<instructions>Your goal is to analyze the following comment and estimate how highly it will be upvoted by the Hacker News community.</instructions><comment><author>tshaddox</author><text>What specific consequence would you expect him to bear? It&amp;#x27;s not like there&amp;#x27;s any meaningful financial consequence that he would actually feel. He ain&amp;#x27;t gonna know what food insecurity or the specter of medical bankruptcy feels like. Should he impose some consequence on himself, like he only gets to spend $1 million on leisure over the next year?</text><parent_chain><item><author>mongol</author><text>Taking responsibility is more than just admitting reponsibility. It is  also about bearing the consequences. Such as, if you broke something, you fix it. If you lost something, you pay up to replace it. Or similar. A manager usually can&amp;#x27;t fix a problem themselves though. But unless they pay a cost for their mistakes, they are not really taking responsibility. Then they just pay lip service to the word.</text></item><item><author>miiiiiike</author><text>&amp;gt; As always with these things, I wonder what taking responsibility actually means in practice.&lt;p&gt;Remember a few years ago when people were asking &amp;quot;Why can&amp;#x27;t people just say they made a mistake and own up to it instead of shifting blame?&amp;quot; Now that people are taking responsibility for mistakes publicly the response is &amp;quot;Yes, but what does that mean?&amp;quot;&lt;p&gt;Taking responsibility means just that. It means saying you fucked up and not blaming others for your failures. It doesn&amp;#x27;t mean that self immolation follows soon after.&lt;p&gt;I move on from bad breaks pretty quickly but there are few things that I&amp;#x27;ve held on to. Things that still burn years later and all of them involve refusals to accept responsibility. Hearing someone say: &amp;quot;Yep, it was me. I fucked you and I&amp;#x27;m sorry. Here&amp;#x27;s what I can offer.&amp;quot; isn&amp;#x27;t nothing.&lt;p&gt;Layoffs suck but the rate of hiring in big companies wasn&amp;#x27;t sustainable. A correction is here. It&amp;#x27;s temporary, but, it&amp;#x27;s real.&lt;p&gt;If you&amp;#x27;ve tried to hire outside of FAANG over the past decade you&amp;#x27;d know one thing: FAANG is hoarding talent. Every developer I&amp;#x27;ve really wanted to hold on to has gone to a big tech company.. I can&amp;#x27;t blame them. But, here&amp;#x27;s the thing, so have many of the contractors that I didn&amp;#x27;t end up hiring for very good reasons.&lt;p&gt;These layoff messages, down to the structure and content, all sound the same because PR people follow best practices just like everyone else. You wouldn&amp;#x27;t ask why all Redux or Angular apps use similar patterns.. They&amp;#x27;re using patterns, that&amp;#x27;s what patterns are for.</text></item><item><author>andyjohnson0</author><text>&amp;gt; I got this wrong, and I take responsibility for that.&lt;p&gt;As always with these things, I wonder what taking responsibility actually means in practice.&lt;p&gt;Businesses usually try to find ways to correct for major failures in decision making. In the case of Zuck, given his ownership, does anything actually happen or change? I&amp;#x27;m sure his net worth has been reduced by changes to Meta&amp;#x27;s share price, but he was a multi-billionaire before and he still is now. Is that it?</text></item></parent_chain></comment><story><title>Meta lays off 11,000 people</title><url>https://about.fb.com/news/2022/11/mark-zuckerberg-layoff-message-to-employees/</url></story>
<instructions>Your goal is to analyze the following comment and estimate how highly it will be upvoted by the Hacker News community.</instructions><comment><author>musictubes</author><text>I dunno, think Zuck losing however may billions of dollars of net worth is a pretty stiff consequence. He didn’t have to take responsibility but did. He also literally paid for the consequences.</text><parent_chain><item><author>mongol</author><text>Taking responsibility is more than just admitting reponsibility. It is  also about bearing the consequences. Such as, if you broke something, you fix it. If you lost something, you pay up to replace it. Or similar. A manager usually can&amp;#x27;t fix a problem themselves though. But unless they pay a cost for their mistakes, they are not really taking responsibility. Then they just pay lip service to the word.</text></item><item><author>miiiiiike</author><text>&amp;gt; As always with these things, I wonder what taking responsibility actually means in practice.&lt;p&gt;Remember a few years ago when people were asking &amp;quot;Why can&amp;#x27;t people just say they made a mistake and own up to it instead of shifting blame?&amp;quot; Now that people are taking responsibility for mistakes publicly the response is &amp;quot;Yes, but what does that mean?&amp;quot;&lt;p&gt;Taking responsibility means just that. It means saying you fucked up and not blaming others for your failures. It doesn&amp;#x27;t mean that self immolation follows soon after.&lt;p&gt;I move on from bad breaks pretty quickly but there are few things that I&amp;#x27;ve held on to. Things that still burn years later and all of them involve refusals to accept responsibility. Hearing someone say: &amp;quot;Yep, it was me. I fucked you and I&amp;#x27;m sorry. Here&amp;#x27;s what I can offer.&amp;quot; isn&amp;#x27;t nothing.&lt;p&gt;Layoffs suck but the rate of hiring in big companies wasn&amp;#x27;t sustainable. A correction is here. It&amp;#x27;s temporary, but, it&amp;#x27;s real.&lt;p&gt;If you&amp;#x27;ve tried to hire outside of FAANG over the past decade you&amp;#x27;d know one thing: FAANG is hoarding talent. Every developer I&amp;#x27;ve really wanted to hold on to has gone to a big tech company.. I can&amp;#x27;t blame them. But, here&amp;#x27;s the thing, so have many of the contractors that I didn&amp;#x27;t end up hiring for very good reasons.&lt;p&gt;These layoff messages, down to the structure and content, all sound the same because PR people follow best practices just like everyone else. You wouldn&amp;#x27;t ask why all Redux or Angular apps use similar patterns.. They&amp;#x27;re using patterns, that&amp;#x27;s what patterns are for.</text></item><item><author>andyjohnson0</author><text>&amp;gt; I got this wrong, and I take responsibility for that.&lt;p&gt;As always with these things, I wonder what taking responsibility actually means in practice.&lt;p&gt;Businesses usually try to find ways to correct for major failures in decision making. In the case of Zuck, given his ownership, does anything actually happen or change? I&amp;#x27;m sure his net worth has been reduced by changes to Meta&amp;#x27;s share price, but he was a multi-billionaire before and he still is now. Is that it?</text></item></parent_chain></comment><story><title>Meta lays off 11,000 people</title><url>https://about.fb.com/news/2022/11/mark-zuckerberg-layoff-message-to-employees/</url></story>