<instructions>Your goal is to analyze the following comment and estimate how highly it will be upvoted by the Hacker News community.</instructions><comment><author>w0utert</author><text>&amp;#62;&amp;#62; &lt;i&gt;Every time (~5/month) I hear the &quot;managers are idiots&quot; rant I start to wonder, how is it possible that all the smart people: 1. aren&apos;t managers. 2. aren&apos;t able to convince the &quot;idiots&quot;.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;p&gt;I guess you must have worked for completely different companies than I did, because in my experience it&apos;s not the smartest people who work their way up into management, just the loudest ones that don&apos;t have any specific skill that would make them hard to replace elsewhere.&lt;p&gt;IMO the smartest people I know at my workplace are the engineers who manage themselves into a position where they can work on interesting projects without getting dicked around by managers distracting from the real work all the time, and make a good living doing it.</text><parent_chain><item><author>ArekDymalski</author><text>Every time (~5/month) I hear the &quot;managers are idiots&quot; rant I start to wonder, how is it possible that all the smart people:
1. aren&apos;t managers.
2. aren&apos;t able to convince the &quot;idiots&quot;.&lt;p&gt;I&apos;m also curious why smart people become idiots when they&apos;re promoted.&lt;p&gt;Come on. Managing is hard and definitely looks different depending on your position. To make it even more &quot;funny&quot; I can tell you that &quot;employees are idiots&quot; is a frequent manager&apos;s rant too.</text></item><item><author>seivan</author><text>It&apos;s not a question of scale, it&apos;s a question of management. Companies like Samsung, &lt;i&gt;others&lt;/i&gt; and etc are managed by idiots. Pure and simple. Suit wearing, non-technical morons.&lt;p&gt;Congratulations on your new job, exercise, fresh air and freshly picked berries and vegetables. Sounds pretty decent compared to sitting in front of a screen slaving for knock-off phones with shitty vendored junk.&lt;p&gt;Seeing the company you work for doing commercials like &lt;a href=&quot;http://thenextweb.com/shareables/2013/04/29/a-terrible-idea-samsungs-reworks-gangnam-style-to-promote-the-galaxy-s4-at-a-launch-event-in-india/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://thenextweb.com/shareables/2013/04/29/a-terrible-idea-...&lt;/a&gt; (even if it was by a third party PR company) is kinda.. weak.</text></item></parent_chain></comment><story><title>Why I have left Samsung</title><url>http://dream-force.com/post/27437342468/i-left-samsung</url></story>
<instructions>Your goal is to analyze the following comment and estimate how highly it will be upvoted by the Hacker News community.</instructions><comment><author>kamaal</author><text>You don&apos;t have to be smart to be a manager. I mean in our(developer circles) definition of smart is some one who gets the job done. I mean the real job. Something that is of value. Most people managers don&apos;t do that.&lt;p&gt;In most corporates management really is book keeping. Managing vacations, leaves, holidays. Filling up appraisal sheets, expense documents, coordinating with HR, forwarding Information, arranging meetings and all these kind of assorted chores. This classifies under what you can call as &apos;running the affairs&apos; as they are.&lt;p&gt;This has nothing to do building something awesome. That is a different territory. What managers in most companies do ideally is enforce sanity by bringing in mediocrity. Much of their work is in bringing in a process so that their life gets easier. They need numbers, so they have to deal and force people to do things like fill in time sheets, constantly update some system to keep the their managers alerted. You get the point?&lt;p&gt;Situation only gets worse because, sooner or later all managers realize- they hit a career dead end unless they are politically well connected within an organization to get that next promotion or a travel opportunity. In many ways they are forced to, their position encourages them to. Imagine having no coding skills, no ideas, no ways to show that you got something real done in years. Over time your own value in the market will fall down to point you know you can&apos;t really get any real work done any where. This is the story of many middle managers in big corporates.&lt;p&gt;Most managers are really cost and work accountants.</text><parent_chain><item><author>ArekDymalski</author><text>Every time (~5/month) I hear the &quot;managers are idiots&quot; rant I start to wonder, how is it possible that all the smart people:
1. aren&apos;t managers.
2. aren&apos;t able to convince the &quot;idiots&quot;.&lt;p&gt;I&apos;m also curious why smart people become idiots when they&apos;re promoted.&lt;p&gt;Come on. Managing is hard and definitely looks different depending on your position. To make it even more &quot;funny&quot; I can tell you that &quot;employees are idiots&quot; is a frequent manager&apos;s rant too.</text></item><item><author>seivan</author><text>It&apos;s not a question of scale, it&apos;s a question of management. Companies like Samsung, &lt;i&gt;others&lt;/i&gt; and etc are managed by idiots. Pure and simple. Suit wearing, non-technical morons.&lt;p&gt;Congratulations on your new job, exercise, fresh air and freshly picked berries and vegetables. Sounds pretty decent compared to sitting in front of a screen slaving for knock-off phones with shitty vendored junk.&lt;p&gt;Seeing the company you work for doing commercials like &lt;a href=&quot;http://thenextweb.com/shareables/2013/04/29/a-terrible-idea-samsungs-reworks-gangnam-style-to-promote-the-galaxy-s4-at-a-launch-event-in-india/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://thenextweb.com/shareables/2013/04/29/a-terrible-idea-...&lt;/a&gt; (even if it was by a third party PR company) is kinda.. weak.</text></item></parent_chain></comment><story><title>Why I have left Samsung</title><url>http://dream-force.com/post/27437342468/i-left-samsung</url></story>