<instructions>Your goal is to analyze the following comment and estimate how highly it will be upvoted by the Hacker News community.</instructions><comment><author>MostlyStable</author><text>Yeah the second rule is: for anything that runs locally and for which your use doesn&amp;#x27;t require an internet connection: put it on a separate network without WAN access.&lt;p&gt;I also had to learn &lt;i&gt;that&lt;/i&gt; lesson painfully when my network connected Brother printer got a (unasked for and unapproved) firmware update that disabled the 3rd party toner cartridge it was using. It&amp;#x27;s now blocked from the internet in my router, but it&amp;#x27;s unfortunately a case of shutting the barn door after the cows are gone.</text><parent_chain><item><author>Tomte</author><text>Philips Hue did run locally, and now they are rolling out updates where a cloud account is required.</text></item><item><author>MostlyStable</author><text>Per the one tweet in the article that says they only bought one of these appliances because of the HA plugin: the lesson is don&amp;#x27;t buy smart devices that have cloud control. Whether or not they have local automation plugins (like HA), or just that have apps&amp;#x2F;cloud services, expecting those capabilities to remain for the life of the device is a fool&amp;#x27;s errand. We have a &lt;i&gt;host&lt;/i&gt; of examples of cloud services being killed and open integrations getting taken down, and none of the examples where this hasn&amp;#x27;t happened have existed long enough for us to say anything besides &amp;quot;so far&amp;quot;.&lt;p&gt;If you want smart functionality, it had better run &lt;i&gt;entirely&lt;/i&gt; locally, or else you should not care about or depend on that functionality.&lt;p&gt;-edit- I also had to learn this lesson (somewhat) painfully. I chose the EVSE that I did for 2 reasons: it was on the list of devices my power company would help pay for and it had an HA integration. less than 6 months after I bought it, the company killed the API that the HA integration relied on.&lt;p&gt;Luckily for me, the HA integration wasn&amp;#x27;t that big of a deal, more of &amp;quot;nice to have&amp;quot;, but I learned my lesson to never use non-local cloud functionality as a selling point.</text></item></parent_chain></comment><story><title>Haier hits Home Assistant plugin dev with takedown notice</title><url>https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/haier-hits-home-assistant-plugin-dev-with-takedown-notice/</url></story>
<instructions>Your goal is to analyze the following comment and estimate how highly it will be upvoted by the Hacker News community.</instructions><comment><author>joshvm</author><text>Hue bulbs and strips run fine on HA. For a couple of reasons, I have a completely offline system running in a Docker container with a ZigBee dongle (mainly I have no control over my LAN). I don&amp;#x27;t use the bridge any more. You don&amp;#x27;t get some of the scenes and other functionality that the bridge offers, but 90% of the functionality is there.&lt;p&gt;The bridge already has some weird requirements like refusing to work unless you connect an ethernet cable. As far as I know the update is to force you to use an account with the app, but the devices should still be compliant with other controllers.</text><parent_chain><item><author>Tomte</author><text>Philips Hue did run locally, and now they are rolling out updates where a cloud account is required.</text></item><item><author>MostlyStable</author><text>Per the one tweet in the article that says they only bought one of these appliances because of the HA plugin: the lesson is don&amp;#x27;t buy smart devices that have cloud control. Whether or not they have local automation plugins (like HA), or just that have apps&amp;#x2F;cloud services, expecting those capabilities to remain for the life of the device is a fool&amp;#x27;s errand. We have a &lt;i&gt;host&lt;/i&gt; of examples of cloud services being killed and open integrations getting taken down, and none of the examples where this hasn&amp;#x27;t happened have existed long enough for us to say anything besides &amp;quot;so far&amp;quot;.&lt;p&gt;If you want smart functionality, it had better run &lt;i&gt;entirely&lt;/i&gt; locally, or else you should not care about or depend on that functionality.&lt;p&gt;-edit- I also had to learn this lesson (somewhat) painfully. I chose the EVSE that I did for 2 reasons: it was on the list of devices my power company would help pay for and it had an HA integration. less than 6 months after I bought it, the company killed the API that the HA integration relied on.&lt;p&gt;Luckily for me, the HA integration wasn&amp;#x27;t that big of a deal, more of &amp;quot;nice to have&amp;quot;, but I learned my lesson to never use non-local cloud functionality as a selling point.</text></item></parent_chain></comment><story><title>Haier hits Home Assistant plugin dev with takedown notice</title><url>https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/haier-hits-home-assistant-plugin-dev-with-takedown-notice/</url></story>