<instructions>Your goal is to analyze the following comment and estimate how highly it will be upvoted by the Hacker News community.</instructions><comment><author>jgraham</author><text>&amp;gt; The fathers are looked at negatively if the don’t take some of this time.&lt;p&gt;This isn&amp;#x27;t just an apriori fact of the culture, but an intentional result of the structure of the leave.&lt;p&gt;90 days are reserved for each parent (there&amp;#x27;s an exception for single parents) i.e. if the father doesn&amp;#x27;t take those 3 months they are lost. Apparently before this policy came into effect, fathers would typically take very little leave. But once there was an incentive to take 3 months they began to take longer periods and split the overall time more evenly.&lt;p&gt;So even though it&amp;#x27;s part of the culture, it&amp;#x27;s not impossible to understand how it came to be, and therefore not impossible to replicate elsewhere.</text><parent_chain><item><author>car</author><text>Compare this to 480 days of shared and paid parental leave in Sweden at 80% salary.&lt;p&gt;The fathers are looked at negatively if the &lt;i&gt;don’t&lt;/i&gt; take some of this time.&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;www.businessinsider.com&amp;#x2F;sweden-maternity-leave-paternity-leave-policies-latte-dads-2018-4&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;www.businessinsider.com&amp;#x2F;sweden-maternity-leave-pater...&lt;/a&gt;</text></item></parent_chain></comment><story><title>French fathers will now get 28 days of paternity leave</title><url>https://www.vogue.com/article/french-fathers-paternity-leave-doubled/</url></story>
<instructions>Your goal is to analyze the following comment and estimate how highly it will be upvoted by the Hacker News community.</instructions><comment><author>mytailorisrich</author><text>France has both paternity leave and parental leave, which are different things.&lt;p&gt;France has 1 year parental leaves, which may be extended up to a total of 3 years (and more in case of twins, etc). But they are unpaid though the employee may then qualify for various benefits.&lt;p&gt;There is also a &amp;#x27;birth leave&amp;#x27; of 3 days. So when you have a baby you can have a 3 day leave at birth, then the now 28 day paternity leave within the next 4 months, and an unpaid 1-3 year parental leave.&lt;p&gt;Iirc, the first leave is on full pay by the employer, the second on capped pay by a special state benefit (but employers can top up), and the third is unpaid though, as mentioned, other benefits exist subject to conditions.&lt;p&gt;The idea being that one leave is for attending the actual birth (in France mothers are usually kept in hospital for a few days after birth in order to recover and to be taught how to look after a baby, fathers are welcome during the day), one leave is for bonding with the new born baby, and the third leave is, if needed, to look after the baby until (s)he reaches free nursery school age.&lt;p&gt;French admin is always as simple as can be, not ;)&lt;p&gt;In my case, at the time I worked for a company that offered a lot of annual leaves (I had about 8 weeks a year) so took normal annual leaves instead of the paternity leave after the initial 3 day &amp;quot;birth leave&amp;quot; in order not to lose money as the paternity leave cap was quite lower than most engineers earn.</text><parent_chain><item><author>car</author><text>Compare this to 480 days of shared and paid parental leave in Sweden at 80% salary.&lt;p&gt;The fathers are looked at negatively if the &lt;i&gt;don’t&lt;/i&gt; take some of this time.&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;www.businessinsider.com&amp;#x2F;sweden-maternity-leave-paternity-leave-policies-latte-dads-2018-4&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;www.businessinsider.com&amp;#x2F;sweden-maternity-leave-pater...&lt;/a&gt;</text></item></parent_chain></comment><story><title>French fathers will now get 28 days of paternity leave</title><url>https://www.vogue.com/article/french-fathers-paternity-leave-doubled/</url></story>