<instructions>Your goal is to analyze the following comment and estimate how highly it will be upvoted by the Hacker News community.</instructions><comment><author>viraptor</author><text>&amp;gt; But downloading the entire copyrighted font file, generating a character sheet from it and clipping the individual characters from that sheet&lt;p&gt;That&amp;#x27;s not what this project is doing. It&amp;#x27;s extracting the characters from already published pictures, without touching the original font files at all.</text><parent_chain><item><author>r3trohack3r</author><text>Fun to think about, have personally gone down this rabbit hole before, but I&amp;#x27;d be surprised if this was permitted by courts.&lt;p&gt;&amp;gt; The key point here is that the shape of the glyphs themselves, for example, non-trademarked text posted on advertisements or products with printed text, are not copyrightable. So long as you’re not stealing the creative work, like the advertisement, itself, the shape of each letter is in the public domain.&lt;p&gt;There is a jump from this assertion to:&lt;p&gt;&amp;gt; This got me thinking, as all things do, on whether I could simply scrape the internet for public, non-creative, non-trademarked use of fonts&lt;p&gt;The missing step here is that the glyphs for a webpage are not embedded in some sort of rendered image or physical medium. They&amp;#x27;re _rendered from the copyrighted font file_ to the browser.&lt;p&gt;The font file is delivered to the browser and that copyrighted file is used to render the glyphs.&lt;p&gt;This pipeline might work for creating a font that is &amp;quot;inspired by&amp;quot; the available glyphs rendered in the credits of your favorite film.&lt;p&gt;But downloading the entire copyrighted font file, generating a character sheet from it and clipping the individual characters from that sheet? I can&amp;#x27;t imagine how any sensible court system would not consider that a derivative work.</text></item></parent_chain></comment><story><title>How to legally pirate every font</title><url>https://blog.willdepue.com/how-to-legally-pirate-all-fonts-in-an-afternoon</url></story>
<instructions>Your goal is to analyze the following comment and estimate how highly it will be upvoted by the Hacker News community.</instructions><comment><author>abirch</author><text>I believe he&amp;#x27;s downloading png files from Meta, converting them to SVG, then creating the glyphs. I&amp;#x27;m not sure what the law is on this, but there&amp;#x27;s no need for the font files to ever be on your computer. E.g.,  &lt;a href=&quot;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;render.myfonts.net&amp;#x2F;fonts&amp;#x2F;font_rend.php?id=a6719376b92bdadcac7abeed4363c796&amp;amp;rt=HackerNews&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow noreferrer&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;render.myfonts.net&amp;#x2F;fonts&amp;#x2F;font_rend.php?id=a6719376b9...&lt;/a&gt;</text><parent_chain><item><author>r3trohack3r</author><text>Fun to think about, have personally gone down this rabbit hole before, but I&amp;#x27;d be surprised if this was permitted by courts.&lt;p&gt;&amp;gt; The key point here is that the shape of the glyphs themselves, for example, non-trademarked text posted on advertisements or products with printed text, are not copyrightable. So long as you’re not stealing the creative work, like the advertisement, itself, the shape of each letter is in the public domain.&lt;p&gt;There is a jump from this assertion to:&lt;p&gt;&amp;gt; This got me thinking, as all things do, on whether I could simply scrape the internet for public, non-creative, non-trademarked use of fonts&lt;p&gt;The missing step here is that the glyphs for a webpage are not embedded in some sort of rendered image or physical medium. They&amp;#x27;re _rendered from the copyrighted font file_ to the browser.&lt;p&gt;The font file is delivered to the browser and that copyrighted file is used to render the glyphs.&lt;p&gt;This pipeline might work for creating a font that is &amp;quot;inspired by&amp;quot; the available glyphs rendered in the credits of your favorite film.&lt;p&gt;But downloading the entire copyrighted font file, generating a character sheet from it and clipping the individual characters from that sheet? I can&amp;#x27;t imagine how any sensible court system would not consider that a derivative work.</text></item></parent_chain></comment><story><title>How to legally pirate every font</title><url>https://blog.willdepue.com/how-to-legally-pirate-all-fonts-in-an-afternoon</url></story>