<instructions>Your goal is to analyze the following comment and estimate how highly it will be upvoted by the Hacker News community.</instructions><comment><author>geebee</author><text>UC actually does raise a lot of money.  Last year, Berkeley raised about $400mil from private donations, compared to about $650mil for Harvard and over a $1bil for Stanford.  However, those institutions are including a med school.  If you add Berkeley and UCSF (a stand alone med&amp;#x2F;health sciences research university), it goes up to about $730 mil.&lt;p&gt;Of course, most of this goes toward research, which is probably a big part of why Berkeley hasn&amp;#x27;t really slipped much (if at all) in graduate standings (UCB actually has more PhD programs in the top 10 than any other university, according to the NSRC).  The problem is, what to do with those pesky undergrads.&lt;p&gt;Stanford and Harvard solve the problem by not enrolling all that many of them, charging a sky-high tuition, and then providing very very substantial financial aid even into the middle class (Harvard will charge 10% of family income to students from families earning between $120-$180k a year).  The problem on a societal level is that this doesn&amp;#x27;t scale, there just aren&amp;#x27;t enough spots.  Berkeley alone enrolls more  low income students than the entire ivy league combined.&lt;p&gt;I&amp;#x27;d rather see Berkeley continue this tradition at the undergrad level than emulate an elite private college.  But it isn&amp;#x27;t going to work without state funding.  The state just can&amp;#x27;t demand a huge undergraduate enrollment with lots of low income students and a high (70+%) from California without also kicking in a lot of money.&lt;p&gt;There&amp;#x27;s a reason Stanford and Harvard are structured this way - this is the optimal way to run an elite private research institution - more graduate students than undergraduates, and lots of grants and private donations, along with a small but very elite and well heeled undergrad population, with extremely generous financial aid to small numbers of low income students.&lt;p&gt;Berkeley was different because it was a state supported school with a different mission - and a different and substantial source of funding.  You can&amp;#x27;t keep the first without the second, it won&amp;#x27;t work.</text><parent_chain><item><author>calinet6</author><text>Robert Birgeneau, the chancellor emeritus of Berkeley, spoke at a fundraising event I attended and said something I thought was poignant:&lt;p&gt;&amp;quot;The University of California has gone from being a state-funded institution, to a state-sponsored institution, to a state-&lt;i&gt;located&lt;/i&gt; institution.&amp;quot;&lt;p&gt;The level at which the State of California funds the university is practically nothing at this point. Alumni donations have filled &lt;i&gt;some&lt;/i&gt; gaps but don&amp;#x27;t nearly cover everything. Tuition has increased to the point where even I, who graduated in 2006, consider it ridiculous. It is now over 8 times the maximum semester tuition I paid.&lt;p&gt;I can&amp;#x27;t imagine considering Berkeley a &amp;quot;great value&amp;quot; anymore, as I did when I was there considering the (excellent) quality of education versus the price. It used to be a sense of pride; that a public university could be so great, to prove the experiment, to show that society could produce academic excellence without falling to the vices of money and the divisions that come with it. Now that experiment has failed, and only those who believe in it strongly—the Alumni and supporters—are upholding it, but that&amp;#x27;s not sustainable.&lt;p&gt;We need to grow up. This fantasy of American individualism is killing us. We need to grow up and learn how to share—and this is the worst part: &lt;i&gt;as we once did.&lt;/i&gt;</text></item></parent_chain></comment><story><title>A summer job paid tuition back in ’81, but then we got cheap</title><url>http://seattletimes.com/html/localnews/2021250505_westneat23xml.html</url></story>
<instructions>Your goal is to analyze the following comment and estimate how highly it will be upvoted by the Hacker News community.</instructions><comment><author>Taylorious</author><text>It makes sense that public universities would become more expensive (because of state funding being cut), but what explains private universities raising their tuition so much?&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://nces.ed.gov/fastfacts/display.asp?id=76&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;nces.ed.gov&amp;#x2F;fastfacts&amp;#x2F;display.asp?id=76&lt;/a&gt;</text><parent_chain><item><author>calinet6</author><text>Robert Birgeneau, the chancellor emeritus of Berkeley, spoke at a fundraising event I attended and said something I thought was poignant:&lt;p&gt;&amp;quot;The University of California has gone from being a state-funded institution, to a state-sponsored institution, to a state-&lt;i&gt;located&lt;/i&gt; institution.&amp;quot;&lt;p&gt;The level at which the State of California funds the university is practically nothing at this point. Alumni donations have filled &lt;i&gt;some&lt;/i&gt; gaps but don&amp;#x27;t nearly cover everything. Tuition has increased to the point where even I, who graduated in 2006, consider it ridiculous. It is now over 8 times the maximum semester tuition I paid.&lt;p&gt;I can&amp;#x27;t imagine considering Berkeley a &amp;quot;great value&amp;quot; anymore, as I did when I was there considering the (excellent) quality of education versus the price. It used to be a sense of pride; that a public university could be so great, to prove the experiment, to show that society could produce academic excellence without falling to the vices of money and the divisions that come with it. Now that experiment has failed, and only those who believe in it strongly—the Alumni and supporters—are upholding it, but that&amp;#x27;s not sustainable.&lt;p&gt;We need to grow up. This fantasy of American individualism is killing us. We need to grow up and learn how to share—and this is the worst part: &lt;i&gt;as we once did.&lt;/i&gt;</text></item></parent_chain></comment><story><title>A summer job paid tuition back in ’81, but then we got cheap</title><url>http://seattletimes.com/html/localnews/2021250505_westneat23xml.html</url></story>