<instructions>Your goal is to analyze the following comment and estimate how highly it will be upvoted by the Hacker News community.</instructions><comment><author>PragmaticPulp</author><text>I think two things are simultaneously true about no-code apps:&lt;p&gt;1) They really are a fast way to get an MVP that can be shown to investors and customers and even process customer transactions for simple businesses. Many simple businesses don&amp;#x27;t fit into pre-packaged SaaS platforms like Shopify, but don&amp;#x27;t really need a fully custom solution built from the ground up. No-code is good for these.&lt;p&gt;2) No-code quickly hits a wall when things start to get more complex or as the scale grows. At some point, trying to coerce the no-code solution into doing what you need becomes increasingly painful and a custom solution becomes necessary.&lt;p&gt;In reality, I think many small businesses and simple startups are actually a good fit for no-code websites. The Wordpress analogy is a good comparison because we all know how unnecessary it is to write a blogging platform from scratch in 2021 (unless for hobby, of course). Likewise, it&amp;#x27;s going to become silly to write a custom backend and frontend solution for a client whose entire business is basically a couple of web forms and simple workflows.&lt;p&gt;It&amp;#x27;s all about picking the right tool for the job, and no-code tools can be the right tool for many jobs.&lt;p&gt;But they&amp;#x27;re not the right tool for &lt;i&gt;every&lt;/i&gt; job. Knowing the difference is important.</text><parent_chain><item><author>zubairlk</author><text>It seems like all the comments here are from non bubble users.&lt;p&gt;We have worked on over 20 client projects in the past 1.5 years using bubble.&lt;p&gt;Specialising exclusively in bubble now.&lt;p&gt;A way to describe the platform would be WordPress for Web Apps.&lt;p&gt;There was a census recently.
~75% clients are startup&amp;#x2F;MVPs
~25% SME making business tooling&lt;p&gt;Out client portfolio is similar.&lt;p&gt;I&amp;#x27;ve hired fresh graduates in Pakistan, trained them in 2 weeks. And now have them working on a customer production app.&lt;p&gt;I&amp;#x27;ve also taught bubble bootcamps. After 8 weeks of weekly 2 hour zoom sessions, I doubt you&amp;#x27;ll get much progress in a coded bootcamp. But these guys were building their app ideas. All sorts of backgrounds. Accountant. Art student. Podcast editor etc.&lt;p&gt;I have a client who needs a quick 2 week MVP. Done.
I have a client whose 40+ employees use bubble app daily across four counting. Core business tooling.&lt;p&gt;The four pieces needed for a web app are
Design
Logic
Data
Hosting.&lt;p&gt;Bubble combines all that and reduces the barrier to entry.&lt;p&gt;No need to make comments like the famous Dropbox comment. Why not just SSH sftp xyz.&lt;p&gt;NoCode is definitely rising. We have won bids against coding agencies due to cost&amp;#x2F;time. The competing coded agency suggested 3 months. I quoted 2 months.&lt;p&gt;The day rate is somewhat similar. The speed is much faster. Very much needed for MVPs&lt;p&gt;That being said. There are drawbacks. You can throw 30 software engineers and have a system and increase velocity that way. However, bubble&amp;#x2F;NoCode is more suited to small teams (afaict yet)&lt;p&gt;Feel free to ask me anything.&lt;p&gt;Bubble.io coach, bootcamp instructor, agency owner here. Bubble all day every day.&lt;p&gt;Email : hn@azkytech.com</text></item></parent_chain></comment><story><title>No-code startup Bubble raises $100M</title><url>https://www.reuters.com/technology/no-code-startup-bubble-raises-100-mln-in-round-led-by-insight-partners-2021-07-27/</url></story>
<instructions>Your goal is to analyze the following comment and estimate how highly it will be upvoted by the Hacker News community.</instructions><comment><author>knighthack</author><text>&amp;gt; You can throw 30 software engineers and have a system and increase velocity that way.&lt;p&gt;This makes absolutely no sense at all. You obviously have not read _The Mythical Man-Month_, and judging by what you&amp;#x27;ve written I completely doubt the entirety of what you&amp;#x27;ve said.&lt;p&gt;Speed is one thing. The long-term maintainability and usability of a system is another thing altogether. I have serious doubts about this &amp;#x27;no code&amp;#x27; movement.</text><parent_chain><item><author>zubairlk</author><text>It seems like all the comments here are from non bubble users.&lt;p&gt;We have worked on over 20 client projects in the past 1.5 years using bubble.&lt;p&gt;Specialising exclusively in bubble now.&lt;p&gt;A way to describe the platform would be WordPress for Web Apps.&lt;p&gt;There was a census recently.
~75% clients are startup&amp;#x2F;MVPs
~25% SME making business tooling&lt;p&gt;Out client portfolio is similar.&lt;p&gt;I&amp;#x27;ve hired fresh graduates in Pakistan, trained them in 2 weeks. And now have them working on a customer production app.&lt;p&gt;I&amp;#x27;ve also taught bubble bootcamps. After 8 weeks of weekly 2 hour zoom sessions, I doubt you&amp;#x27;ll get much progress in a coded bootcamp. But these guys were building their app ideas. All sorts of backgrounds. Accountant. Art student. Podcast editor etc.&lt;p&gt;I have a client who needs a quick 2 week MVP. Done.
I have a client whose 40+ employees use bubble app daily across four counting. Core business tooling.&lt;p&gt;The four pieces needed for a web app are
Design
Logic
Data
Hosting.&lt;p&gt;Bubble combines all that and reduces the barrier to entry.&lt;p&gt;No need to make comments like the famous Dropbox comment. Why not just SSH sftp xyz.&lt;p&gt;NoCode is definitely rising. We have won bids against coding agencies due to cost&amp;#x2F;time. The competing coded agency suggested 3 months. I quoted 2 months.&lt;p&gt;The day rate is somewhat similar. The speed is much faster. Very much needed for MVPs&lt;p&gt;That being said. There are drawbacks. You can throw 30 software engineers and have a system and increase velocity that way. However, bubble&amp;#x2F;NoCode is more suited to small teams (afaict yet)&lt;p&gt;Feel free to ask me anything.&lt;p&gt;Bubble.io coach, bootcamp instructor, agency owner here. Bubble all day every day.&lt;p&gt;Email : hn@azkytech.com</text></item></parent_chain></comment><story><title>No-code startup Bubble raises $100M</title><url>https://www.reuters.com/technology/no-code-startup-bubble-raises-100-mln-in-round-led-by-insight-partners-2021-07-27/</url></story>