<instructions>Your goal is to analyze the following comment and estimate how highly it will be upvoted by the Hacker News community.</instructions><comment><author>JackFr</author><text>&amp;gt; “Another current employee within the firm&amp;#x27;s commercial-banking division said she and her colleagues have resorted to discussing some work-related topics on forums like the iMessage app”&lt;p&gt;Now that&amp;#x27;s amusing and quite a tell as to how much BS the whole thing is.&lt;p&gt;No one at JPM cares how much loafing there is.  However:&lt;p&gt;&amp;quot;JPMorgan Chase is paying $200 million in fines to two U.S. banking regulators to settle charges that its Wall Street division allowed employees to use WhatsApp and other platforms to circumvent federal record-keeping laws.&amp;quot;  &lt;a href=&quot;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;www.cnbc.com&amp;#x2F;2021&amp;#x2F;12&amp;#x2F;17&amp;#x2F;jpmorgan-agrees-to-125-million-fine-for-letting-employees-use-whatsapp-to-evade-regulators.html#:~:text=JPMorgan%20Chase%20is%20paying%20%24200,circumvent%20federal%20record%2Dkeeping%20laws&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;www.cnbc.com&amp;#x2F;2021&amp;#x2F;12&amp;#x2F;17&amp;#x2F;jpmorgan-agrees-to-125-milli...&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;p&gt;discussing work related stuff on iText?  That will literally get you fired.&lt;p&gt;Update: And if you don&amp;#x27;t think the banks are serious Citi dinged a C-level guy a couple of million for allowing it.
&lt;a href=&quot;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;www.bloomberg.com&amp;#x2F;news&amp;#x2F;articles&amp;#x2F;2023-03-15&amp;#x2F;citigroup-trims-ybarra-s-pay-after-staffers-misuse-of-whatsapp#xj4y7vzkg&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;www.bloomberg.com&amp;#x2F;news&amp;#x2F;articles&amp;#x2F;2023-03-15&amp;#x2F;citigroup...&lt;/a&gt;</text><parent_chain><item><author>ericmay</author><text>At JPM a VP isn’t going to have an org of 1,000+. That’s going to be managing director level. There are some VPs on the business side that can have numerous employees but that’s about it. In finance you can equate VP to being senior and line manager level at other companies Google, Meta, etc.&lt;p&gt;One you hit executive director things change a bit. Managing director is the real deal.&lt;p&gt;Agreeing with&amp;#x2F;adding to your post here:&lt;p&gt;With that being said this Reddit post has some fishy elements to me. I wouldn’t doubt the existence of this so called WADU but the capabilities (and laughable suggestions in the Reddit post like “don’t use a corporate laptop” as if JPM issues corporate laptops - most employees use the stupid VDI) seem a little outrageous to me. More likely scenario is they just track badge in and badge out and maybe something like the number of meetings on your calendar and do some super basic reporting up the chain to the HR tech teams who are trying to figure out what to do with the workforce.&lt;p&gt;Now from the article:&lt;p&gt;“Some employees described adopting unusual behaviors to evade the system&amp;#x27;s detection during breaks or interludes throughout the day.”&lt;p&gt;I don’t know where these so called employees work, but at least in the corporate offices uh nobody pays any mind to any breaks you take unless you have some really anal manager. At the Polaris office in Columbus people bring walking shoes and do laps and things. They have lots of space intended for leaving your desk and grabbing coffee or meeting. The Starbucks in there at the time I was there was supposedly one of the most busy Starbucks locations you could find. I don’t think they’re worried about taking breaks.&lt;p&gt;“Another current employee within the firm&amp;#x27;s commercial-banking division said she and her colleagues have resorted to discussing some work-related topics on forums like the iMessage app”&lt;p&gt;You mean like just normal work? You don’t text your colleagues? Since when is iMessage a forum? Dumb.&lt;p&gt;The article is really lacking substance and the Reddit post seems kind of conspiratorial. Is JPM tracking things like how long your VDI session is open and your badge in&amp;#x2F;out? Yea definitely. Is it some big AI conspiracy? No. To what end anyway?&lt;p&gt;Source -&amp;gt; worked in Digital tech for a little over 4 years and have a number of close friends who still work there and numerous colleagues in executive and managing director level roles.</text></item><item><author>shmatt</author><text>Kind of terrifying to see all the comments just believing it as is&lt;p&gt;Line managers, even managers of managers, would have 0 loyalty to the company and could easily prove this is all true. The thousands of employees could prove the webcam flash every laptop login.&lt;p&gt;Things like this would be VP+ (who would have an org of 1000 or more, why would they even look if one of their reports body language is different this morning?) if it even existed under such a secretive blanket. Plus banks are literally known in the tech world as having the absolute oldest and crumbling tech&lt;p&gt;And lastly, as someone who works in the CV world, even having all those cameras up, successfully streaming, uploading, and inferencing as described in that post would be a technological marvel</text></item></parent_chain></comment><story><title>JPMorgan Chase and Co tracks employees to dystopian extents</title><url>https://old.reddit.com/r/antiwork/comments/13ijhae/came_back_to_a_post_here_but_it_was_removed_from/</url></story>
<instructions>Your goal is to analyze the following comment and estimate how highly it will be upvoted by the Hacker News community.</instructions><comment><author>blitzar</author><text>&amp;gt; as if JPM issues corporate laptops&lt;p&gt;Really? You think they dont issue corporate laptops? The suggestion that they do &amp;quot;destroys&amp;quot; the case made?&lt;p&gt;&amp;gt; You mean like just normal work? You don’t text your colleagues? Since when is iMessage a forum? Dumb.&lt;p&gt;At most banks using non monitored communication tools to talk to colleagues would be a fireable offence. &lt;a href=&quot;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;www.efinancialcareers.co.uk&amp;#x2F;news&amp;#x2F;2022&amp;#x2F;09&amp;#x2F;whatsapp-banks&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;www.efinancialcareers.co.uk&amp;#x2F;news&amp;#x2F;2022&amp;#x2F;09&amp;#x2F;whatsapp-ba...&lt;/a&gt;</text><parent_chain><item><author>ericmay</author><text>At JPM a VP isn’t going to have an org of 1,000+. That’s going to be managing director level. There are some VPs on the business side that can have numerous employees but that’s about it. In finance you can equate VP to being senior and line manager level at other companies Google, Meta, etc.&lt;p&gt;One you hit executive director things change a bit. Managing director is the real deal.&lt;p&gt;Agreeing with&amp;#x2F;adding to your post here:&lt;p&gt;With that being said this Reddit post has some fishy elements to me. I wouldn’t doubt the existence of this so called WADU but the capabilities (and laughable suggestions in the Reddit post like “don’t use a corporate laptop” as if JPM issues corporate laptops - most employees use the stupid VDI) seem a little outrageous to me. More likely scenario is they just track badge in and badge out and maybe something like the number of meetings on your calendar and do some super basic reporting up the chain to the HR tech teams who are trying to figure out what to do with the workforce.&lt;p&gt;Now from the article:&lt;p&gt;“Some employees described adopting unusual behaviors to evade the system&amp;#x27;s detection during breaks or interludes throughout the day.”&lt;p&gt;I don’t know where these so called employees work, but at least in the corporate offices uh nobody pays any mind to any breaks you take unless you have some really anal manager. At the Polaris office in Columbus people bring walking shoes and do laps and things. They have lots of space intended for leaving your desk and grabbing coffee or meeting. The Starbucks in there at the time I was there was supposedly one of the most busy Starbucks locations you could find. I don’t think they’re worried about taking breaks.&lt;p&gt;“Another current employee within the firm&amp;#x27;s commercial-banking division said she and her colleagues have resorted to discussing some work-related topics on forums like the iMessage app”&lt;p&gt;You mean like just normal work? You don’t text your colleagues? Since when is iMessage a forum? Dumb.&lt;p&gt;The article is really lacking substance and the Reddit post seems kind of conspiratorial. Is JPM tracking things like how long your VDI session is open and your badge in&amp;#x2F;out? Yea definitely. Is it some big AI conspiracy? No. To what end anyway?&lt;p&gt;Source -&amp;gt; worked in Digital tech for a little over 4 years and have a number of close friends who still work there and numerous colleagues in executive and managing director level roles.</text></item><item><author>shmatt</author><text>Kind of terrifying to see all the comments just believing it as is&lt;p&gt;Line managers, even managers of managers, would have 0 loyalty to the company and could easily prove this is all true. The thousands of employees could prove the webcam flash every laptop login.&lt;p&gt;Things like this would be VP+ (who would have an org of 1000 or more, why would they even look if one of their reports body language is different this morning?) if it even existed under such a secretive blanket. Plus banks are literally known in the tech world as having the absolute oldest and crumbling tech&lt;p&gt;And lastly, as someone who works in the CV world, even having all those cameras up, successfully streaming, uploading, and inferencing as described in that post would be a technological marvel</text></item></parent_chain></comment><story><title>JPMorgan Chase and Co tracks employees to dystopian extents</title><url>https://old.reddit.com/r/antiwork/comments/13ijhae/came_back_to_a_post_here_but_it_was_removed_from/</url></story>