Obviousness-type double patenting ("ODP") is a judicially created doctrine aimed at preventing patent owners from extending patent protection beyond the statutorily afforded term. Prior to the Uruguay Round Agreements Act ("URAA") of 1994, which changed the term for a U.S. patent from seventeen years from patent issuance to twenty years from the earliest (non-provisional) filing date, patent applicants could theoretically extend their patent term without end. For example, a series of patent applications covering the same or similar subject matter, with slightly different claims could be filed. Further, applicants could try to intentionally delay prosecution and, thus, stagger issuance of the resulting patents.
[F]or double patenting inquiries, looking to patent issue dates had previously served as a reliable stand-in for the date that really mattered—patent expiration. But as this case illustrates, that tool does not necessarily work properly for patents to which the URAA applies, because there are now instances, like here, in which a patent that issues first does not expire first. Therefore, in light of the principles reflected in our prior case law as explained above, it is the comparison of Gilead's patent expiration dates that should control, not merely the issuance dates.
The Federal Circuit thus held that the later issued but earlier expiring '375 patent qualified as an invalidating ODP reference and invalidated the earlier issued but later expiring '483 patent. The Federal Circuit repeatedly stated, however, that the expiration date should be seen as the relevant date "under the circumstances of this case," potentially signaling that its holding may be limited to the specific facts at hand. Accordingly, whether the Federal Circuit was applying a bright-line rule that the expiration date is the only relevant date to be used for determining if a patent qualifies as an invalidating ODP reference or whether the Federal Circuit was weighing or considering other factors or policy concerns in making its decision is unclear.
We now make explicit what was implicit in Gilead: the doctrine of obviousness-type double patenting continues to apply where two patents that claim the same invention have different expiration dates.
Again, the Federal Circuit did not provide an explicit indication of whether Abbvie and Gilead established a bright-line rule or should be limited to their specific facts.
Koninklijke Philips N.V. v. Zoll Med. , No. CIV.A. 10-11041, 2014 U.S. Dist. LEXIS 2015 U.S. Dist. LEXIS 182044 (D. Mass. June 20, 2014).
Magna Electronics, Inc. v. TRW Auto. Holdings Corp., 2015 U.S. Dist. LEXIS 182044 (W.D. Mich. Dec. 10, 2015).
Janssen Biotech, Inc. v. Celltrion Healthcare Co., Inc., 2016 U.S. Dist. LEXIS 111070 (D. Mass. Aug. 19, 2016).
Merck Sharp & Dohme Corp. v. Teva Pharms. USA, Inc., 2016 U.S. Dist. LEXIS 158514 (D. Del. Nov. 16, 2016).
In Merck Sharp, the patent owner filed a terminal disclaimer in Patent B', which is a continuation application of Patent A', such that the expiration date of Patent B' did not extend beyond that of another application (not shown above) owned by the patent owner, thereby shifting the expiration date of Patent B' prior to the expiration date of Patent A'. Based on Gilead and Abbvie, the infringing party attempted to argue that Patent B' should qualify as an ODP reference against its parent (Patent A'), because the expiration date of Patent B' preceded that of Patent A'. But, the Merck Sharp court did not view Gilead or Abbvie as requiring the application of a bright-line rule, and instead looked to whether the patent owner was affirmatively seeking to extend patent term. Since the patent owner was actually reducing the term of the continuation application (Patent B'), the Merck Sharp court explained that the patent owner could not be attempting to affirmatively extend patent term, and thus held that Patent B' did not qualify as an invalidating ODP reference against Patent A'.
The Magna Electronics court did not look to factors or policy concerns, such as whether the patent owner was taking affirmative action to extend the patent term, and instead found that Patent B'' qualified as an ODP reference simply because Patent B'' expired prior to Patent A''.
Therefore, it remains difficult to predict whether a court is going to consider that the patent owner is trying to extend patent term or whether a court will look only to the expiration dates of the patents in question. Patent owners are cautioned to review patent portfolios with these issues in mind.
One cannot truly get two patents on the same invention for more reasons that just extending term. There is only one royalty per invention, not one royalty per patent. Thus one cannot multiply the royalty by multiplying the patents.
Furthermore, one cannot sell one patent on an invention to another and keep the second for himself. The reason for this is obvious, since there is only one royalty for an invention.
Now, let it be told, the some members of the Federal Circuit do not know patent law very well. I will let the author be for the moment because he was mislead to some degree by the Federal Circuit.


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At a time when medical researchers around the world seek the holy grail of a vaccine to protect against the new and deadly virus Covid-19 The Great Inoculator looks back more than two centuries to the desperate efforts to combat an even more devastating epidemic disease: smallpox. The eighteenth century was an age when quack doctors thrived in a world ignorant of the causes of disease. Yet even then there were practitioners whose claim to be able to render patients immune to smallpox were unquestionably genuine. They called themselves inoculators their skills based on observation and dexterity. What they were practicing was learned not from textbooks but from folk medicine.
In the second half of the eighteenth century among the many hundreds of inoculators one name stood out: Daniel Sutton. Born in 1735 in a Suffolk village he was one of eleven children of a country surgeon. His father found he could make a good living offering to inoculate anyone who could afford his hefty fees. Daniel learned from his father but felt he could do better. And he did....
In 1763 he set up a practice of his own in the Essex village of Ingatestone advertising as an inoculator and brushing aside the fierce opposition locally from innkeepers and those parishioners who thought he would spread smallpox amongst them. Trading at first on his father's reputation, Daniel gained the confidence of patients who booked into his inoculation houses rented away from the village staying for several weeks while they recovered from the inoculation with smallpox.
Daniel's skill was hard to define but his results were indisputable. At the age of twenty-eight so many flocked to his Ingatestone practice that he became a rich man. He was the favourite of the middle classes who could afford his fees. On occasion when invited to rescue communities from an outbreak of smallpox he demonstrated his ability to inoculate whole towns and villages in one or two days, his fee paid for by local gentry and parish councils.
His reputation was soon worldwide and his services in demand in the royal houses of European monarchies. But Sutton's technique was borrowed by others who benefited from the celebrity of what became known as "Suttonian inoculation".
The Great Inoculator finally gives him his due.
"In Weightman's fine study Daniel Sutton is brought to centre stage... the 'great inoculator' laid the foundations for Jenner's achievement. He also clearly merits a place among the better-known innovators, entrepreneurs and colourful characters of eighteenth-century England."
- Michael Bennett, Medical History (2021), 65:2,218-224
"...exhibits inoculation as something much more than a poor precursor to Jenner; it implicitly tells an intriguing and resonant story about risk management and risk perception; and it treats inoculation as a significant passage in the history of business, making telling use of advertisements and notices in provincial newspapers."
- Steven Shapin, London Review of Books, February 2021
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'Just not right': Council rejects Victory's Footscray Park plan
By Michael Fowler
Melbourne Victory's controversial proposal to build an $18 million women's and youth soccer centre at Footscray Park has been officially voted down in a fiery Maribyrnong council meeting on Tuesday evening.
Despite concerns from some councillors that they had not been given enough time to consider a report prepared by an advisory panel, a motion against the proposal was passed 5:2, drawing standing applause and even tears among Save Footscray Park protesters in attendance.
Save Footscray Park members (pictured here on Monday) gathered outside council halls before Tuesday's meeting. Credit:Wayne Taylor
Mayor Sarah Carter said the council hadn't "demonstrated the net community benefit for the people that are living here and paying their community rates".
"It's just not the right place and time for it [at Footscray Park]," she said.
"So I am sad that we are going to lose the opportunity ... but it's infinitely clear to me we can do better for our local sporting groups and we can do better at community consultation."
On Friday a panel chosen by Maribyrnong Council unanimously recommended that the plan be rejected because the facility would be a "private business operation" that would unduly benefit the club more than it would the community.
Deputy mayor Megan Bridger-Darling supported Melbourne Victory's plan. She said she felt bullied by both sides during the consultation and criticised the report, which unanimously recommended against the facility, as being written to "say no to literally everything".
Cr Bridger-Darling was heckled as she spoke and about 30 protesters left the room after Save Footscray Park co-chair Maree Pardy was asked to leave.
Cr Bridger-Darling concluded: "I'm done. The community will show some respect."
An artist's impression of the three pitches that would be the new base for Victory's women's and youth teams.
Mayor Carter said she remained hopeful Melbourne Victory would revisit building a facility at a different site in Maribyrnong.
"We're not against soccer, we're absolutely not against soccer. We're not against women … and the aspiration was to make the inner west the home of Melbourne Victory, if we could find the right location. And it's just not Footscray Park."
In an emotional address, Mayor Carter said the "backwards" process had "taken its toll" on councillors and the community, and said an internal review was already under way.
She reiterated that $10 million of state government funding would remain available to Victory if they build the facility elsewhere. She touted Yarraville's McIvor Reserve as a possible alternative site.
"Victory won't lose this money. The academy will be built [in another location]."
Cr Martin Zakharov was the other councillor who voted in favour of Victory's proposal. He said he had found multiple errors in the advisory panel's report and said it would cost council $2.5 million to rejuvenate the lawn area, which is in poor condition in many areas.
"If we can't find that then we'll be sitting around looking at that mud bowl … there will be plenty of space to walk dogs, but I don't think we'll see many people playing sport on the sports field," he said.
Cr Bridger-Darling added: "We had the state government give $10 million to build an asset in our city, and we said 'nah'. I'm embarrassed it's gotten to this point, and I'm embarrassed about what this means for our city."
Other councillors against Victory's facility, including Simon Crawford, agreed public consultation should have started earlier and been more transparent.
"We want it to be embraced by the community, and this proposal has been divisive. So it's not something I'm going to support," Cr Crawford said.
About 100 Protesters from Save Footscray Park earlier gathered outside council halls from 5.45pm.
Michael Fowler
Michael is a reporter for The Age.


Zayn Malik has yet proved again that he is the one of the most talented singers to overcome out of the X factor. The former One Direction band member released a song with Sia called "Dusk Till Down".Teaming up with Sia for the track, Zayn shows off his impressive vocal range as sing softly over the melody songs.
Malik and Sia wrote the song that was produced by Greg Kurstin. The catchy track encases the unique voice the Briton and the Australian maverick has.Directed by Amazing Spider-Man's Mark Webb, the five and a half minute video follows Malik as he attempts to discreetly deliver a suitcase and reunite with his lover, played by Girls actress Jemima Kirke. We hear Sia's distinct singing but there is not even a cameo of her in the video.
The song is available for streaming and download on various platforms. No dates for the release of the album have been announced.


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Q: What is the difference between "palazzo" and "palace"? I have noticed that palazzo is used not only in Italian but in English too.
So what is the difference between palazzo, and palace (in English)?

A: Strictly speaking, a palace is the official residence of a sovereign (or, by extension, a dignitary). Informally, it may also mean "a building that looks like a palace", i.e. a vast, beautiful and richly-decorated house.
The NOAD has for palazzo: "a palatial building, esp. in Italy". So, I expect that the main difference is this "in Italy". Other than that, I think it's quite close in meaning, at least to the informal meaning of palace.
As for usage, palazzo is much less used than palace: the Corpus of Contemporary American English has 7622 occurrences of "palace" vs 597 for "palazzo" or "palazzi".

A: "Palazzo" is mainly used in English to communicate that the building is called a palazzo in the regional language of its location.

A: Palazzo is, indeed, an Italian Palace, but it could also be an impressive public building or a private residence( in english).

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Sugar in the form of sucrose (table sugar), dextrose (corn sugar) and high fructose corn syrup is used in many processed foods such as bread, biscuits, breakfast cereal, mayonnaise, ketchup and different microwave meals. So apart from the sugar that we use to sweeten our daily tea and coffee, we do get a regular dosage of it through different food articles of daily consumption. It is definitely a well known flavoring agent that lends taste to many eatables. But when the consumption of sugar laden products increases, the harmful effects are far more serious in long run than what we usually anticipate. It is commonly agreed that excessive sugar consumption is not good for health. But the actual effects of sugar need to be understood to realize the gravity of the problems caused by it.
Tooth decay is one of the most known problem associated with harmful effects of sugar. Bacteria in plaque (the sticky coating on the teeth) react with sugar to produce harmful acids that cause dental caries. The harmful effects of sugar also lead to periodontal disease (bleeding gums). Indeed excessive intake of sugar contributes to a weakened defense against bacterial infections of all kinds.
The most typical problem caused by excessive consumption of sugar is that it raises the insulin level which in turn depresses the immunity system of the body. Insulin also promotes the storage of fat and it is for this reason that a diet rich in sweets and desserts often leads to weight gain by most people. Sugar itself causes a significant rise in triglycerides (a form of fat in blood stream ) The weight gain or obesity is further related to cardiovascular diseases and increases the risk of coronary heart disease. The increase in systolic blood pressure is largely attributed to excessive sugar consumption. The harmful effects of sugar in the bloodstream also include calcium loss through urine, which over an extended period of time may result in osteoporosis.
Consumption of excessive sugar is seen to cause anxiety, problems in concentration, depression and irritability in some individuals. People with unstable blood sugar levels or hypoglycemia can suffer from a variety of psychological disorders.
It can cause kidney damage.
It decreases the growth hormone production, thereby causing problems in muscular growth.
It speeds up the aging process, causing wrinkles and gray hair.
It may increase your chances of developing Crohn's Disease and ulcerative colitis.
Excessive intake of sugar can increase the occurrence of gallstones.
It often lowers the ability of enzymes to function properly that reduces the rate of metabolic activities in the body.
The harmful effects of sugar as described here are some of the commonly observed problems associated with excessive consumption of artificial sugar. Like salt, sugar is certainly required in our daily foods to add a dash of taste. However, this "flavoring agent" should not become an addiction and must always be used in moderate quantities. The natural fructose present in fresh fruits is a healthier alternative when you really want to fulfill an extra craving for sugar.


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Venezuela: Socialist party congress ends
The United Socialist Party of Venezuela (PSUV) concluded its five-month extraordinary congress on April 25 with the approval of highly anticipated party principles and statutes. This was just in time for primaries on May 2, in which millions of PSUV members will choose parliamentary candidates to run against a newly united opposition platform called the "Democratic Alternative" in September.
People's climate summit challenges Copenhagen, Cancun
"Capitalism is the number one enemy of humanity", Bolivian President Evo Morales said in his closing speech to the World People's Conference on Climate Change and the Rights of Mother Earth held on April 19-22 in Cochabamba. "It turns everything into merchandise, it seeks continual expansion. The system needs to be changed." More than 35,000 people attended the summit, organised by the Bolivian government in response to the challenge of climate change after rich nations refused to allow an agreement for serious action at the December United Nations climate summit in Copenhagen.
High noon in Nepal — eyewitness to revolution
On May 1 in Kathmandu, between 500,000-1 million people took over the streets in a dramatic show of force by Nepal's Maoists to demand a return to civilian rule and a democratic process of creating a new, pro-people constitution. With the government refusing popular demands for its resignation, an indefinite general strike has been called from May 2 in what the Maoists are calling a "final push" to resolve the struggle for power between the poor majority and Nepal's elite.
United States: Hip-hop star's song condemns Arizona law
Hip-hop artist Chuck D, best known as a rapper with progressive band Public Enemy, has released a new track in response to the extreme racist, anti-immigrant law passed on April 23 in Arizona entitled "Tear Down That Wall". The song can be downloaded at SLAMjazz.com. Chuck D and his wife, Dr Gaye Theresa Johnson (director of Black and Chicano studies at UC Santa Barbara), also released the following statement against the racist law. * * *
Resistance conference 2010: Win News story
Resistance, socialist youth organisation, held its national conference in the Thirroul Community Centre (Wollongong, NSW) over April 24-26, 2010. Nearly 300 largely young people took part in the event, discussing organising a fight back against racism, war and environmental destruction. The event was filmed by Win TV (regional NSW version of Channel Nine). The news report can be seen below.


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Georgia should Attract Maximum Financial Resources from International Institutions for Economic Rehabilitation
The global economy is entering the crisis phase amid the coronavirus pandemic. This process primarily damages developing countries, including Georgian economy.
Without international financial assistance, developing countries fail to overcome the economic damages. Scales of the assistance that Georgia will manage to mobilize from international donors will determine how efficiently the country will cushion the economic plunge.
Georgia has started negotiations with the International Monetary Fund (IMF) and the country expects to attract significant assistance. Furthermore, Georgia has obtained a 45 million EUR aid package from the World Bank (WB), despite the project's direct objective is not to alleviate the pandemic's economic impact, but to promote the ongoing reforms in Georgia. It is evident that the country vitally needs such resources. Furthermore, as the USA Embassy in Georgia has announced, the USA will transfer a 1.1 million USD assistance package in support of the Georgian healthcare sector.
The Asian Development Bank (ADB) has confirmed its readiness to assist Georgia, as well as the EU ambassador to Georgia. On March 30, the European Commission released a statement notifying that it will allocate 140 million EUR for the Eastern Partnership countries (Georgia, Armenia, Azerbaijan, Belarus, Moldova and Ukraine) to finance essential needs against the coronavirus pandemic.
"Today the National Bank is the weak chain of the Government", economist and professor Vladimer Papava told CBW and added that the NBG has delayed currency interventions and this delay caused panic in our society.
"Georgia is entering the critical phase. In this situation, the Government officials provide good job by updating the society daily on the current situation through media agencies. The National Bank of Georgia (NBG) should also intensify activities to regain public trust", Vladimer Papava said.
The economy has become a hostage to medicine and before development of action plans and programs, the Authorities should extinguish the fire in the economy, he noted.
"The essence of the crisis is that medical workers cannot specify when the pandemic is over – in a month, or 3, or a year. This factor has generated the major unclearness in fighting against the coronavirus, preparing economic and healthcare action plans and creating accurate and precise protocols. Medical workers use medications that were used against Ebola and AIDS. Coronavirus turned out an unexpected, unexplored phenomenon for medicine. We can say the same regarding the economy too. We cannot settle economic problems without resolving medical problems. The economy is a hostage to medicine. The experience gained amid the 2008-2009 global economic crisis will not work in this case. We have two tasks to resolve today: current and strategic ones", Vladimer Papava pointed out.
The current objective is to extinguish the fire in economy, while the strategic objective is to ensure economic recovery in post-crisis period, Papava pointed out.
"The current task is to put out the fire, including in the economy, while another task is to revive the economy. In general, economy cannot be recovered amid the crisis period. Therefore, we should be prepared for the post-crisis period.
When asking the Government to submit the program, our expectations are exaggerated, because, today, we should ask the Government to extinguish the fire in the economy and then prepare the program for the post-crisis period.
The Government is not hasty to submit this program and this cannot be appraised as weakness. Today our key objective is to extinguish the fire", Papava said.
Essential problems are recorded on the currency market. The national Bank that decided to stay away, even in the most difficult situations, and wait for instructions from the International Monetary Fund (IMF), he said.
"International financial institutions do not know what to do, because this is an absolutely extraordinary and unusual case in its nature. The problem does not consist in economy. The IMF is obliged to provide due assistance to all countries, but we should also analyze the reality. We should not think that we will receive significant funds. Everybody needs assistance in the crisis period. I think the assistance package will be about 250-300 million USD in several tranches.
The National Bank has not intervened in the currency market and this decision caused panic in the society. The national currency stability is ensured by money transfers, foreign direct investments and everybody knows that in the countries, where our compatriots live and work, many enterprises and companies were closed and money transfers declined too. Furthermore, the inflow of foreign direct investments will also shrink.
Despite unfavorable economic reality in the country, our medical system and situation is not worse compared to the neighboring countries. We have much better situation than even economically stronger Germany and the USA. In terms of medical aspects, the GEL-related panic was not to be so essential, but the Georgian currency has seen the biggest plunge in the world, because the National Bank decided to stay away. It decided that this was not its business and started waiting for instructions from the International Monetary Fund (IMF)", Papava said.


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Irish Myths – The Children of Lir
Juliane Girl
Ireland is known for its rich heritage of mythological tales and ancient symbols. In Irish mythology, tales are usually put into four periods. The first one is called the Mythological Cycle that mainly comprises pre-Christian stories of the god-like early settlers of Ireland, the Tuatha Dé Danann. The second, the Ulster Cycle, focuses on heroic stories of warriors from parts of Ulster and Leinster, with one of the most prominent heroes, Cú Chulainn. Tales of the Fenian Cycle are mainly concerned with the band of warriors called the Fianna and the myths of hero Fionn MacCumhaill. The last one is called the Historical Cycle or Cycle of the Kings. This collection centers around legendary Irish kings and traces back their family stories mixing history with mythology.
The Children of Lir
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A long time ago, there lived a king in Ireland called Lir. He had a wife, Aoibh, and with her four children, daughter Fionnula and the sons Aodh, Fiachra, and Conn. He was very fond of his family and loved them very much. But one day Aoibh died which grieved the king and his children greatly. For them to grow up with a mother, he married Aoibh's sister Aoife. Initially loving her new family, Aoife soon grew bitter and jealous of their affectionate relationships. So she made a plan to get rid of the children. One day, she brought them to a lake where the children went swimming. Having magical powers, Aoife cast a spell on all four of them turning them into swans. For 900 years they were damned to stay in this shape of which they had to spend 300 years on Lake Derravaragh, 300 on Straits of Moyle, and 300 on Isle of Inish Glora. Only when they hear a Christian bell ring, the spell could be broken. However, the children were allowed to keep their voices so that they could sing beautiful songs. Worried sick, their father searched for them and when he found them on the lake they told him of their fate. Angry with his wife and full of sorrow for his loss, he banished Aoife. As he was not able to break the spell, he would always come to the lake to spend time with his children giving them as much joy as possible. However, as the spell dictated, after 300 years they had to leave the lake for Straits of Moyle. There, they had to endure bad living conditions and terrible weather before they were allowed to move on to their final destination, the Isle of Inish Glora. Meanwhile, their father had long passed away and of his great castle, only ruins were left. After nearly 900 years had passed, one day the swans heard a Church bell ring. When they followed the sound, they met a monk named Caomhog. It was there where the four children of Lir transformed back into their human form. But as 900 years had passed they aged rapidly heralding their prompt death. To prepare the children for heaven, Caomhog baptized them before their passing away. And so goes the story of the four Children of Lir.
For more Irish Myths see:
Oisín and the island of Tír na nÓg
Finn Mac Cumhaill and the Salmon of Knowledge
Hey, It's Juliane. I'm from the north of Germany where I study culture, language, and media. At the moment I'm working as an editor with Babylon Radio.


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On 7th February, Luigi Lazzareschi, the Chief Executive of the Sofidel Group, will open the afternoon work sessions for tissue producers, part of the programme devoted to paper production at PaperWeek, the annual conference and trade fair for the pulp, paper and forestry products industry in Canada.
Dr Lazzareschi, one of the most important players in the industry, will welcome the opportunity to share his point of view and experience.
PaperWeek Canada, which will take place in Montreal from the 5th to the 8th of February, is the most important annual conference and trade fair for the pulp, paper and forestry products industry and enables sharing of the latest technologies, operational improvements and business developments between the main players in the sector.
The 2018 edition of PaperWeek, whose theme is "Where skills lead to competitiveness" offers a unique opportunity for learning and networking, bringing together expertise, points of view and experience from around the world to focus on topics of the highest relevance.
As a hub to expose its members and industry operators to the latest practices in management, safety, technology, reliability and a variety of technical areas, PaperWeek focuses on the creation of opportunities for the development of knowledge and skills, with a resulting improvement in operational efficiency.


Are Vegito super saiyan blue kaioken and Canba base form even?
Why Canba transformed in chapter 3 of Dragon Ball Heroes into Golden Oozaru? Was he supposed to be weaker than Vegito super saiyan blue kaioken or was he supposed to be weaker? Some fans claims he was weaker, that wasnt what I got from the battle but perhaps it's portrayed differently in the manga.
Based on the fight, SSJB Vegito with Kaioken seems relative to Kanba in his Base form. I personally belive Kanba did have the edge over Vegito and would hence be stronger.
The second part of your question is why did he transform when he happened to be stronger. The key point to note here is that Vegito and Kanba were relative in power. While Kanba might have won the battle if they were to continue fighting (Assuming Vegito didn't defuse), he would've been battle damaged and severely wounded during the course of the fight. When Kanba clearly has the level of power to outright overpower his opponent, it obviously made sense for him to transform into the Golden Oozaru.
Did Trunks turned Super Saiyan Rage in any chapter of the Dragon Ball Super manga?
Golden Cooler vs Golden Freezer in Dragon Ball Heroes, which one is supposed to be stronger?
Does Fu have a "super" transformation?
Was golden oozaru cumber's blast power what made Super Saiyan Blue Vegito defuse?


I got 3 micro-server (50 USD) and 1 desktop (55 USD) boards I'm willing to sell.
Heat-sink installed, no power adapter.
200USD for the 4 boards and I will pay tracked shipping to east cost if you're still interested.
Are these still available as I live in NZ and would interested in getting them?


This is my first post here at startupnation.com I heard the guys on the radio and thought it would be a good place to start some dialogue. I am looking for advice on where to go look for investors in my company. I started out around 5 years ago and have grown the business from making around 14k a year profit our first year to making around 1.5 million a year profit. I have diversified to the point that I might want to take a look at selling this part of our companies assests. I am at the point of taking on new challenges and cashing in on our sucess. Does anyone have any advice on where to go and what would be the asking price. Our In House C.P.A. said the normal business price would be between 4-6 x profits. We are dealing with an internet business with recurring membership in excess of 10,000 active members. I have heard people state that you would be only able to get 2x. I feel we have been in business for enough time that we are not a flash in pan company and would like to be able to get legitimate price for this part of our company.
All feedback would be appreciated.
Thanks for the Reply. I have seen a comptetior do this a few years ago with his members and raised around a million dollars. I would like to find investors that want around a 30% return on their money. Would venture Capitalist companies or groups think that is a good R.O.I. Where is a good place to look nationally for groups of investors.
I don`t think many sophisticated investors are going to want to come in as unsecured minority investors for a max upside of 30 per cent a few years down the road. They can easily lose it all, and the payout isn`t all that exciting. The longer it takes to pay out the 30 per cent, the more that is true, as the lower the annualized ROI becomes.You also mentioned selling a part of the business and what multiple you can expect. All the numbers you cite are possible - you might get 2x annual net revenues, or 4x, or 6x, or for that matter 20x.There are external factors that will affect it, such as what multiple the market is giving to companies in the same industry right now. These can fluctuate even in mature industries, and the last deal done will affect what`s offered to you. For mature, cash cow type businesses, interest rates also are a factor (for this kind of business, it`s all about what kind of annual return you get off your capital, and you compete with t bills and corporate bonds for that). Generally, the lower long term interest rates are, the more willing investors are to pay a higher multiple.The multiple you can get will also will depend on markers specific to your business - how rapidly you are growing, how rapidly you can grow, what the competitive landscape is, how sustainable your business is, whether you offer something strategically important to a bigger player, and so on. You need something special in this area to bump you out of the standard multiples.Last but not least, how good a job you do selling it will affect it. Big companies can hire investment bankers to shop their business, and investment bankers are great at getting top dollar. Smaller companies either do it themselves or hire small business brokers, and small business brokers generally don`t bring that much vision and energy to the party.As you calculate your returns for purposes of calculating the multiple, don`t forget to include as a cost what it would cost to hire you or someone like you to do what you do, in case you are not taking a salary. A surprisingly high number of webpreneurs taking no salary but pulling a $100k a year off their website think that the website makes a $100k a year in profits. If it would cost $100k a year to replace them, it really makes zero a year in profits from the vantage point of an investor.
Thanks for the all the great informations. I pay myself a salary of 92k a year and my partner get the same We have around another 100k in total salaries for other employees.Then we split around 1.2-1.3 Million per year. The employees also work on other projects for us and that is what some of our problem is. Human resources is the toughest thing to find. We have some new projects that are not getting adequate attention and would like to cash in our sucess and move onto some really good projects.
This site has been really good and have gotten a lot of good feedback. I will start down a path and hope good things are down it.
The steps you need to take vary according to the option you choose.
If you want to discuss your specific situation, send me a private message.
At the risk of sounding like an infomercial..
Planning your exit strategy can be a bit of the classic "chicken & egg" dilemma - without knowing what you want (when you want, how much money you want, who you want to sell to) you won`t know how to sell (a higher price might make sense for 3rd party sales but lowest defensible value, LDV, may make better sense for tax implications for insider transactions).
At the same time, without having some idea of what`s possible it`s hard to nail down what we`d like to achieve.
After working with business owners who came to me just before they needed to sell, I realized that it was a real need to advise them sooner vs. later - sometimes it`s a bit like patients who smoke, eat poorly & don`t exercise for years coming come in to their doctor`s office & saying "can you help me?"
Recently, I became affiliated with BEI just for that reason.
This organization helps business owners like yourself by connecting them with advisors who specialize in guiding them through a systematic approach to exit planning. The founder of BEI, John Brown, and author of How to Run Your Business So You Can Leave It In Style has developed this process over years of helping his clients.
It sounds like you have a pretty good handle on things. If your current advisor team is working with you to take steps to walk away with the maximum benefit to you and minimum tax consequences, great!
If not, I invite you to sign up for our free Exit Planning newsletter and talk to me or any of the BEI advisors.
You are asking three questions here, (1) were to get investors, and (2) should sell your company (3) for how much should you sell. To answer the first question, go to www.breadstreet.com ,the second, I am not qualified to answer, and the last is to get a business evaluation to find out what the company is worth. The people at Breadstreet.com are very friendly and can help you out with your other questions.
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After reading this thread I could get some information on how to find investors. But I want to know the thing, on which basis investors invest in our business ?


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Le Pony-Games (appelé également Mounted-Games) est un sport équestre qui se joue à poney, en équipe (4 ou 5 cavaliers), en paire (2 ou 3 cavaliers) ou en individuel (1 seul cavalier).

Le Pony-Games requièrent une endurance physique toute particulière et une cohésion d'équipe. C'est un sport qui apprend à vivre en société et qui enseigne la confiance en soi et la confiance envers l'autre. Cette discipline permet aussi de faire découvrir aux jeunes cavaliers l'équitation de façon ludique.

Historique
Depuis les années 1950, les poneys clubs anglais s'inspirent des exercices de gymkhana des militaires et inventent les principaux jeux. En 1957, le prince Philip est à l'origine de la première compétition officielle inter poneys clubs. En France, les Pony-Games arrivent officiellement en 1991 par l'intermédiaire de Jacques Cave (premier sélectionneur national). Les premières épreuves de Championnats de France sont intégrées aux Championnats de France Poneys, organisées en 1993 à Châteaubriant. À cette époque, il n'y avait que 4 équipes, contre environ 300 en 2011.

Caractéristiques de ce sport

Le Pony-Games est un sport basé sur le Mounted-Games. Le "Pony-Games" étant une appellation employée par la Fédération Française d'Equitation. La différence se fait essentiellement sur le règlement. Le Mounted-Games utilise le règlement international, favorisant le jeu, tandis que le Pony-Games a un règlement adapté par la Fédération Française d'Equitation, privilégiant la sécurité au jeu. En France, le Mounted-Games est joué uniquement lors des compétitions internationales.

La discipline nous arrive d'Angleterre et débarque en France dans les années 1990. Elle connaît un engouement immédiat et participe au "phénomène poney" (popularisation de l'équitation). Cette discipline est également pratiquée dans de nombreux pays en Europe, notamment en Allemagne, Angleterre, Pays de Galle, Irlande du Nord, Suisse, Belgique, Luxembourg, Écosse, Irlande, Suède, Norvège, etc. mais également en Amérique avec les États-Unis et le Canada, en Océanie avec l'Australie et la Nouvelle-Zélande et même en Afrique avec l'Afrique du Sud.

Les PG sont une série de jeux équestres. Ils sont joués en équipe et en ligne, c'est-à-dire que chaque équipe concourt sur une portion de terrain (généralement  de large et de la longueur du terrain) parallèle à "la ligne" de l'équipe d'à côté (similairement à la disposition des nageurs en natation par exemple). Ce n'est donc pas un sport où les différentes équipes ont des contacts entre elles, comme le football ou le rugby par exemple. Ces jeux se déroulent sous forme de relais entre quatre cavaliers (pour les épreuves en équipe), deux (pour les paires) ou d'un passage simple (pour les individuels).

La discipline est basée sur un règlement strict et précis (le règlement français étant différent de l'international), essentiellement pour privilégier la sécurité des cavaliers autant que celle des équidés lors des compétitions. En France, 32 jeux sont homologués alors que les anglo-saxons en ont environ 70.

Ces jeux sont également bénéfiques sur le plan physique et mental. Les cavaliers ont envie d'apprendre et de se dépasser en harmonie avec leur poney, pour faire gagner leur équipe. Les Pony/Mounted-Games sont ouverts à tout le monde, quel que soit l'âge. Il existe plusieurs catégories permettant de regrouper les différents cavaliers selon leur niveau et leur âge. Il n'y a pas de limite d'âge maximum.

La notion la plus importante, est le "fair-play". C'est d'ailleurs sur cette base que ce sport a été créé. Dans Le Petit Larousse Illustré 2001, il est défini comme "pratique du sport dans le respect des règles, de l'esprit du jeu et de l'adversaire". En outre, le respect des personnes présentes en Pony-Games comme les autres cavaliers, les entraîneurs, les juges mais également du matériel. Aucun emportement verbal ou physique n'est accepté, envers qui que ce soit.

Les Pony-Games est un véritable "sport spectacle" (à haut niveau) d'une part parce que les cavaliers rivalisent entre eux d'adresse et de vitesse tout en donnant l'impression de ne faire qu'un avec leur poney, d'autre part parce que les spectateurs peuvent encourager librement avec voix ou autre, un peu comme au football, en créant une ambiance plus festive que celle d'un concours de saut d'obstacles ou de dressage.

Les jeux
Le règlement de la Fédération française d'équitation recense 31 jeux :
En France, les jeux sont catégorisés par "indice" (également appelé "série"), qui sont les suivants :
 Indice 3 et 2 : Jeux de difficulté "simple"
 Slalom : consiste à slalomer entre des piquets.
 Balle et cône : relais avec pose et prise d'une balle sur des cônes suivi d'un relais.
 Cinq drapeaux : relais avec pose et prise de drapeaux dans des cônes.
 Corde : slalom en binômes, chacun tenant une extrémité de la corde.
 Deux drapeaux : relais avec pose et prise de drapeaux dans des cônes.
 Deux tasses : le cavalier doit déplacer des tasses sur des piquets.
 Facteur relais en slalom aller-retour avec récupération de lettres (courrier) en bois qui doivent être mises dans un sac.
 Carton : relais avec dépôts de "cartons" (cylindres fermé à un bout) pris sur les piquets dans un seau.
 Indice 1 (en plus des jeux de l'indice 2) : Jeux de difficulté "Moyenne"
 Run&Ride: le premier cavalier fait l'aller à pied, le retour à cheval. Le deuxième fait l'aller à cheval et le retour à pied. Le  comme le , le  comme le .
 Cinq tasses : relais avec pose d'une tasse sur un piquet puis collecte d'une autre sur un socle au fond du terrain.
 Basket : relais avec dépôts de balles dans un panier.
 Marches : relais en marchant à pied sur des marches. Le cavalier doit descendre, franchir 6 marches à pied sans mettre le pied au sol puis remonter sur son cheval.
 Teksab : relais avec prise et pose de balle.
 Pneu : relais avec passage de chaque cavalier dans un pneu pendant qu'un autre tient sa monture.
 Petit président : relais avec pose d'un tube sur un piquet, Chaque tube est marqué d'une lettre. À la fin, il doit être écrit "PONEY" sur le piquet.
 Indice Elite (en plus des jeux de l'indice 1) : Les jeux les plus complexes
 Epée  : relais d'une épée avec collecte d'anneaux à l'aide de celle-ci.
 Ballons : relais d'une pique avec laquelle on éclate des ballons de baudruche.
 Chaussettes : relais avec dépôts de chaussettes dans un seau, et ramassage de chaussettes au sol.
 Bank race : collecte puis dépôt de chiffres sur un panneau de bois pour former une somme.
 Pyramides : relais avec poser et collecte de boîtes empilées.
 Litter : relais d'une canne avec collecte et dépôt de tubes à l'aide de celle-ci.
 Trois tasses : dépôts de tasses sur des piquets.
 Windsor : le premier cavalier dépose une tour sur un cône. Le second cavalier y dépose une balle. Le troisième cavalier récupère la balle et la dépose dans un seau rempli d'eau. Le quatrième cavalier récupère la balle dans le seau et la replace sur la tour.
 Tool Box : le premier cavalier dépose une boîte à outils sur une poubelle, puis récupère un outil au fond du terrain et le dépose dans la boîte. Le deuxième cavalier récupère un outil au fond et le dépose dans la boîte. Le troisième cavalier agit de même. Le quatrième cavalier récupère un outil, le dépose dans la boîte, récupère la boite.
 Groom : les cavaliers sont à cheval et doivent slalomer en tenant en main le poney d'un coéquipier.
 Bouteilles : relais, dépôt et prise de bouteilles.
 Joute : relais d'une lance avec laquelle le cavalier abat des cibles, à la manière d'une joute équestre.
 4 drapeaux : collectes et dépôts de drapeaux colorés dans un socle.
 Balles et cônes international : relais avec dépôts de balles sur des cônes.
 Président relais : collecte et dépôt de tubes (marqués de lettres) sur des piquets. Le mot NPATRICK est formé sur le piquet à la fin de l'épreuve.

Les compétitions

Les compétitions peuvent être individuelles, par paire ou, le plus souvent, par équipe.
En France, la saison sportive commence généralement en septembre. Jusqu'en juin, les équipes concourent en moyenne une dizaine de fois afin de gagner leur qualification à l'Open de France (Championnat de France). L'Open de France dure une semaine, et se déroule au Parc Equestre Fédéral, à Lamotte-Beuvron (41). Depuis la saison 2010-2011, les Amateurs et les Séniors ne sont plus concernés par l'Open de France.
En 2011, ces deux catégories ont eu leur Championnat de France organisé lors du Grand Tournoi (organisé par la FFE). En 2012, ce sont les Paires Amateurs qui sont délocalisées. Le Championnat de France Amateur Paire sera joué au mois d'Aout au Boulerie Jump, près du Mans.

Dans le cas des compétitions par équipes, jusqu'à huit équipes peuvent jouer simultanément.
Une équipe se compose au maximum de cinq couples cavaliers/poneys dont quatre participent à chaque jeu. Ceci permet de faire jouer les couples cavaliers-poneys en tenant compte de leurs points forts et ainsi d'établir de véritables stratégies d'équipes. Il est cependant autorisé de ne présenter que quatre cavaliers et quatre poneys, ou bien quatre poneys et cinq cavaliers ou cinq poneys et quatre cavaliers.

En France
Les catégories (différentes selon les pays), par exemple :
Moustique
Poussin
Benjamin (poneys A et B)
Minime
Cadet
Junior
Club-Préparatoire
Club
Senior

La catégorie Amateur est née en , et remplace les Open (sauf préparatoire), dans une volonté de la fédération française d'équitation d'écarter des cavaliers majeurs des disciplines dites "Club" (qui sont normalement réservés aux mineurs). La catégorie Amateur est assimilable au niveau Semi-Professionnel. Les cavaliers amateurs ont maintenant un championnat de France différent (autre lieu, autre organisateur). L'apparition de cette catégorie a ouvert un grand débat parmi les cavaliers "amateurs", car cette nouveauté apparait comme une action de la FFE qui ne serait motivé que par l'argent (car la licence Amateur coute trois fois plus cher (licence renouvelable annuellement)) et le manque de motivation pour s'investir dans une discipline en pleine croissance ( équestre française), en ne proposant rien de plus qu'avant aux Amateurs en termes de "compétition".

Un match complet se compose généralement de 6 jeux pour les indices 2 et 3, 8 jeux pour les indices 1 et 10 jeux pour les indices élites (à noter qu'en finale de championnat de France et en compétition internationale il est fréquent de jouer 12 jeux lors d'une session élite).

À la fin de chaque jeu, des points sont attribués aux concurrents en fonction inverse de leur ordre d'arrivée auquel est ajouté un point. Par exemple, dans une compétition avec cinq équipes, la première capitalisera six points et la dernière deux points.
En cas d'élimination, l'équipe éliminée reçoit quand même un point.
Les gagnants seront désignés par le cumul de tous les points obtenus dans les jeux.
Si plusieurs équipes sont à égalité, un jeu supplémentaire servira à les départager : le tie-break (en général, le jeu des 5 drapeaux).

En France, il existe plusieurs rencontres importantes durant l'année durant lesquelles s'affrontent des équipes jouant en élite comme le Challenge Cht'is-Ouest se déroulant sur 5 manches (Centre équestre de Corné près d'Angers), Étrier Vitréen (en bretagne), centre équestre de la bonde(en Normandie), CE Evetria (dans le nord), et PC Buisseret (Belgique), « La Nocturne Internationale » ayant lieu au Logis du Poney à Saint Sauvant (86), le Challenge Peter Dale (dont 2 manches sur 5 se jouent au Centre Équestre du Deven à Istres, dans le sud de la France, les autres se jouant en Suisse ou à Cavaglià en Italie) et enfin les "Indiv's", unique compétition individuel en France se déroulant au Centre de la Bonde. Les championnats de France d'Equitation se déroule à Lamotte Beuvron et où s'affrontent les meilleures équipes de France s'étant qualifiées pendant l'année.

Championnats de France
Depuis plus de vingt ans, le championnat de France de Pony-Games par équipe est organisé à Lamotte-Beuvron (Loir-et-Cher), sur le site Fédéral. Chaque catégorie est représenté par plusieurs équipes, en fonction de l'âge et du niveau des cavaliers engagés. La catégorie-reine du pony-games français, a souvent vu son nom modifier au fil des années. MG1, Open 1, puis Open Elite, Amateur Elite Excellence, Club Elite, et enfin, Club Elite Excellence, nom qui lui est toujours attribué actuellement. Celle-ci correspond à la catégorie « Open » (ouverte à tous les cavaliers au-delà de l'âge de 15 ans) en indice Elite. C'est dans cette division que l'on retrouve le vivier de cavaliers pouvant prétendre à intégrer les équipes de France Open, afin de participer aux Championnats du Monde et d'Europe par équipe.

Champions Nationaux depuis 1993 :

 De 1993 à 1996 : Les Cocc's (Jessica Foissey, Charlotte Georgeault, Hugues Marteau, Hélène Rozé, Nicolas Rozé)

 1997 et 1998 : La Ferro (Carole Poulain, Charlotte Gerogeault, Hugues Marteau, Hélène Rozé, Nicolas Rozé)

 1999 : Les Speeds (Nicolas Deforges, Gregoire Landers, Benjamin Morillon, Nicolas Choblet)

 2000 : Les Kiss Cool (Fabrice Vedis, Sylvain Graudier, Benjamin Morceau, Samuel Bocahut, Marc Pamart)

 2001 : Les Guignols (Julie Marsille, Julien Marsille, Martin Nopère, François Nopère)

 2002 : Les Kiss Cool (Fabrice Vedis, Sylvain Graudier, Benjamin Morceau, Samuel Bocahut, Jessica Foissey)

 2003 : Les Walloos (Nicolas Deforges, Yoann Baudouin, Damien Floch, Nicolas Mauny, Valentin Vieilledent)

 2004 : Les Sales Gosses (Arnaud Sammut, Valentine Bertocchio, Gabriel Hullmann, Camille Pinson, Laura Nguyen)

 2005 : Les Speeds (Elodie Quenon, Mathilde Hevin, Vincent Leroy, Baptiste Delamaide, Felix Chevalier)

 2006 : Les Speeds (Elodie Quenon, Antoine Sejalon, Vincent Leroy, Baptiste Delamaide, Julie Tessier)

 De 2007 à 2009 : Les Speeds (Julie Tessier, Mathilde Hevin, Vincent Leroy, Baptiste Delamaide, Felix Chevalier)

 2010 : We Hope (Melanie Suchet, Julien Brun-Cosme, Florian Pepin, Ludovic Pepin, Joseph Suchet)

 2011 : Les Speeds (Julie Tessier, Mathilde Hévin, Vincent Leroy, Baptiste Delamaide, Elodie Quenon)

 2012 : Les Jump'in (Mehdi Khabouch, Maxime Lepage, Julien Brun-Cosme, Pierre Baud)

Podium internationaux Français
 Vice Champions d'Europe 2016 en Allemagne (Bertrand Cavé, Julien Brun-Cosme, Thomas Le Guern, Marie Muller, Florian Gicquel, entrainés par Cyril Barreau).
 Champions du Monde 2016 en Irelande (Bertrand Cavé, Thomas Le Guern, Quentin Voeltzel,Régis Graveline, Colin Verdelhan, entrainés par Cyril Barreau).
  au Championnat d'Europe 2015 en France (Bertrand Cavé, Julien Brun-Cosme, Thomas Le Guern, Victor Voeltzel, Baptiste Hebbrecht, entrainés par Cyril Barreau).
 Champions du Monde en Junior 2014 (première édition)  en France (Florian Gicquel, Mael Vernerey, Colin Verdelhan, Lucas Courtaillac, Lucas Marion, entrainés par Cyril Barreau).
  au Championnat d'Europe (Belgique) et du Monde (France) 2014 (Bertrand Cavé, François Aubault, Mathilde Hévin, Marie Muller, Victor Voeltzel, entrainés par Cyril Barreau).
 Vice Champions d'Europe 2013 en Irelande (Pierre Baud, Medhi Kabouch, Julien Brun-Cosme, Vincent Leroy et Julien Cornesse, entrainés par Isabelle Pierrard).
  au Championnat d'Europe 2021 en France (Kevin Vieira, Kevin Ravel, Franceska Dorcent,Selym Jazouli et Régis Graveline, entrainés par Karine Cathelinau).
  au Championnat du Monde 2012 au Pays de Galles (Quentin Voeltzel, Louis-Stéphane Amellér, Julien Brun-Cosme, Luc Julien et Mathilde Hévin, entrainés par Isabelle Pierrard).
  au Championnat du Monde 2011 au Danemark (Quentin Voeltzel, Vincent Leroy, Mehdi Khabouch, Ghislain Deslandes et Mathilde Hévin, entrainés par Isabelle Pierrard).
  au Championnat d'Europe 2011 en Irlande du Nord (Quentin Voeltzel, Luc Julien, Mehdi Khabouch, Ghislain Deslandes et Mathilde Hévin, entrainés par Isabelle Pierrard)
  au Championnat du Monde 2010 en Suisse (Quentin Voeltzel, Camille Pinson, Pierre Alexandre Maury, Ghislain Deslandes et Julien Henry entrainés par Isabelle Pierrard)
  au Championnat du Monde 2009 en Australie (Mathilde Hévin, Louis-Stéphane Amellér, Julien Brun-Cosme, Pierre-Alexandre Maury et Gaëtan Séjalon entrainés par Isabelle Pierrard)
  au Championnat d'Europe 2009 en France (Félix Chevalier, Mathilde Hévin, Ghislain Deslandes, Florian Pépin et Gaétan Séjalon, entrainés par Isabelle Pierrard)
  au Championnat du Monde 2003 aux États-Unis(Quentin Voeltzel, Jessica Foissey, Cindy Koe, Yoann Baudouin et Nicolas Deforges entrainés par Isabelle Pierrard)
  au Championnat du Monde 1996 équipe(Charlotte Georgeault, Jessica Foissey, Hugues Marteau, Hélène Rozé, Nicolas Rozé entrainés par Fabrice Rozé)
  au Championnat du Monde en Belgique équipe (Thomas Voeltzel, Quentin Voeltzel, Jessica Foissey, Richard Marchand, Marion Zanetti entrainés par Jacques Cavé)

En Suisse
Les catégories en Suisse, par exemple :
 Catégorie Shet : équipes composées de poneys de catégorie A et B exclusivement (max  au garrot) montés par des cavaliers âgés au maximum de 12 ans dans l'année en cours.
 Catégorie Minime : équipes composées de poneys de toutes catégories montés par des cavaliers âgés au maximum de 14 ans dans l'année en cours
Catégorie PG : équipes composées de poneys de catégorie B, C et D exclusivement (min  au garrot) montés par des cavaliers âgés au maximum de 17 ans dans l'année en cours.
Catégorie Open : équipes composées de poneys de catégorie B, C, D et chevaux jusqu'à  au garrot exclusivement (min  au garrot) montés par des cavaliers dont 1 au minimum est âgé de 18 ans dans l'année en cours.
Catégorie Adultes: équipes composées de cavaliers adultes dont 3 au minimum doivent être âgés de 27 ans et plus, et les 2 autres cavaliers doivent avoir au minimum 20 ans.
Toutes les catégories sont déclinées en trois indices (le 2 pour les débutants, le 1 pour les confirmés et l'élite pour les élites).

Championnat Suisse :

L'association: Mounted Games Switzerland organise les championnats suisse de Pony Games à travers la suisse romande mais aussi depuis peu la suisse alémanique. Elle est composée de 9 Clubs membres qui s'affrontent sur 5 manches les gagnants cumulent des points à chaque manche et une moyenne est effectué. Les clubs participants jouent en équipe de 5, Il peut y avoir plusieurs équipes du même club dans la même catégorie, cela dépend de la grandeur du club et de leurs moyens, car implique un nombre de poney à transporter plus important.

Les manches sont organisés de Mars à Septembre et se déroule au sein de club de l'association. Chaque club reçoit à son tour une manche. Les conditions sont donc à chaque fois différente ce qui demande une grande capacité d'adaptation. Les équipes sont chargés de trouver des sponsors afin de les aider dans le financement des déplacements, du matériel.

Gagnant 2017
 Catégorie Open Elite A : "Pony Mat Suisse" Sézenove(GE)
 Catégorie Open Elite B : "Les cocos de Laco" Laconnex(GE)
 Catégorie Shet 1 : "Les minimoys" Sézenove (GE)
 Catégorie PG 1 : "Tornados" Inwil(LU)
 Catégorie Minime : "Jaguars" Sézenove(GE)
 Catégorie Open 1 : "Les Why Not" Sézenove(GE)
 Catégorie Shet 2 : " Les chillis" Inwil(LU)
 Catégorie Adultes : "Les No panic" Sézenove(GE)
 Catégorie PG élite : "Les Timbrées" Sézenove(GE)

PG D'OR

Les PG d'OR sont des récompenses décernées à des cavaliers, des clubs, des équidés, etc. chaque année pour récompenser des performances sportives. Ces récompenses sont décernées depuis 2009.

La liste des nominés ainsi que les lauréats sont choisis par vote, ouvert à tout le monde. Les votes se déroulent chaque année à l'automne, sur internet, organisé par PonyGames.fr. Durant l'hiver, une grande soirée de gala est organisée pour dévoiler les lauréats et leur remettre leurs lots. Cet évènement non lucratif suscite chaque année un engouement de plus en plus important.

BeMOGA

BeMOGA est une association (loi 1901) créée le , et qui a pour but de développer et médiatiser le Pony-Games et le Mounted-Games en France. L'association agit de manière entièrement bénévole, en proposant conseils et assistances aux clubs et organisateurs de compétitions internationales notamment sur le plan de la communication (informatique, web, production visuelle), et propose un support pour les médias (TV, presse, etc.).

Notes et références

Annexes

Articles connexes

Liens externes
 BeMOGA
 Association Mondiale de Mounted Games
 Communauté Française du Pony-Games
 Association Suisse de Pony Mounted Games

Sport équestre
Sport collectif

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The Plymouth-based diver finished as the second ranked Commonwealth athlete, placing behind Australia's Melissa Wu who finished with bronze (with 349.50 points). China's Huang Xiaohui (373.60) and Liu Huixia (354.35) finished with gold and silver respectively.
Couch's synchro partner and team-mate, Sarah Barrow also failed to gain a medal as she finished in 11th place in her first performance at the World Cup 10m individual final.


Jeff continues to explore what each of those mean as the years roll by. A deeper understanding in composition, the roles he plays on stage, the exploration of the piano, and giving voice to song in his own unique way.
He's played piano since discovering the player piano in the basement of his childhood home.
Jeff is a storyteller at heart. Seated at the piano as a musician, or on stage as an actor, he brings his love of story to a unique artistic dimension. To him, it matters how the story is told. Jeff has been faithfully noodling in and around humor, music, theater and stories of faith for many years. His work as a composer has taken him deeper into these stories in ways he didn't expect, especially when it comes to untying the knot of humor. He hopes that you find some surprises in the work he is doing. So let's fly on the ferris wheel, take our hearts on the tilt-a-whirl.... and let's take this ride together.


In North America the black bear was seen by Hearne swimming for hours with widely open mouth, thus catching, like a whale, insects in the w ater. Even in so extreme a case as this, if the supply of insects were constant, and if better adapted competitors did not already exist in the country, I can see no difficulty in a race of bears being rendered, by natural selection, more and more aquatic in their structure and habits, with larger and larger mouths, till a creature was produced as monstrous as a whale.
My first interest in this passage is the sheer silliness of the idea that whales evolved from land mammals. It is, I think, one of the most outlandish suggestions (I'm being kind here) made by scientists today, up there with the multiverse and Panspermia. Dr. Carl Werner lists no less than nine parts of the small land mammal (he uses the so-called Pachyaena a so-called hyena-like creature as his subject) that would have to change by chance mutations in order for the hyena to become a whale.
I would like to tell you that scientists have seen the folly in imagining such a thing. Werner reports that, "Modern evolution scientists do not believe that whales evolved from a black bear by acquired characteristics and natural selection as Charles Darwin once speculated." Whew! Thank goodness, right? No. Werner goes on to explain, "They now theorize that whales evolved from a land animal through a complicated series of chance mutations in the DNA of the reproductive cells." Complicated indeed!
 Charles Darwin, On the Origin of Species: Classic Illustrated Edition (Kindle Locations 2375-2379). Heritage Illustrated Publishing. Kindle Edition.
 Carl Werner, Evolution: The Grand Experiment, Vol. 1, (Green Forest AR: New Leaf Press, 2014), 40-54.
 James T. Costa, The Annotated Origin: A Facsimile of the First Edition of On the Origin of Species, (London: Harvard University Press, 2011), 184.
A whale is a mammal. It has vetigal structures, like hind leg bones. Why don`t you at least try to understand the subject you`re talking about?
I did, you ignored it.
So, perhaps now you`d like to explain why a whale (a mammal) has hind leg bones and a pelvis?
John, we are never going to agree but we could do a far sight better if you actually gave credit for response. Yes, I understand that whales have what you and others would interpret to be vestigial hind leg bones. My response was a question: "Are you suggesting that similarities in structure are solid proof for the theory that bears evolved into whales?" Your answer, aside from not actually giving one, was to try and force me to explain why whales are like they are. The same typical foolish stuff of atheism and evolution where you discount any idea or disagreement in an effort to create some aura of truth for yourselves, your ideas, and you imaginations. Just because I (nor you) can explain with any expertise why whales are made like they are does not then open the way for the foolishness of evolution and the idiocy of land mammals become ocean going mammals. Can't wait for all of those intermediate bear-to-whale fossils that must surely be forthcoming. Especially the bear with a blowhole! That will be a real clincher. Or maybe it will be a hyena with a dorsal fin!
I don`t believe the quote you posted said anything whatsoever about whales having evolved from bears. And by that statement alone it is patently clear you don`t understand the basic (fundamental) concept of what common ancestry even means.
The quote absolutely suggests that Darwin was open to the possibility of bears evolving into monstrous sea going creatures through acquired traits. The quote was not to emphasize common ancestry nor did I make any claim to that. It was instead a reference to the idea of acquired characteristics. It's embarrassing to imagine that some in the past actually believed that if a bear spent enough time in the water and trapped fish with his mouth long enough that somehow a new species would come forth. It is even sillier to imagine the number of chance mutations in the DNA that it would take for any of the proposed land animals to evolve into a whale. Don't forget to send over the pictures of all those intermediate fossils of bear/whales, especially the hyena blowhole pics!
This is why talking to a Cre ationist is such a waste of time.
As we sometimes see individuals of a species following habits widely different from those of their own species and of the other species of the same genus, we might expect, on my theory, that such individuals would occasionally have given rise to new species, having anomalous habits, and with their structure either slightly or considerably modified from that of their proper type.
Please try and get your quotes correct in the future.
Now, follow these next words carefully, Darwin knew nothing, absolutely nothing, about gene theory. He didn`t understand genetic drift or the nature of mutation. He didn`t know about DNA. In 1859 Darwin believed natural selection was the single mechanism by which Evolution proceeded. This is why in the actual quote he`s talking about altered behaviours.
Think about that, and perhaps you`ll start to see how utterly foolish (and ignorant) you are coming across as.
My quote is word for word from the first edition. The word almost did not come in until later. I know what I am talking about. John you have not even bothered to follow the gist of what I wrote in the article. The quotes speak for themselves. They are correct. You are not as informed as you think you are. All you have are the words and vocabularly that you have learned by rote. You are standing on the backs of others who, like Darwin, have made stupid guesses, false assumptions, and have passed it off as science. you are grouped in with atheists and dreamers who have staked their entire claims on pseudo science that even children can discount with simple logic.
Scott, the quote is not "word for word". It is two sections pasted together without ellipses. Follow the link and you will see. And no, Scott, you do not know what you`re talking about, as evidenced by your ridiculous allusion to hyena`s with blowholes. This demonstrates that you have absolutely no idea whatsoever as to what a common decedent is.
Darwin did not "guess," he made observations and drew a hypothesis on those observations. That is to say, he used the scientific method to explain the natural world. He did so, successfully, without even the first idea of genetics, which is quite astonishing. Without knowledge of gene theory his hypothesis was incomplete, but it has only been confirmed since as knew science has come to the fore.
You also seem to like to equate atheism with Evolution. You`re being an utter idiot here. The Catholic Church accepts Evolution as fact. I`m afraid, it`s just (some) of you American evangelicals who refuse to accept reality.
Even in so extreme a case as this, if the supply of insects were constant, and if better adapted competitors did not already exist in the country, I can see no difficulty in a race of bears being rendered, by natural selection, more and more aquatic in their structure and habits, with larger and larger mouths, till a creature was produced as monstrous as a whale.
The link you shared only confirms this. I made no other point about it except to share two versions of the interaction over these words that were included in the original between Owen and Darwin. My quote is word for word from the first edition. No I did not go on to quote the next paragraph.
You really have to move beyond using as your number one tactic your claim that know one knows anything. This is what you do repeatedly. You stop every conversation by claiming that everyone else is ignorant.
And by the way there is of course a huge connection between atheism and evolution. That you don't know that shows your ignorance.
As for hyena's with blow wholes, even if I believed balderdash about commen descendents, etc., you still have to explain the various stages of change that would have to take place. With all of their smoke, mirrors, double-talk, and misdirection even evolutionists like yourself are not saying that one day you see a bear (or some other medium sized land animal)and the next you see a whale. So there should be fossils showing those various stages of development. Are really trying to say that that is not the case?
One of the problems with your thinking concerning Christianity is that you have based it all on your exposure to Catholicism. If you are assessing faith and belief in the Christian God based only on what you see and hear from Catholics, you have missed the boat anyway.
Darwin, Charles (2014-11-09). On the Origin of Species – Classic Illustrated Edition (Kindle Locations 2376-2379). Heritage Illustrated Publishing. Kindle Edition.
Errrum, don`t try and run from the fact that you tried to equate atheism with Evolution. That`s just so insane it`s hilarious. Your ignorance of basic facts is shown and on full display.
Catholics accept Evolution as fact.
Now, Scott, you can believe the earth is 5,000 years old. I don`t care. I just hope you have absolutely no contact with children, because you are not functioning in evidence-based reality.
By the way, still waiting for links to all tthose websites documenting the multiple intermediate black bear/ blow hole fossils!
Ah, and there it is… You`ve just proven my point.
Please, Scott, I`m sure you`re a nice person, but you truly come across as an ignorant fool trying to address this subject.
Read the Catholic Church`s statement on Evolution. As you`ll see, you can retain your beliefs in your particular Middle Eastern god, Yhwh, while interacting with evidence-based reality.
No, you can't retain your beliefs in God and accept evolution, certainly not as it is described by people like yourself.
2 billion Catholics say you`re wrong.
What do you care about Catholics? They believe in God. Doesn't that make them anti-intellectctual idiots? Catholicism is not the standard anyone should be going by. Just because you can rustle up people on one who don't believe in God, and on the other people who believe in evolution, and on the other people who exemplify some other aspect of thought that bolsters your position: so what? And by the way, since you don't believe in God you are not qualified to speak on behalf of Catholics.
Bolstering my position? What on earth are you talking about? Evolution is fact. It`s not my position. It just is, like gravity just is.
I am absolutley qualified to speak for those who actually believe the Bible and the fundamental tenets fo Christianity. My final word: still waiting on the proof of all those intermediate fossils!
Evidently, you are not… as I have demonstrated. You are contradicting the beliefs of 2 billion believers, including the Pope, and you, Scott, don`t get to decide that they`re wrong.
You`re arrogance, though, is astonishing.
Now, what is an "intermediate" fossil? There is no such term in Evolution. It`s as meaningless as the Creationist terms "Micro"and "Macro" evolution. There is no such thing. There is only "Evolution." Or what, you want a Croco-dillo, do you? A Heyena with a blow-hole? And again, you display your utter ignorance to what common descendency means.
Incidentally, the word intermediate is used by Stephen C. Myer in Darwins Doubt (page 12), whom you will surely find something harsh to say about, nevertheless, his PhD from Cambridge is likely enough to withstand your criticism.
Myer is a Creationst, and his doctorate is in geology, not biology.
Wow! You really are more narrow minded than I realized; no room next to your great intellect for any lowly Cambridge graduate. Please, John, tell us how you came to be such a first hand expert on everything?
Undergraduate in geology, Ph.D in philosophy. I respect the Doctorate, but it hardly qualifies him to speak about biology with any actual authority.
You seriously can`t see that?
He has as much authority as you do.
LOL, excuse me. I'm wrong. His Ph.D is in philosophy!!
Oh dear, a real expert!!!
Ph.D. in the History and Philosophy of Science. University of Cambridge, England, 1991. Thesis: "Of Clues and Causes: A Methodological Interpretation of Origin-of-Life Research." Analyzed scientific and methodological issues in origin-of-life biology.
He has an undergraduate in geology.
Kenneth Miller, American cell biologist and molecular biologist who is currently Professor of Biology and Royce Family Professor for Teaching Excellence at Brown University, uses the word intermediate in reference to transitional fossils in the so-called evolution of the whale. I guess he is an idiot too.
First, there is no inherent opposition between faith and the scientific discovery that life evolved from lower forms to higher forms over many millions of years. Pope Benedict XVI stated in his address to the Pontifical Academy of Sciences in 2008, "My predecessors Pope Pius XII and Pope John Paul II noted that there is no opposition between faith's understanding of creation and the evidence of the empirical sciences." That's because the Catholic Church does not hold a strictly literal interpretation of the Genesis story of creation, as do some Protestant denominations.
According to the Catechism of the Catholic Church (#337), the book of Genesis "symbolically" presents God's work of creation. In other words, the Biblical story of creation is like a parable in that the plot does not have to be literally true in order for the story to convey profound religious truths, such as the sequential and increasingly complex nature of God's creative activity.
It's always hilarious to watch creationists attack Darwin and make believe that evolutionary theory and the science haven't changed at all. It does a great job of showing that willful ignorance is all that keeps creationism in existence.
Once again, you've helped me find a blogger with his head on his shoulders.
I hope you and JZ continue identifying "idiots" by name on your blog. It's a great way to figure out who I need to follow!
The Creationist`s Club is indeed quite an exclusive collection of unique people. Ken Ham welcomes you all.
Not everyone who realizes the phantasmagoric foolishness of bears evolving into whales is necessarily a strict creationist.
And ocne again, no one (not even Darwin in your erronous quote) says bears evolved into whales.
Honestly Scott, lift your game. You`re just looking foolish.
Yeah, you've said that before John and yet yes, evolutionists do believe that whales evolved from a hyena-like land animal. I dont care how you arrive at that John, it's evolutionists that look foolish. And you are running out of comebacks.
Yep. Lord knows, Evolution and Atheism are as different as East and West. But all "Creationists" are little duplicates of Ken Ham.
I mean, they believe EXACTLY the same things!
Evolution has positively nothing to do with Atheism. That`s your strawman. One concerns the existence of invisible magical beings for which there is no evidence whatsoever, while the other explains the mechansims by which life proceeds in the observable world. As I`ve already shown Scott, Catholics (2 billion of them, and of which I was one) have no problem whatsoever with accepting Evolution as fact.
And I'm afraid to say, there is only one type of Creationism. It all involves magic… and an awful lot of wilful ignorance.
Hmm…seems like a lot of magic had to happen for that land animal to become a whale!
Not at all. It's called genetic drift, and it occurs over millions upon million upon millions of years.
You're interrupting my coffee date with my identical twin, Ken Ham.
Okay, so tell me, how is your creationism different from Ham's?
Can`t you just lay it out here, in a few sentences. You are a Creationist. Ken Ham is a Creationist. How does your Creationism differ from his Creationism?
It really is not as black and white as you want to force it to be. A Creationist is generally a strict, "must-have-happened-in-six-days" believer who can allow no room for interpretation otherwise. While I firmly believe in God, and I firmly believe that "in the beginning God created the heavens and the earth," I have no problem with an investigation into various ways in which God may have carried out the task of creation. A strict Creationist does not allow for that. And while you denegrate guys like Meyer, you should instead inestigate further and respect the fact that he is in no way a Creationist. He does not advocate for Creationism. Creationists don't allow for an old earth as Meyer does. He merely believes that we can see in living things the marks of a Designer. While he may believe that that Designer is the Christian God, anyone is free to disagree with his conclusions. But to disrespect his search for facts is not a proper scientific response. You, John Zande, expect others to accept or at least entertain your conclusions and yet you do not afford the same privelege to others who have at least as much right to do so and as much expertise as yourself.
Exactly. There is no difference. Thanks for confirming that.
This why why I can't respect you John and why I am done with our pointless conversations, and why I will approve no further comments from you in the future. It's not that I mind a real discussion, a debate, or even disagreement. But you have no intention of allowing any thought to exist other than your own, but worst than that, you are willing to compromise principle for the sake of argument.
Ah, here is Amanda again who is all happy that she has found someone who agrees with her. This is no surprise since they make the same false claims as she does, and have the same lack any evidence for those claims.
Still waiting for you to support your claims, Amanda.
Hmmm, still no evidence that any "borrowing" is going on.
Hmmm, still no evidence that the gift cards are "freebies" and nothing to show that my post is about only one bible verse. It is about at least a handful, those about the miracles of the loaves and fishes, and several in Mark 16 where JC promises that *any* baptized believer will be able to do miracles, specifically healing other humans. Despite the presence of plenty of people needing healing near the Reason Rally site at Walter Reed AMC, Christians like MMM and Ray Comfort refuse to do something that would help people. They insist on spending $25,000 for sandwiches to convince people to take a book that has no evidence to support its claims.
Quite a claim since, as has been stated, this happens in every school in the world.
A great example of a Christian who fantasizes about hell and people being punished for disagreeing with MMM. Evidence for this hell is yet to be given.
Poor MMM. I've asked her to show this to be the case and as of yet, no evidence of such a thing. She's been shown that skeptics do indeed give evidence and defend themselves and she chooses to repeat the lie and still has not given any evidence to support her claim. MMM, you are still welcome to show where I have said "that is not evidence." Your strawman atheist still has yet to come to life for you.
This is a wonderful excuse on why a TrueChristian can't display her promised magical powers. It's everyone else's fault that she can't do anything. But when it was pointed out that we surely can find one Christian at Walter Reed AMC, she ignores that point. There is no caveat offered by JC or anyone in the bible that the person being healed must believe as MMM does.
MMM has made this claim and cannot show where this sentiment was expressed by myself. How unsurprising.
Of course, no evidence for these claims either. MMM has done a great job of acknowledging that Ray Comfort is trying to "win" over others, rather than just giving out a "freebie".
Again, no evidence for this attempt at an analogy.
MMM has been asked to show that her god exists and that her religion is true so she can support the claim that it is "stupid" not to believe. Still waiting for that evidence.
Again, nothing to support that I have said anything like this attempt to create an atheist strawman.
Still hasn't shown where this was said by MMM or where this happened by the supposed "student".
This was on MMM's own blog and was shown to be wrong by the fact that other people do discuss this. MMM needs to show why anyone should consider her personal ignorance evidence.
A repetition of a false claim from earlier. Still no evidence and more lovely bearing of false witness against another.
This is offered as a claim that I did not answer her questions. Those questions were answered and she has of course tried to call me a liar with no evidence presented at all.
A common assumption that her bible is the sole font of morality. Alas, MMM is ignorant about other religions and doesn't realize her bible borrows from others. She has yet to show that her religion is the sole font of morality or that her god exists.
Still waiting for why we should do such a thing per MMM.
Still no evidence for this claim.
MMM claimed she had highlighted a screen capture to support this claim but when offered to have it put up on this blog, she refused to give it since she would be asked to support her claims by showing why what she supposedly highlighted was "evidence" of what she claimed.
Another lovely loaded question which was answered by ignoring the false dichotomy offered.
A quick reading of my blog can set this doubt to rest. But as always still waiting for evidence to support this attempt to cast aspersions.
No evidence for this false claim either.
Which is shown to be false when she then changes her answer to "I believe you when you say that's how you would describe red to a blind person. I'm just saying it wouldn't be very helpful." After her claims were shown to be false and she was given the definition of "describe".
An attempt to try to claim that MMM didn't ask the original question but "really" intended to ask the second, different question, in an attempt to invalidate the answer she received.
"Is lying a bad thing?
Would you say they're wrong?
Questions asked by MMM herself that she refuses to answer.
""Christians claim that their bible is the word of God, so, unless you want to claim it is not, aka, that thing you are trying to live up to what is written in there, it is the same question: "does morality come from the bible?" "does morality come from your god?" If you want to say there is a difference, please do so. It makes a fine problem for Christians no matter what you say.
Offered evidently to "side-track" the discussion since MMM has refused to answer any of my questions but feels she still must ask more of her own.
And where MMM decried any attempt to get off track from the questions about Ray Comfort. She has no problem in trying to distract from her own failures by doing exactly what she attacks me for.
Now, on the topic of Ray Comfort, I've yet to see who he has donated the supposed $25,0000 to. It's been almost a month since the Reason Rally. One would think that ol' Ray would want the world to know that he made good on his promise.
Wow! mrsmcmommy, you seem to have gotten under club's skin. He seems unhappy with you.
We only have a short time before all of us cease existing and everyone forgets we were even here.
Don't make us spend our miserable lives reading your books… That's just cruel. Let us go have chemical reactions called love and then die.
I'm sorry if people will forget you are or were here. I don't worry about that, Amanda.
I'm also sorry if your life is miserable. Mine is not, and I have plenty of time to read and to investigate the world. I don't have to try to spread false claims like you have repeatedly tried to do.
And yes, Amanda, love is a chemical reaction. That doesn't make it any less enjoyable or real. Indeed, it makes it more real since it isn't dependent on the baseless claims of one religion that can't show that it is any more true than any other religion.
Incidentally, Amanda, have you and SOM discussed which of you are the apostate and is going to the sadistic fantasy of hell?
Why, yes. He's at this coffee meeting with Ken Ham.
Obviously, Christians HAVE to agree on all the details. (That's what I've been saying to JZ.) We think exactly alike, or we're not allowed to believe in God. So we will be conducting a shoot out, as soon as Silence finishes his carmel latte.
sure, Amanda, sure. Yep, Christians should be agreeing on the details, since they claim that the details will be why someone is damned to their sadistic fantasy of hell (or separation from God or whatever else they invent as "hell") and why someone else gets magic heaven presents, yet one more concept that Christians can't agree on. .
It's quite amusing when Christians happily attack each other but when a non-Christian points out their hypocrisy, they circle the wagons as fast as they can. Alas, reality is a check on this nonsense when I personally remember the anti-Catholic nonsense when I was growing up and can do a Google search and see TrueChristians (protestants in this case)insisting that Catholics are damned and can see Catholics make the same claims. The Catholics at least officially claim that other sects and other religions may have part of the "true" story, but even they are sure that only they are the TrueChristians.
Now, since other Christians show that your claims aren't true, who are we to believe?
Thankfully atheists don't circle the wagons like that! What ever would we do?
hmmm, pub, you seem to be trying real hard to make an accusation. Now do support it with evidence. Or is this one more instance of a Christian ignoring his supposed god and bearing false witness and showing that they don't care about their religion any more than I do?
You've ranted enough Club. Not interested in wasting any more of my time with Jerry Springer-style back and forth.
It's fine to disagree. It's fine to have real debate. That's not what this has been. I certainly don't feel the need to convince you of anything, whoever you are.
I didn't read after that. Whatever other Christians "claim," that's what I believe! If someone says you have to stand on your head and sing Old MacDonald to get into Heaven, then I agree!!!!!!
Yes, Publisher. How dare you not know that Club Schadenfreud is a FEMININE handle.
…I actually define Creationism a little more loosely than you, it seems. I would call most Theists "Creationists" since most Theists recognize a Creator. But I totally agree that the "when" and "how" of creation is open to investigation.
If you REALLY want to tweek JZ, just point out that even ATHEISTS are starting to get bored with the "Nature by Itself" explanation. People like Elon Musk believe the sophistication of our universe must point toward intelligence, so they believe a post-human species must have stimulated itself. (Think Matrix.) So, even among other God -deniers, JZs brand is becoming more and more irrelevant.
Thanks mmm. A comparison to Ham, however, requires (at least for me) a clarification. Thanks for tip on Zande. He does not give a fair consideration to others arguments. I am not interested in that.