<instructions>Your goal is to analyze the following comment and estimate how highly it will be upvoted by the Hacker News community.</instructions><comment><author>namelosw</author><text>Totally agree on there is no shortcut for &amp;quot;hacking&amp;quot; languages. But at the same time &amp;quot;The quality and type of practice you do matters a lot&amp;quot; as you&amp;#x27;ve said.&lt;p&gt;And also, for learning languages, one way could be significantly less painful than others.&lt;p&gt;I grew up in China, where almost every student struggles so much on English learning, every day. I found myself very easy to pass every exam and beating the average, without listening to the lectures or doing any homework - simply by playing video games (especially RPG). I was&amp;#x2F;am by no means excellent at English, but it was almost a totally free perk for me.&lt;p&gt;Basically video games are:&lt;p&gt;1. Designed to be both engaging and challenging, whereas schools suck at those so much.&lt;p&gt;2. Have specific and meaningful targets, if you failed to understand what&amp;#x27;s going on or what&amp;#x27;s the mechanism you&amp;#x27;re not likely to play along.&lt;p&gt;3. Including scenarios and plots. A lot of reading and listening activities. You don&amp;#x27;t have to appoint a teacher or native speaker to talk with you. You can start anytime you want (except I have intolerant parents so I have to play it sneakily).&lt;p&gt;4. Cheap.</text><parent_chain><item><author>BTBurke</author><text>I don&amp;#x27;t believe there is a shortcut for &amp;quot;hacking&amp;quot; languages.  I&amp;#x27;m a diplomat, and currently learning my fourth language to the C1+ level.&lt;p&gt;When we learn languages, it&amp;#x27;s a full time job. It was 9 months to learn Mandarin to a  B1, 6 months to a C1+ in Spanish, and I&amp;#x27;m currently at a B1 in Estonian after 5 months.&lt;p&gt;There are several things I think are crucial after years of full time study (note: this assumes you&amp;#x27;re going for professional fluency, not just touring around the country where interactions are largely scripted and predictable):&lt;p&gt;* There is no substitute for production - you must speak the language with a native speaker (not an app) and talk about topics that are relevant to the kind of scenarios you anticipate. We spend the first several months discussing current events in target language - at first scripted, then later free form. This builds vocabulary and helps fluency. This is quickly expanded to discussing current events in depth and participating in mock debates.&lt;p&gt;* Give mini presentations - target 3-5 minutes of talking about a relevant topic with little prep time. The difference between intermediate and advanced is the ability to move from discussing only facts to making a coherent argument. Native speakers will often not be able to follow your train of thought without learning to connect cause and effect using structures appropriate for your language.&lt;p&gt;* Interview native speakers - prepare 2-3 questions about a particular topic and check your comprehension by translating their answers to English. This obviously helps build your comprehension, but also helps to learn to &amp;quot;automate&amp;quot; comprehension while you are thinking about something else. If you can take notes in English while a native speaker is talking at normal speed (and achieving 90%+ accuracy), it will make it easier for you to participate in normal speed conversations.&lt;p&gt;* Read target language news - this is critical for expanding vocabulary and learning colocations - knowing what verbs are used in particular contexts (e.g., do they say &amp;quot;I talked &lt;i&gt;with&lt;/i&gt; X&amp;quot; or &amp;quot;I talked &lt;i&gt;to&lt;/i&gt; X&amp;quot;. Do they say country X shot, launched, or threw a rocket?)&lt;p&gt;Bottom line - language learning is not just about the number of hours you put in. The quality and type of practice you do matters a lot. You aren&amp;#x27;t going to be fluent via Duolingo alone.  You need to put in the time using structured practice with native speakers to really learn anything.</text></item></parent_chain></comment><story><title>I Learned French in 12 Months</title><url>http://www.runwes.com/2020/02/11/howilearnedfrench.html</url></story>
<instructions>Your goal is to analyze the following comment and estimate how highly it will be upvoted by the Hacker News community.</instructions><comment><author>rajlego</author><text>Have you heard of Stephen Krashen&amp;#x27;s Input Hypothesis? [1] There are a couple of parts to it but it essentially says that linguistic competence (a fancy way to say your innate knowledge of a language) only increases when you take in input. If you talk all day that doesn&amp;#x27;t really make you any better (since you don&amp;#x27;t learn anything new) unless you use a process like deliberate feedback to be corrected.  Personally I think it&amp;#x27;s much more useful to thus focus on reading&amp;#x2F;listening to start and then later move on to speaking&amp;#x2F;writing. I learned Spanish through normal school and while I can speak fast the fact that I haven&amp;#x27;t had much real input really shows since I&amp;#x27;m generally just translating English -&amp;gt; spanish and I don&amp;#x27;t know if I&amp;#x27;m using grammar right since I haven&amp;#x27;t heard it enough.&lt;p&gt;[1] &lt;a href=&quot;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&amp;#x2F;wiki&amp;#x2F;Input_hypothesis&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&amp;#x2F;wiki&amp;#x2F;Input_hypothesis&lt;/a&gt;</text><parent_chain><item><author>BTBurke</author><text>I don&amp;#x27;t believe there is a shortcut for &amp;quot;hacking&amp;quot; languages.  I&amp;#x27;m a diplomat, and currently learning my fourth language to the C1+ level.&lt;p&gt;When we learn languages, it&amp;#x27;s a full time job. It was 9 months to learn Mandarin to a  B1, 6 months to a C1+ in Spanish, and I&amp;#x27;m currently at a B1 in Estonian after 5 months.&lt;p&gt;There are several things I think are crucial after years of full time study (note: this assumes you&amp;#x27;re going for professional fluency, not just touring around the country where interactions are largely scripted and predictable):&lt;p&gt;* There is no substitute for production - you must speak the language with a native speaker (not an app) and talk about topics that are relevant to the kind of scenarios you anticipate. We spend the first several months discussing current events in target language - at first scripted, then later free form. This builds vocabulary and helps fluency. This is quickly expanded to discussing current events in depth and participating in mock debates.&lt;p&gt;* Give mini presentations - target 3-5 minutes of talking about a relevant topic with little prep time. The difference between intermediate and advanced is the ability to move from discussing only facts to making a coherent argument. Native speakers will often not be able to follow your train of thought without learning to connect cause and effect using structures appropriate for your language.&lt;p&gt;* Interview native speakers - prepare 2-3 questions about a particular topic and check your comprehension by translating their answers to English. This obviously helps build your comprehension, but also helps to learn to &amp;quot;automate&amp;quot; comprehension while you are thinking about something else. If you can take notes in English while a native speaker is talking at normal speed (and achieving 90%+ accuracy), it will make it easier for you to participate in normal speed conversations.&lt;p&gt;* Read target language news - this is critical for expanding vocabulary and learning colocations - knowing what verbs are used in particular contexts (e.g., do they say &amp;quot;I talked &lt;i&gt;with&lt;/i&gt; X&amp;quot; or &amp;quot;I talked &lt;i&gt;to&lt;/i&gt; X&amp;quot;. Do they say country X shot, launched, or threw a rocket?)&lt;p&gt;Bottom line - language learning is not just about the number of hours you put in. The quality and type of practice you do matters a lot. You aren&amp;#x27;t going to be fluent via Duolingo alone.  You need to put in the time using structured practice with native speakers to really learn anything.</text></item></parent_chain></comment><story><title>I Learned French in 12 Months</title><url>http://www.runwes.com/2020/02/11/howilearnedfrench.html</url></story>