nanu ca janmottarakālaṃ ghaṭādayo dṛśyante eva kulālādyanapekṣā madhūdakādyarthakriyākāriṇaḥ, tat kathaṃ teṣāṃ janmātiriktaḥ kālo na vidyata ity āha
[The opponent] says: "But jars and similar [things] are indeed seen after their birth performing useful functions like [holding] honey, water, etc., independent of the potter and others; so how can it be said that there is no time [for them] separate from birth?"