<instructions>Your goal is to analyze the following comment and estimate how highly it will be upvoted by the Hacker News community.</instructions><comment><author>corobo</author><text>On the other hand I know what an iPod is, only ever heard of a Nomad through the quoted quote&lt;p&gt;There was a winner</text><parent_chain><item><author>saurik</author><text>&amp;gt; Do I really need to bring up the “No Wireless. Less Space than a Nomad. Lame.” Meme and how geeks didn’t get the iPod?&lt;p&gt;People love to bring this up... but that product (pretty much) did fail, in no small part because it had less space than a Nomad. The iPod wasn&amp;#x27;t successful until a couple revisions later and after the introduction of iTunes (which led to an end-to-end rethink of how you loaded music on these devices). No matter how hard Apple-acolytes want it to be true, if I come out with a bad product, and then later come out with a good product, it doesn&amp;#x27;t make the bad product retroactively awesome.</text></item><item><author>scarface74</author><text>No you don’t.&lt;p&gt;With iTunes you could have smart playlists like “create a list of all of the songs I haven’t played in X days”.&lt;p&gt;Normal people didn’t want to tag songs and use the filesystem.&lt;p&gt;Do I really need to bring up the “No Wireless.  Less Space than a Nomad. Lame.” Meme and how geeks didn’t get the iPod?&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;slashdot.org&amp;#x2F;story&amp;#x2F;01&amp;#x2F;10&amp;#x2F;23&amp;#x2F;1816257&amp;#x2F;apple-releases-ipod&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;slashdot.org&amp;#x2F;story&amp;#x2F;01&amp;#x2F;10&amp;#x2F;23&amp;#x2F;1816257&amp;#x2F;apple-releases-i...&lt;/a&gt;</text></item><item><author>kvark</author><text>Minority here, I never understood why music players shifted towards iTune-ish style of owning and re-categorizing everything in their own way... I mean, OS has a file system, why not just rely on it? Throw some searchable tags in, and you get the same abilities but without obscurity.</text></item><item><author>nategri</author><text>I remember when iTunes came out for Windows ca. 2003. I had friends with Macs so I leapt at the chance to try it for myself---it just seemed lightyears ahead of whatever I was using to interface with my music library at the time (Winamp, probably).&lt;p&gt;And what a long, slow, weird, decline it&amp;#x27;s been since then.</text></item></parent_chain></comment><story><title>Apple Plans End of iTunes</title><url>https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-05-31/apple-s-future-ios-13-macos-10-15-watchos-6-tvos-13-mac-pro</url></story>
<instructions>Your goal is to analyze the following comment and estimate how highly it will be upvoted by the Hacker News community.</instructions><comment><author>macintux</author><text>As pointed out, iTunes predates the iPod.&lt;p&gt;The major things that changed after the iPod was released: adding online music sales, switching from FireWire to USB for all the people stuck with the slower Windows hardware interface, and iTunes for Windows.&lt;p&gt;None of those changed the core iPod design; I don’t think the first one failed in any meaningful way.</text><parent_chain><item><author>saurik</author><text>&amp;gt; Do I really need to bring up the “No Wireless. Less Space than a Nomad. Lame.” Meme and how geeks didn’t get the iPod?&lt;p&gt;People love to bring this up... but that product (pretty much) did fail, in no small part because it had less space than a Nomad. The iPod wasn&amp;#x27;t successful until a couple revisions later and after the introduction of iTunes (which led to an end-to-end rethink of how you loaded music on these devices). No matter how hard Apple-acolytes want it to be true, if I come out with a bad product, and then later come out with a good product, it doesn&amp;#x27;t make the bad product retroactively awesome.</text></item><item><author>scarface74</author><text>No you don’t.&lt;p&gt;With iTunes you could have smart playlists like “create a list of all of the songs I haven’t played in X days”.&lt;p&gt;Normal people didn’t want to tag songs and use the filesystem.&lt;p&gt;Do I really need to bring up the “No Wireless.  Less Space than a Nomad. Lame.” Meme and how geeks didn’t get the iPod?&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;slashdot.org&amp;#x2F;story&amp;#x2F;01&amp;#x2F;10&amp;#x2F;23&amp;#x2F;1816257&amp;#x2F;apple-releases-ipod&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;slashdot.org&amp;#x2F;story&amp;#x2F;01&amp;#x2F;10&amp;#x2F;23&amp;#x2F;1816257&amp;#x2F;apple-releases-i...&lt;/a&gt;</text></item><item><author>kvark</author><text>Minority here, I never understood why music players shifted towards iTune-ish style of owning and re-categorizing everything in their own way... I mean, OS has a file system, why not just rely on it? Throw some searchable tags in, and you get the same abilities but without obscurity.</text></item><item><author>nategri</author><text>I remember when iTunes came out for Windows ca. 2003. I had friends with Macs so I leapt at the chance to try it for myself---it just seemed lightyears ahead of whatever I was using to interface with my music library at the time (Winamp, probably).&lt;p&gt;And what a long, slow, weird, decline it&amp;#x27;s been since then.</text></item></parent_chain></comment><story><title>Apple Plans End of iTunes</title><url>https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-05-31/apple-s-future-ios-13-macos-10-15-watchos-6-tvos-13-mac-pro</url></story>