<instructions>Your goal is to analyze the following comment and estimate how highly it will be upvoted by the Hacker News community.</instructions><comment><author>lostphilosopher</author><text>This idea of &amp;quot;making up the difference&amp;quot; comes up in every convo on tipping. The counter point is usually that it doesn&amp;#x27;t happen. (Debate ensues...)&lt;p&gt;But even if it happened FOR SURE EVERY TIME. What an inefficient system! Rather than just paying the minimum wage up front, with predictable, projectable costs, businesses spend person hours on calculating tips, hours worked, per employee, etc. And then have to pay (potentially) widely varying amounts at the end of the cycle.&lt;p&gt;I get that some customers and some servers like the practice of tipping. But why not require employers to pay (at least) the minimum wage, period. You could still tip if you want to, and an you can still try to earn a tip if you want to. But now it&amp;#x27;s more like a bonus, gravy, than the difference between rent and no-rent.</text><parent_chain><item><author>vkjv</author><text>Just an FYI, but if a tipped employee does not meet the minimum wage, the employer must make up the difference.&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;webapps.dol.gov&amp;#x2F;elaws&amp;#x2F;faq&amp;#x2F;esa&amp;#x2F;flsa&amp;#x2F;002.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;webapps.dol.gov&amp;#x2F;elaws&amp;#x2F;faq&amp;#x2F;esa&amp;#x2F;flsa&amp;#x2F;002.htm&lt;/a&gt;</text></item><item><author>radmuzom</author><text>I find it very funny when people argue that increasing the minimum wage would increase costs for consumers (I don&amp;#x27;t necessarily disagree; in some cases it would, whether that is a bad thing is a different matter). I personally would pay a higher price, no tips and ensure that the workers serving can meet their basic needs via wages alone.</text></item><item><author>srinathrajaram</author><text>&amp;gt;The worker&amp;#x27;s salary is a employer&amp;#x27;s responsibility. If the the worker become underpaid without the tipping, then the worker is underpaid by the employer.&lt;p&gt;This! Tipping is nothing but the employer passing the buck and guilting the customer.</text></item><item><author>ezoe</author><text>As a person who was born and living in a country which has no tipping culture.
The tipping sucks.&lt;p&gt;I should have been fully informed how much should I have to pay before I purchase something or some service.
Any extra demand from agreed amount should be illegal.&lt;p&gt;I also don&amp;#x27;t want to waste my precious time on paying the tip for calculating tax.&lt;p&gt;The worker&amp;#x27;s salary is a employer&amp;#x27;s responsibility.
If the the worker become underpaid without the tipping, then the worker is underpaid by the employer.</text></item></parent_chain></comment><story><title>No tipping means better business</title><url>http://tastefulventures.com/death-to-tipping</url></story>
<instructions>Your goal is to analyze the following comment and estimate how highly it will be upvoted by the Hacker News community.</instructions><comment><author>thoughtsimple</author><text>This is almost certainly going to rarely happen. Almost no server feels empowered enough to insist on this. And restaurant owners will start insisting on collecting and counting cash tips so they can fully account for the wages. No server wants their boss counting their cash tips. At least in Massachusetts, declared tips is self reported.</text><parent_chain><item><author>vkjv</author><text>Just an FYI, but if a tipped employee does not meet the minimum wage, the employer must make up the difference.&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;webapps.dol.gov&amp;#x2F;elaws&amp;#x2F;faq&amp;#x2F;esa&amp;#x2F;flsa&amp;#x2F;002.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;webapps.dol.gov&amp;#x2F;elaws&amp;#x2F;faq&amp;#x2F;esa&amp;#x2F;flsa&amp;#x2F;002.htm&lt;/a&gt;</text></item><item><author>radmuzom</author><text>I find it very funny when people argue that increasing the minimum wage would increase costs for consumers (I don&amp;#x27;t necessarily disagree; in some cases it would, whether that is a bad thing is a different matter). I personally would pay a higher price, no tips and ensure that the workers serving can meet their basic needs via wages alone.</text></item><item><author>srinathrajaram</author><text>&amp;gt;The worker&amp;#x27;s salary is a employer&amp;#x27;s responsibility. If the the worker become underpaid without the tipping, then the worker is underpaid by the employer.&lt;p&gt;This! Tipping is nothing but the employer passing the buck and guilting the customer.</text></item><item><author>ezoe</author><text>As a person who was born and living in a country which has no tipping culture.
The tipping sucks.&lt;p&gt;I should have been fully informed how much should I have to pay before I purchase something or some service.
Any extra demand from agreed amount should be illegal.&lt;p&gt;I also don&amp;#x27;t want to waste my precious time on paying the tip for calculating tax.&lt;p&gt;The worker&amp;#x27;s salary is a employer&amp;#x27;s responsibility.
If the the worker become underpaid without the tipping, then the worker is underpaid by the employer.</text></item></parent_chain></comment><story><title>No tipping means better business</title><url>http://tastefulventures.com/death-to-tipping</url></story>