<instructions>Your goal is to analyze the following comment and estimate how highly it will be upvoted by the Hacker News community.</instructions><comment><author>NathanKP</author><text>I&amp;#x27;ve been on HN for 11 years now, and each year its been more negative. At some point the best way to get upvotes turned into &amp;quot;say something pedantic that contradicts the parent post or criticizes it.&amp;quot;&lt;p&gt;This is a big part of the reason why I dialed my contributions way back, and I&amp;#x27;ve heard the same from many other great people in the IRL tech community that I respect. Unfortunately each time a positive person stops contributing on HN it just leads to the site becoming more negative. It is a vicious cycle.</text><parent_chain><item><author>paxys</author><text>Yes and no.&lt;p&gt;I think it&amp;#x27;s better in terms of overall &amp;quot;health&amp;quot; (content, toxicity, moderation, privacy, spam) than other, more popular forums (e.g. Reddit), but that could just be directly because of its small size and relatively niche appeal.&lt;p&gt;My biggest problem is that it stopped being a community for tech entrepreneurs a long time ago. Everyone is now bearish on everything by default. Every idea is pointless. Every new product is useless. Every company is evil. There&amp;#x27;s no point building or launching anything. It&amp;#x27;s just people complaining about everything rather than improving things and building the future.</text></item></parent_chain></comment><story><title>Ask HN: Is HN a ‘healthy online community’? I’m doing a case study for a class</title><text>Hello HN! My name is Sankalp. I’m taking a class called Fixing Social Media at MIT (&lt;a href=&quot;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;fixingsocialmedia.mit.edu&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;fixingsocialmedia.mit.edu&lt;/a&gt;). We are examining problems with existing modes of social media and exploring affirmative visions for social media that are good for individuals and society.&lt;p&gt;At this point, the class is working on case studies of successful and healthy online communities, where we are seeking insights from online communities we are part of, inspired by, or find interesting. The goal of the assignment is to figure out whether an online community exemplifies or doesn’t exemplify ‘healthy’ behaviors, from the points of view of their own members, on their own terms. I’m here to understand HN from your perspectives and I’m interested in hearing from all of you.&lt;p&gt;What criteria do you use to determine &amp;#x27;health&amp;#x27; in online communities? How do these differ from those criteria you use to determine ‘health’ in offline communities you are in? How does HN exemplify or not exemplify &amp;#x27;healthy&amp;#x27; behaviors? What behaviors of your own would you acknowledge may or may not contribute to the overall ‘health’ of HN?&lt;p&gt;How did you get into HN? Who introduced you? What makes you stay?&lt;p&gt;I began using HN as a source for news, projects, ideas, etc. a couple years ago when a mentor referred me here, but I hadn’t made an account until this week for this Ask HN. I check HN once or twice daily and I actually stay for the discussion as much as the links shared by HN members.&lt;p&gt;In case this is helpful for our discussion, something that our class recently discussed is that communities with controversy aren&amp;#x27;t necessarily &amp;#x27;unhealthy&amp;#x27; — as in, the ability of some communities to work through a controversy and maintain coherence, and to exist as multiple voices coming out of a controversy can be an indicator of being &amp;#x27;healthy&amp;#x27;.&lt;p&gt;I aim to share my findings as well. I hope these questions are interesting to you and that we can hear a variety of perspectives in the comments!</text></story>
<instructions>Your goal is to analyze the following comment and estimate how highly it will be upvoted by the Hacker News community.</instructions><comment><author>smoyer</author><text>Interesting perspective - I never really thought about the tone of my comments.  I&amp;#x27;ve always played &amp;quot;the devil&amp;#x27;s advocate&amp;quot; because it&amp;#x27;s the way that the smaller start-ups I was involved with stay alive.  I&amp;#x27;m going to make sure that I praise good ideas first ... and then perhaps warn of potential pitfalls.  Sorry if I participated in turning HN into a downer.&lt;p&gt;As an aside, I don&amp;#x27;t read HN that way.  Even when there&amp;#x27;s a pessimistic tone, I often read right through it and think to myself &amp;quot;that&amp;#x27;s some good advice&amp;quot;.  It will be interesting to see whether we become more bearish simply due to the COVID-19 environment we&amp;#x27;re all working in now.</text><parent_chain><item><author>paxys</author><text>Yes and no.&lt;p&gt;I think it&amp;#x27;s better in terms of overall &amp;quot;health&amp;quot; (content, toxicity, moderation, privacy, spam) than other, more popular forums (e.g. Reddit), but that could just be directly because of its small size and relatively niche appeal.&lt;p&gt;My biggest problem is that it stopped being a community for tech entrepreneurs a long time ago. Everyone is now bearish on everything by default. Every idea is pointless. Every new product is useless. Every company is evil. There&amp;#x27;s no point building or launching anything. It&amp;#x27;s just people complaining about everything rather than improving things and building the future.</text></item></parent_chain></comment><story><title>Ask HN: Is HN a ‘healthy online community’? I’m doing a case study for a class</title><text>Hello HN! My name is Sankalp. I’m taking a class called Fixing Social Media at MIT (&lt;a href=&quot;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;fixingsocialmedia.mit.edu&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;fixingsocialmedia.mit.edu&lt;/a&gt;). We are examining problems with existing modes of social media and exploring affirmative visions for social media that are good for individuals and society.&lt;p&gt;At this point, the class is working on case studies of successful and healthy online communities, where we are seeking insights from online communities we are part of, inspired by, or find interesting. The goal of the assignment is to figure out whether an online community exemplifies or doesn’t exemplify ‘healthy’ behaviors, from the points of view of their own members, on their own terms. I’m here to understand HN from your perspectives and I’m interested in hearing from all of you.&lt;p&gt;What criteria do you use to determine &amp;#x27;health&amp;#x27; in online communities? How do these differ from those criteria you use to determine ‘health’ in offline communities you are in? How does HN exemplify or not exemplify &amp;#x27;healthy&amp;#x27; behaviors? What behaviors of your own would you acknowledge may or may not contribute to the overall ‘health’ of HN?&lt;p&gt;How did you get into HN? Who introduced you? What makes you stay?&lt;p&gt;I began using HN as a source for news, projects, ideas, etc. a couple years ago when a mentor referred me here, but I hadn’t made an account until this week for this Ask HN. I check HN once or twice daily and I actually stay for the discussion as much as the links shared by HN members.&lt;p&gt;In case this is helpful for our discussion, something that our class recently discussed is that communities with controversy aren&amp;#x27;t necessarily &amp;#x27;unhealthy&amp;#x27; — as in, the ability of some communities to work through a controversy and maintain coherence, and to exist as multiple voices coming out of a controversy can be an indicator of being &amp;#x27;healthy&amp;#x27;.&lt;p&gt;I aim to share my findings as well. I hope these questions are interesting to you and that we can hear a variety of perspectives in the comments!</text></story>