<instructions>Your goal is to analyze the following comment and estimate how highly it will be upvoted by the Hacker News community.</instructions><comment><author>will_brown</author><text>The excuse for a limited copyright in the United States is that an author who has produced a book and has had the benefit of it for that term has had the profit of it long enough, and therefore the Government takes the property, which does not belong to it, and generously gives it to the eighty-eight millions. That is the idea. If it did that, that would be one thing. But it does not do anything of the kind. It merely takes the author’s property, merely takes from his children the bread and profit of that book, and gives the publisher double profit. The publisher, and some of his confederates who are in the conspiracy, rear families in affluence, and they continue the enjoyment of these ill-gotten gains generation after generation. They live forever, the publishers do.  -Mark Twain&lt;p&gt;The questions you ask are complex legal questions but they aren’t novel by any means. There is over 100 years of case law in the US and I promise the courts have dealt with more interesting facts, cite more historical perspective, and use better logic and reasoning than you get in this thread.&lt;p&gt;Hell you could read Mark Twain’s entire statement to the House and Senate Committee on patents and walk away with a richer person and in Twain like fashion I’ll even link you his statement in perpetual property rights via &lt;a href=&quot;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;www.thepublicdomain.org&amp;#x2F;2014&amp;#x2F;07&amp;#x2F;19&amp;#x2F;mark-twain-on-the-need-for-perpetual-copyright&amp;#x2F;&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;www.thepublicdomain.org&amp;#x2F;2014&amp;#x2F;07&amp;#x2F;19&amp;#x2F;mark-twain-on-the...&lt;/a&gt;</text><parent_chain><item><author>ggm</author><text>While the world economy worked on real goods property had good understanding. services and intellectual property are challenging because ideas are ephemeral yet persist, and we have only social constructs to constrain them.&lt;p&gt;&amp;quot;I have the cake you don&amp;#x27;t unless you pay me&amp;quot; is very distinct from &amp;quot;You are not allowed to sing happy birthday without paying me&amp;quot;&lt;p&gt;One is an absolute. The cake &lt;i&gt;is&lt;/i&gt; and moves. The other is an idea. You get rent from me expressing an Idea. Do I have to pay if I hum it inside my head? Do I have to promise not to tell anyone in written form? What if I change more than 90% of the notes but keep one theme?&lt;p&gt;I know this is a reductionist example, but IPR is like this: it has the terrible quality which goes to Patent process or patents over mathematics or physics. If you discover a specific dopant applied for a specific period of time in a specific way to silicon increases yield by 10%, Once the world knows this, why are you paid for the IPR licence time? If its to profit on the investment for research, remember that a huge amount of research is paid out of tax, not by investment returns. What if the counter parties invent a minor twist, or a related IPR moment? Yes.. people trade IPR rights, and collect IPR rights into agencies like the MP3 assciation.&lt;p&gt;This is a huge cancer on society. Its like CFDs. Its leveraging money moments out of thought.&lt;p&gt;International trade in real goods demands cheap. IPR demands rent which is &amp;quot;not cheap&amp;quot; -So the US demands for IPR rents on goods made in china, is like cutting your nose to spite your face: If you drive China to pay IPR taxes, you will drive china to seek IPR inside itself to avoid the taxes and charge YOU to copy them.&lt;p&gt;Better to have no IPR taxes than enforce payment.</text></item></parent_chain></comment><story><title>China Announces Punishments for Intellectual-Property Theft</title><url>https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-12-04/china-announces-new-punishments-for-intellectual-property-theft</url></story>
<instructions>Your goal is to analyze the following comment and estimate how highly it will be upvoted by the Hacker News community.</instructions><comment><author>baybal2</author><text>&amp;gt; International trade in real goods demands cheap. IPR demands rent which is &amp;quot;not cheap&amp;quot; -So the US demands for IPR rents on goods made in china, is like cutting your nose to spite your face: If you drive China to pay IPR taxes, you will drive china to seek IPR inside itself to avoid the taxes and charge YOU to copy them.&lt;p&gt;Back in Shanzhai days, there was a popular saying about the attitude of American &amp;quot;Big Business&amp;quot; to Chinese industry: &amp;quot;you do all the hard work, and we will do all the money.&amp;quot; That&amp;#x27;s a very equitable separation of labour :) American Big Co. people are mad because they can&amp;#x27;t continue doing that.</text><parent_chain><item><author>ggm</author><text>While the world economy worked on real goods property had good understanding. services and intellectual property are challenging because ideas are ephemeral yet persist, and we have only social constructs to constrain them.&lt;p&gt;&amp;quot;I have the cake you don&amp;#x27;t unless you pay me&amp;quot; is very distinct from &amp;quot;You are not allowed to sing happy birthday without paying me&amp;quot;&lt;p&gt;One is an absolute. The cake &lt;i&gt;is&lt;/i&gt; and moves. The other is an idea. You get rent from me expressing an Idea. Do I have to pay if I hum it inside my head? Do I have to promise not to tell anyone in written form? What if I change more than 90% of the notes but keep one theme?&lt;p&gt;I know this is a reductionist example, but IPR is like this: it has the terrible quality which goes to Patent process or patents over mathematics or physics. If you discover a specific dopant applied for a specific period of time in a specific way to silicon increases yield by 10%, Once the world knows this, why are you paid for the IPR licence time? If its to profit on the investment for research, remember that a huge amount of research is paid out of tax, not by investment returns. What if the counter parties invent a minor twist, or a related IPR moment? Yes.. people trade IPR rights, and collect IPR rights into agencies like the MP3 assciation.&lt;p&gt;This is a huge cancer on society. Its like CFDs. Its leveraging money moments out of thought.&lt;p&gt;International trade in real goods demands cheap. IPR demands rent which is &amp;quot;not cheap&amp;quot; -So the US demands for IPR rents on goods made in china, is like cutting your nose to spite your face: If you drive China to pay IPR taxes, you will drive china to seek IPR inside itself to avoid the taxes and charge YOU to copy them.&lt;p&gt;Better to have no IPR taxes than enforce payment.</text></item></parent_chain></comment><story><title>China Announces Punishments for Intellectual-Property Theft</title><url>https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-12-04/china-announces-new-punishments-for-intellectual-property-theft</url></story>