<instructions>Your goal is to analyze the following comment and estimate how highly it will be upvoted by the Hacker News community.</instructions><comment><author>moogly</author><text>It could be argued that is not &amp;quot;discoverability&amp;quot;. IMO, that&amp;#x27;s a feature to handle bad discoverability and unintuitive UI.&lt;p&gt;Discoverability is when you can see what&amp;#x2F;how to do something by just looking or clicking around a bit.</text><parent_chain><item><author>Razengan</author><text>&amp;gt; all of their stuff is terrible.&lt;p&gt;As a PC-only user since the days of DOS up till Windows 8, and having used Windows 10 after jumping ship to Macs a few hours ago, macOS has demonstrably more discoverability than Windows.&lt;p&gt;One example: Just click on the Help menu, in any app, and type something like &amp;quot;show&amp;quot; or &amp;quot;find&amp;quot; or any other operation, and it will show you all the menu items which have that word in their name.&lt;p&gt;That feature is a part of the Cocoa subsystem and comes for free with every app, and very handy when you know an app &lt;i&gt;has&lt;/i&gt; a certain feature but you&amp;#x27;re not sure which menu it&amp;#x27;s buried in (like standard operations and filters in different image editing apps.)&lt;p&gt;Also, all the shortcuts and standard menus are the same in every macOS app, and can be discovered&amp;#x2F;modified from System Preferences -&amp;gt; Keyboard, again for any app.&lt;p&gt;Take &amp;quot;Preferences&amp;quot;, which in Windows is sometimes under Edit, Tools, or the app name menu (which imitates macOS.)&lt;p&gt;I could go on and on, but &amp;quot;zero discoverability&amp;quot; is an undeserved hyperbole.</text></item><item><author>jheriko</author><text>i don&amp;#x27;t understand how apple have a reputation for good ui... all of their stuff is terrible.&lt;p&gt;the main problem: zero discoverablity - i need to google how to do things, then get some snotty fanboy answer about how easy and obvious it is, but there is literally no way to infer the functionality from the design.&lt;p&gt;they do love to steal context too... and interrupt your flow...&lt;p&gt;... i could go on and on, but having zero-discoverability is highly unforgivable, its an entire, rock-solid argument on its own.</text></item></parent_chain></comment><story><title>iTunes will never work well</title><url>https://medium.com/@firasd/itunes-will-never-work-well-973674420fa4</url></story>
<instructions>Your goal is to analyze the following comment and estimate how highly it will be upvoted by the Hacker News community.</instructions><comment><author>jheriko</author><text>i would say that i think recent windows 8&amp;#x2F;10 are considerably worse than OS X - they approach iOS levels of undiscoverability.&lt;p&gt;maybe i am overstating it a bit - maybe unforgivable sounds really bad, but what i find it hard to believe that most people couldn&amp;#x27;t trivially improve on the more confusing or poorly implemented UI elements.</text><parent_chain><item><author>Razengan</author><text>&amp;gt; all of their stuff is terrible.&lt;p&gt;As a PC-only user since the days of DOS up till Windows 8, and having used Windows 10 after jumping ship to Macs a few hours ago, macOS has demonstrably more discoverability than Windows.&lt;p&gt;One example: Just click on the Help menu, in any app, and type something like &amp;quot;show&amp;quot; or &amp;quot;find&amp;quot; or any other operation, and it will show you all the menu items which have that word in their name.&lt;p&gt;That feature is a part of the Cocoa subsystem and comes for free with every app, and very handy when you know an app &lt;i&gt;has&lt;/i&gt; a certain feature but you&amp;#x27;re not sure which menu it&amp;#x27;s buried in (like standard operations and filters in different image editing apps.)&lt;p&gt;Also, all the shortcuts and standard menus are the same in every macOS app, and can be discovered&amp;#x2F;modified from System Preferences -&amp;gt; Keyboard, again for any app.&lt;p&gt;Take &amp;quot;Preferences&amp;quot;, which in Windows is sometimes under Edit, Tools, or the app name menu (which imitates macOS.)&lt;p&gt;I could go on and on, but &amp;quot;zero discoverability&amp;quot; is an undeserved hyperbole.</text></item><item><author>jheriko</author><text>i don&amp;#x27;t understand how apple have a reputation for good ui... all of their stuff is terrible.&lt;p&gt;the main problem: zero discoverablity - i need to google how to do things, then get some snotty fanboy answer about how easy and obvious it is, but there is literally no way to infer the functionality from the design.&lt;p&gt;they do love to steal context too... and interrupt your flow...&lt;p&gt;... i could go on and on, but having zero-discoverability is highly unforgivable, its an entire, rock-solid argument on its own.</text></item></parent_chain></comment><story><title>iTunes will never work well</title><url>https://medium.com/@firasd/itunes-will-never-work-well-973674420fa4</url></story>