<instructions>Your goal is to analyze the following comment and estimate how highly it will be upvoted by the Hacker News community.</instructions><comment><author>addicted</author><text>1. It’s pretty much only in the US that there are union workers and non union workers in the same field. If you haven’t already guessed, this is entirely a ploy by corporations, and the US govt to weaken unions by creating differences where none exist.&lt;p&gt;2. Unions rarely, if ever, negotiate rights only for their own workers. The massive union protests prior to COVID asking for minimum wage increases didn’t ask for minimum wage increases only for union workers. They asked for federal and in some cases statewide increases in minimum wage which would affect all workers.&lt;p&gt;3. A lot of the research shows that higher union salaries also translate into higher non-union salaries, so union efforts also very directly help non union workers.</text><parent_chain><item><author>JumpCrisscross</author><text>It’s difficult to see unions as anything but a failed model. What they advocate for, workers’ rights, is noble. But the divisiveness they employ makes them a political distraction. We need workers’ rights in law for everyone. Not just those who are in a union.</text></item><item><author>AndrewKemendo</author><text>Don’t you know?&lt;p&gt;We 10x engineers are so special that we are waving off offer after offer and that will never end.&lt;p&gt;Not only will that never end, but luckily I’m so perfect that I’ll never experience a disability or need any accommodation that I can’t just code or build myself.&lt;p&gt;I mean even then, certainly you had a good enough exit at your first company (like anyone good) that you could basically retire whenever.&lt;p&gt;I mean, you know it boils down to this: just be a better software engineer and you’ll never have to NEED a union. The only people that need unions probably suck at algorithms and think Kubernetes is too hard.&lt;p&gt;Live in emacs or starve is my motto</text></item><item><author>coldpie</author><text>Good news for those 700: because we don&amp;#x27;t have tech worker unions, they are able to individually bargain the terms of their layoff!&lt;p&gt;...right?</text></item></parent_chain></comment><story><title>LinkedIn laying off nearly 700, mostly from core engineering teams</title><url>https://www.cnbc.com/2023/10/16/microsoft-owned-linkedin-lays-off-nearly-700-read-the-memo-here.html</url></story>
<instructions>Your goal is to analyze the following comment and estimate how highly it will be upvoted by the Hacker News community.</instructions><comment><author>nerdbert</author><text>The only divisiveness I see (after many years in many different union shops) is planted by corporate flaks in an attempt to divide and conquer the other side of the negotiating table.</text><parent_chain><item><author>JumpCrisscross</author><text>It’s difficult to see unions as anything but a failed model. What they advocate for, workers’ rights, is noble. But the divisiveness they employ makes them a political distraction. We need workers’ rights in law for everyone. Not just those who are in a union.</text></item><item><author>AndrewKemendo</author><text>Don’t you know?&lt;p&gt;We 10x engineers are so special that we are waving off offer after offer and that will never end.&lt;p&gt;Not only will that never end, but luckily I’m so perfect that I’ll never experience a disability or need any accommodation that I can’t just code or build myself.&lt;p&gt;I mean even then, certainly you had a good enough exit at your first company (like anyone good) that you could basically retire whenever.&lt;p&gt;I mean, you know it boils down to this: just be a better software engineer and you’ll never have to NEED a union. The only people that need unions probably suck at algorithms and think Kubernetes is too hard.&lt;p&gt;Live in emacs or starve is my motto</text></item><item><author>coldpie</author><text>Good news for those 700: because we don&amp;#x27;t have tech worker unions, they are able to individually bargain the terms of their layoff!&lt;p&gt;...right?</text></item></parent_chain></comment><story><title>LinkedIn laying off nearly 700, mostly from core engineering teams</title><url>https://www.cnbc.com/2023/10/16/microsoft-owned-linkedin-lays-off-nearly-700-read-the-memo-here.html</url></story>