<instructions>Your goal is to analyze the following comment and estimate how highly it will be upvoted by the Hacker News community.</instructions><comment><author>ma2rten</author><text>You should not start with bootstrap in that case. I think especially in the beginning when you are learning CSS you should build something from scratch. Otherwise you have to learn both, CSS and how bootstrap is constructed.&lt;p&gt;CSS is not hard. I don&apos;t consider myself good at css, not at all, but give me a mockup and I can reproduce it, with a lot of Googling and trail-and-error. At least for me, though, what is really difficult is to make something from scratch without a mockup. It might be because I am not much of a visual thinker. I am a coder after all, not a designer. A professional designer might already have this mockup in her head. I don&apos;t.&lt;p&gt;So what I need to do is create the mockup in Photoshop first. There I can experiment, move stuff around, change colors, shadows, etc. When I am done, I reproduce it in css. I guess when you are either a very strong visual thinker or you are already very good at css, you don&apos;t need Photoshop. Otherwise I recommend you start with a mockup and then make a pixel-by-pixel reproduction of it. That way you can solely focus on the How, not the What. If you do that it&apos;s not hard at all, and you don&apos;t need a code academy for it. [That said I like the idea of a code academy for building a website from scratch for non-coders]</text><parent_chain><item><author>nhebb</author><text>I like the idea, and I hope it does well. But what I would pay money for is a series of lessons on how to customize bootstrap. The whole reason I&apos;m using bootstrap for my site redesign is because:&lt;p&gt;&lt;pre&gt;&lt;code&gt;  - I can&apos;t find off the shelf themes that meet my needs.
  - I want to learn how to do it myself.
  - I want a solid foundation to start with.
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A codecademy for CSS &quot;cooking&quot; with bootstrap would be great. A quick mover with good design skills could probably make a decent amount of money in a short period if they sold tutorials with focused content. &lt;i&gt;[I&apos;m just throwing this out there in case someone wants to bite.]&lt;/i&gt;</text></item></parent_chain></comment><story><title>Show HN: Themes for Bootstrap</title><url>http://wrapbootstrap.com/</url></story>
<instructions>Your goal is to analyze the following comment and estimate how highly it will be upvoted by the Hacker News community.</instructions><comment><author>ctuite</author><text>Ok, well my series is focused on teaching developers how to create their own simple frameworks to suit specifics needs. It will also explain fundamental design principles using popular sites as examples of why their design works.&lt;p&gt;Anyway, I&apos;m halway through making my series so I&apos;m gonna launch that and if it&apos;s received well I&apos;ll probably do a bootstrap customisation series too.&lt;p&gt;Slightly controversial question, but how much would you be willing to pay for a series like this? I think I paid €80 for Michael Hartl&apos;s rails tutorial series and I was satisfied with that price.</text><parent_chain><item><author>nhebb</author><text>I like the idea, and I hope it does well. But what I would pay money for is a series of lessons on how to customize bootstrap. The whole reason I&apos;m using bootstrap for my site redesign is because:&lt;p&gt;&lt;pre&gt;&lt;code&gt;  - I can&apos;t find off the shelf themes that meet my needs.
  - I want to learn how to do it myself.
  - I want a solid foundation to start with.
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A codecademy for CSS &quot;cooking&quot; with bootstrap would be great. A quick mover with good design skills could probably make a decent amount of money in a short period if they sold tutorials with focused content. &lt;i&gt;[I&apos;m just throwing this out there in case someone wants to bite.]&lt;/i&gt;</text></item></parent_chain></comment><story><title>Show HN: Themes for Bootstrap</title><url>http://wrapbootstrap.com/</url></story>