<instructions>Your goal is to analyze the following comment and estimate how highly it will be upvoted by the Hacker News community.</instructions><comment><author>refurb</author><text>Your story got my upvote.&lt;p&gt;I felt my blood pressure rising just reading that.  But I do have to applaud your complaint to the Ohio Department of Insurance.  What I&amp;#x27;ve noticed is that companies like these tend not to be up on 100% of regulations.  If you&amp;#x27;re willing to spend an hour or two doing some research, you&amp;#x27;re likely to find some obscure violation that your local gov&amp;#x27;t is more than happy to use to make an example out of them.</text><parent_chain><item><author>istjohn</author><text>I&amp;#x27;m so glad you asked!&lt;p&gt;It seems that the US self-storage market can be roughly segmented into two groups: UHaul Self-Storage and everyone else. UHaul is up to double the cost of their budget competitors like Public Storage. I&amp;#x27;m budget conscious, so I quickly ruled out UHaul.&lt;p&gt;The other companies all follow the same template. I didn&amp;#x27;t find any locally-owned self-storage companies, only franchises. It&amp;#x27;s impossible to call the local franchise office directly, even after you&amp;#x27;ve rented a unit. The phone numbers listed in ads and on websites have local area codes but they are forwarded to national call centers.&lt;p&gt;My first attempt to rent a unit, I find the best rate online, drive to the facility, and ask to rent a unit at the advertised rate. The manager has me fill out the application. The lock I&amp;#x27;ll need is $10. Sure, that&amp;#x27;s reasonable, I guess. Then she explains that there is a $20 move-in fee. No problem! This fee was hidden in a footnote on the comparison shopping site, but I spotted it and was willing to pay the 50% markup on the first month&amp;#x27;s rent. It&amp;#x27;s still a third of the cost of UHaul. But the amount she wanted to charge my card still seemed high.&lt;p&gt;&amp;quot;Well,&amp;quot; she explained, &amp;quot;it includes a $15 monthly insurance premium.&amp;quot;&lt;p&gt;&amp;quot;I don&amp;#x27;t need insurance.&amp;quot;&lt;p&gt;&amp;quot;Everyone&amp;#x27;s required to have insurance.&amp;quot;&lt;p&gt;I was indignant and walked out on principle. It was false advertising, plain and simple, and I refuse to reward that behavior with my business.&lt;p&gt;I now resolved to get an actual-for-real-no-takebacks final price over the phone before driving anywhere else. So I sat in my car and called a local Public Storage franchise. Or tried to. This is when I learned about the call centers. I was frustrated at having just driven 20 minutes for nothing, and getting a call center agent after dialing a local area code phone number did nothing to improve my mood. The agent asked for my first name. Then she asked for my email address. I balked. I explained to the agent that I just wanted to get an actual-for-real-no-takebacks quote to rent a storage unit at my local Public Storage franchise. She couldn&amp;#x27;t tell me. I&amp;#x27;d have to ask the local manager, she explained.&lt;p&gt;&amp;quot;OK, can you just give me the phone number?&amp;quot; I asked, exasperated.&lt;p&gt;&amp;quot;Once I get done with you&amp;quot; she responded impatiently.&lt;p&gt;I was incredulous. Some of the quotes in this story may not be word-for-word accurate. But that is a word-for-word quote: &amp;quot;Once I get done with you.&amp;quot;&lt;p&gt;In what is not my proudest moment, I informed her that I was quite certain we would be altogether done very soon, but first I would like to express what a dumpster fire I have found the self-storage industry to be. My prophecy came to pass as she soon hung up on me.&lt;p&gt;At this point, I was becoming less price-sensitive. I didn&amp;#x27;t embark on this venture thinking quality customer service would be a high priority for me, but I didn&amp;#x27;t realize how low the baseline was in this industry.&lt;p&gt;There was a reasonably priced place near my home, so I decided to drive there. I figured there couldn&amp;#x27;t be much more that could be unexpected at this point. I filled out the application and listened patiently as she explained the move-in fee and required insurance. I wasn&amp;#x27;t completely resigned, however, and I asked if I could forego the insurance, perhaps by signing a waiver. She told me the insurance was required by state law. I wasn&amp;#x27;t going to argue with her--I really just needed to rent a unit already--but that seemed highly unlikely. I rented the unit.&lt;p&gt;But when I got home, I did some research, and it turns out, she wasn&amp;#x27;t as far off as you might think. Ohio does have a state law devoted to self-storage unit insurance[1], believe it or not. But rather than mandating insurance, the law sets out a number of regulations that self-storage providers must follow in order to sell insurance to their customers. Normally, an agent must pass a test to be certified to sell insurance, but this law, which was passed at the behest of the self-storage lobby, makes a special cut-out so that minimally trained self-storage company staff can sell company-mandated insurance to their customers as a hidden monthly fee they can tack on to advertised prices without getting in trouble for false advertising.&lt;p&gt;And hey, what do you know? The business did not comply with several points in the regulations. For example, the literature describing the insurance did not include various mandated disclosures. So I went ahead and wrote a complaint to the Ohio Department of Insurance outlining the violations.&lt;p&gt;1. &lt;a href=&quot;http:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;codes.ohio.gov&amp;#x2F;orc&amp;#x2F;3905.063&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;codes.ohio.gov&amp;#x2F;orc&amp;#x2F;3905.063&lt;/a&gt;</text></item><item><author>nicolas_t</author><text>Now I&amp;#x27;m curious about self storage companies. So I&amp;#x27;m asking you :)</text></item><item><author>istjohn</author><text>I considered filing a complaint with the police department, but I&amp;#x27;m skeptical anything would have come of it. Ideally, I would have done it regardless. It&amp;#x27;s true that the root problem will not be addressed if people don&amp;#x27;t pursue things.&lt;p&gt;I think on net I do more than my fair share of tilting at windmills though. Ask me about self-storage companies sometime.</text></item><item><author>nobrains</author><text>And you did not follow-up why the accident report was not filed? I usually keep following up on such cases, until all issues are resolved. It is a net negative investment for me, since the time and effort I have to put in it, is not worth it, but I get 2 satisfactions out of it:&lt;p&gt;1) Hopefully whoever &amp;quot;played&amp;quot; will learn a lesson not to again.&lt;p&gt;2) Hopefully the overall problem (whether it is bad customer service, strong arm tactics, etc.) will slowly be fixed.&lt;p&gt;I guess in your case, you already used up your quota of fighting-the-system when you had to argue with both the cop and the tow-man.</text></item><item><author>istjohn</author><text>This calls to mind an incident from a couple years ago in Columbus, Ohio. After a negligent lane-changing sedan spun my car 360 degrees and into the rail guard, the responding police officer ordered a tow truck for me without my knowledge. When the truck arrived, the driver told me he could either take my car to his body shop or the city impound lot, in which case I would need to pay later for a second tow to the body shop of my choosing plus any storage fees.&lt;p&gt;I did not appreciate this strong arm sales tactic and told him he wasn&amp;#x27;t touching my vehicle. The cop insisted that I allow the tow. She apparently was required to stay at the scene until the disabled vehicles were removed and did not want to wait for a tow truck of my choosing. I held firm. After several minutes of back and forth, the cop begrudgingly allowed me to drive my heavily damaged vehicle a few hundred yards to an exit ramp and park it on a side street.&lt;p&gt;An accident report was never filed, so my insurance company wasn&amp;#x27;t able to collect damages from the other party&amp;#x27;s insurance on my behalf. Perhaps there was a clerical error or perhaps the cop wanted to punish my assertiveness.</text></item></parent_chain></comment><story><title>Toronto-area lawyer had to flee Canada after taking on the tow truck industry</title><url>https://www.ctvnews.ca/w5/this-toronto-area-lawyer-had-to-flee-the-country-after-taking-on-the-tow-truck-industry-1.5167869</url></story>
<instructions>Your goal is to analyze the following comment and estimate how highly it will be upvoted by the Hacker News community.</instructions><comment><author>kenned3</author><text>&amp;quot; UHaul is up to double the cost of their budget competitors like Public Storage.&amp;quot;&lt;p&gt;This is a HUGE red flag, and you probably would be better off with uhaul.  The &amp;quot;budget&amp;quot; guys will probably cost more once the hidden fees are paid.</text><parent_chain><item><author>istjohn</author><text>I&amp;#x27;m so glad you asked!&lt;p&gt;It seems that the US self-storage market can be roughly segmented into two groups: UHaul Self-Storage and everyone else. UHaul is up to double the cost of their budget competitors like Public Storage. I&amp;#x27;m budget conscious, so I quickly ruled out UHaul.&lt;p&gt;The other companies all follow the same template. I didn&amp;#x27;t find any locally-owned self-storage companies, only franchises. It&amp;#x27;s impossible to call the local franchise office directly, even after you&amp;#x27;ve rented a unit. The phone numbers listed in ads and on websites have local area codes but they are forwarded to national call centers.&lt;p&gt;My first attempt to rent a unit, I find the best rate online, drive to the facility, and ask to rent a unit at the advertised rate. The manager has me fill out the application. The lock I&amp;#x27;ll need is $10. Sure, that&amp;#x27;s reasonable, I guess. Then she explains that there is a $20 move-in fee. No problem! This fee was hidden in a footnote on the comparison shopping site, but I spotted it and was willing to pay the 50% markup on the first month&amp;#x27;s rent. It&amp;#x27;s still a third of the cost of UHaul. But the amount she wanted to charge my card still seemed high.&lt;p&gt;&amp;quot;Well,&amp;quot; she explained, &amp;quot;it includes a $15 monthly insurance premium.&amp;quot;&lt;p&gt;&amp;quot;I don&amp;#x27;t need insurance.&amp;quot;&lt;p&gt;&amp;quot;Everyone&amp;#x27;s required to have insurance.&amp;quot;&lt;p&gt;I was indignant and walked out on principle. It was false advertising, plain and simple, and I refuse to reward that behavior with my business.&lt;p&gt;I now resolved to get an actual-for-real-no-takebacks final price over the phone before driving anywhere else. So I sat in my car and called a local Public Storage franchise. Or tried to. This is when I learned about the call centers. I was frustrated at having just driven 20 minutes for nothing, and getting a call center agent after dialing a local area code phone number did nothing to improve my mood. The agent asked for my first name. Then she asked for my email address. I balked. I explained to the agent that I just wanted to get an actual-for-real-no-takebacks quote to rent a storage unit at my local Public Storage franchise. She couldn&amp;#x27;t tell me. I&amp;#x27;d have to ask the local manager, she explained.&lt;p&gt;&amp;quot;OK, can you just give me the phone number?&amp;quot; I asked, exasperated.&lt;p&gt;&amp;quot;Once I get done with you&amp;quot; she responded impatiently.&lt;p&gt;I was incredulous. Some of the quotes in this story may not be word-for-word accurate. But that is a word-for-word quote: &amp;quot;Once I get done with you.&amp;quot;&lt;p&gt;In what is not my proudest moment, I informed her that I was quite certain we would be altogether done very soon, but first I would like to express what a dumpster fire I have found the self-storage industry to be. My prophecy came to pass as she soon hung up on me.&lt;p&gt;At this point, I was becoming less price-sensitive. I didn&amp;#x27;t embark on this venture thinking quality customer service would be a high priority for me, but I didn&amp;#x27;t realize how low the baseline was in this industry.&lt;p&gt;There was a reasonably priced place near my home, so I decided to drive there. I figured there couldn&amp;#x27;t be much more that could be unexpected at this point. I filled out the application and listened patiently as she explained the move-in fee and required insurance. I wasn&amp;#x27;t completely resigned, however, and I asked if I could forego the insurance, perhaps by signing a waiver. She told me the insurance was required by state law. I wasn&amp;#x27;t going to argue with her--I really just needed to rent a unit already--but that seemed highly unlikely. I rented the unit.&lt;p&gt;But when I got home, I did some research, and it turns out, she wasn&amp;#x27;t as far off as you might think. Ohio does have a state law devoted to self-storage unit insurance[1], believe it or not. But rather than mandating insurance, the law sets out a number of regulations that self-storage providers must follow in order to sell insurance to their customers. Normally, an agent must pass a test to be certified to sell insurance, but this law, which was passed at the behest of the self-storage lobby, makes a special cut-out so that minimally trained self-storage company staff can sell company-mandated insurance to their customers as a hidden monthly fee they can tack on to advertised prices without getting in trouble for false advertising.&lt;p&gt;And hey, what do you know? The business did not comply with several points in the regulations. For example, the literature describing the insurance did not include various mandated disclosures. So I went ahead and wrote a complaint to the Ohio Department of Insurance outlining the violations.&lt;p&gt;1. &lt;a href=&quot;http:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;codes.ohio.gov&amp;#x2F;orc&amp;#x2F;3905.063&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;codes.ohio.gov&amp;#x2F;orc&amp;#x2F;3905.063&lt;/a&gt;</text></item><item><author>nicolas_t</author><text>Now I&amp;#x27;m curious about self storage companies. So I&amp;#x27;m asking you :)</text></item><item><author>istjohn</author><text>I considered filing a complaint with the police department, but I&amp;#x27;m skeptical anything would have come of it. Ideally, I would have done it regardless. It&amp;#x27;s true that the root problem will not be addressed if people don&amp;#x27;t pursue things.&lt;p&gt;I think on net I do more than my fair share of tilting at windmills though. Ask me about self-storage companies sometime.</text></item><item><author>nobrains</author><text>And you did not follow-up why the accident report was not filed? I usually keep following up on such cases, until all issues are resolved. It is a net negative investment for me, since the time and effort I have to put in it, is not worth it, but I get 2 satisfactions out of it:&lt;p&gt;1) Hopefully whoever &amp;quot;played&amp;quot; will learn a lesson not to again.&lt;p&gt;2) Hopefully the overall problem (whether it is bad customer service, strong arm tactics, etc.) will slowly be fixed.&lt;p&gt;I guess in your case, you already used up your quota of fighting-the-system when you had to argue with both the cop and the tow-man.</text></item><item><author>istjohn</author><text>This calls to mind an incident from a couple years ago in Columbus, Ohio. After a negligent lane-changing sedan spun my car 360 degrees and into the rail guard, the responding police officer ordered a tow truck for me without my knowledge. When the truck arrived, the driver told me he could either take my car to his body shop or the city impound lot, in which case I would need to pay later for a second tow to the body shop of my choosing plus any storage fees.&lt;p&gt;I did not appreciate this strong arm sales tactic and told him he wasn&amp;#x27;t touching my vehicle. The cop insisted that I allow the tow. She apparently was required to stay at the scene until the disabled vehicles were removed and did not want to wait for a tow truck of my choosing. I held firm. After several minutes of back and forth, the cop begrudgingly allowed me to drive my heavily damaged vehicle a few hundred yards to an exit ramp and park it on a side street.&lt;p&gt;An accident report was never filed, so my insurance company wasn&amp;#x27;t able to collect damages from the other party&amp;#x27;s insurance on my behalf. Perhaps there was a clerical error or perhaps the cop wanted to punish my assertiveness.</text></item></parent_chain></comment><story><title>Toronto-area lawyer had to flee Canada after taking on the tow truck industry</title><url>https://www.ctvnews.ca/w5/this-toronto-area-lawyer-had-to-flee-the-country-after-taking-on-the-tow-truck-industry-1.5167869</url></story>