<instructions>Your goal is to analyze the following comment and estimate how highly it will be upvoted by the Hacker News community.</instructions><comment><author>janoc</author><text>You forgot the very &amp;quot;unimportant&amp;quot; detail which was that electric cars in Norway were zero VAT and tax for electric cars until this year (normal VAT is 25%).&lt;p&gt;Well, gee, no wonder that people were buying them left and right when the tax discount was about 16-20k NOK per car on average!&lt;p&gt;And that is just buying the car - Norway subsidizes electric mobility in many other ways so even today registering a new electric is cheaper than a gasoline car, despite the gas powered vehicles normally costing about 50% less.&lt;p&gt;So, please, when waving this sort of argument about, don&amp;#x27;t &amp;quot;forget&amp;quot; to put it in context.&lt;p&gt;Norway is a special case because of government policies, not because Tesla did anything particularly great there. They were just the only ones on the market at the time so people essentially had to buy a Tesla if they wanted to benefit from the generous subsidies because there simply wasn&amp;#x27;t anything else available. Today the situation is different, though.</text><parent_chain><item><author>hmottestad</author><text>In Norway they revolutionised the car market. They were the very first electric car that people actually wanted to buy. If it hadn’t been for Tesla proving the market for electric cars, I don’t think any other brands would have bothered. So far in 2023 83% of all new cars are electric.&lt;p&gt;In 2022 every fourth car sold (including petrol&amp;#x2F;diesel) was a Tesla.&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;elbil.no&amp;#x2F;om-elbil&amp;#x2F;elbilstatistikk&amp;#x2F;&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow noreferrer&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;elbil.no&amp;#x2F;om-elbil&amp;#x2F;elbilstatistikk&amp;#x2F;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;www.elbil24.no&amp;#x2F;nyheter&amp;#x2F;hver-fjerde-nybil-var-en-tesla&amp;#x2F;77336639&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow noreferrer&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;www.elbil24.no&amp;#x2F;nyheter&amp;#x2F;hver-fjerde-nybil-var-en-tesl...&lt;/a&gt;</text></item><item><author>bayindirh</author><text>&amp;gt; they change the world. For the better.&lt;p&gt;That&amp;#x27;s up for a through debate, but not today. Let&amp;#x27;s leave it at I don&amp;#x27;t agree that part 100%.</text></item><item><author>nickpp</author><text>&amp;gt; They move fast and break things.&lt;p&gt;You forgot the third: they (Silicon Valley) also change the world. For the better. Most of my (and my family’s) every  day work and fun are coming from SV. I would not give it up for anything else. If occasionally breaking things is the price - I am more than willing to pay it.</text></item><item><author>bayindirh</author><text>I think Tesla embodies the SV mindset very well, even demonstrates it in a tangible form.&lt;p&gt;They move fast and break things.</text></item><item><author>bmitc</author><text>Is this really a surprise? There are physical realities, and a single company can&amp;#x27;t suddenly reinvent a century of industry experience with some Silicon Valley pixie dust and government subsidies. Tesla, like many startups, is just rediscovering what it takes to build a car and what other companies have already figured out. Bringing a new drivetrain is not enough.</text></item></parent_chain></comment><story><title>Breakdown of faults by car brand: Tesla has replaced Dacia at the bottom</title><url>https://www.tuvsud.com/en/press-and-media/2023/november/regular-servicing-makes-all-the-difference</url></story>
<instructions>Your goal is to analyze the following comment and estimate how highly it will be upvoted by the Hacker News community.</instructions><comment><author>aeyes</author><text>This is not true, the Leaf was selling in the thousands before Tesla entered the Norwegian market in mid 2013. The Leaf was the best selling car of all new cars in October 2013.</text><parent_chain><item><author>hmottestad</author><text>In Norway they revolutionised the car market. They were the very first electric car that people actually wanted to buy. If it hadn’t been for Tesla proving the market for electric cars, I don’t think any other brands would have bothered. So far in 2023 83% of all new cars are electric.&lt;p&gt;In 2022 every fourth car sold (including petrol&amp;#x2F;diesel) was a Tesla.&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;elbil.no&amp;#x2F;om-elbil&amp;#x2F;elbilstatistikk&amp;#x2F;&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow noreferrer&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;elbil.no&amp;#x2F;om-elbil&amp;#x2F;elbilstatistikk&amp;#x2F;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;www.elbil24.no&amp;#x2F;nyheter&amp;#x2F;hver-fjerde-nybil-var-en-tesla&amp;#x2F;77336639&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow noreferrer&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;www.elbil24.no&amp;#x2F;nyheter&amp;#x2F;hver-fjerde-nybil-var-en-tesl...&lt;/a&gt;</text></item><item><author>bayindirh</author><text>&amp;gt; they change the world. For the better.&lt;p&gt;That&amp;#x27;s up for a through debate, but not today. Let&amp;#x27;s leave it at I don&amp;#x27;t agree that part 100%.</text></item><item><author>nickpp</author><text>&amp;gt; They move fast and break things.&lt;p&gt;You forgot the third: they (Silicon Valley) also change the world. For the better. Most of my (and my family’s) every  day work and fun are coming from SV. I would not give it up for anything else. If occasionally breaking things is the price - I am more than willing to pay it.</text></item><item><author>bayindirh</author><text>I think Tesla embodies the SV mindset very well, even demonstrates it in a tangible form.&lt;p&gt;They move fast and break things.</text></item><item><author>bmitc</author><text>Is this really a surprise? There are physical realities, and a single company can&amp;#x27;t suddenly reinvent a century of industry experience with some Silicon Valley pixie dust and government subsidies. Tesla, like many startups, is just rediscovering what it takes to build a car and what other companies have already figured out. Bringing a new drivetrain is not enough.</text></item></parent_chain></comment><story><title>Breakdown of faults by car brand: Tesla has replaced Dacia at the bottom</title><url>https://www.tuvsud.com/en/press-and-media/2023/november/regular-servicing-makes-all-the-difference</url></story>