Insta360Stitcher version 0.9.17 and 1.0.0 (they issued an update while I was writing this).
4/23/18 update: Adobe Premiere integration enables editing before stitching.
10/4/17 Update: see new features being added.
Originally published July 12, 2017.
Note: this review will be constantly updated with the latest developments, so it will change over time. See the changelog at the end of this article.
When Insta360 announced the Insta360 Pro at CES 2017, they astounded the 360 camera industry. Prior to their announcement, they had said they would create a camera to compete with the GoPro Omni, an 8K 360 camera rig that was and still is used by many professionals. With the Insta360 Pro, they not only created a camera with 8K resolution, but they also added capabilities not found in the Omni, including 3D 360 photos and videos, and the ability to live stream in 4K (in 2D or 3D). And it was $3,499, fully one third less than the price of a GoPro Omni.
Soon after, they also posted sample photos and videos that showed impressive quality, and I got to see more sample photos and videos in a VR headset at NAB.
Even though I saw the samples with excellent image quality, I was still a little bit hesitant to order the Insta360 Pro. It would be the second most expensive camera I've ever bought and there were no tests or reviews for it. Due to a customs snafu, I also wasn't able to try it at NAB Show 2017, so I didn't know what it was like to actually use it either. Was it too difficult or impractical to use in the real world? What if it takes too long for my modest PC hardware to stitch? How does it really perform?
At the same time, I had been writing about Insta360 for a while now (since February 2016) and I knew that they were extremely committed to doing the best for their customers. Since 2007, I've purchased cameras (360 and otherwise) from most major manufacturers including Nikon, Sony, Pentax, Olympus, Panasonic, Fuji (sorry I never had a Canon other than point-and-shoot) – and honestly, I've never seen any company that was as anywhere as dedicated to its customers as Insta360. Their responsiveness is amazing, and they issue significant updates to improve their cameras at an incredible pace. For example, they added the 360 camera industry's first realtime image stabilization to their Insta360 Nano and Air via a firmware update (!). In one quarter they probably issue more updates than a typical camera company issues in the entire product cycle of a camera.
I thought to myself that if this highly customer-centric and highly capable company has poured all their resources into making the best 360 camera, then that 360 camera should be amazing. So I took a leap of faith and ordered one. Here's what I found.
Price: $3499 (stitching software included).
– quick start guide, warranty, a thank you letter from the company.
The Insta360 Pro is somewhere between the size of a large cantaloupe or a small honeydew. Here it is next to the Panono and the Vuze Camera.
The Insta360 Pro's body uses aluminum alloy and polycarbonate. It feels very solidly built and is quite hefty. It is about the weight of my old Nikon D3. The removable base acts both as a stand and as a grip. It's not totally spherical in shape and has recessed areas at the top and bottom that can be used for gripping even without the removable base.
Something interesting is that there are actually three color variations for Insta360 Pro. The most common one is black. A few are white. And fewer still have a gunmetal blue finish like the one shown in these shots.
Until I got the Insta360 Pro, I had no idea how it was actually used. To my surprise, it was as easy to use as a point-and-shoot camera, not just while shooting but even for stitching. Here's a demo on how to use the Insta360 Pro, from shooting (on-camera or with the app) to stitching. The Insta360 Pro is so easy to use that by the end of the video, you too will know how to shoot and stitch with the Insta360 Pro. (Correction: in the video, I said I was using an iPhone 4. Actually I later found out that I was using an iPhone 5S. Sorry for the confusion.) UPDATE: Insta360 Pro is now also compatible with Android!
As shown in the video, the startup takes about a minute and a half with the current firmware. There is a coming update that will reduce the startup to about 30 seconds.
Stitching is much easier than a rig. You only have one SD card to manage, and each photo and each video has their own folder, so you won't get the files mixed up. Each folder has all the individual files for that photo or video (you can turn off this feature) and a 1920 x 960 preview file so you can get an idea of the final photo or video. Honestly, it is much easier to handle than compared to, for example, my Kodak PIXPRO SP360 Dual Pro.
I have an SSD drive but I rendered the file into my storage drive which is a regular HDD, not SSD. I didn't assemble my PC. I just bought a Dell workstation which had the processor and RAM for around $270, then I added the graphics card. The total cost was just around $540.
With this hardware using version 0.9.17 of the Insta360 Stitcher on a 6K 3D 360 video, it took me around 15 minutes of stitching time per 1 minute of video using optical flow stitching. Scene-based stitching is about twice as fast on my PC. But with version 1.0.0, it takes me just 10 minutes of stitching per minute of video! Insta360 said that they are improving the stitching speed even further with future updates.
Videos stitched on the desktop have 360 metadata (2D or 3D as the case may be) and can be uploaded directly to YouTube or Facebook (I haven't tried uploading to Vimeo, but I'm sure it will work). As for in-camera stitched videos, it seemed they did not have the correct 360 metadata as of firmware 153 but they will fix that issue in the next update.
OK so what's it like to shoot with the Insta360 Pro in the real world? I had many worries. I worried if it would be too complicated to use in the field, or if it would fail unexpectedly right when I need it, or if I would be chased out by security guards, or if I would drop it accidentally. In reality, it's much easier to shoot with it that I imagined and was completely hassle-free.
I took the Insta360 Pro to a local pier with a lively atmosphere. To make it faster to use and to avoid drawing too much attention, I decided not to use the hardcase it came with. Instead I just used an old camera bag (you can see me carrying it in the sample videos). It made it much easier to carry the Insta360 Pro.
I used my favorite monopod combination, the extra tall Kodak PIXPRO monopod with the tripod legs from the Monoshot.co. (Update: I now use a Linco steel light stand which is more stable than the PIXPRO monopod and will not sway.) I simply carried the Insta360 Pro with the monopod, holding it like Gandalf's staff, using the lens cover and wiping the lens with a microfiber cloth in between shots,. It was much faster to shoot that way than putting it back in the camera bag every time.
Another thing is that because of the Insta360 Pro's slow startup time (around 90 seconds), I kept the Insta360 Pro on the whole time. And believe it or not, I was able to shoot with one battery for almost 2 hours (not 2 hours of nonstop recording but 2 hours of walking around and shooting), even though I never turned it off and the internal fan and Wi-Fi were turned on the whole time. The key to making this work is to exit to the main menu as soon as you finish recording. I learned from Insta360 Pro's CEO JK Liu that if the camera is on "Ready" mode, it will drain the battery as fast as if it was recording a video. Needless to say I was very impressed by the battery performance. (I also brought backup batteries but I didn't actually need them).
So here's how it works: I scout for an interesting spot for shooting. When I decide on the location, I setup the monopod legs and adjust the height for the Insta360 Pro. I got into the habit of doing a stitching calibration with every new location. (This is easier than it sounds and only takes about 15 seconds.) After calibration, I simply switch to photo and/or video and take the shot. For some scenes, I used my phone to start and stop recording. It really is that simple, and it worked perfectly and predictably throughout the entire 2-hour shooting session.
I was worried that security guards would stop me from using it, or people would object to me using it, but I only got curious looks and a few who asked me about it, none of them hostile, and some who looked interested in getting a 360 camera. Most people were oblivious to it, not minding it at all, at least at this location.
See the Insta360 Pro v 2.0 update improvement on image quality The Insta360 Pro's photos have excellent quality. The photos are very detailed from edge to edge, and the dynamic range is impressive. The stitching is very smooth if you use optical flow stitching (note: the in-camera stitching also uses optical flow), except for objects near the camera's zenith or nadir which can look a little warped.
The colors are natural-looking and remind me of the look of negative film. You can also adjust the appearance of the photos before taking the shot with the app. The photos also have good latitude for adjustment in postprocessing. And of course, you can shoot in Raw, which will capture each lens in DNG format as well as stitch a 2D or 360 photo in DNG.
Here are 2D shots in full resolution (7680 x 3840) from a 3D 8k photo shot in JPG (for a 3D sample see below).
The lens appears to have very good flare resistance. Here is a scene where the sun is low on the horizon, shining directly into the lens, and there's only a small flare artifact on the right side. Note: this video was not edited and is an in-camera stitched video.
In my opinion, what really sets the Insta360 Pro's photos apart is if you shoot in 3D 360. The 3D effect is simply beautiful. As of July 2017, Insta360 Pro is one of the very few 360 cameras that can shoot 3D 360 photos (right now, Vuze's 3D 360 photo mode is just a short video clip, so it's really just a framegrab from a video).
Here is one of the photos in 3D 360. To view it in 3D, you need to view it on a phone and tap on the Google Cardboard icon.
– Gala360. You can share photos by sharing the url. See this example.
– Here are other ways to share 3D 360 photos: see here.
See the Insta360 Pro v 2.0 update improvement on image quality The screenshot above is not from a photo. It's a crop from a frame grab from the 8K mode of the Insta360 Pro. In fact, this is just a framegrab from the version uploaded to YouTube, so it's not even the full detail. But as you can see, the detail is amazing (click to see the full version). At 8K, each frame of the video has 29.5 megapixels (7680 x 3840), around twice the nominal resolution of a Ricoh Theta photo. Just think about that… BTW, you can see how a framegrab from the Insta360 Pro compares to a Ricoh Theta S photo here.
YouTube began fully supporting 5.7K and 8K videos in September 2017, enabling smooth playback as long as your PC has adequate performance and your internet connection has sufficient bandwidth. However, 6K 3D 360 does not yet play smoothly as of October 2017. On other platforms such as Facebook and Vimeo, videos are limited to 4K. Nonetheless, a video shot at 8K or 6K then viewed as 4K has more detail than a video shot at 4K.
As for audio, the Insta360 Pro has four microphones for 360 audio. However, in the real world, audio is not one of its strengths. First, there is a lot of 'popping' when the sound is too loud for the microphone. Second, the internal fan is quite loud. Outdoors it is not an issue, but indoors in a quiet environment, it can be heard easily. Third, the volume of the microphone is sometimes too low. Fourth, the audio seems to be out of sync with the video.
Insta360 has added a noise cancellation feature for the fan noise, but I haven't compared to see how effective it is. As for the other issues such as volume and synchronization, Insta360 is working on them. UPDATE: Insta360 has improved the audio by adding a spatial audio mode and a fanless mode (which will allow the camera to shoot video without the fan, for up to 15 minutes).
In any case, it is possible to use an external microphone (it has a mic input jack), although many pros will probably record audio on a separate device.
See the Insta360 Pro v 2.0 update improvement on stitching quality Insta360 Pro allows you to choose between optical flow stitching or scene-based stitching.
Scene-based stitching is a type of template-based stitching. It stitches the videos according to a specific distance (determined during stitching calibration). This is the mode that Insta360 Pro uses for videos with realtime stitching. It is faster but the stitch is perfect but only at the specific stitching distance. Objects that are within the stitch line and move farther or nearer that specific distance will have some doubling (if they are farther than the stitch distance) or splitting (if they are closer than the stitch distance).
The other stitching mode is optical flow stitching which can move pixels during stitching. In theory, it can stitch at all distances simultaneously (i.e. both near and far objects) as long as there is sufficient overlap between the lenses. The Insta360 Pro's stitching with optical flow is smooth and seamless except for objects that are within the stitch line near the camera, especially near the zenith or nadir. Those objects can look like they are vibrating or oscillating. However, Insta360 already has a new optical flow stitching algorithm that addresses this issue. I've seen the result and it does work. We should see an update in a couple of weeks.
To avoid issues with stitching, you need to ensure that important compositional elements, especially people, are not within the stitch line. Because the Insta360 Pro's lenses are approximately eye-width apart, it is instinctive for people to face it the way they would face a person. If they do that and you are shooting in 2D, they would be squarely within the stitch line. You need to show them how to avoid the stitch line by having them face one lens at a time when shooting in 2D.
If shooting in 3D, the reverse is true. You would need to stay between two lenses to avoid the 3D stitch line. If you stand squarely in front of one lens, you would be within the stitch line in 3D.
Here is a playlist with 8K 2D 360 and 6K 3D 360 videos. I also included both optical flow and template stitched samples for each so you can compare how the stitching looks with each method. Note: these samples were stitched using the first version of the software. More recent samples have improved stitching, especially with the zenith and nadir.
In addition to Insta360 Stitcher, you can also use third party software. In particular, Mistika VR works very well for stitching Insta360 Pro and has more advanced stitching features such as being able to create masks to customize which lens to use when an object is within the stitch line.
– it can stream in 2D or 3D 360.
– you can have realtime gyro-based image stabilization while live streaming.
Here is a playlist with more sample videos in daylight conditions. The first two are 6K 3D 360 videos that were stitched on a desktop with scene-based stitching (similar to template based stitching but it's calibrated for a particular scene). The third is a 4K 3D 360 video stitched in-camera (it was taken later in the day, hence the different color temperature). I also added samples with optical flow stitching. I composed the shots for 3D so I implore you to watch these in 3D to get the full effect.
Here is a playlist with sample videos in indoor lighting conditions (somewhat dim). All of the videos are 6K 3D 360, and I also posted versions with both scene-based stitching and optical flow stitching.
Insta360 released v2.0 update to the firmware and app, which added many improvements.
The firmware update improves the Insta360 Pro's dynamic range (both highlight and shadow range), clarity, low light performance, and white balance. These improvements affect both photos and videos. Here is a comparison showing the improvement in dynamic range and clarity.
You'll notice that the sky has much better highlight range despite having the same exposure. There is also much better shadow detail. Foliage that looks like blocked shadows has much better shadow detail in the updated version. Finally you'll see improved clarity. In the distant building on the left, the windows are better defined than before the update.
2. Improved low light performance (decreased noise).
Another major improvement is to the Insta360 Pro's low light performance, which now has much less luminance noise.
3. 60fps (interpolated) for both 8K and 6K 3D 360 videos.
As mentioned above, the update improves the stitching of the zenith, through a new feature called zenith optimization. It looks quite impressive.
How would you like to get home from your shooting session to find that Insta360 Pro has already stitched your videos and photos for you? Insta360 Pro already has 4K realtime stitching but it can also stitch all other video and photo modes, including 8K 2D and 6K 3D, in-camera with optical flow stitching (albeit not in realtime), using Insta360 Pro's internal graphics processor. In fact, Insta360 Pro's processor is so powerful that it might be able to stitch videos faster than some PCs. The primary benefit is that you'll be able to use the Insta360 Pro during its downtime to stitch videos in order to save time. Right after a shooting session, you can start stitching with Insta360 Pro's internal processor so that by the time you get home, some or all of your photos and videos will have been stitched. This could also be useful for multi-day assignments where you can have the Insta360 Pro stitch photos and videos overnight. I tried it and YES it does work!
To use this feature, Insta360 Pro and your laptop must be connected to the same network (the various wired and wireless options for connecting the Insta360 Pro to your PC, pls. see the livestreaming tutorial above). In the Insta360 Pro's menu, go to settings and choose StitchingBox. This will display the Insta360 Pro's IP address from the network. Then on the Insta360 Stitcher, enter the IP address shown on the Insta360 Pro's onscreen menu. The Stitcher then connects to the Insta360 Pro. You'll see the files in the Insta360 Pro's memory card (or SSD drive if you're using one). There's no delay at all. It's as responsive as if the SD card were being read directly by your PC. The only exception is when previewing stitching calibration, which seems to take a long time.
As with the normal workflow, you can specify the file name, and you can select "Add to Batch List." When you've added the files to the queue, select "Start all" below the queue to begin stitching. Stitcher will show a status that says "Preparing" but in a few seconds, Insta360 Pro will begin stitching.
After stitching has begun, you may disconnect the Insta360 Pro from your laptop, and the Insta360 Pro will continue to stitch. So, for example, after a shooting session, you could use this to begin stitching so that when you get home, some or all of your files will have been stitched.
Insta360 Pro's screen will show the progress based on percentage, and the number of files that have been successfully stitched, or which have failed to stitch.
6. 12K super resolution mode.
The Insta360 Pro can take a burst of up to 10 photos and combine them for increased resolution (12000 x 6000 vs. the normal resolution of 7680 x 3840).
Insta360 Stitcher now has a tone curve that you can use to adjust highlights, midtones, and shadows in realtime. The mobile app also now has a live histogram.
10. Longer Wi-Fi range: To increase the Insta360 Pro's wireless range, Insta360 recommends connecting to a phone's 4G hotspot, or a mobile router such as the Netgear Nighthawk M1. Insta360 will also launch its own wireless adapter.
Google Streetview Auto Ready (announced 10/2/17): Insta360 Pro will become the first Streetview Auto Ready camera. There will be a new 5fps photo mode and an optional GPS USB accessory to add location tags automatically. This means that you can mount the Insta360 Pro to your car, drive around, and it will be able to take Street View photos.
In January 2019, Insta360 posted an app update (2.1) and firmware update (firmware 210) for the Insta360 Pro that added major new features, most importantly HDR.
In addition, the original unstitched photos can be stitched identically in Insta360 Stitcher so that they can be easily fused using 3rd party software such as Photomatix HDR. (For a 15% discount on Photomatix, use the code 360rumors ).
2. Prores 422. Insta360 Stitcher 2.5 can now stitch Insta360 Pro videos in Prores 422 for maximum image quality and minimal compression.
3. Improved dynamic range. Firmware 210 increased the highlight range without decreasing the shadow range.
4. Improved flat color mode. The new flat color (similar to log mode) noticeably increases the camera's highlight range. In the photos below, you can see the flat mode (bottom) has much better highlight detail in the sky and the sunlit wall, and slightly better shadow range (look at the lamp above the umbrella).
5. Chromatic aberration correction. The camera can take a reading of its lenses to create a customized chromatic aberration correction.
As mentioned above, part of the shooting workflow for Insta360 is that you have to re-calibrate every time you move the camera. If you have Mistka, you don't have to worry about that anymore. On April 3, 2018, Insta360 and SGO announced that Mistika VR will now feature Insta360 Pro calibration. What this means is that you won't have to do a calibration in the field. Instead, you can simply do a calibration at the time of stitching. This is made possible because Insta360 gave Mistika their calibration algorithm, so calibrating with Mistika is just as accurate as calibrating with Insta360 Pro's built-in calibration function.
Insta360 announced the Insta360 Farsight, a new transceiver combination that can be used to control the Insta360 Pro or the Insta360 Titan at a distance of up to 3 kilometers (1.86 miles) from ground to air, or 500 meters from ground to ground. It uses 5.8 GHz broadband, for interference-protected, ultra-low-latency connection. You'll also be able to see live preview at 1080p.
The transceiver can clamp on to a phone or tablet, or can be connected to a Mac or Windows laptop. It will be released this summer. The cost has not yet been announced.
At IVRPA 2018, Insta360 announced the launch of their Adobe Premiere plugin for the Insta360 Pro, enabling no-stitch editing. This was first announced in late April and is now being released in beta, as they promised. For Adobe Premiere users, you'll be able to edit Insta360 Pro videos before stitching it, thanks to a new Insta360 Pro plugin for Premiere. This plugin will generate a proxy file for unstitched Insta360 Pro files using realtime stitching (the framerate will depend on your PC specs). You'll be able to edit your video using the proxy files in the same way as conventionally stitched video. When you're ready to export, all changes made to the proxy version will be applied 1-to-1 to a full-quality version, and the footage involved will be stitched using Insta360's optimized algorithm.
This new plugin has several benefits. First, you'll be able to begin editing more quickly without having to first stitch the videos. Second, instead of the video being compressed twice (once during stitching and again after editing), video quality is maintained through the final render. Third, you save time since you only stitch the footage that you need to use.
For PCs with lower specs, it is also possible to use the plugin to produce prerendered proxy files. Prerendered proxies will play back more smoothly and will be less demanding on hardware.
One disadvantage is that the stitching is not customizable with this method. Another issue is that if you need the video for more than one project, you will end up stitching each time for the other projects. If either of these are issues, then you can use the conventional workflow, stitching the video before you bring them into Premiere.
3. 8K viewing with Crystal View.
Until now, it has not been possible to view 360 videos greater than 4K 3D resolution. But now, Insta360 is adding a new feature to the Insta360 Player app to enable it to play videos of up to 8K resolution. The feature is called Crystal View and it works by selective rendering. Only the portion viewed by the user will be rendered at full resolution, while the rest of the video will be rendered at a lower resolution. Insta360 is adding Crystal View to versions of the Insta360 Player for iOS, Android, Gear VR and Oculus Go.
In summary, the Insta360 Pro produces amazing photos and videos with excellent image quality. I especially love the 3D 360 modes (for photo and video). The 3D effect is very noticeable yet natural.
Beyond the image quality, I was surprised at how easy it is to use, both while shooting in the field (not just in controlled conditions) and stitching the files. It is much more practical than I expected, and is easy enough to use that I will be using it as my primary 360 camera whenever conditions allow, not just for assignments. And I think this is what truly sets it apart from other professional 360 cameras.
I will update this review to discuss other features of the Insta360 Pro such as image stabilization, time lapse, and other features.
If you have any questions, please post them in the comments. In the meantime, if you want to buy Insta360 Pro, here's how you can get a discount: for a limited time, you can get a free battery and free charger (worth $198) with your purchase (you'll end up with two batteries in total) by using this special link! Or if you are in a hurry, you can get it through Amazon or B&H Photo. Thank you for using these links to support 360 Rumors at no additional cost to you so I can do more tests, reviews, techniques and updates.
Has insta360 said anything about adding depthmap/6dof support to the camera at a later date?
Re depth map I'll check. I know it's possible.
Re 6dof you mean something like Facebook X6 or X24? I haven't heard anything about that.
As I understand it 6dof is created from combining the video and depth map so the depthmap is made available to us we could do our own 6dof videos.
Hi Trevan, yes I understand the concept but the possible range of movement with that method seems to be very small. In addition, unless the depth map is very detailed, the people and objects would look like cardboard cutouts if you look at them at 6dof. So far, the depth maps I've seen from cameras such as the Yi Halo don't look sufficiently detailed. Having said that, I've been surprised at what Insta360 has done, so it's possible… Let me inquire with them.
Sorry, didn't mean to be presumptuous. I wasn't sure if there was any extra magic that the facebook cameras did to create their effect. I am eager to learn of anything you hear from insta360!
No problem at all, Trevan. Facebook X6 and X24 use thermal imaging to provide the depth map information. I don't know how accurate their depth map is.
I do have a Lytro camera (the original type) which uses a light field array and I can tell you that the depth map from that one is very poor and nowhere near sufficient to provide 6dof.
Kandao Obsidian also claims to be able to generate a depth map but it does cost a little bit more than an Insta360 Pro, and I don't know how accurate it is.
The only 6dof demo I've seen that has convincing depth so far is the LIDAR-based camera that Hype VR used. But we'll see….
Thank you very much Giorgio! I hope that Insta360 can sell these in larger quantities so that they can decrease the price a little bit.
Great review, Mic. I've been watching your youtube channel and appreciate all of your hard work getting the word out about the various 360 options out there. My Insta360 pro is supposedly shipping this week and I'm eager to run it through its paces. I'm shooting a 250 degree narrative short with the Entanya MFT250 lens on the GH5 in the next couple of weeks and was hoping to use the Pro for behind the scenes coverage. If my camera doesn't get here in time, I'd be curious if you'd be interested in participating with your Pro. Thanks again and keep up the great work!
Wow great article. I actually never use the 3D 360 Photo as it is currently nowhere to post in on social media. So you know a popular social platform that I can show my 360 3D photos easily?
Thank you very much Hugh. Yes you're right that's a problem. The only platform that supports 3D 360 that I know of is Gala360, and your photo will only be seen by others if selected by their editors. So it's not a realistic option. So far other than emedding on your own website with VR Views, the other way is just to send a file, and ask them to view it, so it's not a great solution.
I've asked several 360 photo sharing websites to create the option for 3D 360 and they said yes but nothing is happening….
Very detailed review Mic, thanks. What about the spatial audio feature? Do we have any sample videos on YouTube?
Hi James sorry for the delayed reply. I don't have a spatial audio example, but I'll add one in Part 2 of my review. I have some sample 360 videos (without spatial audio) on youtube.com/360rumorscom .
Hi Mic, just received my Insta360 Pro and the enclosure color is a straight black finish. Perhaps only the early orders come with a gunmetal blue?
Great review. I received mine about the time you did and have been putting it through paces. Agree with all your points.
Thanks for the review. "Pro" cameras with more than 2 lenses still have a long way to go to be perfect. Photos are still better shoot with a DSLR and a good "360" setup. And for video i think a 2 lens setup is the best since you only get one stitching line. I just hope the image quality of this setup can improve.
Thanks Ralph. Yes for photos, a DSLR panoramic setup is still better. For video yes 2 lens would be great for stitching, although you will need a large sensor for better image quality, and similarly, you'll need a much larger lens for a larger sensor.
Love all of your work, and your advice is awesome.
I was really excited as I started reading through. Once you up the resolution in YouTube, the video looks great (but how many viewers know to do this, or have bandwidth to support it.) Then I saw how juttery the video is; like there are frames missing. Is it just me and my setup, or is the video not at all smooth? From what I was reading, I was considering dropping the cash, but from the demo videos, I'm much more hesitant. Just when the manufacturers are starting to come out with editing that lets you pick the 16X9 area to show from the full 360, making 360 much more accessible to the mainstream viewer, stepping back out to a full 360 experience, but getting juttery video seems like a bad deal.
Hi Marc, sorry i just saw your qusetion now. the jitteriness is not because of insta360 pro. The jitteriness is due to youtube not being able to support 8K at that time. but now youtube does support 8K, so if your PC has sufficient power (gtx 1050 or above equivalent), it should playback smoothly.
For 6K 3D 360, it still doesnt playback smoothly on my setup. not sure if it's a youtube issue, my pc being not powerful enough, or both.
I am having the exact same issue as Marc and I'd been searching for answers. Thank you for offering up some clarity!
Have you had any issues with your videos not stitching? I will shoot multiple videos, one right after another, with the same settings (8K|30F) and when I bring them into the Insta360 Stitcher, some will just come up with a black screen and the time will be 00:00. I tried to figure out the pattern (i.e. Is it the first video after calibrating? Is it when I start recording via the app vs. pressing the button on the camera?) and I have found no consistency as to when it will/will not actual capture what I am recording. This is with the V160 firmware. I just downloaded/installed the new V165 firmware but haven't had a chance to test it yet.
Hi Emilee. TBH I have not experienced that. Is it possilble that you thought you were recording but it actually didnt record? You might also post this on Insta360 Pro Feedback Group. They will probably want to see one of the empty files.
These comparisons are really helpful! It would be nice to have some footage to check out details and stitching on my own machine.
is any way to hard reset camera to restore factory settings?
Firstly, please unlock the camera's firmware degrade limit.
Use the Pro PC of 1.3.0 version or above to connect to the current camera.
What would you say is the better camera between the obsidian range and insta pro or zcam . Doesn't seem to be any real life in the field comparisons and I know you've had your hands on most of them.
Hi Hugh and from your perspective (quality, workflow, price) which one is better suited for Virtual tours (indoors and outdoors) ?
Thanks ! the only downside I could see, is the price on the Obsidian is almost 2 times the one with the Insta360 Pro, but what a great feature is the RAW+ !!
Thanks Hugh. But doesn't raw+ work with all cameras, including insta360 pro?
Worth noting that you must also manually download the beta version of Insta Stitcher to use many of the v2.0 features, such as super resolution. The upgrade is astounding though, IMO. Even just for dynamic range, noise, and improvements in stitching.
Love the tutorials-nice job and the camera is impressive for the price. Can you detail time-lapse work flow in a future tutorial? I am having trouble finding any info on how to get into an "intervalometer" type mode.
Hi Mic Ty. Im using the 2.0 Beta on the camera and do not see it in video mode. Any hints on where in the app. Any help is appreciated.
I would still love to see a tutorial but after your reply I was able to get into the Desktop app and set up a custom timelapse setting. Hopefully they can get that ported to the iPad app soon. Thanks so much for the lead. Exactly what I needed.
Hi Mic, thanks for your incredibly in-depth review. I've been searching around, trying to find more information on the Gyro stabilization. It works for me in the Record Preview mode and I've seen it work when Live Streaming to a monitor using the HDMI connection.
However, when Live Streaming to a YouTube event, my team can't seem to get the Gyro feature to work. If we flip the camera, the image, including the Live YouTube Stream, flips as well. Ultimately, my team is looking to bring this camera to a trade-show and mount it upside down to the ceiling or top of the booth. Do you have any insight on how we can correct the image orientation for Live Streaming?
Thank you very much Jon. I haven't tried streaming upside down but as you said, when I tried live streaming, it was stabilized. How about you? If you stream with the Pro upright or tilted, is it stabilized? If not, then it might be that you disabled gyro in the settings. If it is stabilized, then I think it's because Insta360 didn't anticipate upside down streaming. I think you need to contact Insta360 and ask them to enable upside down live streaming.
Thanks Mic. I confirmed the Gyro setting had been enabled and calibrated on the camera itself, but we just realized there's also an icon in the Desktop App to enable it there as well. We switched it on from the Desktop App and now it's working. Thanks!
What are the file sizes for each resolution?
Hi Daniel. I will take a look.
Great to see your review. Its very in-depth and reassuring. I am in the process of buying the Insta360 pro and I had some specific questions which I am hoping you will have the answers to.
Do you know what the base sensitivity of the capture system is and what ISO setting have you found to perform best in outdoor day situations?
Do you know at what lens aperture is the capture system shooting by default or is there a manual iris control possible with the new firmware upgrade?
I presume 6 fisheye lenses would mean pretty much the entire image is in focus and I would like to have a certain degree of control over this aspect in order to use it as a tool of immersion so I am curious to know if there is some face recognition parameters like the new DETU which might help in this regard.
Hope yo hear from you soon!
-> If you think about buying this camera, you really should know its not a product ready for professional use, as long as you don't have a backup camera. This sounds hard, but in my point of view a professional camera is most of all reliable in all situations. Losing shots because of bad hardware is not an option.
Hi, nice article. But did you test the latest firmware update youself instead of using the pictures and videos from |Insta. As you must know there are major problems with the recent firmware updates Insta send us.
Lots of things go wrong. Insta only wants us to send pictures so tyhey can see whats wrong. They should do their ownR&D before the ship out a new firmware. I experienced more then ones that the camera did not do what it sepposed to do on a shoot for a client. Its also not tru that Insta goes the extra mile for their costumers, maybe in the beginning but not anymore. Its nice that Insta colabarates with Mistika but what they should do is provide us with the Mistika software for free as compensation for all the problems the camera gives us. Its by far not a Pro camera. The state its in now its more a middle consumer class camera. We shoot a lot of 360 videos but stopped using the Pro because of all the issues. Insta is now focussing on their new Pro and not so much on solving the recent problems and thats a shame. It started out very prommising but it went down hill very quick. I was i fan but am not any more.
The only thing i am asking for is a stable working camera that i can use without hasatation so i can make my clients happy.
Hi Rene. Yes I have the new firmware update and haven't had problems.
Hi Rene and which device are you using instead of the 360 Pro ?hope is a device on the same price range.
Hi Kuba, yes they can all be used at the same time. As for the 12k mode to be honest, I don't see any real additional detail. Instead, I see it as being more useful for noise reduction, similar to image stacking.
There were recently reports of a hardware chip change in more recent models, but no details if that was the sensor, cpu, gpu or other.
I have also tried to find out if the camera does or does not produce 4K at 60fps without the use of OF interpolation as there are many contradicting specs published including on 360Rumors. In the light of your review and ratings on your comparison tool, I think an additional statement or rating for reliability is necessary. What is your experience, do you use this regularly to just for evaluation and review?
Just wondered if the Pro is suitable for use in small spaces like truck driving cabs? I'm concerned about stitch lines at close proximity. I've found my Gear 360 2 lens camera easy to manage as I angle the stitch line to avoid key areas of interest. But with multiple lenses how does the Insta360 Pro cope at distances of less than a metre?! Thanks and appreciate the amount of work you do.
I've been having a headache with this and my 360 instinct from using Ladybug cameras several years ago made me worry about stitching and parallax!
The Fusion looks like a great value model, thanks for your reviews. You've saved me from an expensive mistake!!
I just bought the Insta360 pro and was wondering what size of memory card would be ideal. Could you please let me know what the typical size of the 8k 3D photos and videos are?
it would really help me decide the SD card to be purchased. Also can it directly record to an attached hard drive? If so should we format it before attaching it or any hard drive with data is fine?
Congratulations Kishore! I recommend this portable SSD drive (it's cheaper and faster than SD cards): http://360rumors.com/2017/07/faster-cheaper-sandisk-extreme-500-portable-ssd-review.html When you use an SSD drive, you don't have to format every time. That way, you won't delete the speed test results, so you don't need to run the speed test every time.
Hmm after reading so many negative feedback from actual owners and people who use the device on their work (day to day) I'm considering other options line Panono or even the actual offer of the GoPro Omni… any thoughts ?
With the price of the Omni right now, i think it is the best deal for 'entry-level' professional 360 video.
Dear Mic Ty, Hope you doing good..I want to know that i can use this camera for creating HDRI images for CGI uses..?? is that possible ??
Very nice and informative review. I need to do a city to google street view mount it on a car and drive around will it take the photos clearly while driving with no shadows of cars and people ? What about the nadir can it be fixed ? I normally use a dslr and fix nadir fine the camera it is small but when on top of a car can the car be removed like google does ?
Thank you so much for the comprehensive review!
Would you mind sending me a sample of the stabilization data recorded on the SD file ?


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Free Reviews / By admin / September 10, 2019
Electronic music is separated from a variety of genres because of the sound created, the digital model with various audio reproduction tools, this system is often used with a computer with various applications, but can also be created using drum devices and a midi sampler and other production devices.
Digital music played in the sixties, popular bands along with The Seaside Boys and The Beatles used digital equipment to decorate their tune-up sounds. Duran Duran used their synthesizers in the 1980s, they began to create a synthesizer pop scene and affected a lot of electro-pop artists today. Daft Punk gained a reputation in the 1990s, songs from the second album "One More Time" became mainstream hits and introduced electronic music all around the world. Daft Punk didn't fail with their live shows too. In spite of the fact that they don't play their music live, the visual factors in their show highlight their sounds. Today the robotic costumes are taken as synonymous with digital music and have been imaged in movies, for example, in "Tron".
The artists i have picked to compare are SBTRKT and Justice
Justice, the French duet, Gaspard Auge and Xavier de Rosnay, produces a non-destructive house music with heavy rock and metal influences. Their creation started in 2003, they received 13 nominations and won five awards with a beautiful video "D.A.N.C.E.", this music is included in the album "Cross", an album that encourages them to be recognized. They remixed many of the most popular artists, such as Britney Spears and Daft Punk, and their remix MGMT received the Grammy Award. Their singles were related to the famous Wii dance games, and their latest release "Audio, Video, and Disco" was launched in September and received a 4-Star evaluation from The Guardian. Of course, Justice has a strong influence of rock and metal on their image and musical styles; their production, which consists of cutting basslines and distorted synth sounds, has created great advertising, which is considered to be very powerful and extremely loud.
SBTRKT is also used as a pseudonym of Aaron Jerome, who is a relatively new artist and his music could be called "post-dubstep", in other words, there is more soulful sound of electronic music, full of subtle drumlines, separate instrumentation and darker vibes. His music is in constant rotation over Radio One, and his tracks range from minimalistic dubstep to electro house with heavy disco influences.
SBTRKT is a pseudonym used to support the concept of anonymity. As he explained in an interview, he'd rather not talk about himself as a person, he lets his music speak for itself, he portrayed this through his name SBTRKT which is pronounced "subtract".' The name allows him to express his music as separate from any single person or image and it sounds special. This is unlike the Justice duo as they seem to show off the rock star lifestyle outside of their music, and this is obvious in their documentary "A Cross The Universe"' clips in which the Justice member took part with all the images of women showing bare breasts, pouring alcohol over edges, and taking various drugs. SBTRKT is represented as a more down to earth individual, who lives for the music, rather than the lifestyle that successful music exposes. Justice is represented as a duo who seem to propagate fast life, die young philosophy, this is evident in their music videos. In the music video for "Stress", Justice even caused uproar. The video is centered on young Parisian teenagers who go about the city and violently harass civilians in public, vandalize property, the video also shows many people of black skin beating up white people, which led to people thinking of the video as racist. Gaspard Auge of Justice only said in an interview that they were expecting some fuss obviously, but definitely not on those topics. The video is disturbing and stunning to watch at the same time. Apparently, Justice purposefully chose such a controversial director to create a music video to accompany "Stress", the video raises popularity of albums, which is key for an artist to be remembered in the music industry. Of course, Justice releasing "Stress" was a fantastic going to introduce Justice to a mainstream audience, but I think they shouldn't continue a controversial approach to music, as it is possible that they will produce music and develop the same image of being provocative and scandalous to fit the agenda for popularity, instead of giving priority to their personal wishes, being themselves and creating the music they really want to.
SBTRKT suits the music industry perfectly, he has given an original image to himself, and now wears a mask, and allows the mask to be the face of his music, electronic music in a unique way, as he mixed popular genres RnB, soul and dubstep to create his own unique combination. The self-titled debut album of SBTRKT received a 8.1 rating off Pitchfork, it placed the album at number 42 on its list of the "Top 50 albums of 2011″. His live shows have been described as being perfect, they consist of SBTRKT using digital and acoustic drums, along with Sampha, a frequent associate plays alongside him with keyboards and adds vocal pieces to his tracks."The Pharaohs" composition includes the popular soul performer Rose Gabour, a video directed by Tim Brown, who also directed Tinie Tempah's "Pass Out".
I agree with the video may want to have driven greater limits, however being the manner it's far now – easy however memorable, the video permits it to be extra on hand to the audience, Rose Gabour seems to be the front of the video, this pushes SBTRKTs ideology to let the song to the speaking as opposed to him, as he might have produced the instrumental and wrote the lyrics, bu appears to be in the background of the tune video, occasionally dj'ing in his trademark mask while Rose Gabour dances, this represents SBTRKT to be subtle, however powerful.
To finish, I accept as true with each artists excel within the kind of digital music produce, Justice, write addictive melodies in their production and avoid the frat-boy marketplace many digital manufacturers much like Justice appear to observe, wherein there's a big element of macho-ism being reflected, for example artists including Skrillex who additionally consist of steel affects has appeared to have wandered far from the ethos of electronic tune, in which he and different digital producers alike have developed a brand new ethos in which it's continuously a conflict to create to most filthiest bass sound, however in effect, the sound they produce happens so frequently in current electronic song that It almost seems to be bland and repetitive, Justice has maintained a unique element of their song, and produced a various musical style, the duo constantly preserve up with the ever-converting digital genre, but additionally upload their personal aptitude to it, as with SBTRKT who has developed a highly precise musical style which I predict will take the UK song scene by storm very quickly.
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Clydesdale Bank shrugs off IPO delay
By Erikka Askeland
Clydesdale Bank chief executive David Duffy
Investors welcomed the commencement of public trading of the owner of Clydesdale Bank yesterday after bosses brushed off a brief delay over credit rating concerns.
Shares in Clydesdale and Yorkshire Banking Group (CYBG) closed 5% up to 192p last night after its debut on the London Stock Exchange yesterday morning. Volatile financial markets had seen it come into the market at 180p – the lower end of a range offered to investors in the run up to the flotation.
David Duffy, the bank's chief executive hailed a "landmark day" for the newly independent UK challener bank, after its owner National Australia Bank (NAB) demerged its UK business. Critics of the Australian owners have been unhappy with multiple writedowns, capital infusions and losses at the UK unit, which NAB acquired in 1987.
The flotation had been delayed by a day after an unnamed ratings agency had raised questions about a tranche of the bank's secured funding balances.
But Ian Smith, the bank's chief Finance Officer dismissed the concerns as "perfectly manageable, practically a non-issue".
Mr Smith, a former partner with Deloitte who lives in Kinross, added.
"In an environment where you are asking people to make an investment, you owe it to them share all pertinent information to them and they were very comfortable with it.
"The bank has an investment grade rating from three rating agencies. There's no issue over any of that."
Mr Duffy said that the decision to delay the IP marked a new level of trust between banks and shareholders that marked a change for relations in a sector that have been tarnished since the banking crisis.
"We postponed it for a day and give our shareholders absolutely a chance to have an open discussion about it make sure they are comfortable before proceeding
Every single one of them made the comment that this was very good to see in the prospective new relationship that we had done that
"We are very confident in the register so we didn't have any concerns about delaying it 24 hours.
"We said this was about re-setting the company and shareholder relationship, and you should trust us we will always be transparent and open
"This is a good example of it."
The CYGB IPO comprised an offer a 25% stake in CYBG by NAB. At the same time, a demerger of National Australia Bank's remaining 75% stake in CYBG is being effected through a distribution of shares to the parent's own shareholders.
"We are pleased with the response from institutional investors to the IPO, including from NAB shareholders, despite the recent significant market volatility," NAB Group Chief Executive Officer Andrew Thorburn said.
Clydesdale and Yorkshire Banking Group (CYBG)
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When considering public environments, such as education centers, libraries, museums and hospitals, art adds to the educational experience and livens the ambiance.
When working on an education center project with students, the theme is chosen by the center and the students create their vision of it. I then take all the student drawings and combine as many as possible to create the final product. I want to educate the students on technique, to allow them the freedom to design specific elements of the piece, and to feel as though they have ownership in the design and finished product.
It is a collaborative effort, allowing students to express themselves in their art work, leaving a positive and lasting impression on their school environment.


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The ABC is not 'commercial free' – just ask Peppa Pig, oink!
April 30, 2014 10.00pm EDT
Karen Vered, Flinders University
Karen Vered
Associate Professor, School of Humanities, Flinders University
Karen Vered does not work for, consult, own shares in or receive funding from any company or organization that would benefit from this article, and has disclosed no relevant affiliations beyond their academic appointment.
Flinders University provides funding as a member of The Conversation AU.
Make no mistake, Peppa Pig brings home the bacon. slimmer_jimmer
Due to Australia's small population and high concentration of few media voices, public broadcasters play a pivotal role in shaping the media ecosystem and cultural landscape. With the ABC and SBS under scrutiny ahead of the budget, The Future of Public Broadcasting series looks at the role of these taxpayer funded broadcasters, how they shape our media and whether they provide value for money.
Even before digital TV brought Australians the dedicated channels ABC 4 Kids and ABC 3 (also for kids), the absence of advertising on ABC TV has been an important feature of the service and particularly in its programming provision for children.
High-quality programs that appeal to children, delivered in an advertising-free environment, seem to meet the needs of the double constituency that makes up the audience: child viewers and parents who want their children to have quality entertainment experiences without being pushed products from the capitalist marketplace.
Who better to provide a shelter from corporate consumerism than the taxpayer-funded public broadcaster? But does the ABC really offer that protection?
When talking about television, there is a tendency to confuse the notions of "advertising-free" and "commercial-free", and the place where a clear distinction between the two dissolves most rapidly is in children's programming.
While the ABC remains free of commercial advertising, sourcing content from a wide range of global producers and distributors to fill the hours of airtime with "quality" programs, the properties that make up children's programming today are often highly commercialised.
Take the British television program for pre-schoolers Peppa Pig, whose pedigree can shine a light on what is perhaps the more important distinction to be made here between the broadcasting environment and its content.
Leaving aside discussions about the show's political orientation, Peppa Pig airs in Australia on advertising-free, public television (ABC 4 Kids) – that is its local broadcast environment. But its origins are firmly commercial.
London animation company Astley Baker Davies produces the show and in the UK it airs on the commercial free-to-air station, Channel 5 and Pay TV's NickJr; similarly in the US, it airs on commercial cable network Nickelodeon and NickJr.
In between the production house and the broadcaster stands the commercial distributor, eOne (Entertianmentone). eOne's licensing portfolio contains some of the top children's properties, Peppa Pig, Ben and Holly's Little Kingdom, and for the teen set The Twilight Saga. Peppa Pig resides within the firm's Family division based in London but their TV branch also has offices in Los Angeles, Montreal, Toronto and Sydney.
Peppa Pig is seriously bringing home the bacon. If you have not yet run across the Peppa merchandise, a visit to your local ABC Shop will be an eye-opener. Given the economic realities of ABC's financials, they'd be fools not to partake in the profitable retailing of merchandise associated with the brands they air, although they do not always have exclusive rights and licenses.
Sales of plush Peppas fund more advert-free quality TV.
Let's not kid ourselves, this is consumerism at its best. From "big boy" underpants and PJs to ice packs for ouchies, plush toys, bath toys, back packs, figurines, paper party plates and Peppa Pig play dough, the ABC Shop sells consumables for children that are based on the content that they run on ABC 4 Kids: Giggle & Hoot, Ben and Holly, Octonauts, The Wiggles, Play School, Postman Pat and many more.
Nearly every character or concept has a product line. So, despite being broadcast in an advert-free environment locally, the characters of these beloved TV shows are commercialised, global product brands and at their core is television – quality television.
Nunzio Balbi
Commercialisation and quality are not mutually exclusive but when it comes to television and kids, it seems to get the adults confused. Recently a parent told me:
Oh, he doesn't watch TV, he just uses the iPad.
The little fella was watching TV programs on the iPad. This type of viewer migration from one device to another is not unusual in households with tablets and smart phones. But in addition to offering another screen for TV content, mobile devices and online services also offer children a range of hybrid experiences.
Content that normally airs with advertisements in a commercial broadcasting environment can be accessed online in an environment that, while not entirely advert-free, appears to only be selling children the content they are already consuming, just like the ABC Shop.
Take Dora the Explorer, which runs free-to-air on Channel Nine. Australians can access the NickJr. website to view videos, play games, and download craft activities based on the popular television programs.
A recent visit to the NickJr. homepage loaded three adverts: a banner for Beaurepaires, a click-through for Energy Australia, and a click-through for Open Universities Australia. While there is advertising here, it's not aimed at children and the site's other features are so much more inviting that children would be unlikely to change electricity providers.
Quality content is device agnostic and the migration of TV content to mobile devices just might help improve TV's status in the culture wars that have deemed free-to-air TV to be little more than mass mediocrity.
Read more articles in The Future of Public Broadcasting.
The future of public broadcasting
Children's television


He has not been well-received.
In an attempt to use humour to connect with voters, Conservative lobby group Advance Australia has revealed their plans to campaign with satirical mascot Tony Abbott.
With Abbott's rich history of satire along with his uncanny ability to create headlines not even the best satirical writers could invent, you would think the new strategy would be a sure-fire winner.
Tony Abbott, minister for women.
UN official 'talking through her hat' on bushfires and climate change, says Tony Abbott.
"Difficult things happen": Tony Abbott defends Sri Lanka.
Tony Abbott's business adviser says Australia taken "hostage" by "climate change madness".
No more national parks as Tony Abbott pledges to support loggers as the "ultimate conservationists".
Sadly for conservatives and their mascot, what with the rise of white supremacist violence and the climate apocalypse bearing down on us, voters just aren't so keen on joke candidates.


2017 was a year of change in the Dubai real estate market, where we witnessed real estate trends transform to new and refreshing positions, off-plan sales revive market sentiment and an abundance of supply open the doors for many affordable opportunities in the sales market and offer more options and lower rents in the rental market.
The current momentum in sales activity is driven by a larger proportion of end-users than before, particularly first-time buyers, who are entering the market enthused by lower prices and encouraged by attractive payment plans offered by some developers.
Off-plan sales has dominated 2017, accounting for 68 per cent of all sales transactions to date and has increased by 55 per cent year on year. As of November 27, there have been 18,657 off-plan apartment sales transactions. The most popular unit types for off-plan apartment sales were one-bedrooms, accounting for 39 per cent of these sales transactions and studios accounting for 36 per cent of the transactions.
> Jumeirah Village Circle covering 11 per cent of the transaction volume with the top three projects being Ghalia Constella, Belgravia and Bloom Heights.
> Business Bay covering 11 per cent of the transaction volume with the top three projects being Aykon City, Bayz by Danube and Damac Towers by Paramount.
> Downtown Burj Khalifa covering 10 per cent of the transaction volume with over 1,500 units sold in the Downtown area and over 300 units sold in the Opera District.
> Al Furjan covering eight per cent of the transaction volume with the top three projects being Azizi Residence, Azizi Plaza Serviced Apartments and Roy Mediterranean Serviced Apartments.
> Dubai South covering eight per cent of the transaction volume with the top three projects being The Pulse, Mag 5 Boulevard and Emaar South.
To date, there have been 3,957 off-plan villa/townhouse transactions. The most popular types were three-bedrooms, accounting for 54 per cent of the transactions and two-bedrooms accounting for 24 per cent of the transactions.
> Town Square covering 31 per cent of the transaction volume.
> Arabian Ranches 2 with 27 per cent of the transaction volume.
> Dubai South with 18 per cent of the transaction volume.
> Mohammed Bin Rashid City with 11 per cent of the transaction volume.
> Reem Mira with 3.6 per cent of the transaction volume.
The secondary market accounted for 32 per cent of the sales transactions in 2017. Prices in established communities with limited upcoming supply have held stronger than emerging locations even as marginal price declines continue. One of the main reasons sales activity in the secondary market has been low this year is due to prices still trading at a premium and sellers not very motivated to negotiate. However, in Q4, sellers have started to budge on their pricing which has caused an increase in secondary sales.
This year, we have seen the shift in power from the landlord to the tenant. Due to new supply, rent declines for residential properties in Dubai have been more pronounced than sales price declines over the last 12 months.
According to Property Monitor's database of rental contracts, no area or property type was immune to the declining trend. Areas with more supply are obviously impacted higher but other established, mid-market locations are also affected as consumers are shifting and opening their options to areas they never considered before. With new supply coming into the market in suburban communities, we are seeing tenants shift from established communities to like-for-like product in suburban communities at a cheaper price over multiple cheques. According to Property Monitor, four cheques annually are now the average, with 42 per cent of villa/townhouse contracts negotiated with four cheques and 54 per cent of apartment contracts were done with four cheques.
According to the Property Monitor Supply Tracker, which tracks supply in real time, there are a little over 13,000 units expected to be completed by end of the year. A majority of these projects will most likely get pushed to Q1 2018. However, there are quite a few projects which are looking to be very near completion in Al Quoz, Business Bay, Jumeirah Village Circle, Sports City, Al Furjan and Town Square.
> Mohammed Bin Rashid City with over 3,800 units.
> Jumeirah Village Circle and Al Furjan, each with over 3,700 units.
> Damac Hills with over 3,200 units.
> Town Square with over 2,500 units.
> Akoya Oxygen with over 2,900 units.
> Deira with over 2,100 units.
> Dubai Marina with over 2,400 units.
The writer is partner and head of Property Monitor at Cavendish Maxwell. Views expressed are her own and do not reflect the newspaper's policy.
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Audio & Video Forums > AV Forums > Rave Recordings > 2012 albums - your highlights/lowlights
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Getting much spin:
Astra - Black Chord
Big Big Train - English Electric Pt.1
Frequency Drift - Laid To Rest
Headspace - I Am Anonymous
Marillion - Sounds That Can't Be Made
Squackett - A Life Within A Day
Taylor's Universe - Kind Of Red
The Sea & Cake - Runner
Wovenhand - The Laughing Stalk
Muse - The 2nd Law
Mystery Jets - Radlands
Aimee Mann - Charmer
ZZ Top - La Future
Ultravox - Brilliant
Donald ***en - Sunken Condos
Divine Fits - A Thing Called Divine Fits
Great Lake Swimmers - New Wild Everywhere
Nada Surf - The Stars Are Indifferent To Astronomy
Just OK:
The Shins - Port of Morrow
Ben Folds Five - The Sound of The Life of The Mind
Grizzly Bear - Shields
The Gathering - Disclosure
The Killers - Battle Born
The Darkness - Hot Cakes
Keane - Strangeland
Rush - Clockwork Angels
Smashing Pumpkins - Oceania
Zeus - Busting Visions
David Byrne & St.Vincent - Love This Giant
Pinback - Information Retrieved
meh:
The Pineapple Thief - All The Wars
Anathema - Weather Systems
Izz--Crush of Night
What ifs, maybes and might-have-beens award:
Ian Anderson : TAAB 2 (Whatever Happened To Gerald Bostock)
You like the Muse disk? It's not doing anything for me at all. I've spun it about 20 times hoping it will click at some point. But all I hear is a whole lot of meh.
jonnyhambone
following your lead,
Getting much spin time:
(Codeine box set)...reissue/remaster
ExitMusic
Jakob Olauson
Mt. Eerie (both Clear Moon & Ocean Roar are great)
Julia Holter
meh (or just not giving them much time...):
Kelly Hogan
...maybe some more that I haven't picked up yet or not thinking of right now.
I like it better than than the last one, The Resistance. I enjoy the songs but I do get where some might have been let down, what with their big media push months before the release by leaking the title track on You Tube, implying some sort of high concept, which it isn't at all. In fact, the title track Unsustainable feels tacked on, and its sister track Isolated System sounds like something Alan Parsons Project might have released in the '80s (I guess if you're going to make a career out of hummingbirding the classics, may as well visit APP too). There still isn't enough distance between the Olympics and the song Survival for me either. I enjoy the bombast of their approach and there are some good songs here. Two songs were actually written and sung by the bassist and they hark back to their earlier works. Its a worthy successor to Resistance.
Mr MidFi
OK, I'll play.
Getting significant spinnage:
Jack White – Blunderbuss
Andrew Bird – Break It Yourself
Andrew Bird – Hands of Glory
The Vaccines – Come of Age
Divine Fits – A Thing Called the Divine Fits
DIIV – Oshin
Cat Power – Sun
The Walkmen – Heaven
Green Day – Uno!
Each of these titles range from "pretty damn good" to "ok, better than a poke in the eye". A few of them are continuing to grow on me, especially the DIIV, Vaccines and Cat Power discs.
2011 releases that would have figured very prominently in my list, but I didn't get them till this year:
The Vaccines – What Did You Expect…
Bombay Bicycle Club – Different Kind of Fix
The War On Drugs – Slave Ambient
Of those, The Vaccines' first album would be a very strong contender for my Album of the Year if it'd been released this year. I love that album. Their newer one has taken time to get used to.
Live albums (cuz those don't really count):
The Decemberists – We All Raise Our Voices to the Air
Porcupine Tree – Octane Twisted
Led Zeppelin – Celebration Day
Wilco – Roadcase #2, Geneva, IL (07.08.12)
The first 3 above are excellent recordings and engaging listens. The Wilco thing is notable because a) the show happened just a few miles from my home, b) it was the best show I've seen from them, and c) Andrew Bird appears on a couple of tracks.
Album of the Year:
White Rabbits – Milk Famous
I've looked at a fair number of 'best of' and 'year in review' lists all over the inter-webs, and I haven't seen these guys mentioned in anybody's top 20. So clearly, this is just a case of my having atrocious taste. But I calls 'em like I hears 'em… and no 2012 release gave me more enjoyable listening minutes than this one did. It's like a 50/50 mix of Spoon and Phoenix. Hey, it works for me.
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Assuming you meant "MidFi" and not "Hyfi"... I've cleared off all my junk, Fyi. And thanks.
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noddin's 5 Notables of 2012
Accelerando: Vijay Iyer Trio
I didn't buy much jazz this year, but this is by far the best of what I did.
Arrow: The Heartless Bastards
Every time I listen I think that they'll break big someday, and when that day comes I'll wish they hadn't. They sound like they push all they've got into every song until that you think it will all fall apart. Hearts on their sleeve honesty in the music. Straight ahead rock with heart and soul.
The Money Store: Death Grips
Sonic assault from every direction for the days when you want to hear everything turned up to 11. Delivers. I don't think it's possible to play it too loud.
Among the Leaves: Sun Kil Moon
I can just unplug and listen to them ramble and ramble.
Undersea : The Antlers
If only this were a full-length release. Wonderful.
Jack White, Fiona Apple, and Andrew Bird's Hands of Glory (I like it more than Break it)
Happy I bought 'em
WIXIW : Liars
Beams : Matthew Dear
Ekstasis: Julia Holter
Fear Fun : Father John Misty
Shields: Grizzley Bear
Sun : Cat Power
What we saw from the cheap seats : Regina Spektor
Not sure why I bought 'em
Sweet Heart Sweet Light: Spiritualized
Port of Morrow: Shins
Nootropics: Lower Dens
Banga : Patti Smith (really should listen to this someday)
Bringing in the Darlings : Josh Ritter
I enjoy the previous lists. I'll have to seek some of those out!
a few elaborations and additions to my list (I know some people loathe the lists but I'm a sucker for them and tend to keep some funds for new year-end things that sound like their in my wheelhouse...)
Goat: World Music
this is the backstory to end all, even if its not for real. But amazing, cool, somehow not contrived, afro-beat psychedelia from a forgotten town in northern Sweden. Just a fun, rockin', unique album.
Getatchew Mekuria & The Ex & Friends: Y'Anbessaw Tezeta
another 'world music' album, for real on this one. Members of the Amsterdam anarcho-punk collective team up with 91 year old African saxophonist to create freewheelin' improv'ed takes on traditional folk compositions with a horn and punk-filled edge.
DIIV - Oshen is a fantastic album that I discovered from checking out some other's year-end lists...great reconciliation of 80's synth.-pop and clattering punk-y shoe-gaze.
The Andy Stott album is super high on my list, and the Godspeed has moved up to a 'frequent spin' level. Really strong year of new releases and some great reissues.
Just got the D'Angelo: Voodoo remaster and it's excellent. Light In the Attic has been doing a nice job with their reissues, good selections (esp. from a little label) and sq has been nice on the vinyl.
Also the David Kilgour: Here Come the Cars reissue on DeStil Records is great. His first solo album has the sound - guitar, vocal, and songwriting - that he brought to The Clean, but with a laid-back feel that a solo album might allude to but not always deliver on in this way. Some great Kilgour-esque guitar workouts, concise and lovely. This is a great album that is finally readily available on a nicely recorded and cleaned up vinyl pressing.
You all have a lot of albums/bands listed I need to check into.
A couple of albums this year I remember I really liked...... OK, I can't play, I discovered most of what I was going to say was actually released in 2011. There is from 2012:
Adrenaline Mob - Omerta (straight forward R&R with notable members Mike Portnoy and the singer from Symphony X)
I did buy Mystery but it wasn't a first spin grabber, still on the "spin again list"
I also picked up In This Moment - Blood, which at this point is alright, I didn't mind the bit of experimenting here with sound but the songs aren't as strong as Beautiful Tragedy but Blood is better than some of the former titles of theirs.
I'm always playing catch up buying music. I recently heard Alan Parson's, Valid Path, I think 2004, I thought it was really good, he got into a bit of Electronica, killer remix of The Raven, any way this title is low stock and new about $21.00, it must be now out of print. It's a shame I thought it was a strong album, I guess trying something new the album just didn't fit any where on radio and not much publicity though David Gilmour did a bit of guitar.
Jack in Wilmington
Not a lot of new stuff in 2012. but these 3 come to mind.
Gotten a lot of TT time.
Rush............Clockwork Angels
Played more than once and still enjoying.
Santana...............Shape Shifter
When jazz is on the agenda.
Najee...........The Smooth Side of Soul
mitchellin
I spent more time in the studio this year playing with my band than I did listening to the latest and greatest. If I had to list my picks I would say...
-Unkown Hinson "Reloaded"
-The Whigs "Enjoy the Company"
-Chevelle "Hats Off To The Bull"
-Rush "Clockwork Angels"
There were a couple of live comps that I enjoyed...
-Umphrey's Mcgee "Live at Red Rocks"
-Widespread Panic "Wood"
Otherwise, I really dug in and listened to older influences to help me define myself behind my drumkit. For sure, I see some good stuff listed in other submissions above and I will be checking out some of those.
I didn't keep very strict track of 2012 releases that came into my hands, so I don't feel qualified to put together a comprehensive list (maybe I will at some point), but that list would start with this one:
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It's a collaboration between Neneh Cherry and Swedish free-jazz ensemble The Thing. Might seem like an odd proposition for those who only know Neneh for her 1987 club hit "Buffalo Stance" (and I do love that song dearly) but it's not as strange when you know that her father is avant-garde legend Don Cherry. I dunno; the record's great. I heard their cover of Madvillain's "Accordion" and was sufficiently wilded out enough to buy the record, and everything else is at least that good. The cover of Suicide's "Dream Baby Dream" included is incredible (making that at least 3 fairly different readings of this song that I unabashedly love, including the original and Bruce Springsteen's cover that was in his live set a few years ago). Probably my favorite thing of the year.
~Rae
Heard this is good ^ ...need to stop buying stuff but, ya know...
a few 2012 releases picked up in the past week or two...
I'm a big Tall Dwarfs fan so I was thrilled to see this come out of left field. Sounds suprisingly good - a soundboard recording with songs that have inklings of the later Tall Dwarfs fuzz punk/pop but much more of the punk. Really good. Toy Love, Live at The Glue Pot, 1980
Can 'Lost Tapes' is in the mail - 5 lps may be extreme but will be psyched to have this and it's already out-of-print.
Moss Icon / Complete Discography boxset - only know a couple songs from these guys from an old mix tape but sorta bridges the gap between 80's Dischord punk and Slint...
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Running kinda late on my list of favorite records of 2012. My lack of motivation is primarily due to my lack of enthusiasm over most of what I picked up last year. I don't think I'm alone. Looking at various year end lists, there is an obvious lack of consensus over what the top records are. I don't think it's because there were tons of amazing albums. Everybody scrambled all year to find solid records and the fracturing is just folks trying to find something-anything to listen to that was better than average. At any rate, these are mine, your results will most certainly vary:
Cloud Nothings – Attack On Memory. The only record on my list that really could be considered a consensus pick. To my mind, the best record by a mile. Punk rock with some diversity to keep it from ever getting monotonous. Even the nine minute "Wasted Days" is totally engaging throughout.
2. Frightened Rabbit- State Hospital EP. Never before has an EP made my top 10 list and this isn't by default. There's just something about Glasgow bands. Emotionally bleak but highly energetic indie rock. If these are the tracks that didn't make the cut for the upcoming album then something special must be coming soon.
3. Sigur Rós-Valtari. Art Rock. The dude sings like a chick. The lyrics are primarily gibberish. Totally works and I've been a fan boy since their album ( ). Soaring guitars, crashing drums, towering synths. Magical musical soundscapes that no other band on the planet could pull off.
4. Alt J. – An Awesome Wave. Weird vocals in the vein of Clap your Hands Say Yeah combined with a sonic gimic a la' Sleigh Bells. This band isn't a one trick pony however. Amazing energy presented in a relatively original way.
5. Cat Power – Sun. Not super big on the singer song writer thing although I am a fan of both Moon Pix and You Are Free. This one is completely different. Very heavy on the electronica and much more heavily produced than an album with slow guitar based ballads. There was some backlash from some of her followers but the new direction was strong enough to land this album on a lot of top 10 lists.
6. DIIV- Oshin. They owe a lot to Joy Division as well as later post punk acts like Interpol. DIIV presents a totally enjoyable take on their version of darker Dream Pop.
7. Purity Ring –Shrines- Their label is 4AD so you know it's electronica. Ambitious melding of dream pop, R&B, Hip Hop, and electronica into an enthusiastic album great for late night with a special person.
8. Django Django – S/T. Not related to the Quinton Tarrantino movie. Kind of like the Dodos with the infectious quirkiness but the music is less percussion fueled and more like Nintendo sounds on steroids played against the organics of guitars. At the very least it was fairly novel.
9. The Babies – Our House on the Hill – My last purchase of the year so inclusion here is pretty much a gift. Lo-Fi garage rock. Well crafted pop songs.
10. De/Vision – Rockets and Swords. I love it, you won't. De/Vision is one of the better synthpop bands that I still follow. If you own more than one Depeche Mode album and can name more than one Soft Cell tune then you might enjoy them too.
Best local band/Album: Antennas Up - The Awkward Stage
Records I liked but weren't nearly as great as I had hoped: Beach House, Shins, Calexico, Silversun Pickups, Mark Langegan Band, Flaming Lips and Friends, Wild Nothings........
Worst Records Public Image Limited, Cursive, Clinic, Bloc Party, and way too many other to type.
Best Hope for the Future: New Junip Album coming Spring of 2013
I found another 2012 album in my collection I liked, Skrillex. Only 7 tracks but fun and it seems their sound has influenced a lot of Pop I hear on the radio today, not to mention a collaboration on a Korn song.
I found myself listening to more of this type of music over the last 6 months. Besides Skrillex, I also enjoyed the offerings of Bassnectar. I can really pressurize our entertainment room with this kind of music...I just wonder what it sounds like in the homes to our left and right?
I'm back, Three Days Grace, Transit of Venus, another good R&R album I liked and just noticed from 2012.


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Planned Parenthood to retrain in reporting risks
NEW YORK – Health care provider Planned Parenthood will retrain employees who deal with patients in how to report potential risks to minors, following the release of secretly recorded videotapes by an anti-abortion group that alleges they show clinic staff counseling a man posing as a pimp for underage prostitutes.
Planned Parenthood, which has more than 800 health clinics and 11,000 employees nationwide, announced the retraining effort Monday. It also said it was changing its disciplinary policy to termination in all proved cases in which there has been a failure to report. The policy previously included punishments such as leave without pay and retraining.
Planned Parenthood Federation of America Inc., which has national offices in New York and Washington, D.C., says it delivers vital reproductive health care and sex education to millions of people. It said Monday the goal of retraining was to show a "firm commitment" to reporting any potential harm to minors.
Federation spokesman Stuart Schear emphasized that the training was not new but was meant as a refresher. He said training will follow state laws where affiliates have clinics.
"We want to be crystal clear for those millions of people who come to us and trust us that we will never put a minor at risk," he said.
The training must be completed by April 1. The new disciplinary policy will go into effect afterward.
Anti-abortion group Live Action last week released videotapes it said showed footage of staff at Planned Parenthood clinics in New Jersey and Virginia talking about services with a man who claimed to be a sex trafficker of minors.
The New Jersey attorney general's office said it was looking into the allegations. Virginia Attorney General Ken Cuccinelli said he found a clip from a video of a Richmond clinic to be "very disturbing."
Live Action, based in San Jose, Calif., claims the videos are proof that Planned Parenthood employees beaks laws to abet sexual trafficking and the exploitation of underage prostitutes.
Live Action's president, Lila Rose, did not immediately respond to an e-mailed request for comment about Planned Parenthood's decision to retrain staff. She previously called on Congress to cut off federal family planning grants to the organization.
Planned Parenthood has defended the actions of its employees and has said the encounters with the fake pimp were reported to managers, who in turn discussed the cases with law enforcement.
The organization also sent a letter to U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder seeking an investigation of a man who has visited clinics purportedly seeking services for underage prostitutes. The letter said the visits could be aimed at casting the organization "in a negative light."
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It's that time of year, the air show season has arrived and we will soon all be heading off to Paris for the biennial jaunt to Le Bourget.
While we will be expecting the usual big orders from the commercial sector the Shephard team will be focusing on what is going on across the defence market.
Of course for all the avgeeks out there the F-35 will be making its debut appearance, alongside the AH-64 Apache and CH-47 Chinook.
In 2015 there were 48 countries present with 150 aircraft on display, similar numbers are expected this year.
We are expecting to see more comradery from the European defence sector as the US criticises some NATO members for their lack of spending.
The outlook for defence spending appears to be more promising than that of recent years due to European economies stabilising since the 2008 financial crash and the impact of Russian action both within and outside of Europe adding to a general sense of insecurity in the region.
Alongside this the EU is proposing a new defence fund of around £870 million for new military technologies. This could focus on UAS.
Safran will be showcasing its Patroller which has been selected as the replacement for the Sperwer UAS currently deployed with the French Army's 61st Artillery Regiment from 2018.
The French army will be showcasing its Tigre, Caracal and NH90 helicopters alongside the notoriously noisy Dassault Rafale Air.
The US DoD will also maintain a large presence with the P-8 Poseidon, V-22 Osprey and C-130H on display.
US company Boeing already highlighted some of its ongoing programmes at the annual Boeing Media Tour, all stories from the event can be read on our dedicated show news site.
With our schedules set and our bags packed we are now heading across the channel for the air show. We look forward to seeing you at Le Bourget!


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Sony is ramping up production of the PS4 to deal with PS5 chip shortage
Karthik Mudaliar Neowin @heykarthikm · Jan 12, 2022 10:46 EST with 25 comments
The PlayStation 5 is perhaps one of the hardest-hit products by chip shortage during the pandemic. It has been 14 months since the launch of the PS5, and buying one is still extremely difficult, as far as having to pay a huge price to scalpers on eBay is concerned. Sony is now planning to continue manufacturing the PS4 and the PS4 Pro as an alternative to the pricier PS5.
Sony had initially planned to discontinue the assembly of the PS4 by the end of 2021. However, it now seems that another million units of PlayStation 4 might come out of the factory in the year 2022. As to why Sony might have decided to make a generation old product again, the PS4 is easier for the company to make and it also features chips that are less advanced. It is a budget-friendly alternative to the PS5 as well.
A spokesperson from Sony confirmed to Bloomberg that the PS4 will continue to be produced this year. Increasing production will also give Sony an upper hand while negotiating deals with manufacturing partners. "The PlayStation 4 is one of the best-selling consoles ever and there is always a crossover between generations," added the company spokesperson.
Sony also recently revealed details about the PlayStation VR2 which is essentially a new headset device enabled for virtual reality.
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GREENSBORO, N.C. -- Lindsay Gauldin posted a team-high 18 points as Guilford College won its seventh straight game, 72-57, over visiting Bridgewater College. The victory also clinched an Old Dominion Athletic Conference (ODAC) regular-season championship for the Quakers.
The Quakers improved to 18-5 and 15-2 in the ODAC. Guilford has won 11 of 12 games and 16 of its last 18 last outings. The Eagles dropped to 14-9 overall and 8-8 in conference play.
Gauldin was 5-of-8 shooting, made 7-of-8 free throws and grabbed a game-best eight rebounds for the home club. Calyn Davis and Julie Carini both contributed 14 points for Guilford. Miracle Walters (13 points) was the fourth Quaker to record digits in the game. Brianna Allen netted eight points and fell two points short of having all five Guilford starters scored in double figures. Davis had four steals in the contest.
Bridgewater never led in the game. Helped by Gauldin's eight points, Guilford led 16-13 after the first quarter. Madison Baum tallied eight points in the first period for the Eagles. Bridgewater rallied to tie the contest twice in the second period, the second time at 22-22 with 3:20 left in the half. The home team, however, outscored the Eagles 5-2 the rest of the way and Guilford held a 27-24 edge at the break.
Guilford blew the game open in the third quarter. The Quakers made 9-of-15 shots in the period and outscored Bridgewater, 27-14. The Quakers' biggest lead was 17 points after Gauldin's three-pointer with 1:36 left in the third quarter pushed the score to 52-35. In the final period, Briana Moore hit two free throws with 3:37 remaining to close the margin to 63-55, but the visitors got no closer.
Moore recorded a game-high 20 points for the Eagles. She was 8-of-15 from the field and collected a team-best six rebounds. Baum netted 10 points in the game, with just two coming in the final three quarters. Guilford held Rebecca Harvey to eight points (2-10 shooting), six below her season average.
Guilford shot 49 percent (24-of-49) to Bridgewater's 40 percent (21-of-53) for the game. The Quakers committed 12 turnovers and forced 20 Bridgewater miscues. The Eagles won the battle of the boards, 33-30.
The Quakers host William Peace University Monday (2/11) at 5:30 p.m. in Guilford's final regular-season home game.


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Goa CM Parrikar tells schoolkids about his 'adult movie' experience
Goa Chief Minister Manohar Parrikar was interacting with school students on the Children's Day.
india Updated: Nov 15, 2017 09:12 IST
Indo Asian News Service
Indo Asian News Service, Panaji
Goa Chief Minister Manohar Parrikar was interacting with school students on the Children's Day.(Gurinder Osan/HT PHOTO Files)
Goa Chief Minister Manohar Parrikar on Tuesday shared at a Children's Day function here his experience of watching an "adult movie" in his youth.
Parrikar was interacting with school students when one of them asked what kind of movies the former Defence Minister watched during his younger days. "We would not just watch movies, we have also watched adult movies of that era," Parrikar replied.
"You are seeing more things on TV now than what was shown on adult movies back then."
"There was a popular (adult) movie. I was an adult at that time. Me and my brother had gone to watch it. During interval, when the lights came on and I realised that my neighbour was sitting next to me. This neighbour used to chat with my mother every evening. I told myself, we are dead," said Parrikar.
The Chief Minister, who is known for peppering his speeches with anecdotes, said that both he and his brother Avdhoot ran away from the movie hall, leaving the movie mid-way. On the way home, he came up with a plan to "pre-emptively" handle the crisis.
"When we reached home I told my mother, we had gone for a movie and we did not know that the movie was vulgar... We left it (movie) mid-way. And very casually I told her, that our neighbour was also there and kept quiet," he said.
"The next day, the neighbour excitedly called my mother to tell her that Manohar and Avdhoot had gone for an (adult) movie. My mother asked him, I know which movie they went for, but why did you go for the movie? You have to pre-empt certain things," Parrikar summed up.
First Published: Nov 15, 2017 09:07 IST


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