<instructions>Your goal is to analyze the following comment and estimate how highly it will be upvoted by the Hacker News community.</instructions><comment><author>narrator</author><text>The way you know 4chan is the counterculture is every time someone releases a new generative art tool, 4chan figures out a way to do stuff with it that makes the creators have to restrict and&amp;#x2F;or shut it down.&lt;p&gt;Like in the 1960s how the mainstream culture would whisper under their breath and point in shock and horror at hippies and try to get them banned from various public venues, and send mobs to beat them up, we have that same situation now, but instead 4chan is treated like that.&lt;p&gt;BTW, just because it&amp;#x27;s not your counterculture, doesn&amp;#x27;t mean it&amp;#x27;s not counterculture.  You guys are looking at this all 60 years after the fact and saying that hippies were awesome.  That&amp;#x27;s not what people thought at the time.  4chan is generally anti-ukraine war and anti-vax.  60 years from now they might look like the good guys.</text><parent_chain><item><author>jjk166</author><text>If you only consume mainstream media then you may personally live in a society which lacks a counterculture.&lt;p&gt;You strike up a conversation with the girl picking mushrooms in the middle of nowhere or you go to an underground death metal concert or spend a bit of time on 4chan and you&amp;#x27;ll find countercultures alive and well that you&amp;#x27;re just not part of.&lt;p&gt;If you think a sense of sameness pervades the creative world then you must be looking at a woefully tiny portion of the creative world. It has never been easier to be weird nor easier to find weirdness.</text></item></parent_chain></comment><story><title>Do we live in a society without a counterculture?</title><url>https://www.xmodtwo.com/p/do-we-live-in-a-society-without-a</url></story>
<instructions>Your goal is to analyze the following comment and estimate how highly it will be upvoted by the Hacker News community.</instructions><comment><author>Taywee</author><text>4chan is obnoxiously and brainlessly countercultural to the point of contrarianism, though.  It used to be a fun place where people didn&amp;#x27;t care so much about social conventions and focused mostly on having a good time and poking fun at each other, but it&amp;#x27;s degraded into just hating anything and everything that they can attribute to anybody they don&amp;#x27;t like.  I&amp;#x27;ve seen tons of cases where they were on-board for something until it became mainstream and then viciously attacked it.&lt;p&gt;There is &amp;quot;alive and well&amp;quot; counterculture, but 4chan is &amp;quot;automatic, boring, annoying, kneejerk&amp;quot; counterculture.  It&amp;#x27;s like a sad shell of what it was, with all the fun sucked out of it.</text><parent_chain><item><author>jjk166</author><text>If you only consume mainstream media then you may personally live in a society which lacks a counterculture.&lt;p&gt;You strike up a conversation with the girl picking mushrooms in the middle of nowhere or you go to an underground death metal concert or spend a bit of time on 4chan and you&amp;#x27;ll find countercultures alive and well that you&amp;#x27;re just not part of.&lt;p&gt;If you think a sense of sameness pervades the creative world then you must be looking at a woefully tiny portion of the creative world. It has never been easier to be weird nor easier to find weirdness.</text></item></parent_chain></comment><story><title>Do we live in a society without a counterculture?</title><url>https://www.xmodtwo.com/p/do-we-live-in-a-society-without-a</url></story>