<instructions>Your goal is to analyze the following comment and estimate how highly it will be upvoted by the Hacker News community.</instructions><comment><author>suhail</author><text>Most people want an experience where the underlying OS and the application (the browser) interoperate seamlessly versus having to tame two desktop experiences. The primary application people think is slow is their browser by a wide margin so that&amp;#x27;s where we decided to focus as more native desktop apps become web apps. That focus lets us constrain the problems we get solve vs boiling the ocean with all of Windows.&lt;p&gt;Fwiw, we started by streaming Windows and pivoted away.&lt;p&gt;It&amp;#x27;s not clear to me that Shadow&amp;#x27;s business is sustainable. Windows licensing alone for virtualization across end-users if you buy from a reseller is $11&amp;#x2F;mo&amp;#x2F;user alone. I only know because we tried and became a reseller briefly. They also seem to use consumer GPUs that violate NVIDIA&amp;#x27;s licensing and agreements. Maybe they know something we don&amp;#x27;t.</text><parent_chain><item><author>mosr</author><text>Really interesting service.&lt;p&gt;Why might I use this instead of &amp;#x2F; in addition to Shadow (&lt;a href=&quot;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;shadow.tech&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;shadow.tech&lt;/a&gt;)? I&amp;#x27;m a Shadow user, and they seem to give you beefier hardware at half the price, and it&amp;#x27;s a general purpose OS that will let you run any app (as opposed to &amp;quot;just&amp;quot; a browser).</text></item><item><author>suhail</author><text>Fwiw, we had 5 customers pay $30&amp;#x2F;mo in the last 12 hours who have been trying Mighty for a few weeks.&lt;p&gt;Believe me, I was skeptical too. I remember sitting in a car  driving back up from YC with Michael Siebel asking him: &amp;quot;Hey man, do you think I am absolutely nuts thinking people would pay for a browser that&amp;#x27;s FREE? That&amp;#x27;s an idiotic idea right?&amp;quot; and, of course, he encouraged me and I am still feeling pretty encouraged based on talking to users and seeing the revenue&amp;#x2F;usage&amp;#x2F;praise 18 mo later.&lt;p&gt;We have a lot of work to do and I am pretty embarrassed of what we&amp;#x27;ve got still but it felt right to get public about it.</text></item><item><author>andrewguenther</author><text>$30-50&amp;#x2F;month is a wild price point for this. Who is going to pay that? It feels too expensive both for enterprise (existing remote desktop solutions run about half the cost) and for end-users.&lt;p&gt;I worked on a similar solution to this and we had a price point of $5&amp;#x2F;month per user...&lt;p&gt;EDIT: 16GB of RAM and 16vCPUs. What a weird balancing of resources. Chrome is typically memory bound, not CPU bound. This also explains why it would be so wildly expensive compared to anything else out there.&lt;p&gt;EDIT2: A lot of the replies I&amp;#x27;m getting seem to think my implication here is that no one would pay for this or it would be easier for people to build this themselves. I&amp;#x27;m not saying that at all, I&amp;#x27;m just critiquing the price point. There&amp;#x27;s huge market demand for browser isolation, I&amp;#x27;ve worked on products in that field, I just haven&amp;#x27;t encountered any customers willing to pay $30-50&amp;#x2F;month for it.</text></item></parent_chain></comment><story><title>Mighty Makes Google Chrome Faster</title><url>https://www.mightyapp.com/</url></story>
<instructions>Your goal is to analyze the following comment and estimate how highly it will be upvoted by the Hacker News community.</instructions><comment><author>andrewguenther</author><text>Yep, this is exactly what I was getting at. Shadow is one of many examples of application streaming services which aren&amp;#x27;t limited to the browser and offer similar hardware (or even flexible hardware) at a lower price point.</text><parent_chain><item><author>mosr</author><text>Really interesting service.&lt;p&gt;Why might I use this instead of &amp;#x2F; in addition to Shadow (&lt;a href=&quot;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;shadow.tech&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;shadow.tech&lt;/a&gt;)? I&amp;#x27;m a Shadow user, and they seem to give you beefier hardware at half the price, and it&amp;#x27;s a general purpose OS that will let you run any app (as opposed to &amp;quot;just&amp;quot; a browser).</text></item><item><author>suhail</author><text>Fwiw, we had 5 customers pay $30&amp;#x2F;mo in the last 12 hours who have been trying Mighty for a few weeks.&lt;p&gt;Believe me, I was skeptical too. I remember sitting in a car  driving back up from YC with Michael Siebel asking him: &amp;quot;Hey man, do you think I am absolutely nuts thinking people would pay for a browser that&amp;#x27;s FREE? That&amp;#x27;s an idiotic idea right?&amp;quot; and, of course, he encouraged me and I am still feeling pretty encouraged based on talking to users and seeing the revenue&amp;#x2F;usage&amp;#x2F;praise 18 mo later.&lt;p&gt;We have a lot of work to do and I am pretty embarrassed of what we&amp;#x27;ve got still but it felt right to get public about it.</text></item><item><author>andrewguenther</author><text>$30-50&amp;#x2F;month is a wild price point for this. Who is going to pay that? It feels too expensive both for enterprise (existing remote desktop solutions run about half the cost) and for end-users.&lt;p&gt;I worked on a similar solution to this and we had a price point of $5&amp;#x2F;month per user...&lt;p&gt;EDIT: 16GB of RAM and 16vCPUs. What a weird balancing of resources. Chrome is typically memory bound, not CPU bound. This also explains why it would be so wildly expensive compared to anything else out there.&lt;p&gt;EDIT2: A lot of the replies I&amp;#x27;m getting seem to think my implication here is that no one would pay for this or it would be easier for people to build this themselves. I&amp;#x27;m not saying that at all, I&amp;#x27;m just critiquing the price point. There&amp;#x27;s huge market demand for browser isolation, I&amp;#x27;ve worked on products in that field, I just haven&amp;#x27;t encountered any customers willing to pay $30-50&amp;#x2F;month for it.</text></item></parent_chain></comment><story><title>Mighty Makes Google Chrome Faster</title><url>https://www.mightyapp.com/</url></story>