<instructions>Your goal is to analyze the following comment and estimate how highly it will be upvoted by the Hacker News community.</instructions><comment><author>MarcusVorenus</author><text>Sound like sour grapes and No True Scotsman to me. The president, who is leading negotiations, was elected democratically, and Congress, who decides whether this treaty becomes law or not, was also elected democratically. If the people dislike how the government is doing things they have only themselves to blame for electing these representatives.&lt;p&gt;To be honest I don&amp;#x27;t believe anybody really cares about the ideals of democracy. If the same secrecy was being used to push legislation you supported you wouldn&amp;#x27;t be whining at all, you would probably be defending it instead because you would rationalize that passing the law is more important than the method used to pass it.</text><parent_chain><item><author>cies</author><text>&amp;gt; undermines democracy&lt;p&gt;Sorry which democracy? If these talks and their outcomes are already a secret (without discussing matters of national security), then this is one more reason for me not to consider the EU nor the US a democracy. The people have just a tiny fraction of power compared to the corps.&lt;p&gt;Let&amp;#x27;s just be fair and teach the next generations that our countries have been hijacked by corps+lobbyists, and that democracy is just a word used to make people accept their totalitarian power.</text></item></parent_chain></comment><story><title>TTIP explained: The secretive US-EU treaty that undermines democracy</title><url>http://arstechnica.co.uk/tech-policy/2015/05/ttip-explained-the-secretive-us-eu-treaty-that-undermines-democracy/</url></story>
<instructions>Your goal is to analyze the following comment and estimate how highly it will be upvoted by the Hacker News community.</instructions><comment><author>joeyspn</author><text>Exactly, we live in a de facto Corporatocracy, and this treaty is the biggest proof that &lt;i&gt;democracy&lt;/i&gt; was pushed into the background long time ago.&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&amp;#x2F;wiki&amp;#x2F;Corporatocracy&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&amp;#x2F;wiki&amp;#x2F;Corporatocracy&lt;/a&gt;</text><parent_chain><item><author>cies</author><text>&amp;gt; undermines democracy&lt;p&gt;Sorry which democracy? If these talks and their outcomes are already a secret (without discussing matters of national security), then this is one more reason for me not to consider the EU nor the US a democracy. The people have just a tiny fraction of power compared to the corps.&lt;p&gt;Let&amp;#x27;s just be fair and teach the next generations that our countries have been hijacked by corps+lobbyists, and that democracy is just a word used to make people accept their totalitarian power.</text></item></parent_chain></comment><story><title>TTIP explained: The secretive US-EU treaty that undermines democracy</title><url>http://arstechnica.co.uk/tech-policy/2015/05/ttip-explained-the-secretive-us-eu-treaty-that-undermines-democracy/</url></story>