<instructions>Your goal is to analyze the following comment and estimate how highly it will be upvoted by the Hacker News community.</instructions><comment><author>pjmlp</author><text>Java always suffered from Sun not being serious about it for OS development.&lt;p&gt;While .NET was pushed by Microsoft for everything else that didn&amp;#x27;t necessarily require the features of C++ and as such got a good focus in the whole stack and OS integration.&lt;p&gt;Sun like any other UNIX company, never understood the desktop, and the only OS stack they pushed Java was the network computer failed attempt and later on J2ME.&lt;p&gt;It was JEE (J2EE back then) that made it relevant again.&lt;p&gt;Oracle has always invested a lot in Java, they already quite a few Java based products in the early 2000. They were the first DBMS to support stored procedures in Java.&lt;p&gt;They also kept the Sun research labs going and will be integrating the Java JIT Graal into the standard JDK.&lt;p&gt;The Java Language Summit is taking place this week.&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;www.youtube.com&amp;#x2F;playlist?list=PLX8CzqL3ArzUY6rQAQTwI_jKvqJxrRrP_&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;www.youtube.com&amp;#x2F;playlist?list=PLX8CzqL3ArzUY6rQAQTwI...&lt;/a&gt;&lt;p&gt;The problem is that Oracle designs languages for suits not jeans.</text><parent_chain><item><author>agentgt</author><text>As a Java developer I am always so envious of how attentive Microsoft is with .NET. Maybe it is the grass is greener but it feels like oracle just sits on its ass and ignores most of the Java community.</text></item></parent_chain></comment><story><title>.NET Framework 4.6.2</title><url>https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/dotnet/2016/08/02/announcing-net-framework-4-6-2/</url></story>
<instructions>Your goal is to analyze the following comment and estimate how highly it will be upvoted by the Hacker News community.</instructions><comment><author>frik</author><text>Will there ever be a dotNetFramework 5 ?? Version 4 is from 2012 which was already a minor update from v3 from 2007.&lt;p&gt;The new dotNetCoreFramework 1.0 just got released. It wouldn&amp;#x27;t sense to add mayor new features to dotNetFramework 4.6x, legacy is written on the wall.&lt;p&gt;dotNetFramework 1x from 2002 to 2005 is unsupported for many years and APIs and code ate incompatible with dotNetFramework 2+. Basically dotNetFramework rebooted with v2 and got really popular starting in 2005. All mayor features were available since v3. Though then the development stagnated and little new outstanding new featured were included in newer releases. Plus several APIs turned out to vanish pretty quickly and are dragged along as legacy like WinForms, Silverlight, WPF, Managed C++, ManagedDirectX and its next incompatible iteration, SharePoint APIs, WinFS, etc. Plus the incompatible different API WinRT aka WinRunTime aka UniversalRuntime with various incompatibilities in WinPhone8, Win8 &amp;amp; 10.&lt;p&gt;So Microsoft now has to maintain Win32 API and its subsystem (the reason why people are still using Windows, dating back to 1995 and source code compatible to Win16 API dating back to Win1 (1985) and Win16 is still supported on 32bit OS (technically it could also run on 64bit, if MS would want that). And UniversalRuntime (former WinRT) based on Win32 subsystem and still a lot less featurefull and little developer support and little apps - MS wants to push it, many hate it and almost all Windows applications continue as Win32 x84&amp;#x2F;64 applications even most games (Steam is big, the hate on WinStore is rightful). And dotNetFramework 2x+ the legacy big soup infested with dream buildings full of XML. And now dotNetCoreFramework in v1 still pretty rough and unfinished and the usual v1 were you want to wait for service pack 1 or v2.&lt;p&gt;In comparison Java is source compatible to at least v1.4, but in reality often back to Java 1.1 or 1.2. Sure there are some crufty APIs that got a better alternative that is recommend and several third party frameworks come and are now enterprise&amp;#x2F;legacy tools and newer things are now popular. While Java stagnated a bit with Oracle at times, it&amp;#x27;s still a nicer experience than the quickly vanishing and legacy API that Microsoft releases out en mass. And also Google is supporting Java on Android as its main API.</text><parent_chain><item><author>agentgt</author><text>As a Java developer I am always so envious of how attentive Microsoft is with .NET. Maybe it is the grass is greener but it feels like oracle just sits on its ass and ignores most of the Java community.</text></item></parent_chain></comment><story><title>.NET Framework 4.6.2</title><url>https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/dotnet/2016/08/02/announcing-net-framework-4-6-2/</url></story>