<instructions>Your goal is to analyze the following comment and estimate how highly it will be upvoted by the Hacker News community.</instructions><comment><author>noir_lord</author><text>The last time I managed outsourced developers I made this joke.&lt;p&gt;&amp;quot;There are some truly amazing Indian developers, it&amp;#x27;s just a shame none of them are in India&amp;quot;.&lt;p&gt;My observation was that the outsourced developers I managed, the good ones usually got visa&amp;#x27;s and buggered off abroad even though they where getting near UK wages in India they could earn more by moving.</text><parent_chain><item><author>t1o5</author><text>The author forgot to mention how much he paid for the offshore team. There was no mention of money in the things that went wrong. I think the cost is a very important factor if you expect a high quality project.&lt;p&gt;I have seen many people who bash India and Indian engineers for low quality work, but lets get to the crux of the problem. Its not that Indian engineers are all bad. They come in all shapes and sizes. You will get the best ones if you pay enough. You pay cheap, you get cheap.&lt;p&gt;Where can you get cheap ones ? From those big IT companies who treats employees as resources. The employees in turn will also treat their jobs along those lines.&lt;p&gt;So if you need high quality work, please don&amp;#x27;t go to these giant corporations. If you look hard enough, you will find small high quality places, but they are not cheap and not &amp;#x27;scalable&amp;#x27; like your manager wants them to be.</text></item></parent_chain></comment><story><title>My experience with off-shoring teams and what went wrong</title><url>https://return.co.de/blog/articles/india-scaling-people/</url></story>
<instructions>Your goal is to analyze the following comment and estimate how highly it will be upvoted by the Hacker News community.</instructions><comment><author>debaserab2</author><text>In my experience with off shore development I found the people I worked with to be extremely hard working and eager to learn. The programming was never the problem, the problem was the lack of understanding the business use cases of what we were building. Because they had no proximity to the business problem we were attempting to solve, they had a hard time making the right decision on their own. Specs had to be very, very detailed.</text><parent_chain><item><author>t1o5</author><text>The author forgot to mention how much he paid for the offshore team. There was no mention of money in the things that went wrong. I think the cost is a very important factor if you expect a high quality project.&lt;p&gt;I have seen many people who bash India and Indian engineers for low quality work, but lets get to the crux of the problem. Its not that Indian engineers are all bad. They come in all shapes and sizes. You will get the best ones if you pay enough. You pay cheap, you get cheap.&lt;p&gt;Where can you get cheap ones ? From those big IT companies who treats employees as resources. The employees in turn will also treat their jobs along those lines.&lt;p&gt;So if you need high quality work, please don&amp;#x27;t go to these giant corporations. If you look hard enough, you will find small high quality places, but they are not cheap and not &amp;#x27;scalable&amp;#x27; like your manager wants them to be.</text></item></parent_chain></comment><story><title>My experience with off-shoring teams and what went wrong</title><url>https://return.co.de/blog/articles/india-scaling-people/</url></story>