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Locations, Sunnydale
"Welcome to Sunnydale" sign.
Return to Sunnydale, Part Two
Valley of the Sun
Sweatydale (by Cordelia)
Southern California, United States
Richard Wilkins (founder and Mayor)
"Sunnydale: come for the food, stay for the dismemberment."
―Alexander Harris[src]
Sunnydale was a small Californian town, inhabited by the Slayer Buffy Summers and the Scooby Gang.
The area of Sunnydale was a concentration of demonic energy, which had its focal point under the Sunnydale High School; this was caused by its being the site of the Hellmouth, a gateway between the Earth and demonic dimensions. A college town, it housed the University of California at Sunnydale.
Sunnydale was destroyed and sank into the earth when a massive fissure opened beneath it. Fortunately for the inhabitants, the preceding sense of unrest on the streets and psychic disturbance in the town had already spurred most of the population to leave.
Prior to Buffy's arrival
Long before humans settled the area, an entrance to the Hellmouth existed at the site of the future town of Sunnydale. In ancient times, the Scythe was used at the site of the Hellmouth "to kill the last pure demon that walked upon the Earth." After this, the scythe was hidden, and its last of the Guardians remained, waiting in a pagan temple that would somehow remain unnoticed for centuries.[1]
Centuries later, Navajo and Chumash peoples lived in this area. One or more groups of monks or friars also settled in this area.[2][3] As in general California history, it can safely be supposed those friars to be Spanish Franciscans, who arrived in California in the late 18th century.[4] In 1812, there was an earthquake in the Sunnydale region that caused a cave-in in which an entire mission was lost; the very existence of the mission was soon forgotten.[3]
Richard Wilkins arrived in California in the late 1800s, looking for gold. He founded Sunnydale (after considering the alternate names "Happydale" and "Sunny Acres") in a demon infested valley after a Navajo Slayer died there.[2] He made a pact with the demons to found a town atop the Hellmouth for them "to feed on", in return for the promise of immortality by becoming a pure demon himself. Wilkins became Mayor of Sunnydale.[5]
In the 1930s, there was at least one more major earthquake in Sunnydale. This caused a cave-in that swallowed up the Master and his lair, as well as the temple on Kingman's Bluff. (The date of this earthquake was given as either 1932 or 1937, although it was possible these were two distinct quakes.)[6][7]
Sometime in the 1980s or 1990s, Richard Wilkins was again elected mayor, now under the name of "Richard Wilkins III", and served more than one term.[5]
By the 1990s, Sunnydale appeared to have become a typical town on the California coast, with a popular mayor, a police force, and a local newspaper (the Sunnydale Press). However, Mayor Wilkins had instructed the police to cover up any supernatural or mysterious violence occurring in the city, and had instructed Principal Snyder to cover up supernatural violence occurring at Sunnydale High.[8][9][10][11]
After Buffy's arrival
A view of the town from Sunnydale Hospital.
In the winter of 1997, Buffy Summers, the active Slayer, moved to 1630 Revello Drive, where she began attending Sunnydale High. There she met new friends, including Willow Rosenberg, Alexander Harris, Cordelia Chase, and Daniel Osbourne, as well as the vampire Angel and her new Watcher, Rupert Giles. This Scooby Gang often hung out at the Bronze, the Espresso Pump coffee house, and the Sun Cinema. Buffy's mother, Joyce, worked in an art gallery in Sunnydale.
During their time in high school, Buffy and her friends fought a number of vampires, most notably the Master, Spike, Drusilla, and (when he had lost his soul) Angel. Another slayer, Faith, arrived during their senior year of high school and lived at the Downtowner Motel until she joined forces with Mayor Wilkins.
In June 1999 Sunnydale High was destroyed in a great conflict that killed Mayor Wilkins and Principal Snyder. The political leaders of the city after this point remain unknown. The police occasionally appeared, but the police chief did not. The Sunnydale Press once had the headline "Mayhem caused. Monsters certainly not involved, officials say",[12] suggesting the police continued covering up supernatural evidence.
In the fall of 1999, Buffy, Willow and Oz began attending UC Sunnydale. There they discovered that the United States Government had been operating a secret military complex, the Initiative, in a cavern beneath the campus. The Initiative was closed down in spring 2000 after a climactic battle with the cyborg Adam. By this time, Tara Maclay and Anya had joined the Scooby Gang. Later this same year, Giles purchased a magic shop named the Magic Box.[13]
During the summer of 2000, the Key, an ancient mystical energy, was transformed into Buffy's younger sister, Dawn Summers. The next year brought the deaths of Joyce Summers and also of Buffy herself, although Buffy was brought back from the grave. After this point, Buffy and Dawn became co-owners of the family house.[14]
In spring 2002, the Magic Box was destroyed in a battle between Willow and Buffy. In the fall of 2002, Sunnydale High was rebuilt, on exactly the same location as before - directly over the Hellmouth. By this time, knowledge of supernatural phenomena seemed to be slowly growing in the town.[12] Sunnydale's population had dropped from 38,500[15][16] to 32,900.[17]
Sunnydale was sucked into the Hellmouth during the battle against the First Evil.
In early 2003, supernatural manifestations at Sunnydale High reached unprecedented levels. Within less than a month, virtually the entire population of the town fled in a mass evacuation.[4][18] Soon thereafter, the cataclysmic showdown between the Scooby Gang and the First Evil resulted in the complete obliteration of the town, which collapsed into a giant pit, closing the entrance to the Hellmouth.[19]
The Scooby Gang and the Slayer army later headed back to Sunnydale, in the hope of recovering the Seed of Wonder, to end all the chaos unleashed upon the world by Buffy and Angel.[20] In the ruins of the town, the Master had been guarding the Seed.[21] Following the destruction of the artifact, Sunnydale received a number of creatures in search for its shards, including Morgan, Pearl, and Nash.[22]
After the supernatural became public knowledge,[23] it became tradition for revelers to party at Sunnydale on Halloween, a "celebration of the occult at the town that proved its existence." Around that same time, Andrew Wells stole the Slayer Handbook and returned to Sunnydale, planning to use the book and the new rules of magic to his advantage to resurrect the late Jonathan Levinson and Tara Maclay in an effort to atone for his past sins; however, his efforts attracted a Soul Glutton.[24]
Sunnydale itself
In the late 1990s, Sunnydale's population was around 38,500,[8][9] with very few high schools (Sunnydale High, Fondren High, Kent Preparatory School, Miss Porter's), forty-three churches,[25] a small private college (Crestwood College), the Sunnydale Zoo, the Sunnydale Natural History Museum, and one modest main street (Maple Court). Even so, it had twelve cemeteries,[26] among them Restifield, Shady Hill, and Sunnydale Cemetery; these cemeteries were so heavily used that services were sometimes held at night.[12]
Sunnydale also contained a campus of the University of California system, as well as a profitable magic supply shop, The Magic Box. The town, or the surrounding area, also included a large park containing a creek and a lake,[12] and one of its cemeteries was shown to be adjacent to a lake.[27]
Sunnydale at night
Sunnydale had a train station (Sunnydale Station), a bus station (Overland Charters), a small airport (Sunnydale Airport), and a small military base.[28]
Downtown Sunnydale
Directly beneath Sunnydale High School was a Hellmouth, a location in which mystical energy converges and in which the walls that separate this world from hell dimensions was particularly thin, attracting demonic creatures and affecting the surrounding areas. This explains why vampires and other demons were so prevalent in the city.
Sunnydale possessed many common horror-movie characteristics, such as an abundance of dark alleyways, abandoned mansions and factories, and an adult population that was either clueless or perpetually in denial, in stark contrast to the demon-fighting, supernaturally aware teens.
By the year 2002, the city's population had fallen to 32,900.[29] In the spring, the town was almost completely evacuated, before its complete destruction.
Sunnydale was a somewhat isolated location. Whenever the city was stricken by a town-wide epidemic — such as the silence spell —,[30] no other towns seemed to be nearby.
The town was situated near several acres of woods and forest, including Miller's Woods. Breaker's Woods was a 45-minute drive from town.[9]
The crater following Sunnydale's destruction in 2003.
Sunnydale was located on or near the Pacific Ocean. An ocean port with several docked ships was nearby (Sunnydale Port). Nearby, Kingman's Bluff stands on a tall cliff overlooking the sea.[7] There was a nearby beach(Sunnydale Beach). There was a hydroelectric dam in the vicinity of Sunnydale.[31]
Within a day's drive of Sunnydale was a desert.[32][33] After its destruction, it was surrounded by desert terrain.[19][34][35]
Maps of Sunnydale
A large map of "Sunnydale County" hangs on the wall of Principal Snyder's office,[36] as well as on the wall of Mayor Wilkins' office.[37] According to this map, Sunnydale was located at a bend on the California coast. To the south and west of Sunnydale was the Pacific Ocean.
Giles used a street map of Sunnydale when he was plotting sightings of the Initiative commandos.[38] A street map of central Sunnydale was used by the Scooby Gang twice in 2002.[18]
Andrew drew a map of Sunnydale to track the First's activities. The general shape of the coastline matched previously used maps. According to Andrew's map, there were woods between Sunnydale and the ocean to the west and to the south, and a dark forest directly southeast of the town, where the coast bends. There were also woods to the east of Sunnydale, as well as railroad tracks.[39]
Series creator Joss Whedon conceived the town as a representation of the typical, anonymous, generic suburban city, as well as a narrative parody of the all-too-serene towns typical in traditional horror movies.
Sunnydale was "located" on the California coast, two hours northwest of Los Angeles. If Sunnydale was to be identified with an actual college town in this region, Santa Barbara (or perhaps San Luis Obispo) would be the logical choice. In Season Three, the mayor's office was shown with a giant map of "Sunnydale County"; this map was an actual map of Santa Barbara County with a new name pasted over it. Many of the long-range outside shots of the town were actually shots of Santa Barbara. These were especially clear in the widescreen versions of seasons four to seven; some of the Spanish-style buildings were obviously in the heart of downtown Santa Barbara to anyone familiar with the city.
In fiction fandom, "Sunnydale Syndrome" is a name given to the semi-common tendency of mundane characters to fail to notice, or to reject as unreal or impossible, the unusual activities taking place under their noses, even when blindingly obvious.[40]
The screen used map was little more than background set dressing and does not even show the street Revello Drive (the street Buffy lived on).
Main article: Buffy the Vampire Slayer filming locations
Various southern California locations were used as stand-ins for Sunnydale:
The exterior shots of Sunnydale High were of Torrance High School in Torrance, California.
The exterior shots and some interior shots of Buffy's home were of an actual home located in Torrance.
The exterior shots of the Mayor's office in season three were filmed in Torrance, California.
Most of the University of California, Sunnydale scenes were filmed at the University of California, Los Angeles, and in a closed sound stage designed to match the UCLA architecture. Some of the later scenes were filmed at a private business park.
The exterior shots of New Sunnydale High were filmed at California State University, Northridge in Northridge, California.
Evidence for a location in the Santa Barbara region
Sunnydale was located on the California coast, about a two-hour drive northwest of Los Angeles. This was indicated by the following:
Buffy had just moved from Los Angeles to a house in Sunnydale, and she complains that she was now "two hours from a Neiman Marcus". This was evidently in reference to the Neiman Marcus store in Beverly Hills.
The characters visited other towns on the central and southern coast of California, including Monterey[41] and Oxnard.[42]
The characters often drove to Los Angeles,[43][44][45] but rarely refer to the San Francisco Bay Area, suggesting that they were much closer to the former than to the latter. Indeed, when the characters visit the Bay Area, it seems to be a more substantial trip. When Giles visits Oakland, he flies by plane,[46] and Gilroy was a significant ride "up north" on a motorcycle.[4]
Sunnydale had been shown on a TV weather map in approximately the same position as Santa Barbara.[47]
The Scooby Gang was attacked by the spirits of Native Americans described as Chumash, a tribe local to Santa Barbara and Ventura counties.[3]
Lilah Morgan refereed to Sunnydale as being "up the coast" from Los Angeles.[48]
Anya stated that the Denny's in Oxnard was exactly half-way between Buffy's and Angel's residences.[49] From the Hyperion Hotel to Oxnard was 59 miles; assuming that Anya was being precise, this would put Sunnydale on the northwest outskirts of Santa Barbara.
Thus, this evidence would place Sunnydale very close to Santa Barbara, California. Since Santa Barbara was never itself been mentioned in the show, it could be surmised that Sunnydale simply was the Santa Barbara of the Buffy universe. Many of the establishing shots of the town were in fact shots of Santa Barbara.
On the other hand, it also was possible that Santa Barbara exists in the Buffy universe, and that Sunnydale was merely located close to it. Joss Whedon stated in November 1998 that "Sunnydale was in fact near Santa Barbara."[50]
Evidence for other locations
There were also a few indications that associate Sunnydale with other California locations:
UC Sunnydale also had a connection to the University of California, Santa Cruz. In several episodes of the fourth season, UC Sunnydale dormitories named Kresge and Stevenson were mentioned. Kresge and Stevenson were names of colleges on the campus of UC Santa Cruz.[51] However, Eve refereed to UC Santa Cruz as her alma mater, so UC Santa Cruz was a distinct school in the Buffy universe.[52][53]
Buffy's home was in the 95037 ZIP Code, according to the text shown in a letter.[31] This was the real life ZIP Code for the city of Morgan Hill, which was situated southwest of San Jose, Santa Clara, and Sunnyvale. However, Giles once mentioned he was taking a flight from Sunnydale to Oakland, which would eliminate that possibility.
Joss Whedon had remarked that originally he loosely based Sunnydale on Monterey, California, but that it was never intended to be an exact parallel.
Connection to Sunnyvale
Sunnydale's name was very close to that of Sunnyvale, a city in California's Silicon Valley. There was some evidence of a Sunnydale–Sunnyvale connection:
In the seventh season, the character Cassie Newton was shown to have created a website. Screenwriter Rebecca Rand Kirshner created an actual website for this character and registered it to "Cassie Newton" at a fake address. The ZIP Code she used was 94086, which was an actual ZIP Code in Sunnyvale.[54]
Sunnyvale borders the city of Santa Clara, California whose name bears a resemblance to Santa Carla, another fictional vampire-infested California coastal town and the setting of the film The Lost Boys, from which the term "vamp out", used often in Buffy and Angel, originates.
However, the geography of Sunnyvale makes it a poor candidate for Sunnydale, since it was located more than 300 miles (480 km) north of Los Angeles.
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Wish"
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↑ Last Gleaming, Part One
↑ Last Gleaming, Part Two
↑ A Dark Place, Part Two
↑ Harmonic Divergence
↑ Return to Sunnydale, Part One
↑ "What's My Line? Part Two"
↑ "Revelations"
↑ "Help"
↑ "Innocence"
↑ "Hush"
↑ 31.0 31.1 "As You Were"
↑ "Intervention"
↑ "The Killer in Me"
↑ The Long Way Home, Part One
↑ Return to Sunnydale, Part Two
↑ "Dead Man's Party"
↑ "Choices"
↑ "Doomed"
↑ "Get It Done"
↑ "Sunnydale Syndrome". TV Tropes. Retrieved December 23, 2017.
↑ "Doppelgangland"
↑ "The Freshman"
↑ "I Will Remember You"
↑ "Sanctuary"
↑ "Orpheus"
↑ "Anne"
↑ "Amends"
↑ "Home"
↑ Reunion
↑ Joss Whedon post on The Bronze posting board, November 22, 1998, archived here.
↑ The horror of it all: Alumna tells tales of vampires, film classes, and a career in television By Barbara McKenna, March 6, 2000, accessed 21-Oct-2012
↑ "Life of the Party"
↑ "Destiny"
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(CBS) — A coach bus for a Gary casino plunged off a bridge Sunday morning.
WBBM's Nancy Harty reports it was about 5:30 a.m. when a bus for Majestic Star Casino went off a bridge near the casino and was left hanging vertically, according to Gary Police Sergeant Tom Decanter.
Decanter did not have a condition for the driver.
The bridge is under construction and police believe the driver may have taken a wrong turn.


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Smee
Posted: Fri Oct 02, 2009 11:28 am Post subject: Trade Windows : Chapter 6
The door closed behind Targh as he seated himself on the cushioned bench. A distinctive click announced it being locked.
Aah, so I'm not completely trusted, Targh thought to himself grimly. He was locked in a small room within the house of an Overseer on a planet some four jumps away from Mart and his transport ship carrying millions of kredits worth of narcotics. And I have a lump the size of a plasma grenade on the back of my head, he thought wryly as he probed it gingerly with his fingertips.
He looked around the room, barely paying attention to the lavish furnishings. A dagger mounted on a metallic board hung from one wall. Targh recognised it as 'The Reflected Blade', once supposedly gifted to the Emperor some five centuries ago. The golden sheath, studded with gems, alone was worth the same as half the shipment that had put him in such trouble. Well half the original value. He didn't want to think about the actual value now its true contents had been discovered.
Targh wondered how Mart was doing? Not knowing the time, he didn't know where Mart was. Perhaps he'd already been caught by CONCORD or any other of the half dozen dire possibilities that flooded Targh's thoughts. What about Mart's family!
With a mental shake, Targh shook such thoughts away. Mart was quite capable, if anyone could get that shipment off the station it was Mart. Besides, he had his own problems to worry about.
He returned to studying the room. A long black tube stood on three legs on a low table in one corner. Gold banded it at either end, and once again in the middle. Targh frowned at it. As a trader he'd studied a wide variety of goods and artifacts, always better to know if something had value or not. But this device he didn't know. He moved up towards it. It seemed old, and fragile. He could see it tapered narrower at the end pointing down. The top had some kind of plastiglass in the end.
"It's a 'telescope'." A voice said from the doorway.
Mart hurried back through the busy station to the docking port thinking about the plan hastily put together between himself and J'iony.
As he'd walked out of the bar with the cocky young capsuleer a few minutes previously he had been pleasantly surprised to witness a change in his new companion. Suddenly the attitude had subsided and he was all business. Perhaps there was something to this Pod training after all.
"Ok, you're going to need distractions at each of the six jumpgates between here and drop off. I have some friends who can meet us along the way who'll I'll call and get set up, and I'll get you through the first jump myself. Once I've lost the 'CORDs I'll meet up with you in Griner, the system before your last jump and we'll be almost there."
"How do you be getting CONCORD to chase you?" Mart asked.
J'iony smiled, and pulled a small vial from his pockets. A thick dark liquid filled it. "Got a pair of tags* inside here. Few things gets them more riled up than a scan of these babies, but they can't normally spot them through the juice." He indicated the dark liquid.
Sure enough, barely visible inside the small bottle, Mart could make out the small metal shapes of the tags submerged in the masking liquid.
"And all your friends do be carrying these too?"
"Most of us Capsuleers carry them around, never know when you might need a distraction."
They'd split up then, J'iony to his own ship and Mart back to the Bestower.
As he clambered through the docking gate into his ship, Mart frowned. The plan was simple, but there seemed a few holes in it. What if all the CONCORD didn't chase J'iony and his friends. What if some stayed behind?
Arriving on his bridge he greeted the crew with a curt nod and sat down in his seat.
"Bring all systems online, prepare for undocking. Seal the cargo, and lock it down. Lay in a course for the first jumpgate, and warm up the warp engines."
A chorus of 'ayes' and 'yes, Sirs' confirmed his orders being carried out and the ship came to life.
"Comm signal coming through."
"ID?" Mart barked.
"Someone calling themselves... 'CORD Bait'."
"Patch them through, main audio."
A few seconds later the speakers came alive with J'iony's voice, sounding as happy as Targh had when back in his ship. "I'm in my pod and ready to fly. You all set?"
"Yes, we're undocking now." Mart replied, getting a nod from his navigation officer. Sure enough a series of heavy vibrations announced the unsealing of the docking clamps and the ship pulled free. With a low buzz of engines the ship slowly started aligning with the jump gate.
"Jump coordinate set, alignment in 15. Destination 47 AU's, ETA 68 seconds." One of the bridge crew announced.
"Ok J'iony, we be ready. We'll be at the gate in 1 minute and counting."
"Understood. I'm on my way. Rapht is standing by at your second jump, he'll be in contact as soon as you're enter the system."
"Establishing warp stream, thrusters to full. Alignment in 5."
Mart sat back in his seat, ready for the gforces of entering a warp stream. The engines opened up in a roar and the ship shuddered forward, gaining speed rapidly. The dim glow from the star lined blackness on the view screwed vanished in a swirl of colours as the ship entered warp. In just over 45 seconds they'd arrive at the hopefully empty Jump gate. Mart muttered a short prayer, both for J'iony, and for Targh.
Targh jumped in surprise, he hadn't heard the lock click back. The Overseer, Jacrim, stood there grinning still, his dark eyes resting on the object. "Apparently our ancestors from before we came to New Eden used it. A primitive device for viewing things at a distance."
Targh glanced at the black tube but felt none the wiser as to how it worked. He looked back at Jacrim as the dark eyes shifted to him.
"I trust you are feeling a little less... fuzzy?"
Targh pondered for a second. He'd barely been alone for more than ten minutes. Clearly the Overseer was impatient for answers. With an inward sigh he resigned himself to some limited cooperation, at least for now. The man had him well and truly cornered.
"Yes, thank you, Overseer. I feel much better."
"Excellent," the smile came back with full power. "Now perhaps we can return to the question I asked you before."
"I'm afraid my answer may not be satisfactory to you, Overseer," Targh began. The dark eyes flickered but he didn't move. "I don't know the name of either my contractor or supplier."
"You must know something! How do you contact them? Where is your drop off?" For the first time some of the calm had left Jacrim's voice.
Targh thought wildly for something to tell him. "They contact me, and the drop off is just a dead zone. Nothing there."
The Overseer's eyes narrowed, but before he could speak, Targh jumped in again.
"There's one thing. The supplier... he goes by the name of 'The Boss'."
Suddenly the Overseer was all smiles again. "Now why didn't you just say so. That makes things much clearer."
Targh masked his confusion. This Overseer knew someone as shady as 'The Boss'!
"And this 'Boss' is supplying the... mining lasers for your deal, is that right?"
The pause before mining lasers had been almost imperceptible, but Targh heard it. He knows about the boosters! he thought to himself. If anyone had the power to get him out of this, it was this Overseer. But could he trust a man who'd had him kidnapped? Already he could hear Mart's voice warning against hasty decisions.
"Yes that's right." He replied.
"Now why would something as harmless as mining lasers require such a strange dropzone?" Jacrim's voice practically oozed confidence now.
For Targh this was the tipping point. His earlier worries for Mart demanded some action, if this Overseer could help then it had to be risked.
"Because they're full of narcotics," Targh said simply. "But then you know that, don't you Overseer."
Any concerns Targh had faded when the man once again smiled. Such a direct accusation as that would have caused any other Overseer to explode with outrage. Clearly he was dealing with a new breed of Overseer.
"Call me Jacrim. And yes, as you so blatantly accuse, I do know. Or at least suspected. Rather a foolhardy thing to say to someone like me though!" One eyebrow raised in contemplation as if seeing Targh for the first time.
Recklessness was flowing through Targh now, and he couldn't hold it back.
"Perhaps, but by the way you 'invited' me here, your questioning, and the Galente slave you have, all point to an Overseer with some... unorthodox views on things. I guessed you might appreciate some bluntness in the interest of saving time."
Targh had watched as the eyebrow had climbed progressively higher with every comment. At mention of the slave it had practically disappeared behind his hairline.
"I see. Perhaps viewing you as just a simple trader was a misjudgement."
A silence descended on the small room like a blanket. Targh waited, his face calm but internal thoughts spinning almost out of control. Had he gone too far?
"OK. Lets have a little more bluntness," Jacrim suddenly declared. "You're up to your neck in trouble you have barely even begun to fathom. Your 'boss' and CONCORD will be all over you if so much as a whiff of those narcotics get noticed. And that's before your unknown contractor gets a hold of you."
Targh nodded along. "You know who my contractor is, don't you?" He asked suddenly.
"I have my suspicions."
Targh knew he wouldn't get more. Unsurprisingly the Overseer's sudden openness had very real limits. But then Targh suddenly fitted another piece into the big picture.
"And you can help me if... ?"
Jacrim smiled. "If you would be willing to break your contract and sell the shipment to me for the original price you agreed. Of course you'd lose your collateral, but the profit is more than enough to not concern yourself with replacing an ageing Bestower and some small hangar, no?"
It was Targh's turn to be shocked. How, by God, did he know about the collateral? Just how much did this Overseer actually know?
Targh already knew he'd have to accept this deal, if only to get off the planet, but was he just spiralling into an even deeper hole? Could he do anything to get some control over the situation again? Maybe even negotiate a little extra for his rough treatment, risk of retribution from 'The Boss' and his contractor, and the loss of the collateral? Thoughts flooded his mind.
* Tags look like typical dog tags as worn by army soldiers. All officers of CONCORD and Naval ships wear tags, identifying their rank. Each tag has electronics inside that stores more data and is also detectable by custom scans at jumpgates. Bounties are offer for tags belonging to an enemy, and there's a lucrative black market trade in them. CONCORD takes great offence when they detect tags come from their own officers, and will usually capture the ship they're found on, confiscate the tags and heavily fine the culprit.
Ok... unknown to Targh, Mart is off on his way to the original drop off point with the cargo. Meanwhile Targh is being offered a possible way out of this. The DP is from Targh's point of view. I'm looking for immediate actions, such as the suggested negotiating for more payment, or even declining the offer if you have a plan for getting away.
And I'm also looking for thoughts on other plans Targh could put in motion once he's back in command of his own ship. Should he contact Mart as soon as possible, what should he say? Maybe even risk contacting 'The Boss' or Contractor and let him know about this development - maybe even earning himself a bonus on top for tipping them off about the Overseer.
All sorts of possibilities, depending on how much you want to risk.
Happy Playing :)
The White Blacksmith
Posted: Fri Oct 02, 2009 11:52 am Post subject:
Take the money, and see if the guy has any more jobs for you in the future. Could be a very useful contact/employer if you're ever in need, and being in his good books can't hurt.
Posted: Fri Oct 02, 2009 4:48 pm Post subject:
I'd agree with Whitey there. Always try and get on the good side of the guys with the large ships with guns.
Crunchyfrog
Hurrah! A new chapter!
It might be useful at this stage to put in some kind of synopsis - just a couple of para's reminding us who's who, and what's happened so far. I have vague recollections but can't remember all the details without going to read through all the chapters again, and it is difficult enough when unfamilliar with the EVE universe.
It might also help those who are new to Trade Windows to jump right in. :)
On to the DP, and I have two suggestions, one sensible, one reckless.
Sensible suggestion first:
It sounds very much like the Overseer knows more than he's letting on. I'll bet he knows who the contractor and the 'boss' is, how else would he know about the collateral?
I think Targh's biggest worry is whether after he accepts the deal he is seen as 'surplus to requirements,' or even a potential threat... not just because the Overseer might be up to no good with the narcotics, but also because the Overseer has an illegal slave in his house.
The problem is, Targh has no idea where Mart is at the moment so he can't even keep his side of the bargain.
I would say play dumb at this point, and agree in principle to the deal, and explain that he doesn't know what has become of his cargo. This might help him find out how many strings the Overseer really is pulling.
Reckless suggestion:
The mention of that dagger on the wall was so pointed (pardon the pun) that I just simply cannot ignore it. So here's an alternative suggestion from me - tell him to throw in the dagger as well, and he has a deal. :D
There ya go!
Thanks Crunchy.
There is a synopsis already but perhaps the title doesn't point that out clear enough for past players.
Ah. Ahaha! Just testing you of course. Ahem. *whistles* :D
Location: Rising from the ashes
Smee, you are an excellent writer of thick Sci-fi. I loved the pod sequence and the whole concept of being that 'in touch' with your ship. I would ask, however, that you go into some descriptive details about things, throughout the story, assuming that we know pretty much nothing (which we don't) about the setting. You've done this at times... I'd just maybe like a little bit more of it. But yeah, this Eve universe has slowly become a little more real to me. Some description of the races rather than just names and politics would be good.
As for the plot... I was lost a little in the middle, but I'm beginning to find my way now. What I don't understand (though can appreciate the stressful feeling it creates for the reader) is why Mart (who's speech pattern suddenly became unique and recognizable in the chapter before) actually left without locating Targh first. Wouldn't they have wanted to at least discuss the plan out before leaving?!? How did he come to assume that he wouldn't find Targh?
Anyhow, I think Targh needs to confer with his partners on this decision. Tell the Overseer that his offer is fair and is being taken into the highest of considerations but that he is not the only decision maker that must be consulted. He must be returned to the port so he can speak with Mart. Of course, little would Targh know that Mart has left already...
By the way, just for clarity's sake, what exactly does he have to gain and or lose by accepting this deal? I sense there's more to this decision that politics I'm not fully aware of would suggest. Obviously, if he says no, he's pretty much not leaving, right? So as I see it, the answer's either Yes, Negotiate for room to make a decision, or 'Fine, I'll stay here as a captive until we can sort something out.' Is that about right?
Hey TB,
Very glad you caught up, as that was an excellent comment with many useful points.
Description I can certainly do more of, I shall look to get more in. It's always a balancing act between description and action, and given we haven't really had much in the way of actual action (mainly just dialogue) I've been hesitant to add lengthy descriptions too.
I'll see what I can do about describing the races a bit more too but it's tricky. Aside from Mart, who's a Caldari, (and I'm glad his accent came through eventually, I didn't want anything too thick, just a little) and the illegal Galente slave, everyone is pretty much an Amarrian.
For each of the 4 races, there's 3 separate bloodlines and 3 more families within each bloodline. Each has a unique, and general look to them. 36 is clearly too many to go into detail on. Even just the 6 for the Amarr would probably be fairly distracting to add in such short chapters.
In general, the EvE universe, and it's lore is almost too vast - including large portions I don't know myself. Trying to dig out enough of it to make the story understandable without completely swamping the story with excess is proving tricky. For example, the next chapter we'll be viewing our first jumpgate when Mart gets there. I remember reading a 3000+ word article just on the discovery, invention and progression of the jumpgates history, how they work etc. It's all fascinating and very well written, but how much of that detail really needs to be included. Back to the balancing act.
I'm going to have to rely on you guys to push and pull me one way or the other as necessary. For now, consider me pushed towards the more detail side. We'll see how we go. :D
Mart didn't leave without Targh straight away. In the early part of chapter 5 there was the section where he tried to retrace Targh's steps, only to find no trace. Given the limited time his excuse of repairing the ship afforded him, he just didn't have time to keep looking without having some plan for leaving the station. Which J'iony has now provided.
As for the Overseer's offer, if he accepts :
To gain :
- A way off the Overseer's planet, and hopefully back into his own ship.
- A way to hopefully sell the illegal merchandise and get them off his hands without having to risk moving them himself
- A chance to contact Mart.
To lose :
- Goodwill from the Boss, and his original contactor. They likely went to a lot of trouble to acquire the narcotics and will be very unhappy to discover them sold to someone else.
- This will likely mean no more trading any where in this region, unless the Overseer intends at some point to offer some kind of protection.
- His collateral.
If he doesn't accept - then the result will be pretty much the direct opposite of all of the above.
Thanks again for your comment, TB. It was great.
This is a short, 5 minute film that plays when you first enter the EvE game.
It explains how the EvE universe came about and roughly how things stand within the time of Trade Windows.
It may help some of the little things mentioned in the chapters make a bit more sense.
Posted: Sun Oct 04, 2009 12:34 pm Post subject:
That WAS informative and very interesting. I'd never heard of this before.
Ok, in reply to some of your comments:
Quote:	we haven't really had much in the way of actual action (mainly just dialogue)
I read in a book (about writing) recently that readers can actually percieve dialogue AS action. In a sense, I think the author was correct. He warns not to overdo it though, as it can, like any overuse of action, be a little mind-numbing after a while. I haven't felt a lack of action in this text, and probably for that reason, its largely devoted to dialogue and activity.
Being new to this world makes me curious about small details though, so an occasional interlude to detail a currently pertinent aspect about the world is not such a bad thing. As I said, you've done this in places. I guess I'm just expressing more curiosity still.
After having watched the clip, I see what you mean about the races... basically all human offshoots, severed from the original colonies that spread from Earth. I wasn't sure, since we're talking about space here, if they were even remotely human! Since it wasn't stated, I figured that was the default assumption but confirmation is a good thing.
Anyhow, thanks for the detailed response Smee! Now that I can see the root origin setting a littel clearer, I can see the difficulty involved. It's almost always more difficult to explain a world you're working in that's pre-designed because once you've come to understand it, its hard to figure out what others can infer and what they can't. When you've made your own setting, its a little easier because somehow you recognize on a deeper level that your audience really knows nothing about your setting until you tell them. You're doing well so far though... just keep feedin' us!
So, in response to the clarification on the DP... I don't suppose my suggestion would work eh? But perhaps he could explain that Mart would be likely to leave without him to deliver the goods whether he's there or not and it's quite possible he already has so if he doesn't get back, he can't give an informed answer to the Overseer's demand... er... request. I don't think he should work with the overseer, for the main reason that it would impede his further career. But he's going to have to cleverly figure out how to make both parties happy... Does he know of any other sources for his present cargo? Could he arrange a separate shipment in a secretive manner so he could pretend to be carrying through on both arrangements?
That clip was helpful - thanks! :)
Your idea for trying to arrange another supplier to keep both parties happy is excellent, and if a shipment of actual mining lasers would keep the original contractor happy then it could well be the solution.
The problem is, we don't know if they're in on it or not.
If they're genuinely just expecting lasers, then it suggests this is the 'Boss' using the contract as an excuse to make us move his narcotics and chances are he'll be along to take them back as soon as Mart makes it to a lower security system.
If however, it's all a plan to get the narcotics to the original contractor then sourcing some more lasers won't help.
As for getting a hold of another shipment of boosters and Crash - almost no chance. Targh doesn't have those kind of contacts or cash to buy.
Out the box thinking though!
I'll bet his brother could hook him up with more lasers ;) Maybe even used ones...
I had a different speculation about the Overseer. His confidence seem a little overstated, enough so that even the relatively naive Targh notices:
Quote:	Suddenly the Overseer was all smiles again. "Now why didn't you just say so. That makes things much clearer."
So if I follow this hypothesis, I could suppose that the Overseer is either so desperate that he doesn't care if anyone knows he is bluffing-- or, more likely, the Overseer is counting on Targh calling his bluff. The Overseer is like a card player who has a royal flush but doesn't want the other players to fold before they've placed their bets.
Of course, there is a lot of wiggle room in the Overseer's original off-the-record explanation. We have no idea what Targh heard in that original conversation.
I also thought that the pointed mention of the dagger was interesting. Why would Targh be familiar with a unique and possible obscure ceremonial dagger? What does it mean that he knows this? Does he have royal connections of his own? Has he had dealings with the Overseer before?
So what are my conclusions about the decision point?
Targh is outclassed and outgunned. He probably couldn't best the Overseer in hand-to-hand combat, let alone stage any kind of battle. The best Targh can hope for is to somehow boost the confidence of the Overseer so that he will no longer perceive Targh as threatening.
It's funny but when CrunchFrog said "tell him to throw in the dagger", I initially read that as a suggestion for violence. But when I actually considered it, a physical attack sounds ridiculous enough make the Overseer sneer but yet be plausable as a desperate measure.
So I say Targh tries to grab the precious dagger from the wall and (attempt to) stab the Overseer with it. He will be thwarted, of course. It will be perceived as desperate and foolhardy and will give Targh some wiggle room.
How's that for a wild idea?
Javert
Location: AMERICA
Good work! I just spent the last hour reading what you've got, and let me add my congratulations to the rest of your glory, laud and honor There's obviously something happening behind this prose.
Regarding the DP, I back up much of what has been said. However, I do disagree on one point--taking the risk of beefing up your side of the bargain. In any bargain, you need to be able to convince the other party that you don't need what they're offering, but in this case it seems pretty clear to me that Targh has no real platform to stand on. There is nothing that he can do to stop the Overseer to hold him there until he agrees to Jacrim's terms.
Add to this the fact that this Overseer is able to launch a successful strike at a random location with complete secrecy, and it seems that he holds a great deal of power. Plus he seems to have a large network of eyes and ears. Of course, he could be bluffing, but his power alone makes him a formidable opponent.
I would suggest that Targh try to stay under the radar--accept the deal, be as courteous and nice as possible, agree to any small favors he might ask, and then leave as quickly as possible. This will jeopardize his relations in his current arena of trading, but pitting the perceived strength of 'The Boss' against the Overseer it's obvious which one you would least like to irritate.
Some great comments from new players. Wonderful to have you on board. :D
A poll will be created in a day or two, so last thoughts and ideas get them in now
A thought, by me
How do we know the overseer and 'The Boss' aren't working together? It would explain why the overseer knows so much about this, and would mean it's not a great idea to accept - just shows how fickle his interests are, and makes him a danger because he would give evidence to the authorities were the price right. If they're working together, it would make sense because we know that both of them are involved in a bit of law-fussing - the Gallente slave on the overseer's part, and the boosters on the part of the boss.
With this in mind, I say he demand to know the Overseer's source of info. Hint, if he can, that he suspects they're working together, and that if there's still a chance of the contract going through, he's not going to betray it easily.
Posted: Mon Oct 19, 2009 11:49 pm Post subject:
Ok... trying to piece together a poll.
Quote:	As a trader he'd studied a wide variety of goods and artifacts, always better to know if something had value or not. But this device he didn't know.
The above quote from the chapter I think goes some way to explaining Targh's knowledge of the dagger that Zeke queried.
> Accept the offer, in the hope there may also be more work in the future
> Sort of accept the offer, but admit to Mart probably moving the cargo by now.
> Accept the offer in a bid to stay under the radar. Complete the contract and get far away from the Overseer.
> Negotiate the dagger as additional payment.
> Insist on discussing the offer with his partner.
> Attempt to seize the dagger and stab the Overseer!
> Suspect the Overseer and Boss are working together and demand more information on how the Overseer knows so much.
I think that covers all suggestions... a nice variety there folks, thanks :D
Get your votes in - poll appearing presently
I was thinking Whitey might be right on this... about the overseer working with the boss...
Which is why I thought it was important to try to make it appear that he's delivering to both of them... let them sort out the mess! (I'd split the contraband cargo equally). For this plan, I suppose the second option seems to be the closest.
Zeke, I like what you're thinking. I never thought of attacking the Overseer with the dagger. But looking up and down the options and trying to figure out which puts him in the best position, none seem great - he'll be in a sticky situation, sooner or later.
Targh has something the Overseer wants. He can afford to get a little violent. It might open up for more negotiations and clear the air a little.
Attack! Attack!
(...and voted. :D )
I must admit... I liked that option too... just figured it could lead to some REALLY negative results...
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scissorkitty
Location: Escaping the Hair Lair
Posted: Thu Oct 22, 2009 5:38 am Post subject:
phew! This is getting complicated! I love how intertwined this is all getting, Smee. Very fun!! Hmm. I had a very hard time deciding, but I went with "talking with partner", as maybe he can get some sort of rescue from Mart, as well as update his about the possible loss of the Bestower, and send the low-down about the creepy Overseer.
(edit 'cause i apparently can't spell at night. whoops!)
Posted: Tue Oct 27, 2009 12:48 am Post subject:
Another day or two to vote folks... there's a tie at the moment, but I'll combine them unless someone comes along to mix things up.
Right then my lovely bunch of bloodthirsty stabbers. Poll is closed.
We'll be out to get some more information, and attempting to grab the dagger and stab our captor.
Expect a chapter some time soon. :-D
Location: The land of possibilty
Posted: Fri Oct 30, 2009 9:15 am Post subject:
I see I came to late to contribute to the poll. With a tie however inbetween suspecting the Overseer and Boss as working togther (and hinting to as much) and attacking the Overseer...the next chapter should prove to be very interesting to say the least. I'll be waiting to see what happens next.
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Patrick Armstrong reviews the latest events in his DECEMBER 05, 2014 RUSSIAN FEDERATION SITREP http://www.russiaotherpointsofview.com/2014/12/ru.html#more
Besides front-page news of Ferguson-style racial riots and police raids in dozens of American cities, the highlight of my US tour was the first "Doing Business with the Eurasian Union" conference in Washington which lasted the whole day of December 8 on the premises of the Russian Trade Mission and the Russian Cultural Center.
In spite of US sanctions against Russia, the conference was well attended. The participants I talked were convinced that the sanctions are counterproductive to the aim of making Russia comply with US geopolitical demands that threaten the security of her borders. Gerry Janco, president of the Eurasia Center , said he was pleased with the good turn-out and vibrancy of discussions.
This event came on top of Energy Resource Development Conference on December 1, sponsored by The American Institute of Energy Efficiency in cooperation with the Embassy of Russian Federation. It focused on a global outlook for energy development, logistics and transportation issues between US and Russia. I was unable to attend but Earl Rasmussen, one of the organizers, told me it too was a success.
RAGA's task of providing varied, objective and dependable info about US-Russia relations became easier with the advent of Russia-Insider. RAGA Newsletter readers are well informed of the recent escalation of anti-Russian rhetoric in both US Senate and House of Representatives. But Russia-Insider reminds that "A recent study titled Putin 2000 – 2014, Midterm Interim Results by Awara Group, a Russia-based consulting firm, shows that Russia's economy is not as dependent on oil and gas as is commonly claimed."
The author of the report, Jon Hellevig, a Finnish businessman working in Moscow, points out that <<Far from "relying" on oil & gas, the Russian government is engaged in massive investments in all sectors of the economy, biggest investments going to aviation, shipbuilding, manufacturing of high-value machinery and technological equipment. Totally contrary to these facts the Western media, financial analysts and even heads the U.S. President Obama keep parroting the charade that "Russia only relies on oil and gas" and "Russia does not produce anything". Clearly, Barack Obama has not been analyzing the Russian economy, so this must mean that those whose job it is to do it are misleading the President>>.
In short, the AWARA report corroborates the consensus of the two Business conferences in Washington that Russia's economy is a lot more resilient than what the instigators of sanctions had assumed. http://russia-insider.com/en/2014/12/13/1709…
We do not wish to whitewash the situation in Russia and welcome observations divergent from our authors. RAGA realizes that honest people may come to different conclusions while visiting or working in Russia. Here is an example of a less than rosy view a by Robert Skidelsky, an UK Valdai conference participant.
http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/2014/11/putin-not-russia-kremlin-s-view-events-ukraine
But we also like our American dissidents challenge US government and media establishment. One of them is Patrick Buchanan, a stalwart of antiwar American conservatives. Read "A Russophobic Rant From Congress" by Patrick J. Buchanan -- Antiwar.com.
"Hopefully, Russians realize that our House of Representatives often passes thunderous resolutions to pander to special interests, which have no bearing on the thinking or actions of the U.S. government. Last week, the House passed such a resolution 411-10. As ex-Rep. Ron Paul writes, House Resolution 758 is so "full of war propaganda that it rivals the rhetoric from the chilliest era of the Cold War."H. R. 758 is a Russophobic rant full of falsehoods and steeped in superpower hypocrisy." Read more: http://original.antiwar.com/buchanan/2014/12/08/a-russophobic-rant-from-congress/
Actually, the roots of russophobia in the US go deeper than the end of the Cold War. As early as 1959 US Congress adopted the Captive Nations Resolution (PUBLIC LAW 86-90) blaming the Russian people for all crimes committed by Communist regimes.
http://web.archive.org/web/20050205051751/http://russian-americans.org/CRA_Art_Captive.htm
Doug Bandow of the Libertarian CATO Institute writes in Forbes 12/01/2014 that in "The Battle For Ukraine: U.S. And Russia Must Find An Exit If Not Stage A Reset"
http://www.forbes.com/sies/dougbandow/2014/12/01/the-battle-for-ukraine-u-s-and-russia-must-find-an-exit-if-not-stage-a-reset/
Ted Galen Carpenter, also of CATO Institute, is convinced that "The US Needs To Recognize Russia's Monroe Doctrine",
http://www.russiaotherpointsofview.com/2014/12/the-us-needs-to-recognize-russias-monroe-doctrine.html#more
Jacob Hornberger of The Future of Freedom Foundation in his November 18, 2014 article "THE UNITED STATES LOST THE COLD WAR" describes the negative DOMESTIC ramification of US aggressive foreign policy:
<<The national-security state has destroyed individual conscience in America, at least insofar as its operations are concerned. Every Sunday Americans go to church and then submissively defer to whatever Caesar does to foreigners the rest of the week. Sanctions, embargoes, coups, partnerships with dictatorial regimes, foreign aid, invasions, occupations, wars of aggression, assassinations, torture, kidnapping, detentions. People automatically support it all, without contemplating the rightness or wrongness of it. Anyone who questions or challenges what the national-security state is doing to people overseas is considered suspect, disloyal, un-American, just like dissidents in the Soviet Union were considered.>>
http://fff.org/2014/11/18/united-states-lost-cold-war/
"Does the U.S. Need a New Approach to Putin?" asks JOHN GUIDA in his DECEMBER 12, 2014 article. He lets Shlomo Ben-Ami, a former Israeli foreign minister, answer: "Russia must pursue and develop its unique identity – with Putin leading the way. Securing a place for Russia in a new world order is integral to establishing such an identity."
http://op-talk.blogs.nytimes.com/2014/12/12/does-the-u-s-need-a-new-approach-to-putin/?partner=rss&_r=0&emc=rss
Professor Nicolai Petro of Rhode Island University and my former colleague at Monterey Institute of International Studies in his article "The Real War in Ukraine: The Battle over Ukrainian Identity" published both in The National Interest and Kyiv Post, December 4, 2014, points to the very essence of the conflict by allying himself with people who ought to know:
<<I quite agree with Jack Matlock, our first ambassador to Russia, with Tony Brenton, Britain's former ambassador to Russia, with Chris Westdal, Canada's former ambassador to Russia and Ukraine, and former German chancellors Gerhard Schroeder and Helmut Schmidt, and Vaclav Klaus, former president of Czech republic>> that <<The conflict in Ukraine is a conflict among indigenous communities that have very different ideas of what it means to be Ukrainian. It is a war over Ukrainian identity. For the Westernmost regions (Galicia), being Ukrainian means suppressing Russian culture so that Ukrainian culture can thrive in its stead. Here, creating a Ukraine that is antithetical to Russia is commonly referred to as making a "civilizational choice" in favor of Europe. For the eight Russophone regions of eastern and southern Ukraine.. being Ukrainian means being a distinct nation that is still very close to Russia. These Ukrainians do not wish to join Russia, but neither do they wish to be forced to forsake Russian culture in order to be considered loyal Ukrainians.>>
http://nationalinterest.org/feature/the-real-war-ukraine-the-battle-over-ukrainian-identity-11782
Nation editor and publisher Katrina vanden Heuvel proposes Rethinking the cost of Western intervention in Ukraine and argues that "The United States needs a sober look at the actual costs of supposed good intentions divorced from realism...It is a measure of how extreme the prevailing political-media narrative on Ukraine is that Kissinger now sounds like a dissident. He is urging prudence as opposed to the liberal-neocon interventionists. The United States should want Ukraine to retain its independence and to be able to make its own choices on how it runs its economy. But before Washington further escalates the crisis there and ramps up a new Cold War, it needs to understand both the limits of our power and the horrific humanitarian costs of ignoring those limits."
Many around the world were shocked when the US, Canada, and Ukraine voted against a Russian proposed UN resolution condemning the heroization of Nazism. Is this an attempt to whitewash fascism, or merely a desperate maneuver to protect the Kiev regime? Watch Peter Lavelle CrossTalking with Dmitry Babich, Alexander Mercouris and Nebojsa Malic.
See also http://rt.com/shows/crosstalk/208819-us-kiev-voting-russia/
Distinguished authors respond to RAGA associate Gilbert Doctorow's question "Now is the time to find a way out of the East-West confrontation: will Europe or Washington lead the way?"
http://us-russia.org/2807-now-is-the-time-to-find-a-way-out-of-the-east-west-confrontation-will-europe-or-washington-lead-the-way.html
My own "The Folly Of The New Cold War" is now republished by Eurasia Review
http://newsle.com/article/0/195982343/
Challenging the authors of Costs of a New Cold War: The US-Russia Confrontation over Ukraine, I argue that the current US hostility toward Russia is not a return to the old Cold War, but an escalation of the New Cold War that has began as soon as post-Yeltsin Russia refused to follow the US Neo-Liberal diktat. In a quest for uni-polar hegemony, this New Cold War conflates the Crusade against Muslim "terrorists" with a Crusade against secular, but a re-born Christian Russia where freedom of religion reigns supreme.
http://www.raga.org/news/the-folly-of-the-new-cold-war-by-vladislav-krasnov
Today Russia is NOT reverting to Soviet empire. No, the New Russia has been asserting itself as a nation state which has thrown off the yoke of Communism and therefore feels stronger, prouder and more unified in body and spirit than ever under the USSR. The New Russia has its share of problems, those inherited from the USSR (such as the weakness of civil society, excessive reliance on the "vertical of power") and those resulting from US-sponsored Neo-Lib reforms (capital flight, oligarchic monopolies, corruption, and consumerism). However, Putin's Russia has been making big strides in balancing various interests to create a positive vector of development.
The Business conference in Washington has symbolically reaffirmed that we are indeed dealing with a new Russia. On the premises of Russian Trade Mission in Washington it honored the memory of Arcadi Berdichevsky, a Soviet Trade representative in the UK during the 1920s, who was later arrested on trumped up charges and executed while serving in a Vorkuta GULAG. Berdichevsky's son, Jon Utley, an American businessman, publisher of The American Conservative magazine and my personal friend, received "Star of Excellence" award of The Eurasia Center of Washington. As RAGA president I was instrumental in obtaining Berdichevsky's file from the FSB archives from which the secrets of his trial and execution in Stalin's purges were learned.
See Jon Utley tell his story, "Vorkuta to Perm: Russia's Concentration Camp Museums and my Father's Story", documentary can be seen at http://www.FredaUtley.com.
RAGA says about Jon Basil Utley."He is One of Us" (Memoirs of Two Trips to Russia) A Tribute by W. George Krasnow at Jon's birthday party in Washington on March 12, 2014
http://www.raga.org/news/john-basil-utley-at-80-he-is-one-of-us-memoirs-of-two-trips-to-russia
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Below see attachment of four pictures from of Doing Business with the Eurasian Union conference in Washington. The 4th depicts Jon Utley flanked by Igor Danchenko, Energy Analyst formerly with The Brookings Institution and myself. Both Danchenko and myself are natives of Perm which Jon Utley visited when we filmed his father's story. The Golden Gate Bridge in SF (is just across from Russia).
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The Solicitors Regulation Authority's recent report Walking the line: the balancing of duties in litigation raises concerns about solicitors and their engagement in improper or abusive litigation on their clients' behalf. We look at the circumstances in which the courts will award indemnity costs.
The Solicitors Regulation Authority's (SRA) recent report Walking the line: the balancing of duties in litigation raises concerns about solicitors and their engagement in improper or abusive litigation on their clients' behalf. The new proportionality costs test means that a defendant who successfully survives such an action may not be able to recover more than a fraction of their costs unless they persuade the court to award them costs on the indemnity basis. It will come as no surprise therefore that applications for indemnity costs are becoming more frequent. What is perhaps more surprising is the readiness with which judges are granting these applications. We look at some of the circumstances in which a litigant can realistically hope to get an order for indemnity costs.
Indemnity costs – the test
The case most often referred to is Excelsior Commercial & Industrial Holdings Ltd v Salisbury Hammer Aspden and Johnson (2002). The Court of Appeal said that indemnity costs should only be awarded where the case is "outside the norm". Before the introduction of the Civil Procedure Rules, the courts had required conduct meriting moral condemnation before they would make such an order but this is no longer the case. The purpose of the order is not to punish the paying party for its conduct but to provide the receiving party with a more generous measure of recoverable costs.
Any dishonesty or lack of integrity in the formulation of the claim or the conduct of the litigation will make an order for indemnity costs highly likely but orders have been made in a wide range of circumstances not involving morally reprehensible conduct.
Excessive litigation
Many of the examples of unacceptable conduct referred to in the SRA report involve the solicitor unduly prioritising the client's interest over their other duties. One example given is "excessive litigation, where the solicitor fails to consider their other duties when following a client's wish to pursue aggressive and, in particular, speculative litigation".
This is not a new problem. Back in 2006 in the Three Rivers litigation, Tomlinson J gave examples of circumstances which would take a case out of the norm. These included pursuing serious and wide-ranging allegations of dishonesty or impropriety and/or a weak claim irreconcilable with the contemporaneous documents. Litigation calculated to exert commercial pressure on a defendant will usually justify an order for indemnity costs. The characteristics of excessive litigation often include a constantly changing case, grossly exaggerated quantum, the pursuit of all issues to the bitter end and no regard for proportionality.
Perhaps the most outrageous example in recent months has been that of Excalibur Ventures LLC v Texas Keystone Inc. As the judge put it, the claim was pursued as if it were an act of war. The claimant's solicitors participated in this enterprise with correspondence that was highly aggressive and on occasion included unacceptable content such as ill-founded allegations of criminal conduct. The judge warned that parties whose solicitors engage in this type of behaviour should not be surprised if they end up paying the costs on the indemnity basis.
Pursuing a hopeless case
In Noorani v Calver the judge said that the pursuit of a hopeless claim (or a claim which the party pursuing it should have realised was hopeless) could justify an indemnity costs order. This need not be accompanied by any of the other factors listed above, although it often will be. This could be of particular relevance where claims without any merit are persisted in unreasonably by litigants in person.
Misleading the court
The SRA report also records an increase in reports of solicitors misleading the court, where the solicitor knowingly or recklessly gives false information to the court or permits it to be given. This will usually be in witness statements or statements of case. The same effect can be sought by withholding relevant documents. Boreh v Republic of Djibouti is a recent illustration of a solicitor deliberately misleading the court in the context of an application for a freezing injunction.
In ZYX Music GmbH v King, the judge found serious abuses of the witness statement procedure. He said that the primary responsibility to prevent abuse must lie with each party's solicitors but that it was impossible to determine whether the solicitors were in default or the extent of default, because that was not in issue at the trial and the solicitors had not given evidence, and because of client privilege. For these reasons, the court will rarely be able to distinguish between the conduct of the party and their legal representatives and will apply the relevant sanction, usually indemnity costs, to the party.
Failure to accept a settlement offer
In 2002 the Court of Appeal in Kiam II v MGN Ltd (No 2) said that it would be "a rare case indeed" where the refusal of a settlement offer would attract an order for indemnity costs. Conduct would have to be "unreasonable to a high degree" to justify such an order.
The introduction of the Jackson reforms in April 2013 and the increased focus on proportionate costs in the overriding objective is changing the court's attitude to parties who fail to settle. The court will have regard to the parties' conduct when exercising the general costs discretion under CPR 44.2 irrespective of whether or not CPR 36 is engaged.
Indemnity costs were ordered in Walter Lilly & Company Limited v Mackay against an unsuccessful defendant who had unreasonably failed to accept a Part 36 offer withdrawn a week before trial. An unreasonable refusal to mediate may also result in an order for indemnity costs (see Garritt-Critchley v Ronnan).
In Igloo Regeneration (GP) Ltd v Powell Williams Partnership the judge considered the claimants' decision to reject an offer at a level they themselves had put forward just a matter of days before to be unjustifiable conduct. Parties, and not only the court, now have to consider the impact of costs under the overriding objective. An enormous amount of time, cost and court resource was wasted as a result of the claimants' behaviour. They were ordered to pay the successful defendant's costs on the indemnity basis from shortly after the relevant offer.
An order for indemnity costs can now, almost literally, be described as worth its weight in gold. Where a claim is pursued successfully to trial, the claimant's unrecoverable costs following assessment under the new proportionality test may exceed the claim. Where a claim is defeated, the defendant's unrecoverable costs are likely to be significant. An order for indemnity costs is the only satisfactory outcome for the successful party in those circumstances.
The courts' reluctance to make orders for indemnity costs in the absence of extreme or morally reprehensible behaviour is much less evident. The only fair way of sharing the courts' resources and of achieving a fair outcome for the successful party may prove to be an order for indemnity costs. There is no longer an unfettered right to pursue a good case to trial. If a claimant could and should have settled at an earlier stage in the proceedings and ultimately fails to win, they may now find themselves on the receiving end of what used to be a sanction reserved for conduct falling outside the norm.
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