<instructions>Your goal is to analyze the following comment and estimate how highly it will be upvoted by the Hacker News community.</instructions><comment><author>imgabe</author><text>Loss is also slack in the system. The alternative might be food shocks when demand is underestimated and we run out of food. That is much much worse than some food getting thrown away. Food shortages are society-destroying levels of bad and some food waste is an acceptable price to pay to avoid them.&lt;p&gt;Until we get matter replicators, I don&amp;#x27;t think we can have just-in-time inventory for food.</text><parent_chain><item><author>zachware</author><text>I&amp;#x27;ve been working on this problem for a few years now. The problem is systemic. You can solve the retail&amp;#x2F;consumer level issues but the big problems are market-level.&lt;p&gt;Here are a few facts often overlooked because they aren&amp;#x27;t surface-level.&lt;p&gt;- 1.3 billion metric tons (2,866 billion pounds) of food worldwide are produced and not consumed each year, representing approximately one-third of total food production by volume (FAO, 2011).&lt;p&gt;- Most importantly, nearly 40 percent of losses in North American fruits and vegetables occur at the farm and distributor level...before it gets to the consumer.&lt;p&gt;- USDA ERS: &amp;quot;The inelastic nature of fresh produce demand causes prices to fluctuate rapidly due to changes in supply. Prices fluctuate daily and can often cause the value of edible product to drop below the marginal cost of production. Depending on where and when the price fluctuations occur, produce could be left in the field, discarded at a packing shed, or dumped from the back of a truck.&amp;quot;&lt;p&gt;- Growers today earn roughly 30 cents for every dollar their products command at the end-customer point.&lt;p&gt;It&amp;#x27;s a market system problem. It&amp;#x27;s a middleman problem. It&amp;#x27;s an incentive problem.&lt;p&gt;It&amp;#x27;s going to change but it will take time and a willingness to ignore sexy-looking things like Imperfect Produce and the like.</text></item></parent_chain></comment><story><title>The war on food waste is a waste of time</title><url>https://theoutline.com/post/8739/food-waste-fight-waste-of-time</url></story>
<instructions>Your goal is to analyze the following comment and estimate how highly it will be upvoted by the Hacker News community.</instructions><comment><author>jka</author><text>Those are some staggering figures.&lt;p&gt;Regarding the 40% loss rate pre-consumer - can you share any details of products and&amp;#x2F;or distribution methods which are succeeding in reducing that rate?</text><parent_chain><item><author>zachware</author><text>I&amp;#x27;ve been working on this problem for a few years now. The problem is systemic. You can solve the retail&amp;#x2F;consumer level issues but the big problems are market-level.&lt;p&gt;Here are a few facts often overlooked because they aren&amp;#x27;t surface-level.&lt;p&gt;- 1.3 billion metric tons (2,866 billion pounds) of food worldwide are produced and not consumed each year, representing approximately one-third of total food production by volume (FAO, 2011).&lt;p&gt;- Most importantly, nearly 40 percent of losses in North American fruits and vegetables occur at the farm and distributor level...before it gets to the consumer.&lt;p&gt;- USDA ERS: &amp;quot;The inelastic nature of fresh produce demand causes prices to fluctuate rapidly due to changes in supply. Prices fluctuate daily and can often cause the value of edible product to drop below the marginal cost of production. Depending on where and when the price fluctuations occur, produce could be left in the field, discarded at a packing shed, or dumped from the back of a truck.&amp;quot;&lt;p&gt;- Growers today earn roughly 30 cents for every dollar their products command at the end-customer point.&lt;p&gt;It&amp;#x27;s a market system problem. It&amp;#x27;s a middleman problem. It&amp;#x27;s an incentive problem.&lt;p&gt;It&amp;#x27;s going to change but it will take time and a willingness to ignore sexy-looking things like Imperfect Produce and the like.</text></item></parent_chain></comment><story><title>The war on food waste is a waste of time</title><url>https://theoutline.com/post/8739/food-waste-fight-waste-of-time</url></story>