<instructions>Your goal is to analyze the following comment and estimate how highly it will be upvoted by the Hacker News community.</instructions><comment><author>jorisw</author><text>What would you need remote KVM/IP for? If your ssh ever dies, you can reboot the thing into rescue mode, log in over remote console, fix whatever&apos;s broken, and reboot the system.&lt;p&gt;I have been using an older server offer of theirs for years now, and never had to pay for anything other than the said fee.</text><parent_chain><item><author>LogicX</author><text>My issue with Hetzner is that by the time you add in management options necessary for a remote dedicated server, your monthly cost isn&apos;t that much better than other options.&lt;p&gt;Example: To have remote KVM/IP you&apos;d need to first pay 15EUR for their flexipack for the privilege of adding additional features.
then 19EUR mo and 149 EUR setup for KVM/IP
Now you&apos;re up to $122USD/mo + almost $400USD for setup.&lt;p&gt;Compare to Incero&apos;s WebHostingTalk offer: &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.webhostingtalk.com/showthread.php?t=1121998&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.webhostingtalk.com/showthread.php?t=1121998&lt;/a&gt; which is $99/mo paid in quarterly batches. Which is server grade, better CPU, ECC RAM, with KVM/IP and is in the US (Texas).&lt;p&gt;Hetzner is still cheaper overall with the 32GB -- because they&apos;re not dealing with much more expensive server class ECC RAM, but I just feel its important to bring the initial low number you see: 59 to a realistic place...</text></item></parent_chain></comment><story><title>Hetzner introduces new server product with insane parameters for 59 EUR/mth</title><url>http://www.hetzner.de/en/hosting/produkte_rootserver/ex4s</url></story>
<instructions>Your goal is to analyze the following comment and estimate how highly it will be upvoted by the Hacker News community.</instructions><comment><author>sek</author><text>Don&apos;t forget it is incl. VAT, that means it really costs 19% less for foreign and business customers.&lt;p&gt;Edit: 59.00/1.19 = 49.58 (it really is minus 16%, my old accounting teacher would kill me ;-)</text><parent_chain><item><author>LogicX</author><text>My issue with Hetzner is that by the time you add in management options necessary for a remote dedicated server, your monthly cost isn&apos;t that much better than other options.&lt;p&gt;Example: To have remote KVM/IP you&apos;d need to first pay 15EUR for their flexipack for the privilege of adding additional features.
then 19EUR mo and 149 EUR setup for KVM/IP
Now you&apos;re up to $122USD/mo + almost $400USD for setup.&lt;p&gt;Compare to Incero&apos;s WebHostingTalk offer: &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.webhostingtalk.com/showthread.php?t=1121998&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.webhostingtalk.com/showthread.php?t=1121998&lt;/a&gt; which is $99/mo paid in quarterly batches. Which is server grade, better CPU, ECC RAM, with KVM/IP and is in the US (Texas).&lt;p&gt;Hetzner is still cheaper overall with the 32GB -- because they&apos;re not dealing with much more expensive server class ECC RAM, but I just feel its important to bring the initial low number you see: 59 to a realistic place...</text></item></parent_chain></comment><story><title>Hetzner introduces new server product with insane parameters for 59 EUR/mth</title><url>http://www.hetzner.de/en/hosting/produkte_rootserver/ex4s</url></story>