<instructions>Your goal is to analyze the following comment and estimate how highly it will be upvoted by the Hacker News community.</instructions><comment><author>martopix</author><text>I disagree with the first part, I remember home appliances made in Asia in the 90s that came with completely ridiculous manuals, possibly translated with a dictionary and little else. Machine translation can really be good if used properly. Of course I wouldn&amp;#x27;t use it to translate literature.</text><parent_chain><item><author>avian</author><text>&amp;gt; ML revolutionized translation a long time ago and the demand and pay for translators went down.&lt;p&gt;ML translation also caused a noticeable drop in the average quality of translated text in my experience. Companies now ship machine-translated manuals for minor languages that are often little more than gibberish. Human translators weren&amp;#x27;t perfect - for example, often you could see that the translator didn&amp;#x27;t know the terminology of the field. But at least the rest of the text was usually intelligible.&lt;p&gt;If this is where we&amp;#x27;re heading to with visual art as well I&amp;#x27;m not looking forward to the future. Imagine an instruction manual where illustrations are machine-created. Everything looks kind of weird and inconsistent. If you quickly flip through the book it looks like all the important points are shown on the pictures, but looking closely shapes don&amp;#x27;t match with reality and the details are all wrong. The number of bolts changes from picture to picture. It&amp;#x27;s all there just to check a mark on someone&amp;#x27;s list, but doesn&amp;#x27;t really help you in servicing the thing.</text></item><item><author>olladecarne</author><text>ML revolutionized translation a long time ago and the demand and pay for translators went down. It also used the works of thousands of humans who translated text and they never saw a dime. Copyright applies to translations so we&amp;#x27;ve already gone through something similar. The same will happen with art and every other medium that ML touches. I have a love&amp;#x2F;hate relationship with ML because of this. It seems that there will be a painful transition period as many humans are displaced, probably even average coders like me. In a way, it&amp;#x27;s no different than what a human does but humans can&amp;#x27;t scale like computers. I hope someone can engineer a new economic system that works for what&amp;#x27;s coming.</text></item></parent_chain></comment><story><title>Copyright infringement in AI art</title><url>https://www.technollama.co.uk/copyright-infringement-in-artificial-intelligence-art</url></story>
<instructions>Your goal is to analyze the following comment and estimate how highly it will be upvoted by the Hacker News community.</instructions><comment><author>vintermann</author><text>That sort of translation always had a lemon problem. How do you know if the translation to Portuguese is any good, if you don&amp;#x27;t speak Portuguese and don&amp;#x27;t know anyone who does? You can pay the expensive translator company, or the dodgy cheaper translator company that claims to be equally good.&lt;p&gt;Did you choose the responsible expensive option? Sucks, because they have been competing with the bad&amp;#x2F;automated translators so long that they squeeze their human translators so hard, they produce bad translations anyway.&lt;p&gt;Also, it didn&amp;#x27;t help that you didn&amp;#x27;t give them any context, but just sent them one sentence at a time, extracted from the strings in your program. Because we&amp;#x27;ve all done that, haven&amp;#x27;t we?</text><parent_chain><item><author>avian</author><text>&amp;gt; ML revolutionized translation a long time ago and the demand and pay for translators went down.&lt;p&gt;ML translation also caused a noticeable drop in the average quality of translated text in my experience. Companies now ship machine-translated manuals for minor languages that are often little more than gibberish. Human translators weren&amp;#x27;t perfect - for example, often you could see that the translator didn&amp;#x27;t know the terminology of the field. But at least the rest of the text was usually intelligible.&lt;p&gt;If this is where we&amp;#x27;re heading to with visual art as well I&amp;#x27;m not looking forward to the future. Imagine an instruction manual where illustrations are machine-created. Everything looks kind of weird and inconsistent. If you quickly flip through the book it looks like all the important points are shown on the pictures, but looking closely shapes don&amp;#x27;t match with reality and the details are all wrong. The number of bolts changes from picture to picture. It&amp;#x27;s all there just to check a mark on someone&amp;#x27;s list, but doesn&amp;#x27;t really help you in servicing the thing.</text></item><item><author>olladecarne</author><text>ML revolutionized translation a long time ago and the demand and pay for translators went down. It also used the works of thousands of humans who translated text and they never saw a dime. Copyright applies to translations so we&amp;#x27;ve already gone through something similar. The same will happen with art and every other medium that ML touches. I have a love&amp;#x2F;hate relationship with ML because of this. It seems that there will be a painful transition period as many humans are displaced, probably even average coders like me. In a way, it&amp;#x27;s no different than what a human does but humans can&amp;#x27;t scale like computers. I hope someone can engineer a new economic system that works for what&amp;#x27;s coming.</text></item></parent_chain></comment><story><title>Copyright infringement in AI art</title><url>https://www.technollama.co.uk/copyright-infringement-in-artificial-intelligence-art</url></story>