But I'll tell you that if it's their persistent position that they don't want to testify, then we'll go on the record -- now, I'm not going to put them on the witness stand. I don't think it's necessary to do that. I would bring you and the reporters, I will tell you, to the bar. I will swear them in, I will have them sworn in. I will ask you the question whether they're going to testify. I will allow them to speak for themselves on that point, and then we'll decide what we're going to do at that point.
The individual in question is scared to testify.