<instructions>Your goal is to analyze the following comment and estimate how highly it will be upvoted by the Hacker News community.</instructions><comment><author>tikhonj</author><text>Yes, all the time. I&amp;#x27;ve heard it for physics, I&amp;#x27;ve heard it for CS and I&amp;#x27;ve heard it for programming, all with good reason: the way you teach somebody deeply invested in your field is different than the way you teach somebody deeply invested in a &lt;i&gt;different&lt;/i&gt; field, learning yours as a supplement. Or maybe a better way of putting it is that the way you teach somebody interested in a field &lt;i&gt;in and of itself&lt;/i&gt; is different than the way you teach somebody who has other interests and motivations, but still needs to learn.&lt;p&gt;And hey, maybe before college, almost everyone is a non-mathematician. There&amp;#x27;s the small majority of students who&amp;#x27;d love learning group theory because it&amp;#x27;s fun and beautiful, and then there&amp;#x27;s everyone else who need practical applications and real-world examples. But the way you teach them is ultimately just like the way you&amp;#x27;d teach non-mathematicians in college or further on in life, when there&amp;#x27;s a clearer delineation.</text><parent_chain><item><author>imgabe</author><text>Do other disciplines ask similar questions?&lt;p&gt;How should physics be taught to non-physicists?&lt;p&gt;How should writing be taught to non-writers?&lt;p&gt;How should car maintenance be taught to non-mechanics?&lt;p&gt;I guess my point is, why should we teach mathematics any differently to &amp;quot;non-mathematicians&amp;quot; than we do to &amp;quot;mathematicians&amp;quot;? I mean, at the point when you&amp;#x27;re first teaching someone, how do you even know if they&amp;#x27;re a &amp;quot;non-mathematician&amp;quot; or a &amp;quot;mathematician&amp;quot;? After all, they haven&amp;#x27;t learned enough yet to know if they&amp;#x27;d want to continue in that field of study.</text></item></parent_chain></comment><story><title>How should mathematics be taught to non-mathematicians? (2012)</title><url>https://gowers.wordpress.com/2012/06/08/how-should-mathematics-be-taught-to-non-mathematicians/</url></story>
<instructions>Your goal is to analyze the following comment and estimate how highly it will be upvoted by the Hacker News community.</instructions><comment><author>godelski</author><text>When I was in school I taught a physics lab to non-physicists, and this was a conversation professors and I had. Granted this was at university level so most people had an idea about whether they (thought they) were a math person or not. I went in with a completely different philosophy to that class than with physicists. Because here&amp;#x27;s the thing, a physicist will care about different things than the non-physicist.&lt;p&gt;What I focused on was less of the physics and mathematics and more on making sure they gained an intuition about how nature works and how to think critically. These people didn&amp;#x27;t need the same toolbox as the ones trying to get a degree in physics or engineering. I could care less if these students knew the equations for Newton&amp;#x27;s laws, but I did care if they had an intuition. I didn&amp;#x27;t care if they had Bernoulli&amp;#x27;s principle memorized, but I did care if they could analyze an experiment.&lt;p&gt;The difference is that these people needed different skills in their lives. You must know it is popular to say things like &amp;quot;School taught me the Pythagorean theorem but not how to do my taxes.&amp;quot; These people aren&amp;#x27;t realizing that math is giving them a toolbox that can help them do their taxes and other things. I teach my young nephews math whenever I visit them. They don&amp;#x27;t care about it in school but they like what I teach them because I make it fun and challenging. You can get a lot of topics covered and a lot of ideas and principles conveyed if you aren&amp;#x27;t worried about them being able to do every case. An example of this being that the basic principles of calculus can be used in your daily life and could benefit everyone (thinking about things like rates of change, tangents, series, limits, and squeeze theorem), but they won&amp;#x27;t need to be able to take the derivative of a function unless they are going into a job that requires that.&lt;p&gt;So I guess what I&amp;#x27;m getting at is that there is a lot of benefit from math to the average person without actually requiring them to be fluent in the language. Think about this like being a moderate speaker in a second language but not being able to write or hold a deep conversation. They have a lot of advantages over someone who might know more about the written language and grammar, but don&amp;#x27;t know many words. I think the same argument of learning basic phrases in a second language would apply here as well. Most people don&amp;#x27;t need to be fluent, but we are teaching them like they are.</text><parent_chain><item><author>imgabe</author><text>Do other disciplines ask similar questions?&lt;p&gt;How should physics be taught to non-physicists?&lt;p&gt;How should writing be taught to non-writers?&lt;p&gt;How should car maintenance be taught to non-mechanics?&lt;p&gt;I guess my point is, why should we teach mathematics any differently to &amp;quot;non-mathematicians&amp;quot; than we do to &amp;quot;mathematicians&amp;quot;? I mean, at the point when you&amp;#x27;re first teaching someone, how do you even know if they&amp;#x27;re a &amp;quot;non-mathematician&amp;quot; or a &amp;quot;mathematician&amp;quot;? After all, they haven&amp;#x27;t learned enough yet to know if they&amp;#x27;d want to continue in that field of study.</text></item></parent_chain></comment><story><title>How should mathematics be taught to non-mathematicians? (2012)</title><url>https://gowers.wordpress.com/2012/06/08/how-should-mathematics-be-taught-to-non-mathematicians/</url></story>