<instructions>Your goal is to analyze the following comment and estimate how highly it will be upvoted by the Hacker News community.</instructions><comment><author>0xffff2</author><text>There is, it&amp;#x27;s just not talked about much. It is incredibly hard to run your own email server today because even if you follow all of the rules the big players will often refuse to accept your emails (i.e. defederate your email server).</text><parent_chain><item><author>SoftTalker</author><text>What is the practical effect on the user of an instance being &amp;quot;defederated?&amp;quot;&lt;p&gt;People compare these federated social platforms to email, as there are many email providers and they can all exchange mail with each other. But there&amp;#x27;s no concept of being &amp;quot;defederated&amp;quot; in email. Or is there? I just don&amp;#x27;t understand the term.</text></item><item><author>mikae1</author><text>&lt;i&gt;&amp;gt; They say the instance you choose doesn&amp;#x27;t matter that much&lt;/i&gt;&lt;p&gt;I would way that&amp;#x27;s not true.&lt;p&gt;Mostly speaking from a Mastodon perspective, but should be true for Lemmy&amp;#x2F;Kbin too. Healthy small ones with active moderation should be a good choice as they have a lesser chance of being defederated. Many smaller instances recently defederated mastodon.social because of spam. You should also choose one that doesn&amp;#x27;t defederate other instances left and right (if that&amp;#x27;s what you&amp;#x27;re not after).&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;fedidb.org&amp;#x2F;software&amp;#x2F;lemmy&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow noreferrer&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;fedidb.org&amp;#x2F;software&amp;#x2F;lemmy&lt;/a&gt; and &lt;a href=&quot;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;fedidb.org&amp;#x2F;software&amp;#x2F;kbin&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow noreferrer&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;fedidb.org&amp;#x2F;software&amp;#x2F;kbin&lt;/a&gt; might be helpful.</text></item><item><author>NoboruWataya</author><text>What instances are people here using? I recently decided to give Lemmy a try. From what I had been seeing I was planning to sign up to BeeHaw, only to find that they had defederated two of the largest instances due to their lax sign-up policies. I can understand their reasoning and it looks like it was relatively well handled, but it still makes that instance impractical. I ended up going to VLemmy as it was one of the recommended ones, seems fairly general purpose and doesn&amp;#x27;t seem to have much &amp;quot;baggage&amp;quot; (political or otherwise).&lt;p&gt;They say the instance you choose doesn&amp;#x27;t matter that much, but if even large instances are going to start defederating then there is a kind of Keynesian beauty contest to choosing the right instance - you might not care what an instance looks like if you&amp;#x27;re just using it as a gateway to the fediverse, but you need to choose an instance that doesn&amp;#x27;t repulse the &lt;i&gt;other&lt;/i&gt; instances too much.</text></item></parent_chain></comment><story><title>Comparison of different Lemmy Instances</title><url>https://github.com/maltfield/awesome-lemmy-instances</url></story>
<instructions>Your goal is to analyze the following comment and estimate how highly it will be upvoted by the Hacker News community.</instructions><comment><author>NoMoreNicksLeft</author><text>&amp;gt; What is the practical effect on the user of an instance being &amp;quot;defederated?&amp;quot;&lt;p&gt;The entire instance is sort of &amp;quot;shadow banned&amp;quot;. Everyone on it can post, but no one will ever read it (except for the few dozen people on that instance). Since forums have some minimum number of users&amp;#x2F;readers that if the number falls below this people just give up and go away, it will be dead within a month.&lt;p&gt;Not only is it like being shadow-banned, but you get to be shadow-banned for what the other people on the instance are posting.&lt;p&gt;The Fediverse might be a good model for a Twitter-alike (it&amp;#x27;s debatable), but I don&amp;#x27;t think it&amp;#x27;s a good model at all for a reddit-alike.&lt;p&gt;Conversations aren&amp;#x27;t meant to always be civil. If you enforce that harshly, it turns into a place to post cat pictures.</text><parent_chain><item><author>SoftTalker</author><text>What is the practical effect on the user of an instance being &amp;quot;defederated?&amp;quot;&lt;p&gt;People compare these federated social platforms to email, as there are many email providers and they can all exchange mail with each other. But there&amp;#x27;s no concept of being &amp;quot;defederated&amp;quot; in email. Or is there? I just don&amp;#x27;t understand the term.</text></item><item><author>mikae1</author><text>&lt;i&gt;&amp;gt; They say the instance you choose doesn&amp;#x27;t matter that much&lt;/i&gt;&lt;p&gt;I would way that&amp;#x27;s not true.&lt;p&gt;Mostly speaking from a Mastodon perspective, but should be true for Lemmy&amp;#x2F;Kbin too. Healthy small ones with active moderation should be a good choice as they have a lesser chance of being defederated. Many smaller instances recently defederated mastodon.social because of spam. You should also choose one that doesn&amp;#x27;t defederate other instances left and right (if that&amp;#x27;s what you&amp;#x27;re not after).&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;fedidb.org&amp;#x2F;software&amp;#x2F;lemmy&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow noreferrer&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;fedidb.org&amp;#x2F;software&amp;#x2F;lemmy&lt;/a&gt; and &lt;a href=&quot;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;fedidb.org&amp;#x2F;software&amp;#x2F;kbin&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow noreferrer&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;fedidb.org&amp;#x2F;software&amp;#x2F;kbin&lt;/a&gt; might be helpful.</text></item><item><author>NoboruWataya</author><text>What instances are people here using? I recently decided to give Lemmy a try. From what I had been seeing I was planning to sign up to BeeHaw, only to find that they had defederated two of the largest instances due to their lax sign-up policies. I can understand their reasoning and it looks like it was relatively well handled, but it still makes that instance impractical. I ended up going to VLemmy as it was one of the recommended ones, seems fairly general purpose and doesn&amp;#x27;t seem to have much &amp;quot;baggage&amp;quot; (political or otherwise).&lt;p&gt;They say the instance you choose doesn&amp;#x27;t matter that much, but if even large instances are going to start defederating then there is a kind of Keynesian beauty contest to choosing the right instance - you might not care what an instance looks like if you&amp;#x27;re just using it as a gateway to the fediverse, but you need to choose an instance that doesn&amp;#x27;t repulse the &lt;i&gt;other&lt;/i&gt; instances too much.</text></item></parent_chain></comment><story><title>Comparison of different Lemmy Instances</title><url>https://github.com/maltfield/awesome-lemmy-instances</url></story>