<instructions>Your goal is to analyze the following comment and estimate how highly it will be upvoted by the Hacker News community.</instructions><comment><author>goatforce5</author><text>Apple paid to have access to PARC ideas:&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Apple_Inc.#Xerox_PARC_and_the_Lisa&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Apple_Inc.#Xerox_PAR...&lt;/a&gt;</text><parent_chain><item><author>calpaterson</author><text>&lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xerox_Star&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xerox_Star&lt;/a&gt;</text></item><item><author>ender7</author><text>This makes me sad for a variety of reasons. One, because HP are being assholes and making what is clearly a knock-off product. Apple has every right to be upset, and probably sue them for trade dress infringement.&lt;p&gt;And second, because everyone (on both sides) is going to be conflating this with Apple&apos;s UI patents, which &lt;i&gt;are&lt;/i&gt; total bullshit and which they shouldn&apos;t be able to sue over. Ah well.</text></item></parent_chain></comment><story><title>HP introduces new Apple iMac</title><url>http://thenextweb.com/apple/2012/09/10/notefile/</url></story>
<instructions>Your goal is to analyze the following comment and estimate how highly it will be upvoted by the Hacker News community.</instructions><comment><author>nicholassmith</author><text>This bubbles up every time one of these arguments appears, bear in mind industrial design around that point was &lt;i&gt;heavily&lt;/i&gt; constrained by toolchains and what could be manufactured. This does not give Apple a free pass, they could have picked different colour plastic, or different proportions or a dozen other things.&lt;p&gt;Manufacturing has improved massively in 30 years, that&apos;s why the argument is about &lt;i&gt;now&lt;/i&gt; and not &lt;i&gt;then&lt;/i&gt;.</text><parent_chain><item><author>calpaterson</author><text>&lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xerox_Star&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xerox_Star&lt;/a&gt;</text></item><item><author>ender7</author><text>This makes me sad for a variety of reasons. One, because HP are being assholes and making what is clearly a knock-off product. Apple has every right to be upset, and probably sue them for trade dress infringement.&lt;p&gt;And second, because everyone (on both sides) is going to be conflating this with Apple&apos;s UI patents, which &lt;i&gt;are&lt;/i&gt; total bullshit and which they shouldn&apos;t be able to sue over. Ah well.</text></item></parent_chain></comment><story><title>HP introduces new Apple iMac</title><url>http://thenextweb.com/apple/2012/09/10/notefile/</url></story>