<instructions>Your goal is to analyze the following comment and estimate how highly it will be upvoted by the Hacker News community.</instructions><comment><author>mrtksn</author><text>Europe has some successful international projects like CERN or Airbus. Besides, what are the other options?&lt;p&gt;Europe is in this strange place where collectively account for enormous wealth and power but individually no country is a match to the big boys like USA&amp;#x2F;China when simultaneously are super unoptimised  due to cultural&amp;#x2F;lingual differences.&lt;p&gt;The younger Europeans I met were all very eager to learn English, so who knows, maybe as the UK is out of the EU the English language can become the lingua franca with less resistance as it is no ones language(Well, there are the Irish but it&amp;#x27;s a small country).&lt;p&gt;At the end of the day, those large Eurpoean projects bring a lot of good. Be it political or simply keeping some talent in Europe. I am also hopeful for some competition from the UK :) Since the collapse of the USSR, finally there&amp;#x27;s a competition.</text><parent_chain><item><author>rossdavidh</author><text>So, as someone who used to be an engineer in semiconductor manufacturing facilities, this reminds me a lot of Sematech.  That was a joint venture between American companies in the 90&amp;#x27;s, when there was a concern that we were falling behind Japan.  I&amp;#x27;m sure there will be people who try to claim otherwise, but my view from inside AMD (at that time still doing its own manufacturing) was that nothing much ever came out of Sematech.  It was a lot of hype, but not much result.&lt;p&gt;If, at the time of the founding of TSMC, you had tried to get a consortium of companies, much less nations, to agree on the idea of a semiconductor foundry, you would not have been able to get agreement to do it.  Consortiums can help to pool resources when everyone knows what needs doing, but even Intel has had a problem getting the latest generation of semi manufacturing going, and their problem sure wasn&amp;#x27;t a lack of resources.  Sometimes the problem is the speed of innovation, and the more parties you have involved the harder it is to get agreement to try any given thing, especially if it is innovative (i.e. not certain to work).&lt;p&gt;I wish them good fortune, it would be good for the stability of the world economy not to have all the world&amp;#x27;s advanced semiconductors made in one region, but I am skeptical of whether or not this can make a big difference, no matter how much money is spent.</text></item></parent_chain></comment><story><title>EU countries team up for semiconductor push</title><url>https://www.reuters.com/article/eu-tech-semiconductor-idUSKBN28H1HV</url></story>
<instructions>Your goal is to analyze the following comment and estimate how highly it will be upvoted by the Hacker News community.</instructions><comment><author>MangoCoffee</author><text>&amp;gt;If, at the time of the founding of TSMC, you had tried to get a consortium of companies, much less nations, to agree on the idea of a semiconductor foundry, you would not have been able to get agreement to do it. Consortiums can help to pool resources when everyone knows what needs doing&lt;p&gt;TSMC or its ecosystem is already like a consortium.&lt;p&gt;this semiwiki article point that out.&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;semiwiki.com&amp;#x2F;semiconductor-manufacturers&amp;#x2F;intel&amp;#x2F;293645-how-intel-stumbled-a-perspective-from-the-trenches&amp;#x2F;&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;semiwiki.com&amp;#x2F;semiconductor-manufacturers&amp;#x2F;intel&amp;#x2F;29364...&lt;/a&gt;&lt;p&gt;&amp;quot;TSMC, for example, has a massive ecosystem of partners and customers who together spend trillions of dollars on research and development for the greater good of the fabless semiconductor ecosystem. There is also an inner circle of partners and customers that TSMC intimately collaborates with on new process development and deployment. This includes Apple of course, AMD, Arm, Applied Materials, ASML, Cadence, and Synopsys just to name a few.&amp;quot;&lt;p&gt;TSMC hand out their kit to their partners on their node process.&lt;p&gt;bottom line: fabless no longer just simply toss design over to the foundry.</text><parent_chain><item><author>rossdavidh</author><text>So, as someone who used to be an engineer in semiconductor manufacturing facilities, this reminds me a lot of Sematech.  That was a joint venture between American companies in the 90&amp;#x27;s, when there was a concern that we were falling behind Japan.  I&amp;#x27;m sure there will be people who try to claim otherwise, but my view from inside AMD (at that time still doing its own manufacturing) was that nothing much ever came out of Sematech.  It was a lot of hype, but not much result.&lt;p&gt;If, at the time of the founding of TSMC, you had tried to get a consortium of companies, much less nations, to agree on the idea of a semiconductor foundry, you would not have been able to get agreement to do it.  Consortiums can help to pool resources when everyone knows what needs doing, but even Intel has had a problem getting the latest generation of semi manufacturing going, and their problem sure wasn&amp;#x27;t a lack of resources.  Sometimes the problem is the speed of innovation, and the more parties you have involved the harder it is to get agreement to try any given thing, especially if it is innovative (i.e. not certain to work).&lt;p&gt;I wish them good fortune, it would be good for the stability of the world economy not to have all the world&amp;#x27;s advanced semiconductors made in one region, but I am skeptical of whether or not this can make a big difference, no matter how much money is spent.</text></item></parent_chain></comment><story><title>EU countries team up for semiconductor push</title><url>https://www.reuters.com/article/eu-tech-semiconductor-idUSKBN28H1HV</url></story>