<instructions>Your goal is to analyze the following comment and estimate how highly it will be upvoted by the Hacker News community.</instructions><comment><author>polack</author><text>What people are missing here is that while Apple now confess that they did slowdown the iPhone 6 and 6s when they released the 7, they are not saying anything about earlier models.&lt;p&gt;They are however lowering the price to exchange batteries even for older models. Why would they do that if they where not affected? Why don&amp;#x27;t they say this practice started with the IOS 10 update? They just say they did it in the 10 update. For me it&amp;#x27;s obvious this is just a PR &amp;quot;puff piece&amp;quot; and looks like a majority here is buying it... So well played Apple.</text><parent_chain><item><author>RayVR</author><text>The outrage doesn&amp;#x27;t seem overblown to me. For years I knew that my iphones were becoming obsolete not entirely from the passage of time but instead from upgrading the OS. Apple insisted they were not slowing down devices. Now they claim that they started this in iOS 10.2, without notification.&lt;p&gt;My experience has been that upgrading the OS results in degraded performance 100% of the time. Whether intentional or not Apple would not acknowledge the issue. The phone shutting down at X% charge has always started after an OS upgrade.</text></item><item><author>tschwimmer</author><text>I think this is a good response, and I think a lot of the outrage over this issue is overblown. At the end of the day there&amp;#x27;s a fundamental tradeoff that Apple needs to make on behalf of their customers: performance or stability. They chose stability, and I think they have a convincing argument as to why: &amp;quot;It should go without saying that we think sudden, unexpected shutdowns are unacceptable. We don’t want any of our users to lose a call, miss taking a picture or have any other part of their iPhone experience interrupted if we can avoid it.&amp;quot;&lt;p&gt;I have two concerns:&lt;p&gt;1) They still haven&amp;#x27;t fully eliminated the sudden shutdown behavior. My old 5S would shut down randomly under 20% without warning. Sometimes it would make it all the way to 1-2%, but most of the time it was between 5-15%. You&amp;#x27;d think they&amp;#x27;d scale performance throttling untilt this wasn&amp;#x27;t an issue.&lt;p&gt;2) I think their messaging with respect to battery health and the battery being a consumable is pretty poor. As far as I can tell there&amp;#x27;s no built-in battery health indicator in iOS. Sure there are those dodgy &amp;quot;Super Battery Health Plus Pro&amp;quot; apps, but it seems like a diagnostic menu in settings would go a long way. Even more puzzling is that techs at the Apple Store have access to some sort of diagnostic that does this already. Last time I went to get another issue fixed the guy said that my battery was at 70% capacity and the voltage was pretty low. Why wait until &amp;#x27;2018&amp;#x27; to ship a self-serve version of this?</text></item></parent_chain></comment><story><title>A Message to Our Customers about iPhone Batteries and Performance</title><url>https://www.apple.com/iphone-battery-and-performance/</url></story>
<instructions>Your goal is to analyze the following comment and estimate how highly it will be upvoted by the Hacker News community.</instructions><comment><author>jsz0</author><text>&amp;gt; For years I knew that my iphones were becoming obsolete&lt;p&gt;The clock down feature is new so your past experiences are very likely unrelated.</text><parent_chain><item><author>RayVR</author><text>The outrage doesn&amp;#x27;t seem overblown to me. For years I knew that my iphones were becoming obsolete not entirely from the passage of time but instead from upgrading the OS. Apple insisted they were not slowing down devices. Now they claim that they started this in iOS 10.2, without notification.&lt;p&gt;My experience has been that upgrading the OS results in degraded performance 100% of the time. Whether intentional or not Apple would not acknowledge the issue. The phone shutting down at X% charge has always started after an OS upgrade.</text></item><item><author>tschwimmer</author><text>I think this is a good response, and I think a lot of the outrage over this issue is overblown. At the end of the day there&amp;#x27;s a fundamental tradeoff that Apple needs to make on behalf of their customers: performance or stability. They chose stability, and I think they have a convincing argument as to why: &amp;quot;It should go without saying that we think sudden, unexpected shutdowns are unacceptable. We don’t want any of our users to lose a call, miss taking a picture or have any other part of their iPhone experience interrupted if we can avoid it.&amp;quot;&lt;p&gt;I have two concerns:&lt;p&gt;1) They still haven&amp;#x27;t fully eliminated the sudden shutdown behavior. My old 5S would shut down randomly under 20% without warning. Sometimes it would make it all the way to 1-2%, but most of the time it was between 5-15%. You&amp;#x27;d think they&amp;#x27;d scale performance throttling untilt this wasn&amp;#x27;t an issue.&lt;p&gt;2) I think their messaging with respect to battery health and the battery being a consumable is pretty poor. As far as I can tell there&amp;#x27;s no built-in battery health indicator in iOS. Sure there are those dodgy &amp;quot;Super Battery Health Plus Pro&amp;quot; apps, but it seems like a diagnostic menu in settings would go a long way. Even more puzzling is that techs at the Apple Store have access to some sort of diagnostic that does this already. Last time I went to get another issue fixed the guy said that my battery was at 70% capacity and the voltage was pretty low. Why wait until &amp;#x27;2018&amp;#x27; to ship a self-serve version of this?</text></item></parent_chain></comment><story><title>A Message to Our Customers about iPhone Batteries and Performance</title><url>https://www.apple.com/iphone-battery-and-performance/</url></story>