<instructions>Your goal is to analyze the following comment and estimate how highly it will be upvoted by the Hacker News community.</instructions><comment><author>deyan</author><text>Did you (all of you not just andreyf) seriously manage to degrade the discussion on the GUI into a OSX vs. Windows debate? Or perhaps my expectations are just way too high..</text><parent_chain><item><author>andreyf</author><text>In my experience, OSX has &lt;i&gt;much&lt;/i&gt; better thought-out keyboard shortcuts than Windows does. A simple example: you&apos;d like to force-kill the focused application. In OSX, you type command-option-esc (one hand), return, return (other hand). I don&apos;t know what it is in Vita, but in XP, it would require quite a bit of mousework.</text></item><item><author>joe_the_user</author><text>No, but his problem actually points to this being a problem for anyone.&lt;p&gt;It becomes a problem when the machine requires all of my dexterity just to accomplish a given task. I dislike all Apple products specifically because they &lt;i&gt;require&lt;/i&gt; mouse operations to accomplish things where Linux and MS interfaces tend to have keyboard shortcuts.</text></item><item><author>gecko</author><text>Without disagreeing, I also don&apos;t think it makes sense to discount potentially massive improvements in user interfaces merely because a portion of the population cannot use them.</text></item><item><author>Semiapies</author><text>Talk about multi-touch reminds me of a friend&apos;s perennial complaint, &quot;The future of interfaces seems designed to screw me over.&quot;&lt;p&gt;He has a congenital deformity of the arms, but he can type (and is one of those clacky-IBM keyboard fetishists). With his feet, he can use mice and controllers.  But multi-touch systems are beyond his ability - while he can pivot and shift to type remarkably quickly, he can&apos;t get more than one hand on something at the same time.  Worse, each hand is effectively only one digit for him.&lt;p&gt;And then, there are the folks who don&apos;t even have his degree of dexterity.&lt;p&gt;I can&apos;t help thinking that it might be a good thing for general interface designers to consider the implications of disabilities for users of these designs, instead of shrugging that off onto providers of interfaces specifically for the disabled.</text></item></parent_chain></comment><story><title>10 finger multi-touch UI designed to replace the mouse</title><url>http://10gui.com/</url></story>
<instructions>Your goal is to analyze the following comment and estimate how highly it will be upvoted by the Hacker News community.</instructions><comment><author>alexitosrv</author><text>I can think in several counter examples:&lt;p&gt;In mac os x, 
- how to show the desktop with a keyboard shortcut ?&lt;p&gt;- how to maximize/minimize/restore a window with a keyboard shortcut (on windows you can press Alt+spacebar, and then x/n/r) ?&lt;p&gt;- how to efficiently copy/move files in finder with a keyboard shortcut ?&lt;p&gt;- how is better thought the fact that when you are in finder and then you press enter, you are going to rename a file? because in order to open/execute on a file you must press command+O...&lt;p&gt;And finally, the operation you asked can be performed on windows by pressing ctrl+shift+esc, and if you are in the process tab, spelling the first letters of the procname, then press delete and confirm.</text><parent_chain><item><author>andreyf</author><text>In my experience, OSX has &lt;i&gt;much&lt;/i&gt; better thought-out keyboard shortcuts than Windows does. A simple example: you&apos;d like to force-kill the focused application. In OSX, you type command-option-esc (one hand), return, return (other hand). I don&apos;t know what it is in Vita, but in XP, it would require quite a bit of mousework.</text></item><item><author>joe_the_user</author><text>No, but his problem actually points to this being a problem for anyone.&lt;p&gt;It becomes a problem when the machine requires all of my dexterity just to accomplish a given task. I dislike all Apple products specifically because they &lt;i&gt;require&lt;/i&gt; mouse operations to accomplish things where Linux and MS interfaces tend to have keyboard shortcuts.</text></item><item><author>gecko</author><text>Without disagreeing, I also don&apos;t think it makes sense to discount potentially massive improvements in user interfaces merely because a portion of the population cannot use them.</text></item><item><author>Semiapies</author><text>Talk about multi-touch reminds me of a friend&apos;s perennial complaint, &quot;The future of interfaces seems designed to screw me over.&quot;&lt;p&gt;He has a congenital deformity of the arms, but he can type (and is one of those clacky-IBM keyboard fetishists). With his feet, he can use mice and controllers.  But multi-touch systems are beyond his ability - while he can pivot and shift to type remarkably quickly, he can&apos;t get more than one hand on something at the same time.  Worse, each hand is effectively only one digit for him.&lt;p&gt;And then, there are the folks who don&apos;t even have his degree of dexterity.&lt;p&gt;I can&apos;t help thinking that it might be a good thing for general interface designers to consider the implications of disabilities for users of these designs, instead of shrugging that off onto providers of interfaces specifically for the disabled.</text></item></parent_chain></comment><story><title>10 finger multi-touch UI designed to replace the mouse</title><url>http://10gui.com/</url></story>