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Voluntary liquidation: An almost irreversible procedure
Kimberly K. Crabbe-Adams
Can a company that has been voluntarily wound up be restored to good standing on an application by a former shareholder, liquidator, or director, who has a change of heart as regards the company's liquidation? The answer to this question, an issue which presents itself from time to time, has now been reaffirmed, following the recent High Court decision[i] (the decision in the Four), which confirmed the BVI position as established in the case of Dedyson Enterprises Ltd v Registrar of Corporate Affairs (BVIHCM 2011/0008) and confirmed in Yeung Kwok Mung v The Attorney General and the Financial Services Commission (BVIHCM 2011/0002).
The claims, the subject of the decision in the Four, were brought by the former liquidator of four BVI companies: Brilliant Era Limited; Elite Source Ltd; Korri Capital Ltd; and Careland International Ltd (the Companies). The rationale behind seeking restoration of the Companies was twofold. Firstly, it would allow listing requirements to be fulfilled, and secondly, restoration would show a longer track record and allow the history and the structure of the group of companies to be reflected more accurately – than if new companies were incorporated.
The Companies, if restored, were then to be listed on the Hong Kong Stock Exchange, as it had, in the former shareholders' opinions, the geographical advantage of being close to Careland Shenzhen, which was located in Shenzhen, China, and which was originally held in the corporate structure, by Careland International Ltd, one of the Four.
Voluntary liquidation generally
Part XII of the BVI Business Companies Act 2004 (BCA), provides the regime under which solvent companies may be voluntarily liquidated. In order to satisfy the threshold established in Part XII, a company must first either be able to demonstrate that it has no liabilities, or that it is able to pay its debts as they fall due and that the value of its assets exceeds or is equal to its liabilities.
Once the threshold is satisfied, if it is determined that a voluntary liquidator should be appointed to wind up the company, various other requirements must be satisfied. For instance, the directors of the company are obliged to make a declaration of solvency, and approve a liquidation plan. In essence then, the process is a very involved one where calculated decisions must be taken if the end result is to be a voluntary winder.
If it is determined that a company that has been voluntarily liquidated should be restored, such a company can only be restored if, at the very least: the applicant nominates a person to act as liquidator of the company once it is restored; the person so appointed is eligible and has consented to act as liquidator once the company is restored; and satisfactory provision is made for the expenses and remuneration of the liquidator on restoration[ii].
Key Dedyson and Yeung Kwok principles and their consideration in the Four
Very early in the Judgment given in respect of the Four, it was determined that on the basis of a failure to provide for the expenses and remuneration of the liquidator on restoration (limb three of the section 218A(2) test), the application could not succeed. The Court nevertheless went on to consider the merits of the applications before it as well as the objections raised by Counsel for the Defendant. While the Claimant in each case was a different person, they all shared a common defendant.
A number of substantive objections were raised by Counsel for the Defendant. She observed that the companies did not appear to have any assets, nor in any case did it appear on the evidence that there was at least one creditor seeking to bring a claim. Furthermore, there was no indication that the restorations would be in the interest of justice and she finally observed that there were alternatives to restoration, and in respect of which, the learned Justice had this to say in the Yeung Kwok Mung case "if the difficulty can be resolved without restoration, then the alternative method is to be preferred."
Thematically, the decisions in Dedyson and Kwok make it clear that the Courts will require cogent and compelling reasons to reverse a liquidation in favour of those who had given assurances as to the completion of the process. Thus, any person who goes through the mechanics of winding up a company would be unable to simply change course and seek to reverse what had before the time of the application for restoration, been determined as at an end.
Post-Dedyson then, a former shareholder, liquidator or director could not on a whim avoid the dissolution of a company that had gone through the ringer of voluntary liquidation. While not an absolute determination, it is clear that on liquidation of a company, there should be finality in the process, save where (i) restoration would serve a beneficial purpose consistent with the requirements of justice; or (ii) there are newly discovered assets to be distributed by the company or claims to be made against a company which had not previously been made. Each of these requirements was easily dispensed with by Counsel for the Defendant, who demonstrated that they were not applicable in the instant claims.
There was no doubt that Counsel for each Claimant would have somewhat of an uphill struggle in seeking to persuade the Court that it should not consider itself bound by the Dedyson and Yeung Kwok Mung decisions, or alternatively that the Dedyson case could be distinguished and could not be deemed as persuasive authority as it had particular facts which were very different to the claims of the Four. Nevertheless, in the face of the daunting and seemingly insurmountable challenge before him, Counsel defended his clients' position, and urged the Court to seek guidance from various English precedents, none of which were, in the end considered to carry the weight sought to be ascribed to them as against either Dedyson, Yeung Kwok Mung or sections 218A and 218B of the BCA.
In fact, at paragraph 16 of the Dedyson Judgment, the learned Judge observed that outside the scope of the two justifications for ordering the restoration of a company that had been voluntarily liquidated, that it would only be in the most exceptional circumstances that one could justify the restoration of a company for the resumption of business as usual.
While it was common ground that there could likely be instances where exercise of the Court's discretion as provided for in section 218A, of the BCA there was a divergence of opinion as regards the circumstances under which such discretion ought to be exercised. In particular, Counsel for the Claimants contended that per Laddie J in the English case of Re Priceland [1997] 1 BCLC 467 "exercising the discretion against restoration should be the exception and not the rule". This rationale as well as the rationale of the other English precedents, were opposed as it was pointed out that the restoration sought in each such case was a result of dissolution by administrative striking off and not following the procedure of placing the companies into and completing the process of voluntary liquidation. Unlike in the case of administrative striking off, it was argued that in the case of a voluntary liquidation, there is a deliberate act to bring about the permanent death of a company.
Added to the common law position, was the fact that the legislature had amended the BCA which now makes it clear that a company restored following the process of voluntary liquidation is not a company in good standing but is instead returned to the status it would have been in prior to the dissolution, that being 'In Liquidation'. Similarly, when a company is dissolved following administrative striking off, on restoration it is not returned to good standing until all back fees and penalties are paid.
It was even argued that while the value of the undistributed assets in each of the companies was nominal, that the restoration of each company was commercially sensible and went hand in hand with the light touch regulatory regime of the BVI which enabled companies to be easily incorporated, maintained and restored, and that such restorations would cause no prejudice to the jurisdiction or the Registrar, the Court took a more measured approach in assessing the claims, by pointing out the wide range of effects which a restoration in this context would have. In particular, the Court noted that a restoration would resuscitate the rights and obligations of third parties and that such could result in prejudice to the third parties concerned.
The Court therefore disagreed with Counsel for the Claimants that the Dedyson case created a fetter on its discretion to order restoration, and clarified that the decision merely "signposts matters which will assist a court in the exercise of the statutory discretion", and further illustrated the clarifications brought about post Dedyson, in the form of the addition of sections 218A and 218B to the Part XII regime of the BCA.
In the end, the Court advanced that the onus would be on a Claimant seeking restoration in the context of voluntary liquidation, to satisfy it that the circumstances warranted restoration, and to address to the Court's satisfaction the potential prejudice that could befall third parties. In this case the Claimants' cases fell far below this mark and their applications for restoration therefore failed.
[i] See 2015 decision of the BVI High Court in the consolidated matters of: Elite Source Limited v the Registrar of Corporate Affairs (BVIHCV 0077 of 2013); Korri Capital Limited v the Registrar of Corporate Affairs (BVIHCV 0078 of 2013); Careland International Co. Limited v the Registrar of Corporate Affairs (BVIHCV 079 of 2013); and Peng Xiaohong v the Registrar of Corporate Affairs (BVIHCV 080 of 2013)
[ii] BCA section 218A(2)


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#SG Women Leaders Month 2019 (Interactive Session)
91springboard BKC - 1st Floor, Kagalwala House, Behind Shaman Wheels (Mercedes Showroom) Santacruz East. Mumbai, 400098 Mumbai
Sat, May 25, 2019, 5:00 PM (IST)
A freewheeling dialog with two entrepreneurs.
1) Dr. Swati Lodha - CEO Publishing Infinity, Author, Trainer and Coach
www.drswatilodha.com
Dr. Swati Lodha, is the author of "WHO IS REVATHI ROY" #Riches to Rags to Revolution (2019)
Amazon # 1 Bestseller books titled "54 Reasons Why Parents Suck and Phew!" (2018) and "Don't Raise Your Children, Raise Yourself" (2016) and other Bestselling Books like "Why Women are What They Are" (2004) and "Come On! Get Set Go" (2002)
A Doctorate in Women Entrepreneurship, she is passionate about creativity and innovation. She has been Dean, Faculty of Management Studies, Jodhpur National University (JNU) and Director, Aditya Institute of Management Studies and Research (AIMSR), Mumbai.
She founded her first venture SWASH Pvt. Ltd 21 years ago, which offers Training Courses to Youth, Professionals & Women.
A recipient of many prestigious awards:
JITO - Business Women of the Year Award (2017),
Bharat Gaurav Award (2016),
Suryadutta National Award (2014),
Veer Durgadas Award (2010),
Rashtriya Rajbhasha Puraskar (2002).
She has mentored more than 10,000 individuals from different walks of life. She is a mentor to many upcoming entrepreneurs and writes for many digital platforms on Leadership, Motivation and Personal Excellence.
Currently, she is CEO and Co-Founder, Publishing Infinity, a boutique non-fiction publishing house launched in Mumbai.
Her venture "LIFE LEMONADE" offers Corporate Training Workshops across India for Holistic Personal Excellence, Behaviour Design, Digital Leadership, Leadership & Motivation, Life Transformation, Women Empowerment and Parenting.
Beneficiaries of Life Lemonade include Corporates like – Aditya Birla Group, JM Financials, Julius Baer, Fiat India and many more.
2) Ms Revathi Roy (http://revathiroy.com) is an alumni of St Xaviers College Mumbai holds a Masters in Economics from the University of Mumbai. She is a celebrated social Entrepreneur having worked in the field of Womens Empowerment and Workforce Participation, since 2007.
She holds the distinguished pride of pioneering Asias 1st ever Womens Cab service way back in 2007.
And now runs an All women logistics company HEY DEEDEE, where the riders and drivers are all women. Her aim and mission is to transform the lives of women across social strata.
She is also a TED speaker, was featured on the cover of FORBES INDIA, has won the NITI AAYOG AWARD -2016 for WOMEN TRANSFORMING INDIA, Cover of Femina – Women icons issue – October 2017 and many other notable awards. She has also contributed to a white paper called WOMEN IN TRANSPORTATION, which has been jointly published by IFC and WORLD BANK, and the research conducted by UBER and ACCENTURE. An authorized biography on her has just been released, authored by Dr Swati Lodha and published by PUBLISHING INFINITY called "WHO IS REVATHI ROY" #Riches to Rags to Revolution
2007 – Entrepreneur of the Year by BMA
2008 – Lions Club Favourite social entrepreneur
2010 – National Bravery Award by Godfrey Philips
2011-12- Zee UNCH MAZHA ZOKA AWARD
Other Women Leader profiles:
1) Rachita Vora, co-founder, India Development Review, the country's largest nonprofit media platform for the social sector. Rachita oversees content strategy, audience growth, institutional partnerships and brand at IDR.
2) Sweta Mangal, co-founder MUrgency (Winner of 2016 Startup of the year at Startup Grind Global Conference, her startup later on went on to get investment from Ratan Tata himself) Business, Healthcare and Philanthropy run parallel with the concept of entrepreneurship in Sweta Mangal's purview.
3) Chandni Jafri is a triple bottomline advocate, angel investor, startup evangelist, advisor, mentor, Business Head and theatre producer and actor. She is the former Chief Executive Officer of Mumbai Angels Network, India's leading angel investing & mentoring platform, and the founder of SLSV (www.soundnlight.in), which is a Sustainability Investment, Media and Ecommerce platform.
4) Mridvika Raisinghani is Managing Director for India at Shortlist, a recruiting technology platform matches growing companies in India and East Africa to the top skilled talent that they need to grow. She has 13 years of professional experience across technology services, consulting, non-profit, and ed-tech companies.
5) Dr. Swati Lodha - CEO and Co-Founder, Publishing Infinity, a boutique non-fiction publishing house launched in Mumbai. Her venture "LIFE LEMONADE" offers Corporate Training Workshops across India
6) Revathi Roy, CEO and founder of an all women logistics company HEY DEEDEE, where the riders and drivers are all women. Revathi is a celebrated social Entrepreneur having worked in the field of Women's Empowerment and Workforce Participation, since 2007. Her aim and mission is to transform the lives of women across social strata.
7) Akanksha Kaila Akashi Founder, REFASH (http://refash.in), a design student from the University of the Arts, London, hopes to create a change in the mindset of consumers by converting their trash into treasure, one piece at a time.
8) Sweta Tiwari, Associate Director, Zone Startups/India has been associated with the early stage and start-up ecosystem playing a pivotal role in a career spanning over 9 years. Helps founders start ventures, connect with mentors, experts and potential channels.
9) Srishti Rishi is a 27 year old who has started her own company called BuzzTiger - a marketing firm that caters to your every need. She is a fitness freak and a marathoner, she is also an enthusiastic hiker, level 2 kite surfer and prefers the midfield position when it comes to playing football.
10) Nilima Bhat, Founder Director: Shakti Fellowship, Co-author of Shakti Leadership: Embracing Feminine and Masculine Power in Business, Nilima Bhat is a visionary, speaker, facilitator and coach for Conscious Leadership, Diversity & Inclusion and Integral Health. She is currently focused on building The Shakti Fellowship: a global network of women change agents and social innovators who collaborate to create peace, prosperity, and beauty through the exchange of multiple forms of capital.
11) Khrisha Shah, CEO & Co-Founder at Dysco, she oversees all strategy, logic and rationale of the product. A passionate writer and a social media enthusiast, communicating the brand identity via digital marketing and content creation falls favourably within her realm. She also tries to channel the causes she cares about into Dysco's initiatives - be it environmental conservation, equal rights or community building.
12) Rakhee Chhabria, Founder - TeachersHelpTeachers, started her journey as a creative and enthusiastic Educational Professional having over 18 years of experience for Pre- primary and Special Education. Being an Educator Mother, and knowing the problems faced by teaching professionals, she began pursuing her passion of getting all educators together on one common platform called TeachersHelpTeachers (THT) to evolve Education and help Educators derive support from one another. Today TeachersHelpTeachers has close to 8000 members across India and has been recognised by the C.O.O of facebook Sheryl Sandberg for its effective community work in Education.
For domestic modes of payment (Netbanking, Debit card) register here - https://helmofeight.com/events/sgwomen-leaders-month-2019/
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Dr. Swati Lodha
Publishing Infinity
Revathi Roy
Hey Dee Dee
Dr. Swati Lodha CEO and Co-Founder, Publishing Infinity, a boutique non-fiction publishing house launched in Mumbai. An Author, Trainer and Coach. Her venture "LIFE LEMONADE" offers Corporate Training Workshops across India
Dr. Swati Lodha, is an author of Amazon # 1 Bestseller books titled "54 Reasons Why Parents Suck and Phew!" (2018) and "Don't Raise Your Children, Raise Yourself" (2016) and other Bestselling Books like "Why Women are What They Are" (2004) and "Come On! Get Set Go" (2002)
Revathi Roy is an alumni of St Xaviers College Mumbai holds a Masters in Economics from the University of Mumbai. She is a celebrated social Entrepreneur having worked in the field of Womens Empowerment and Workforce Participation, since 2007.
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Average speed cameras about to be installed on A90 near Dundee
July 11, 2017, 6:00 am Updated: July 11, 2017, 3:57 pm
Installation of average speed cameras on the A90 between Dundee and Stonehaven will begin next week.
The £2 million project was announced earlier this year and will see 30 of the devices placed along the road, 15 on each side of the carriageway.
Preparatory work began in May and the scheme has now moved on to its second stage, which will see the cameras themselves installed on the road.
It is anticipated that the system will go live in the autumn.
Transport Scotland believes the network, similar to the one already in place between Perth and Dunblane, will deter drivers from speeding and reduce the number of accidents on the road.
More than 60% of drivers speed on the A90, with one in five hitting more than 80mph.
A spokesman for Transport Scotland said: "Preparatory work continues for the average speed camera system on the A90 between Dundee and Stonehaven.
"Next week, installation of the average speed equipment begins on the stretch between Dundee and Forfar.
"This roll-out of the equipment will continue across the route throughout the summer, with the full system expected to go live in the autumn.
"In the interim period, the existing arrangement of fixed and mobile speed enforcement will remain in place."
There are 40 fixed and mobile speed cameras used on the stretch of road at the moment.
Police Scotland, road safety charities and business groups all welcomed the decision to install average speed cameras when it was announced in March.
Road safety chief will make 'no apologies' over installation of average speed cameras on A90


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Murderati
MURDERATI examines critical themes, historical archetypes and trends in publishing, marketing and the life of the published author.
Taking the punch
by Pari
Every Friday night when I'm in Albuquerque, I do something no sane person would do.
I spar.
This isn't light contact; it's the real thing. Granted, we use protective gear (mouthpieces are my friends), but most of us don't wear face masks. Sorry to say . . . I get nailed with embarrassing frequency.
So why do I do it?
First of all, I think it's important to experience taking a punch — especially for women. It's important to know what it feels like to have a man attack you. There's also something incredibly powerful about getting clocked in the jaw or gut and realizing that you have to keep going. In three years, I've caught a fingernail to my cornea, sidekicks that have knocked the wind out of me, and at least four punches right in the nose. Sometimes I've learned from my mistakes in missing the blocks. Other times I haven't. That's not the point. The big lesson is that I've stood up and kept at it.
The second reason sparring is so important to me is that it's both predictable and unpredictable, kind of like life. It's guaranteed that every single person sparring on any given night is going to miss a block and get punched or kicked. It doesn't matter how experienced you are, how quick or agile. It happens to everyone. No exceptions. The unpredictability comes in because you never know who is going to really challenge you to be better that same night and who is going to make it too easy.
Sparring is also great practice for writers who want their work to be read by anyone other than friends/family. Because, you know what? It's predictable that your writing is going to get slammed; it doesn't matter how good or famous you are. There are going to be nasty critics out to get you. And, it's just as unpredictable because you're going to find confirmation in places you never expected.
The important thing is to know as a writer that you can — and must — keep going.
Rejections, bad reviews, snarky readers, misunderstood themes/messages, rotten buzz campaigns, insults, trolls . . . yeah, we've all caught at least some of these on the chin. But those of us who work on our protective blocks, who step up and learn how to counterpunch and kick . . .
We'll survive no matter what.
Today, I'd love to learn about your own sparring experiences, your tests in life, that have made you more resilient, determined and strong.
Next Monday, Murderati alum Jeff Cohen is going to take the helm. He's got a new book coming out. Please stop by and make him feel welcome. I know I will.
This entry was posted in Pari Noskin Taichert on June 23, 2008 .
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30 thoughts on "Taking the punch"
Alexandra Sokoloff June 23, 2008 at 7:07 am
I've said it before but dance training is what made me resilient, both physically and mentally. You learn to take criticism in stride, as it were, when you've got a teacher with a big stick following you across the floor yelling at you to do it FASTER, FARTHER, BETTER and shouting specific corrections while you're trying to keep everything else together. It's real time and it's your body as well as your interpretation.
But it works like a charm, and it makes any paper criticism pale in comparison.
J.D. Rhoades June 23, 2008 at 8:47 am
I used to love sparring, especially when some cocky young dude would get overconfident and the old guy (me) would kick him clear off the mat(we were using chest pads and helmets).
Of course, it works the other way. Worst beating I ever took was from a cute young girl who came about up to my shoulder. Her kiai sounded like a cartoon character. But I quit laughing when she came up off the mat with a jump spin kick across the side of my head that rang my bells and laid me out. Damn ballet training came in handy for her, I guess.
Mark Terry June 23, 2008 at 8:56 am
In my style of karate, Sanchin-Ryu, we don't spar so much, and don't fight competitively, but we do kumite at higher ranks.
Anyway, when we started on this with Chief Grand Master Dearman, who developed the style, after the first go-round he commented that if there was anybody there who felt comfortable doing this, they might as well go home, there was nothing he could teach them. As he said, in a fight, you're not supposed to feel comfortable, no matter how experienced you are.
Good advice for writing sometimes, I think.
Mike MacLean June 23, 2008 at 9:55 am
Keeping the martial arts metaphor going…
I've studied a style called Ja-Shin-Do since I was a kid and have found the training tremendously helpful in my writing. More than anything, it puts writing challenges into perspective. I've had a 280 lb man kick me into a wall and a Jujitsu expert twist my neck back like it was a bobble head toy. What's a little rejection letter going to do to me? But the martial arts also instill discipline that carries over to the writing life. If you want to perfect that kick or that punch or that hold, you've got to get off your ass and do the work. The same goes for writing… only you sit ON your ass and do the work.
Unfortunately, with the baby and day job and deadlines, I've become a weekend warrior at the dojang. My technique isn't where I want it to be (neither is my cardio, damn it). But the lessons Ja-Shin-Do has taught me are still there and I'm grateful.
Pari Noskin Taichert June 23, 2008 at 11:03 am
Alex,I can't imagine any dance teacher following you around the floor with a big stick and anything else but praise.
(Speaking of which, I get to come to part of BCon!!!!! Can we finally go dancing?)
And I bet screenwriting also trained you to deal with those punches.
J.D.,That's what I mean about the unpredictablity of it.
I'm not very good at sparring, but my kiai would scare the pants off of just about anyone. That in itself might buy me the time to get out of a bad situation.
". . . you're not supposed to feel comfortable, no matter how experienced you are."
Oh, heck yeah! That's so incredibly wise when applied to writing.
BTW: what is Kumite?
Mike,Great to see you here, especially with that baby . . .
I think you've hit it on the nose. I write about Tae Kwon Do from time to time because it amazes me how much it does for my overall life, how much I apply it to each day without realizing.
I wish I'd started it as a kid rather than someone who was facing her 50s. Now, I'm at the half-century mark and my agility/body just aren't where I would have loved them to be. It would've been so much fun to get decent hang time with a flying kick . . .
Stacey Cochran June 23, 2008 at 11:17 am
Sobriety and getting clean of self-destructive behavior. Definitely one of the "self" defining challenges of my life. I've been sober 8 years this August 4.
Marriage and a son. I've got an 18-month-old boy. Having children has changed my outlook on the world, taught me more compassion and love.
I think there's about four things driving me as a writer:
1) first job I ever had was a paper route (kept it from age 6 to 16). That planted the seed as much as anything.
2) My family. I came from a family of quite possibly the worst communicators on the planet, and the whole reason I made the choice to become a writer — the defining reason — was to improve my communication skills. Part of why I would like to publish with a major publisher is for confirmation that I succeeded at improving myself and my ability to communicate with others.
3) Second job I ever had was at a movie theater. Worked there from 16-18, and that's where I learned that storytelling was big business in America.
4) Great books have a way of changing a culture — sometimes maybe of improving it, sanding off the rough edges, if you will. I think my greatest dream is to write something big, something that matters to people, something that changes things for the good. If I could make people more compassionate, I think I'd give up just about everything I am to make that happen.
Sorry if that's a long-winded way of answering. It's Monday. I have coffee.
Louise Ure June 23, 2008 at 11:34 am
My own test was one of self-confidence rather than grit and perseverance. It was that first time my flight instructor got out of the plane and said, "Go do three more take off and landings." I felt like I'd just signed a suicide pact with myself.
Stacey,First of all, congratulations on that upcoming anniversary. It's a hell of an accomplishment.
I think marriage and having children (and, for women, pregnancy and childbirth)make most of us stronger and change us intrinisically. They also force us to look at what's important — or not — on a daily basis.
Louise,That's exactly what I'm talking about. I bet it was terrifying and exhilarating at once.
JT Ellison June 23, 2008 at 12:05 pm
I don't take many physical challenges, prefer the cerebral. Like golf : )
But this topic relates directly to the challenges of my critique group. I've been having a tough time with this book. Over the weekend, I realized that because of my insidious travel schedule, I've only made group three times since I started it. Three times since January. I'm used to getting through at least the first half of my books with my group, and this time, I'm only up to pg. 70.
I've been suffering from no-critique-itis, and the book is suffering as well. No more of that. My every other Wednesday is going back into the sacred column.
And fabulous to see you, Mike MacLean!!!!!
Pari Noskin Taichert June 23, 2008 at 12:49 pm
"No-critique-itis"
Leave it to you, JT, to come up with that.
I'm curious, what has golf taught you about writing? Anything?
JT Ellison June 23, 2008 at 1:09 pm
Honestly, Pari? I learned not to let my sex get in the way of my goals. Something I think is especially important when it comes to being a thriller writer.
I was the only girl on my high school golf team. There was no women's golf, only the men's team. We fought hard for me to be able to compete with them. When the school district finally acquiesced, it was a triumph. No red tees for me, I shot off the blues with the boys. And half the time, I beat them.
It taught me how to ignore a crowd, how to focus on my stroke and tune out the catcalls. And there was nothing more satisfying that hearing the derisive whispers turn to awe when I nailed one good.
I regret not taking a year and trying out for the LPGA Q school. I went to college instead, played for their women's team, and hated every minute of it. Girls were just such… well… girls about competition. Drove me nuts. The boys weren't thrilled to have me at first, but they accepted me once I proved myself. The girls golf? Backstabbing, biting and hair pulling, literally. It was ridiculous. I decided to let golf be my hobby instead of competing any more.
The mystery community has been a little easier to navigate. But not always. There's competition, and bad feelings, and all that, just like in every facet of life. My theory? No excuses or apologies for who, and what, I am. I'm a girl who writes dark — male land. I use the same kind of navigation as high school.
I can still nail a good one, though : )
Pari Noskin Taichert June 23, 2008 at 1:17 pm
JT,Important lessons all.
I think you also learned to keep focused, to work hard for a goal and to know that sometimes you hit well and sometimes things go to pot.
All critical lessons for writing as well.
One last thing on that note:
I did learn that sometimes, it's just not your day. You don't quit, it just makes you try harder the next time.
Stephen D. Rogers June 23, 2008 at 1:48 pm
I do something even harder than sparring. I watch my seven-year-old daughter spar. Weekly.
She's the youngest in the class, and last Thursday she bested the leader, a big guy twice her age.
Tammy Cravit June 23, 2008 at 1:59 pm
My big tests in life? Surviving sexual assault. Getting clean from compulsive and self-destructive behaviors. Finding a spouse and (starting down the road to) adopting a child. And, most recently, protracted and ugly court fight with a local government agency…I can't say a whole lot about what's been going on publicly at this point, but my nightly prayer these days is that the ugliness is behind us now and that the judge will continue to move things toward the resolution we hope for.
Some people think courage comes from being tough enough to best all comers, to bulldoze over others before they get that punch in. But I think courage comes from taking the punch, responding to it appropriately, and getting back to level ground again.
One more thought: I haven't found it to be the case that life favors the mighty – at least not in the long term. In my experience, life favors the tenacious and the resilient. Writing, I've found, is much the same way.
Stephen,I know what you mean; it's terribly difficult to watch our children take those punches. But I'm not sure if it's more difficult than taking the punch oneself.;-)
Tammy,Two thought-provoking comments. Thank you.
As to the issue of the mightiest taking all; it's hooey. JD's comment reflected that.
I believe that it's the ability to respond with flexibility, resiliency (as you point out) and to learn that makes one successful in life.
Tom Barclay June 23, 2008 at 3:52 pm
Pari, 'kumite' is Japanese for 'sparring,' though I think there's another implication the English word doesn't carry. Perhaps Naomi or someone else fluent in Japanese would tell us.
R.J. Mangahas June 23, 2008 at 4:36 pm
I think my martial arts training as a kid was a mistake. Not so much that I shouldn't have done it. It's more like the higher up I got in the ranks, I could see that the organization was more commercial. Black belts had to test at certain times, they HAD to compete in so many tournaments a year. If you were a trainee instructor, you had to become certified after a period of time. Why? All of these things brought in money. The organization even has it's own MasterCard now. But I digress. The sparring classes though were great. They were taught by this guy Henry. He really gave definition to "Fighting Irish."
What really made me persevere was the death of my fiance a few years back and when my father had both a heart attack and later a stroke. (He survived them both). Through both these ordeals, it was the writing that kept me going. But I would also have to say that I got more inspiration from my dad at this time. He survived both ordeals because he was strong and had the desire to keep living. And the greaqt thing about this is that he may have slowed down a bit, but there are no visible side effects from either his stroke or heart attack. That to me is inspiring.
Tom,Thanks. I could probably have waited to ask my Black-Belt hubby. He studied Karate.
Dear R.J.,Wow. Just wow. To have survived the death of your fiancee and then to have witnessed and lived through the two ordeals your father experienced . . .
I'm almost dumbstruck.
Of course, I'm rarely fully dumbstruck 😉
As to the commerciality of martial arts, I haven't witnessed it in our school. There's no pressure whatsoever for tournaments or when a person tests. I'll be going for my Black Belt either in August or November. To me, it will symbolize accomplishment and perseverance . . . and then I'll keep going.
Pari,it's good to know that commercialism hasn't touched all martial arts schools. And good luck on getting your black belt. That's a sign of your dedication right there.
When I think about it, I feel like the black belt I got through said school didn't mean as much. (Of course I looked at it differently when I was a kid). When I look back at it, I remember people I talked with saying it took them several years to finally earn that black belt. I got it in a year and a half. (Because of that mandatory testing thing)
R.J.,Really? A year and a half? Sheesh.
At our school, you wouldn't even be eligible — if you tested every three months until your black tip — for a minimum of three years. This holds true for the kids who qualify for their junior black belt.
For them to get a black belt, they have to wait usually about another 2-3 years.
We adults have a minimum of 3 years. I've been at it for at least that long by now and have missed at least two or three testings. My hair is alot grayer than it was when I started.
Mark Terry June 23, 2008 at 8:13 pm
Kumite (koo-muh-tay) is just Japanese for sparring. BUt since we don't fight competitively it's much less formal.
Jake Nantz June 23, 2008 at 10:13 pm
I hate to hear that anyone, ever, has had trouble with martial arts and commercialization. I came so close to taking Tae Kwon Do when I was in college, then I met a girl at Black Belt USA in Charlotte who gave me her opinion. BBUSA taught TKD and also Muay Thai. She told me one night that, while she truly loved TKD and probably got more out of it in terms of overall health (flexibility and such), if she were attacked she'd drop it in a second.
I asked her why, and she said, "It can be effective, but against someone truly bigger and stronger, they may just overpower your punches and kicks. But knees and elbows don't rely on strength, because they're rock hard all of the time."
Now I'm a guy not a woman, but I wanted practical self-defense, and I was sold. And I've never seen Muay Thai go commercial, and I've never seen anyone, at any of the gyms where I've trained, be pushed or forced to compete, because we fight in the ring only, no belt-system, no points. I had to stop because the conditioning and deadening of the nerves in my shins and elbows brought my psoriasis out with a vengeance and I still can't get it back under control. But man, I miss Thai. Although, Ms. Taichert, I know what you mean about taking it on the chin. I was the only guy close to our head trainer (6-2, 250lbs.) when I was 5-8 190. Guess who got to be his sparring partner? Guy's legs were like louisville sluggers…ouch.
As far as tests, the toughest one for me–other than quitting smoking 12 years ago, the toughest thing I've ever had to do–was switching from being a defenseman in lacrosse to becoming a goalie. Imagine standing in front of a firing squad and praying they hit you if you can't catch the bullet, so it doesn't get by. Pitchers in baseball throw 95+ from 60 ft. away. Lax players shoot 90+ from about 8-12 yds, or 36 feet out, and the physics puts that at the quivalent of a pitcher throwing about 160mph or so.
I've cried twice on the lacrosse field in pain. Once when I missed one from a 4-yr. starter at Navy, and it hit me just above and to the left of my cup. No muscle, no fat, just nerve endings. The other was when my coach hit me in the throat with a shot, and I thought I was gonna die. Actually, that was more crying from fear than pain, but you get the idea. Both times I learned that no matter how badly it hurts, it can still be a teachable moment. I'm still here, and I know there will be more times I think I'm gonna die. But if I don't, I will have another valuable memory to learn from.
I wish you all strength and hope, two things that can get you through a lot. And if you haven't tried martial arts, I recommend it (with a little research to see what suits you best). It's so wonderful and empowering to feel the independence of knowing you have a chance if you have to defend yourself.
Good night, and sorry for the overlong post.
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it's tuesday, march 22nd, 2016. this is the "cbs morning news." foreign policy fight. as millions of voters in three states head to the polls today, the five remaining presidential candidates spar over the united states role in nato and israel.
relationship between the u.s. and cuba has entered a new day, but old wounds are still on display during an historic and sometimes contentious visit to the communist island nation. game, set, match. after saying women's tennis players should get on their knees and thank the men on tour, a tennis official is out of a job this morning. and custody controversy. why a 6-year-old girl is being taken from the foster family that's raised her for most of her life. good morning from the studio 57 newsroom at cbs news headquarters here in new york. good to be with you. i'm anne-marie green. we begin with breaking news from brussels, belgium. this morning, there have been two powerful explosions at the brussels airport. the cause is unclear, but charlie d'agata joins us from brussels on the phone. charlie, good morning. what can you tell us?
you, anne-marie. actually, i'm on my way from bruge to brussels. we were there last night. this is the prison where salah abdeslam is currently being held, the man who was arrested on friday. so we're racing down to brussels now. possibly two explosions. it happened around 8:00 this morning. some agencies are reporting one dead, two dozen wounded. belgian television, one station said it may be as high as 11 dead. we have to confirm these numbers in knees developing news story, obviously. there are reports of shots were fired this morning when this event took place. the natural assumption is this is a terrorist attack considering the events that have happened in the past week or so and the arrest of salah abdeslam, the attacker in paris, the only one to survive, was arrested friday. and now the whole city has been -- excuse me, the airport itself has been locked down.
there as quickly as possible. but yes, two explosions being reported and a number dead and several wounded. >> all right. belgium on the phone, thank you so much, charlie. >> reporter: thanks. well, campaign 2016 heads west today.s to extend her delegate lead while donald trump's rivals look to slow him down. both democrats and republicans hold contests in arizona and democrats also hold a caucus in idaho. a just-released cbs news/"new york times" poll of democratic voters finds that clinton-point lead over bernie sanders. on the republican side, trump maintains a healthy lead over his rivals.ew york with more. good morning, don. >> reporter: good morning, anne-marie. that new poll came as trump sort of tried out washington for size the billionaire went to the nation's capital in an effort of building support within his party. he left still in the crosshairs
voting in the west today could further lay the landscape for the republican presidential the big prize is the winner-take-all state of arizona. monday, front-runner donald trump focused on foreign policy in washington where he suggestedd rethink its involvement in nato, an idea he repeated on cnn last night. >> we're paying ly. it's too much. and frankly, it's a different world than it was when we originally conceived of the idea and everybody got together. ted cruz and john kasich quickly responded. >> this is a dangerous world. if america withdraws, we get the kind of chaos has produced. >> as a leader of this country, you want to be careful and you wouldn't say that now. >> reporter: while in washington trump tried from party leaders and also spoke before apac. >> when i become president, the days of treating israel like a will end. >> reporter: democratic front-runner hillary clinton used her speech before the pro-israel group to target
>> we need steady hands, notident who says he's neutral on monday, pro-israel on tuesday, and who knows what on wednesday.sanders skipped the conference and campaigned in utah where he needs to pull off a win. >> israel must continue to exist as an state. but if we are going to have lasting peace, we have also got to work with the palestinians.0 delegates are up for grabs today. while in washington, donald trump met with "the washington post"rd which has been very critical of him. afterwards in an editorial titled "electing him will still be a radical risk.""unfortunately the visit provided no reassurance regarding mr. trump's fitness for the presidency." at last check, trump commanded ad in the winner-take-all state of arizona, one of the states voting today. anne-marie? >> don champion in new york. don.
morning," we will take a look at the security preparations for the gop convention in cleveland.e of those running for president have been highly critical of president obama's visit to cuba. the president wraps up his y, and yesterday during a sometimes-tense joint news conference, cuban president raul castro denied his country holdsprisoners. despite some deep divisions, mr. obama says progress has been made. chris martinez has more from havana.sident obama calls this a new day. and he says the u.s. embargo against cuba will end.f when. president obama and the first lady smiled for the cameras as they arrived for a state dinner in havana. was less celebratory when president obama and cuban president raul castro held a joint news conference hours road ahead will not be easy.
swim with sharks in order to hat you and i have set forth. >> reporter: castro rarely takes questions from reporters in a country where the media is tightly controlled. he bristled when an americansked why cuba detains political prisoners. >> translator: after this meeting is over, you can give me a list of political if we have those political prisoners, they will be released before tonight ends. >> reporter: sunday more than two dozen political protesters were ident obama plans to meet with dissidents tuesday. the leaders talked about the progress they've made over the past 15 months inplomatic ties, but they still have major disagreements over human rights and the role of democracy. >> our starting point is we haves. two different systems of government. two different economies. and we have differences. >> reporter: the president is enjoying havana's traditions on his three-day trip.watch the
the tampa bay rays, celebrating cuba's national sport. raul castro will also attendl game later today. but before any of that, president obama will give an address to the cuban people that will be broadcast live all across the island via state tv.martinez, cbs news, havana, cuba. well, a surprising twist in etween the federal government and apple. today's court showdown was postponed after the fbi said it may no longer need apple's help he san bernardino shooter's iphone. >> reporter: after asking and then trying to compel apple for help, the party showed investigators a possible method of getting into syed farook's phone. the fbi believes a locked iphone given to farook by hisy hold information on the december 2nd terror abeing ttack that t getting access to that information has opened up a debate over privacy and data
>> we need to decide as a nation power the government should have over our data and over our privacy. >> reporter: on a day when he company's latest gadgets, apple ceo tim cook took a firm stance against >> this is an issue that impacts all of us, and we will not shrink from this responsibility.onth a federal judge ruled in favor of an fbi request for apple to create new special software that would unlock farook's the latest court filing, the government says it will test this new method of opening the phone, and it may not need the tech company's help. >> the, of course, raises questions about why the government has consistently said for over a pmonth that apple and only apple could unlock the iphone,why they are seeking a court to compel the company to do so. >> reporter: if the fbi's plan
encryption., the fbi has to file a status report on its investigation by tuesday, april 5th. apple attorneys aren't calling this a victory, however. they say the fbi's plan work, and investigators could once again ask or demand apple's help. well, coming up on the on this morning's breaking news. we'll go back to belgium where at least two explosions have rocked the brussels airport this morning. e yardley's. sfx: leaf blower dad! sorry. this is more than a lawn. this is a trugreen lawn.
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breaking news in brussels, belgium, where at least one person is dead and several injured after explosions rocked the departure gate atport. charlie d'agata joins us now on the phone from belgium. charlie, good morning. >> reporter: good morning to derstand that all flights have now been canceled. the flights coming in have been diverted. there are reports that people were shouting there was gunfire before the
we've seen some twitter pictures. we're rushing to the airport now. the windows have all been smashed out. there's a guy on the ground with a bad leg. some of the belgian media is reporting there could be several dead in this attack.ive us a little context here. yesterday it was revealed that there is now another suspect in the paris terror attack suspected of making the bombs used to could this be related at all, the search for that man? >> reporter: certainly ing in that direction, anne-marie. this is after the arrest of salah abdeslam friday. he is the only attacker to attack. he fled to a neighborhood here in brussels. the man they're looking for now, and they've put out a sort of all points they're calling him the alleged bomb baker
his dna was found on explosive devices at a couple e reason they're looking for him now and the fact that he's on the run is they connected him with salah abdeslam. he was found in a car. being in a car traveling with abdeslam before the attack in places like hungary. so he seems to be the key and the person that they're most interested in finding -- now, this being the bombbombmaker, ands fi these were efficient bombs. every one that they needed to work did work, and that isn't always the case.person, then he has, you know, a high degree of sophistication. clearly he's on the run. clearly he's if he's the bombmaker if these are indeed bombs, obviously this is a developing story, we have to find thatertainly going to be pointing in his direction. >> so what can you tell us about what's going on at the airport now? i know you're heading to
>> reporter: yes. what happened is we've seen some twitter feeds of this sort of frenzied evacuation, and thised around 8:00 this morning. they said it showed the windows have been smashed out, and there's some blood on the floor, anground. they evacuated the airport. the entire area has been locked down. they've canceled all flights and they are diverting any flights that were coming into the airport. that, again, we have to get this confirmation that this may have been an attack. people were shouting in arabic. there was gunfire.ses say there were two explosions that took place. that whole area has been locked down. we should be getting there in about 20 minutes or so to get a . but that's the way things stand now. >> all right. charlie d'agata in belgium. a lot going on there. we have two explosions reported at the airport course, this comes on the heels of belgium police
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back to the breaking news in brussels, belgium, where at dead, several injured after explosions rocked the departure gate at brussels airport. charlie d'agata joins us on the s in belgium on his way to brussels headed towards the airport. charlie, any more information about where theseok place, what area of the airport? >> reporter: well, there are some reports, as you said, this departure lounge. and there's at least one report that it may have been targeting the airport. we haven't spoken to anybody there yet. it's what we've seen ourselves on twitter feeds. out of that area. we've seen some wounded people on the ground. belgian television is reporting
been dead. killed in this apparent attack. and it seems to be two explosions that struck the airport around 8:00 local time. >> and charlie, justle about what's been going on in belgium. we had this very high-profile arrest of salah abdeslam, a key attack which i think for a while -- >> reporter: yeah. >> -- at least we didn't even realize where he was, if he was still in belgium. syria? can you talk to us a little bit about that? >> reporter: yeah, well, this is the crazy thing. on friday, you know, we were in the phone call that there's a shooting that had taken place. there seems to be a police in a neighborhood in molenbeek which is in brussels. and this is an area that's become like jihadi central. there have been so many ks that lead back to this one neighborhood in brussels. and this person, specific person, salah abdeslam, one key player to have survived
nine others were either killed now it turns out not only was he able to slip away in the chaos of those paris attacks, he's able to cross the border and make his way back to his oldneighborhood in brussels, five blocks from where he grew up. and that is where anti-terror police closed in.aiding an earlier apartment on tuesday. that led them to this raid on y moved in, it appeared that he tried to run away. he was shot in the leg. so this man, an interunt that stretched all the way to syria, ended up just a few blocks away from his house. he was arrested.his alert that there were two other people they were searching for in connection with this. one of those being the alleged he is thought to have had his
devices, najim ui. so the tension that's been going on since friday,ously an increased police presence throughout those neighborhoods. there was at the airport. we know that from people that we've spoken to. increased police presence there. and that's why the concern is now that if this was the bombmaker, and if few explosions, obviously investigators are pointing in that direction. >> charlie, we're learning now that they've increased security in belgium to the maximum level. i can only imagine witharch for the bombmaker since friday and the information that we received, that there were other attacks possibly in the must have been particularly tense in belgium. and security must have been particularly high. >> reporter: it was. and it is.ts of these areas,
that have been raided, you see anti-terror police on the streets. i mean, they're actually they're heavily armed police in and around, you know, public areas in brussels, in and around those neighborhoods. and of course, there would have been a at the airport. but now, as you said, they cranked it to the highest level. things have been tense, of course, since the arrest on and we spoke to prosecutors yesterday, the french and belgian prosecutors, and we asked how many more are out there? and they said, we simply don't the french prosecutor said they had something like 250 active cases. and there are 750 or so people that have either been in jail or on the loose, and they're searching for them. that just gives you a scale of the level of threat that they are facing, and these are specific isis and in belgium which, of course, coordinating their efforts in
france, but in addition to that,y're dealing with a threat that causes both their countries, once again -- >> all right.t is a major problem. >> all right, charlie, thank you so much for bringing us up to speed. i know you're heading to the . we have a lot more news coming up. this is the "cbs morning news." incredible bladder prot an incredible double your money back guarantee. always discreet is for bladder leaks and it's drier than poise. try it, love it double your money back. always discreet. rning on sound of water running sound of water running
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we are seeing, but it looks of windows were blown out. it looks like these blasts were quite powerful.ter: yeah. reporting around 8:00, possibly two explosions. some local media reports are putting the death toll higher than that. reports that shots were fired. people were yelling in arabic. you're seeing the pictures blown-out windows. we've seen a few twitter pictures of people on the ground bleeding. the airport has been evacuated, been locked down. airport. and again, as we've been discussing this morning, this comes as a time of heightenedause of the arrest of this high-profile suspect, involvement in the paris attacks, the one who survived and went on the run. here in belgium on friday. and authorities said then that they are cranking up their alert.is arrest was going to flush suspects out of
>> charlie -- >> reporter: and we're also t somebody has been arrested. >> we are also getting a report of a blast at a train station in brussels, a metro station in brussels. when we heard were looking for at least one other suspect, this man who's known to be a bombmaker, i'm sure -- and also theher terrorist attacks were in the works were being planned, authorities must have expressed some concern about possibly a ramping plans. was there any talk of increasing security, people looking out forbe out of the ordinary? i would think at a time like this, everyone would be surprising to hear that, you know, at least the blasts at the airport was pulled off. >> reporter: well, exactly. a heightened sense of security around airports in public places and metro stations as well. but yes, there's actually an alln out asking for
for this alleged bombmaker. najim they were worried that this high-profile arrest on friday would have sent other isis operatives scrambling.old everybody that that would be a concern, which i think we're both implying, if every place had that sort of lockdown, had that sort of apparently able to attack places as high profile as an airport, it gives you an the scale of the threat they're dealing with here. >> charlie, thank you so much for bringing us up to speed.losions at an airport in brussels, possibly a third explosion at a train station.

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Q: Is there a way to access memory map as vector? TL;DR I have a large list of terms in a file which I have memory mapped. Can I access these terms as if they were a vector in memory. E.g., std::string term = terms[1];
The File
I have a large binary file (which I create) containing millions of terms arranged like so:
applebarnhouseskytrain...

The header is a UInt64 int specifying the number of terms, followed by the same number of UInt64 ints, each specifying a byte offset for each term (starting at zero). The header for the previous example would look something like this (although in binary):
5 0 5 9 14 17

So the binary file altogether would look like this. I am open to modifying the way this data is stored, if that will help.
The Memory Map
I am using the mio library to memory map this file. I can iterate over the entire file, or access any individual byte. E.g.,
mio::mmap_source in;
in.map("index", error);
for (auto& b : in) {
    std::cout<<b;
}
std::cout << in[3];

I read the offsets in the header into a vector in memory:
std::vector<int64_t> offsets;

Accessing a Term
Currently, if I want to access, say, the second term, I would first get the offset of the term offset[1] and the offset of the subsequent term offset[1+1]. Then I would create a std::string term; by looping through in[] using the offsets I just obtained.
Questions

*

*Is there some datatype I can define so that I can access each term as if it were in an vector/set/map without loading actual terms into memory? E.g., std::string term = terms[1]; //assigns "barn" to term

*Am I going about this all wrong? Is there a faster, more efficient way of getting a term from a file? I have been thinking about the above for so long, I feel I might be missing other obvious options.

A:
Is there some datatype I can define so that I can access each term as if it were in an vector/set/map without loading actual terms into memory?

No.
With a custom allocator you could make a standard container use mapped memory for storage, but you couldn't use the data that was in the memory before the container took ownership.
You have to create a custom class for this purpose.

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Q: How can I replace all words in a dataframe python I'm trying to convert an AGL bill into dataframe so that I can put the needed values into an excel spreadsheet.
I'm stuck trying to .replace() characters in the rows with nothing so that just numbers are left (Trying to remove all words in the dataframe). The other issue is that in each cell there are multiple words and numbers.
Here is the current database:
from tabula import read_pdf
import openpyxl
from openpyxl import load_workbook
import pandas as pd
import numpy as np

df1 = tabula.read_pdf('C:/Users/Blake/Desktop/Python/AGL_Bill.pdf',guess=False, pages=2)
df1.columns = ['Description', 'Blank', 'Values']

df1.drop(labels=None, axis=None, index=[0,1,3,4,7,8,25,26,19,15,16,20,32,33,34,35,36,37,38,39,40,41,42,43,44,45,46,47,48,49,50,51,52,53,54,55,56,57,58,59,60,61,62], columns=None, level=None, inplace=True, errors='raise')
df1.drop(labels=None, axis=1, columns=['Values'], level=None, inplace=True, errors='raise')

df1['Description'].str.replace('kWh', '')

print (df1)

df1.to_csv('Tableone.csv', encoding='utf-8')

wb2 = load_workbook('C:/Users/Blake/Desktop/ETemplate.xlsx')

wb2.create_sheet('DATA')
wb2.save('C:/Users/Blake/Desktop/Template.xlsx')`

A: If you are trying to replace the characters with nothing - then RegEx using numbers, each cell - joining them together.
import re
import pandas as pd

data={'1':'Some dumb data $200.22 for me','2':'Some more really dumb data $5.23'}
df=pd.DataFrame.from_dict(data,orient='index')
df.columns=['Data']

def Num_Only(val):
    return ' '.join(re.findall('[\d\.]+',val))

df['New']=''
df.New=df.Data.apply(lambda x: Num_Only(x))
Which should output a new Dataframe ... like this

The output is now...  I have remove the $ as it serves no purpose.
1.   Some dumb data $200.22 for me  200.22
2   Some more really dumb data $5.23    5.23

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Little Things That Get To You? PseudoFox 11/12/20 (Thu) 18:50:24 No.1064074
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So, I was checking out this film on Crackle.com that was semi-randomly recommended to me by this other website that I'm a member of, and the movie opened with this shot, prominently displaying this quote.
I took it in. I thought about it. And I started to get rather irritated. I became more frustrated the more that I pondered it.
Let me go off for a moment:
>First, is it not really unfair to say the least if not actively obnoxious to somehow pretend that women have some sort of an obligation to behave in one certain way (or else, I guess)? All of them? Just by existing, alone, they've got to conform to these unreasonable expectations?
>Second, even putting the problematic nature of the females-belong-on-a-distant-pedestal-to-be-gawked-at-instead-of-seen-as-realistic-humans mindset (which, unfortunately, is rather popular among all genders at the moment) aside, isn't it rather stupid to begin to think like this at the outset because people are people and people are unique? So what if, say, some random woman doesn't like others and would rather live an introverted life with pets on a deserted-ish island somewhat? That would be her choice. And if she's happy, well, I'm glad to hear that she's glad.
>Third, even if we put everything to do with feminism and gender roles aside, is it not also bad to the point of actual bigotry to think this way when one looks at men and non-binary people? Why can't they be given the same treatment? Don't their dreams and hopes matter as well? Seriously?
Then, though, I kind of looked at myself and realized that I'm falling into the stereotype. The "easy triggered, over-sensitive, flies-off-the-handle at the slightest thing that isn't political correct SJW" stereotype. If I was on most places online, I'd immediately be made fun of with Pepe the Frog memes and other such images getting posted at me immediately. And... maybe they'd have a point?
To what extent do you guys try to deal with allowing minor things that happen during your day to trigger you emotionally and really bother you at a deep level? Are you able to shrug a lot off? Be cool as a cucumber? Or do you constantly find yourself in doubt? I'm wondering.
butt!CWPCjBf/2w 11/12/20 (Thu) 19:13:19 No.1064080
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>And... maybe they'd have a point?
no, they don't. What you described in the greentext is pretty bang-on imo honestly. that stereotype you describe was only created as a means to undermine people by the pepe-spewing wankers who just want to be able to say bad shit and then claim it's jokes. The kind of people who think they outwitted you by being able to just say "SJW" want you to question yourself for having basic morals or consideration, because they don't want that to be the norm. Or else it makes them look like pieces of shit. Which they mostly are.
Ella!.fNJV2Jlhw 11/12/20 (Thu) 19:17:16 No.1064082
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I'm pretty chill for the most part, it usually takes a bit to really get my feathers ruffled. I mean, I'll disagree with things easily enough, but it usually doesn't go past that into ruining my mood or day.
As far as that quote, I think I would have had a different reaction if it hadn't cited the source material, which seems to be a book on beauty or modeling.
If I didn't know the context from which the quote came from, I might have felt a little annoyance at it, maybe scoffed a bit, and then moved on. However, since it does show where it is coming from, it hardly bothers me at all. It's kind of expected if it is some type of guide of trying to be beautiful, and I see it more as possibly trying to empower the reader with confidence. There's probably no real ill will behind it.
I mean, now that being said, it does seem pretty old and outdated and likely not a book I would really enjoy
Oh, actually, for little things that get to me, I will get kind of, what I consider a bit of an extreme annoyance, at commercials on TV. Usually the one's where they are making men look like big dopey idiots who would do anything for the pretty lady. That shit triggers me hard and I just instantly mad for like a good ten minutes.
Anonymous 11/12/20 (Thu) 20:32:34 No.1064090
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I'm usually good, until I read the comments, haha. I was just read an article on Norway expanding its anti hate speech laws to incorporate trans people as a protected class. That's cool. Just... don't read the comments y'all! Never read the comments. That was a mistake.
For something like this quote, I usually groan and move on. Maybe because nobody is there presently defending the crap.
Positively Pinkie 11/12/20 (Thu) 20:56:47 No.1064091
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It doesn't take a lot to skyrocket my blood pressure.
And these are pandemic times. So many people breaking quaratine, talking about facemasks being useles and how Covid is a hoax and how people are scared sheep, how vacines are a tool to control the masses...
Yeeesh
I feel the heat rise just thinking of it.
I was never that much into being misanthrope, but this pandemic shows how fundamentally unsave-able we are.
Addy on another PC 11/12/20 (Thu) 21:49:47 No.1064094
I mean, it's a dumb quote. It's good to be upset about it, as long as you temper the behaviors related to your anger with rational thought
Noelle (tripless) 11/13/20 (Fri) 00:52:55 No.1064117
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i do feel your initial feelings and thoughts touched upon some real truth there. it is a bit odd and presumptuous to put all women in that category.
however, i haven't seen the movie, so for all i know it either uses it or subverts it in a way that would be artistically understandable, and maybe admirable, i dunno
as for your last paragraphs, the whole "SJW" stereotype is only there as a means of people to belittle and compartmentalize you in a way that they can ignore, so that they can continue to practice and believe in whatever they want, even if it is problematic.
now, it is good to have self-reflection and to see if what we are saying and doing is good. but other people's insults and name calling shouldn't deter you
Anonymous 11/13/20 (Fri) 04:14:18 No.1064145
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Seems like a very eye rolling quote from some dumb old geezer. I think the quote is dumb, but if i got upset at every dumb viewpoint in this world, i wouldn't have any time left for the things i actually like. There's too much dumb in the world to absorb it all, you know? If you can't fix it, laugh at it and move on. I try to just find the humor in that sort of dumb shit.
Does kind of trigger my more sensitive bugaboo of the deep-rooted, unsolvable problems that come with heterosexual relationships, which make me feel quite sad and hopeless, but I've gotten better at putting that to the side as time goes on.
>pic related, it's my reaction when i read a quote like that.
I think being a bit upset by that quote is reasonable. Now, i don't think making a 5-page blog post about how this is proof that all men (especially those abominable straight white ones) are evil and they shouldn't have rights, well, then you're an "easy triggered, over-sensitive, flies-off-the-handle at the slightest thing that isn't political correct SJW", and those aren't ok! But it's reasonable to be upset or annoyed with such a dumb, shitty quote.
PiercingSight !zEniXTGVeQ 11/13/20 (Fri) 04:21:45 No.1064146
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It depends on the thing, but generally I'm super chill and rather forgiving.
If it's an opinion I find offensive or annoying, I just shrug it off and ignore it for the most part.
If it's an event that bothers me, then my gallows humor tends to make me laugh at it or become a bit sassy toward the situation, but I still live with it.
To make me angry, someone would have to really screw up regarding something important to me, and do so knowingly. It very rarely happens (like, almost never), but when it happens, it becomes something I am incredibly careful/paranoid about for the rest of my life, even if I forgive the original perpetrator.
But yeah, I tend to just shrug everything off that I can afford to. It's not worth it to waste my emotional energy on something I have no control over or influence on.
TLDR: I'm pretty chill with just about everything.
As far as that quote specifically goes, yeah, it's pretty stupid. That's pretty much it. I don't need to give any more thought to it.
⛵ 11/13/20 (Fri) 21:01:02 No.1064288
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I just wanted to point out, that people are getting all bent of shape over a quote from a book published in 1961.
Andrea on a phone thang 11/13/20 (Fri) 22:35:23 No.1064312
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Dumb opinions like that don't bother me.
It's when people act like victims needing special treatment or self-righteous "independent thinkers" in response to criticism of their dumb opinions that really pisses me of. Usually some sort of annoying hypocrisy follows that.
But what really makes me upset about dumb opinions like that is when they get popular and effects the prejudices of the majority of people.
Anonymous 11/14/20 (Sat) 06:57:32 No.1064403
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Ah, you are mistaken. It's actually from a modern movie. You must have misread the OP if you think we are talking about some book.
⛵ 11/14/20 (Sat) 12:03:11 No.1064420
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PseudoFox 11/14/20 (Sat) 12:20:24 No.1064421
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Thanks for all of the responses, everybody!
Here's the film, which I guess is available for free watching without having to sign up for anything, where you can see the opening in context:
https://www.crackle.com/watch/always-shine
It being a psychological thriller from 2016 (which I've not, yet, watched in its entirety yet), I'm supposing that the opening had a tinge of like... intentional sarcasm or something, maybe? I don't know. Stand by what I said, though.
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Oh, wait, should've posted this already, but: strong content warning r.e. hatred and violence if you do decide to watch the flick (it opens with a woman being chased and threatened, after all, even though things are immediately complicated).
This thread is about a movie from 2016. I'm not sure why you are posting this book. Nobody is critiquing a book here, it's completely irrelevant. You might want to reread the OP maybe? Nowhere does it talk about reading a book or discussing a book. We're talking a about a movie, which maybe references an old book. But that the book is the source of the quote means nothing. Nobody in the thread is talking about or caring about a book. It's very weird - frankly irrational - that you think we have been talking about or caring about a book in this context.
Didn't realize it was a thriller type movie. Yeah, the reason they used this quote is most likely to emphasize the mindset of the antagonist. I would guess it's deliberately supposed to be a bad take without the film makers endorsing it.
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I suppose it would be somewhat like a film about modern American city life in the midst of racial division beginning with some quote from Jefferson Davis or Robert E. Lee or something like that to set the atmosphere? I don't know, hah. You're probably right. Was still jarring, nonetheless.
Just to give an example here that might clear up the misunderstanding.
Getting riled up over a quote from Mein Kampf is silly. Like, it's a disgusting book with a disgusting ideology, but it was a long time ago that book was made.
A historical documentary might quote it, that's not an endorsement of it though. That's fine.
But, a white supremacist could use a quote from Mein Kampf today and promote it. It's now no longer just words from a century ago under these circumstances. It's the same as if it were a quote said today.
That's last context is what I assumed from the context in the OP, that the movie is promoting the quote as if it were saying those words itself. In which case, that's something worth complaining about. It's not words from half a century ago in that context, it's words said today.
Though, like I say in my previous post, understanding the context of the movie now makes it clear to me that the filmmakers are trying to foreshadow something with the quote and that it isn't an endorsement. In other words, the movie agrees this was a bad quote and there's nobody to be riled up against. Context is everything. Under that understanding, that nobody is really backing this quote from an old book, I would agree there's no use being riled up.
But to anyone who is under the impression this quote in the movie is an endorsement, then what you are right now saying - whether you mean to or not - is "I just want to point out that people are getting bent out of shape that modern neo nazis are quoting a book from 1925.". Which looks like a very tone deaf thing to be saying. But maybe you knew all along the quote isn't being endorsed here. Like, digging into who knew what about who knew what. Long story short, you look like an asshole saying what you did. But you might not have realized how people, or at least I, initially interpreted the context. In which case you aren't an asshole and this is a misunderstanding. Only you can tell that. I'm trying to be charitable here towards you, even though you insulted me to my face with your little quip.
Yeah, it's to set the tone and foreshadow the conflict of the movie. It's not an endorsement of the idea at all. Almost certain of that now.
Though lots of people still think that way, unfortunately.
Spizzle 11/14/20 (Sat) 17:30:57 No.1064430
A lot of things actually.
Thankfully I play aloof pretty well I think.
Or just realize the absurdity on a meta level and move on with my life.
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While I'm writing out textwalls here, let's add more nuance to the stack.
Myself - and others in this thread - are people who have been put through a tremendous amount of hurt by the kind of person who has said that quote. People who strictly enforce gender roles. I mean, I can only catalog my own damage here. But I can say that the emotional toll on my life has been enormous and devastating. So like, frankly, I feel pretty justified if I actually did want to sit down and bitch out this quote even from a purely historical context. I've had so much taken from me in this life, the *least* I should be alloted is the ability to bitch out the people who did it to me.
So, really under any context, this post >>1064288 is pretty poor and tone deaf. I ain't complaining about a quote from an old book. I'm complaining about systemic oppression that fucked my life over and gave me everlasting emotional trauma.
Context, it's important and you should be aware of it before making such statements.
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The entire OP is literally about the quote. It even says, at the bottom of the quote, where the quote came from. Also note that most of the responses in this thread, have been about the quote. Not the movie. Not the context. But the quote. So if you're going to be upset at the quote, which is what the entire OP is about, then maybe it makes sense to put into context, exactly where that quote comes from, instead of just assuming this is some present day rationalization. "How can anyone think anything so backward in [2020 2016]!" News flash: it's not from 2020 2016.
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Chain!Wall.AT/L2 11/14/20 (Sat) 21:59:16 No.1064462
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I didn't completely read this whole thread, so I might be missing something, but it seems to me that you're not really responding to what was said in >>1064431:
>I ain't complaining about a quote from an old book. I'm complaining about systemic oppression that fucked my life over and gave me everlasting emotional trauma.
Yes, the OP started with discussion of the quote, but maybe the conversation has shifted a bit to a broader topic?
Thank you, that is correct. Boat did not address my point at all really.
Although knowing that pseudo is non binary, the subtext was there from the start I would say. Just not explicitly stated.
News flash, this shit happens to me on a daily basis in 2020! So your Don Quixote reference is extraordinarily ignorant.
Boat, level with me right now. I am telling you directly this is something I personally deal with today. Are you gonna call me a liar? If so, on what grounds?
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To put it bluntly, I'm not concerned with the extrapolations. I'm saying nothing about modern gender roles and expectations. I'm saying nothing about your experiences with discrimination. I'm saying that this quote, comes from a time before the Sexual Revolution, comes from a time when roughly 40% of women even participated in the workforce, and it reflects that time Not only is it a relic of its time, it was written by someone who himself was a relic of a bygone era - someone who was a teenager when both the Autro-Hungarian and Ottoman Empires were still a thing. Nobody thinks like this any more. And again, I am not concerned with the extrapolations. If you want to talk about discrimination you've faced - go right ahead. But maybe try to avoid using 59-year-old quotes by a 128-year-old man as justification.
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>Nobody thinks like this any more.
I only need one single instance to prove you wrong. Do you think not a single human on the planet thinks this way anymore? Or would you like to refine your stance?
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>>1064465 fair enough. This position has gone completely out of favor in the past 40 years in the West, and is essentially irrelevant.
Tracer Bullet(phone) 11/14/20 (Sat) 22:44:52 No.1064467
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It takes a lot of little things to get to me.
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I want to trying to make this more concrete. For instance, if I provide one example of a major/significant politician who has in the last four years expressed the same kind of sentiment as the OP quote, would you concede that you are wrong? That politician must be voted in by a majority, and therefore must speak from a favored position within this western country.
Would that be a fair, conclusive counterpoint?
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>>1064469 sure, mostly because I'm curious to see which backwater Republican is going to be the example.
lp 11/14/20 (Sat) 23:07:58 No.1064471
Holy shit you said the R word
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!ALyBrYFClU 11/14/20 (Sat) 23:20:08 No.1064473
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Very little actually ever bothers me. At the most, I'll be upset for about a bit then get over it.
Things like the quote in the OP will make me roll my eyes for sure, but I won't be bothered by it.
Anonymous 11/15/20 (Sun) 00:30:25 No.1064477
I'm gonna be busy, and I'm a bit overdrawn emotionally right now. But I'll come back to this later with something that will hopefully not disappoint.
Heavy Mole 11/15/20 (Sun) 03:31:58 No.1064491
I struggle with it. I would compare it to watching a 24-hour news cycle (something with which I've had some extra acquaintance the past few weeks). The same old story goes on, and on, and on; then there's a tiny development, and all the pundits are talking again, hammering home the same talking points. Like this type of news, it's an attention sink, and I have my own reel of headlines.
Unfortunately, there is no "trick" for it; one simply notices that one is doing it, and "makes the devil meditate". You can learn to be careful about some things. For example, thinking in terms of "types" of people is an inevitable habit, and typically deleterious to one's state of mind. A metaphor for this is the association of people with animals.
⛵ 11/15/20 (Sun) 03:39:07 No.1064492
>>1064471 straight to Tartarus
>>1064477 no worries
PseudoFox 11/15/20 (Sun) 13:46:24 No.1064567
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Meaning to be more active in this thread, aaaah, but yeah just want to give thanks for these:
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