<instructions>Your goal is to analyze the following comment and estimate how highly it will be upvoted by the Hacker News community.</instructions><comment><author>noahtallen</author><text>Your concept is predicated on the assumption that there is and always will be a supply of living-wage jobs provided by “the market” equal to the number of people alive. That’s probably a wrong assumption to make.&lt;p&gt;And, what if everyone followed your advice to abandon low wage jobs and just get better ones?&lt;p&gt;- People need a living wage to, well, live.&lt;p&gt;- Therefore, all people should get better jobs so that they have living wages (instead of working 3 jobs or relying on welfare)&lt;p&gt;- As a result, there are no workers for low wage jobs.&lt;p&gt;- But everyone relies on these jobs constantly for the menial tasks we don’t like to do ourselves (like cooking or cleaning or farming or building things)&lt;p&gt;- So we do in fact value these jobs enough for people to work them. Otherwise our lives would be less comfortable.&lt;p&gt;As a result, we should actually be bringing the wages of these jobs up (to make them living-wage jobs) rather having everyone abandon these jobs for other high paying jobs which don’t actually exist.&lt;p&gt;I want to (eventually) eat out at a restaurant, and there aren’t enough teenagers to be waiters everywhere. So do I just say to every waiter that they should “get a better job”, and eventually run out of waiters? Ridiculous. I propose that if someone cannot make a living off of the service they provide, then we should examine whether we would rather do it ourselves all the time. If we do think it’s a valuable service, I’d hope we’d be willing to compensate in a non-exploitative way.</text><parent_chain><item><author>judgemcjudgy</author><text>It&amp;#x27;s not &amp;quot;the system&amp;quot; that is broken in that case, just your personal life. There is no system that provides for you, you have to do that yourself.&lt;p&gt;Edit: I think &amp;quot;get a better job&amp;quot; is a better argument than &amp;quot;I am such a victim, there is nothing I can do, everybody else is at fault&amp;quot;. What else than getting a better job can you do? Seriously? And you don&amp;#x27;t need better education or stuff like that. If you work three jobs, maybe you can replace them with a normal job in a factory line or whatever. Just because you don&amp;#x27;t immediately get bestowed with your ideal job, doesn&amp;#x27;t mean that everything is hopeless and society is exploiting you. Most people don&amp;#x27;t start out with their ideal job.&lt;p&gt;Jobs don&amp;#x27;t fall from the sky. And nobody owes you a job. If there are no jobs in your area, you should move to someplace where there are jobs (maybe because a new Amazon warehouse opens or whatever). Yes, there can be circumstances where you can&amp;#x27;t move, like perhaps having to take care of sick relatives. But those are also temporary.</text></item><item><author>theshrike79</author><text>Needing to work 18 hours a day to live is not normal.&lt;p&gt;The problem is not alarm clocks, the whole system is broken if you need to work 12+ hours a day just to keep a roof over your head and food on the table.</text></item><item><author>gerbler</author><text>I don&amp;#x27;t disagree with the premise, but there is an enormous luxury in having this option.&lt;p&gt;If you work two low-paid jobs, you are time poor. My partner used to work three jobs at one point in her life, getting up at 5am, and finishing at 11pm. An alarm clock is needed due to sleep deprivation.&lt;p&gt;Perhaps a different framing is &amp;quot;kill low-wage jobs&amp;quot;? I&amp;#x27;m being facetious but alarm clocks are not inherently bad, low-wages and long hours are.</text></item></parent_chain></comment><story><title>Kill the Alarm Clock (2017)</title><url>https://supermemo.guru/wiki/Kill_the_alarm_clock</url></story>
<instructions>Your goal is to analyze the following comment and estimate how highly it will be upvoted by the Hacker News community.</instructions><comment><author>theshrike79</author><text>A single full-time job should pay enough for a person to be able to have a place to live and sufficient food to provide a healthy amount calories for themselves and their dependants.&lt;p&gt;If this it not possible, the system itself is broken, either rent&amp;#x2F;food is too expensive, wages are too low or both.</text><parent_chain><item><author>judgemcjudgy</author><text>It&amp;#x27;s not &amp;quot;the system&amp;quot; that is broken in that case, just your personal life. There is no system that provides for you, you have to do that yourself.&lt;p&gt;Edit: I think &amp;quot;get a better job&amp;quot; is a better argument than &amp;quot;I am such a victim, there is nothing I can do, everybody else is at fault&amp;quot;. What else than getting a better job can you do? Seriously? And you don&amp;#x27;t need better education or stuff like that. If you work three jobs, maybe you can replace them with a normal job in a factory line or whatever. Just because you don&amp;#x27;t immediately get bestowed with your ideal job, doesn&amp;#x27;t mean that everything is hopeless and society is exploiting you. Most people don&amp;#x27;t start out with their ideal job.&lt;p&gt;Jobs don&amp;#x27;t fall from the sky. And nobody owes you a job. If there are no jobs in your area, you should move to someplace where there are jobs (maybe because a new Amazon warehouse opens or whatever). Yes, there can be circumstances where you can&amp;#x27;t move, like perhaps having to take care of sick relatives. But those are also temporary.</text></item><item><author>theshrike79</author><text>Needing to work 18 hours a day to live is not normal.&lt;p&gt;The problem is not alarm clocks, the whole system is broken if you need to work 12+ hours a day just to keep a roof over your head and food on the table.</text></item><item><author>gerbler</author><text>I don&amp;#x27;t disagree with the premise, but there is an enormous luxury in having this option.&lt;p&gt;If you work two low-paid jobs, you are time poor. My partner used to work three jobs at one point in her life, getting up at 5am, and finishing at 11pm. An alarm clock is needed due to sleep deprivation.&lt;p&gt;Perhaps a different framing is &amp;quot;kill low-wage jobs&amp;quot;? I&amp;#x27;m being facetious but alarm clocks are not inherently bad, low-wages and long hours are.</text></item></parent_chain></comment><story><title>Kill the Alarm Clock (2017)</title><url>https://supermemo.guru/wiki/Kill_the_alarm_clock</url></story>