<instructions>Your goal is to analyze the following comment and estimate how highly it will be upvoted by the Hacker News community.</instructions><comment><author>jedberg</author><text>This was a great writeup with lots of great information.  One thing that bugged me though was the &amp;quot;When to Raise Money&amp;quot; section.  It says, in part: &amp;quot;However, for most it will require an idea, a product, and some amount of customer adoption, a.k.a. traction.&amp;quot;&lt;p&gt;There was a great comment on HN a while back (I wish I remembered who said it) that said, &amp;quot;If you&amp;#x27;re asking about traction or revenue, you aren&amp;#x27;t making a seed investment&amp;quot;.&lt;p&gt;Andy Bechtolsheim was a seed investor in Google -- he gave them a check based solely on their idea and who they were.  Paul Graham&amp;#x2F;YC made a seed investment in reddit and Justin.tv and whole host of other companies -- none of them existed as more than idea when YC invested.&lt;p&gt;But VCs are risk averse people (ironic given they are in the risk business), so it makes sense that they would rather invest after a company can show a little traction, especially now that it&amp;#x27;s so easy to get that initial traction.&lt;p&gt;I just think we need a new term besides &amp;quot;seed&amp;quot; to differentiate it from the true seed investments.</text><parent_chain></parent_chain></comment><story><title>A Guide to Seed Fundraising</title><url>http://themacro.com/articles/2016/01/how-to-raise-a-seed-round/</url></story>
<instructions>Your goal is to analyze the following comment and estimate how highly it will be upvoted by the Hacker News community.</instructions><comment><author>urs2102</author><text>This is fantastic. I am more and more impressed with the wealth of knowledge being shared by YC, especially regarding clarifying common financial vocabulary (which is often used to make people believe that finance is difficult as the terminology used in discussing finance is designed to sound more complicated than it is).&lt;p&gt;Similar to how clear and concise the SAFE documents are, this is really nice to read.</text><parent_chain></parent_chain></comment><story><title>A Guide to Seed Fundraising</title><url>http://themacro.com/articles/2016/01/how-to-raise-a-seed-round/</url></story>