<instructions>Your goal is to analyze the following comment and estimate how highly it will be upvoted by the Hacker News community.</instructions><comment><author>robbiep</author><text>I’m honestly confused by the points of view that hold that unless a person was&amp;#x2F;is as pure as the driven snow they deserve to be scrubbed from the history books.&lt;p&gt;Jobs, Churchill, Gates, Musk - I don’t understand. It’s as if proponents of that view believe that the only people deserving of recognition are those that were completely internally consistent, including by the times in which they are being judged (ie present tense).&lt;p&gt;Humans are complex. None of us (or at least, very very few of us) are fully internally consistent. The personality flaws that cause the greatest consternation may also be those that lead to our greatest triumphs. If they are not criminal, why not recognise people for doing great things? And why is it so hard to say add the caveat that &lt;i&gt;like all humans, they had their flaws&lt;/i&gt;?</text><parent_chain><item><author>hamburgerwah</author><text>I really don&amp;#x27;t know why people want to venerate anything to do with Steve Jobs. He was an absolute disgrace of a human being, treated people like garbage, a borderline psychopath. And yet some venerate him because he made some pretty things before other people would have inevitably made those same pretty things.&lt;p&gt;P.S. I somewhat agree with the commentator saying that hacker news is in many ways a sort of venture capital pornography, but I think the people comparing jobs to historical figures that confronted adolf hitler or changed the course of human history need some very long and deep self reflection.</text></item></parent_chain></comment><story><title>Two perspectives on a designer who Steve Jobs could not hire</title><url>https://www.arun.is/blog/richard-sapper/</url></story>
<instructions>Your goal is to analyze the following comment and estimate how highly it will be upvoted by the Hacker News community.</instructions><comment><author>austhrow743</author><text>This is the forum for a VC firm. You would be hard pressed to find a social media platform with a greater concentration of people wanting to make a shitload of money by growing a tech company outside of the one that&amp;#x27;s exclusively for people who have received YC funding.&lt;p&gt;Steve Jobs made a shitload of money growing a tech company. The broad overview of his career involving him being there when it went from nothing to something, leaving, succeeding while it floundered, then returning to have it then also succeed; gives him more credibility for having caused that success than many other potential role models have.</text><parent_chain><item><author>hamburgerwah</author><text>I really don&amp;#x27;t know why people want to venerate anything to do with Steve Jobs. He was an absolute disgrace of a human being, treated people like garbage, a borderline psychopath. And yet some venerate him because he made some pretty things before other people would have inevitably made those same pretty things.&lt;p&gt;P.S. I somewhat agree with the commentator saying that hacker news is in many ways a sort of venture capital pornography, but I think the people comparing jobs to historical figures that confronted adolf hitler or changed the course of human history need some very long and deep self reflection.</text></item></parent_chain></comment><story><title>Two perspectives on a designer who Steve Jobs could not hire</title><url>https://www.arun.is/blog/richard-sapper/</url></story>