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When Rahm Emanuel worked as Chief of Staff for President Obama, he was known to have advised against the administration pursuing a comprehensive amnesty as a bad move during a time of extreme unemployment.
Now Emanuel is campaigning to be mayor of Chicago, and his Democrat opponents are remembering and accusing him of insufficient ethnic pandering. Oops! Funny how the Raza gang demands complete allegiance to the mass amnesty goal, with no wavering allowed. Rahm got smacked around pretty good recently when the open-borders bunch ganged up on him.
And other candidates think that Rahm isn't genteel enough for Chicago politics – "too brutish" – who knew? The new sensitivity is amazing to behold in a city famous for its rough politics.
Poor Rahm. After the Tucson mass murders, he appeared uncomfortable when quizzed by a reporter asking him about his famous admonition to "never let a good crisis go to waste."
It's a tough job to remake his image from Rahmbo the enforcer and sender of dead fish to the sensitive candidate sufficiently solicitous of illegal alien concerns.
Here's a longer look at Rep Luis Gutierrez performing at his presser, where he appears determined to use the open-borders issue for his maximum personal benefit.
Latino leaders criticize Emanuel on immigration, ABC-7 News, Chicago, January 14, 2011
For the first time, Rahm Emanuel squared off against the other three major candidates in the race for mayor of Chicago. And the other three were ready to throw their punches.
Friday's forum was a meeting with the Chicago Tribune editorial board.
Not only was Emanuel's weakness among Latino politicians laid bare, he also took a frontrunner's beating at the debate, which was closed to the press.
As the four candidates left the Tribune tower, three of them agreed that Emanuel deserved to be a target.
"He hasn't faced the communities and neighborhoods across the city. He basically has had a Rose Garden strategy," said Miguel del Valle, candidate for mayor.
Part of the focus was on Emanuel's alleged reputation as a political brute.
"A lot of people have expressed to me that they are worried about such a brutish reputation being in the mayor's office of Chicago," said Gery Chico, candidate for mayor.
"Temperament is a very important thing. If you're sending dead fish to people, I mean, come on," said Carol Moseley Braun, candidate for mayor.
But the former White House chief of staff said his opponents' attacks should be focused elsewhere.
"Let's attack the problems facing the city of Chicago. I think the public will make an evaluation of who is the best candidate with the best ideas and the strength of character to see through the changes that are necessary for our city," said Emanuel.
Emanuel took the biggest hit of the day an hour later when Congressmen Luis Gutierrez and Bobby Rush were joined by some of the most powerful Latino politicians in the city, county and state. They condemned Emanuel's record on immigration reform.
"As a member of Congress and as chief of staff in the White House, he took actions to harm immigrants," said Gutierrez.
On Thursday, Emanuel offered what he called a local version of the Dream Act to help the children of undocumented immigrants. He said his record on immigration is the same as Gutierrez.
"As a congressman, about half my work was immigration reform. I voted just like Luis Gutierrez," said Emanuel.
But Gutierrez angrily disagreed, displaying a letter he wrote to Emanuel last month demanding the candidate stop deceiving Chicago voters.
"The whole story is that as a leading member of Congress and as chief of staff of the White House, Rahm has not stood up for immigrants," said Gutierrez.
Emanuel, the son of an Israeli immigrant, said those he served in Congress know the truth.
"I also helped, as a congressman, people who are stuck in the bureaucracy of the system get their citizenship," said Emanuel.
Congressman Gutierrez is supporting Gery Chicago for Chicago mayor. But the disagreement with Emanuel over immigration reform goes back several years.
Early on in the campaign, Emanuel claimed the support of Juan Rangel, the Latino leader of the United Neighborhood Organization. Since then, however, Latino political leaders have thrown their support to other candidates.


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After doing live events in Toronto and Vancouver, Kapil Sharma has now become a tourist in the country. The comedian has been enjoying a luxurious holiday and continues sharing professionally taken pictures and videos of himself with expensive vehicles. In the most recent, Kapil made fun of driving a fancy car on a "walk."
On Thursday, Kapil posted a photo of himself posing in front of a Dodge Challenger Hellcat on his Instagram page. In his orange jacket, the comedian resembled the Ferrari. He used the see-no-evil monkey and the goofy face emojis in the caption "Going for a walk in a car."
Fans complimented Kapil's distinctive style in the comments, making the jest that only he could take a walk in a car. One admirer responded, "Only Kapil sir can do this," and another, "Bade log kuch b kar sakte hain (Rich people can do anything)," respectively. "Kya style hai (What style)," a third wrote.
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Rupali wore a purple sari with shine to the occasion. She knelt down in the video and brushed the journalist's feet, asking for his blessing. Chaitanya appeared overwhelmed in reaction. An account belonging to a paparazzi has uploaded the video.
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"You shall make two cherubim of gold, make them of hammered work at the two ends of the mercy seat. "Make one cherub at one end and one cherub at the other end; you shall make the cherubim of one piece with the mercy seat at its two ends. "The cherubim shall have their wings spread upward, covering the mercy seat with their wings and facing one another; the faces of the cherubim are to be turned toward the mercy seat.read more. Christian Canvas Art
Jacob lived in the land of his father's sojournings, in the land of Canaan. These are the generations of Jacob. Joseph, being seventeen years old, was pasturing the flock with his brothers. He was a boy with the sons of Bilhah and Zilpah, his father's wives. And Joseph brought a bad report of them to their father. Now Israel loved Joseph more than any other of his sons, because he was the son of his old age. And he made him a robe of many colors. But when his brothers saw that their father loved him more than all his brothers, they hated him and could not speak peacefully to him. Now Joseph had a dream, and when he told it to his brothers they hated him even more. ... Christian Canvas Art
and in the cutting of stones for settings, and in the carving of wood, that he may work in all kinds of craftsmanship. "And behold, I Myself have appointed with him Oholiab, the son of Ahisamach, of the tribe of Dan; and in the hearts of all who are skillful I have put skill, that they may make all that I have commanded you: the tent of meeting, and the ark of testimony, and the mercy seat upon it, and all the furniture of the tent, the table also and its utensils, and the pure gold lampstand with all its utensils, and the altar of incense, the altar of burnt offering also with all its utensils, and the laver and its stand, the woven garments as well, and the holy garments for Aaron the priest, and the garments of his sons, with which to carry on their priesthood; the anointing oil also, and the fragrant incense for the holy place, they are to make them according to all that I have commanded you." The LORD spoke to Moses, saying, "But as for you, speak to the sons of Israel, saying, 'You shall surely observe My sabbaths; for this is a sign between Me and you throughout your generations, that you may know that I am the LORD who sanctifies you. 'Therefore you are to observe the sabbath, for it is holy to you. Everyone who profanes it shall surely be put to death; for whoever does any work on it, that person shall be cut off from among his people.
Protestant aesthetics achieved a highpoint during the Dutch Baroque era (c.1600-80). This period, known as the Golden Age of Dutch art, witnessed the ultimate development of the realist style adopted earlier by Flemish painters. Although portraits and landscapes were also popular, the period is best known as the high point of Dutch Realist genre painting, and what is known as still life painting (arranged tableaux). Leading genre painters of the Protestant Reformation came from a variety of schools. Adriaen van Ostade and the Catholic artist Jan Steen represented the Haarlem school; Jan Vermeer and Pieter de Hooch represented the Delft school; Hendrik Terbrugghen and Gerrit van Honthorst belonged to the Utrecht school; Gerrit Dou represented the Leiden school; Samuel van Hoogstraten and Nicolaes Maes were members of the Dordrecht school; and Carel Fabritius, Gerard Terborch, and Gabriel Metsu belonged to the Amsterdam school. Christian Gifts
He measured the length of the building along the front of the separate area behind it, with a gallery on each side, a hundred cubits; he also measured the inner nave and the porches of the court. The thresholds, the latticed windows and the galleries round about their three stories, opposite the threshold, were paneled with wood all around, and from the ground to the windows (but the windows were covered), over the entrance, and to the inner house, and on the outside, and on all the wall all around inside and outside, by measurement.read more.
Only one major innovative example of Christian church architecture was built in Europe during the 19th century - the Sagrada Familia, Barcelona (1883), designed in a highly decorative neo-Gothic style by Antoni Gaudi. Celebrating the Holy Family and the mysteries of the Catholic faith, this extraordinary church with its tree-like formation of vaulted structures includes five towers and twelve campaniles. Made of stone and concrete, the building is embellished in parts with ceramic tiles, pompom finials and numerous sculptures, but is still not completely finished. Gaudi himself was inspired by the Arts and Crafts movement and was associated with the Catalan Modernista school.
Once Christianity was legally permitted, its need for religious art increased rapidly. New churches were built as centres of worship, using the architectural design of the basic Roman Basilica (used for civic administration and justice). A typical basilica church had a central nave with one or more aisles on either side and a semi-circular/polygonal apse at one end, covered by a semi-dome or sectional vault; the apse became the presbytery and contained a raised platform, upon which sat the bishop, his priests, and also the altar. Baptisteries were also designed and built for various rites, notably baptism followed by annointing-with-oil, as non-baptized people could not enter the Christian Basilica. Most interior decoration of these new religious buildings was done with mosaics, although mural paintings have also been uncovered. The sculptural decoration of sarcophagi became more intricate, often illustrating numerous scenes from the bible. But almost no sculpture in the round was made, for fear of creating pagan-style idols. Relief sculpture was therefore standard, mostly in stone although ivory carving was another popular medium. Overall, the 4th century witnessed more art, the use of richer materials, and the development of precise narrative sequences, as in the mosaics of Santa Maria Maggiore in Rome and the later 5th century churches of Ravenna. In addition, during the 5th century, Christian imagery began to accord greater importance to religious significance than to realism. Thus realistic perspective, proportions, colour and light were downgraded in favour of standardized conventions and symbols, when portraying Biblical figures and events.
Song of Solomon 8:6-7: "Set me as a seal upon your heart, as a seal upon your arm, for love is strong as death, jealousy is fierce as the grave. Its flashes are flashes of fire, the very flame of the LORD. Many waters cannot quench love, neither can floods drown it. If a man offered for love all the wealth of his house, he would be utterly despised." Christian Wall Art
To the choirmaster: with stringed instruments. A Psalm of Asaph. A Song. In Judah God is known; his name is great in Israel. His abode has been established in Salem, his dwelling place in Zion. There he broke the flashing arrows, the shield, the sword, and the weapons of war. Selah Glorious are you, more majestic than the mountains of prey. The stouthearted were stripped of their spoil; they sank into sleep; all the men of war were unable to use their hands. ... Christian Canvas Art
and in the cutting of stones for settings, and in the carving of wood, that he may work in all kinds of craftsmanship. "And behold, I Myself have appointed with him Oholiab, the son of Ahisamach, of the tribe of Dan; and in the hearts of all who are skillful I have put skill, that they may make all that I have commanded you: the tent of meeting, and the ark of testimony, and the mercy seat upon it, and all the furniture of the tent, the table also and its utensils, and the pure gold lampstand with all its utensils, and the altar of incense, the altar of burnt offering also with all its utensils, and the laver and its stand,
1 Then the LORD said to Moses, 2 "See, I have chosen Bezalel son of Uri, the son of Hur, of the tribe of Judah, 3 and I have filled him with the Spirit of God, with wisdom, with understanding, with knowledge and with all kinds of skills— 4 to make artistic designs for work in gold, silver and bronze, 5 to cut and set stones, to work in wood, and to engage in all kinds of crafts. 6 Moreover, I have appointed Oholiab son of Ahisamak, of the tribe of Dan, to help him. Also I have given ability to all the skilled workers to make everything I have commanded you:
Then Moses said to the people of Israel, "See, the Lord has called by name Bezalel the son of Uri, son of Hur, of the tribe of Judah; and he has filled him with the Spirit of God, with skill, with intelligence, with knowledge, and with all craftsmanship, to devise artistic designs, to work in gold and silver and bronze, in cutting stones for setting, and in carving wood, for work in every skilled craft. And he has inspired him to teach, both him and Oholiab the son of Ahisamach of the tribe of Dan. ...
"You shall make two cherubim of gold, make them of hammered work at the two ends of the mercy seat. "Make one cherub at one end and one cherub at the other end; you shall make the cherubim of one piece with the mercy seat at its two ends. "The cherubim shall have their wings spread upward, covering the mercy seat with their wings and facing one another; the faces of the cherubim are to be turned toward the mercy seat.read more. Christian Wall Art
As it was, Byzantine architecture achieved its distinctive forms during the life of Justinian, who built four major churches in Constantinople, including: the Basilica of Saints Sergius and Bacchus (begun 526); the Basilica of Saint Irene (begun 532); the Basilica of the Apostles (536-46) - whose design was replicated in St Mark's Cathedral in Venice - and the greatest of all, the Basilica of Hagia Sophia (1532-37) (converted to a mosque in 1453, now a museum). Crowned by a massive dome whose weight was carried to corner piers by revolutionary concave triangular sections of stone, called pendentives, and decorated throughout with gold mosaics and multicoloured marble, the Hagia Sophia was the culmination of Roman architecture and a huge inspiration for later buildings throughout the Middle East, including the Sultan Ahmed Mosque. Christian Wall Art


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Can a Baptist become a Presbyterian and still be a Baptist?
Discussion in 'Ecclesiology' started by rbcbob, Jul 20, 2009.
rbcbob Puritan Board Graduate
On another thread the following exchange took place:
I realize that the Reformed Baptist churches are bound together by a common confession, but I would like to see more effort to bind together in more visible ways for outreach and fellowship together. I'm not sure what the best ways to accomplish this would be, perhaps others can contribute some application.
The best way? Become Presbyterian.
That raised a question in my mind. Is Presbyterianism defined, first and foremost, as a form of Church Government with things like baptismal mode a secondary issue; and if so then might a conscience Baptist become a Presbyterian, properly defined? Or to put it another way, can there exist such a thing as a non-paedobaptist Presbyterian?
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There are non-paedo Presbyterians, but strictly speaking, a Baptist cannot remain a Baptist and be Presbyterian. Presbyterianism is a form of church goverance, among other things, which Baptists reject. I suppose a Baptist with no Baptist church in his area can join a Presbyterian church, but if there is no change of conviction, they will remain very much a Baptist. Rich was a member of a Baptist church in Okinawa but he was not a Baptist by conviction, so it cuts both ways.
louis_jp Puritan Board Freshman
I don't know, but if it's possible, sign me up!
Herald said: ↑
I agree. Historically Baptists have understood that the elders of a local congregation are the highest constituted HUMAN authority over a church. Associations can tend to be a half-step toward Presbyterian government but however appealing that may seem it still goes beyond the Bible.
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Bob, associations are not necessarily a "half-step toward Presbyterian government." ARBCA does not supplant the scripturally-bound authority of the local church; neither does the SBC, GARB, CBA, or the ABA among non-Reformed denominations. Associations exist for missions and equipping. Let one of these associations try and act like a presbytery and you'll have a revolt on your hands.
Grimmson Puritan Board Sophomore
Wow, am suprised a Bapist Church let a Presbyterian, keeping in mind most baptist requirments for membership.
Scott1 Puritanboard Commissioner
My understanding is that "Presbyterian" is a denominated as church government by a plurality of elders. That's where the name comes from so that would be an essential.
Whereas reformed theology might be defined as a minimum of:
doctrines of grace "five points" + covenant theology + confession
Historic, reformed, biblical presbyterianism might be:
doctrines of grace ("five points") + covenant theology + Westminster confession + spiritual view of sacraments + church discipline + infant and adult baptism + presbyterian church government
A "hybrid" might accommodate and even be a good place, but it would not be the original.
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I'll have to let Rich speak for himself on that one.
raekwon Puritan Board Junior
There are plenty of Presbyterians who were baptized after their confessions of faith. (If that's the requirement you're thinking of.)
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There were some practices of associational church displine done on pastors from time to time, which I think would be similar to the Presbyterian model. I sited one yesterday with Robert Morris, but it was a pastoral issue and not a general congregational problem. Another case much earlier was with Thomas Selby about a disturbance, but I do not remember the full details. This of course is done by the churches address or if there is a clear confessional breach with respect to a congregation.
On a side note, I do think many SBC churches instead of acting in accordance to their free power in the association does whatever the SBC tells them, which is a clear distinctional difference between a general association and a denomination. This is also reflected by the use of SBC materials.
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raekwon said: ↑
Not just that, but also through immerson. I have even seen a few that says that you sign off in agreement to the core beliefs of the church.
Ivan Pastor
WOW! That's quite a statement and in my experience is patently untrue. I have never heard of a SBC church following blindly what the SBC says. I know that the powers that be, as limited as they are, wishes that the churches would toe the line. They are often pulling the hair from their respective heads because churches won't follow them. As to SBC material, it may be used or not. My church uses material from different entities on a regular basis, but maybe I'm just a rebel!
As for as an association disciplining a church, they only thing that they can do is disfellowship themselves from the church. The SBC did just that at its last annual meeting in Louisville when it disfellowshipped itself from Broadway Baptist Church in Ft. Worth, Texas because of church's stand on homosexuality.
John Lanier Puritan Board Junior
Ivan said: ↑
Most SBC churches that I was familiar with had no clue what went on at the convention level and definitely weren't run by it.
John Lanier said: ↑
Generally speaking, local churches don't know what is going on at the convention, and the convention likes it that way. Why do you think that some of the agency heads (chiefly Dr. Morris Chapman of the Executive Committee) are against the Great Commission Resurgence? Because it (the GCR) is calling for more financial accountability! Still, we have two SBC seminary presidents, Dr. Mohler and Dr. Akin (who wrote the GCR) leading the way. It is a most interesting scenario!
I was talking about in ths past with regard to displine, like the 1700s. Where the assoication actually had power to to excommunicate a pastor if some herersy was taught. There were also cases when a entire church was denied membership to an association or was removed from the association as well during that time.
Good for the SBC for finally taking up ground and doing the right thing in Texas. But as far as their materials, I have had pastors tell me that they had to use Lifeway materials because it was Southern baptist. In one case there is a lifeway associate within the church. So I guess it varried on region or where you go on that issue. Im just going by my own experience and my current frustrations that I have within the SBC, which are many. I just want to pull of my hair, so I guess the feeling is mutual. And I have been in the SBC for about 20 years with the exception of 6 years being else where. I have seen what happens if you dont dont follow in step with the state or national convention if your a pastor, and not over issue of doctrine or confession, but based on style and programs. So I have seen much in blind acceptance of whatever the SBC says in churches and to challenge that is like challenging the Pope of Rome to a Roman Catholic. Church politics can be bloody and a sad thing in our churches, for I have sadly seen to much. The only reason why i am still in the SBC techically is because of the founders movement. Without them i would have left the SBC a long time ago, so I still have hope for reform; but over the horizon I see another fight brewing that will seperate many churches from the SBC or perhaps have an SBC split. i just pray that does not happen.
PresReformed Puritan Board Freshman
The Free Presbyterian Church of North America is full of baptists.
I pray it doesn't happen too. As to materials and program, like I said, I'm a rebel. Ditto on the Founders movement.
Eoghan Puritan Board Senior
A friend and I were bemoaning the state of the C of S re: the infamous minister in Aberdeen. The funny thing, is if he were to be baptised as an adult (having been christened as a baby), he would be thrown out the C. of S.
Believers Baptism seems to be worthy of excommunication where an openly gay lifestyle is not!
I apoligize for my experience, I may go a little overboard for it. I realize not everyone has had such poor experiences with the SBC as me. I am also sorry if we got a bit off track too.
David, we all should be careful painting with broad brushes. Thanks for recognizing that.
tcalbrecht Puritan Board Junior
Not to steal the thread, but I have a somewhat-related question.
A fellow is ordained a minister in the SBC. After a time he joins a PCA church and is taken under care. What is the state of his SBC ministerial credentials? In particular, is he still permitted to perform marriage ceremonies based on his Baptist credentials?
DMcFadden Puritanboard Commissioner
I don't know the technical/theoretical answer to your question. However, existentially, the longer I stay on the PB, the closer I get to becoming one of those Presbyterian cultists and the more disconnected from my Baptist roots. I mean, I've never had my staff in our "Baptist" organization bake me a "Roger Williams" birthday cake!
DMcFadden said: ↑
Dennis, perhaps since I wasn't raised with Baptist roots I find myself becoming more and more Baptistic (from a confessional perspective). That's quite a turnaround considering how close I was to jumping ship four years ago.
PuritanCovenanter Moderator Staff Member
Here is a good little piece that I would recommend. I edited it a bit.
http://www.reformedbaptist.co.uk/What%20Council%20of%20Jerusalem.htm
What Council of Jerusalem? (Acts 15)
The purpose of the two articles on this page is to illustrate why Reformed Baptists are not Presbyterian in their church government..... Establishing Presbyterianism from scripture is most often attempted by citing Acts 15. I hope to indicate with the following articles how weak this argument is.
What Council of Jerusalem?
Suppose the visit of Paul, Barnabas and the others from the church at Antioch to the church at Jerusalem was not a Council. Suppose rather it was a representation and complaint from one local church to another whose members were behaving erroneously and opposing Christian doctrine through mistaken zeal (for superseded Jewish tradition). The account in Acts 15 can be read perfectly logically with no inference of authority, delegation or council. To read in the idea of appeal to the "authority" of the Jerusalem church is bad exegesis.
First we have the cause for complaint from Antioch.
Acts 15.1,2 "And certain men which came down from Judaea taught the brethren, and said, Except ye be circumcised after the manner of Moses, ye cannot be saved.
Then the appropriate** response from the Antioch church to the Jerusalem church.
15:2 When therefore Paul and Barnabas had no small dissension and disputation with them, they determined that Paul and Barnabas, and certain other of them, should go up to Jerusalem unto the apostles and elders about this question."
Suppose the Apostle Paul made the journey to Jerusalem to inform James (the Pastor of the Jerusalem Church – not James the Apostle) and have the problem dealt with at source. The Apostle Paul (and witnesses) took the problem to the responsible Pastor. **This, of course, is precisely how the Lord Jesus Christ teaches us to deal with brethren (fellow believers) when we have issues with them (in Matthew 18: 15-17.)
18:15 Moreover if thy brother shall trespass against thee, go and tell him his fault between thee and him alone: if he shall hear thee, thou hast gained thy brother.
18:16 But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more,
that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established.
18:17 And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it unto the church: but if he neglect to hear the church, let him be unto thee as an heathen man and a publican.
The meeting of the church at Jerusalem.
There were still Apostles in the Jerusalem church (including Peter) -Acts 8:14; 15:4 et sec.
And there were erring members -with the same Judaising attitudes as caused the problem in Antioch. -Acts 15:5 "But there rose up certain of the sect of the Pharisees which believed, saying, That it was needful to circumcise them, and to command them to keep the law of Moses" –and there was the Pastor, James.
Now read the account of the elders' meeting (one church, remember) in which the elders and Paul's came together to consider this matter and to reason. The verb translated "disputation" is suzhthsis, from suzhtev; mutual questioning, i.e. discussion: disputation, reasoning.
15:6 And the apostles and elders came together for to consider of this matter
Note the Apostle Peter's contribution vv 7-11.
15:7 And when there had been much disputing, Peter rose up, and said unto them, Men and brethren, ye know how that a good while ago God made choice among us, that the Gentiles by my mouth should hear the word of the gospel, and believe.
15:8 And God, which knoweth the hearts, bare them witness, giving them the Holy Ghost, even as he did unto us;
15:9 And put no difference between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith.
15:10 Now therefore why tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear?
15:11 But we believe that through the grace of the LORD Jesus Christ we shall be saved, even as they.
Next read Barnabas and the Apostle Paul's contribution.
Acts 15:12 Then all the multitude kept silence, and gave audience to Barnabas and Paul, declaring what miracles and wonders God had wrought among the Gentiles by them.
Finally the Pastor's resolution.
When all had said there piece (note the absence of debate or "dispute" in the negative sense), the Pastor makes his response TO HIS OWN CHURCH, where he is the governmental authority under Christ, even though Apostles are present. His ruling on this issue is:
15:19 "Wherefore my sentence is, that we trouble not them, which from among the Gentiles are turned to God: 15:20 But that we write unto them, that they abstain from pollutions of idols, and from fornication, and from things strangled, and from blood. 15:21 For Moses of old time hath in every city them that preach him, being read in the synagogues every sabbath day."
The Apostles endorse the decision of the church leadership and send men and encouraging letters to Antioch. The tone is apologetic and the Jerusalem church acts on the resolution to put right the wrong done in Antioch.
15:22 Then pleased it the apostles and elders with the whole church, to send chosen men of their own company to Antioch with Paul and Barnabas; namely, Judas surnamed Barsabas and Silas, chief men among the brethren:
15:23 And they wrote letters by them after this manner; The apostles and elders and brethren send greeting unto the brethren which are of the Gentiles in Antioch and Syria and Cilicia.
15:24 Forasmuch as we have heard, that certain which went out from us have troubled you with words, subverting your souls, saying, Ye must be circumcised, and keep the law: to whom we gave no such commandment:
15:25 It seemed good unto us, being assembled with one accord, to send chosen men unto you with our beloved Barnabas and Paul,
15:26 Men that have hazarded their lives for the name of our Lord Jesus Christ.
15:27 We have sent therefore Judas and Silas, who shall also tell you the same things by mouth.
15:28 For it seemed good to the Holy Ghost, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things;
15:29 That ye abstain from meats offered to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well. Fare ye well.
15:30 So when they were dismissed, they came to Antioch: and when they had gathered the multitude together, they delivered the epistle:
The reaction of the Antioch Church
15:31 Which when they had read, they rejoiced for the consolation.
A longer presentation of this argument follows, taken from "The Battle For the Church 1577-1644" by David Gay, pub. Barchus.
"As for the Presbyterian's second claim ‑ that churches should be organised into groups, and ruled by a series of ecclesiastical courts ‑‑ they offer but one attempted scriptural proof ‑ namely Acts 15, which they call a record of the Council of Jerusalem. They say that several churches sent delegates to a Council in Jerusalern to debate a doctrinal issue and formulate bind ing decrees for all the churches which were represented, and this is the standing pattern for all churches for all time.
But this is wrong. Acts 15 does not speak of a synod or Council. What happened is this. Some teachers, who were members of the church in Jerusalem, came to the church in Antioch, where they began to teach error. The church at Antioch was troubled and disturbed, to the extent that some believers were even made to stumble by these false teachers (Acts 15:24). After Paul and Barnabas had disputed with the men concerned, the Anti*och church decided to send Paul and Barnabas to Jerusalem 'about this question' (Acts 152). What if these teachers from Jerusalem, or their friends, went to other churches ‑ Lystra, Derbe, Iconium and the rest? What harm might they do? Would there be men of the calibre of Paul and Barnabas in those churches, men who could silence the false teachers? This would be essential (Tit. 1: 5‑11). And what about Jerusalem itself? Did they realise what their members were teaching, and the damage they were doing? Should they not be told, and thus be able to discipline their mem*bers? Consequently the saints at Antioch decided to send Paul and Barna*bas to Jerusalem to put the matter before the Jerusalem church. The Anti*och believers 'determined' to take this step (Acts 15:2) ‑ it was entirely voluntary on their part, there was no structure or organisation of superior courts in place which made it compulsory. Jerusalem was not the head church. There was no idea of a Council. Paul and Barnabas had already sorted the question out at Antioch. The man of Galatians 1: 12 and 11‑21 did not need to be helped by the counsel of others on the subject! If Paul was prepared to resist Peter, confront him face to face and put the matter right, it is foolish to think that he needed Peter's guidance over the very same issue. Paul and Barnabas did not go to Jerusalem to get a ruling on the question itself. It was the practical responsibility of the Jerusalem church which had to be sorted out. And Jerusalem had to do something to stop the trouble reaching other churches in the Gentile world. There were no 'delegates', not even from Antioch, let alone any other church.
When Paul and Barnabas reached Jerusalem, it was the church they tackled (Acts 15:4); the apostles and elders considered the matter (Acts 15:6). Quite right. Some teachers had gone from the Jerusalem church over which they were responsible and were causing trouble elsewhere by their false doctrine. Paul and Barnabas were taking the issue back to where it belonged ‑ the church at Jerusalem. It was necessary for the elders at Jeru*salem to sort out their local problem, whilst the apostles had to deal with the world‑wide aspects of it. The elders took care of the church members who were under their discipline; the apostles defined the true doctrine. Discussion took place within the church ‑ not at a Council ‑ and a decision was duly arrived at. The false teachers were simply wrong. A letter was composed by the church in Jerusalem, and sent to all the other churches so that no other church would he molested by these false teachers and their arguments (Acts 15:23). The tone of the letter was rightly apologetic (Acts 15:24). It was then delivered with apostolic authority to the churches (Acts 16:4).
Not a Council
There was no gathering of representatives from various churches at Jerusalem, no Council called to decide a common policy. To say there was is unwarranted. It was simply a case of one church holding brotherly contact with another over an issue which affected them both. Jerusalem needed to put its house in order, and that is what the church at Antioch helped it to do. There was no 'appeal' to the Jerusalem church. Far from being a synod or Council, Acts 15 records the transactions at a church meeting ‑ the church in Jerusalem.
As for the letter which conveyed the decision, it must be remembered that the apostles were still alive and resident in Jerusalem (Acts 15:2,4,6,22,23). In order that the infection of false teaching which had come out of Jerusalem should go no further, the apostles joined with the elders at Jerusalem to send out this letter to all the churches. But none of this supports the Presbyterian idea of separate congregations forming one church, following which the churches in a region submit to Councils, Synods and General Assemblies. In Acts 15 no disciplinary action by a legislative Council was threatened against 'dependent' churches. There were no dependent churches. No one church was dominant over another. There was no higher‑court mentality. Interestingly, in passages such as Romans 14 and 15, and 1 Corinthians 8, there is no appeal to this letter. Why not, if the Presbyterians are right? To read into Acts 15 the concept of a law‑making Council with powers over churches through their dele*gates, is a travesty of exposition.
Of course, Acts 15 shows that whilst churches are independent, they are not isolated or insular. On the particular issue of the day, Antioch was right and Jerusalem needed to reform itself. But the church at Antioch, in brotherly love, took the necessary steps to inform Jerusalem of the prob*lem in order to give it the opportunity to do that very thing. The issue concerned both churches. And both churches concerned themselves over each other's welfare. They also thought of other churches. Therefore, even though Acts 15 gives no support to the idea of Councils, it does teach the need for brotherly cooperation between churches wherever possible and whenever it is needed.
Despite this clear teaching in Acts 15, Bannerman, however, asserted that besides the churches of Antioch and Jerusalem, 'there were also repre*sentatives from the churches of Syria and Cilicia, commissioned to go up to Jerusalem on the same errand'. Where did he find any evidence for that statement? What other churches? What commissioned representatives? A few sentences later Bannerman drew back somewhat. Instead of being certain that these representatives were present lie wrote, 'We have deputies ... it would seem, from Syria and Cilicia'. Ah! It would seem! Even so - despite the inference and speculation method once again ‑ Bannerman was prepared to argue, 'Now, in this narrative we have all the elements necessary to make up the idea of a supreme ecclesiastical court, with authority over not only the members and office bearers within the local bounds of the congregations represented, but also the presbyteries or inferior church courts included in the same limits'. With respect, I submit the Presbyterian case is far from being ratified!
In any case Bannerman proved too much by his speculations. If he was right, and the churches he mentioned were represented at Jerusalem, they did not come merely from a district or locality. They came from different countries. And the letter was sent to all churches, even those which had no 'representative' at Jerusalem. In the light of this, are Presbyterians pre*pared to assert the need, the scriptural warrant, for world‑wide Councils with binding authority over all the churches? If so, they are getting very close to the Papist system, developed from the Fathers.
Berkhof, once again, was much more restrained, and rightly so. He said, 'Scripture does not contain an explicit command to the effect that the local churches of a district must form an organic union. Neither does it furnish us with an example of such a union. In fact, it represents the local churches as individual entities without any external bond of union'. Exact*ly so. Why could the case not rest there? But even Berkhof could not resist the temptation to go on to speculate. He said that it 'would seem ... it is but natural that this inner unity should express itself in some visible man*iier, and should even, as much as possible ... seek expression in some corresponding external organisation ... Every one of these terms points to a visible unity ... Certain passages of Scripture which seem to indicate ... Moreover, there are reasons for thinking that the church at Jerusalem and at Antioch consisted of several separate groups, which together formed a sort of unity'. Pretty vague stuff this! But, even though there is no scriptural example nor any scriptural command for these courts, Pres*byterians think they are the standing order for church life!
On Acts 15, Berkhof frankly and honestly admitted, 'This ... did not constitute a proper example and pattern of a classis or synod in the mod*ern sense of the word'. Why go on with it, in that case? But he did. He then developed the 'modern sense of the word' in three paragraphs. He spoke of the representative nature of synods, the way they should be organized, wliat they deal with, their power and authority, and similar matters. What biblical texts did he supply to support his case? None whatsoever! Not one! Even so ‑ and without a shred of scriptural warrant ‑ Berkhof was pre*pared to conclude that the highest ecclesiastical courts have authority over all the churches, they carry great weight and must not be set aside except on the rnost telling of grounds. 'They are binding on the churches as the sound interpretation and application of the law,' he said. What a stagger*ing claim!
This is not a theoretical debate. The outcome of setting up non scriptural bodies and organizations to govern the churches is always diabolical. Presbyterians of the 16th and 17th centuries believed that the decisions of ecclesiastical courts were binding on all the churches, their members and their officers. The consequences would be far‑reaching as we shall see. There are Presbyterians who continue to believe the same today.
Those who hold to this notion of federations and a system of formal connections between churches argue that separate, independent churches are weak. Nothing could be further from the truth. In time of persecution or apostasy, the enemy ‑ Satan ‑ needs only to attack the central authority, the central theological seminary, or the highest ecclesiastical court of the federated Church, and he has captured the entire set‑up. He only needs to poison the central spring, and all the waters will be lethal. At any rate that is what has happened down the centuries. History is littered with the ruins of apostate federations. In a barrel, one rotten apple will corrupt the lot by contact! However, if the adversary has to try to grapple with a host of scattered, unknown, unlinked churches, he has a real fight on his hands. He has got to find them all first! Of course, independent churches can be guilty of apostasy, but at least they have the power in their own hands to resist, they have not delegated it to a higher court. And if other churches should fall, that has no automatic effect on the next. But whatever else is said about it, the separation of the churches is the scriptural way. And that should be the end of the matter.
In this connection, a highly significant and relevant passage is Revelation 2 and 3, concerning 'the seven churches' (Rev. 1:20). By this late stage of the canon of Scripture, the New Testament system of church order was well established. What do we find? Whilst it is always dangerous to argue from silence ‑ though Presbyterians are fond of it, as we shall see ‑ certain points stand out. The seven churches were located close together in one region, yet they are called seven churches, not seven congregations which form one church. Furthermore, there is no hint whatsoever of any organization linking them together. There is not a vestige of support for the idea of one common government over the seven, separate churches. There is no association spoken of. On the contrary, each church is commended for any good within it, each church is responsible for its own faults, accountable for its own failures, and responsible to reform itself under Christ ‑ all without any outside interference whatsoever. What is more, each church is autonomous. It has the full powers necessary to reform itself.
Reader, you will see that the attempted scriptural defence of the Presbyterian system in these matters is largely drawn from the early chapters of Acts. These chapters, as noted earlier, deal with extraordinary apostolic circumstances which had an overwhelming effect on church organization and government in those days. But the ordinary New Testament church order is made very clear in the later books. There (he proper administration of the Lord's supper, the recognition of elders and deacons, and all other church matters, are dealt with in plain instructions. Why is it not possible for the Presbyterians to establish their system from the letters to Timothy and Titus? Why are there no plain passages dealing with synods, church courts, congregations and all the rest of it? We are not left to establish the principles of eldership by inference, are we? Therefore why should we have to do it in the case of synods? The truth is, whilst there is a large amount of New Testament material dealing with the rule, order and practice of local, separate, independent churches ‑ there is nothing whatsoever which deals with the government of several churches that are combined into one church. What is more, though Bannerman might speak of the 'simplicity' of the Presbyterian system, it is evident that it is extremely complicated, and largely speculative. Oh! for the simplicity of the New Testament.
Is there any significance in the unforced admission by Berkhof, 'It seems rather peculiar that practically all the outstanding Presbyterian dogmaticians of our country, such as the two Hodges, H.B. Smith, Shedd, and Dabney, have no separate locus on the church in their dogmatical works and, in fact, devote very little attention to it'? Presbyterians ought to think about that!
To sum up: The introduction of Presbyterianism, whilst it was a huge improvement upon the Papal system did not get as close to the New Testament as mainstream Congregationalism did."
From David Gay "Battle For the Church 1577-1644" pp54-59.
Published in the UK by Brachus, ISBN-0 9529982 0 3.
Edward T Hiscox "Principles and Practices for Baptist Churches." Pub Kregel
Poh Boon Sing "The Keys of the Kingdom"
John Owen, "Nonconformity Vindicated" in Works Vol 13 "Ministry and Fellowship". pub Banner of Truth
Thanks Randy. I will give this a careful read tonight (D.V.)
I would say that the author David Gay is somewhat off the wall in his book Battle for the Church, but he says some good things.
I'm with you, Bill, my time here has caused to look deeply into my Baptist roots. As so I remain.
MW Puritanboard Amanuensis
PuritanCovenanter said: ↑
For further reading I highly recommend William Cunningham's "Historical Theology," vol. 1, pp. 43-79, where the Council of Jerusalem is specifically discussed and the leading principles of Presbyterianism are clearly explained and vindicated.
Nathan Riese Puritan Board Freshman
Keeping to the question at hand,
The answer is No. It's not that hard of a question to answer. The reason why it's not hard is because Baptists and Presbyterians are not the same, therefore if one BECOMES the LATTER, then it is no longer the FORMER. Simple. If a caterpillar becomes a butterfly, can it still be a caterpillar? NO! Because it has morphed into something different and does not retain its being a caterpillar.
Can a baptist (congregationally autonomous, credo-baptist) become a (presbytery governed, paedo/credo baptist) and still remain a baptist? If you're speaking of beliefs, the answer is a simple, "NO"
If you're asking, "can a baptist join a presbyterian church as a member and still remain a baptist" then the answer is yes. I know of some who have done that. many presbyterian churches are not as strict as to force their members into paedo-baptism, so if that baptist can tolerate the different form of government, then there shouldn't be too much of a problem.
Brian Withnell Puritan Board Junior
... but strictly speaking, a Baptist cannot remain a Baptist and be Presbyterian. Presbyterianism is a form of church goverance, among other things, which Baptists reject....
So Baptists are anarchists? I thought Baptists were congregational democracies, at least that's what I thought when I was one.
Presbyterianism strictly speaking is just a form of church government, and it requires a system of courts (not just a single church ... which would be an oligarchy unless there were multiple levels of court). Because a Presbyterian form of government requires the ability to appeal to a higher court, a single church would not have that ability. I have seen some churches that operate governmentally like this ... a session of elders that rule the church, and no denominational relationship to keep the local church in check.
I had thought that "Baptist" was generally a doctrinal stand strictly on Baptism, not on church government. Do *all* Baptists agree on governmental form?
Brian Withnell said: ↑
I am sure there is some Baptist church out there that will throw a wrench into my argument, but Baptist churches are congregational. We do not have the hierarchical framework of our Presbyterian brethren. We are not anarchists. We recognize that God has ordained elders to lead the church. The elders answer to scripture and are held accountable by the church. Baptist and Presbyterian polity together would be like water and oil.
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Album Review: Firespawn – Abominate 8.6 (Death/Thrash)
August 24, 2019 CarcassBOMB 0
Written by Carcassbomb
Abominate
Death/Thrash
Spotify – Century Media Records
I didn't have any expectations for this record, I just knew it has some killer art that reminds me of Dark Souls. Most things do and I can always fuck with that. It's got the Swedish sound but it's more thrashy than melodic, it's a very rockin' death metal record with great rhythms. There's a strong old school element not too far from the path of Entombed but there's also the presence of newer trendier ideas. I say give it a go because I've listened to it a few times and it's stayed catchy over the course. It's a modern album featuring some veteran musicians from bands such as Entombed, Morbid, Unleashed, Nihil, Dark Funeral and more. Very much a supergroup.
Artwork by Paolo Girardi
It took some time to decide what the highlight was for me, at first I thought about the energetic lead guitars and the melody they bring but the more I listened to the riffs the more I realised that it was actually the solid contributions of the rhythm guitar that brought it all together. On a purely guitar level I can hear a lot of influence from progressive death metal which offers a lot of variety – it helps a lot that both guitarists work so well together. It heightens the whole sound when you have a decent rhythm player and brings to this specific album a lot of moshability and even danceability. I can definitely hear the classic heavy metal sound on the solos which come with the implication of a big swinging dick.
The vocals are fine, again very much old school inspired with a thrash level of clarity to the lyric delivery. The execution is good but the actual lyrics are hit and miss, sometimes sounding a bit goofy. Parts of this album sound like an attempt to use the best and heaviest bits of Gojira and discard all the wank, or at least disguise the djent aspect and edit out the filler. Imagine a Gojira record where it's entirely Joe Duplantier's most guttural vocals and the signature pick scrape techniques. It might sound like I'm taking the piss but I think it works well, it's heavier and faster than Gojira but also far less djenty than 2018's Slugdge release, another fair comparison to make. Abominate is a good inbetween and mix of things and eras when considered in its entirety.
As I said, the artwork is solid and I should have known that it is a piece by Paolo Girardi who I have covered in the past. He's on a lot of covers and has a distinct style that oozes epic and vision. A name you see a lot in this line of research. This kind of art is just too perfect for metal as a genre, it does so much to service the music and the marketing. I'll be covering another cover Paolo did for an Australian band called Sumeru in the near future as I have their tape sitting right next to me and it is pretty.
Overall this is one of the records where you just have to try it on for yourself as it is of a certain aesthetic and there's a lot to choose from right now. The presence of experienced musicians is clear in the playing of the instruments so it shouldn't disappoint on that front. It mostly comes down to your own ability to appreciate the decision making behind the music. It's certainly palatable, it will please most metalheads.
Album Review: Rotting Christ – The Heretics 8.6 (Black Metal)
Tape Review: Maggot Cave – Pub Full Of Maggots 9.69 (Grindcore)


PHOTOS: Here are Hampshire's updated 100 most wanted - can you help find them?
Can you help track down Hampshire's 100 most wanted?
THESE are Hampshire's 100 most wanted. Can you help find them?
The charity Crimestoppers is urging the public to look at their faces and come forward if they have information on crimes ranging from burglary and drugs to sexual assault.
The charity updates the list and Paul Steven Rogerson, wanted in relation to theft offences in Fareham, is the latest addition.
Julia Hughes, Regional Manager for Crimestoppers in Hampshire and the Isle of Wight, said: "We're the eyes and ears of the police, and we can make a huge difference by giving information ourselves and not waiting for someone else to speak up.
The van is at Gosport ferry terminal until 12.30pm and will then travel to Tescos in Solent Road, Havant, where it will stay from 1.30pm to 5pm.
It follows the 10th anniversary of Crimestoppers' Most Wanted list, which has screened 13,000 appeals and led to 3,767 arrests nationwide.
More than 150 appeals have been hosted in Hampshire and the Isle of Wight in the last six months with 39 arrests.
Anyone who recognises someone in the gallery can call the charity confidentially on 0800 555 111, fill an anonymous online form or contact police on 101 quoting the crime reference number provided.
Simon Hayes, Hampshire and Isle of Wight's police and crime commissioner, said: "As a past chairman of Crimestoppers I know and understand the value of these campaigns and I am very happy to financially support this Most Wanted campaign in Hampshire.


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Die Buffalo Bandits sind ein Team der nordamerikanischen National Lacrosse League (NLL) und haben ihren Sitz in Buffalo, New York. Die Mannschaft wurde 1992 gegründet und spielte bis 1997 in der Major Indoor Lacrosse League (MILL), ehe sie in die NLL umgewandelt wurde.

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Gleich in ihrer ersten Saison konnten die Bandits die Meisterschaft der MILL gewinnen und waren damit das erste Team, dem dieses Kunststück gelang. In der folgenden Saison wiederholten sie ihren Erfolg und gewann 1996 ein weiteres Mal die Meisterschaft. Erst 1999 verpassten sie zum ersten Mal die Playoffs. Neben ihren drei Meistertiteln standen sie noch vier weitere Male im Finale.

Im Jahr 2006 feierten sie große Erfolge, als sie auf Platz eins der East Division die Reguläre Saison beendeten und Gastgeber des Finales um den Champion's Cup waren, wo sie auf die Colorado Mammoth trafen. Das Finale ging allerdings mit 9-16 verloren und Colorado nahm die Trophäe mit nach Hause.

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Prabhas became a pan-Indian phenomenon after the terrific success of Baahubali 2: The Conclusion. Currently, he's the most happening star in Indian cinema and has been getting a lot of interest from across industries.
According to latest reports, Prabhudheva is all set to direct the Baahubali star in a film. Speaking about the collaboration, Prabhudheva was quoted by Deccan Chronicle as saying, "Prabhas is a dear friend. I've known him from the time he set foot in Tamil-Telugu cinema. In fact, he sportingly did a cameo appearance in my Hindi film, Action Jackson. I'd love to direct him. But, it's definitely not just because Baahubali has happened. There's no point in doing a film together just because it makes business. I have been thinking of a film with Prabhas for a while now. Right now, he's busy with his next Telugu film Saaho, post which we will do our film together." However, it isn't clear if it's a Telugu-Hindi bilingual.
It must be noted that Prabhas made a guest appearance in Prabhudheva's Hindi film Action Jackson. The Mirchi star has began work on his forthcoming film Saaho, which is being directed by Sujeeth Reddy. Made on a budget of Rs 150 crore, Anushka Shetty is rumoured to be playing the leading lady.
Tipped to be an action thriller, Saaho is slated to release next year.


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What will 2023 hold for the packaging industry? In this article, the Packaging Europe editorial team gives its predictions on the biggest challenges the sector will face during the year ahead.
Creating a sustainable future for packaging
The proposed revision of the EU's Packaging and Packaging Waste Directive, released on 30th November 2022, crystallized an existing sense that the European regulatory landscape is joining the dots between the European Green Deal, its circular economy plans, waste legislation and carbon agenda to create a more coherent, clear agenda than ever. And with clear signals about the business opportunities and risks.
It's clear that corporates face a more concrete and urgent set of demands in terms not just of recyclability of packaging (which will be subject to more prescriptive criteria) and minimum recycled content for plastics. Greater regulatory intervention in the areas of reuse and refill is another feature, which I'd argue industry has not yet fully woken up to.
As Mattia Pellegrini (head of DG ENV unit at the European Commission) shared at the Sustainable Packaging Summit in Lisbon last September, mandatory reuse targets will be introduced, probably featuring increasing levels between now and 2040. Reuse targets will be set according to primary, secondary, tertiary packaging and also per sector.
Together, these represent a gear change in environmental expectations of consumer packaged goods in Europe – and as progress toward coherence in global regulation is made through the UN Treaty on plastic pollution, we should regard this as the blueprint for worldwide advancement.
How do we tackle the barriers to reuse/refill? How can we accelerate progress and investment in circular materials? How can all stakeholders align and collaborate more effectively to optimize sustainable transformation? These will be fundamental questions for packaging in 2023.
They will also be central to our mission in helping to navigate the value chain toward a sustainable future for packaging, in all the initiatives and discussions culminating in the next edition of the Sustainable Packaging Summit (November 2023 in Amsterdam). Tim Sykes, Brand Director
Alternative packaging materials
The packaging industry has been looking for alternatives for materials made from fossil fuels.
In order to address the challenge of plants for bioplastics competing with food production, the industry is researching the use of non-food crops, such as cellulose and seaweed. Innovative technologies also focus on non-edible by-products of the production of food crops.
Development of such materials has so far been on a comparatively small scale, but in 2022, we saw some promising scale-ups and partnerships.
At our Innovation Horizon conference in Amsterdam, we heard some interesting pitches – for example from a start-up working with red seaweed, and another one extracting natural biopolymers from agricultural industry residues.
The sector has a lot of passion and drive, and we expect development momentum to gain pace in 2023.
Start-up Notpla recently partnered with packaging producer Coveris to launch seaweed-coated carton packs with grease and water-resistant properties. Collaborations like this boost scaling up, so we expect to see more developments in 2023.
Trees play an important part in reducing CO2 in the atmosphere. 2022 has seen interesting developments for alternative fiber materials.
A notable partnership was the collaboration between AB InBev & Sustainable Fiber Technologies producing a secondary packaging solution for Corona beer using leftover barley straw – a winner of our Sustainability Awards 2022.
Also, in the area of fiber-based packaging, Ukrainian start-up Releaf Paper developed a process for turning cellulose fibres derived from fallen leaves into paper packaging products. The company has been awarded a €2.5 million grant from the European Commission's EIC Accelerator 2022 programme, so we can expect the technology to be given a boost in 2023. Elisabeth Skoda, Editor at Large
While we will not be seeing fibre-based packaging entirely replacing plastics anytime soon – or at all – we can expect a continuation of big and small brands alike migrating to paper solutions for certain applications. From what people in the know have told me, I think we may be seeing some particularly exciting technical advances in the confectionery and snacking sector over the next year. (A number of big players as Nestlé, Mars Wrigley and Ritter Sport have of course already introduced their own paper-based lines.)
We'll almost certainly hear more from the paper bottles space – Paboco's solution, which has been trialled by companies including Carlsberg, Coca-Cola and Absolut, is a notable example. This year we anticipate the roll-out of the next generation protype of this bottle which will also feature a paper closure from Blue Ocean Closures.
But there are other innovators in this space: Pulpex and Stora Enso's paper bottle solution is moving further towards full commercialization for 2023 with a partnership with Kraft Heinz on a potential paper-based ketchup bottle.
The development of more efficient – and more easily recyclable – barrier solutions for paper packaging are also ongoing and the coming year will no doubt see more examples in the field. Dispersion coatings to replace polymer-based coated board for paper barriers are an interesting area to keep an eye on, with companies such as Walki and Kemira leading the way.
Apart from enhanced material properties, machinability is also a challenge for paper packagers. This being the case, we will be looking to see increased collaboration between machinery suppliers and packaging producers to make it easier for brands to switch to these new paper solutions without compromising on performance or cost.
Innovations aside, there are still ongoing questions and controversies that the industry must look to address in the coming year and further ahead. For example: will products such as the above-mentioned paper bottles remain niche or can they really replace plastic at scale?
Even the most advanced paper solutions will still leave a certain residue of aluminium or plastic layers behind, so can the innovations currently in the pipeline really meet the huge challenge of full recyclability within the paper waste stream? We will see. Victoria Hattersley, Senior Writer
EU regulation on packaging and packaging waste
In late November 2022, the EU's long-awaited revisions to its Packaging and Packaging Waste Directive were finally revealed. But what do they actually mean for our industry, and how will the situation evolve throughout 2023?
The Directive is the cornerstone of the EU's drive towards packaging sustainability, and sets out numerous targets and requirements. It aims to deal with packaging waste, while removing barriers in the internal market caused by member states adopting different rules on packaging design.
The recently-announced revisions to the original Directive demonstrate the EU's desire to go further in order to meet its objectives of making all packaging on the EU market reusable or recyclable in what it describes as "an economically viable way" by 2030.
The key takeaway is a new target: a reduction in packaging waste by 15% by 2040 per member state per capita, when compared to 2018. The Commission says that this would lead to an overall waste reduction of 37%, when compared with alternative routes.
The revisions also focus on the banning of certain formats entirely, further implementation of DRS, and mandatory recycled content rates.
In addition, companies may have to offer a certain percentage of their products to consumers in reusable or refillable packaging, although this percentage is believed to be lower than initial estimates, following industry response to a leaked draft of the proposals.
So, where does this leave us in 2023? It's important to note that these revisions aren't final or binding – at least not yet. This year, the proposals will be presented to the EU Parliament, the EU Council, and all 27 Member States, in order for a consensus to be developed. During this process, they may be subject to change. We look forward to bringing you news and updates on this throughout the year – so stay tuned! Fin Slater, Digital Editor
Accessibility and interactivity
Accessible packaging and interactive design featured in products and as part of wider conversations around packaging design and inclusivity last year.
In a comment piece, Howard Wright, executive creative and strategic director for the UK, IE & Australia at Equator Design highlighted the need for brands to seek feedback from users and citied colour theory, font, and typeface for people who are colourblind, dyslexic, have learning disabilities or visual impairments as an example of the many variants of disability to be considered.
Lewis Moberly and Tropic Skincare developed the 'Susie Script' typeface for dyslexic and neurodiverse consumers, used in Tropic Skincare's packaging and website; Coca-Cola UK became the first beverage brand to pilot Navilens technology to help blind and partially-sighted consumers; and Mimica and UNITED CAPS partnered to create a cap to help 'visually impaired and cognitively challenged' people.
However, Liz Jackson, founding member of The Disabled List, emphasised to us that 'inclusive' packaging can often focus on mobility and blindness, and that disabled people can be erased through issues such as products not using the word 'disabled'; being too expensive; or not receiving a commercial launch. Jackson added that companies need to consider the ways disabled people have been 'hacking their own solutions for generations' when designing accessible packaging.
Hopefully in 2023 we will see more innovation in this area, and for a wider variety of disabilities and conditions. Frances Butler, Junior Journalist
Advanced recycling has been a hot topic this year, in discussion and in practice. Facilities are being planned and invested in across Europe and the US; several recent additions are attributable to Dow and its partners, although there were already over 90 plastic-oriented projects unfolding worldwide in early 2022, according to ecoprog.
As the construction of new plants continues or begins in 2023, I expect that other companies will follow suit. The EU's Packaging and Packaging Waste Directive has come under fire as its revisions apparently fail to address the downcycling of food-grade waste into non-food-grade applications, and mechanical recycling cannot produce food-safe materials in accordance with European standards – sustainability-minded manufacturers may take matters into their own hands to achieve full circularity for their packaging.
After all, as reiterated by Dr Geoff Brighty from Mura Technology, plastics are a global challenge when it comes to recycling, and beyond a general reduction in consumption, more effective recycling methods are crucial. This one isn't perfect; he admits that Mura is still looking for a means of recycling the processed gas used to heat the low-pressure boiler of its HydroPRS system, to name one example. Still, the industry's current interest in chemical solutions is irrefutable.
The rapid scaling of such processes will likely open the door to further conversations about their long-term sustainability. Papers, reports, and LCAs questioning their true benefits have already been published – WWF, for instance, fears that they could result in higher carbon emissions, potential threats to human health, and little extra benefit in comparison to their mechanical counterparts.
More recycling plants will lead to more data with which to respond to these concerns. Unless they are proven to be justified, though, the rise of advanced recycling will most likely continue into the foreseeable future. Emma Liggins, Editorial Intern
The European Parliament has given its backing to a new law that would ban exports of plastic waste to non-OECD countries, and phase out the export of plastic waste to OECD countries within 4 years.
The most serious, rigorous and prestigious international competition for sustainability in packaging is back for another year. Click to learn more about how you can take part.
As we look forward to interpack 2023, it's time to cast an eye over the innovation agenda for the coming year – and beyond. Victoria Hattersley spoke to Patrick Poitevin, former Principal Scientist at Mondelez International and founder of Advisory4Pack, and James Harmer of Cambridge Design Partnership, to get their insights into where we can expect to look for the 'next big things'.
Chemical recycling – the potential benefits are huge, but what are the barriers standing in the way of increased uptake?
Focused on the principles of reduce, reuse and recycle, Coca-Cola Great Britain's Real Talk event took place at the company's London office on the 1st December. Tony Juniper CBE moderated two panels with representatives from organisations including CCEP, McDonalds, WWF and WRAP. Frances Butler reports.
No AIPIA Congress is complete without a Brand Challenge, and the 2022 event was no exception.