<instructions>Your goal is to analyze the following comment and estimate how highly it will be upvoted by the Hacker News community.</instructions><comment><author>StillBored</author><text>Right, its easy to name a half dozen companies that designed their own cores that turned out to be worse or no better than the arm offerings.&lt;p&gt;The real hubris at these companies is thinking they can build a team that can create a better chip in one generation. Apple is on what the 10th public generation of their own cores, from a team they acqihired that was already producing cpus? How many generations&amp;#x2F;respins did it take before they replaced the ARM ip with their own designs, and then how many generations was it before they were faster? Not only that but Arm seems to have gotten serious a few years ago and the IPC is within striking distance of the best amd&amp;#x2F;intel products. They are no longer doing obviously stupid things, so it seems odd a company like ampere doesn&amp;#x27;t have another respun Altra with a N2&amp;#x2F;V2 sitting on the sidelines as a fallback when their own design fails.</text><parent_chain><item><author>awill</author><text>Interesting. They they&amp;#x27;d better be much faster than an off-the-shelf Arm core.
That takes some serious investment. Qualcomm tried it, and eventually gave up. Isn&amp;#x27;t the only company outdoing Arm Apple?</text></item><item><author>rgbrenner</author><text>No, they’re using their own designs for AmpereOne, and all chips going forward.</text></item><item><author>awill</author><text>It&amp;#x27;s not like there&amp;#x27;s that much magic to it. Ampere is just using off-the-shelf Arm-designed cores. Altra was an Arm Neoverse N1.&lt;p&gt;Presumably Altra-Next will just use Neoverse N2 (or N3).</text></item><item><author>bee_rider</author><text>It is a little bit of a weird article. It seems like they alternate between pointing out that the new Epyc knocks the socks off the Altra Max, but also they the Max is a 2 year old chip and that we don’t know enough about the successor to compare it to the Epyc.&lt;p&gt;It is of course always possible that Ampere has completely shit the bed and the AmpereOne won’t be an improvement, but I’ll give them the benefit of the doubt I guess.</text></item></parent_chain></comment><story><title>AMD&apos;s 128-core Epycs could spell trouble for Ampere Computing</title><url>https://www.theregister.com/2023/06/21/amd_ampere_cloud_core_competition/</url></story>
<instructions>Your goal is to analyze the following comment and estimate how highly it will be upvoted by the Hacker News community.</instructions><comment><author>KingOfCoders</author><text>Apple does it mostly with the best fab tech (3nm next [0]), one generation ahead of everyone else, and with lots of cache (expensive, but they have the margins by being expensive and being vertically integrated), more than everyone else.&lt;p&gt;Apple doesn&amp;#x27;t do it with ARM design in this sense.&lt;p&gt;[0] &lt;a href=&quot;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;www.macrumors.com&amp;#x2F;2023&amp;#x2F;02&amp;#x2F;22&amp;#x2F;apple-secures-tsmc-3nm-chips&amp;#x2F;&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow noreferrer&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;www.macrumors.com&amp;#x2F;2023&amp;#x2F;02&amp;#x2F;22&amp;#x2F;apple-secures-tsmc-3nm-...&lt;/a&gt;</text><parent_chain><item><author>awill</author><text>Interesting. They they&amp;#x27;d better be much faster than an off-the-shelf Arm core.
That takes some serious investment. Qualcomm tried it, and eventually gave up. Isn&amp;#x27;t the only company outdoing Arm Apple?</text></item><item><author>rgbrenner</author><text>No, they’re using their own designs for AmpereOne, and all chips going forward.</text></item><item><author>awill</author><text>It&amp;#x27;s not like there&amp;#x27;s that much magic to it. Ampere is just using off-the-shelf Arm-designed cores. Altra was an Arm Neoverse N1.&lt;p&gt;Presumably Altra-Next will just use Neoverse N2 (or N3).</text></item><item><author>bee_rider</author><text>It is a little bit of a weird article. It seems like they alternate between pointing out that the new Epyc knocks the socks off the Altra Max, but also they the Max is a 2 year old chip and that we don’t know enough about the successor to compare it to the Epyc.&lt;p&gt;It is of course always possible that Ampere has completely shit the bed and the AmpereOne won’t be an improvement, but I’ll give them the benefit of the doubt I guess.</text></item></parent_chain></comment><story><title>AMD&apos;s 128-core Epycs could spell trouble for Ampere Computing</title><url>https://www.theregister.com/2023/06/21/amd_ampere_cloud_core_competition/</url></story>