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Starters as mid-relievers Strategy finally blows up
Corbin did not like pitching in relief. Photo via Arizona republic
The Nats had been getting lucky using Starters as middle relievers for years in the playoffs … and last night finally their luck caught up with them.
Here's a history (dating to our first playoff series in 2012) of using starters as middle relievers on their "throw days:"
2012 NLDS Game 4: Jordan Zimmermann pitches the 7th, strikes out the side.
2012 NLDS Game 5: Edwin Jackson pitches 1 inning, throws just 12 of 23 pitches for strikes, walks 2, gives up a hit and was lucky to escape only giving up 1 run.
2017 NLDS Game 5: Max Scherzer throws 1 inning, gives up 3 hits and a walk, gives up 4 runs (2 earned) to blow the lead in the deciding game.
2019 Wild Card: Stephen Strasburg throws 3 shutout innings to bridge the gap between Scherzer and Daniel Hudson.
2019 NLDS Game 2: Scherzer strikes out the side in one inning of relief of Strasburg
2019 NLDS Game 3: Patrick Corbin falls apart, give sup 6 runs in 2/3rds of an inning on 4 hits and 2 walks.
So, not exactly a proven strategy time and time again. Its hit or miss really. And, frankly, I might exclude the Strasburg effort because it was always set to be a multiple-inning effort; the rest of these appearances all fell into the "throw one max effort inning on my starter's in-between starts throw day" type outing.
This post may seem like hindsight is 20/20 criticism of the strategy … but its pretty easy to ask this simple question: if this is such a great strategy, then why don't we see it done in the regular season? I mean, we know the answer really (you don't want to tax your starters and just add on useless middle relief innings; that's what relievers are for) … but that's also my point: this is what relievers are for. You've got 8 guys in the frigging bullpen for the sole purpose of getting past the end of the night … but we can't trust a single one of them now? Is this now when the chickens come home to roost for the fact that Mike Rizzo cannot build a bullpen? Is this the end result for a team that's literally traded away 20 starting pitching prospects in the past few years, any one of whom could have been a home-grown relief alternative?
It looks amazing when Scherzer blows everyone away … but then it looks foolish when he coughs up 4 runs in a series decider.
So now we're going into Game 4 … and I'll bet dollars Davey Martinez is planning on throwing Strasburg in the 7th again (but I sure hope not if he's going in game 5).
I think my bigger criticism of the strategy last night was the early yanking of Anibal Sanchez. He left the game on 87 pitches, having struck out 9 through 5, and given up one run on 4 hits and 2 walks (both of which were in the first inning). I realize he's facing 4-5-6 for the third time … but this is the same guy who retired 20 straight Dodgers earlier this year. If he gets through 4-5-6 then he's got the bottom of the order in the 7th and you go to the bullpen then. Why pull him? I think that's the "over managing" that irritates me most. Its the same over managing that led to Zimmermann getting pulled at 8 2/3rds in the playoffs (and the Nats losing). Different managers, same issue.
Look, at the end of the day, maybe it was inevitable that the potent Dodgers lineup blasted its way to a 10 run outing. But the Nats had the early lead and had an effective starter on the mound. I just don't like deviating from whats working until you have to.
I like our chances in Game 4 behind an amped-up Scherzer … but who likes Corbin on the bump in game 5 now? Have the Dodgers figured him out? It sure seems like it. His MO seems to be to throw 91 on the black, then bounce sliders to get you to chase; well if you don't swing at balls that bounce in the dirt … you have a good shot of walking, as we've now seen displayed pretty frequently in the post-season.
I'm now hearing rumors of no Corbin game 5; instead Strasburg. Uh, sign me up! 28 post season innings and 2 earned runs. Yeah; throw that guy. but we have to get there first.
October 7th, 2019 at 10:20 am
Posted in Majors Pitching,Nats in General,Post Season
Tagged with anibal sanchez, daniel hudson, davey martinez, edwin jackson, jordan zimmermann, max scherzer, patrick corbin, stephen strasburg
Spring Training 2019 NRI Discussion
Kieboom is probably the surest NRI thing in 2019. Photo via PerfectGame
The Nationals, on the eve of spring training, announced their list of Non-Roster Invitees (NRIs) for 2019.
RHP — Henderson Alvarez, Aaron Barrett, Scott Copeland, Wil Crowe, J.J. Hoover, Ronald Peña
LHP — Vidal Nuño
C —Tres Barrera, Taylor Gushue
INF —Luis Garcia , Carter Kieboom, Jose Marmolejos, Jake Noll, Matt Reynolds, Brandon Snyder, Jacob Wilson
OF — Hunter Jones, Chuck Taylor
Now, before you say "who cares" here's some stats. In the last four seasons:
5 NRIs made the 25-man roster straight out of Spring Training (and Guthrie technically made it 6 since he got called up a few days later and was always intended to be the 5th starter in 2017)
18 NRIs eventually played for the MLB team at some point that same season.
So its likely that we're going to see these NRIs at some point in the future. Like, on average at least 4-5 of these NRIs are going to play for this team in 2019.
So lets squint and make some predictions.
Do any of these guys stand a chance at making the Opening day roster? Yeah maybe. I think a couple of the relievers (especially Nuno) have a real shot at the bullpen if they perform in Florida. Three of the seven guys I'm projecting to the MLB bullpen have options remaining (Barraclough, Suero and Glover), the team only really has one legit lefty in the pen (Grace) and may end up carrying 8 relievers through some roster chicanery early on.
Do any of these guys project to feature at all in 2019? Absolutely: I think Alvarez, Hoover, Nuno, Reynolds, and Snyder in particular seem likely to get call-ups to cover for injury, unless they exercise opt-outs. Reynolds is one of the few SS capable guys in the high minors, Snyder could be Zimmerman or Adams injury coverage, and Alvarez could get the call to provide spot starts if in-house options like Fedde continue to struggle at the MLB level.
Who among these guys project to eventually get on the 40-man? The top-end prospects on this list for sure: Crowe, Garcia, Kieboom, Barrera and perhaps Gushue all seem likely to eventually make the 40-man.
NRI Details by year, in case you were wondering…
Summary of NRIs from ST 2018: 21 NRIs total:
One (1) made the 25-man roster out of spring: Miguel Montero
Four (4) eventually got added and called up: Tim Collins, Moises Sierra, Jimmy Cordero, Spencer Kieboom. Special Mention to Edwin Jackson, who opted out of Washington then excelled for Oakland later in 2018).
Zero (0) others have since been added to 40-man
Zero (0) made the 25-man roster out of spring (though technically one kinda was; see next).
Five (5) eventually got added and called up (Jeremy Guthrie, Matt Albers, Grant Green, Jacob Turner and Andrew Stevenson): Guthrie was the 5th starter, stashed in XST for a few days before his ill-fated debut.
Five (5) have since been added to 40-man (Erick Fedde, Taylor Hill, Kyle McGowin, Wander Suero, Tim Collins)
Summary of NRIs from ST 2016: 20 NRIs total (plus perhaps a couple more that got signed late):
Two (2) made the 25-man roster: (Chris Heisey and as noted in the comments, thanks for the correction, Matt Belisle).
Two (2) eventually got added and called up (Lucas Giolito, Sean Burnett)
Two (2) have since been added to 40-man (Matt Skole, Austin Voth)
Two (2) made the 25-man roster out of spring (Dan Uggla and Clint Robinson)
Two (2) others eventually got added and called up (Rafael Martin and Emmanuel Burriss)
Two (2) others were young catchers since added to the 40-man (Spencer Kieboom, Pedro Severino)
(I believe the above analysis is correct; feel free to comment if i've missed someone. this is a bit tougher to keep track of b/c the team often signs MLFAs mid-spring then technically gives them NRIs … especially for Vets, and I may miss some from the original announcements).
Tagged with aaron barrett, andrew stevenson, austin voth, brandon synder, carter kieboom, chris heisey, chuck taylor, clint robinson, dan uggla, edwin jackson, emmanuel burriss, erick fedde, grant green, henderson alvarez, hunter jones, jacob turner, jacob wilson, jake noll, jeremy guthrie, jimmy cordero, jj h oover, jose marmolejos, koda glover, kyle barraclough, kyle mcgowin, lucas giolito, luis garcia, matt adams, matt albers, matt belisle, matt reynolds, matt skole, miguel montero, moises sierra, pedro severino, rafael martin, ronald pena, ryan zimmerman, scott copeland, sean burnett, spencer kieboom, taylor gushue, taylor hill, tim collins, tres barrera, vidal nuno, wander suero, wil crowe
Ask Collier 2/1/19
Taylors days may be numbered. (AP Photo/Nick Wass via nbcsports.com)
Another week passing with barely any FA movement, and another set of questions taken by Jamal Collier.
Big Nats news of the week seems to be the team beating Michael A. Taylor in arbitration … over $250k. That's 1/10th of 1% of their team payroll, for context. I *hate* it when teams go to arbitration battle with their players; by all accounts the team basically trashes the player in the presentation, making all the arguments about why they're NOT worth the salary. I think it completely poisons the relationship between player and management. The Nats under prior management used to do this constantly; they were among the league leaders for years in arbitration cases. This is the 5th arb case that I believe Mike Rizzo has argued in the 10 years he's been in charge. Here's the previous cases the team has argued:
2006: Alfonso Soriano. After acquiring him they immediately went to war with him … which was only a precursor to the Spring Training war, basically forcing him to play the OF. Great way to treat your team's best player. Asked for $12M, got #10M when the club beat him, and he left via FA after the season.
2007: Chad Cordero: Cordero beat the Nats in Arb over $500k difference. The team and player were able to come to a pre-arb agreement in 2008 but Cordero's days were numbered.
2007 John Patterson: The team and Patterson were way, way off (1.8M vers 1M); the club won, then releaesd Patterson before the season had even started.
2008: Felipe Lopez: the club beat Lopez over $300k … then released him mid-season.
2009: Shawn Hill; went to battle again over $275k … then released him in the spring before they had to pay a dime.
2010: Sean Burnett: went to battle over $150k. That's right: 150,000, one of the smallest argument values I can find in the last decade. Club won.
2010: Brian Bruney: just after acquiring the guy (similar to this year's Kyle Barraclough situation) they immediately argued against him in arbitration and won. Bruney never contributed in a meaningful way and the team cut him loose in May. I thought at the time he was suffering from a "Bruised Ego" as the source of his crummy performance, but he didn't pitch any better the next year for the White Sox and was soon out of the league.
2012: John Lannan, who the club beat to only pay him $5M versus $5.7M … then immediately relegated him to AAA for most of the season. He made 33 starts for Washington in 2011 … then 24 starts for Syracuse in 2012. What an insult. Unsurprisingly, he was non-tendered before the 2013 season.
2015: Jerry Blevins, who beat the team for $200k … and was then dumped in trade a few weeks later in what I read at the time (and still believe) as an act of petulance from Rizzo.
We havn't had an arb hearing since the 2015 debacle. But now it seems like the team will battle not once but twice.
Of these 10 hearings (including the Taylor hearing): here's some interesting stats:
Club has won 7 of the 10 hearings
Seven of the Nine players that went to arbitration were GONE from the team (one way or another) that same season. Most of them cut either in spring training or quickly there-after.
So, it doesn't bode well for Taylor or Barraclough's future the fact that they're arguing against the team.
Lets get to the questions.
Q: How are the Nationals matching up against the rest of the division this 2019 season?
A: What, you can't read the papers? Here's the summary:
Nats have filled every hole they had and spent more than 14 other teams combined this off-season. They've conservatively added 10-12 "wins" and are projecting on Fangraphs to win the division.
Braves have grown a very solid core and did a little FA work on the edges, but have no reason not to repeat what they did last year. They're only projecting to a $122M payroll, and that's AFTER signing Josh Donaldson to a $23M one year deal.
Phillies have signed a couple guys, but already had a fully formed rotation and still have $50M of room. But they could still land one of the two big FAs and improve quickly.
Mets have made some odd choices (acquiring Robinson Cano), have a ton of payroll just to Cano and Cespedes, and have completely re-made their bullpen. Are they contenders?
Marlins continue to be a dumpster fire, projecting to spend just $84M in 2019.
So i'm predicting Nats win division, Braves to WC, Phillies just miss out but still win 88 games, Mets go about .500 and Marlins lose 105 games. Its going to be the most competitive division in the game.
Collier predicts a competitive division with four teams actually trying. That's refreshing.
Q: What are the Nationals' needs? Do they need left-handed bullpen help and maybe a utility player?
A: In an ideal situation sure they'd love more Lefty bullpen options. But they're kinda out of cash. They could also use rotation insurance, but looking at the list of starters still available (nearly 20 who had MLB starts last year, several of whom could improve nearly any rotation in the game) I doubt we'll be able to spin a MLB deal for any of them.
Collier agrees, thinks the bench is fine.
Q: I would rather have another pitcher like Dallas Keuchel or even Wade Miley, and let Harper go. What do you think?
A: well, this guy clearly missed the news, b/c Miley is already gone (to Houston, improving them to be at least a top 10 rotation now if not slightly better). But this asker also clearly doesn't know just how close to the luxury tax the team is.
If you're going to go over … then frigging go over. Sign Keuchel, sign another loogy, blow past the cap by $20M, Sign Harper, blow payes st it by $50M. It seemed to do pretty well for Boston last year.
I don't think there's a team in the league that wouldn't like having Keuchel in the fold (maybe the Cubs or Indians); certainly Keuchel would be an upgrade over Joe Ross for us.
All this being said … the tea leaves say one thing to me pretty clearly; Harper is gone, the team has already moved on. Is this even a discusCollsion?
Collier notes they're about $11M under the cap, have indicated pretty frequently they intend to stay below it, and
Q: With the injury history regarding Stephen Strasburg, Patrick Corbin and Ross, is it possible there will be a six-man rotation instead of five?
A: So, on the one hand its true that no team can go 162 games without having to rely on additional starters…. but it'd be stupid to go to a 6-man rotation with a bunch of veterans like what the Nats are projecting. This isn't high school; these guys are trained professionals, highly paid, and are conditioned to pitch ever 5 days.
What is true is this: our 6th, 7th and 8th depth chart starters WILL get starts. So while it'd be awesome to have a ton of depth … you have to store it somewhere. So project Erick Fedde and Austin Voth and some veteran 35-yr old MLFA hanging on for one more shot to contribute in 2019.
Collier says the same thing about routines.
Q; Any word yet on non-roster invitees to Spring Training?
A: Yes; there's going to be a few of them. Some of them will look great. A couple will stick around. In fact, we do an annual post here every year about NRIs who make it. Here was 2018s http://www.nationalsarmrace.com/?p=15657 and 2017's: http://www.nationalsarmrace.com/?p=13409 .
Last year, 1 NRI made the team out of spring, another 4 played for the team in the 2018 season, and Edwin Jackson was an NRI for us and excelled for Oakland.
So, NRIs are important.
Collier notes a couple of specific NRI arms who may very well be options to make the bullpen at the expense of someone like Sammy Solis.
Tagged with alfonso soriano, austin voth, brian bruney, chad cordero, chad coreero, dallas keuchel, ean burnett, edwin jackson, erick fedde, felipe lopez, jamal collier, jerry blevins, joe ross, john lannan, john patterson, josh donaldson, kyle barraclough, michael a taylor, mike rizzo, patrick corbin, robinson cano, sammy solis, sean burnett, shawn hills, stephen strasburg, wade miley, yoenis cespedes
Ask Collier 1/11/19
Harper Harper Harper. Photo Evan Habeeb-USA TODAY Sports
On deadline day for doing arbitration contracts, MLB beat reporter Jamal Collier did a mailbag. Its been a notable week with more Bryce Harper rumors and the Nats running their payroll right up to the limits of the Luxury tax cap with the Brian Dozier signing.
Here's the questions he took:
Q: Harper is on my mind. Spring Training is days away. Aren't the guys worried about will happen? No way they can be just "whatever," right? Especially if he ends up in Philly?
A: If they can't figure out from the slew of Mike Rizzo moves what the team's intention is with Bryce Harper by now … well maybe a sledgehammer would be more subtle. Its mid January and Rizzo has made 8 moves that should impact the opening day 25-man roster and another 2-3 that may be impactful down the road. He's now got the payroll north of $190M.
So what if he goes to Philly? I think the whole "don't trade within the division" is nonsense. Yeah we'll see him a lot. But its a closed loop; he has to go to one of the 30 teams in the league, and we are bound to see him no matter who he plays for. There's 30 teams, and only half of them are even frigging trying to win right now, and then halve that again for those who even have payroll room to compete for Harper (or Machado). And Philly is one of them.
As far as "the guys" … are you talking about his team-mates? Well one of two things would be true about his teammates:
They hate his guts and are like, "good riddance."
They are his fellow union members and want him to get every dollar possible because their union so royally screwed them selves in the last couple of CBA negotiations.
Collier notes that his fellow players know this is "part of the business" that Harper may eventually leave, and that he's been a national figure since he was 16.
Q: If Harper re-signed with the Nationals, how would they work the outfield? Would Victor Robles start the season in Minors? Or would they trade Eaton?
A: You'd have to trade Adam Eaton. And you'd be trading low. You can't move Juan Soto … he's making MLB Min and could be an MVP candidate. You really shouldn't move Victor Robles; he's supposed to be a *better* prospect than Soto, so you're hoping for 4-5 win performance for (again) MLB min salary. These are the kinds of players you keep when you're trying to win. Putting Robles in the minors would be an absolute waste, and if that was their plan then i'd advocate attempting to flip him as a centerpiece for a top 20 player in the league (like a Corey Kluber or something).
Collier agrees.
Q: If Harper returns, how does it change how the team will handle Anthony Rendon negotiations?
A: Hmm. That's a good question, because despite the fact that Anthony Rendon dropped in the draft over injury questions he's actually been pretty solid as a pro. I liken Rendon's reputation and capabilities to Adrian Beltre; fantastic defender, sneaky good at the plate, and suddenly you look up and he's put up a hall of fame career.
Will that translate into a $200m salary? Probably not. But Rendon is no dummy, and neither is his agent Scott Boras.
That being said … can the Nats do this whole "stars and scrubs" thing for ever? If you have 5-6 guys on high 8-figure salaries (Scherzer, Strasburg, Corbin, Harper, Rendon) can you put a good enough team behind them?
I personally think Rendon is an incredibly important player for this team, even if he isn't that high a profile. And because he's not high profile, I think you can get him for $20M/year or something like that on a longer term deal, which would be a steal value-wise. I hope committing money to Harper doesn't close the door on a Rendon negotiation.
Collier says …. he has no idea, nor does Rizzo.
Q: How should we look at 2019 Dozier replacing '18 Daniel Murphy? Both are above-average offensive second baseman with liability at fielding. Is this an upgrade, downgrade or equal move?
A: Absolutely an upgrade; Daniel Murphy had negative bWAR last year while even playing through injury Brian Dozier contributed. If Dozier is healthy and performs at his 2015-2016 level again … watch out this is one of the steal signings of the off-season.
Collier basically agrees and gives good contextual numbers.
Q: Do you think Washington will add a starter? If it does, I think Wade Miley is fine.
A: I think they will … but not a guy to replace Joe Ross in the rotation. I think they'll be looking for MLFAs with 5/1 or 6/1 buy-outs, like Edwin Jackson or Tommy Milone signings last year. I can't see them breaking the luxury tax for a 5th starter.
Collier agrees, remembering that the team has already signed Henderson Alvarez for just such reasons.
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Nats Pitching depth to now be tested…
It sounds like its Fedde-time. Photo via minorleagueball.com
Well, we can't really seem to go a season without a Stephen Strasburg injury … and this annual affair hit us over the weekend, with Strasburg looking ineffective, getting pulled, going for an MRI and quickly hitting the 10-day D/L with "right shoulder inflammation."
This comes on the quick heels of two other SP issues for this team:
miracle MLFA off-season signing Jeremy Hellickson yanking his hamstring and exiting precisely one batter into his friday start, also hitting the D/L.
Off-season SP depth re-signing Edwin Jackson opting out of his minor league deal and departing the team (he signed with Oakland soon after).
So, it seemed like we could stand the absence of Hellickson thanks to the schedule over the next week and a half (plenty of off-days and no need for a 5th starter), and since his injury is listed as "mild" meaning he may only miss the minimum time … but with the loss of Strasburg we'll need to reach into our depth. So who's getting the call?
(oh, btw on top of this, on 6/9/18 Brandon Knitzler strained his forearm and seems likely to be at least unavailable for a bit, if not on his way to the D/L too, so they're needing reinforcements stat. He was officially put on the D/L just after posting this on 6/10/18, resulting in both Trevor Gott and Wander Suero getting their tickets for a DC return…).
We've now seen all three of our non-active roster 40-man starters get MLB action this year … and they looked promising enough to have the loss of Jackson or even the presence of Tommy Milone in AAA seem like after-thoughts. So who gets the call to cover for Strasburg? Options:
Erick Fedde: got one spot-start this year and looked solid: he gave up 3 runs in 5 2/3rds but pitched a lot better than his stat line. He hasn't looked as great for Syracuse; a 4.76 ERA and a 1.48 whip showing how he's giving up too many base-runners. Do you believe what you saw in the majors, or look at his AAA line for the year? His most recent start: in Gwinnet, 5 1/3, 2runs, 9Ks but 10hits allowed.
Austin Voth: has turned his career around, going from "next guy to get DFA'd" to a MLB call-up earlier this year (he did not appear). His AAA ERA of 4.35 is a bit inflated; he's giving up less than a hit/inning. He had two bad outings in a row just after his call up/send-back, giving up 12 ER in 2 innings … but his last out ing (6/6/18) was stellar; 7IP, 4hits, 6Ks, 0 walks, 0 runs. That's the kind of stat line GMs like to see.
Jefry Rodriguez: he was thrown into action when Hellickson went down and did awesome: 4 2/3 scoreless innings in his MLB debut. Can't ask for more than that. He's been good for AA Harrisburg this year; 12 starts, 3.57ERA, a bit wild though (24 walks in 63 innings). Its interesting that he's gotten MLB time but has yet to get pushed to AAA; perhaps they're waiting for the typical Nats mid-season shuffle. His most recent outing? 6/9/18: 5ip, 1 hit and just 65 pitches thrown (a hint? why would he have gotten yanked so quickly?)
You have to think it'll be Fedde first. Maybe what they do is promote Fedde, move Rodriguez to AAA. Then if you need a second starter … it seems like Rodriguez has jumped Voth in the pecking order and is next in line.
It isn't a very opportune time for this sudden loss of their second ace; their next nine games are AL East interleague play … which will be tough games even though both Toronto and Baltimore are struggling. After that they get 6 games versus Philly interspersed with five more AL East games (including three at home against Boston) … so this might be a pretty crucial stage for this team. Lets hope our depth stands up.
Posted in Majors Pitching
Tagged with austin voth, braondon knitzler, edwin jackson, erick fedde, jefry rodriguez, jeremy hellickson, stephen strasburg, tommy milone, trevor gott, wander surero
Someone is finally doing it: Tampa using "Openers" instead of "Starters"
Sergio Romo; Tampa's new #3 starter. And #4 starter sometimes … photo via Zimbio.
The Tampa Bay Rays, thanks to a run of injuries to their starting rotation this spring, and perhaps a bit of typical organizational ingenuity, are doing something this year that has a lot of people talking; they're essentially using a closer-quality pitcher to start games, get through the top of the opposing team's order the first time, then hands it over to the real "starter" (or in most cases longer man) who pitches a typical starter-length outing.
They seem to be sticking to conventional outings for their two best starters (Chris Archer and Blake Snell) even now, but spring training elbow injuries to planned starters Brett Honeywell and Jose De Leon (both Tommy John surguries), plus recent injuries to #3 starter Jake Faria, Yonny Chirinos (not Laurel Chirinos!) and Nathan Eovaldi and a lack of upper-end SP prospects has led them to this point.
This strategy is getting put to its biggest test over the Memorial Day weekend series they have with Baltimore, announcing that they'll be "starting" relievers all three games.
So far this season, they've used the strategy at least twice; with Sergio Romo starting on back to back nights.
5/20/18: Romo pitches the first and strikes out the side before handing off to starter Ryan Yarborough, who pitches 6+ and gets the win.
5/21/18: Romo, going back to back nights, faces the first 6 batters; walks two, gets the other four out, zero runs; the rest of the game is a bullpen game, but the team loses to Shohei Ohtani and the Angels.
Of course, reaction to the moves is already as you'd expect it to be, given our current climate of hot-take/knee jerk reactions. You've got "get off my lawn" types talking about how this isn't "good for the game." You've got Joel Sherman (who has been around the sport long enough to know what they're doing) calling the strategy "Bizarre." And you've got progressive types like Houston's A.J. Hinch praising the move.
So, what do I think of this?
Well …. honestly this is the natural evolution of the trend towards specialized relievers that we've been seeing lately. A mediocre/failed starter can be converted to a highly valuable reliever by just having them throw harder and focus on mastering two pitches instead of attempting to master three or four, and it happens All The Time. See Rivera, Mariano and Eckersley, Dennis for hall of fame exhibits A and B here (ok .. to be fair Eckersley was by no means a failed starter … but he would not be in Cooperstown had he not become a dominant closer).
Well, what if you had an entire roster of specialized relievers instead of spending tens of millions of dollars on a rotation?
Take the Nats: our top four starters this year are earning north of $80M this season. What if you had spread that $80M around on a bunch of closer/near-closer types, the kinds of guys who go for significantly less per annum? What if you had an entire team of guys like Ryan Madsen ($7.6M) or Sean Doolittle ($4.3M) or Brandon Knitzler ($5.5M). Heck, why not load up y our team with pre-arb guys like Sammy Solis ($560k) and Matt Grace ($557k) and spend that $80M on improving the out-field players?
I've often wondered if a team couldn't just have essentially 12 relievers and would basically turn every game into a bullpen game. What if you deployed your staff kind of like this:
Three "Closer" quality guys (like our Doolittle)
Three solid RH 7th/8th inning types like Madsen and Kelley.
Three left-handed match-up guys (Solis, Grace)
Three long-men types who could soak up innings but who can't turn over a lineup more than twice (kind of like Jeremy Hellickson but perhaps more like a 4-A starter, or what Edwin Jackson is doing in AAA).
You take half this squad and they're the A-team; that gives you 5-6 arms to pitch the first game of the week. Then, they all get a break and the other 5-6 arms get the next game. In a typical week every reliever then gets three to four days off with off-games and off-days. The long-men only go every two days, since you're asking them to do 3-4 innings, but still get plenty of rest. So a pattern of games could look like this:
Game 1: Closer1 pitches the 1st, RH1 and LH1 combine to pitch 2nd and 3rd. Longman1 comes in and throws 4th through the 7th. Then depending on where you are in the game he returns for the 8th or you go to your RH2/LH2 guy before handing off to Closer2 in the 9th. So that's 5 to 6 arms used in the first game.
Game 2: Closer3 starts. RH3 throws next two innings. Longman2 throws innings 4-7. LH3 finishes it out, perhaps throwing Closer1 a second day in a row if need be.
Game 3: Closer2 starts. Perhaps you go right to Longman3 for a 5 inning stint. Back to RH1 and LH1 for the 7th/8th, then either let these guys do a 2 inning stint or go back to Closer3 for back-to-backs to finish the game.
So the workload for a 3-game series goes like this:
Closers: 2 innings each with an off-day
RH guys: 2-3 innings each with an off-day
LH guys: 2-3 innings each with an off-day
Long-men: 3-4 innings each with two off-days
That's basically 27 innings across three games, assuming your middle relievers throw a couple of 2-inning stints in there, or one of your long-men does 4 innings instead of three.
Tell me why this wouldn't work? Everyone gets a ton of rest, and if you burn out one of your longmen you just call up re-inforcements from AAA to do mop-up games here and there. You always have a closer going against the top of the order in the first inning, then you try to work it out so that you can do match-ups the next time they come up with a 7th/8th inning quality guy. The best hitters on the other team will eventually get a shot at your "long man…" but under this plan, they're getting four at bats generally against four different arms. That's going to give the advantage to the pitcher every time; batters don't get to study up the opposing starter every night for research; they're going to be seeing gas, trick pitches and one-trick ponies that have ridiculous BAAs and BABIPs thanks to their specialty.
So, who would love this?
Owners. no more 9-figure contracts for starters who have like a 50% injury rate.
Some Pitchers: more opportunities for guys who just couldn't cut it as starters but who crush it as releivers.
Who wouldn't like this?
High end starters: less jobs, less demand for you. Maybe. I mean, right now Tampa is sticking with their two solid starters and only doing this for the other slots. Maybe a team with two Aces like the nats just lets them roll normally then does this kind of bullpen game the other three games out of five.
Any baseball fan born before 1970, since they hate any change, any game modification. I mean come on, there's people demanding that we ban the shift (including the commissioner).
The Players union; you'd have to think salaries would plummet
Maybe most every baseball fan? Offense drives fan interest … and this plan is specifically designed to neutralize the opposing team's best hitters.
Tagged with aj hinch, blake snell, brandon knitzler, brett honeywell, chris archer, dennis eckersley, edwin jackson, jake faria, jeremy hellickson, joel sherman, jose de leon, mariano rivera, matt grace, nathan eovaldi, ryan madsen, ryan yarborough, sammy solis, sean doolittle, sergio romo, shohei ohtani, yonny chirinos
Minor League Staffs – one month check-in
Voth has completely remade his career in less than a month. Photo mlb.com official
I havn't been doing regular check-ins with the minor league staffs for a few years, but I have always maintained little "cheat sheet" notes on the staffs of the levels day in/day out (thanks in no small part to the daily work of Luke Erickson over at Nationals Prospects of course).
It occurred to me, doing updates this week, that the four full season rotations have been about as stable as I can ever remember them this year. So I thought i'd do a quick swing through the four staffs, with quick notes on who has looked good or bad and what we may see in terms of movement going forward.
Syracuse (stats link here: http://web.milb.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?t=t_ibp&cid=552&stn=true&sid=t552)
Opening day rotation: Voth, Milone*, Fedde, EJackson, Vargas
Current rotation: Milone*, Voth, Fedde, EJackson, Vargas
spot starts/swingman: Simms, Goforth
bullpen: Collins*, Cordero, CSmith, Miller, Adams, Valdez
promotions: Torres, Gott, Suero
up-and-back: Adams, Voth
demotions: Long,
dl/restricted/TIL: Barrett, Satterwhite
Rotation thoughts: A month in and the only change we've seen to the AAA rotation was the flipping of Milone and Voth thanks to Voth's brief call-up earlier this week. Voth has absolutely re-made his career so far this year, going from possible "first man to be DFA'd" off the 40-man to a guy who is forcing his way into the conversation the next time the Nats need a starter. For May he's posted a 0.76 ERA, a 0.68 WHIP, has a 30/3 K/BB ratio in 23 innings and has given up just 13 hits. Man, is he found gold for a team who has traded away an awful lot of pitching prospects over the past couple of seasons?
The veteran insurance policies Jackson and Milone are both pitching about as I'd expect them to be: Milone slightly better, with better base-runner control, Jackson with more wildness and worse stats. Erick Fedde has not been either good or bad, giving up a hit an inning and maintaining a 4-1 K-BB ratio but not showing any real dominance. My guess is that he'll be sticking in AAA for a while.
The last guy in the rotation may be the most interesting: Cesar Vargas was a low-key spring MLFA signing after bouncing around San Diego's system last year. He's come out in 2018 looking serviceable and might be putting himself ahead of the veterans in the pecking order.
Bullpen thoughts: John Simms has looked great in a long-man role. He's quietly been serviceable at every level in his journey upwards and you have to wonder if he'll eventually push for a 9/1 call up. Most of the rest of the bullpen is too SSS to make real judgements, though we have seen three relievers get pushed to the majors right now (Torres, Gott, Suero) and fourth who was up and is now in AAA (Adams). Cordero still shows the same issues that have plagued him for a while; he's got 16/8 K/BB in 11 innings. Barrett remains with the system and we hope he can get back to his former self; he'd certainly help out at the MLB level.
Who is making a push for promotion? Voth
Who is in jeopardy of a demotion (or worse): Smith, Cordero
Harrisburg (stats = http://www.milb.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?t=t_ibp&did=milb&cid=547)
Opening day rotation: Dragmire, JRodriguez, Darnell*, LReyes, Estevez
Current Rotation: Dragmire, JRodriguez, Long, LReyes, Estevez
spot starts/swingman: AWilliams, Darnell*
bullpen: Fleck, Guillon*, BHarper*, RMendez, Self, Ames
promotions: Valdez
dl/restricted: Brinley, Bacus
Missing from 2017: NLee*
Rotation thoughts: The only substantive change in the rotation from the first pass through was to replace Darnell with Long. Dragmire and Jefry Rodriguez have both excelled thus far, though Rodriguez's stats look more like a guy who might be pressing for promotion (more Ks, fewer hits). Dragmire is showing more of what he displayed last year at AA and he may need the additional challenge of AAA soon. Estevez and Reyes are not faring as well thus far, with elevated ERAs and WHIPs. And Long, upon his demotion from AAA, has been poor in his three AA starts, with just 6 punch-outs and a 1.85 WHIP in 13 innings. Rodriguez seems like the first starter in line for promotion.
Bullpen thoughts: Austen Williams has looked great since getting moved out of the rotation. Kaleb Fleck has some interesting stats: he's got an 18/1 K/BB ratio in 10 innings but has an ugly 5.91 ERA (I'm sure his FIP is like 3 points lower). Fleck is too good for AA; he spent all last year in AAA and isn't proving anything here. Bryan Harper's return from injury is going ok .. he's got nearly a 2.00 WHIP though. Long serving Nats farmhand Dakota Bacus got shelled in four appearances and currently sits on the D/L; he had excellent numbers in 2017 but is getting a bit long in the tooth for AA and I wonder if he's running out of time. One big name still sits in XST: Nick Lee, who looked promising before injuries derailed his progress.
Who is making a push for promotion? Fleck, JRodriguez, AWilliams
Who is in jeopardy of a demotion (or worse): Bacus
(stats link: http://www.milb.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?t=t_ibp&did=milb&cid=436)
opening day rotation: Crownover*, Sharp, Baez, Mapes, Crowe
starters: Crownover*, Sharp, Baez, ?, Crowe
spot starts/swingmen: Pantoja, Howard*, Guilbeau*, McGowin
bullpen: JMills*, Bourque, Klobosits, RPena, Peterson, Rivera
demotions: Fuentes
dl/restricted: Borne*, Mapes
Missing: Romero*
Rotation thoughts: The only change to the opening day rotation literally happened yesterday, with Mapes dropping to the D/L and (likely) McGowin (freshly taken off the AA D/L and demoted to Potomac) likely to take his place. Mapes has the best starter ERA … but the worst WHIP. Crownover may have the nicest looking stat line, with a nifty 28/4 K/BB ratio and solid peripherals. Perhaps the most important high-A arm may be Wil Crowe and so far he's more than handling high-A; the 2017 2nd rounder has a great whip, good ratios and is looking like an excellent draft pick. Baez and Sharp fill out the rest of the rotation; both showing mid 4 ERAs and not really being good enough or bad enough to comment on thus far. The one big notable missing name here is Seth Romero, who should be featuring in this rotation as we speak but instead apparently still sits not at XST but at home in Houston. Its hard to prove the "i told you so" guys wrong when it literally took less than a season for his well-publicized maturity issues to come to the forefront.
Bullpen thoughts: Some good and some bad in the bullpen; Rivera and Howard have gotten dinged so far, while Bourque, Mills and Pantoja look solid. Bourque in particular now boasts a 22/4 K/BB ratio in 12 relief innings; like that ratio. 36th rounder Klobosits still looking solid; how exactly was he still around that late in the draft if he's already succeeding in high-A?
Who is making a push for promotion? Bourque
Who is in jeopardy of a demotion (or worse): Rivera perhaps
Hagerstown (stats = http://www.milb.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?t=t_ibp&did=milb&cid=563
Opening day rotation: BHill/Braymer*, Raquet*/Acevedo, Tetreault/Bogucki, Alastre/Troop*, Stoeckinger*/Johnston
Current rotation: Troop*, Raquet*, Acevedo, Tetreault, Alastre, Stoeckinger*
spot starts/swingman: Johnston, Bogucki, Held, Braymer*
bullpen: McKinney, Brasher, Fuentes
promotions: Guilbeau*
dl/restricted: Howell, BHill
Cut/Released/FA from 2017: Engelbrekt (retired)
missing from 2017/XST: YRamirez*, DeRosier, CPena, Simonds, Barnett*, Morse, Dickey, WDavis,
Rotation thoughts: It was clear to this observer that the first few turns through the rotation were in the "tandem starter" configuration, with each of the names in the "opening rotation" throwing roughly 3-4 innings each. That has now settled into the current 6-man rotation, all of which now seem to be getting the lion's share of the innings each time through. Of the "starters," only really Raquet has acquitted himself well, though i'm concerned about the lack of swing and miss in his game (19/8 K/BB ratio in 27 innings supporting a 2.28 ERA and a 1.05 whip). The rest of the starters are struggling: Stoeckinger hasn't walked a soul yet in 24 innings … .but has given up 37 hits for an ugly 7.50 ERA. Tetreault, Alastre and Acevedo each have ERAs north of 7.00. Troop and Hill (both 2017 top-10 round draftees) have been less bad but have room for improvement.
The "tandem" starters have been a different story though. Bogucki and Braymer each have been solid, with Braymer sporting a 23/2 K/BB ratio and a 0.81 WHIP and Bogucki sporting a 20/3 K/BB ratio. I wonder how long it'll be before these guys become the "starters" instead of the "finishers."
Bullpen thoughts: There's really only a couple of real "relievers" in Low-A, but one of them has been quite solid. McKinney has a 14/1 K/BB ratio in just 8 2/3 innings and has yet to give up an earned run.
There's still a slew of guys technically in "XST" or assigned to the Short-A roster who could fill in here, most of whom have prior Low-A experience and could contribute.
Who is making a push for promotion? Braymer, Bogucki, McKinney
Who is in jeopardy of a demotion (or worse): Acevedo, Alastre
That's a quick run through the systems. Did anyone want to point out someone in particular who they think needs to be talked about?
Posted in Minor League Pitching,Minor League Rotation Reviews
Tagged with aaron barrett, aj bogucki, alex troop, austen williams, austin adams, austin voth, ben braymer, brady dragmire, brigham hill, bryan harper, carlos acevedo, carlos torres, cesar vargas, chris smith, dakota bacus, dustin mcgowin, edwin jackson, erick fedde, gabe klobosits, hayden howard, jackson stoeckinger, james bourque, jefry rodriguez, jeremy mckinney, jimmy cordero, joan baez, john simms, jordan mills, jorge pantoja, kaleb fleck, logan darnell, luis reyes, mariano rivera jr, matthew crownover, nick lee, nick raquet, seth romero, sterling sharp, tetreau, tomas alastre, tommy milone, trevor gott, tyler mapes, wander suero, wil crowe, wirkin estevez
From Nats to Oblivion; Updated for 2017 season and 2018 Early Season appearances/assignments
Guthrie newest member of the "Oblivion" club. Photo via si.com
Note: this is a recurring post, and large chunks of the older material is recycled. I've updated the research for older players as needed (the 2015, 2016, and 2017 players; none of the earlier players had any updates/changes), getting 2017 season updates for everyone on this list still playing, plus 2018 assignments and whether or not they've already removed themselves from this list. See here for the 2017 version, 2015 version, 2014's version, 2013's version, and 2012's version of this post, though honestly everything from those posts that's still relevant is updated here.
Even though I know most of this data is repeated from last year, I still find myself reading the whole way down just for a crazy trip down memory lane each time I do this post. And that remains true today, in 2018, reading back to some of the crazy names from our team's past.
Background behind this post: many years ago (November 2010) Mark Zuckerman initially posted a fascinating analysis he titled "From Nats to Oblivion." It chronicled the astoundingly high number of players that the early incarnations of the Nats were using who, once the Nats released them, never again appeared in a MLB game. I thought the analysis was so interesting that I kept up the same data and have been keeping it up-to-date with the whereabouts of Nats-to-Oblivion candidates ever since. So with apologies to Zuckerman for stealing his original idea, here's an interesting visit to the Nats darker past.
It is nearly impossible for a team to field an entire year's worth of players who will not fall into this "Oblivion" category. Every MLB team has guys playing out the string or near retirement, and every MLB team calls up guys through out the season from the minors who eventually show themselves as unable to compete on the MLB level and who never make it back. So a 0% oblivion measure isn't a goal. The best this team has done is 4 players (the 2013 team). I don't think the 2015 team will get that low, and I'm not sure the 2016 team will get that low either.
For your reminiscing pleasure, here is the summary data updated to the 2016 team:
2017: 25 position, 24 pitchers, 49 total. 10/49 = 20.4% candidate ratio
2016: 19 position, 24 pitchers, 43 total. 4/43 = 9.3% candidate ratio
2015: 20 position, 24 pitcher, 44 total. 7/44 = 15.9% candidate ratio
2014: 22 position, 18 pitchers, 40 total. 5/40 = 12.5% never appeared again
2013: 23 position, 21 pitchers, 44 total. 3/44 = 6.8% never appeared again
2010: 20 position, 26 pitchers, 46 total. 12/46 = 26.0% never appeared again
2008: 25 position, 25 pitchers, 50 total. 8/50 = 16% never appeared again
2006: 28 position, 29 pitchers, 57 total. 20/57 = 35% never appeared again
Look at the 2006 season; 35% of the players who played for the team that year never played another Major League game. That's still astounding to me. Interestingly, the 2017 Nats have a high likelihood of ending up with the largest percentage of oblivion candidates since the bad old days of 2007. Why? Because 1) the team shuffled its bench bats a ton after the Adam Eaton injury and 2) the amazing shift in MLB economics basically removing the job market for pretty much every mid-30s veteran hitter irrespective of their hitting ability.
Read on for a detailed look back at some of the very bad players that have put in significant time for this team.
2017: (10 leading candidates right now)
Total players used: 25 position players, 24 pitchers, 49 total players. 10/49 = 20.4% candidate ratio right now.
Candidates: They are listed in the order of their odds of staying on this list: highest to lowest odds that they're done playing.
Jeremy Guthrie: famously was "selected" for the 5th starter role ahead of Joe Ross at the beginning of 2017 … then absolutely cratered in his first start, giving up 10 runs in less than an inning. This resulted in his DFA pretty much before he got out of the shower that game … and a couple months of soul searching later, him announcing his retirement.
Stephen Drew: announced his retirement from the game after failing to catch on for 2018.
Jayson Werth: amazingly, after finishing off his $126M deal … Werth (like a lot of mid-30s veterans) couldn't find work for 2018. He finally signed a MLFA deal with Seattle at the tail-end of Spring Training. It should be curious to see if he gets a shot, or if the modern-day economics of the game force him out. In late May he extended his ML deal, but only hit .202 in Tacoma and on 6/27/18 announced his retirement.
Joe Blanton: badly struggled for the team out of the bullpen in 2017, has yet to sign for 2018. In Aug 2018, a story indicating that he had retired and turned to wine making in Napa Valley.
Ryan Raburn: resigned a MLFA deal for 2018, but got cut in spring training. Another in a longish list of corner RH hitters who struggled in 2017 for the Nats and who are struggling to find work in 2018. Still not signed/playing as of late June 2018. Upon his release, WP beat reporter Chelsea Janes reported that Raburn would likely retire if he didn't make the 2018 team.
Grant Green got 3 ABs, appeared in 2 games, then was released in June of 2017. He bounced around two other AAA orgs, declared MLFA in Nov 2017 and never signed. Unfortunately the market for bat-only 1B RH hitting types is … well not good. Signed on to play in the Mexican League May 2018, but was released in July 2018 and did not resign. Likely retired.
Chris Heisey: was released in July of 2017 after a horrid stretch, never signed back on with anyone for the rest of the season. He signed a MLFA deal with Minnesota for spring 2018, but failed to make the team and was released later in Spring Training. His 2017 numbers don't inspire confidence, and he may be getting run out of the game like a lot of veteran RH outfielders. Still unsigned as of June 2018; likely retired.
Alejandro de Aza: gave the Nats some awful OF coverage in 2017, then signed back on to provide 4-A outfield depth for 2018. Could get another shot … but he's way down on the depth chart. Released from the Nats AAA team in mid August; may be done.
Adam Lind: like Werth, Lind couldn't find major league work and signed a MLFA deal mid-way through ST 2018 with the Yankees. Released by the Yankees on 5/25/18, then signed on with Boston. Struggling in AAA all season, does not look any closer to a call-up. Released again 8/1/18.
Raudy Read: the sole hold-over from 2016 who was on the 40-man the entire season but whom never appeared.
Names removed since Apr 2018 publication: (a running list throughout the season): Andrew Stevenson, Pedro Severino called up early. Austin Adams called up mid April. Adrian Sanchez, Rafael Bautista called up 4/24/18. Erick Fedde removed for his 5/24/18 spot start. Removed Oliver Perez after the bullpen-needy Indians signed him June 2018 and immediately slotted him in. Removed Daniel Murphy after he finally debuted for the 2018 nats in June. Edwin Jackson on 6/25/18 after he opted out of our ML deal, signed with Oakland and was called up to join his MLB record 13th team. Koda Glover removed in mid August when he finally made it back. Lastly, we removed both Victor Robles and Joe Ross with Sept call-ups and performance. The sole 2016 40-man player who remains is Raudy Read, who probably wasn't called up due to his PED suspension
Outlook for remaining 2017 Oblivion candidates: Not good. It would not surprise me if 8 of the 9 remaining guys never appeared again, mostly thanks to the oft-mentioned issues with mid-30s hitters in today's baseball climate. It would also not surprise me to see Lind get a call-up. The rest of this crew are basically looking retirement in the face.
Favorite Nats to Oblivion Story: Has to be Guthrie's meltdown. I was highly critical of the moves the team engineered so as to give Guthrie that start. And make no mistake, the 2017 opening day roster jumped through a lot of hoops so as to give Guthrie that start.
2016: (4 candidates right now)
Total players used: 19 position players, 24 pitchers, 43 total. 4/43 = 9.3% candidate ratio right now.
Jonathan Papelbon: Initially, it was hard to believe he was on this list. However, after his release mid-2016, not only did he not sign on for the rest of the season … he never signed on with anyone for 2017 either. Its possible he mis-calculated the market for his services, instructing his agent to hold out for closing jobs only. Its also possible his baggage prevented any GMs from voluntarily bringing him into a clubhouse. Nonetheless, he remains out of the game despite his probably being able to be a 6th/7th inning guy to this day.
Clint Robinson: long-time minor league veteran made the team in 2015 and had a break-out season, but struggled badly in 2016, prompting the team to sign Adam Lind to a guaranteed deal, all but eliminating Robinson's chances from making the roster. Robinson was waived towards the end of 2017 Spring Training as expected, cleared waivers and played the entire season at Syracuse. I read a quote from him talking about how his half-MLB salary made it worth him playing out the year, and based on Ryan Zimmerman's typical fragility he might have had a good chance of getting called back up. Unfortunately for Robinson, Zimmerman had his career year in 2017, Robinson played out the string in 2017, then officially retired and took a scouting job with Miami.
Rafael Martin: Just a handful of Sept 2016 innings after a not-very-impressive 2016 in Syracuse, and was DFA'd early in 2017; he was outrighted, pitched the whole season in Syracuse and is now pitching in the Mexican leagues. He seems likely to stay there at this point as an age 34 softer-tossing right handed reliever.
Sean Burnett: given a quick look late in 2016, signed MLFA deal with Philadelphia for 2017 but failed to make their opening day Roster and was released. Zero 2017 appearances and looked like he may be done, then signed MLFA deal with Miami for 2018. Got hit very hard in AAA for 2018, released in mid June by Miami from their New Orleans roster.
Names removed since Apr 2017 publication: Espinosa, Revere, Belisle, Melancon, Rzepczynski, all of whom signed MLB deals and appeared in the first week of 2017 for new teams. Petit, who made the 2017 Angels as an NRI. Difo and Taylor for making the Nats 2017 opening day roster and getting appearances. Mat Latos removed when Toronto added him and called him up in April 2017, shocking me; I figured Latos was done. Technically Ross' first start removed him from this list. Matt den Dekker got removed when Detroit recalled him for a few games in June 2017. Wilson Ramos indeed returned from his injury and began starting for Tampa. Brian Goodwin not only returned to the majors but got an extended run of starts with Werth's 2017 foot injury. Severino got recalled during an outfielder crunch in July 2017. A.J. Cole got a spot-start in May 2017. Relievers Gott and Grace both got re-calls, with Grace impressing and Gott not. Reynaldo Lopez removed upon his 8/11/17 call-up for CWS. Giolito was called up a week later. May 2018: Spencer Kieboom got called back up after a year off the 40-man roster; he's a great example of putting your head down and earning your way back.
Outlook for remaining 2016 Oblivion candidates: Of the 5 candidates, I don't see an easy path forward for any of them. Two are more or less retired, one now probably permanently in Mexico, and the other two face longer odds to get back to the majors.
Favorite Nats to Oblivion Story: Jonathan Papelbon. (ok maybe not "favorite" but certainly most interesting…). What a whirlwind career he had with the Nats: he was already controversial even before arriving, then essentially ended the productive career of Drew Storen, who he replaced (as a condition of his accepting the trade) as closer upon his arrival. Two months into his tenure here, he took it upon himself to choke teammate Bryce Harper as Harper and the rest of the team disappointingly played out the string of the 2015 season. These two buried the hatchet over the off-season, and everyone looked happy entering 2016 … but a 6.00 ERA in June and an even worse ERA in July sealed Papelbon's fate; the team paid heavily to acquire Mark Melancon for the stretch run and Papelbon was released a couple weeks later. Quite the Nats tenure for the combustible Papelbon. Side note: for reasons beyond explanation, the Papelbon's decided to buy a $2.9M house in Alexandria just after his acquisition …. which was only assessed at half their purchase price. I wonder if they ever even moved in?
2015: (7 candidates right now):
Total players used: 20 position, 24 pitcher, 44 total. 7/44 = 15.9% candidate ratio right now.
Candidates (these players are listed in the order of their odds of staying on this list: highest to lowest odds that they're done playing):
Dan Uggla: The Nats were probably his last stand chance in the majors; hit just .183 and was given just 17 ABs the last two months of the 2015 season. Never signed for 2016 and is retired.
Reed Johnson: Got picked back up on a MLFA deal by Washington for 2016 season, but did not make the team out of spring and was released on 4/2/16. He did not pick up with anyone for 2016 and at age 39 is retired.
Casey Janssen: Signed a ML deal with San Diego for 2016 but was released in late Spring Training. Picked up with Boston in June of 2016, pitched a bit for their Short-A and AAA teams then was released in early August 2016. Did not pick up with a MLB team for 2017. Signed for a Mexican league team, pitched in 15 games and was released. Might be the end of the line for the 35-yr old.
Taylor Jordan: After brief appearances in 2015, started 2016 in AAA but got hurt in June of 2016, he had a second TJ surgery … and then was released by the club on 6/28/16 to correspond to the Giolito contract addition. Man, that seems kind of cold to release a guy just after surgery, but his odds of making it back to the majors just took a significant hit. As of 2017 has not re-signed anywhere and seems a long-shot to do so, with little major league track record and two arm injuries. Likely done.
Taylor Hill: Hill was DFA'd to make room for January 2016 signings and was outrighted to AAA, so he faces longer odds to get back to the majors at this point. If it comes to it, would you rather go with Hill or the likes of Voth or Giolito at this point? Hill finished out the year for AAA Syracuse with a 4.60 ERA in 27 starts, but I'd have to say he's just an innings-eater/org guy now. Still with the team for 2017 but has been passed on the depth chart by several guys (Cole, Voth, Fedde) and faces long odds of a return to the majors with this organization. Started 2017 badly, demoted to AA. At the end of 2017, elected MLFA and did not sign a new contract; likely done.
Aaron Barrett: the odds of him turning into Cole Kimball seems small; an elbow is not a shoulder. But until he recovers from his 2015 surgery, he's an Oblivion candidate. He'll sit on the 60-day D/L for most of 2016. In June of 2016, he had a major set-back in his TJ recovery, fracturing his elbow. This will require another visit to Dr. James Andrews and another surgery. The Nats outrighted him off the 40-man after the 2016 season and he elected free agency. He has re-signed with the Nats for 2017 and starts the year on the AAA D/L. He still remains in the system in 2018, again starting the year on the D/L, but he's still here, still has a shot. Assigned to Short-A Auburn in June 2018 and is pitching.
David Carpenter: shoulder injury, DFA'd, elected free agency and quickly signed a ML deal with Atlanta for 2016. However he was cut after just a handful of spring training games; maybe his injury is worse than we thought. He then bounced from Tampa to the Angels system for 2016, and then signed back with Tampa as a MLFA/NRI for 2017, but was cut on 4/4/17. Signed w/ Arizona in July 2017 and posted an ERA north of 9.00 for AA/AAA. Still in Arizona's XST for 2018 as late as mid July, no appearances but no release.
Names removed since initial publication: Fister (signed a $7M deal with Houston for 2016). Thornton (MLFA deal with San Diego and made 25-man roster). Burriss: signed MLFA with Philly and lead-off against the Nats in their first visit to Philadelphia in the new season. Added Stammen when he failed to make Cleveland's 25-man roster in 2016. Removed Solis when he got called up to cover for injury to Belisle. Removed Martin when he got called up briefly on 6/27/16. Removed de los Santos when he got waived, picked up by Cincinnati and appeared for them mid Sept 2016. Removed all our 2015 prospect-types who all got 2016 call-ups: Turner, Difo, Severino, Grace, Cole. Stammen removed after he made the 2017 San Diego Padres out of spring training. Tyler Moore made the 2017 Marlins, and got a crucial hit against the Nats early in 2017 season, but was soon DFA'd.
Note: the one guy DFA'd mid-season 2015 by the Nats (Xavier Cedeno) got purchased by the Dodgers, who then sold him to the Rays 5 days later … and he had 61 appearances with a 2.09 ERA for Tampa Bay this year. Do you think maybe the team gave up on him too soon?
Outlook for 2015 Oblivion candidates: Most of these guys seem like they have little shot of re-gaining a MLB spot; the first 4 guys are likely retired at this point (Uggla, Johnson, Janssen, Jordan), and the other 3 (Barrett, Carpenter, Hill) face pretty long odds to make it back.
Favorite Nats to Oblivion Story: Dan Uggla. Uggla was released out of a $13M/year contract from Atlanta and the Nats picked him up for 2015, paying just a MLB minimum on him as middle infield cover/lottery ticket. Well, Uggla's luck turned out pretty well as injuries shredded the Nats lineup and Uggla earned a 25-man roster spot. He played sparingly throughout April but had a massive homer in the epic April 28th come-from-behind 13-12 win over Atlanta, which sparked the Nats (who were just 7-13 at the time) to a 21-6 run. It was one of just two homers Uggla hit on the year (the other in the last game of the season/his career), and Uggla played less and less as the team got healthier. For the year he hit just .183, which was in line with what he had hit the prior to years, and he never got picked up after his "last hurrah" season. Uggla never seemed to recover from two separate concussions he suffered from HBPs (one in July 2012, another in ST 2013), never again hitting even the meager .220 he managed in 2012.
2014 (5 remaining candidates right now):
Total Players used: 22 position, 18 pitchers, 40 total. 5/40 = 12.5% candidate ratio right now
Greg Dobbs: FA after 2014, retired in May 2015 when he didn't catch on with a new club.
Nate McLouth, who signed an ill-advised 2-year deal to be our "veteran 4th outfielder" behind Denard Span … but who struggled in 2014 and then missed the entirety of 2015. The team bought out his 2016 option and as of this writing has not signed with a new team (not even a minor league deal). May have played his way out of the game. (Thanks to Karl in the comments for the reminder on McLouth).
Jeff Kobernus: Released by the team Mar 2015, played the rest of 2015 with SF's A+ club in San Jose, MLFA for 2016. He never signed with anyone in 2016 and may be finished.
Scott Hairston: FA after 2014, sat out 2015. Signed for Chicago White Sox for 2016, but then was cut on 3/29/16. He did not pick back up with anyone for 2016, and at age 36 could be forced into retirement.
Nate Schierholtz: FA after 2014, signed w/ Texas but did not stay with club out of spring training. Played 2015 in Japan, then signed as a MLFA with Detroit in Dec 2015. Starting in AAA for Detroit 2016 but not a 40-man player. Subsequently released on 5/23/16 after hitting .246, did not pick back up for the rest of 2016. May be done.
Names removed since publication: Kevin Frandsen (signed w/ SFG and appeared in 7 games in 2015), Ryan Mattheus (got one game with LAA, waived, then pitched the whole of 2015 in Cincinnati's bullpen), Rafael Soriano (who finally signed with the Cubs in June but had just 6 appearances before getting released on 9/4/15, and Taylor Hill (who had 12IP across 6 games for the Nats in 2015). Added Nate McLouth after Karl noticed he was missing in the comments.
Outlook for 2014 Oblivion candidates: after a rough 2016 for all these players, only Schierholz really seems like he may give it another shot, but he never signed for 2017 and this list may be complete.
Favorite Nats-to-Oblivion story: I'll go with Kobernus at this point, if only because he went to my dad's Alma Mater (Cal-Berkeley) at a time where the program was threatened with the Axe (eventually donations resurrected the program in 2011). He's an example of an odd fascination the Nats seem to have with good field-no hit upper round draft picks from Cal (see also Renda, Tony).
2013 (3 Candidates):
Total Players used: 23 position, 21 pitchers, 44 total. 3/44 = 6.8% candidate ratio right now
Chad Tracy: MLFA signed w/ LA Angels for spring 2014, cut, retired 4/25/14.
Yunesky Maya; MLFA with Atlanta AAA for 2014, then went to Korea where he got pounded for two seasons. Just signed a MLFA deal with Los Angeles Angels for 2016 and is pitching for AAA Salt Lake. He strained his elbow and missed a big chunk of the 2016 season, which was a missed opportunity for Maya as the Angels had very little SP depth. Did not sign for 2017.
Erik Davis; Nats AAA 2014 60 day D/L Tommy John surgery 2014, still on Nats D/L 2015. Outrighted off the 40-man in January 2016, assigned to AAA. Posted a 4.13 ERA in a full year of middle relief for Syracuse, with excellent K/9 ratios, but did not merit a 9/1 call up. Elected free agency after 2016, signed with Arizona and pitching at AAA Reno for the organization in 2017, posting mediocre numbers but pitching a ton (50+ appearances in 2017). For 2018, he signed another MLFA deal with Milwaukee, with a ST invite, and currently is toiling for their AAA team in Colorado Springs.
Updates since publication: removed Jhonatan Solano went 1-20 for Miami in 2015 and may be a "Marlins to Oblivion" candidate going forward. Removed Chris Marrero after he made the 2017 San Francisco Giants team in a shock (four years in the minors between MLB at bats). Unfortunately he was DFA'd just a few weeks later after struggling to start the season.
Outlook for 2013 Oblivion candidates: The 2 active remaining guys face uphill climbs; none remain with the Nats. Davis is with a new organization for 2017 while Maya has not signed for 2017 and may be done.
Favorite Nats-to-Oblivion story: Yunesky Maya, who was Mike Rizzo's first foray into the Cuban exile market. Signed to a 4yr/$8M deal, he was given several shots at the majors and never could capitalize. He arrived in the US with a wide arsenal of pitches but not a lot of swing-and-miss talent, and he ended up basically being a AAA starter. He spent the last three seasons as Syracuse's lead starter (getting 22, 28 and 24 starts there in-between infrequent call-ups) and ended up with just one career MLB win for his $8M salary (making his one of the worst dollars-per-win contracts ever … even if it was "just" $8M). This whole paragraph is assuming that Maya never makes it back to the majors … but based on what he's shown thus far combined with his advancing age, that seems like a likely end-result for the Cuban starter. As we speak, he has given up on minor league ball and has decamped for Korea, where he's shown some good stats in limited appearances.
2012 (6 candidates)
Brad Lidge: Retired post 2012.
Christian Garcia: got added to the 40-man roster down the stretch of 2012 and provided some electric relief out of the pen, even making the playoff roster. Got hurt in ST 2013, went to the 60-day D/L, still hurt in 2014, and released in June of that year. Garcia never had bad stats … just too many injuries that he couldn't overcome. (Thanks to commenter Justin for this reminder!)
Ryan Perry: Wash AAA/AA 2013, 2014, released by Washington in 2014, signed back with Detroit and played 2014-2015 with their AAA affiliate. Released mid 2015 by Toledo and never signed on again for 2015 or 2016; may be done.
Jesus Flores; signed ML deal with Los Angeles Dodgers for 2013, was with TB, KC for 2014, Miami AAA for 2015, but was released in July 2015 and never re-signed. Played Winter Ball 2015 never signed for 2016; may be done.
Brett Carroll: signed ML deal w/ Pittsburgh for 2013, Tor for 2014. Never signed for 2015, looks done.
Carlos Maldonado: Wash AAA 2013. Played Venezuelan Winter Ball for a number of years, then after no US-based organized ball for 2 seasons signed a ML deal with Texas in 2015 …and made their AA team as a 37-yr old. Still plugging away. In 2016 Maldonado again was assigned to Frisco, but was immediately put on the D/L and never appeared. In fact, he doesn't even have a minor league at bat since 2013; is he just on a roster to serve as a bullpen catcher?
Updates since last post: Updates for Maldonado, who I can't believe is still playing in the bus leagues at age 37. Added Christian Garcia after commenter Justin noticed he was missing.
Outlook for 2012 Oblivion candidates: Only Maldonado seems like he's still technically "active," but as a 38-yr old catcher who hasn't even had an at-bat since 2013 the odds of him making it back are nil. The book seems closed on 2012.
Favorite Nats-to-Oblivion story: Brad Lidge, who gave it one last shot and failed and didn't keep trying. Sometimes, when you lose your stuff, its gone and gone fast. I'll readily admit I thought the signing was a great one when it occurred but it just didn't work out. I really hoped that Lidge would be a serviceable 7th inning guy and mentor to Drew Storen and Tyler Clippard, being one of the great closers of his day. It didn't work out that way: the Nats released him on June 25th and he hung 'em up.
Ivan Rodriguez – retired after 2011; will appear on the 2017 Hall-of-Fame Ballot with 1st ballot stats but a PED cloud over his head.
Matt Stairs — retired after 2011.
Alex Cora — retired after 2011, now the General Manager of a Puerto Rican Winter League team.
Cole Kimball — Nats 60-day DL in 2012, XST in 2013, DFA'd off 40-man roster. 2014 indy, NYY AA team. Threw 3.2 Innings of 14-ERA ball in the Mexican summer league in 2015. Does not seem to be on any 2016 rosters; may be done.
Brian Broderick — Stl AAA, waived now Nats AAA in 2012, AA in 2013. Indy ball 2014, Kansas City AAA 2015, where he had a pretty good season. He elected MLFA … and (oddly?) did not get picked up for 2016. May be done.
Atahualpa Severino — Nats AAA, DFA'd off 40-man in 2012, signed w/ KC for 2013, Atl AAA in 2014, LAA AAA in 2015 but he got cut and ended the year in the Mexican league. For 2016 he is again in the Mexican League, and had a strong season for Monterrey. Perhaps he gets another shot some-day. There's always people looking for loogies.
Changes since the last post: none other than 2016 assignment updates; nobody's gotten off this list in a while.
Outlook for 2011 Oblivion candidates: Just one guy still hanging on: Severino continues to throw albeit in his home country's unaffiliated Mexican league.
Favorite Nats-to-Oblivion story: Matt Stairs: He made the 2011 roster despite having almost no defensive capabilities and, as it soon became evident, almost no remaining abilities at the plate. He somehow hung onto his roster spot until August 1st despite having just one extra base hit in 74 at-bats on the year. I remember one game in particular; we were at the stadium going against the hated Phillies and they left Roy Halladay in to attempt to finish a shutout with a 3-0 lead (Game was on 4/13/11). Nats rally, score 2 runs to make it 3-2. Stairs comes up pinch hitting for Jerry Hairston with guys on 1st and 2nd with one out; he promptly watches three straight fastballs go right down the middle of the plate without moving his bat. I've never been so p*ssed at a player at the ball-park. Fellow Nats-to-Oblivion candidate Ivan Rodriguez then promptly struck out on 3 pitches as well, looking strike 3 into the mitt and then arguing vehemently with the ump over the game-ending call which gave Halladay the complete game victory. Those were the good ole days.
2010 (12 players)
Total Players used: 20 position, 26 pitchers, 46 total. 12/46 = 26.0% never appeared again
Kevin Mench; retired after 2010
Jamie Burke; retired after 2010
Luis Atilano: in CIN org, AAA in 2012, never signed for 2013, out of baseball.
Scott Olsen; in CWS org, AAA 2012, never signed for 2013, out of baseball.
Tyler Walker; indy league 2011, never signed for 2012, out of baseball.
Matt Chico; indy league 2012, never signed for 2013, out of baseball.
Garrett Mock: Houston AAA 2012, AZ AAA for 2013. Not signed for 2014
Jason Bergmann: indy 2011, Col AAA 2012, Indy again in 2013, KC AA. Not signed for 2014.
Jesse English; indy league 2011, 2012. Mexican League 2013, Indy ball 2014 but struggled, no 2015 stats.
Joe Bisenius; in Mexico 2011-12, Atl AA/AAA 2013, indy/mexican league 2014 but struggled, no 2015 stats.
Willy Taveras; played AAA for Col in 2011, retired prior to 2012, back with KC AAA 2013. Mexican league 2014, 2015, Indy ball in 2015. He re-signed with Pueblo in the Mexican league for 2016 and played a full season, hitting .325. He's still playing in 2017.
JD Martin; in MIA org AAA 2012, in TB AAA 2013, in Korea 2014 but struggled, no 2015 stats. 2016 MLFA signing back with the team and re-making himself as a knuckleballer. However, in 2017 he spent most of the year in XST, got one appearance in the GCL and was released.
Changes since last post: none.
Outlook for 2010 Oblivion candidates: Two active players in the minors; Taveras and Martin. Martin may have run out of chances in 2017. Taveras may just be a Mexican leaguer now.
Favorite Nats-to-Oblivion story: Jamie Burke: The 2009 Nats were so thin at Catcher by the end of the season that we literally bought a spare catcher in Burke from Seattle so we could have some coverage at the end of the season. Burke re-signed on for 2010 and appeared in exactly one MLB game. He was released after the season and retired.
2009 (9 players)
Total Players used: 25 position, 30 pitchers, 55 total. 9/55 = 16.3% never appeared again
Elijah Dukes: released and never picked up for 2010. Arrested in 2011, 2012, out of baseball.
Alex Cintron; playing in Mexico 2012, nothing in 2013
Jorge Padilla; in SD org, AAA in 2012, nothing in 2013
Ron Villone, AAA all of 2010, 2011 playing indy ball, retired prior to 2012. He was scheduled to appear on the 2015 Hall of Fame ballot but was removed for some reason. Remains a pitching coach for the Cubs organization.
Julian Tavarez; retired after getting DFA'd in July 2009
Mike Hinckley: Tor org in 2011, retired prior to 2012
Steven Shell; KC org in 2011, retired prior to 2012
Victor Garate; MIL org and Indy ball in 2012, Mexican league 2013, 2014. Went to Japan for 2015 and had a great season. Back on the continent and pitching in the Mexican League for 2016; had 10 starts for Saltillo and was released. May be done.
Zack Segovia; in Det org AA in 2012, Mexican league/Indy ball 2013, Mexican League 2014. Picked up with San Diego's AAA for 2015 but got hit. Pitching in the Mexican League for 2016 and had decent numbers as a middle reliever, but was released in June.
Outlook for 2009 Oblivion candidates: Still a couple guys active here, both in the Mexican league. Not likely to see any changes going forward.
Favorite Nats-to-Oblivion story: Ron Villone, who proved that a crafty lefty with a halfway decent fastball can have a long career in this game. He had 63 appearances at age 39 for the 2009 Nats and got re-signed for 2010. He didn't make the team though, labored in Syracuse the whole season and was released. Despite being 41 years old, he headed to Indy ball for one last shot but washed out after just a few outings in 2011.
It wouldn't be a retrospective on poor Nats players if we didn't briefly talk about Elijah Dukes though. I think its safe to assume that he's the only guy on this list that has served more time in jail than has played in the minor leagues, attempting to get back to the show.
Total Players used: 25 position, 25 pitchers, 50 total. 8/50 = 16% never appeared again
Kory Casto; 2009 AAA, 2010 in Ariz AA, retired.
Dmitri Young: some rehab in low minors 2009, retired.
Rob Mackowiak: 2009: some indy, bounced around AAA, that's it.
Johnny Estrada; quit after 2008 mid-season release.
Odalis Perez; refused his 2009 contract, never resigned (see below)
Levale Speigner; 2009 in Florida's AA/AAA, then 2010 in Seattle AAA. done.
Ray King; retired after 2008
Chris Schroder; 2009, 2010 bounced around AAA with Oakland,Florida (now Miami).
Changes in last 12 months: none.
Outlook for 2008 Oblivion candidates: every remaining candidate is now out of baseball.
Favorite Nats-to-Oblivion story: Odalis Perez, though I'm tempted to say either Mackowiak or Estrada, possibly the two worst FA signings of the whole Jim Bowden era (and that's saying something). But nothing beats the Perez story. He was the Nats Opening Day Starter in 2008, and he was the first guy to get a start in the new Nationals Stadium. He pitched decently enough; in 30 starts he was 7-12 with a 4.34 ERA and a 99 ERA+ for a god-awful team. But apparently he got really pissed when the team only offered him a non-guaranteed Minor League deal for 2009. So he held out, the Nats said "fine with us" and released him, and nobody else picked him up. And he never played another game. I'm not sure if that was a sign that he was just that bad (not one team wanted to even give an opening day starter a look the subsequent year?), or if there was some sort of MLB general manager omerta that conspired against him. Either way, Perez never played again, not even in Winter Leagues as far as I could find. Sometimes a player has to swallow his pride, and Perez apparently could not.
Nook Logan; indy league 2008, 2010.
Robert Fick: Cut from the Padres in ST 2008, full year indy league 2009, retired.
D'Angelo Jimenez: AAA all of 2008, 2009. Mexican league and Indy league 2010-2012
Tony Batista: Wash AAA 2008, then released
Michael Restovich: 2008 in Japan, AAA 2009-2011, retired
Brandon Watson: AAA 2008-9, indy league 2011, retired.
Mike Bacsik: 2008 AAA, 2011 indy league, now a broadcaster.
Jason Simontacchi; 2008 indy league, 2010 again.
John Patterson; cut in ST 2008, immediately signed w/ Texas but never played again.
Ryan Wagner: AAA 2008-9, released and presumably retired.
Arnie Munoz; went to mexican league, retired > 2010
Chris Booker: AAA in 2008, then retired/released.
Changes in last 12 months: none
Favorite Nats-to-Oblivion story: Mike Bacsik, who was destined to be a career 4-A guy before Washington picked him up and gave him 20 starts in 2007. Bacsik was on his 6th minor league organization when he arrived in Syracuse and pitched his way up to the major leagues. He was overmatched badly; he had a 5.11 ERA and just a 3.4 K/9 rate. But he did get his moment in the headlines by giving up Barry Bonds' 756th career homer one night in San Francisco in August. Contrary to accusations on the topic, I do not believe Bacsik "served up" the homer. If you check the play index, Bonds hit the 7th pitch of the at-bat in a 3-2 count for that homer. Bacsik didn't purposely give up a homer on the 7th pitch of an at-bat; he just ran out of pitches to show Bonds that weren't going to get pulverized.
A quick comment though on John Patterson: I remember being absolutely shocked at his release in 2008's spring training. He was cut on 3/20/08, right in the middle of Spring Training with no warning and having just thrown his Grapefruit innings. He was healthy, recovered from surgery, ready to be the ace of that staff and start showing off the potential that he showed in 2005 (you know, when he 4-hit the Dodgers with 13 punch outs and posted the best Game-Score performance in Nats history). He signed a ML deal with Texas after his release by the Nats, but he couldn't answer the call and never appeared again, getting released in mid May. I guess his third arm surgery in 7 years just left him unable to compete at any level and he hung 'em up.
Total Players used: 28 position, 29 pitchers, 57 total. 20/57 = 35% never appeared again
Damian Jackson; dnp 2007, indy league 2008-9
Bernie Castro: AAA all of 2007, 8 then retired.
Alex Escobar: Wash minors 2007-8, then retired.
Brandon Harper: Wash AAA all of 2007, then released/retired.
Wiki Gonzalez: CWS AAA all of 2007, indy league 2008, retired.
Henry Mateo: AAA or Indy league 2007-2009, Mexican league from 2010-2013
George Lombard: AAA 2007-9, some indy league, retired.
Mike Vento: 2007 Wash AAA, indy league 2008, back with Syracuse 2009, retired.
Melvin Dorta; various minor leagues 2007-2010, indy league 2011, retired.
Luis Matos: AAA 2007, Mexican League 2008-2012. ? 2013 and done.
Pedro Astacio; retired after 2006
Felix Rodriguez: dnp 2007, indy league 2008-9, retired.
Zach Day: AAA 2007, briefly A+ 2008, retired.
Beltran Perez; wash minors AA/AAA 2007-8, released and never played again.
Joey Eischen; released off of Washington and retired.
Travis Hughes; AAA in 2007, played in Japan 2008, indy leagues 2009, 2011.
Ryan Drese: various minor leagues 2007-8, indy league 2009-2010, Baltimore AAA 2011, released/retired.
Kevin Gryboski: AAA 2007-2008, retired/released.
Brett Campbell: Wash AA 2007, released/retired.
Santiago Ramirez: Japan in 2007, Mexican league 2008, indy 2009, retired.
Favorite Nats-to-Oblivion story: Joey Eischen, who bounced around the league in his 20s before settling in Montreal and moving south with the team. He was known to be a "character" in the clubhouse and to give good quotes to reporters (google "Joey Eischen quotes" and you'll find some of his classics). By 2006 though the years had taken their toll on his shoulder; he had 19 walks in 14 2/3 innings through the end of May had blown his rotator cuff. The team put him on the 60 day D/L and called up Virginia-native Bill Bray. Eischen never got off that D/L; he was released in the off-season and never played again. He has been a pitching coach in the Colorado system since 2010.
Carlos Baerga; retired after 2005
Junior Spivey: bounced around AAA 2006-7, indy ball in 2009, retired.
Wil Cordero; released mid 2005, signed on with the NY Mets but never made it out of AAA. Retired after 2005.
Deivi Cruz; released after 2005, cut from St. Louis 2006 ST, played indy ball, retired.
Jeffrey Hammonds; retired in June 2005 mid-season.
J.J. Davis: Traded to Colorado as part of the Preston Wilson deal, sent to Colorado's AAA, then released after the season and never played again.
Rick Short; Granted FA after the 2005 season to play in Japan, played there til 2009.
Kenny Kelly; AAA in 2006 and 2007, released and retired.
Keith Osik; a backup catcher, got 4 ABs in 2005, released and retired.
Tyrell Godwin; after just three MLB at-bats in 2005, spent all of 2006 and 2007 in AAA, released and retired.
T.J. Tucker; released after 2005, tried one year of indy ball in 2008, retired.
Joe Horgan; released after 2005, played one year of AAA with Florida, released, retired.
Matt White; AAA in 2006-7, Japan 2007-8, tried indy ball in 2010, hung 'em up.
C.J. Nitkowski; AAA in 2006, then went to Japan 2007-8, Korea 2009-10, back with the Mets AAA team in July 2012. Not signed for 2013. Was a blow-hard "I'm an ex baseball player and know more than you" Podcast host for Fox Sports with Rob Neyer until their cancellation. Made news in 2015 for his article on the Bryce Harper/Jonathan Papelbon where he quoted a number of anonymous MLBers who said that (paraphrasing) "Harper had it coming."
Antonio Osuna: dnp in 2006, Mexican league 2007-9.
Tony Blanco; Nats minor leagues 2006-7, Colorado AA in 2008, in Japan from 2009-present. Hit 41 homers in 2013 for Yokohama but struggled in 2015, but got picked up by Orix and is on their 2016 roster. Not signed for 2017, may be done.
Outlook for 2005 Oblivion candidates: Tony Blanco is still playing in Japan, entering his 8th pro season there in 2016. But he has no 2017 assignment.
Favorite Nats-to-Oblivion story: Rick Short, who got his MLB debut at the age of 32, after 11 very long seasons in the minors with many different teams. He got a couple of call-ups in June and July to provide cover, and then played out the string after a Sept 1 roster expansion call-up. In that off-season, he returned to Japan (where he'd played one full season prior), and played four more years in the Japanese League and retired in 2009.
Though it merits talking about a couple other guys here. Tony Blanco; he was a rule-5 draftee who the Nats carried the whole of 2005 so they could keep his rights. He was awful; he had a .177 batting average as the 25th guy off the bench. In 2006 he couldn't even cut it in AA and played most of the year in High-A. After 2007 the Nats summarily released him from their minor league organization altogether. He found his calling though; he signed on in Japan in 2009 at age 27 and continues to play there today. You have to wonder if he may very well earn another MLB shot.
Jeffrey Hammonds was well known to Washington baseball fans by virtue of his pedigree with our northern neighbors in Baltimore; he was a 1st round draft pick in 1992 out of Stanford, broke in with the MLB team the following year and was a role player on the powerhouse Baltimore teams of the mid 1990s. He bounced around the league afterwards though, signing on with the newly relocated Washington franchise for the 2005 debut season but he hung 'em up after a slow start here. He was only 34 when he retired.
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(Editor's note: I completely forgot to do this analysis in 2018; this is all back-filled):
Here's the announcement of NRIs: https://www.mlb.com/nationals/news/nationals-annouce-2018-non-roster-invitees/c-266367066
Confirmed by https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018_Washington_Nationals_season .
Brady Dragmire
David Goforth
Jaron Long
Roman Mendez
Cesar Vargas
Ismael Guillon
Bryan Harper
Tommy Milone
Jhonatan Solano
Reid Brignac
Chris Dominguez
Moises Sierra
Additionally, the Nationals have extended invitations to Major League Spring Training to the following four Minor League players:
Taylor Gushue
Spencer Kieboom
Osvaldo Abreu
Did any NRIs make the 25-man roster out of spring? Yes: Miguel Montero, who played four games (4), then was released. Money well spent.
Did any of these NRIs appear for the Nats throughout the 2018 season? Yes, Montero, Collins, Sierra, Cordero, Kieboom.
Special Mention: Edwin Jackson did not appear for the Nats, but he did secure his ML release then ended up being quite productive for Oakland later in the 2018 season.
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Nats 2018 #5 Starter competition
Is Cole the 2018 5th starter? Photo AP
Interesting news on 1/11/18: Edwin Jackson has re-signed a split minor league deal with decent compensation if he makes the major league team ($1.5M plus another $1.4M in incentives).
Lots of rumors about the team eventually buying a more established 5th starter, either on the open market or in trade. There's too many names still out there to even begin to discuss, from marquee 8-figure free agents (Yu Darvish) to Nats-favorite Scott Boras clients he's likely to go over Rizzo's head about (Jake Arrieta) to trade candidates from rebuilding teams (Tampa, Miami, Pittsburgh and their valuable arms like Gerrit Cole, Chris Archer, though inbetween the time I started this post and published it, Cole had already been traded to the keep-getting-richer Astros). Bur for now, we don't have any of these guys … so we're still projected for a fun spring training competition.
So, what does the #5 starter competition look like right now? Basically there's four primary candidates now in-house and signed for 2018. Lets rank them in likely order of winning the job:
#1: A.J. Cole
I think right now Cole has the inside track, even given the Milone and Jackson signings. Cole's 2018 numbers were decent at the MLB level: 3-5 with a 3.81 ERA even if his periperhals were bad (5.88 fip, 1.50 whip). His AAA numbers in 2017 were awful (5.88 ERA in 18 starts), but then again the entire Syracuse rotation was awful in 2018. But, he did show some promise last year and he's out of options, so I can't help but think that he'll get a shot to stick on the MLB roster until he proves he's either staying or going one last time.
#2 : Edwin Jackson:
He made an ok case for the job based on what he was able to do last year. No, he wasn't awesome: in 13 starts he was 5-6 with a 5.07 ERA and even worse peripherals (5.88 FIP, 1.4 whip). That's about what he did for San Diego in 2016, so It shouldn't be too much of a surprise. But he's a known quantity, he throws hard, he never gets hurt. He also clearly will work in the minors to get another shot at the majors and didn't sign back up with this team on a whim, so odds are he could get stashed in Syracuse for a bit and wait out his chance.
#3 Tommy Milone: the prodigal son returns to the fold. Initially sent away in the Gio Gonzalez trade 7 years ago, he pitched well for both Oakland and Minnesota before falling off a cliff in 2016. His 2017 was not pretty: a combined 7.63 ERA for two different teams. He also signed a minor league deal that I suspect may have an opt-out if he fails to make the team. Hopefully not; he did log some AAA time in the last two seasons and may also opt to stick around. Is it possible he returns to his career form (a 4.37 ERA and a 91 ERA+ figure)? Maybe; he'd have to do a lot better though to make his case for t he 5th starter.
#4: Erick Fedde; our top starting pitcher prospect and sole arm in AAA or AA (or perhaps even high-A at this point) which represents a significant draft investment (outside of Mariano Rivera Jr that is … who is already a reliever). And he did not look ready in his debut last fall. 3 starts. 9.39 ERA … even if two of those starts were against tough competition (home to Colorado, then away vs the Cubs). Short Sample Size, yadda-yadda, he got knocked around. He needs more AAA time and you'd have to think he's starting the year either in XST (if its too cold in Syracuse) or in upstate NY.
So, what about our minor league depth past these four guys? Honestly: there's not a ton of depth we can count on in AAA or AA. The 40-man names are Fedde, Cole, Voth and Jefry Rodriguez. That's it.
Here's a quick glance at our other minor league starters out there who are more likely to be AA or AAA fodder (in rough order of their consideration for the job/likely 2018 assignments)
AAA projected rotation (over-top of those four names above who miss out and who don't opt out, that is):
Jared Long (he may or may not be a MLFA still; rosterresource.com shows him on the Nats roster but milb.com shows him as a FA): if he's still with us, he showed two years running he was better than AA. I'd like to see him with a long run in AAA to see if he's a viable candidate to move up.
John Simms: this home grown product (2013 11th round draftee) has earned promotion after promotion and should start 2018 in AAA. He doesn't have shutdown stuff, but could be a sneaky candidate for spot starts.
Logan Darnell; this 2018 MLFA signing from Tampa had good AAA success several years running for other organizations and seems like a clear AAA arm eater for now. Can he be more?
Austin Voth; two years ago looked like he could be the next Tanner Roark, but a brutal 2017 season got him demoted to AA. He posted a 3.15 ERA in AAA in 2016; can he get back there? If not, then he's in clear danger of being first man off the 40-man roster if a spot is needed.
Greg Ross: as with Voth, the Greg Ross train got derailed in upstate New York in 2017, also earning him a demotion. He re-signed though for 2018 to give it another shot and might start in AAA given past success in AA.
Note: at least one of these names likely gets pushed down, especially since Fedde likely isn't winning the 5th starter job. Jackson and Milone as veterans may have opt-outs and are not likely to stick around, but you never know. And if Cole doesn't make the team, he's passing through waivers before he gets to AAA and may not make it. So the AAA rotation will be in flux right up until 4/1/18.
AA projected rotation (on top of whoever above might get pushed down, likely Ross then Voth)
Wirkin Estevez had good AA numbers in 2017 (3.63 ERA in 11 starts after promotion from high-A) and re-signed a ML deal to stay with the organization. He's probably first AA starter for a need-based promotion.
Tyler Mapes missed all of 2017 after a very solid AA 2016 season; if he's healthy, he starts here looking to repeat his 2016 performance before getting moved up.
Kyle McGowin; our trade bounty for Danny Espinosa has shown two years running his inability to succeed in AAA. He likely starts in AA again in 2018 given the log-jam in Syracuse.
Matt Crownover had a 4.50 ERA in a full AA season; nothing to really prove he needs to move up (especially given his weak K/9 rates), so likely starts in AA again looking for a mid-season promotion.
Jefry Rodriguez: the newest member of the 40-man roster, Rodriguez will hope to harness his high-A success from last year at the next step up.
Nobody in AA right now who looks like he could help immediately; Rodriguez though may get some spot-start/double header duty since he's on the 40-man and doesn't require a corresponding move.
So; are you satisfied with a ST 2018 competition or do you think we need to spend money or prospects on another arm?
Keep in mind; the division is a mess, with Atlanta not really trying, Miami actively getting worse and Philadelphia making curious moves. Only the Mets will challenge, and their big move this off-season has been to sign Adrian Gonzalez . So we don't need a $20M/year 5th starter. And there's the luxury tax considerations that keep coming up.
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