<instructions>Your goal is to analyze the following comment and estimate how highly it will be upvoted by the Hacker News community.</instructions><comment><author>bradbeattie</author><text>Long time vegan here. While I think that saying has some truth to it, there are also those that sympathize with the ethics, try it out for a short while, but find the pressure of social backlash too costly. The biggest problem isn&amp;#x27;t nutrition; It&amp;#x27;s ingroup&amp;#x2F;outgroup policing (predominantly by the vast majority of non-vegans).&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;www.youtube.com&amp;#x2F;watch?v=qQUo53o6QXg#t=0m30s&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;www.youtube.com&amp;#x2F;watch?v=qQUo53o6QXg#t=0m30s&lt;/a&gt; (strawman opening skipiped) is clearly an exaggeration, but highlights the uncomfortable reality of being &amp;quot;the different one&amp;quot; at the dinner table.</text><parent_chain><item><author>fnovd</author><text>The title seems misleading to me. According to the article:&lt;p&gt;&amp;gt;A third-of people abandoned their animal-free diets in three months or less, and more than half abandoned it within the first year.&lt;p&gt;Are you &lt;i&gt;really&lt;/i&gt; a vegan or vegetarian if you break in 3 months? In 1 year? Wouldn&amp;#x27;t it be more accurate to say that 1 in 5 people who attempt to go vegan&amp;#x2F;vegetarian succeed?&lt;p&gt;I&amp;#x27;m a vegan and I&amp;#x27;m active in my local vegan&amp;#x2F;vegetarian community. There are two camps: people who do it for ethical reasons and people who do it for for health. People who do it for health usually give up and move on to whatever fad diet becomes popular. People who subscribe to the ethics rarely quit. We have a saying: there&amp;#x27;s no such thing as a former vegan. Just someone who tried the diet.</text></item></parent_chain></comment><story><title>Most Vegetarians and Vegans Eventually Return to Meat</title><url>https://www.fastcompany.com/3039505/the-vast-majority-of-vegetarians-and-vegans-eventually-return-to-meat</url></story>
<instructions>Your goal is to analyze the following comment and estimate how highly it will be upvoted by the Hacker News community.</instructions><comment><author>DenisM</author><text>This is a text-book example of the &amp;quot;no true Scotsman&amp;quot; fallacy.&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&amp;#x2F;wiki&amp;#x2F;No_true_Scotsman&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&amp;#x2F;wiki&amp;#x2F;No_true_Scotsman&lt;/a&gt;</text><parent_chain><item><author>fnovd</author><text>The title seems misleading to me. According to the article:&lt;p&gt;&amp;gt;A third-of people abandoned their animal-free diets in three months or less, and more than half abandoned it within the first year.&lt;p&gt;Are you &lt;i&gt;really&lt;/i&gt; a vegan or vegetarian if you break in 3 months? In 1 year? Wouldn&amp;#x27;t it be more accurate to say that 1 in 5 people who attempt to go vegan&amp;#x2F;vegetarian succeed?&lt;p&gt;I&amp;#x27;m a vegan and I&amp;#x27;m active in my local vegan&amp;#x2F;vegetarian community. There are two camps: people who do it for ethical reasons and people who do it for for health. People who do it for health usually give up and move on to whatever fad diet becomes popular. People who subscribe to the ethics rarely quit. We have a saying: there&amp;#x27;s no such thing as a former vegan. Just someone who tried the diet.</text></item></parent_chain></comment><story><title>Most Vegetarians and Vegans Eventually Return to Meat</title><url>https://www.fastcompany.com/3039505/the-vast-majority-of-vegetarians-and-vegans-eventually-return-to-meat</url></story>