid than my own.&lt;p&gt;On the other hand, if an engineer can make the fastest sailboat, that&amp;#x27;s external real-world validation that they got something right.&lt;p&gt;As a subtle point, I&amp;#x27;ll trust the opinion of filmmakers who receive public acclaim (external validation). I&amp;#x27;ll trust the opinion of filmmakers of niche artistic films a lot less. That is to say, I&amp;#x27;ll trust them about the technical aspects (what aperture means, or how to edit a video), but not about the artistic aspects: how you use film as a medium for communication, expression, and so on. A big part of communication and art is understanding the audience, and they haven&amp;#x27;t demonstrated they can do that, at least outside of their own clique.</text><parent_chain><item><author>keiferski</author><text>&amp;gt; but everyone has equal legitimacy in their opinion on this.&lt;p&gt;Why is everyone&amp;#x27;s opinion equal? When building a bridge, is the opinion of a civil engineer equal to that of a cook? No, clearly not - but we only recognize this because the effects of building faulty bridges are obvious and immediately noticeable, whereas the effects of cultural ignorance are far more subtle and wide-reaching.&lt;p&gt;The fields of art and aesthetics have a long, complex history and have been studied and written upon by thousands of intelligent scholars, designers, artists, philosophers, and religious figures. Unfortunately, the default opinion among society today (which you yourself are echoing) is just a sort of ignorant relativism - everyone&amp;#x27;s opinion on art (and anything else that isn&amp;#x27;t &amp;#x27;practical&amp;#x27;) has the same value and the topic is fundamentally just a popularity contest.&lt;p&gt;Worse yet, this opinion wasn&amp;#x27;t arrived at by carefully considering all the approaches to art and choosing subjectivity as the best option, which it may actually be (but that isn&amp;#x27;t my point.) Instead, it was arrived at by simple ignorance.</text></item><item><author>endorphone</author><text>&amp;quot;As a person with personal interest in visual arts&amp;quot;&lt;p&gt;With all due respects, isn&amp;#x27;t this an entirely meaningless saying? Everyone has an interest in aesthetics and visual appeal, and has a subjective opinion on what they find appealing. We are a social species so invariably people infect each other&amp;#x27;s opinion so we have trends and movements towards&amp;#x2F;from opinions, but everyone has equal legitimacy in their opinion on this.&lt;p&gt;As to the CyberTrck it&amp;#x27;s worth noting that its design seems a restriction of material limitations rather than an intentional pursuit. As with the Delorean before, they started with the conclusion that they would use stainless steel and virtually every design decision was bound by that beginning.</text></item><item><author>loa_in_</author><text>As a person with personal interest in visual arts I never have seen the appeal of appearance of many popular &amp;quot;great looking&amp;quot; cars of today&amp;#x27;s variety. Even muscle cars and luxury models.&lt;p&gt;Cars up to 70&amp;#x27;s and 80&amp;#x27;s were really nice and aesthetically pleasing, and I find the Elon Musk&amp;#x27;s vision to be really nice and refreshing.&lt;p&gt;It might be that I&amp;#x27;m partial to science fiction in general, but I really would like to see this vision developed further.</text></item></parent_chain></comment><story><title>The Cybertruck is not brutalist</title><url>https://www.inverse.com/article/61479-cybertruck-brutalism-not-really</url></story>
<instructions>Your goal is to analyze the following comment and estimate how highly it will be upvoted by the Hacker News community.</instructions><comment><author>Isinlor</author><text>You take position of authority, criticize, but you are not educating.&lt;p&gt;&amp;gt; The fields of art and aesthetics have a long, complex history and have been studied and written upon by thousands of intelligent scholars, designers, artists, philosophers, and religious figures.&lt;p&gt;So, let me ask you, why should I care?&lt;p&gt;I care about design e.g. &amp;quot;The Design of Everyday Things&amp;quot;: &lt;a href=&quot;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;www.youtube.com&amp;#x2F;watch?v=yY96hTb8WgI&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;www.youtube.com&amp;#x2F;watch?v=yY96hTb8WgI&lt;/a&gt;&lt;p&gt;But what is it about aesthetics that is not subjective?</text><parent_chain><item><author>keiferski</author><text>&amp;gt; but everyone has equal legitimacy in their opinion on this.&lt;p&gt;Why is everyone&amp;#x27;s opinion equal? When building a bridge, is the opinion of a civil engineer equal to that of a cook? No, clearly not - but we only recognize this because the effects of building faulty bridges are obvious and immediately noticeable, whereas the effects of cultural ignorance are far more subtle and wide-reaching.&lt;p&gt;The fields of art and aesthetics have a long, complex history and have been studied and written upon by thousands of intelligent scholars, designers, artists, philosophers, and religious figures. Unfortunately, the default opinion among society today (which you yourself are echoing) is just a sort of ignorant relativism - everyone&amp;#x27;s opinion on art (and anything else that isn&amp;#x27;t &amp;#x27;practical&amp;#x27;) has the same value and the topic is fundamentally just a popularity contest.&lt;p&gt;Worse yet, this opinion wasn&amp;#x27;t arrived at by carefully considering all the approaches to art and choosing subjectivity as the best option, which it may actually be (but that isn&amp;#x27;t my point.) Instead, it was arrived at by simple ignorance.</text></item><item><author>endorphone</author><text>&amp;quot;As a person with personal interest in visual arts&amp;quot;&lt;p&gt;With all due respects, isn&amp;#x27;t this an entirely meaningless saying? Everyone has an interest in aesthetics and visual appeal, and has a subjective opinion on what they find appealing. We are a social species so invariably people infect each other&amp;#x27;s opinion so we have trends and movements towards&amp;#x2F;from opinions, but everyone has equal legitimacy in their opinion on this.&lt;p&gt;As to the CyberTrck it&amp;#x27;s worth noting that its design seems a restriction of material limitations rather than an intentional pursuit. As with the Delorean before, they started with the conclusion that they would use stainless steel and virtually every design decision was bound by that beginning.</text></item><item><author>loa_in_</author><text>As a person with personal interest in visual arts I never have seen the appeal of appearance of many popular &amp;quot;great looking&amp;quot; cars of today&amp;#x27;s variety. Even muscle cars and luxury models.&lt;p&gt;Cars up to 70&amp;#x27;s and 80&amp;#x27;s were really nice and aesthetically pleasing, and I find the Elon Musk&amp;#x27;s vision to be really nice and refreshing.&lt;p&gt;It might be that I&amp;#x27;m partial to science fiction in general, but I really would like to see this vision developed further.</text></item></parent_chain></comment><story><title>The Cybertruck is not brutalist</title><url>https://www.inverse.com/article/61479-cybertruck-brutalism-not-really</url></story>