<instructions>Your goal is to analyze the following comment and estimate how highly it will be upvoted by the Hacker News community.</instructions><comment><author>tjoff</author><text>The end user was never even considered.&lt;p&gt;But surely windows will activate defender? Since any AV must register in windows and considering that MS isn&amp;#x27;t exactly known for respecting user wishes I&amp;#x27;d expect defender to start up the same nanosecond any other AV stops.&lt;p&gt;Though I&amp;#x27;d never out myself in a position to test that.</text><parent_chain><item><author>sumthinprofound</author><text>My firm belief is the that hardware vendors do end users a disservice by preloading 3rd party anti-virus software that expires ans requires payment after a period of time for virus signature updates.   Typically this 3rd party software disables Defender, so once the pre-installed AV trial runs out, the user is exposed.</text></item></parent_chain></comment><story><title>Windows Defender is enough, if you harden it</title><url>https://0ut3r.space/2022/03/06/windows-defender/</url></story>
<instructions>Your goal is to analyze the following comment and estimate how highly it will be upvoted by the Hacker News community.</instructions><comment><author>Nextgrid</author><text>&amp;gt; do end users a disservice by preloading 3rd party anti-virus software&lt;p&gt;There&amp;#x27;s a reason they&amp;#x27;re paid for doing so. If it was beneficial they&amp;#x27;d do it for free.</text><parent_chain><item><author>sumthinprofound</author><text>My firm belief is the that hardware vendors do end users a disservice by preloading 3rd party anti-virus software that expires ans requires payment after a period of time for virus signature updates.   Typically this 3rd party software disables Defender, so once the pre-installed AV trial runs out, the user is exposed.</text></item></parent_chain></comment><story><title>Windows Defender is enough, if you harden it</title><url>https://0ut3r.space/2022/03/06/windows-defender/</url></story>