<instructions>Your goal is to analyze the following comment and estimate how highly it will be upvoted by the Hacker News community.</instructions><comment><author>gioele</author><text>&amp;gt; A lot of administration is still done on paper. Government organisations barely communicate, […] For every minor thing, you have to fill in a form.&lt;p&gt;My impression is that Germany requires a lot of paperwork, but this paperwork is often well guided and backed by organizations that are reasonably big and efficient. So the inefficiencies of living in a &amp;quot;paper bureaucracy&amp;quot; where you have to fill out a form for everything are there, but people barely notice them because the bureaucratic machine is well oiled.&lt;p&gt;The problem is that if you happen to meet one of the not well oiled parts of the mechanism you will be crushed by the bureaucracy. But this is mostly a foreigners&amp;#x27; problem, so it not a very important part of the political agenda.</text><parent_chain><item><author>danieldk</author><text>&lt;i&gt;In Germany, I&amp;#x27;ve witnessed excellent efficiency of course,&lt;/i&gt;&lt;p&gt;I live in Germany. Coming from The Netherlands, it surprises me how inefficient Germany often is. A lot of administration is still done on paper. Government organisations barely communicate, e.g. probably half of my non-native co-workers had taxation problems in their first months as a result of that. For every minor thing, you have to fill in a form.&lt;p&gt;The private sector is not much better. E.g. in NL I could arrange virtually all my banking affairs via internet. Here, except for some internet banks (such as the non-German ING DiBa), you have to go to an office to arrange anything. In NL, most local branches are gone from villages and are slowly retracting from cities as well. Here you have many branches in a small city, with many employees (probably because stuff is all handled on paper) and royal interiors. And then you have to go to the bank every couple of weeks to print your statements using a machine (I am not making this up).&lt;p&gt;Compared to Northern European countries, there is a huge space for increasing efficiency.&lt;p&gt;&lt;i&gt;there is no minimum salary&lt;/i&gt;&lt;p&gt;Yes. This is I dislike very much too, it&amp;#x27;s hard to see people working hard, only earning a few Euros per hour in an extremely rich society. Luckily, Germany may finally see a minimum wage now that the SPD is part of the government again.</text></item><item><author>jotm</author><text>This article is bullshit fluff. In Germany, I&amp;#x27;ve witnessed excellent efficiency of course, but most of the workers are dicking around just as much as their counterparts from any other country. They&amp;#x27;re not machines, after all.&lt;p&gt;I won&amp;#x27;t get into details, but here&amp;#x27;s some first hand observations: the health care is great, the pay is average, the taxes are high, the Internet is average, working hours are average and there is no minimum salary (also there are people who work 9-6 incl. Saturdays, mostly foreigners), people are great, crime is low, language is hard, opportunities through the roof, business is hard (esp. compared to the US and nearby UK), basic living prices are OK, but any &amp;quot;luxuries&amp;quot; are expensive.</text></item></parent_chain></comment><story><title>Why Germans Work Fewer Hours but Produce More: A Study in Culture</title><url>http://knote.com/2014/11/10/why-germans-work-fewer-hours-but-produce-more-a-study-in-culture/</url></story>
<instructions>Your goal is to analyze the following comment and estimate how highly it will be upvoted by the Hacker News community.</instructions><comment><author>kleiba</author><text>&lt;p&gt;&lt;pre&gt;&lt;code&gt;    *there is no minimum salary*
    
    Yes. This is I dislike very much too, it&amp;#x27;s hard to see
    people working hard, only earning a few Euros per hour
    in an extremely rich society. 
&lt;/code&gt;&lt;/pre&gt;
This is changing January 1st, 2015, at least for some.&lt;p&gt;&lt;pre&gt;&lt;code&gt;    Luckily, Germany may finally see a minimum wage now that 
    the SPD is part of the government again.
&lt;/code&gt;&lt;/pre&gt;
Let&amp;#x27;s not forget who brought the Agenda 2010 on its way, including the Hartz reformations.</text><parent_chain><item><author>danieldk</author><text>&lt;i&gt;In Germany, I&amp;#x27;ve witnessed excellent efficiency of course,&lt;/i&gt;&lt;p&gt;I live in Germany. Coming from The Netherlands, it surprises me how inefficient Germany often is. A lot of administration is still done on paper. Government organisations barely communicate, e.g. probably half of my non-native co-workers had taxation problems in their first months as a result of that. For every minor thing, you have to fill in a form.&lt;p&gt;The private sector is not much better. E.g. in NL I could arrange virtually all my banking affairs via internet. Here, except for some internet banks (such as the non-German ING DiBa), you have to go to an office to arrange anything. In NL, most local branches are gone from villages and are slowly retracting from cities as well. Here you have many branches in a small city, with many employees (probably because stuff is all handled on paper) and royal interiors. And then you have to go to the bank every couple of weeks to print your statements using a machine (I am not making this up).&lt;p&gt;Compared to Northern European countries, there is a huge space for increasing efficiency.&lt;p&gt;&lt;i&gt;there is no minimum salary&lt;/i&gt;&lt;p&gt;Yes. This is I dislike very much too, it&amp;#x27;s hard to see people working hard, only earning a few Euros per hour in an extremely rich society. Luckily, Germany may finally see a minimum wage now that the SPD is part of the government again.</text></item><item><author>jotm</author><text>This article is bullshit fluff. In Germany, I&amp;#x27;ve witnessed excellent efficiency of course, but most of the workers are dicking around just as much as their counterparts from any other country. They&amp;#x27;re not machines, after all.&lt;p&gt;I won&amp;#x27;t get into details, but here&amp;#x27;s some first hand observations: the health care is great, the pay is average, the taxes are high, the Internet is average, working hours are average and there is no minimum salary (also there are people who work 9-6 incl. Saturdays, mostly foreigners), people are great, crime is low, language is hard, opportunities through the roof, business is hard (esp. compared to the US and nearby UK), basic living prices are OK, but any &amp;quot;luxuries&amp;quot; are expensive.</text></item></parent_chain></comment><story><title>Why Germans Work Fewer Hours but Produce More: A Study in Culture</title><url>http://knote.com/2014/11/10/why-germans-work-fewer-hours-but-produce-more-a-study-in-culture/</url></story>