<instructions>Your goal is to analyze the following comment and estimate how highly it will be upvoted by the Hacker News community.</instructions><comment><author>turtle4</author><text>There are no perfect alternatives, just imperfect ones.&lt;p&gt;Apple has their own issues, but they&amp;#x27;ve claimed that their business is selling you a device and software and media to run on it, and making their money from that as opposed to reselling your data. Everything they&amp;#x27;ve been doing lately supports that stance, and they&amp;#x27;ve already recognized it as a differentiation, hence the way they have been up-playing the privacy features of their devices lately. Since they aren&amp;#x27;t selling you as much after the fact, they are going to charge you more up-front, and since they make their money selling software, they&amp;#x27;re obsessed with controlling the marketplace.&lt;p&gt;Google gives away software and media, and sells your personal data and advertising. They&amp;#x27;re showing increasingly that they don&amp;#x27;t care about your privacy if it affects their bottom line.&lt;p&gt;You have to decide which of those business models you support, and then support it. There&amp;#x27;s no third model where a business gives everything away &lt;i&gt;and&lt;/i&gt; cares about your privacy. That&amp;#x27;s inconsistent with a bottom line of making money, and at the end of the day that is what the business is trying to do.&lt;p&gt;For a while Google gave the &lt;i&gt;impression&lt;/i&gt; that they cared, until they established a large enough market, and now you&amp;#x27;re seeing them make the natural transition. They&amp;#x27;ve grew their cash cow by giving away stuff, now they are milking it.&lt;p&gt;Any rational company with their business model is going to do the same thing though, so if you jump ship to another ecosystem now selling you a business model that is too good to be true, don&amp;#x27;t be surprised down the line when that proves to be the case.</text><parent_chain><item><author>Carpetsmoker</author><text>What&amp;#x27;s the alternative to Android though? Apple has its own well-documented issues, as well as a rather large price-tag. I just use my phone for maps and some chat services, don&amp;#x27;t need a very fancy phone. Even the iPhone 7 is listed at £449, which is already £150 more than I paid for my Sony Xperia.&lt;p&gt;I wish stuff like HP WebOS or Meego was still alive, but as far as I know, Apple and Google are the only serious players in town at the moment :-(</text></item><item><author>ux-app</author><text>Dropping chrome is not enough. Switch to bing (Just as good as G), or ddg if you really want. Then ditch android which is the spy in your pocket. If you&amp;#x27;re installing G analytics for clients then choose an alternative (I&amp;#x27;m open to suggestions here).&lt;p&gt;It&amp;#x27;s really time to disentangle ourselves from google. They&amp;#x27;ve quietly and effectively insinuated themselves across the web. Enough is enough.</text></item><item><author>mangecoeur</author><text>Seriously don&amp;#x27;t know why anyone is surprised that a browser built by an ad-tech company pushes the user tracking tech of that company.&lt;p&gt;Just use Firefox and have done with it - there&amp;#x27;s been a series of these kinds of posts over the last couple of days with people suggesting insane workaround hacks instead of just changing their browser.&lt;p&gt;P.S. if you keep chrome because some websites only work properly there, maybe y&amp;#x27;all should follow standards at work instead of targeting a proprietary browser like its 2001&amp;#x2F;IE6 again.</text></item></parent_chain></comment><story><title>Chrome 69 will keep Google Cookies when you tell it to delete all cookies</title><url>https://twitter.com/ctavan/status/1044282084020441088</url></story>
<instructions>Your goal is to analyze the following comment and estimate how highly it will be upvoted by the Hacker News community.</instructions><comment><author>JulienSchmidt</author><text>Android (the Android Open Source Project) itself is not the Problem. It&amp;#x27;s the lock-in ecosystem that Google tries to establish with the Google Services Framework, Play Store and the like. What is missing, is an open and privacy-friendly alternative to GSF. Without GSF we don&amp;#x27;t have efficient push notifications (Firebase Cloud Messaging), a geolocation provider, a maps API etc.&lt;p&gt;Personally, I have been using microG (&lt;a href=&quot;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;microg.org&amp;#x2F;&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;microg.org&amp;#x2F;&lt;/a&gt;) instead of GSF on my phone for many years now. However, that is still just a partial solution. While it does its best to be privacy-friendly and does not have any integrated tracking &amp;#x2F; analytics like GSF, it still has to use Google&amp;#x27;s servers for push notifications, thus tracking is still possible to some degree.</text><parent_chain><item><author>Carpetsmoker</author><text>What&amp;#x27;s the alternative to Android though? Apple has its own well-documented issues, as well as a rather large price-tag. I just use my phone for maps and some chat services, don&amp;#x27;t need a very fancy phone. Even the iPhone 7 is listed at £449, which is already £150 more than I paid for my Sony Xperia.&lt;p&gt;I wish stuff like HP WebOS or Meego was still alive, but as far as I know, Apple and Google are the only serious players in town at the moment :-(</text></item><item><author>ux-app</author><text>Dropping chrome is not enough. Switch to bing (Just as good as G), or ddg if you really want. Then ditch android which is the spy in your pocket. If you&amp;#x27;re installing G analytics for clients then choose an alternative (I&amp;#x27;m open to suggestions here).&lt;p&gt;It&amp;#x27;s really time to disentangle ourselves from google. They&amp;#x27;ve quietly and effectively insinuated themselves across the web. Enough is enough.</text></item><item><author>mangecoeur</author><text>Seriously don&amp;#x27;t know why anyone is surprised that a browser built by an ad-tech company pushes the user tracking tech of that company.&lt;p&gt;Just use Firefox and have done with it - there&amp;#x27;s been a series of these kinds of posts over the last couple of days with people suggesting insane workaround hacks instead of just changing their browser.&lt;p&gt;P.S. if you keep chrome because some websites only work properly there, maybe y&amp;#x27;all should follow standards at work instead of targeting a proprietary browser like its 2001&amp;#x2F;IE6 again.</text></item></parent_chain></comment><story><title>Chrome 69 will keep Google Cookies when you tell it to delete all cookies</title><url>https://twitter.com/ctavan/status/1044282084020441088</url></story>