<instructions>Your goal is to analyze the following comment and estimate how highly it will be upvoted by the Hacker News community.</instructions><comment><author>silvestrov</author><text>Sweden and Norway has &lt;i&gt;a lot&lt;/i&gt; of hydro power.&lt;p&gt;When wind mills in Denmark are running then Norway stops their hydro and imports cheap electricity from the Danish wind mills. They save up the water.&lt;p&gt;When the Danish wind mills stands still then Norway sells expensive electricity from hydro.&lt;p&gt;Denmark is a very good place for wind mills so the combination is a win-win.  It&amp;#x27;s crazy to look independently at each country because that is not how the electricity market works in Northern Europe. The countries are very interconnected.&lt;p&gt;It just so happends that the wind often blows during the day in Denmark and stand stills during night. So this back and forth happends almost every day.&lt;p&gt;When you ignore hydro power in NO&amp;#x2F;SE it shows that you don&amp;#x27;t know anything about the electricity market in Northern Europe.</text><parent_chain><item><author>tmikaeld</author><text>There&amp;#x27;s an estimate 10 000MW additional requirement of power for Swedish Industry (3000MW surplus in the north):&lt;p&gt;- The Swedish fossil-free steel (&amp;amp; Direct-Reduced Iron) manufacture (9000 MW)&lt;p&gt;- Amazon&amp;#x2F;google&amp;#x2F;microsoft datacenters (2000 MW)&lt;p&gt;- Conversion to electric cars (1000 MW, currently 128MW)..&lt;p&gt;- This gigafactory (?MW 50GW Capacity)&lt;p&gt;The Swedish government plan on solving these needs with Wind turbines (Currently 7000MW capacity), which this weekend was at 1.4% capacity due to no winds.&lt;p&gt;How is that going to work, do they plan on shutting down production when there&amp;#x27;s no wind?&lt;p&gt;EDIT: If you&amp;#x27;re going to downvote, please explain why, these numbers are not made-up, they are public:&lt;p&gt;Live stats: &lt;a href=&quot;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;www.svk.se&amp;#x2F;om-kraftsystemet&amp;#x2F;kontrollrummet&amp;#x2F;&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;www.svk.se&amp;#x2F;om-kraftsystemet&amp;#x2F;kontrollrummet&amp;#x2F;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;p&gt;Capacity: &lt;a href=&quot;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;svenskvindenergi.org&amp;#x2F;wp-content&amp;#x2F;uploads&amp;#x2F;2019&amp;#x2F;02&amp;#x2F;Statistics-and-forecast-Svensk-Vindenergi-20190212.pdf&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;svenskvindenergi.org&amp;#x2F;wp-content&amp;#x2F;uploads&amp;#x2F;2019&amp;#x2F;02&amp;#x2F;Stat...&lt;/a&gt;&lt;p&gt;Steel: &lt;a href=&quot;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;dagenslogistik.se&amp;#x2F;h2-green-steal-satsar-pa-vatgasproduktion-pa-iberiska-halvon&amp;#x2F;&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;dagenslogistik.se&amp;#x2F;h2-green-steal-satsar-pa-vatgaspro...&lt;/a&gt;&lt;p&gt;Gigafactory: &lt;a href=&quot;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;northvolt.com&amp;#x2F;articles&amp;#x2F;first-cell&amp;#x2F;&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;northvolt.com&amp;#x2F;articles&amp;#x2F;first-cell&amp;#x2F;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;p&gt;Average data-center consumption 100-200MW. Amazon 3x, Facebook 3x, Google 1x, Cloudflare 1x and Microsoft 1x, estimate total 2000MW.</text></item></parent_chain></comment><story><title>Northvolt assembles first lithium-ion battery cell at Swedish gigafactory</title><url>https://northvolt.com/articles/first-cell/</url></story>
<instructions>Your goal is to analyze the following comment and estimate how highly it will be upvoted by the Hacker News community.</instructions><comment><author>LeoPanthera</author><text>You may be being downvoted because you have provided no citations or justifications for your claims, and because anti-electric shilling is, unfortunately, very common on the internet. The oil industry has really amazing PR.&lt;p&gt;Is &amp;quot;TW&amp;quot; supposed to be a terawatt? Because that is an enormously large amount of power. Annual human &lt;i&gt;global&lt;/i&gt; power consumption is only 20TW.&lt;p&gt;(Edit: Since I replied to this, you changed your units, and provided sources which I haven&amp;#x27;t yet checked.)&lt;p&gt;Obviously, wind and solar cannot provide constant power, as fossil fuels can, but by building them in carefully selected locations, and combining them grid energy storage (which can be, but does not have to be, batteries[1]), un-evenness in supply can be smoothed out.&lt;p&gt;[1]: Pumped storage hydroelectricity is another example.</text><parent_chain><item><author>tmikaeld</author><text>There&amp;#x27;s an estimate 10 000MW additional requirement of power for Swedish Industry (3000MW surplus in the north):&lt;p&gt;- The Swedish fossil-free steel (&amp;amp; Direct-Reduced Iron) manufacture (9000 MW)&lt;p&gt;- Amazon&amp;#x2F;google&amp;#x2F;microsoft datacenters (2000 MW)&lt;p&gt;- Conversion to electric cars (1000 MW, currently 128MW)..&lt;p&gt;- This gigafactory (?MW 50GW Capacity)&lt;p&gt;The Swedish government plan on solving these needs with Wind turbines (Currently 7000MW capacity), which this weekend was at 1.4% capacity due to no winds.&lt;p&gt;How is that going to work, do they plan on shutting down production when there&amp;#x27;s no wind?&lt;p&gt;EDIT: If you&amp;#x27;re going to downvote, please explain why, these numbers are not made-up, they are public:&lt;p&gt;Live stats: &lt;a href=&quot;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;www.svk.se&amp;#x2F;om-kraftsystemet&amp;#x2F;kontrollrummet&amp;#x2F;&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;www.svk.se&amp;#x2F;om-kraftsystemet&amp;#x2F;kontrollrummet&amp;#x2F;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;p&gt;Capacity: &lt;a href=&quot;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;svenskvindenergi.org&amp;#x2F;wp-content&amp;#x2F;uploads&amp;#x2F;2019&amp;#x2F;02&amp;#x2F;Statistics-and-forecast-Svensk-Vindenergi-20190212.pdf&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;svenskvindenergi.org&amp;#x2F;wp-content&amp;#x2F;uploads&amp;#x2F;2019&amp;#x2F;02&amp;#x2F;Stat...&lt;/a&gt;&lt;p&gt;Steel: &lt;a href=&quot;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;dagenslogistik.se&amp;#x2F;h2-green-steal-satsar-pa-vatgasproduktion-pa-iberiska-halvon&amp;#x2F;&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;dagenslogistik.se&amp;#x2F;h2-green-steal-satsar-pa-vatgaspro...&lt;/a&gt;&lt;p&gt;Gigafactory: &lt;a href=&quot;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;northvolt.com&amp;#x2F;articles&amp;#x2F;first-cell&amp;#x2F;&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;northvolt.com&amp;#x2F;articles&amp;#x2F;first-cell&amp;#x2F;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;p&gt;Average data-center consumption 100-200MW. Amazon 3x, Facebook 3x, Google 1x, Cloudflare 1x and Microsoft 1x, estimate total 2000MW.</text></item></parent_chain></comment><story><title>Northvolt assembles first lithium-ion battery cell at Swedish gigafactory</title><url>https://northvolt.com/articles/first-cell/</url></story>