<instructions>Your goal is to analyze the following comment and estimate how highly it will be upvoted by the Hacker News community.</instructions><comment><author>tnorthcutt</author><text>&lt;i&gt;Why would you use a real estate agent trying to pump the price as high as possible&lt;/i&gt;&lt;p&gt;I was surprised to read this, since I thought you&amp;#x27;d hinted at exactly the opposite by mentioning Freakonomics. Isn&amp;#x27;t the Freakonomics argument that an agent is incentivized to instead sell the property &lt;i&gt;as quickly as possible&lt;/i&gt;, regardless of the sale price? For instance, accepting an offer that is $10k under the listing price will cost the seller $9,400 ($10,000 * 94%), but will only cost the selling agent $150 (1.5% * $10,000). If the agent&amp;#x27;s time is worth almost anything approaching a respectable hourly rate for a sales professional, then they should pressure the seller to take the lower offer, as not doing so would likely incur significant time costs (well over $150 worth of their time) for the listing agent.&lt;p&gt;Is that view of things mistaken?</text><parent_chain><item><author>chatmasta</author><text>I interned for Redfin last summer. This is a really interesting space, and most people don&amp;#x27;t realize that Zillow&amp;#x2F;Trulia are operating drastically different businesses from Redfin.&lt;p&gt;Some background: The US real estate industry is broken up into regions (e.g. SF bay area, Orange County, Lake Tahoe, etc.). In order for a brokerage [1] to operate in a region, it needs to employ agents specifically licensed in that region, and have a real office there. Importantly, each region also has its own data feed of listings, called an MLS feed [2]. Amongst real estate agents, the MLS feed in each region is considered the primary source of real estate listings. If a house is not in the MLS, it&amp;#x27;s not for sale. BUT, only brokerages have access  to MLS feeds.&lt;p&gt;There is no standard for MLS software. It&amp;#x27;s truly terrible. No joke, in some regions, the MLS service -- responsible for all real estate listings in that region -- is an archaic Windows program running on a desktop in some guy&amp;#x27;s Lake Tahoe cabin. Generally, MLS feeds are &lt;i&gt;similar&lt;/i&gt; in structure, but there is no semblance of standardization, API, or developer-friendly solution for accessing it. Every region has its own MLS feed with its own structure, access restrictions, weird rules, etc. It&amp;#x27;s a nightmare to develop against.&lt;p&gt;Zillow and Trulia set out to solve this problem. They are listing aggregators, essentially filling the same role as MLS software. But because Zillow and Trulia are not brokerages, they cannot access the MLS feeds. So they have to get the data on their own. They depend on real estate agents manually inputting their listings into the Zillow&amp;#x2F;Trulia platforms. Nowadays, most agents &lt;i&gt;do&lt;/i&gt; input this data, but that was not always the case, and IIRC Zillow&amp;#x2F;Trulia still only have something like 80% coverage compared to MLS feeds.&lt;p&gt;So Zillow and Trulia are simple listing services. They are basically advertising platforms for real estate agents. Their revenue model depends on agent referrals, paid listings, etc. They have no direct role in selling a house.&lt;p&gt;REDFIN IS A BROKERAGE. Redfin actually employs real estate agents who will help you buy a house. And instead of earning commission proportional to sale price (a huge moral hazard -- see: Freakonomics), they earn commission based on customer satisfaction. So Redfin agents are inherently motivated to work in the customer&amp;#x27;s best interest, instead of their own, which is getting the price as high as possible.&lt;p&gt;Because Redfin is a brokerage, it is entirely different from Zillow and Trulia. This is the reason that you only see Redfin in &amp;quot;some&amp;quot; areas (although they have coverage in most major metropolitan areas at this point), while Trulia&amp;#x2F;Zillow are nation-wide. When Redfin expands to a new area, it needs to establish an office, hire and train agents, file paperwork, etc. This takes time, but often when Redfin gets to a new area, there are already thousands of customers who have been waiting for them to launch there.&lt;p&gt;Also, because Redfin is a brokerage, it has access to MLS feeds. So Redfin gets its data directly from the source, instead of depending on real estate agents to enter their listings directly into its platform. Because of this, Redfin has 100% coverage in all the regions it serves, compared to ~80% (IIRC) of Trulia&amp;#x2F;Zillow.&lt;p&gt;So now it looks like the market will come down to Redfin vs. Trulia&amp;#x2F;Zillow. I&amp;#x27;m curious to see how this plays out. On one hand, Redfin has a far more defensible model -- they have an office in every region, and actually make a lot of money from each listing. And they have a far better value proposition for the customer. Why would you use a real estate agent trying to pump the price as high as possible, when you can use one who will be paid entirely based on your satisfaction rating?&lt;p&gt;On the other hand, Zillow&amp;#x2F;Trulia have wider reach. There is nothing stopping them from opening a brokerage in their most popular markets and simply copying Redfin&amp;#x27;s model. But if they do that, they are already way far behind.&lt;p&gt;Personally, and I&amp;#x27;m biased because I worked there, I think Redfin is going to &amp;quot;win&amp;quot; this battle. There&amp;#x27;s no reason why Zillow&amp;#x2F;Redfin can&amp;#x27;t coexist harmoniously, but I expect we will see Redfin making far more money in 10+ years than Zillow.&lt;p&gt;[1] &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Real_estate_broker&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&amp;#x2F;wiki&amp;#x2F;Real_estate_broker&lt;/a&gt;
[2] &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiple_listing_service&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&amp;#x2F;wiki&amp;#x2F;Multiple_listing_service&lt;/a&gt;&lt;p&gt;(EDIT since this is getting so many upvotes: I DO NOT SPEAK FOR REDFIN AT ALL, I DO NOT WORK FOR REDFIN. I worked there one summer last year.)</text></item></parent_chain></comment><story><title>Zillow to Acquire Trulia for $3.5B</title><url>http://dealbook.nytimes.com/2014/07/28/zillow-to-buy-trulia-for-3-5-billion/</url></story>
<instructions>Your goal is to analyze the following comment and estimate how highly it will be upvoted by the Hacker News community.</instructions><comment><author>swalsh</author><text>I bought my house through Red Fin.  Though zillow gave some interesting data, the Red Fin experience was much better.  In fact because the market is so competitive here (Boston) it was a big leg up.&lt;p&gt;Our house was listed on a Wednesday morning, with an open house scheduled for Saturday.  Since redfin had the most up to date feed, i got an email alert right away.  That night we got an early tour, and we put a bid in at list price immediately allowing them 24 hours to accept.&lt;p&gt;Before that we had put in 4 other offers.  We kept getting beat by empty nesting baby boomers offering cash.  Having that extra time was a big advantage.</text><parent_chain><item><author>chatmasta</author><text>I interned for Redfin last summer. This is a really interesting space, and most people don&amp;#x27;t realize that Zillow&amp;#x2F;Trulia are operating drastically different businesses from Redfin.&lt;p&gt;Some background: The US real estate industry is broken up into regions (e.g. SF bay area, Orange County, Lake Tahoe, etc.). In order for a brokerage [1] to operate in a region, it needs to employ agents specifically licensed in that region, and have a real office there. Importantly, each region also has its own data feed of listings, called an MLS feed [2]. Amongst real estate agents, the MLS feed in each region is considered the primary source of real estate listings. If a house is not in the MLS, it&amp;#x27;s not for sale. BUT, only brokerages have access  to MLS feeds.&lt;p&gt;There is no standard for MLS software. It&amp;#x27;s truly terrible. No joke, in some regions, the MLS service -- responsible for all real estate listings in that region -- is an archaic Windows program running on a desktop in some guy&amp;#x27;s Lake Tahoe cabin. Generally, MLS feeds are &lt;i&gt;similar&lt;/i&gt; in structure, but there is no semblance of standardization, API, or developer-friendly solution for accessing it. Every region has its own MLS feed with its own structure, access restrictions, weird rules, etc. It&amp;#x27;s a nightmare to develop against.&lt;p&gt;Zillow and Trulia set out to solve this problem. They are listing aggregators, essentially filling the same role as MLS software. But because Zillow and Trulia are not brokerages, they cannot access the MLS feeds. So they have to get the data on their own. They depend on real estate agents manually inputting their listings into the Zillow&amp;#x2F;Trulia platforms. Nowadays, most agents &lt;i&gt;do&lt;/i&gt; input this data, but that was not always the case, and IIRC Zillow&amp;#x2F;Trulia still only have something like 80% coverage compared to MLS feeds.&lt;p&gt;So Zillow and Trulia are simple listing services. They are basically advertising platforms for real estate agents. Their revenue model depends on agent referrals, paid listings, etc. They have no direct role in selling a house.&lt;p&gt;REDFIN IS A BROKERAGE. Redfin actually employs real estate agents who will help you buy a house. And instead of earning commission proportional to sale price (a huge moral hazard -- see: Freakonomics), they earn commission based on customer satisfaction. So Redfin agents are inherently motivated to work in the customer&amp;#x27;s best interest, instead of their own, which is getting the price as high as possible.&lt;p&gt;Because Redfin is a brokerage, it is entirely different from Zillow and Trulia. This is the reason that you only see Redfin in &amp;quot;some&amp;quot; areas (although they have coverage in most major metropolitan areas at this point), while Trulia&amp;#x2F;Zillow are nation-wide. When Redfin expands to a new area, it needs to establish an office, hire and train agents, file paperwork, etc. This takes time, but often when Redfin gets to a new area, there are already thousands of customers who have been waiting for them to launch there.&lt;p&gt;Also, because Redfin is a brokerage, it has access to MLS feeds. So Redfin gets its data directly from the source, instead of depending on real estate agents to enter their listings directly into its platform. Because of this, Redfin has 100% coverage in all the regions it serves, compared to ~80% (IIRC) of Trulia&amp;#x2F;Zillow.&lt;p&gt;So now it looks like the market will come down to Redfin vs. Trulia&amp;#x2F;Zillow. I&amp;#x27;m curious to see how this plays out. On one hand, Redfin has a far more defensible model -- they have an office in every region, and actually make a lot of money from each listing. And they have a far better value proposition for the customer. Why would you use a real estate agent trying to pump the price as high as possible, when you can use one who will be paid entirely based on your satisfaction rating?&lt;p&gt;On the other hand, Zillow&amp;#x2F;Trulia have wider reach. There is nothing stopping them from opening a brokerage in their most popular markets and simply copying Redfin&amp;#x27;s model. But if they do that, they are already way far behind.&lt;p&gt;Personally, and I&amp;#x27;m biased because I worked there, I think Redfin is going to &amp;quot;win&amp;quot; this battle. There&amp;#x27;s no reason why Zillow&amp;#x2F;Redfin can&amp;#x27;t coexist harmoniously, but I expect we will see Redfin making far more money in 10+ years than Zillow.&lt;p&gt;[1] &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Real_estate_broker&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&amp;#x2F;wiki&amp;#x2F;Real_estate_broker&lt;/a&gt;
[2] &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiple_listing_service&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&amp;#x2F;wiki&amp;#x2F;Multiple_listing_service&lt;/a&gt;&lt;p&gt;(EDIT since this is getting so many upvotes: I DO NOT SPEAK FOR REDFIN AT ALL, I DO NOT WORK FOR REDFIN. I worked there one summer last year.)</text></item></parent_chain></comment><story><title>Zillow to Acquire Trulia for $3.5B</title><url>http://dealbook.nytimes.com/2014/07/28/zillow-to-buy-trulia-for-3-5-billion/</url></story>