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Re: Let's Talk Ancient Aliens Theory
Post by Blacksamwell » Wed Dec 08, 2010 6:18 pm
matripley wrote: I dont see the reasoning.
Yes, that's certainly clear.
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Post by matripley » Wed Dec 08, 2010 6:40 pm
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Ahhhh, I see the ego in the ergo;)
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Post by Laz » Thu Dec 09, 2010 7:52 am
It may seem the thing to make fun of the theory, but at least someone had an idea and put it forth- can't be afraid of new ideas or thinking, and the critism is not proof that destroys the theory either. I am not subscribing to it, but I think it is important to consider new ideas with an open mind and not condemn the messenger too harshly either.
Post by matripley » Thu Dec 09, 2010 3:08 pm
Interestingly, I just read this inb The Register:
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/12/09 ... ilisation/
From the journal Current Anthropology (University of Chicago).
The evidence gets more and more compelling in the confirmation of ancient civilizations, rather than less.
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Post by corymaylett » Thu Dec 09, 2010 5:04 pm
The reference in the Register's subhead about "Garden of Eden refugees" left me doubtful, but it appears to be just a poor choice of words made by the Register. Here's a link to the actual press release: http://www.journals.uchicago.edu/doi/st ... 12.06.3119" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;. It would be nice to read the actual paper, but it's locked behind a password.
The Persian Gulf is shallow and likely would have been a dry extension of Mesopotamia during the last ice age. I see no reason to doubt that early humans occupied the area. Associating the now-submerged area with the origin of Biblical myths (as some media outlets are doing) is interesting speculation, but I see little evidence to support a connection.
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Post by Bunyip » Fri Dec 10, 2010 12:59 am
Associating the now-submerged area with the origin of Biblical myths (as some media outlets are doing) is interesting speculation, but I see little evidence to support a connection.
Flood myths are widespread. The Noah myth is probably Sumerian. It's likely that at least some flood myths contain folk memories of one or more catastrophic floods. I've seen no evidence that such evens were global.
As for dismissing "God is an alien" theories out of hand: as Carl Sagan said "extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence".So far there is not only no extraordinary evidence,there is no evidence at all.,
In 1968.Erich Von Daniken wrote a series of unintentionally hilarious books,beginning with "Chariots of the Gods" which was where I first came across the Piri Reis map. Von Daniken spawned an industry of similar books throughout the1970's. I read about a dozen. After a while ,they began quoting each other. Most make some startling claims about the Piri Reis map.The claims have been thoroughly debunked over several decades.
That's why I feel free to dismiss the claims made here.To me it's just one of the same crackpot fringe notions resurrected every few years by a new crop of gullible autodidacts.. (same flavour as the claims associated with Dan Brown's 'The Da Vinci Code')
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Post by Laurens » Sun Dec 12, 2010 1:01 pm
Laz wrote: It may seem the thing to make fun of the theory, but at least someone had an idea and put it forth- can't be afraid of new ideas or thinking, and the critism is not proof that destroys the theory either. I am not subscribing to it, but I think it is important to consider new ideas with an open mind and not condemn the messenger too harshly either.
Not every idea is a good one though. I can tell right off the bat that giant pink bunnies from Neptune creating the pyramids is absurd. Why? Because it is raising more questions than it answers.
The same applies to the ancient aliens theory. It might provide (for some) a satisfactory explanation for how the pyramids were built and so on. However that explanation makes too many assumptions; that there are advanced forms of life, that they are able to travel to our solar system, that they would have wanted to interact with us etc.
I find the explanation that humans did it far more satisfactory because we know humans exist, we know humans like to build large ceremonial buildings, and we can speculate as to how they built them. That explanation works, without having to introduce anything that requires further explanation.
I think I would be justified in rejecting the ancient aliens theory as being no less absurd than my pink bunnies theory, until adequate evidence was provided.
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matripley wrote: Interestingly, I just read this inb The Register:
Ancient civilization ≠ Alien intervention
Post by matripley » Sun Dec 12, 2010 2:15 pm
Laurens wrote: However
Oh absolutely! I don't see any rational connection between the two.
matripley wrote:
Indeed, and I think saying aliens helped us achieve civilization is a bit of an insult to our intelligence and ingenuity as a species. People seem to think that because these people lived a long time ago they cannot possibly have been capable of engineering great cities and civilizations for some reason.
Post by Blacksamwell » Sun Dec 12, 2010 4:38 pm
matripley wrote: The evidence gets more and more compelling in the confirmation of ancient civilizations, rather than less.
Yet still no evidence that any ancient civilization knew of Antarctica's coastline and passed that knowledge along.
Post by Gord » Sun Dec 12, 2010 6:33 pm
Laurens wrote: ...we can speculate as to how they built them.
We can also investigate. We have their tools, we have the sources of their building materials, we have the graves and bones of the workers, and we have inscriptions showing how they did things.
It's bizarre to see people trying to put reality and fantasy together: Space aliens travelled here, then used rocks and copper tools to laboriously quarry and shape rough stones, drag them long distances, load them onto simple ships, gather them together and stack them into religiously-significant constructs, all using human labourers. With such stunningly advanced technology, those space aliens must have hitchhiked here.
I used the word speculate because, as far as I'm aware, we aren't entirely sure as to the system of ramps used, I believe there are several ideas about how they aligned them etc.
Even the exposed inner blocks of stone bear the marks of human origin, they look rushed and hastily shaped, rather than neatly finished like the outer layer.
The pyramids bear all the evidence of their human origin. No one has found any space age tools, or alien bones around there. I think pretty much all the aliens building the pyramids theory is based on is this reasoning: Wow the pyramids are big! How did they build those? Whoa look! That completely unrelated painting looks a bit like a space man... Oh my God - that means Aliens built them!!
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Post by Parrot » Tue Dec 14, 2010 2:28 pm
The problem there is that you don't have any criteria for rejecting some parts of the map and accepting others.
I agree, it is a problem. But it is a problem in both directions of proof...
Well, not really. It's only a problem for the people who are trying to convince people that these maps represent ancient knowledge of Antarctica. The burden of proof is on them.
When looking at ancient documents, you can't just accept the parts that you want to because they fit with your theory and reject everything else.
I think my Hamlet analogy shows the error of this. To recap, if we find an ancient document containing parts of hamlet amidst parts clearly not hamlet we still have an unexplained mystery.
Certainly if we were to find an ancient document that contains the lines "To be, or not to be: that is the question: Whether 'tis nobler in the mind to suffer The slings and arrows of outrageous fortune, Or to take arms against... " before tapering off into something that's different from the Hamlet script, that's definitely evidence that there's something strange going on there.
But if you just see some elements that are kind of similar, like a story in which some guy plots revenge against his uncle, then that's not very compelling evidence.
The problem is that in the case of these maps you don't have any really good compelling matches. You just have a bunch of general similarities. In essence, here we're finding a bunch of stories where a guy plots revenge against his uncle and shouting "HAMLET!".
I personally haven't seen any supposed match up that lines up strongly enough with any actual feature of Antarctica
to be convincing on the same level as a word for word recounting of Hamlet would be. But perhaps I haven't seen the most compelling pieces of evidence, so I'm open to being shown something that will blow my mind.
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Post by OlegTheBatty » Tue Dec 14, 2010 3:16 pm
Parrot wrote: Certainly if we were to find an ancient document that contains the lines "To be, or not to be: that is the question: Whether 'tis nobler in the mind to suffer The slings and arrows of outrageous fortune, Or to take arms against... " before tapering off into something that's different from the Hamlet script, that's definitely evidence that there's something strange going on there.
What we actually have is like taking the bolded words above and claiming we have a match to Shakespeare.
Post by matripley » Tue Dec 14, 2010 10:29 pm
Hey Parrot
Parrot wrote:
matripley wrote: I agree, it is a problem. But it is a problem in both directions of proof...
I see what you are saying, but I think we need to be careful about the way react to claims we consider absurd or false.
We should be skeptics, not naysayers. Sometimes we must be emphatic naysayers, for example when there are exploitative claims made in the name of bad science, such as homeopathy or holographic soul-enemas.
These are hypotheses not bold claims of medial bogusity, why do they need to bear the burden of proof? Why cant it just be a point for debate not ridicule and agression? I dont think there is any essential deception going on with many people who believe (for reasons that are rational based on their understanding of the evidence they are pursuaded by.) A very different breed to those who lie and create what is essentially deceptive propaganda, such as woopeddlers or spiritualist dead-speakers.
By the way I don't think you come pover like this on your blog posts, or in this thread, I am referring to the general observation that all unorthodox theories are treated by skeptics with the same derision as the lowest of the charlatan hoaxers.
Exactly. And in that case we would have a metric in case. we could say 3.5% of the information in the old and new documents correlates. We could then decide if this is enough to say, this is almost certainly enough not for it to be a fluke, something strange is afoot.
What we would need is a metric to quantify the similarities between the maps and the underice. Then, again we could decide.
But we dont have that here, so I think the cynics are not really justified in their cynicism, but that's my opinion. I invite it to be changed:)
Your argument of the australia overlay is probably the best evidence against this. But all it is saying is that its not statistically that unlikley, in a comparative sense. You could probably get matches with many islands, I didn't really see this until i saw the overlay.
But still, it disconfirms one aspect of the thesis, rather than refuiting it. in the same sense as that a river on the map correlating with a river feature under the ice would also confirm it in the positive.
But if you just see some elements that are kind of similar, like a story in which some guy plots revenge against his uncle, then that's not very compelling evidence
Sure, that is a marco scale correlation inst it. There are only a few elements at that level, humans, families, siblings so i would imagine the hamlet plot is probabablistically unexceptional. if we had direct quotes, as you stated, it would be something signifigant. I mean lordy, look at how excited bible coders get when they can prove that the bible contains the name of <insert famous political leader here>.
A ten word phrase would be huge I reckon!:)
Sure, but that is just your opinion, rather than an independent metric. We would not need opinions with a "hamlet match", we would say "We have a 56% match! Gandalf!!"
My opinoon is actually pretty close to yourse now. But i wouldnt say for sure until I had something more clear than my viewpoint.
But perhaps I haven't seen the most compelling pieces of evidence, so I'm open to being shown something that will blow my mind.
There is heaps of evidence that gets shunted around the internet but never into the mainstream media or academia. It might be rubbish evidence, but we wont know for sure because of the swamp of ridicule that must be crossed to engage openelly and rationally with the evidence and theories.
Why do you think it is considered so crazy to discuss the possibility of ancient civilizations?
Could it be that it is asking science to think about a time before the Bible and outside of its areas? Might that at least be an influence? It's all worth considering!:)
Post by Blacksamwell » Wed Dec 15, 2010 2:31 am
matripley wrote: [...]It's all worth considering!:)
Evidence is worth considering.
The rest is conjecture without support. Not something that you'd base any conclusions on.
Of course, I have neither said nor implied otherwise. And yet you seem to have succumbed to conjecture and speculation when you rule out or ridicule ancient civilization theories with an equal lack of evidence.
Do you have evidence there were no ancient civilizations that we are unaware of?
I am sure, like me, you have evidence against homeopathy and 911 faqlse flag theories, but what of the claim that there was an ancient civilization that existed before the sea level rose n100 meters 10,000 years ago? etc
To be a true skeptical thinker, rather than a naysayer or cynic, you need to doubt your own doubts, especially when you are without evidence or dis-confirmation, as is the case here.
Not at all. I merely note that there's no evidence to support any conjecture that the PR map is the result of ancient human knowledge or alien knowledge.
matripley wrote: Do you have evidence there were no ancient civilizations that we are unaware of?
That would involve proving a negative. You should know that it's not possible to do. I'm not even attempting such a thing.
matripley wrote: I am sure, like me, you have evidence against homeopathy and 911 faqlse flag theories, but what of the claim that there was an ancient civilization that existed before the sea level rose n100 meters 10,000 years ago? etc
Evidence for ancient civilizations is not evidence that said civilizations had knowledge of the Antarctic coast or that such knowledge was passed along to become part of the PR map.
matripley wrote: To be a true skeptical thinker, rather than a naysayer or cynic, you need to doubt your own doubts, especially when you are without evidence or dis-confirmation, as is the case here.
So what do you call it when you jump to wild conjecture without evidence?
Post by Gord » Thu Dec 16, 2010 7:27 am
No, he's not asking for proof, just evidence.
When saying something doesn't exist, the lack of evidence that it does exist is evidence that it doesn't exist.
First, predict what evidence must remain from an ancient civilization. (To do so, you will need to define many terms, especially "civilization.") Next, search for it everywhere that it could possibly be. If you don't find any evidence of an ancient civilization, then you have evidence of the lack of an ancient civilization.
Post by Blacksamwell » Thu Dec 16, 2010 7:39 am
Thanks Gord. Your insight is appreciated.
Well, I spend a lot of time looking for things that aren't there.
Post by corymaylett » Fri Dec 17, 2010 6:11 am
Thylacine wrote: During ages sea levels drop significantly, exposing broad costal plains on continental shelves. The Antarctic continental shelf, however, is quite narrow, then drops off precipitously. Not much additional land would have been exposed. This is really irrelevant, though, since in the middle of an ice age, that narrow band of exposed land would have been covered with ice. The ice cores in the Antarctic indicate that the ice sheet is many, many tens of thousands of years old. It's not very likely that the global cooling that caused Canada, most of Europe and northern Asia to be covered by an ice sheet would have resulted in warm, ice-free coastlines along Antarctica. Remember, the coast (along with the continental shelves) of Antarctic is at a much higher latitude than the equivalent totally iced-over latitudes in the Northern Hemisphere.
This is confusing two issues: the maps in themselves and the notion of an unknown ancient advanced civilization flooded by the sea level rises.
Thylacine wrote: Even if a fertile coastal area existed, which it almost certainly did not,
Where do you get almost certainly from? That it was cold there? I dont see the reasoning.
I'm unsure how to explain that any better than I just did, but I'll try to rephrase it.
Recent ice ages lowered sea levels due to the enormous amounts of water trapped in the greatly expanded polar ice caps. This lowered sea level would have resulted in larger coastal plains along most of the Earth's continents — especially those with a large, shallow continental shelves. Antarctica, however, has a narrow continental shelf, and because of its high latitudes and generally lower temperatures, those now-underwater expanded coastlines would have been under many meters of ice with a sea shelf of ice extending several hundred miles further still. In other words, a civilization living there wouldn't have been possible, and exploration of this coastline would have been highly unlikely.
Just to summarize my views: I've looked at the maps, looked at lots of the evidence, and quite frankly, I don't see what you're seeing. I find it interesting that a few old map makers, through conjecture, imagined a large land mass at the South Pole, but that's about it. What they imagined on their maps, however, bears almost no resemblance to what's actually there, so i just don't see a reason to take the claims of ancient knowledge, ancient civilizations there or ancient aliens particularly seriously. The evidence just isn't there — not even close.
Post by Bunyip » Fri Dec 17, 2010 6:24 am
Indeed, and I think saying aliens helped us achieve civilization is a bit of an insult to our intelligence and ingenuity as a species
Well,I'm not insulted. Why should I be? A proposition is true or not true or we don't know. Getting my knickers all out of focus does not change the evidence.(or lack of it)
Post by Parrot » Fri Dec 17, 2010 6:58 pm
matripley wrote: I see what you are saying, but I think we need to be careful about the way react to claims we consider absurd or false.
The question about how aggressively to go after these types of claims is something that's been kicked around the blogosphere all over the place. I personally think it's best to conduct debates with as much composure and dignity as possible, to try and let the force of your arguments make your case for you rather than just trying to make your opponent look bad.
In my blog I try my best never to get nasty, and to focus my attention more on claims than on people. I personally think that's the best way to go about it, and I think you're saying that you agree with me on that, correct?
What I want to specifically look at here, though, is when you said: why do they need to bear the burden of proof? Why cant it just be a point for debate not ridicule and agression? - I think this encapsulates the general thrust of what you're trying to say, along with these quotes:
I want to make it clear that I don't think discussing any possibility is crazy. But I think we should be clear that if we don't have any good evidence, then all we're doing is speculating.
I have no problem with speculation. Hell, I'm even okay with people putting their coin down and forming an opinion based on only speculation, as long as they clearly understand that they're running on pure speculation and don't take themselves too seriously.
I think that most ancient alien theorists actually do take themselves too seriously though. They're not willing to critically examine their evidence, so I figure I might as well do it for them.
You asked why they should bear the burden of proof. The answer is because they're the ones making a claim. They're the ones who are trying to convince the rest of us that they're correct. So it's up to them to present the evidence that will convince us.
We can't just say things like "Aliens visited us in ancient times - prove me wrong!". Even ancient alien theorists recognize this, which is why they entitled their first episode of the History Channel documentary "The Evidence"
So it's up to the believers in ancient aliens to present the evidence, and then we can look at it and make a decision as to whether this really is compelling evidence or not.
You mention the possibility that there might be metrics not yet invented that would allow us to develop better evidence. That's certainly a possibility, but until such a metric comes about, the bottom line is that there currently isn't any compelling evidence.
And we'd have to first look at any new metric in order to determine whether it makes sense.
Sometimes people do come up with new ways of measuring things that dramatically change how science views a certain topic. It can take time to prove the point this way, science often works very slowly. But that's the way it has to be if we want to be sure that we have evidence that we can rely on.
Post by matripley » Fri Dec 17, 2010 10:59 pm
Parrot wrote: The question about how aggressively to go after these types of claims is something that's been kicked around the blogosphere all over the place.
I guess that, as skeptics, we should not go by what is gone before, but what the actual evidence, not opinions, shows. But I figure you know this.
I personally think it's best to conduct debates with as much composure and dignity as possible
For sure:)
to try and let the force of your arguments make your case for you rather than just trying to make your opponent look bad.
Absolutely, though really it is not the force of the argument but the truth of the conclusion that will win out under reason.
Yes, 100% to all.
Absolutely, but we must continue to doubt the orthodoxy, if we wish to remain impartial.
I agree with you 80% that we don't have much good evidence for this thesis. But there is some, not that prooves, but that confirms. And even if there were no evidence it is still not absurd to have a thesis based on the premise that mankind was skilled and civilized ten thousand years before the Sumerians?
I read Finger Prints of the Gods recently, it has some ridiculous claims and conjectures about all this stuff, I guess you have read it. Nonetheless, some of the evidence it cites is interesting, even without anyone elses opinion or interpretation.
I think you have done a good job of showing how the opinions of these people who cite these theories are not as important as they think they are, but some of the evidence, like the maps themselves, remains interesting, and not like homeopathy.
Absolutely, again, the skeptical position; testing how the evidence matches the speculations.
I think that most ancient alien theorists actually do take themselves too seriously though.
Like, totalah. They do themselves a disservice perhaps.
They're not willing to critically examine their evidence, so I figure I might as well do it for them.
Yes, you do it well I reckon. more Podcasts!:p
Its not just critically examine their evidence, its compare their evidence with that of others. Metrics!:)
Well, ideally yes.
But they would say they have presented the evidence and it should be up to others to test that evidence.
And this is the thing, with their evidence, its interpretative. if you can find a time in histories night skies when your 4 buildings align with a constellation at that time, you have a theory that you can interpret into all kinds of sci-fi gone real.
And none of us would be able to say that their interpretation was wrong, wheras we could say where the facts disagreed, eg with star patterns or dimensions of buildings.
So we see lots of people attacking the intrepretations(me included) but I dont get the feeling much work is being done on the stuff we could know one way or another, like the metric to assess how similar maps were, that we talked about earlier.
Thats my thoughts:)
We can't just say things like "Aliens visited us in ancient times - prove me wrong!".
It can't be proved wrong, clearly.
It could be proved right, eg if we found an alient spaceship under the great pyramid and could date it to being there five thousand years. That would be proof enough.
That would be exceptional evidence.
I guess there is some threashold of evidence that would make the orthodoxy go, "Ohh wow, we were wrong".
I dont think the maps are that evidence. I am pretty sure you and everyone else here doesn't either. But I do think there is a chance they may confirm the hypothesis. I think after reading your blog I am now placing that evidence much more in the "not confirming" pile.
But its still far from certain in my mind that a lost and greatly ancient civilization did not exist. Its a facinmating topic all round, I think:)
They would say they have presented the evidence.
I agree, that I know of, at least to do with the maps.
You could have a crowd generated metric, loads of people saying which outlines looked similar. With enough people, there could b a significant confirmation or dis-confirmation of the theory.
what fun!:)
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Post by thetruth1 » Sun Dec 19, 2010 8:00 pm
its funny how ones argument against the smoking gun proof a previous alien visits is to just put down the theory saying its childish. how did our ancestors lift stones up to stack that would take 20 cranes to pick up? maybe aliens advanced technology is based on nature which our plastic heads cant grasp.why would cultures around the world who carve a almost perfect looking aligator into stone also carve a human standing next to a round headed big eyed alien. why would rennisance artists paint ufos in the sky? why would so many historical figures claimed to see 329 BC Alexander the Great records two great silver shields, spitting fire around the rims in the sky that dived repeatedly at his army as they were attempting a river crossing. The action so panicked his elephants, horses, and men they had to abandon the river crossing until the following day. imagine not knowing how to explain what you saw or have no concept of space travel how do you explain it back then?
Post by Parrot » Sun Dec 19, 2010 10:32 pm
thetruth1 wrote: its funny how ones argument against the smoking gun proof a previous alien visits is to just put down the theory saying its childish. how did our ancestors lift stones up to stack that would take 20 cranes to pick up? maybe aliens advanced technology is based on nature which our plastic heads cant grasp.why would cultures around the world who carve a almost perfect looking aligator into stone also carve a human standing next to a round headed big eyed alien. why would rennisance artists paint ufos in the sky? why would so many historical figures claimed to see 329 BC Alexander the Great records two great silver shields, spitting fire around the rims in the sky that dived repeatedly at his army as they were attempting a river crossing. The action so panicked his elephants, horses, and men they had to abandon the river crossing until the following day. imagine not knowing how to explain what you saw or have no concept of space travel how do you explain it back then?
Well, regarding the stones, there's really no mystery as to how they moved them - they got hundreds of men together and they pulled. Lifting them can be accomplished by a simple process of using a fulcrum and tipping the blocks back and forth while piling lumber into the cavities that creates.
And regarding the incident with Alexander The Great, there's actually no record of that ever happening. The earliest mention of it comes from 1959 by Frank Edwards, and it looks like he just made it up out of whole cloth. There is not a single document written before then which describes this incident as narrated by Edwards.
That's what you find when you look closely at these kinds of claims - there's just nothing to them.
Post by Gord » Sun Dec 19, 2010 10:40 pm
Now let's talk about the Dropa!
Post by thetruth1 » Sun Dec 19, 2010 10:54 pm
yea that can explain how some stones were lifted but not mammoth sized stones that would snap a cable let alone cheap rope. yet theres no explanation for the carvings in the stones that long ago that have detailed animals then detailed humans than detailed creatures with big round heads/eyes just like aliens seen today. what about rennisance paintings with ufos in the sky? cave paintings of humans standing next to different looking space brothers? precision carving in rocks that would test our diamond coated tools now a days? carvings of men in space suits?a japanese drawing of a samurai standing next to what is an obvious ufo? Please explain that mysterious hole in canada!!! sorry our ancestors couldnt explain exactly what they saw
Gord wrote: Now let's talk about the Dropa!
I personally really like the Crystal Skulls:
Apparently, there are 13 of them hidden in remote deserts and deep in jungles all around the world waiting until man is ready to find them.
Post by Gord » Mon Dec 20, 2010 6:03 am
Parrot wrote: ...waiting until man is ready to find them.
Like virginal princesses!
I bet they're guarded by dragons.
Post by matripley » Mon Dec 20, 2010 11:47 am
Thylacine wrote: Recent ice ages lowered sea levels due to the enormous amounts of water trapped in the greatly expanded polar ice caps. This lowered sea level would have resulted in larger coastal plains along most of the Earth's continents — especially those with a large, shallow continental shelves.
Yes, we agree. An area the size of a continent would have been exposed.
Antarctica, however, has a narrow continental shelf, and because of its high latitudes and generally lower temperatures, those now-underwater expanded coastlines would have been under many meters of ice with a sea shelf of ice extending several hundred miles further still. In other words, a civilization living there wouldn't have been possible, and exploration of this coastline would have been highly unlikely.
This point I am making is about the plausibilioty of the general thesis of an antediluvian civilization, irrespective of Antarctica.
Just to summarize my views: I've looked at the maps, looked at lots of the evidence, and quite frankly, I don't see what you're seeing.
Then you don't see what I am seeing. As said, I have been dropped my threashold of plausibility that the maps represent "orthodox impossible knowledge". Also, as said, I wont be convinced of this until there is some reasonable metric to judge this.
Until we have this, on the the maps issue, its just fencing opinions.
On the wider issue of an antediluvian civilization. I think there is evidence for this, both above ground (Gobleci Tepi, the sphinx, maybe), below the water and in many of the world's anchient texts, plato being the most recent.
>>>I find it interesting that a few old map makers, through conjecture, imagined a large land mass at the South Pole, but that's about it.
That's your opinion. Is it possible they could be remnant knowldge of ancient expert cartographers?
>>>What they imagined on their maps, however, bears almost no resemblance to what's actually there,
That seems not true. The resemblance is pretty clear , what is important is how significant that is. As Parrot showed with his Australia overlay, it might not be that significant at all. But again, without a test and comparative metric, its all just opinion.
As a skeptic, you should doubt your opinions, and the opinions of experts as much as you doubt the opinion of fruitcakes. The great thing is, that if your opinioon and that of the experts holds up to doubt better than those of the fruitcakes, your douibts become vindicated. I am not sure this has happened yet with these maps, and certainly not with the antideluvian civ hypothesis.
>>> so i just don't see a reason to take the claims of ancient knowledge, ancient civilizations there or ancient aliens particularly seriously.
Lets forget the aliens, that seems much more implausible than the idea that there was a civilization 10k+ years ago.
If you drop all your preconceptions, abrahamic biases, archeological fashions and all these things and start right from nowhere and answer these questions:
1) 10,000+ years ago were there humans creating art and building structures?
2) 10,000+ years ago was there a massive coastal land area that is now submerged?
3) Have most civilizations arisen in, or adjacent to, coastal areas?
4) Is there any evidence from this flooded land area for (now up to 100m below the sea) supporting civilized human habitation?
I think the answer to the above points are all affirmative and so for me it seems rational and good method to expect more evidence for and test the hypothesis of antideluvian civilizations.
Laying asside your opinions, what do you think?
The evidence just isn't there — not even close.
Maybe you haven't heard of the Gulf of Cambay?
In skepticism not cynicism,
well wishes,
Post by Gord » Mon Dec 20, 2010 2:01 pm
matripley wrote: 3) Have most civilizations arisen in, or adjacent to, coastal areas?
No, not really. They've usually arisen in river valleys where yearly flooding replenished the fertility of the fields needed to grow enough food to feed large populations.
Post by matripley » Mon Dec 20, 2010 2:40 pm
Could you name me some, please, that were not coastal?
Okay. Hang on, I'll have to Google some of them, I've forgotten the names of the valleys.
Nile River Valley
Mesopotamia (which means "between the rivers")
Yellow River Valley
the Coatzacoalcos River basin (Olmecs) (I think they actually spread to other river basins as well though)
the Oaxaca Valley (Zapotecs)
Those are the ones that always spring to mind. Not sure if there were others of the same nature or magnitude. Maybe the Ganges River? Wait, I can Google that too:
Nope, nothing pops out. "Harappan," maybe? But I think that's the Indus Valley civilization -- they may have extended to the Ganges, I don't recall, and someone seems to have turned my internet connection down to "slow" again.
Oh but I did found this map, shows four of the river valleys I'm talking about: http://www.mapsofworld.com/country-prof ... s-map.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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Post by Chachacha » Mon Dec 20, 2010 4:10 pm
My favorite ancient alien theories are: the halo around Jesus' head was an alien helmet, and Jesus was the first to say, "Beam me up, Scotty."
Post by OlegTheBatty » Mon Dec 20, 2010 4:24 pm
Chachacha wrote: My favorite ancient alien theories are: the halo around Jesus' head was an alien helmet, and Jesus was the first to say, "Beam me up, Scotty."
After which, McCoy said "Jesus, how did you get loose? Have you been chewing your nails again?"
Post by corymaylett » Mon Dec 20, 2010 7:27 pm
matripley wrote: This point I am making is about the plausibilioty of the general thesis of an antediluvian civilization, irrespective of Antarctica.
"Antediluvian" is a term usually used in reference to the Biblical flood legend. You use the term several times here and at least once in another post, plus further on in your post, you use the term "Abrahamic bias." Just for clarity's sake, so I'll know where you're coming from, are you trying to establish a relationship between these maps and your ideas on prehistoric civilizations with the creation stories in Genesis?
matripley wrote: Also, as said, I wont be convinced of this until there is some reasonable metric to judge this.
Latitude and longitude are off by many hundreds of miles, physical area of the landmasses differ enormously, almost no similarity exists between the coastlines — either between the old maps or when compared to the actual coastline (higher seas, lower seas or covered with ice). There's no need for more precise metrics since a significant correlation fails using even the roughest metrics.
matripley wrote: On the wider issue of an antediluvian civilization. I think there is evidence for this, both above ground (Gobleci Tepi, the sphinx, maybe), below the water and in many of the world's anchient texts, plato being the most recent.
There's plenty of evidence for prehistoric tribal hunter-gatherer societies and small settlements, but I know of no substantive evidence of anything more advanced. Gobleci Tepi? The Sphinx? Plato? You'll need to explain your ideas there.
thylacine wrote: I find it interesting that a few old map makers, through conjecture, imagined a large land mass at the South Pole, but that's about it.
Given the lack of evidence and the improbability of prehistoric "remnant knowledge" of detailed geographic information relating to the South Pole being passed along in some unknown form to a handful of geographically and culturally separated Medieval, Renaissance and Ottoman map makers, then disappearing without a trace, it seems highly improbable.
Thylacine wrote: What they imagined on their maps, however, bears almost no resemblance to what's actually there...
Again, for me, there's almost no resemblance whatsoever without twisting, shrinking, repositioning, altering sea levels and using a hefty dose of the same sort of imagination that makes clouds look like rabbits and dragons.
matripley wrote: As a skeptic, you should doubt your opinions, and the opinions of experts as much as you doubt the opinion of fruitcakes. The great thing is, that if your opinioon and that of the experts holds up to doubt better than those of the fruitcakes, your douibts become vindicated. I am not sure this has happened yet with these maps, and certainly not with the antideluvian civ hypothesis.
As a skeptic, I'm much more skeptical of fruitcakes than I am of experts. It's not that fruitcakes can't be right, it's just that there's a much higher statistical probability of them being wrong than the experts. Besides, I'm not relying on expert opinions when comparing the old maps to the new. Instead, I look at both, and see no significant correlation that amounts to anything more than a curiosity.
matripley wrote: If you drop all your preconceptions, abrahamic biases, archeological fashions and all these things and start right from nowhere and answer these questions:
Answers: (1) Yes, (2) Yes, (3) No, (4) Yes
I guess if you call coastal, tribal-based fishing villages civilizations, sure, they start along coastlines. However, if you're referring to more complicated civilizations of the sort normally referred to as being civilizations, they all started in river valleys, as has already been mentioned. Off the top of my head, the only iffy exception being the Mezo American civilization that, arguably, began along several smaller rivers around the Yucatan. None of these civilizations, however, were dependent upon or the result of a coastline.
matripley wrote: Laying asside your opinions, what do you think?
I think the evidence for prehistoric civilizations that extend beyond tribal societies and small settlements is non-existant.
matripley wrote: Maybe you haven't heard of the Gulf of Cambay?
Yes, I've heard of the Gulf of Cambay. Similarly, about ten years ago, I remember reading about archeological structures and evidence of boats being found several dozen meters beneath the Black Sea (Scientific American, I think) prior to its connection the the Aegean and Mediterranean. The large Bering Sea plain is another prime location for now-submerged archeological artifacts. For that matter, I suspect that there are a great number of archeological sites in numerous places that were submerged when the ice sheets from the last ice age melted, retreated and raised the sea level.
There is no evidence, though, of any advanced civilizations during this period. The only evidence is for hunter-gatherer, tribal societies. I suppose it's possibile that a more advanced civilization could have emerged, fallen and its cities flooded when the sea levels raised, but there's no evidence for it. Anyway, it seems unlikely that an advanced civilization would leave no substantive trace of their existence elsewhere in areas that aren't now submerged.
Even if a more advanced, sea-fairing coastal civilization had existed along a now-submerged coastal area, it would have been during the ice age when enormous amounts of the planet's water were tied up in the extensive, miles-thick polar ice sheets. During this time, the shores of Antarctica would have been submerged beneath miles of ice and obscured by thick sea ice extending many hundreds of miles from the shores. It wouldn't have been possible for a prehistoric ice age civilization to have explored the Antarctic coastline unless they had technical expertise corresponding to that of modern-day humans of the last 2 or 3 hundred years. And if that were they case, we would have extensive planet-wide evidence?
Besides, the allegations of similarities between the old maps and the actual Antarctic coastline depend upon a shoreline of an ice-free Antarctica with higher sea levels than today, not lower.
Post by thetruth1 » Mon Dec 20, 2010 7:32 pm
i loved how its a agree to disagree even though the carvings in stone are unexplained...yea hamlet has words but there was never a painting of hamlet with obvious flying saucers in the air. no 1 tells how a stone that would take 21 craines now got moved with cloth rope n people even denying the roap breaking but to move it wouldnt be probable. then move on to carvings huge moutain sides with a flat carved surface rocks that would test our diamond coated tools yet bronze got it done and why carve an alien figure next to a human 1 in rock? why takje the gesnerations of extra short lives then to record that?why do so many cultures draw the same? there is a culture pre summarian they found. its funny how the thought of aliens helps us really hurts our religious views thus making us want to turn a blind eye. how did they carve the stones in Sacsayhuaman? what was gobekli tepe? any explanation for haratonohama 1803? explanations for artwork of aliens???? how do you precisely carve granite? JUST BECAUSE YOU EXCUSE SOMETHING AS NOT REAL DOESNT MEAN THE FACTS ARE NOT THERE. try putting yourself in ancestors shoes who worried about surviving...how do you explain what you saw?
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List of autoimmune diseases
Associate Editor-In-Chief: Cafer Zorkun, M.D., Ph.D. [2]
2 Autoimmune diseases
2.1 Accepted
2.2 Suspected
Autoimmune diseases arise from an overactive immune response of the body against substances and tissues normally present in the body. In other words, the body attacks its own cells. Today there are more than 40 human diseases classified as either definite or probable autoimmune diseases, and they affect 5% to 7% of the population. Almost all autoimmune diseases appear without warning or apparent cause, and most patients suffer from fatigue.
The causes of autoimmune diseases are still obscure: Some are thought to be either examples of or precipitated by diseases of affluence. For example, arthritis and obesity are acknowledged to be related, and the World Health Organisation states that arthritis is most common in developed countries. Most autoimmune diseases are probably the result of multiple circumstances, for example, a genetic predisposition triggered by an infection.
Women tend to be affected more often by autoimmune disorders; nearly 79% of autoimmune disease patients in the USA are women. Also they tend to appear during or shortly after puberty. It is not known why this is the case, although hormone levels have been shown to affect the severity of some autoimmune diseases such as multiple sclerosis [3]. Other causes may include the presence of fetal cells in the maternal bloodstream. [4]
Diseases with a complete or partial autoimmune etiology:
The "Mesh" column lists those conditions that are classified as autoimmune by the MeSH system.
Name MeSH? ICD-10 Description
Acute disseminated encephalomyelitis (ADEM) yes G04.0 is a form of encephalitis caused by an autoimmune reaction and typically occurring a few days or weeks after a viral infection or a vaccination.
Addison's disease yes E27 is often caused by autoimmune destruction of the adrenal cortex.
Ankylosing spondylitis yes M08.1, M45. is a chronic, painful, progressive inflammatory arthritis primarily affecting spine and sacroiliac joints, causing eventual fusion of the spine.
Antiphospholipid antibody syndrome (APS) yes D68.8 affects the blood-clotting process. It causes blood clots to form in veins and/or arteries.
Aplastic anemia no D60 is often caused by an autoimmune attack on the bone marrow.
Autoimmune hepatitis no K75.9 is a disorder wherein the liver is the target of the body's own immune system.
Autoimmune Oophoritis no N70 is a disorder in which the immune system attacks the female reproductive organs.
Celiac disease no K90.0 is a disease characterized by chronic inflammation of the proximal portion of the small intestine caused by exposure to certain dietary gluten proteins.
Crohn's disease no K50 is a form of inflammatory bowel disease characterized by chronic inflammation of the intestinal tract. Major symptoms include abdominal pain and diarrhea. There is also evidence supporting the theory that Crohn's Disease is an infectious disease caused by Mycobacterium avium paratuberculosis.
Diabetes mellitus type 1 yes E10 when it is characterized by a deficiency or absence of insulin production (Type I), is often the consequence of an autoimmune attack on the insulin-producing beta cells in the islets of Langerhans of the pancreas.
Gestational pemphigoid no O26.4 is a pregnancy-related blistering condition where autoantibodies are directed against the skin.
Goodpasture's syndrome yes M31.0 is a disease characterized by rapid destruction of the kidneys and hemorrhaging of the lungs through autoimmune reaction against an antigen found in both organs.
Graves' disease yes E05.0 is the most common form of hyperthyroidism, and is caused by anti-thyroid antibodies that have the effect of stimulating (agonist) the thyroid into overproduction of thyroid hormone.
Guillain-Barré syndrome (GBS) yes G61.0 is an acquired immune-mediated inflammatory disorder of the peripheral nervous system (i.e., not the brain and spinal column). It is also called acute inflammatory demyelinating polyneuropathy, acute idiopathic polyradiculoneuritis, acute idiopathic polyneuritis and Landry's ascending paralysis.
Hashimoto's disease yes E06.3 is a common form of hypothyroidism, characterised by initial inflammation of the thyroid, and, later, dysfunction and goiter. There are several characteristic antibodies (e.g., anti-thyroglobulin).
Idiopathic thrombocytopenic purpura yes D69.3 is an autoimmune disease where the body produces anti-platelet antibodies resulting in a low platelet count
Kawasaki's Disease no M30.3 is often caused by an autoimmune attack on the arteries around the heart.
Lupus erythematosus yes L93, M32 is a chronic (long-lasting) autoimmune disease wherein the immune system, for unknown reasons, becomes hyperactive and attacks normal tissue. This attack results in inflammation and brings about symptoms. This is a "Non-organ-specific" type of autoimmune disease.
Multiple sclerosis yes G35 is a disorder of the central nervous system (brain and spinal cord) characterised by decreased nerve function due to myelin loss and secondary axonal damage.
Myasthenia gravis yes G70.0 is a disorder of neuromuscular transmission leading to fluctuating weakness and fatigue. Weakness is caused by circulating antibodies that block (antagonist) acetylcholine receptors at the neuromuscular junction.
Opsoclonus myoclonus syndrome (OMS) n/a n/a is a neurological disorder that appears to the result of an autoimmune attack on the nervous system. Symptoms include opsoclonus, myoclonus, ataxia, intention tremor, dysphasia, dysarthria, mutism, hypotonia, lethargy, irritability or malaise. About half of all OMS cases occur in association with neuroblastoma.
Optic neuritis no H46 is an inflammation of the optic nerve that may cause a complete or partial loss of vision.
Ord's thyroiditis n/a n/a is a thyroiditis similar to Hashimoto's disease, except that the thyroid is reduced in size. In Europe, this form of thyroid inflammation is more common than Hashimoto's disease.
Pemphigus yes L10 is an autoimmune disorder that causes blistering and raw sores on skin and mucous membranes.
Pernicious anaemia no D51.0 is an autoimmune disorder characterised by anaemia due to malabsorption of vitamin B12
Polyarthritis in dogs n/a n/a is an immune reaction severely affecting the joints of dogs. Although rare and of unknown cause it can render a dog immobile even at a very young age. Treatment includes cortisone-type drugs.
Primary biliary cirrhosis no K74.3 appears to be an autoimmune disease that affects the biliary epithelial cells (BECs) of the small bile duct in the liver. Although the cause is yet to be determined, most of the patients (>90%) appear to have auto-mitochondrial antibodies (AMAs) against pyruvate dehydrogenase complex (PDC), an enzyme that is found in the mitochondria.
Rheumatoid arthritis yes M05-M06 is an autoimmune disorder that causes the body's immune system to attack the bone joints.
Reiter's syndrome no M02 seems to be an autoimmune attack on various body systems in response to a bacterial infection and the body's confusion over the HLA-B27 marker
Sjögren's syndrome yes M35.0 is an autoimmune disorder in which immune cells attack and destroy the exocrine glands that produce tears and saliva.
Takayasu's arteritis no M31.4 is a disorder that results in the narrowing of the lumen of arteries.
Temporal arteritis (also known as "giant cell arteritis") yes M31.5 is an inflammation of blood vessels, most commonly the large and medium arteries of the head. Untreated, the disorder can lead to significant vision loss.
Warm autoimmune hemolytic anemia n/a D59.1 is a disorder characterized by IgM attack against red blood cells
Wegener's granulomatosis no M31.3 is a form of vasculitis that affects the lungs, kidneys and other organs.
Suspected
Diseases suspected or theorized to be linked to autoimmunity are:
Behçet's disease
Chagas' disease [1]
Endometriosis [2]
Hidradenitis suppurativa [3]
Interstitial cystitis [4]
Morphea[5]
Neuromyotonia [6]
Narcolepsy [7]
Schizophrenia. [8][9][10]
Vitiligo [11][12]
↑ Hyland KV, Engman DM (2006). "Further thoughts on where we stand on the autoimmunity hypothesis of Chagas disease". Trends Parasitol. 22 (3): 101–2, author reply 103. doi:10.1016/j.pt.2006.01.001. PMID 16446117.
↑ Gleicher N, el-Roeiy A, Confino E, Friberg J (1987). "Is endometriosis an autoimmune disease?". Obstetrics and gynecology. 70 (1): 115–22. PMID 3110710. CS1 maint: Multiple names: authors list (link)
↑ "Clinical Trial: Etanercept in Hidradenitis Suppurativa". Retrieved 2007-07-08.
↑ Kárpáti F, Dénes L, Büttner K (1975). "[Interstitial cystitis=autoimmune cyatitis? Interstitial as a participating disease in lupus erythematosus]". Zeitschrift für Urologie und Nephrologie (in German). 68 (9): 633–9. PMID 1227191. CS1 maint: Multiple names: authors list (link) CS1 maint: Unrecognized language (link)
↑ Takehara K, Sato S (2005). "Localized scleroderma is an autoimmune disorder". Rheumatology (Oxford, England). 44 (3): 274–9. doi:10.1093/rheumatology/keh487. PMID 15561734.
↑ Maddison P (2006). "Neuromyotonia". Clinical neurophysiology : official journal of the International Federation of Clinical Neurophysiology. 117 (10): 2118–27. doi:10.1016/j.clinph.2006.03.008. PMID 16843723.
↑ Carlander, B., Eliaou J.F., Billiard M. (1993). "Autoimmune hypothesis in narcolepsy". Neurophysiol. Clin. 23. CS1 maint: Multiple names: authors list (link)
↑ Eaton WW, Byrne M, Ewald H; et al. (2006). "Association of schizophrenia and autoimmune diseases: linkage of Danish national registers". The American journal of psychiatry. 163 (3): 521–8. doi:10.1176/appi.ajp.163.3.521. PMID 16513876. CS1 maint: Explicit use of et al. (link) CS1 maint: Multiple names: authors list (link)
↑ Jones AL, Mowry BJ, Pender MP, Greer JM (2005). "Immune dysregulation and self-reactivity in schizophrenia: do some cases of schizophrenia have an autoimmune basis?". Immunol. Cell Biol. 83 (1): 9–17. doi:10.1111/j.1440-1711.2005.01305.x. PMID 15661036. CS1 maint: Multiple names: authors list (link)
↑ Strous RD, Shoenfeld Y (2006). "Schizophrenia, autoimmunity and immune system dysregulation: a comprehensive model updated and revisited". J. Autoimmun. 27 (2): 71–80. doi:10.1016/j.jaut.2006.07.006. PMID 16997531.
↑ "Questions and Answers about Vitiligo". Retrieved 2007-08-06.
↑ "A New Gene Linked to Vitiligo and Susceptibility to Autoimmune Disorders - Journal Watch Dermatology". Retrieved 2007-08-06.
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My friends at Why Don't We Own This? have launched a new feature that enables you to see all of the properties in Detroit's Warrendale neighborhood that will soon be up for auction by the Wayne County Treasurer. There are, quite frankly, a lot of them.
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For many, their first crossroads come by when the child approaches pre-school starting age.
What pathway is best? Mainstream, special education or homeschooling?
Mdm Lee Seu Hong, 39, enrolled her daughter, En Ning (now 5) into a nursery programme at Sunnytots Schoolhouse, a mainstream pre-school at Yishun. She was 3 years old at enrollment. En Ning has special needs and multiple medical challenges. We spoke to both Mdm Lee and the principal of Sunnytots, Mdm Sally Goh, to understand the decision process from the parent and school's point of view in accommodating the child at school.
Mdm Lee's daughter, En Ning battled with multiple medical challenges at birth but gradually improved in her growth and development throughout the years. She has Antley Bixler Syndrome, a rare genetic disorder which affects her breathing, gross motor development and general growth.
"We were very worried and scared when En Ning was born with multiple challenges and diagnosed with Antley Bixler. She has a narrow upper airway which affects her breathing, hence at just two weeks' old, she had a tracheostomy operation done. Basically, a breathing tube is placed in her trachea to help her breathe," shared Mdm Lee.
Amongst other medical issues affecting her heart and kidneys, En Ning also has a left club foot, and elbow rigidity (fixed at 90 degrees) which affects physical movement.
En Ning is enrolled in an early intervention programme at Rainbow Centre - Yishun Park School since she was a year old. Her mother later supplemented her schooling experience by enrolling her into a mainstream nursery class at Sunnytots Schoolhouse when she was just three years old.
It was difficult mainstreaming En Ning due to the extra care she needs, but Mdm Lee persisted and found a receptive pre-school.
The school had no issues with accepting children with special needs as they were already exposed to two other students with special needs at the school.
We asked Mdm Lee why she chose to send En Ning to a mainstream pre-school.
"En Ning's early intervention teacher suggested that we expose En Ning to mainstream pre-school to get a richer educational experience and to socialize with neurotypical peers of her age. She explained that the early intervention programme will not be able to fully provide academics or socialization experience so supplementation with time in a mainstream environment can give En Ning a richer learning experience," explained Mdm Lee.
We learnt that although reading was a challenging skill for En Ning to pick up due to her hearing challenges, she has learnt how to write her alphabets and numbers.
En Ning currently goes to Auditory Verbal Therapy (AVT) and speech therapy classes at National University Hospital to continue working on sound recognition skills and will be taking a school readiness and psychological assessment test this year to ascertain if mainstream primary schooling is the right pathway for her when she turns 7 in 2019.
Mdm Lee shares with us that in the event that mainstream primary education is deemed unsuitable, she intends to enroll En Ning at a special education (SPED) school specialized in supporting children with hearing impairment and which offers a mainstream curriculum for children with multiple disabilities. However, if the psychological assessment shows readiness for primary school, Mdm Lee is prepared to hire a shadow teacher for En Ning so that she can be better supported in class.
"I am very grateful to Sunnytots, its principal and teachers for giving En Ning a chance to learn alongside her neurotypical peers and for taking good care of her at school. To the parents of En Ning's schoolmates at Sunnytots, I would also like to thank them for being open-minded and inclusive, allowing their children to accept En Ning's differences and let her learn alongside her friends. I hope that in years to come, Singapore can have a more inclusive environment in mainstream schools for children and youths with differences," opined Mdm Lee.
Indeed, it takes a village to educate a child and a receptive heart is a start.
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Солоновка — упразднённый посёлок в Поспелихинском районе Алтайского края. На момент упразднения входил в состав 12 лет Октября сельсовета. Исключен из учётных данных в 1981 году.

География
Располагался на правом берегу реки Кизиха (приток Алея), приблизительно в 6,5 километрах (по прямой) к западу от поселка 12 лет Октября.

История
Возник как одно из производственных отделений совхоза «12 лет Октября».

Решением АКИК от 28.05.1981 года № 194 посёлок исключен из учётных данных.

Примечания

Упразднённые населённые пункты Поспелихинского района
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"There's Too Many Men": What Happens When Women Are Outnumbered on a Massive Scale Public Policy
Various factors, such as the infamous one-child policy, have led to an alarming gender imbalance in China and India, as the two countries have 70 million more men than women. Now they have to figure out how to deal with a whole host of consequences that could take decades to fix. WaPo's team examines the four largest ramifications of this massive gender gap through both personal stories and data.
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This interactive visualization from security firm DarkOwl showcases its data on nearly 72,000 websites from across the dark web. Based on natural language processing, DarkOwl has categorized these sites based on their content -- counterfeiting, cryptocurrency, hacking, and others. Dig deep into this viz to understand what's happening in the depths of the internet.
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As San Francisco has grown into a hub for burgeoning tech, the city's skyline has been dotted with taller skyscrapers. The city now has 160 buildings taller than 240 feet, including the Salesforce Tower that tops 1,000. Some seismologists worry that this leaves the city susceptible to major damage should a large earthquake hit. By one estimate, one in four buildings may be unusable after a magnitude 7 earthquake.
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Major League Baseball has been attempting to speed up games for several years now with a host of rules changes. Turns out that the umpires may be unwittingly aiding in that effort. According to analysis by FiveThirtyEight, umps tend to favor the team more likely to win during extra innings by making subtle adjustments to the strike zone. Maybe they need to get paid overtime?
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From Below to Above the Title: The Construction of Barbara Stanwyck's Star Image 1930-1935
Berkvens, Linda (2008) From Below to Above the Title: The Construction of Barbara Stanwyck's Star Image 1930-1935. In: MaCCSA PGN Conference, University of Sussex, 1-2 July 2008.
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This paper examines the construction of the star image of Barbara Stanwyck from her first role at Columbia studio in 1930, until 1935, when she became a freelance actress. I will focus especially on Stanwyck¿s status as a female performer and the possible models of womanhood she portrayed. The work she did, and the accompanying publicity, raises questions about female representation, which I seek to address through this research. I will mainly use archival resources such as fan magazines, press books, and studio publicity material, contemporary to the period to examine how Stanwyck¿s star image was constructed in this period. Traditionally, scholars look at film stars as part of the filmic text. My research method includes the use of other material (publicity, studio documents, etc.) contemporary to Stanwyck, and demonstrates my intention to look at stars and their images from a different angle. This paper challenges the traditional way of looking at stars as fetishised objects, instead moving toward a more practical examination of the construction of the female star image.
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I'm a scientist. During the years of lab research, there was always a moment that motivated me more than anything: to share "my science" with others. I can bet that for every scientist this is a crucial moment as relevant as their own experiments. I completed a PhD and a postdoc in the United States. During all those years as a researcher, I traveled to many places with the purpose of revealing my findings and contributions to science. To participate in scientific conferences also gave me the opportunity to know the work of colleagues and establish connections and collaborations that have marked my career until today.
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The Department of Economic Development and Commerce is planning the development of a program that would bring together initiatives aimed at fostering entrepreneurship in Puerto Rico and that would follow the model of Start Up Chile.
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Obama Discusses Potential NSA Reforms With Congressmen
President Barack Obama in the East Room of the White House on Thursday, Jan. 9, 2014
AP / Jacquelyn Martin
By Alex Rogers
January 9, 2014 9:12 PM EST
President Obama huddled with 16 Congressmen at the White House on Thursday to discuss potential National Security Agency reforms, moving one step closer to releasing his recommendations to fix the spy agency after six months of international debate and congressional hearings.
The 90-minute meeting focused on two potential changes. One would strip the NSA of its ability to store telephone "metadata" — information about the phone numbers involved in calls, including their length, but not their content. Instead, the President may determine that a third party or the phone companies themselves hold the records. The other change would create a special public advocate to the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) court, so that judges, who now only hear the government's position, could hear civil-liberty concerns as well. White House press secretary Jay Carney said Thursday that Obama will announce any potential NSA or FISA reforms before the State of the Union on Jan. 28.
Representative Adam Schiff, a California Democrat, who attended the meeting, said the "bulk" of the time was spent discussing potential reforms to the metadata program. Schiff believes that the phone companies should hold on to the data because of privacy concerns, as a third private party would be "viewed as a surrogate" of the NSA, but said there was a "divergence of opinion" expressed on the topic during the meeting.
"The President made it clear today that he understands the value of the metadata collection programs," wrote Republican Senator Saxby Chambliss of Georgia, the ranking member on the Intelligence Committee and a defender of the NSA's telephone-record gathering, in a public statement. "He also made clear that some changes should be made to create trust in the program by making them more transparent to the American people."
"There have not been actual instances where it's been alleged that the NSA in some ways acted inappropriately in the use of this data," said President Obama in his end-of-the-year press conference last month. "But what is also clear is from the public debate, people are concerned about the prospect, the possibility of abuse."
Schiff said there was "much more convergence" on creating a FISA special advocate. "I think there was a substantial consensus that that would be desirable," said Schiff, who introduced legislation enabling the Privacy and Civil Liberties Oversight Board to appoint such attorneys in September. "We spent more of our focus on what model should be used rather than whether it was a good idea." In August, Obama endorsed "an independent voice" that could challenge the government's position, and on Thursday, NSA's outgoing deputy director, John C. Inglis, told National Public Radio that the agency "would welcome" the creation of a public advocate's position at FISA.
Schiff said the President "kept his cards pretty close to the vest" throughout the meeting and is still seeking counsel before making any recommendations known to the public. White House staff will be meeting with representatives from technology companies on Friday.
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DavidREED Construction Inc Pendry Hotel Project
|Jun 3| 13 min read
From its shops and restaurants to Petco Park and a convention center overlooking the Marina, Downtown San Diego is a vibrant hub of culture, commerce and tourism that has expanded and modernized rapidly over the past decade. The city is still on the rise, with projects like the Pendry Hotel elevating San Diego's Gaslamp District even further as a top nightlife and travel destination.
Designed by ACRM Architects, and developed by The Robert Green Company, the Pendry San Diego will be the first entry in a new ultra-modern and style-oriented luxury imprint from Montage Hotels & Resorts. To ensure the success of this $135 million flagship project, The Robert Green Company has entrusted its production to the design-build and construction specialists at davisREED.
The right contractors for a complex project
"Lifestyle hotels are generally known for their vibrant lobbies, bars and F&B, but not for their service or guest rooms," said Montage Hotels & Resorts CEO Alan Fuerstman, when announcing the concept behind Pendry San Diego and the Pendry Hotels experience. "We're going to combine the two. We're going to have very active and exciting public spaces, coupled with a luxury experience in the guest rooms."
The architecture reflects this concept, with a design intended to evoke a blend of "London hip, New York-paced and California healthy." The 15-story Pendry San Diego will feature 317 guest rooms—including 36 customized suites—as well as two restaurants, a lounge and beer hall , a fitness center, spa, 3rd level pool deck, and 22,000 square feet of meeting space. This concept also extends to the exterior design, an eclectic combination of contrasting plaster and brickwork facades to create an illusion of several buildings within the single structure.
Proper execution of this design requires the right contracting firm—one with the experience and funding to handle a complex large-scale hospitality project, but the flexibility and creativity of a lean and hungry upstart. This is the space in which davisREED Construction Inc. excels.
"We're not just out there doing cookie cutter projects," said Mike Lyons, Project Manager for the Pendry San Diego project. "We're a small contractor that does big and complex projects. We have small focused teams, but we do a lot of work and we like to take on projects like this that are challenging."
Emphasizing safety in a busy cityscape
Thousands of people walk the streets of San Diego's Gaslamp District, and that number increases exponentially during special events—and the city's hospitable weather means that events are happening often, from Padres games to Mardi Gras to San Diego Comic-Con. Working in a tight area surrounded by pedestrian activity, davisREED faces significant safety challenges. The contracting team looks to efficiencies like prefabricated plumbing fixtures, panelized exterior walls that are constructed offsite. We also utilize third party safety inspection services to make certain that safety is kept at the forefront.
"If you do safety in house, a lot of times you may not really be looking as close as you need to, so we outsource our safety inspections to keep us on our toes," said Lyons, explaining that those whole project inspections started out every two weeks and have increased as the project becomes more complex nearer to completion.
"Then we're very active in not only just going through the reports and looking at the findings of our third party inspectors, but also taking it to a point of responding and closing out those reports to make sure we're doing everything we can to be safe," he added. "We haven't had major problems on the project with safety, because we're constantly looking at it."
Working with the city
Safety also requires careful coordination with subcontractors, trade partners, the city and surrounding businesses to keep construction on schedule without disturbing special events taking place downtown.
"The ball park did not want us pouring concrete on day games,'" Lyons explained. We also had to avoid street activities during major convention center events or Gaslamp street parties like Marti Gras "So we've got our calendar marked up with events, and we try to optimize the sequence our work so that, for example, we have a pour date on Thursday because Friday we can't be out there. That's been a challenge, going through the calisthenics of addressing the needs of the people that occupy the areas where we're working."
But davisREED has risen to that challenge, even when staying on schedule means working overtime and increasing manpower to overcome the delays of city work. "Every once in a while we have to spend a little and work overtime to make a pour a day sooner," said Lyons. "But we'd rather spend that money and pull forward than lose days."
A future for the Gaslamp
This dedication and careful planning has paid off, with the Pendry San Diego on track for completion and additional restaurant build-outs by mid-November.
"It fills a gap in the middle of downtown—it's smack dab in the middle of the Gaslamp district, two blocks to the convention center and two blocks to the ball park," said Lyons. "It's kind of a standout here in the middle of downtown, a building this size. It's a place to come and enjoy all the entertainment and it's a really key focal point of downtown San Diego, a cornerstone that's going to connect it all."
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Well, another awesome month gone by and if the Mayans are correct, we're one month closer to the Apocalypse. Morbid much? February has been quite an interesting month. Reading started off great then it petered off toward the end. I'm working on finishing off all my review requests so some of my reads and reviews from February will not get posted until the coming months. I've tried resisting ARC requests and have turned down some review requests but you know me, I've never been known for my self-control. I'm going to try my hardest to work on my immediate TbR pile…when I say immediate, I meant the stackssss of books beside my bed. It's ridiculous, y'all.
Disgusting, isn't it? That's real time, folks. That pile has been there since last weekend. I've been having a case of A.D.D, where I've started a whole slew of books just to see which one I could settle in. So far, it's The Iron Queen by Julie Kagawa. Anyway.
Recommended Read(s) from February: Partials, Almost, The Boy on Cinnamon Street, Chopsticks!!!
Alexa, Flavia, Maria (pronounced Mariah) won themselves copies of ALMOST by Anne Eliot.
These books were given away as part of the 5 Star Club.
Well, there's a tour! Go me! Lol. I rarely join them. I have to like the book before I sign up so The Girl Who Could Silence the Wind is very special. I've read the book already and I'm so excited to be a part of this. I have, in the past, turned down tours that I initially signed up for. Meg Medina is also stopping by on the 15th for an interview…and there's a giveaway…or two. Stay tuned!
132 Minutes (my sister blog) have also been invited to do a couple of guest posts about our outmost love for Melina Marchetta over at another site, so we're pretty pumped! I'm supposed to divulge my obsession with our literary goddess and her works…so this should be fun…I hope I don't embarrass myself! Lol!
I also have a blog feature concocting in my twisted brain but I'm still working out the kinks.


I'm famished, hungry, and in search of something good.
Once a year or so, I tend to get gastritis. I eat out often and can get mild cases of food poisoning. You would think I would learn my lesson. But what lesson? I don't do buffets. That's a hot bed of food poisoning. I was my hands. I don't eat warm food. It needs to be hot. And so forth. I have indeed learned many lessons.
Despite how sage I am, I got a mild case again of food poisoning. I spent from 6am to 3pm, throwing up. Had a fever and a horrific headache. I'm spent. Want to get out of bed but my legs are wobbly. Had about eight spoonfuls of soup before becoming completely repulsed by it. But it was enough to coat my stomach so that I could take painkillers. Slowly, I am on the mend.
This was the first time my adorable Winston saw me ill. He was quite concerned and kept me company for a bit on my bed. Petting a warm puppy can be healing even in a case of food poisoning.
As I slowly mend, my hunger is becoming ferocious. Toast with butter soothes. Although, I long for something tastier. I laugh at this thought and my state of hunger. Just this week, I was told three times I am very hungry. In an entirely different context, mind you. I'm hungry for growth, a new adventure and a clear path. I am famished and in search of something good. My ambition will get me through and hopefully help me shine.


The First District Appellate Court affirmed a decision of a Cook County trial court.
In 1999, Snake River Technology d/b/a Rocky Mountain Cryobanks, a Wyoming company, was purchased by the New England Cryogenics Center, a Massachusetts corporation that collects, stores and sells human sperm.
The purchase included the sperm donor samples in possession of Snake River. In 2009, one such sperm sample was sold to an Oklahoma couple, the Kretchmars, who had a child. The child developed cystic fibrosis; a genetic test revealed that the child had received the Delta-F508 cystic fibrosis gene mutation from the donor sperm.
The sperm sample had been certified as free of a Delta-F508 cystic fibrosis mutation in 1992 by the Reproductive Genetics Institute, an Illinois corporation that conducts genetic testing. The New England Cryogenics had advertised it as such.
The Kretchmars sued New England Cryogenics in Oklahoma. The sperm bank was insured by the Certain Underwriters at Lloyd's of London. When a settlement agreement between the New England Cryogenics and the Kretchmars was reached, Lloyd's paid the settlement proceeds.
And on Aug. 17, 2013, Lloyd's filed suit against the Reproductive Genetics Institute (the "Institute") in Cook County, seeking to recover the settlement proceeds that had been paid to settle the Kretchmars' lawsuit. Lloyd's alleged contribution, negligence, negligent representation and breach of express warranty.
The Institute moved to dismiss, arguing that any claim for contribution in Illinois must be asserted in the underlying lawsuit according to Section 5 of the Joint Tortfeasor Contribution Act, as interpreted by the Illinois Supreme Court in Laue v. Leifheit, 105 Ill. 2d 191 (1984).
The Institute was never made party to the underlying lawsuit in Oklahoma. The trial court granted dismissal with prejudice. Lloyd's appealed.
Lloyd's argued that because the underlying lawsuit occurred outside of Illinois (in Oklahoma), the Illinois Contribution Act could not be applied.
Then Lloyd's asserted that it was impossible for them to make a contribution claim against the Institute in the Oklahoma lawsuit because the Institute was not subject to personal jurisdiction in Oklahoma.
Lloyd's urged the court that public policy consideration supported permitting the separate contribution action as there was no risk of inconsistent verdicts and no additional burden other than on Lloyd's.
Even though the appellate court found that Lloyd's arguments "makes a strong and reasonable public policy argument, which highlights a harsh result," it found that Lloyd's were bound by precedent to the rule against them.
The appellate court noted that the legislature amended the Contribution Act's Section 5 in 1995 to permit such claims for contribution, but the amendment was found unconstitutional by the Illinois Supreme Court in 1997.
The Illinois Appellate Court noted that the legislature had not altered the act in the ensuing 21 years and noted that the Illinois Supreme Court had since found that the act's Section 5 bars a contribution claim not raised in the underlying lawsuit even when the plaintiff attempted to raise it in the underlying lawsuit and was denied leave to do so by the court at the time. Accordingly, the appellate court affirmed the circuit court's decision.
Certain Underwriters at Lloyd's of London v. Reproductive Genetics Institute, 2018 IL App (1st) 170923 (July 31, 2018).
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Statement on First Filing by the State Under New Sexually Violent Predator Law
The Iowa Attorney General's Office today filed a petition in Scott County District Court asking the court to order the civil commitment of Elroy Morrow under Iowa's new law providing for civil commitment of certain sexually violent offenders upon completion of their criminal sentence and their release from confinement. This case is the first filing using the new law, which took effect July 1.
According to the statute, the State must prove beyond a reasonable doubt that an offender has previously been convicted of a sexually violent offense and suffers from a mental abnormality that makes him likely to engage in predatory acts constituting sexually violent offenses unless confined in a secure facility.
Morrow has been an inmate at the Men's Reformatory at Anamosa since 1993. According to the petition, he was arrested and charged with aggravated criminal sexual assault in Rock Island, Illinois in 1986 but he was found incompetent to stand trial and charges were dismissed. In 1989 he was convicted of aggravated criminal sexual abuse in Rock Island, Illinois. In 1993 he was convicted of sexual abuse in the third degree in Scott County and has been serving his sentence at the Men's Reformatory at Anamosa since that time. All victims of these offenses were children between the ages of 5 and 13.
Morrow is scheduled to be transported to the Scott County Jail from the Men's Reformatory at Anamosa on August 24, his release date. A probable cause hearing will be held within 72 hours, as required by law. A trial is to be conducted within sixty days.
If he is committed after the civil court proceeding, which may include a jury trial, Morrow would likely be assigned to a special treatment unit at the Oakdale Medical and Classification Center near Iowa City. The treatment program is run by the Department of Human Services. Annual reviews of the commitment are required by the Iowa law.
To be eligible for the sexually violent predator program, offenders must first be screened and referred by a Multi-Disciplinary Committee in the Department of Corrections and recommended to the Attorney General's Office for commitment by a Prosecutors Review Committee.


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