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Uncle Sam wants your child.. for military service
By Jesse Muhammad
Updated Jun 4, 2008, 01:30 pm
Recruiters are pushing military service on youngsters and violating the law, says ACLU
(FinalCall.com) - Children as young as 11-years-old are targets of military recruiters, who dangle video games, drive flashy SUVs, spin tales of adventure, promise money for college and other pipe dreams and trinkets in a campaign to entice youngsters into military service, according to the American Civil Liberties Union.
The U.S. is violating its own laws in failing to safeguard children under 18 from military recruitment, while high school girls have been raped and groped by recruiters in some instances.
The report, "Soldiers of Misfortune: Abusive U.S. Military Recruitment and Failure to Protect Child Soldiers," found military recruiting practices violate international protocols for the recruitment of child soldiers—a practice the United States routinely condemns in conflicts in Africa and other nations. The "Optional Protocol on the Involvement of Children in Armed Conflict" was ratified in December 2002. It is supposed to keep children under 18 from being preyed on by recruiters and guarantees basic protections to former child soldiers seeking refugee protection in the United States or who are in U.S. custody for alleged crimes.
Victor Jackson witnessed violations firsthand after being approached by a recruiter while in high school.
"He (the Air Force recruiter) made a lot of promises to me and the only promise they kept was the part about me getting hollered at and bossed around," said Mr. Jackson, who was discharged after serving 13 months. "He lied about the options I would have once I got in, the opportunities for me were altered and even the dream sheet they have you fill out is a lie."
Mr. Jackson signed up to make money as he awaited the birth of his daughter, but later regretted it. "They moved me from Texas to Delaware, which wasn't my place of choice. I was told that I would get at least 6 months to prepare myself to go overseas but within 3 months I was in Saudi Arabia. They made us watch videos to put in us hate for people across seas but I saw that everyone over there is not like that. They are a bunch of liars," he said.
"Military recruitment tools aimed at youth under 18, including Pentagon-produced video games, military training corps, and databases of students' personal information, have no place in America's schools," said Jennifer Turner of the ACLU Human Rights Project. "The United States military's procedures for recruiting students plainly violate internationally accepted standards and fail to protect youth from abusive and aggressive recruitment tactics," she said. The ACLU report was released May 13.
The report notes that recruiters disproportionately target poor and minority students and use public schools as prime recruiting grounds. The ACLU charges exaggerated promises of financial rewards, coercion, deception and sexual abuse by recruiters nullify so-called "voluntariness" of recruitment. A 2007 survey of New York City high school students by the New York Civil Liberties Union and other organizations found more than 1 in 5 students, including students as young as 14, reported the use of class time by military recruiters.
Jeremy Jenkins, a high school senior, was first approached by a Marine recruiter at 16-years-old. "They (military recruiters) are always at school career days and other events with attractive setups to entice young people. I think the national defense is important but recruiters should only impart knowledge to young people and not influence them under the age of 18," he said.
Mr. Jenkins is on his way to the Naval Academy because of his dream to be a pilot. "It had nothing to do with a recruiter or the Jr. ROTC because I didn't want to join on. However, the Navy has presented me with an opportunity to achieve my dream but of course they make no guarantees," he said.
Statistics from the New York survey noted nearly 1 in 5 respondents at selected schools did not believe anyone in their school could properly advise them about the risks and benefits of military enlistment. Additionally, almost 1 in 3 students surveyed were unsure if such a person was available in their school. Nearly half of respondents did not know who should be told about military recruiter misconduct.
"I wanted to join the Marines in the 8th grade because they had brochures at the carnivals we had at school," said Toni Cervantes, who is now college bound. "But I quickly changed my mind after hearing stories from my friends who joined and discovered that it was nothing like the recruiters promised. The so-called free ride is a long process."
Are Blacks and Hispanics the primary recruiting targets? According to information from the Department of Defense, from 2000 to 2007, the percentage of Blacks enlisting in the various armed forces decreased by 6 percent while Hispanic enlistment jumped about 30 percent. Defense Department population studies revealed most recruits are from lower income backgrounds and only 8 percent of recruits have a parent who is a professional. With over $1 billion a year spent on recruiting efforts, the Defense Department examines long term trends in the youth population and evaluates how to increase interest in the military.
"It's no mystery that the armed forces target the urban areas," said an Army military recruiter in Houston and the country's southwest region. "We go to a lot of Black and Hispanic schools for career days, programs, and other functions because we have a quota to meet every year as it relates to Blacks and Hispanics. It is true that those students are more adamant to join on with us because of the opportunities that are given to them—although many may disagree. But we do help a lot of people who don't have any other option coming out of high school."
School boards and local education departments are being asked by the ACLU to create a transparent, system-wide policy governing recruitment in public schools. The policy should defend students' and parents' rights to withhold information from the military, limit military recruiter access to high school campuses, protect student safety, and ensure educational integrity, the ACLU said. It should also clearly inform public high school students about their rights in relation to military recruitment, protect students from coercive military recruiter practices, and consistently enforce such procedures and guidelines across the school district, the civil liberties group said.
Sexual abuse by military recruiters
An CBS News investigation in 2006 reported over 100 young women who expressed interest in the military were sexually assaulted by recruiters, raped on recruiting office couches, assaulted in government cars and groped en route to entrance exams. Many of the victims were under 17 years of age. The Army alone had 53 allegations of sexual misconduct that year but a spokesman defended that it "is not indicative of the entire command of 8,000 recruiters."
An Associated Press investigation revealed most recruiters found guilty of sexual misconduct were only disciplined administratively, facing a reduction in rank or forfeiture of pay. Military and civilian prosecutions remain rare.
The ACLU wants the U.S. to eliminate the military recruitment provision from the No Child Left Behind Act; create accessible grievance procedures for recruiter abuses; apply meaningful punishments to recruiters who engage in abusive, harassing, or deceptive recruitment practices; and create a "Recruit's Bill of Rights" that must be publicized and posted in recruitment stations to detail opt-out procedures and the right not to enlist.
The U.N. Committee on the Rights of the Child received the ACLU report because it oversees the relevant international protocol. The committee was to review the report before late May questioning of a U.S. government delegation on its compliance with protocol obligations in Geneva.
The report also criticizes U.S. detention of children at Guantánamo and U.S.-run facilities overseas without recognizing their juvenile status or observing international juvenile justice standards. Details of U.S. denial of asylum to former child soldiers under immigration provisions intended to bar their victimizers and child victims of human rights abuses denied protection in the U.S. are included in the report.
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All Those Operational Details the Obama Administration Gave About the bin Laden Raid? Maybe They Weren't Quite True.
Peter Suderman | 5.3.2011 4:51 PM
What a difference a day makes. Yesterday: Obama administration officials said an armed Osama bin Laden was shot and killed in a firefight while using one of his wives as a human shield. The wife, we were told, was also killed in the process.
Today: Maybe bin Laden wasn't armed. Or using the woman as a human shield. And, well, she wasn't actually his wife. Also, um, she didn't die. But aside from that…
The new Defense Department narrative released by the White House, and read at a White House news briefing on Tuesday, said that one of Bin Laden's wives was shot in the leg as she charged members of the commando team on the third floor of the compound.
"In the room with Bin Laden, a woman – Bin Laden's wife – rushed the U.S. assaulter and was shot in the leg but not killed," the brief statement said. "Bin Laden was then shot and killed. He was not armed."
Jay Carney, the White House press secretary, read the narrative in an attempt to correct statements by administration officials who had suggested that Bin Laden was armed during the raid.
Under questioning, Mr. Carney said that the White House stood by its claim on Monday that Bin Laden had resisted capture, but said that "resistance does not require a firearm." Mr. Carney said that the new narrative was the result of "fresh" information.
…On Monday, John O. Brennan, the top counterterrorism adviser to President Obama, said he believed that Bin Laden's wife had been killed while trying to shield the terror leader during the 40-minute raid.
But the narrative released Tuesday by Mr. Carney suggested that the woman who died in the raid was part of another family living at the compound. The narrative says that woman was shot and killed on the first floor, not the third floor, where Bin Laden was found and killed.
Let's assume, for the moment, that no bad faith was involved in the initial transmission of these unfortunate untruths, and that it was all a result of a misunderstanding, not a deliberate plan to spread a convenient story about bin Laden dying a particularly pathetic death. As anyone who's ever played a game of telephone knows, it's tough enough to get a bunch of people sitting in a room next to each other to keep a story straight; in the fog of kinetic military action, it's surely even tougher.
But that's the point: This sort of revision should be a reminder to anyone tempted to take the official story at face value before it's been independently reported and verified. It's easy to ignore the fact that the vast majority of the details reported about the raid came via the usually-talking-point-filled mouths of administration sources, not from firsthand accounts, independent reports, or documentation. All we know is what various senior officials said happened, not what actually happened. This is why it would be helpful for the administration to release documentation—images, video, audio, whatever—that can verify the official account of the raid. But so far, they're not even saying exactly how Obama and other White House officials tracked the operation's progress, only that they followed along in real time.
The administration deserves a small amount of credit for willingly issuing what amounts to an embarrassing correction—but only a small amount. If you're going to stand in front of the world as senior representatives of the United States government and confidently assert that some historic event happened in some particular way, then you'd better be certain you've got your story straight. By failing to get basic who, what, and where information right the first time around, the administration has undermined its own credibility on what ought to have been a straightforward victory and arguably made it easier for the inevitable conspiracy theories to spread. Good for them for correcting their mistakes. But they should've gotten it right the first time around.
NEXT: "No Nation Was Ever Ruined By Trade"
Peter Suderman is features editor at Reason.
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May.3.2011 at 4:57 pm
Is it just me or is Jay Carney the smarmiest sack of shit on earth? I know press secretaries get paid to lie. But Carney seems awful even by the low standards of press secretaries. He reminds me of a preppy villain out of a John Hughes movie.
And yeah, it looks like Obama went full gansta on his ass. So much for the theory that we would have captured him alive if we could have.
Well his last name is Carney. I tell ya you just can't trust carnival folk.
blogimi Dei
they have small hands…
and they smell of cabbage…
!WAR NOW THINK LATER!
And I used to think Robt Gibbs was as oily as you could get…where in the fuck does Obama come up with these weasels?
May.4.2011 at 1:08 am
I pull them out of my ass.
They're libs. Calling them weasels isn't fair to weasels.
I'll believe nothing a democrat says until they produce a corpse.
When they release the pictures of the corpse they should be captioned "That is the Chicago Way"
May.3.2011 at 10:36 pm
I guess that explains why they sent him to sleep with the fishes. Old habits die hard.
bring a gun to the fight, right?
But you believed the yellowcake, WMD, and "mobile weapons labs" lies that the Bushpigs told you?
Shrike, this is a libertarian site, not a conservative one. Please learn the difference. We do not worship Bush here.
Episiarch
shriek's too fucking stupid to learn, PIRS. He's been told this many, many times. But what do you expect from a mongoloid?
Epi, Dude… apparently mongoloid is not the preferred nomenclature…
Gilmore, we're not talking about the people who built the railroads …
Retard? Imbecile? Which one would you choose? They all apply equally to shriek.
Someone told me couple threads ago that it's insensitive to people with Down's Syndrome. And Genghis Khan. You big meanie! 'Mongrel'-oid is supposedly the PC replacement. But I think that is insulting to dogs.
The Iraq lies are now equivalent to whether OBL was armed or not?
All of you partisan fucks are hoisted.
BS Detector
Nothing like the cool, calm voice of bipartisan reason to show us the way.
Nooge
What the fuck are you talking about?
Maybe Shrike can explain how an unarmed, sickly man in his mid to late 50s, armed only with his wife, somehow "resisted capture" when surrounded by young, strong, highly trained and heavily armed Navy SEALS who were trying to apprehend him, to the point he needed to be shot dead.
Chief BUSHPig OBAMA
We're so very much alike,
everyone can see but shriike.
Bullshit, Gilmore. I didn't say anything about the use of the word mongoloid being insensitive to anyone and I didn't say "mongreloid" was its PC replacement – because it's not. I simply asked you a question about your intended meaning, because you seemed to be connoting the idea of mixture, which is much more in line with the meaning of the word mongrel than mongol or mongoloid. It's not my fault if you sound like Archie Bunker.
You aint from around here, is you… boy?
Make that, 'meathead'. Now get me a beer!
Relax and try and think of this as socializing rather than 'point scoring'.
Your etymological preferences are in fact likely more apropos. Which is why Epi's comment was funny. Which is why I mentioned it was funny. Mongols & Mongoliods everywhere are proud you rise to speak in their defense.
Now, we only need someone to defend dogs of mixed birth, and New Yorkers.
I gotta go look up this "Mongrel-oid" business. That's like replacing "Negro" with "Niggero".
The Bush voters run wild in the comments section.
Take a poll – they defend the worst of his policies. Many even defend his protection of the Fannie Mae racket.
John even defends that birdbrain Palin.
Shrike, I would like you to name some of the handles you have seen defend Bush's war in Iraq or his TARP bill or even the PATRIOT Act.
Name them. You made the claim and the rules of logic say the burden of proof is upon you. So name the handles.
? Strangers in the night,
exchanging insults… ?
Thou art some fool, I am loath to beat thee.
May.4.2011 at 12:00 am
Shrikie, thanks for your blind loyalty. Don't let them get away with criticizing my policies or comparing me with YUCKY Bush.
After all, I am brighter than Bush and Palin!
Joshua Corning
I liked his tax cuts….everything else was pretty much shit.
John and I are probably the biggest Bush "supporters" I know of here and I never voted for him. You will have to ask John who he voted for.
Anyway PIRS question is still open to you.
Name a Bush supporter that comments here.
Only the sheople, Shrike, only the sheople.
You, right now, can not prove that OBL is dead anymore than you can prove that 4 saudis, armed with boxcutters, brought down the twin towers.
Hey Sheik….your guys can't even take credit without fucking up!
If it wasn't so funny it would be sad.
Magnus – you are the kind of Bushpig partisan that others tell me doesn't exist here.
In fact – they JUST said it!
You do unbend your noble strength, to think so brainsickly of things.
Bushpig Obamapig Bushpig Obamapig.
That the administration can't even come up with a consistant story PRUVES that it is fake! It's the insiders! Demand Osama's long form death certificate!
Okay, according to you, if one does not instantly accord credibility to each and every pronouncement of the state, one is a few fries short of a happy meal.
It's not our fault that this administration collectively is the biggest lying sack of shit since Tricky Dick. That's why it has to go through the pain of releasing birth certificates and murder scene photos. It's their own damn fault.
Additionally, governments are usually always full of shit. The burden of proof should ALWAYS be on them to prove they're not lying.
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Skonkey
"..the third floor, where Bin Laden was found and killed."
At least he wasn't living in the basement like some people.
Hey! My mom says she doesn't smell me as much down there.
The Other Kevin
Apparently there were a number people who survived the raid. I'd be very interested to hear their account. Sounds like they were all rounded by the Paki police, though.
highnumber
Pretty sure the word you just used for "Pakistani" is roundly considered a slur.
..I just assumed the slur was intended.
I gave him the benefit of the doubt.
ClubMedSux
I don't know if I'd say "roundly." I'm guessing there are many folks like myself who aren't familiar enough with Pakistanis to know the proper slurs.
Trig Palin
Call em all Hadji, like in Jonny Quest
I did not know that. If the residents of Uzbekistan are called Uzbeks, why are the residents of Pakistan called Pakistanis? just curious
Uzbekistan is named after the Uzbek people while Pakistan is a description of the place ("land of the pure" in Urdu).
So why would being call the "pures" be an insult? I think its only an insult since it was adopted as the appropriate shortform by cockney BNP hellraisers
Stormy Dragon
Actually, Pakistan was an acronym for the various bits and pieces that made it:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L…..mologies#P
Huh neat. Thanks for the link
It's Urdu for "pure".
In the antipodes it's just an abbreviation.
I was thinking more along the lines of "wtf racists, can you please not use abbreviations for your slurs? Lazy fucking, abbreviation stealing, crackers."
mad libertarian guy
I don't give a shit what any of them have to say. I bet a large sum that most if not all o the operatives in the raid had helmet mounted cameras. From what I've ben told, it's pretty standard procedure, and for perhaps the biggest raid our military has ever performed, I can't imagine that it isn't on video, and from multiple perspectives.
I'll be watching wikileaks.
US troops were yards from Osama bin Laden house in 2008 ? WikiLeaks files
US embassy cables show soldiers were due to perform a routine posting 'training the trainers' of Pakistan's federal military unit
http://www.guardian.co.uk/medi…..en-hideout
He was right by their officer training academy. So that makes sense. It really is like finding Whitey Bulger living in a compound outside the FBI acadamy in Quantico, Virginia in the same neighborhood as two retired Directors of the FBI.
So $3 billion/yr in aid to Pakistan and they probably used some of that money to build this very compound. Hell, it probably had some crappy ADT security system.
A country of 200 million with a $1000 gdp per capita, virulently anti-American, and sitting on piles of nukes, that we helped pay for, now gets to watch us discuss in what specific ways we ignored their sovereignty and shot up a building next to their Military training facilities.
How about we just shut up already?
Gray Ghost
It's crazy. He was literally half a mile from their main military academy, so close that if they had JDAM'd the place to oblivion, they'd have busted up a few buildings there too. And 30 miles from Islamabad and 15 miles from the contested region of Kashmir. Which means India, which aren't they technically still at war with? Also, isn't the immediate area just lousy with the homes of senior Pakistani officials?
All of this is to suggest that, stealth helicopters or not, someone in Pakistan got tipped off about the raid beforehand. At least to tell them that it wasn't the Indians planning any hijinks. Can't you see the Pakistani high command freaking out that India was trying some Pearl Harbor kind of shit and retaliating? That would be embarrassing…
Further, there were reports that the compound was under 24/7 surveillance for the months it took to plan the raid. That takes drones. Satellites can't keep up 24/7. Drones that can orbit the aforementioned 30 miles from the capital with no one noticing. For months. Isn't India supposed to getting started with the whole stealth thing?
(Or people actually on the ground with cameras/uplinks. Which could be unpleasant if they were ratted out before the raid.)
Whole lot of things to feel uncomfortable with, if you're Pakistan. So, either they were partially in on the raid, and just sold out a client who was extremely popular with a large minority in their country. Or they're criminally incompetent at defending their capital. Neither is savory.
From Al Jazeera's bin Laden live blog (there's an obvious joke in there somewhere):
Speaking to Al Jazeera, Robert Fisk, a journalist with the Independent, a UK newspaper, who has interviewed bin Laden, said that people should stop talking about the Inter Services Intelligence (ISI), the Pakistan security forces, as if they were a single entity.
"I called up one of the men I know last night and put it to him, 'look, you know, this house was very big, come on, you must have had had some idea.'
"What he said to me was 'sometimes it's better to survey people than to attack them.'
http://blogs.aljazeera.net/liv…..dens-death
wylie PhD in Obvious Jokes
either they were partially in on the raid, and just sold out a client who was extremely popular with a large minority in their country. Or they're criminally incompetent at defending their capital.
There's a saying that addresses this dichotomy, I forget how it goes….
so much for my PhD:
"Al Jazeera's Laden Been (a)live blog"
It really is like finding Whitey Bulger living in a compound outside the FBI acadamy in Quantico, Virginia
John = funny coincidence-quote by pakistani officials here:
http://www.foreignpolicy.com/a…..a?page=0,2
But in an interview with the Atlantic's Jeffrey Goldberg, Husain Haqqani, Pakistan's loquacious ambassador to Washington, compared the decade-long manhunt for bin Laden with the FBI's fruitless search for Irish mobster Whitey Bolger. "It wouldn't have been possible to get Bin Laden without Pakistan's help," Haqqani argued. "People are piling on this one, but the fact is, it is very plausible for someone to live undetected for long periods of time."
The comparison is *apt*! APT!! (read: Lisa Simpson) He sort of misses the obvious, which is that Whitey wasn't getting found because *the FBI didn't want him found*. Or maybe he was just patting the ISI on the back for a job (mostly) well done?
Isn't the smart money that Whitey's in an unmarked hole at the bottom of some bog near Quincy? Dead men, unlike senior citizen Irish gangsters with a taste for the good life, can be hard to find.
What makes the FBI think he's still alive?
Other than "he's still cashing our checks," of course.
What is their motive?
We know why the Bush gang kept changing the narrative on the Pat Tillman and Jessica Lynch stories.
They just went out and killed him and made a clown out of every moron like you who ran around for eight years yelling Bushpig.
Clown? I am all for killing terrorists.
Just not spending $2 trillion and 4400 US lives to Nation Build in Iraq.
Sure you are shrike. Right up until someone on the other team starts doing it.
I am sure that you were on the Iraq War cheerleading team, John.
You are GOP all the way and you know it.
But I am told you don't exist here!
It's hilarious watching a braindead partisan scumbag like you, shriek, accuse someone else of being partisan.
You're obviously too dumb to know what projection is, but maybe you should go look it up, you hyper redneck moron.
Monkey with Feces?
Tell him what you really think.
That cocksucker* Episiarch adopts my creative insults and turns them on me as somehow clever.
* = one of Episiarch's original insults – but with less emphasis on "original".
Thou wilt be as valiant as the wrathful dove, or most magnanimous mouse.
Hey! Why don't you two homos get a room?
John really is partisan, but so is shrike.
Tulpa
Is projection the new "I know you are but what am I?" retort?
All our trolls love to tu quoque
Corporate Drone
well, everyone does it!
I feel bad now. Is Episiarch…you know…"special?"
Yes – Episiarch has a special chromosome.
Oh shriek, you're so stupidly bad at this that you have to copy my insults. You make this too easy. Tell me about the market, shrieky!
Tell us about the price of gold, Shrike.
I sure hope shrike calls Epi a Bushpig voter.
That would be funny.
iirc we used to make fun of John a lot
Monkey with Feces
We invite comments and request that they be civil and on-topic.
Ha ha ha. Heh heh.
Sagging pole numbers?
"Sagging pole." Tee hee hee.
Jeff P
A dead cult leader, conflictng stories, a hastily disposed-of body, in other words we can expect a Law & Order episode about this in September…
Sam Waterston
*Angrily furrows eyebrows*
*Takes another ADA out on a date*
Masturbatin' Pete
Spoiler Alert: anti-abortion Christians did it.
Bin Laden is dead purple monkey dishwasher.
So what happens if if ten days we learn that Osama bin Laden died seveal years ago? I mean if he got all of those other "operational details" wrong he might have gotten that one wrong as well.
Why should any person, equipped with even a modicum of common sense, believe anything spouted by the state and its army of losers?
The state does not lie 101% of the time. Yes they are untrustworthy in the extreme, but to automatically believe the opposite of what they say is absolute nuttery. Otherwise you end up not even believing the NOIAA time.
Frankly, that different people in the government don't have identical stories hints strongly that it's most likely the truth. Because that's what happens out in the real world.
Absolute nuttery is LM's MO, Buckster. I thought you knew that.
The real world also consists of the reality that if one tends to prevaricate and is "untrustworthy in the extreme", one can hardly be heard to complain that one "does not lie 101 % of the time".
Logic 101:
( Real event ==> stories differ )
<=/=>
( Stories differ ==> real event )
To be fair did they get it wrong or did the dumb ass media get it wrong? Most of the "details" that have come out in the last two days have been from unnamed sources. It is not the Whitehouse's fault that the media will believe anything anyone with a security clearance will tell them. I bet I could have called those dumb asses up and fed them a line of bullshit that ended up on drudge as information from "an unnamed government source".
As taxpayers, aren't we all "an unnamed government source"? (works for revenue, why not information?)
Syd Henderson
Well, if Osama were a zombie, then that explains the head shot and the second bullet. Double tap.
fuck you and fuck-you
you win
prolefeed
Ummm, if he died several years ago, I think the Bush administration would have taken credit for that.
What I like is, after the talking heads were talking all night about how great it was that we have possession of the body so we can prove he's really dead (and of course giving Obama credit for this) — it turns out we don't actually have the body anymore, just some photos of a 40% intact head.
Back when we were a civilized culture Osama's corpse would've been hung in chains for a while (months-year or so). There would be no doubt
Yes, we Harkonnens used to really know how to make a grand public spectacle of our executions. Why, decomposing bodies were a regular fixture on the White House lawn back in those halcyon days.
Well, if they release pictures of something that isn't a skeleton, I guess we'll know. Cuz there's no way the Bush administration had pictures of dead OBL and sat on them.
I think I'll just wait until Oliver Stone's movie, if it's all the same to you people.
"resistance does not require a firearm."
Perhaps Osama was attempting to photograph or videotape the raid.
He is furry enough to be mistaken for a dog…
Hugh Akston
He might have been trying to flush the evidence.
Also his dog was barking.
Also his dog beard was barking.
If you yell STOP RESISTING!! enough, it's OK to shoot people.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_JsYsdQ6o9Y
RyanXXX
This seems like nit-picking and ill serves any cause, least of all Suderman's credibility.
Did we shoot an unarmed person or someone defending themselves with a gun is nit picking?
From the point of view of the vast majority of Americans, when that person is Osama Bin Laden, yes. What planet are you from?
A planet where I don't take the belief of the "vast majority of American's", as pronounced by you, to mean shit. But yeah keep enjoying your hollywood revenge fantasy.
It's all okay cause they lovingly cleansed the cadaver of nits before they dumped it in the sea.
an exit wound in the middle of someones face makes for a difficult photo-op.
Yeah, the difference between "he was shooting back from behind his wife" and "he was unarmed and there may have been a woman in the room" is pretty minor.
If he had a woman in his room, he was armed.
So Carney was nitpicking when he announced these corrections? Yup Suderman definitely lost credibility by relaying Carney's words.
I agree with Max on this. Details on stuff like this are ALWAYS misreported for at least a week.
Now, go suck Ron Paul's cock! God, I love that line.
Now they think it might have been Clyde bin Laden, Osama's layabout brother who coulda been somebody if only he'd applied himself…
Lost_In_Translation
I'll wait a week and see the narrative changes again.
There are focus groups going on right now to help get the story right.
Achtung Coma Baby
Wait, a man who potentially knew the entire internal workings of Al-Qaeda, who was unarmed, and whose only routes of escape was shot dead by expertly-trained SEALs team…and no fucking liberal-besides Michael Moore or Dennis Kucinich-is fucking raising there voice about the intelligence we lost, let alone the murder of an unarmed, dialysis patient?
Fuck!!!! Fuck every goddamn liberal that every fucking complained about Bush but has their lips zipped up with Obama. FUCK 'EM ALL!!!!
I meant to say, "routes of escape were blocked."
Sorry, I can forget things when I'm so FUCKING PISSSED!
Again, if there's a decent CT to this—and there almost certainly isn't one, despite the weird burial at sea thing—then I think it's that UBL got grabbed alive and is currently saying everything he knows in some dungeon.
Where that dungeon is, who knows: either U.S. owned and quiet, in which case Diego Garcia or some other base elsewhere in the MidEast; or in one of the black sites elsewhere. At the end of which, his usefulness being over, he disappears forever. I think prolefeed came up with this one yesterday or day before. No rescue attempt, no bitching about a trial, AQ thinks he's dead and not telling them what he knows: lot of advantages to doing it this way.
OTOH, the U.S. did end up releasing a few renditioned guys that got kidnapped/imprisoned/tortured by mistake. That guy from Macedonia, kidnapped in Germany, comes to mind. And a regime bloodthirsty enough to do that to UBL, probably wouldn't let an innocent go. Probably.
sloopyinca
This would be good, but our government has already said we got a "treasure trove of information" from the hard drives and computer disks. The AQ guys who haven't already holed up in a cave somewhere will be changing their identities/routines based just on this. Anything we get directly from UBL will pale in comparison to what we retrieve from their computers.
Unfortunately, bin Laden had a fairly unexpected password, "penisbaconwhiskylover911," and it's taking the analysts longer than expected to break it.
but our government has already said we got a "treasure trove of information" from the hard drives and computer disks.
The Cover-Story works again.
*Boosh*
Lord Googoo
Police: Minn. man killed stepdaughter for leaving Muslim customs behind
A Coon Rapids man went to suburban Detroit and fatally shot his 20-year-old stepdaughter in the head because she left Minnesota to live with her father and was not adhering to Muslim customs, police said Tuesday.
Rahim A. Alfetlawi, 45, was charged Monday in Warren, Mich., with first-degree premeditated murder and two weapons offenses. Alfetlawi remains jailed without bond.
Alfetlawi is accused of killing Jessica Mokdad with a single gunshot to the head Saturday afternoon as she was in her grandmother's home.
http://www.startribune.com/local/121175819.html
Racist!!!!!!
Can't be true; I have heard it from quite a few reputable sources that not only are teh moozlims recreating the early medieval Caliphate here, but indeed sharia law has already been instituted in Michigan. That being the case, this man will not be charged.
Born-Again Barack
We must support the right of Muslim women to wear the hijab. That's all I have to say about this matter.
Um, bad link? NY Times link goes to opentable.
Not sure how we have 60 comments without anyone noticing.
We don't read. We fling.
Doc S
I don't know you but i like you
Maybe the problem is on your end.
P Brooks
"According to a representative of the Ministry of Truth, further clarifications will be issued as conditions warrant."
Maybe this is the John Kyl "Not-intended-to-be-a-factual-statement" line of reasoning.
fresno dan
OBL was killed during intercourse with a goat. It was mistaken for a wife, as it was better looking than all the humans on the premises. The goat was under age, but this information was not released out of respect for the Muslim religion and the powerful goat voting block.
There was also a crapload of weed present, and it was peremptorily smoked to prevent it from falling into the hands of the children…
It was mistaken for a wife, as it was better looking than all the humans on the premises.
Pics or it didn't happen. *preparing my bunk*
Pakistani mountain goat
I'm safe now.
Orgazmo the Flying Chimp
@OsamaInHell Had I known they were going to release my photo, I would have manscaped.
JSOC acted before Barack"Hussein" Obama could warn his Muslim pals in Pock-ee-stohn.
The Kenyan-in-Chief tried to call 'em back so they wrecked a chopper to remind him of what happened to Jimmy Carter
Alice Bowie
I believe the US always knew where he was (if that was even bin laden that they killed sunday).
Here are the points that bother me.
1. Bin laden denied involvement in the 9/11/2001 attack. He's probably the 1st islamo-terrorist to ever do so. In fact, the entire point is to say "IT WAS US". In fact, during the antifada in Israel, multiple so-called islamo-terrorist would take credit for bombings in Tel Aviv.
2. They killed Bin Laden and threw his body in the river because of
A. No country wanted his body
B. Comply with Islamic law (lol)
C. Not to build a shrine
Points A and B are laughable at best. Point C is the best. I think there's nothing more that the CIA would want than a central location to photograph Al Qada pilgrims.
There's something fishy here. And, skeptics like myself are always looked at like weirdos. That we believe that the entire operation didn't happen. I don't doubt that there was a swat-team raid that killed people. And, it may well be that the killed Bin Laden.
Bin Laden's Ghost has been used for the procurement scam committed by the ex-ceo of Halliburton and others. He was either killed in late 2001 and we've had a phony stand in or he was actually still alive (and not really a threat) and we knew where he was all of the time.
I think the US is truly running out of money and needed to show show form of victory before bailing from the Middle east.
From your lips to God's ear.
Trespassers W
skeptics like myself are always looked at like weirdos
That's not why you're looked at like you're a weirdo.
Night Elf Mohawk
3. The flag moved and there is no wind on the moon.
I think the really funny thing is how the botched details appear to have been born of competing impulses:
1. The impulse to make the raid seem really badass = the story that bin Laden was firing
2. The impulse to make Osama seem like a coward and a clown = the story that he used his wife as a human shield.
The two stories don't merge well.
If you're evil it is badass to use your wife as a human shield.
Fluffy, please correct me if I am misrepresenting what you posted yesterday, but it appeared as if you were okay with taking OBL out in the manner he was allegedly killed.
I just don't see how libertarianism can ever be compatible with a nation state invading foreign territory for the purpose of murdering ANYBODY.
First, as you know, libertarianism, itself, is hardly compatible with the existence of any state as the state, in order to survive, must piss all over the non-aggression principle. We all know that if a state had to compete with private entities to provide roads, water, defense, etc, it would soon vanish without the ability to steal and uniform countless numbers of losers to serve as its goons.
Even if one buys the government conspiracy theory that OBL and Al Kaline were behind the 9/11 attacks, by what stretch of libertarian philosophy can a libertarian justify the deliberate murder perpetrated by the state in a foreign land without the consent of said foreign land and under the cover of darkness?
The non-agression priniciple does not permit a nation state to hunt down and kill individuals anywhere else in the world just because it believes the individuals were responsible for mass murder. By that logic, the Pakistanis would be justified in taking out the mass murderer in the White House.
The non-agression priniciple does not permit a nation state to hunt down and kill individuals anywhere else in the world just because it believes the individuals were responsible for mass murder.
The individual does not have a monopoly on violence.
I thought that it was Rocky Colavito that helped Bin Laden plan 9/11. Huh.
He was a pretty good ballplayer from what I have heard. Not as good as Kaline though.
It's quite simple, Mike.
Say I snuck my way into Pakistan PERSONALLY, and busted into Osama's house.
And Osama tries to fuck with me and run away, or have his guards shoot me.
Can I kill Osama? Personally?
I say yes.
That means I can delegate that right to another.
I officially delegate my personal "kill Osama" right to Obama and to the Navy SEALs.
So it's all good.
Whoa whoa whoa. That would be trespassing, and last I knew trespassers have no right to resist the property owner enforcing his property rights and/or defending himself.
$20 million reward, dead or alive. Entering Osama's pad to kill him is just like grabbing a bail jumper.
The collateral damage prob isn't covered under common law but who in the USA would indict?
So, in anarcho-utopia, when a guy murders your family and runs off to the mountains halfway around the world, you just deal? Capture him and personally take him back for some sort of anarchist trial?
Or do you find his ass and kill him?
Vendetta bitchez! Kill his son's first (or if a matrilineal society, his daughters)
I pine for anarchotopia. Mostly just to see how bad it pisses off the utilitarian minarchists.
crossofcrimson
You capture him and bring him before arbitration hopefully…and doing it without using hundreds of billions of dollars of other peoples' money against their will and killing tens of thousands of innocents would be nice too.
I doubt he is alive but I also impugn that they would dump the body without an autopsy. Muslim, or not, a hell of a lot of info comes from a vivisection
A reference to torture but I also wrote a blog about it
You have a blog? I thought those were just for like famous people and scientists and shit.
You know, it's possible that we didn't even shoot him. He might have just told one of his guards to do it when he saw the number of SEALs coming for his ass, to avoid capture. Of course we would claim it was one of our guys – it's a better story.
I don't think we would just point-blank execute him. He'd be an information goldmine
Also, that would explain his lack of a gun. I doubt he would just be walking around unarmed or cowering in a corner during a firefight.
*Puts on conspiracy theorist hat*
Or the SEALs did execute him under orders to avoid Osama making any embarrassing revelations, openly or in secret.
Atanarjuat
Cowering in a corner isn't that unlikely, he was a sick old fuck who was probably caught off guard.
He was a trust-fund kid who decided to leave his life of luxury to fight the friggin' Red Army, and then offered to fight Saddam Hussein in Kuwait. Not someone I'd call a pussy
CSI: Abbottabad
We're on it, we're retrieving the bullets from the cadaver.
Red Rocks Rockin
No kidding. I find it hard to believe the CIA spooks weren't itching to waterboard him like crazy.
So now there's a new narrative? Quelle suprise! The half-dead dialysis patient/terrorist might not have used his wife as a human shield and might not have been firing at the SEAL team. And even if he wasn't armed, he still resisted arrest capture which means shooting him in the face is perfectly justified.
Let's assume, for the moment, that no bad faith was involved…
WHERE'S THE DAMN BODY?
why do you need to see the body? 😉
Because if I guess right, I win my play-by-email game of Clue.
Rather killed Mr. Bin Laden in the Compound with the Poopy.
Coward who sucks Sugarfree dick-I wouldn't use my real name either
Rather, your dick just doesn't do anything for me. Just because it's shaped like a Dorito doesn't mean you should go waving it around on your blog.
Coward, anyone who sucks Sugarfree's dick wouldn't know a vagina even if he was climbing out of it.
rather retarded
UH!
That blog post was probably the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this thread is now dumber for having read to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
Fuck you and your fucking god
Asshole you are wrong and reason.com 3,146 hits prove it
shep the herd & his brass band
you been trolled by a quote from "Billy Madison"
sorry, I have never seen any stupid Sandler movie-I'm not brain damaged or male
Well, you're only half right. You sure as hell aren't male.
Also, tricking poor unsuspecting souls into clicking on your link doesn't mean you have anything insightful to say, nor does it mean your blog is popular. The raw number of clicks has nothing to say about how long they stuck around (before vomiting), how much of your material they read (before vomiting), or any other useful metric (such as how many people stick around without vomiting).
I'm fairly certain that if you measured the last metric, it would be right around zero.
Everyone loves my blog but many of their workplaces block it.
Yeah, but, come on, who DOESN'T like scantily clad women? That's like fishing with dynamite.
FUCK YOU SMALL DICK! PEOPLE VISIT MY BLOG! HERE'S A NUMBER I MADE UP TO PROVE IT! GRRR ITCHY VAGINA!
Soviet Ambassador
Somewhere in the area of the Grand Banks.
He's in Coon Rapids!
Who said he was shot in the face? The head also has a back and fleeing could be considered resisting capture.
:above the left eye
i guess i did hear that there were facial recognition tests performed
Whole thing sounds like some swat team trying to get their stories straight after one of those "isolated incidents."
Actually, I never believed Bush's lies about Iraq. But I believed the French, the UN, the Clinton Admin, John Kerry, M. Albright, Tony Blair, the Joooos and the Dead Kurds when they said Saddam had WMD. Who knew T. Blair was a GOP member? Did Bush I carry Najaf over Clinton in '92? I can't remember.
Yellowcake. I mean, you know how partisan MSNBC is toward Conservatives. Will Olbermann ever stop loving Cheney? Here's the headline: "Secret U.S. mission hauls uranium from Iraq
Last major stockpile from Saddam's nuclear efforts arrives in Canada"
Link: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25546334/
Anyway, Shrike, be well.
Oh, and Bin Laden was not a kidney patient. Sheesh. And no, Tommy from Life Cereal didn't die from Pop Rocks inhalation.
dunphy
hey, black bush on dave chappelle even said "motherfucker got YELLOWCAKE"
that was enough for me!
Mikey.
If Obama were an Evil Overlord, his minions would've killed bin Laden pretty much as it appears to have happened, but they also would've used a more prominent figure as the human shield. . .one who was unfortunately killed in the firefight: George W. Bush. Or maybe Dick Cheney. Either way, solidifying Obama's Evil Overlord grip on the presidency.
this is the same government that received an award for openness in government at a closed ceremony?
colour me shocked.
I think most True Libertarians are missing the point here.
Was this a no-knock raid? Maybe it was another Osama bin Laden who got killed. All that aluminum nitrate in the bathtub! That's not illegal in Pakistan, is it? And that doesn't prove a thing. No, sir, not a thing!
Any dogs accidentally shot? Huh? That's what we should be concentrating on.
And how many homosexuals carried out the raid? I mean, that number better be directly proportional to the population of West Hollywood.
Fuck! It wasn't even OBL's compound. It was OBL's Compassionate Caregivers– Osama Bin Lightin'– Pakistan's first Medical Marijuana Collective.
The US Military took down a Medical Marijuana collective and its Islamic owner!
No dogs were killed.
A woman lead the charge.
A Muslim SEAL fired the shots
They "Mirandized" Osama
A Hispanic Dumped the body
A Jew said the final prayer.
No Atheists Were Invited
i lol'd
Just another police-state hit, murdering an unarmed man. Of course, he most likely deserved to die, but where's the honor or the courage or the necessity in shooting him dead? Giving even the worst criminals some form of trial before executing them is what separates a civilized society from a primitive one. What has happened to the USA, that people celebrate acts like this and condone the government carrying them out?
I very much doubt that there was ever a time in American history (or the history of any country, anywhere, ever), where a mass murderer getting clipped wouldn't be celebrated.
A civilized society would've hung him in chains
So, what are there options?
Stick with the official story to avoid embarrassment. Or avoid announcing historical news until they had all the depositions and videos lined up. Or just never tell us anything besides 'Osama is dead. The rest is Top Secret.'
Eh. I'd rather have to sift through the fog of bullshit as long as the main thrust of it is true.
ICGAMBLERS
I think OBL was real upset about the tornadoes that struck the U.S. because they had done more damage to this country than he ever did. Boy how those whirly-clouds really pissed off that man. The only thing he could do to be more powerful than nature was to kill him self.
I'm waiting for the OBL porn video to be leaked. Rule 34
Chief WarPig Obama
I got one photo with me holding Bin Laden's lopped-off head! Top that, BushPigs! OBAMA 2012.
BushyPig ObamyPig.
I loved Hyperion (the novel) and am sick of the shrike guy on here. Though he does cause a lot of pain amongst readers here so that is consistent I suppose.
I tried it and it works – thanks a million!
Kermit the Friggin Frog
By failing to get basic who, what, and where information right the first time around, the administration has undermined its own credibility…
Credibility? When was the last time the Obama team could be accused of having any?
Somehow this whole story line sounds fishy, on the one hand. "We shot him, dumped his dead ass in the ocean, and that's that." No evidence offered.
On the other hand, when was the last time the Obama team could be accused of having even worried about their credibility? They decided to bomb Libya because well, hey man they just decided to Just Do It. You know, like the t-shirt says.
Which is why I have to believe the official story probably isn't too far from what actually happened.
Unless they really did drag him away to some dungeon so they could torture whatever info they could out of his carcass.
This is the West. Telling people this is what you did just isn't going to fly.
OTOH, it's unlikely OBL has been dead for years, or anything like that. If it was true then AQ would know and they would certainly expose the US for lies.
So whether he's dead or in a dungeon, they got him.
Sadly, Balko was right. If you look at how this nation has changed over the past decade, I'd have to say the terrorists won. Whether the end result is exactly what they intended or not.
R Mendenhall #34
What kind of person celebrates death? It's amazing how people can HATE a man they have never even heard speak. We've only heard one side, I'm not convinced he was even behind the attacks we have really seen no evidence to prove it other than the gov telling us. We'll never know what really happened. I just have a hard time believing a plane could take a skyscraper down demolition style.
For those of you who said you want to see Bin Laden burn in hell … I ask how would God feel about your heart?
Xenocles
Also, the NFL is exactly like slavery.
Independent Source
What do you mean by "independent reports"? Would you call yourself independent? Who is providing independent reports on a covert operation? Who saw it first hand? Listen, Obama makes plenty of dumb moves. Plenty. This time, he got it right. The details of this story; armed/not armed; wife/not wife; etc., are not important. Bin Laden = dead. That's all we need to know. I don't care if he they woke him up, he surrendered, and then they shot him in the head multiple times. I still like the fact that he's dead. The small details are not of consequence. Get over it. Obama finally got one right. It's ok. He'll screw up again, soon enough.
B-man
Nobody lied to the Americna people and the press more than George W Bush, who was a DOUBLE FAIL as president. He allowed the worst attack on American soil to occur on his watch. Then he failed to catch the perpetrator. Bush will go down in history as a loser who failed at everything he ever tried. He let this country down by allowing it to be attacked by our enemies, then he destroyed the auto industry, the banking industry, the home mortgage industry, etc. etc. etc. which started a globel economic recession.
This is very interesting. May or may not be true. You'll have to decide for yourselves. Just keep your eyes open and balance the whole thing.


How to Balance Your Left and Right Brain…and Get it Together!
The 80/20 rule will change your business and your life. You don't have to be an economist to be a believer. In the early 1900s, Italian economist Vilfredo Pareto observed that 80 percent of income in Italy was received by 20 percent of the Italian population. The rule simply states that, for many events, 80 percent of the effects come from 20 percent of the causes.
The 80/20 rule applies to many things; for example, 80 percent of your sales come from 20 percent of your clients and 20 percent of the population has 80 percent of the wealth.
The rule also applies to professional photographers. Only 20 percent of our business involves shooting photographs; the other 80 percent is spent running our business. Email, editing, bridal shows, sales calls, client care, bookkeeping, and marketing are just some of the tasks that can start to overwhelm us.
You log in to Facebook and there is a status update from friends (who were once clients) saying they've added to their family with the arrival of a new child. To your surprise and sadness, they are posting photos of their little one taken by a large retail chain. Washed backdrops and cheesy props don't match the quality of their wedding photos.
What's a couple to do when the cost of living is significantly increased by the arrival of a new mouth to feed, future plans for college, and don't forget diapers! Grandma & Grandpa aren't footing the bill for the rest of their lives; they gave up that luxury at the altar.
Years ago I found myself sitting at a conference listening to the speakers who had amazing ideas and instead of soaking up these great ideas, I was thinking about every small tasks I had to accomplish immediately when I got home. I was listening to their big business ideas, I was taking notes but somehow it wasn't all getting through, it wasn't sticking. The things they were saying had my gears turning, but my brain couldn't organize these ideas quickly enough to formulate an execution plan. I was instead, creating more mess for my brain to filter. It was feeling like it needed a really long vacation not 100 more "to do's" rolling around.


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The future of the Historic Orpington Priory
28 January 2017 - Orpington Priory Community Hub (OPCH) is continuing with their plans for events at The Priory and gardens and also in the wider Orpington area. In view of their new wider remit, there will be a name change. OPCH plans to set up a community information centre - there is not currently one in the borough of Bromley. Sally Pennington will be providing more information on this at the Orpington Tweet Up on Monday 13 February - ALL WELCOME.
November 2016 - V22, a company specialising in offering artists' studio space and contemporary art exhibitions, has been awarded a 125 year lease to manage Orpington Priory. They have stated that they are committed to working with the community, so Orpington residents hope this will be the beginning of a new lease of life for this wonderful historic building, to attract more visitors to our town which has been sadly neglected by Bromley Council in recent years. (See Orpington 1st article and Biggin Hill News)
The BID (Business Improvement District) company, Orpington 1st has worked hard to help regeneration in the town centre and we now have a new 7-screen Odeon cinema and the first hotel, Premier Inn, both in the Walnuts Shopping Centre, at the heart of the high street. Perhaps now there will be non-resident visitors to our town, who want to enjoy more than just a night in a hotel bedroom.
Next to Orpington Station we have the small but very interesting Crofton Roman Villa and Orpington Priory (Grade II* listed) and its historic Gardens (Grade II listed) lie at the other end of the high street, Over the past few years we have seen dramatic developments, swinging from Bromley Council withdrawing from Lottery Heritage funding to refurbish the Priory to the widely disliked decision to sell the building to all-comers. We finallyseem to have arrived at an acceptable compromise, whereby the Council retain ownership of the building, thereby giving it some protection against destruction, whilst still providing the possibility of community access and opportunities for local groups to use the building and create a heritage offering.
We need to remain optimistic and ensure that community groups (particularly OPCH) engage positively with V22 going forward.
For the most up to date information, visit the Orpington Priory Community Hub website
Orpington Priory Community Hub is the official charitable trust registered at Companies House - 9 Trustees appointed - a group of local people with a passion to preserve The Priory as a community asset for the health, wellbeing & enjoyment of all
To Get Involved or Provide Professional support, visit the Orpington Priory Facebook page or follow on Twitter:
OR Email: info@OrpingtonPrioryCommunityHub.org.uk
For more historical information about this project, see below and also GSG Village Society Blog
Sally Pennington, Chair of OPCH, confirmed that Bromley Council has accepted OPCH as a group with a right to bid for the Priory. This has automatically invoked the remainder of the 6 month moratorium period giving the charitable trust until the 20th May to submit a business plan. The council may not sell the property during this period.
The 9 newly appointed trustees of the Orpington Priory Community Hub were introduced to local residents at a meeting at the Coronation Hall in St Mary Cray on 10 December:
Rebecca Birs - owner of the Croft tea rooms
David Mc Bride - Deputy Head teacher, ex councillor and Mayor of Bromley and Magistrate
Sharon Baldwin - executive director of Orpington 1st (Business Improvement District)
Nicky Burstow - Goff, Business Development & Finance Manager
Eric Johnstone - Chairman of Dartford Symphony Orchestra
Lee Regan - Events Manager, the Architectural Association
Dr. Luke Beattie - Founder of the Hotspur Theatre Company
Nicola Blake - RIBA architect
Sally Pennington - member of the Orpington priory Regeneration group steering committee
Orpington Priory Community Hub was officially registered as a charitable trust at Companies House on 15 December.
The following development groups have been set up to progress various aspects of the project:
Public Relations & Events
Buildings & Infrastructure
Anyone interested in volunteering to assist on any of these groups should contact Sally Pennington - email: sfp1351@gmail.com
OPRP Steering Group are interviewing Trustees this week in order to set up the charitable trust. The calibre of applicants is extremely high and with diverse skills and backgrounds.
New petition created - to show support for a community-led solution for Regeneration of Orpington Priory as an historic civic landmark for the local community - please sign now!
A charitable trust will be set up to recruit and oversee the management team which will run The Priory. If you are interested in becoming a trustee, please email, giving your contact details and relevant experience and skills. You can find out more about being a Trustee on the Charity Commission website: www.gov.uk/topic/running-charity
If you are interested in hiring rooms, have a look at our plans for the future of The Priory and let us know what your requirements would be - size of room, frequency of use, other facilities. Email your interest to OrpingtonCommunity@yahoo.co.uk or sfp1351@gmail.com.
Bromley Council has made the decision to offer The Priory for sale on the open market on a long lease. Decision dated 23 Oct 2015
OPRP members attended Executive & Resources Policy Development & Scrutiny Committee 8 October, where the recommendation for the sale of the building (either freehold or with a long lease) was agreed. Community-led proposals will be considered and the Committee supported the suggestion of providing the opportunity for a temporary lease allowing use of the building to test demand for room hire and events, during the 6-month sale procedure.
Sam Webber's letter to the News Shopper hits the nail on the head regarding the Council's apparent attitude to anything not Bromley, despite the area of Orpington (the prior Orpington Urban District Council) constituting nearly half the borough:
On the day Bromley Museum closed its doors at The Priory forever, there was more than usual interest. Orpington District Archaeological Society had a number of publications on local history on sale and made numerous sales. Many visitors had never been to The Priory before and had been unaware of its and the Museum's existence. It really is a pity that on the day of the Museum's closure people flocked to see what they had been missing and were sad to learn of its demise. It merely emphasises how important good signage and marketing are in order to promote a valuable community asset and ensure that least residents are aware of the cultural assets in their local area.
Margot Rohan - Orpington Community Click here to see the 26 Museum posters which were displayed
See 'Squirrels at The Priory' video Londonist article June 2015
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20 July 2015 - Some views of The Priory which would be lost to the public if the building falls into private ownership
Read the Outline Proposal and download the Vision leaflet here and let us have your comments.
30 May 2015 (Article now posted on the Orpington 1st website - thanks to Chris Travers at the website)
#SaveTheOrpPriory Campaign Group submit Outline Proposal to Bromley Council
The campaign group is working on developing a sustainable business plan for the future of The Priory. An outline proposal has been sent to the Council in the hope it will inform the debate on the Bromley Museum and The Priory item on the agenda for the Executive on 10 June.
At the 11 February Executive, the Leader of the Council, Stephen Carr, announced that, due to public outcry, as evidenced by the 1,600 signatures collected by an e-petition within a week, the Council's decision on the future of Bromley Museum and The Priory was being deferred, pending further consultation.
The agenda for the Executive on 10 June includes an officer's report which has four recommendations, two of which are:
The cessation of the museum service at the Priory, Orpington, and the provision of new museum exhibitions at Central Library, Bromley, managed by Local Studies and Archives;
The Priory is declared surplus to operational requirements with effect from 1 October 2015 and, subject to further work by Strategic Property Services on other Council uses for the building, authority is given to offer the property for sale on the open market.
Although the report acknowledges that 'there is a strong desire by some people to see the building used by the community as a museum/arts facility', it seems biased towards selling The Priory, unless other Council uses can be found. There is a lack of confidence in the capability of the community to develop a sustainable business plan, when there is a wealth of talent and experience which can be utilised to achieve a viable solution, including business experience that officers in the Council do not have.
For consultation meetings, the Council insisted on splitting the campaign group into factions:
Business (Orpington 1st)
History (Bromley Heritage & Arts Forum, an umbrella organisation for local history, arts and heritage societies)
Education (representatives from local schools)
Community ('Orpington Community' (Margot Rohan), Friends of The Priory & Gardens, local residents' associations and some individual residents)
An outline proposal for the future of The Priory and the latest e-petition stats (2679 Bromley borough residents) have been sent to Bromley Council from the #SaveTheOrpPriory campaign group, in the hope that they will inform the debate at the Executive on 10 June.
But will Bromley Councillors ignore Orpington residents' (and others') indignation at their assumption that the community cannot find appropriately experienced people to take over management of The Priory? Or will they take on board that the population represents ONE THIRD of the borough and local opinions should be taken into consideration more seriously?
Bromley is not the centre of the universe of this borough. Orpington has been sadly neglected for too many years and local residents are fed up with the area being decimated and dismissed as an unimportant town in the borough. It will rise like the Phoenix - Orpington deserves better.
Orpington1st, the BID (Business Improvement District) company, is working stoically to regenerate and improve the town centre. Residents should show their support and pride in the town.
There are myriad examples of successful regeneration of old and listed buildings for use as museums, heritage centres, wedding venues, conference and function rooms and other activities which allow community access and proper maintenance. Below are links to the websites of some of them:
Examples of successful regeneration of old buildings around the UK:
Dyrham Park
A 17th century example of a successfully regenerated building near Bath. It is currently undergoing major roof repairs but remaining open to the public who can partake of a roofwalk.
Kevington Hall
Now privately owned, this 18th century house in St Mary Cray has been diligently restored and is available for conducted group tours – and sometimes for private functions – by arrangement. It is also usually one of the delights of the Open House London weekend.
Pendle Heritage Centre
near Burnley, Lancashire
This historic farmhouse at Barrowford is a Grade II listed building, dating from 1461. It is used as local history museum, with cottage and 18th century historic gardens. It is part of the Heritage Trust for the North West established in 1977.
Fleur de Lis Heritage Centre
Faversham, Kent
At 10-13 Preston Street, Faversham, it incorporates a local history museum, visitor information centre and heritage bookshop (but there are no refreshment facilities). It is part of the Faversham Society, a charity and company limited by guarantee, formed in 1962.
The Alexander Centre
An impressive Victorian building at 15-17 Preston Street, it is used for local business and leisure activities, weddings, training courses, classes, fairs and support groups. It also includes Swale Council customer services. It was a government asset transfer in 2010 and is managed by a CIC trust.
Lytham Heritage Centre
A Victorian Grade II listed building, this was originally built in 1899 for the Manchester and County Bank and later used by the Trustees Savings Bank. It is now an exhibition centre, managed by an educational charity which was established in 1987.