<instructions>Your goal is to analyze the following comment and estimate how highly it will be upvoted by the Hacker News community.</instructions><comment><author>lisper</author><text>Yes, of course.  Your tone has to convey not only, &amp;quot;I am not a predator&amp;quot; but also &amp;quot;I do not perceive you as a threat, and so the purpose of my vocalization is not to scare you away because I perceive &lt;i&gt;you&lt;/i&gt; as a threat, and if you come close I am likely to try to harm you in order to defend myself.&amp;quot;&lt;p&gt;In nature, the Bayesian prior on an entity that is not a member of your species, or even your tribe, seeking an interaction with you that will ultimately be to your benefit is very, very low.</text><parent_chain><item><author>prox</author><text>My amateur theory is that talking makes you less likely to be a predator. You basically say “here I am”, Predators tend to be quiet and sneak up on their prey. I think the tone does indeed help somewhat in my experience.</text></item><item><author>wpietri</author><text>I can vouch for this approach. I lived in the territory of a couple of ravens (close relatives of crows; just as smart and twice as large) and it took me maybe 18  months to build a close relationship.&lt;p&gt;I started out just talking to them and throwing whole peanuts (roasted, unsalted) on the ground while I was doing it. They looked at me warily and did not come close. Later on, the peanuts would disappear, but I was never sure why. This period lasted months.&lt;p&gt;Eventually they would come down when I threw a peanut and approach it warily. If it was closer than 15 or 20 feet to me, I&amp;#x27;d have to back away to give them enough room. Then I could throw another peanut near (but not at!) them and they&amp;#x27;d walk over to get it.&lt;p&gt;After many more months of this (six, I&amp;#x27;d guess) they were somewhat less wary of me and would hang out on our back fence sometimes. So we worked out a ritual. I would place a piece of food on the fence rail and back away; they&amp;#x27;d hop over and get it. As he suggested, I would talk with them as I did it. I&amp;#x27;m sure the words didn&amp;#x27;t matter, but I suspect the tone did, and it helped me focus on being soothing with voice, body language, and behavior.&lt;p&gt;Toward the end of my time there we got so that one of them would take high-value food, like a chicken bone with bits of meat left on it, straight out of my hand. That one, who we called George, would happily sit pretty close to me after eating. Out of arm&amp;#x27;s reach, of course; they were still a bit wary. But it would settle down and chill out. Truly a magical experience to just hang out with a big, smart bird like that. You looking at one another, both trying to figure out exactly what the other&amp;#x27;s deal is. And me, at least, knowing, that I&amp;#x27;d never fully know.</text></item></parent_chain></comment><story><title>How to Befriend Crows</title><url>https://fediscience.org/@ct_bergstrom/109571409346371116</url></story>
<instructions>Your goal is to analyze the following comment and estimate how highly it will be upvoted by the Hacker News community.</instructions><comment><author>oasisbob</author><text>Makes sense to me. Crows have caught me tree climbing under them during their evening flights to the communal roost, the result was always a chaotic mess. They just couldn&amp;#x27;t leave it alone. Without fail, eventually one crow would notice and start the alarm call, then the hundreds of crows arriving at the situation would break off flight and begin mobbing as well.&lt;p&gt;I must have seemed very novel and sneaky.&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;youtu.be&amp;#x2F;RuOVY4r9ipg&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;youtu.be&amp;#x2F;RuOVY4r9ipg&lt;/a&gt;</text><parent_chain><item><author>prox</author><text>My amateur theory is that talking makes you less likely to be a predator. You basically say “here I am”, Predators tend to be quiet and sneak up on their prey. I think the tone does indeed help somewhat in my experience.</text></item><item><author>wpietri</author><text>I can vouch for this approach. I lived in the territory of a couple of ravens (close relatives of crows; just as smart and twice as large) and it took me maybe 18  months to build a close relationship.&lt;p&gt;I started out just talking to them and throwing whole peanuts (roasted, unsalted) on the ground while I was doing it. They looked at me warily and did not come close. Later on, the peanuts would disappear, but I was never sure why. This period lasted months.&lt;p&gt;Eventually they would come down when I threw a peanut and approach it warily. If it was closer than 15 or 20 feet to me, I&amp;#x27;d have to back away to give them enough room. Then I could throw another peanut near (but not at!) them and they&amp;#x27;d walk over to get it.&lt;p&gt;After many more months of this (six, I&amp;#x27;d guess) they were somewhat less wary of me and would hang out on our back fence sometimes. So we worked out a ritual. I would place a piece of food on the fence rail and back away; they&amp;#x27;d hop over and get it. As he suggested, I would talk with them as I did it. I&amp;#x27;m sure the words didn&amp;#x27;t matter, but I suspect the tone did, and it helped me focus on being soothing with voice, body language, and behavior.&lt;p&gt;Toward the end of my time there we got so that one of them would take high-value food, like a chicken bone with bits of meat left on it, straight out of my hand. That one, who we called George, would happily sit pretty close to me after eating. Out of arm&amp;#x27;s reach, of course; they were still a bit wary. But it would settle down and chill out. Truly a magical experience to just hang out with a big, smart bird like that. You looking at one another, both trying to figure out exactly what the other&amp;#x27;s deal is. And me, at least, knowing, that I&amp;#x27;d never fully know.</text></item></parent_chain></comment><story><title>How to Befriend Crows</title><url>https://fediscience.org/@ct_bergstrom/109571409346371116</url></story>