<instructions>Your goal is to analyze the following comment and estimate how highly it will be upvoted by the Hacker News community.</instructions><comment><author>explorer83</author><text>I think this outlook is completely rational. I think the last bit is painfully true if you&amp;#x27;ve ever been in a similar position and want to shout the injustice from the rooftops and future job interviews.&lt;p&gt;However, I think it&amp;#x27;s near impossible to actively maintain this clear headed detachment in many working arrangements. Unless your job has a lot of independent autonomous work time, you&amp;#x27;re stuck most of your waking day in this environment. The mental capacity to keep this grounded outlook while handling the daily job stress is too much IMO. Plus I believe we are somewhat wired from evolution to work in cooperation with others and have some need to feel valued or at least accepted in our work with others.</text><parent_chain><item><author>andrewmcwatters</author><text>All bad job stories can be boiled down to someone at a company who was in charge over employees did not want someone at the company anymore.&lt;p&gt;No amount of emotions or rationalization or any other factor really changes this.&lt;p&gt;Employees are professionals who provide services while in employ. When your services are no longer wanted, they are no longer paid for and rendered.&lt;p&gt;You can say someone was a bad person or an asshole or whatever, you might be or they might be and probably will be right or both the employer or employee will both be right, or you will be dealing with a bad employer or employee. It happens. It’s life.&lt;p&gt;But I think the healthiest way to deal with these things is to remember you are providing a service for a fee. That fee might be a salary, it might be a retainer, it might be a flat rate, or a one time fee.&lt;p&gt;But you vend and perform services to those who pay for them.&lt;p&gt;Everything else, every other ceremony and nicety and construct, usually built by employers for employees, though sometimes albeit rarely both ways, is designed to impair this judgement and create a scenario where one party forgets this and their relationship is transformed into something else, usually subservient without a notion of autonomy.&lt;p&gt;It is why employers use “subordinate”—who are you truly subordinate to? You are not a slave. They are dependent on your labor and you on their patronage. It is mutual.&lt;p&gt;Or “terminate”—why is such ceremonious negative language used? To make you feel bad that employment has “ended.” Which is what it is an “end,” “termination” is needless.&lt;p&gt;Or “performance improvement plan,” what improvement needs to be dictated to a professional? A professional knows their limits and places where they can or cannot provide satisfactory service. When a professional fails to deliver, a client or customer simply does not buy. A professional knows they lack because a service or good was not purchased. The ulterior motive here is to punish. That’s why.&lt;p&gt;My advice—don’t do this. While rarely there might be something interesting to learn from bad employment stories, writing them as someone who is not of notoriety just tarnishes one’s image. The benefit is only, and only rarely, for the reader.</text></item></parent_chain></comment><story><title>What it feels like to be bullied out of a job you love</title><url>https://www.justworktogether.com/blog/this-is-what-it-feels-like</url></story>
<instructions>Your goal is to analyze the following comment and estimate how highly it will be upvoted by the Hacker News community.</instructions><comment><author>sparrish</author><text>I agree with you and feel that younger employees lose sight of this more easily as their entire world revolves around their employment and those they work with.&lt;p&gt;Lack of a &amp;#x27;life&amp;#x27; outside of work makes one myopic to the cold nature of employment and changes the dynamic so losing a job is an enormous emotional hit.&lt;p&gt;Start a family, go to church, cultivate friendships outside of your work. Your life will be better off for it and it will help keep this employee&amp;#x2F;employer relationship in its proper focus.</text><parent_chain><item><author>andrewmcwatters</author><text>All bad job stories can be boiled down to someone at a company who was in charge over employees did not want someone at the company anymore.&lt;p&gt;No amount of emotions or rationalization or any other factor really changes this.&lt;p&gt;Employees are professionals who provide services while in employ. When your services are no longer wanted, they are no longer paid for and rendered.&lt;p&gt;You can say someone was a bad person or an asshole or whatever, you might be or they might be and probably will be right or both the employer or employee will both be right, or you will be dealing with a bad employer or employee. It happens. It’s life.&lt;p&gt;But I think the healthiest way to deal with these things is to remember you are providing a service for a fee. That fee might be a salary, it might be a retainer, it might be a flat rate, or a one time fee.&lt;p&gt;But you vend and perform services to those who pay for them.&lt;p&gt;Everything else, every other ceremony and nicety and construct, usually built by employers for employees, though sometimes albeit rarely both ways, is designed to impair this judgement and create a scenario where one party forgets this and their relationship is transformed into something else, usually subservient without a notion of autonomy.&lt;p&gt;It is why employers use “subordinate”—who are you truly subordinate to? You are not a slave. They are dependent on your labor and you on their patronage. It is mutual.&lt;p&gt;Or “terminate”—why is such ceremonious negative language used? To make you feel bad that employment has “ended.” Which is what it is an “end,” “termination” is needless.&lt;p&gt;Or “performance improvement plan,” what improvement needs to be dictated to a professional? A professional knows their limits and places where they can or cannot provide satisfactory service. When a professional fails to deliver, a client or customer simply does not buy. A professional knows they lack because a service or good was not purchased. The ulterior motive here is to punish. That’s why.&lt;p&gt;My advice—don’t do this. While rarely there might be something interesting to learn from bad employment stories, writing them as someone who is not of notoriety just tarnishes one’s image. The benefit is only, and only rarely, for the reader.</text></item></parent_chain></comment><story><title>What it feels like to be bullied out of a job you love</title><url>https://www.justworktogether.com/blog/this-is-what-it-feels-like</url></story>