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State of Decay 2 Review – Kill, supply, build, repeat
Reviewed May 17, 2018 on Xbox One X
State of Decay 2 features hordes of undead creatures roaming around just waiting to take a bite, but it would be a mistake to simply rule it out as "just another zombie game". Indeed, there are zeds to kill and plenty of tropes that you'd expect from the genre, but State of Decay 2 is about survival and the community that you can build when you band together with others. There are certainly some adrenaline pumping moments which quickly remind you that your life is at risk, but everything you do is impacted by those you choose to have around you – and those you choose not to. A vast improvement over the original, it's still an imperfect experience, but one that keeps leaving me hungry for more, even after the credits have rolled and the zombie death count is well into the thousands.
For anyone who played the original State of Decay back in 2013 (or the Year One Survival Edition that released on Xbox One in 2015), the core gameplay loop that was so successful then remains just as satisfying today in the sequel. Early on, you'll choose from some randomly generated character scenarios, head to your first home base and are tasked with the goal of building your community from scratch. You'll need to gather resources to build, find medical supplies and food, help survivors and recruit them to fight alongside you, all the while doing so with zombies knocking down your door at every opportunity.
Undead Labs have learned from their initial outing and made some worthy enhancements to the gameplay that make the micro-management of your community exciting rather than tedious, including a lot more focus on characters and their backstory. You're able to switch between the survivors in your community at any time you wish, and they come with different strengths and weaknesses that need to be kept in mind. In fact, you'll have to share the love, as they will become exhausted from too much activity, injured from a scuffle or potentially even infected by the ominous blood plague. Having a solid roster of people that you can draw from becomes important quickly, so helping survivors that are out there in need of support is vital to your survival.
A major improvement is that these characters actually have personalities beyond their stats. From small comments they make about their past to fully fledged side quests, I genuinely cared about several of the survivors and wanted to see them flourish. While the main mission is to rid the map of the blood plague, I appreciated diversions that had me trying to find lost family members or one side quest in particular which had my character, a singer, trying to track down lyrics to a song that his band had written so that it could be used as a motivational tool back at my home base. These personal motivations had me connecting with them more than I thought I would, making the threat of losing them all the more stressful.
You see, if any of your characters die out in the world in State of Decay 2, that really is the end for them. The skills you've been working on with them and the connection you form means nothing and they become merely a corpse, or a zombie that must be hunted and killed to regain your supplies. It's an interesting take on permadeath, where it doesn't mean "game over" but still creates a feeling of loss. It's devastating to have someone fall, backed up by your community that will grieve for the loss. The looming idea that characters can fall turns even the simplest of supply runs into a hazardous expedition, so it's important to ensure you're well stocked before leaving your base.
Much like The Walking Dead television series, something as simple as gathering resources can get out of hand if you're not careful. If a horde of zombies happens to be wandering past as you're searching an abandoned shop, you can find yourself cornered and overrun. All it takes is a mistake or two and your character can be lost, which makes for some anxiety-inducing stuff in the best way. It makes you more tactical about every decision you make; do you need to search every container? If you're outnumbered, should you resort to a gun which could draw more zombies to your location with the noise it makes? Do you even have enough fuel in your car to get home?
"…life is fragile and a simple wrong decision can lead to an untimely demise."
Decisions you make are important, too. I had a conversation with another group who, based on our initial interaction, simply wanted to discuss the sharing of resources. When I casually approached them thinking it was a simple fetch-quest scenario, the dialogue option I chose led them to turn on me, and before I knew it I was gunned down and tragically killed, losing a character I'd gotten to know and like. It felt unfair, but in a way that makes complete sense in this universe, where life is fragile and a simple wrong decision can lead to an untimely demise.
Zombies might not always be your focus, but they are absolutely always a threat. The more you progress, the more different types you'll encounter, and it doesn't take long before the risk versus reward mechanics really come into play. There's your standard zeds, but there's also blood plague zombies with red glowing eyes that are far more vicious and can cause infection. Screamers are incredibly irritating, shrieking so loud they knock you to the ground and call other zeds to your location. Then there's Bloaters who explode with a toxic gas when killed, Ferals that make your life even more difficult with their speed and endurance, plus the daunting Juggernaut that stomps loudly as it chases you down, trying to crush you. These different types are usually fine to deal with on their own, but any combination can make for a serious challenge. A horde? Okay. A horde with two screamers and a Juggernaut just a couple of blocks away? Run. Run fast and don't look back.
As I said earlier, the core gameplay loop in State of Decay 2 revolves around collecting resources and materials to help your base thrive. You need to make sure you're well stocked on basics like food, or your community will be unhappy. Low morale can cause all sorts of problems, like in-fighting and slower recovery time, making attacks on your home base tricky to deal with. You can move to better locations once you've earned enough reputation to do so, allowing you to expand your community, adding additional spaces for more beds, a medical facility, extra defence, larger storage areas and more. The upgrading of the base becomes addictive in and of itself, especially if you like micro-managing.
Searching containers for resources does take a bit longer than I'd like, often having me resort to a "fast search" that comes with the risk of making noise which attracts zombies. There are moments where the pacing does feel a bit slow, including some vehicles and character movement that has you schlepping across the map at a crawl. Hand-to-hand combat can also be sluggish, without much variety or combos. It's simply mashing the attack button until a zombie dies and then moving on to the next target, one after the other.
State of Decay 2 is also not a pretty game. Not that the zombie apocalypse would be pretty to begin with. Textures take a while to load in, the world is very much a brown and green style of colour palate and character models don't have a lot of life or facial expressions to them. While this is an Xbox One exclusive, don't mistake it for a game with a AAA budget. This is an indie with a fresh coat of paint, which means the imperfections still rear their ugly head on occasion. While there will likely be a day one patch and future patches to address issues, there are currently zombies that float above the ground before dropping into the map, followers who disappear when you change characters, car physics that just don't make sense and also clipping issues and pop-in.
These glitches may be immersion breaking, but are easy to laugh off when you're playing with a mate. The game features co-op with up to four players, and exploring the map for resources and destroying zombie infestations is much more enjoyable when you have a friend by your side. You can drop in to a friend's community and help make their community thrive, using characters from your own community to assist. The supplies you gather will be added to your own personal pool for use later with some minor rewards provided for helping, but it's vastly superior relying on another player to help you with a tricky mission than it is relying on the AI.
One night, my buddy and I were doing one of our routine runs – gather some supplies, take out an infestation to increase morale… that sort of thing. We went into a building and killed a few zeds. Easy. We searched through some supplies for a few minutes while we were bantering about which location we'd head to next and what resources we were looking for. I stepped outside to head back to the car with a rucksack of food and turned around to see not just one horde, but three hordes combined lumbering in our direction. A zed lunged at me from behind and had me fight it off as the 25+ zombies approached. "DREW", I yelled to my mate through the mic. "We have to go NOW". I ran to the car and started the engine. He stepped outside, confused. "……OH SHIT!!".
We escaped with our lives. Barely. My character had a slither of health left with no time to heal. Even our car barely had enough fuel to make it home to resupply. Despite the flaws and the very real focus on home base, there are still classic zombie movie moments like this that are trademark of the genre. It's moments like these, shared with friends, that will keep me coming back to State of Decay 2 long after my community has survived and thrived.
Addictive gameplay loop
Characters you care about
Threat of zeds is always there
Co-op is a lot of fun
Can be repetitive at times
Some glitches need ironing out
The repetitive nature of gathering supplies to keep the morale of your community high will either prove to be a frustrating endeavour for you or a premise that will keep you hooked for many hours. The end game sees you repeating this process in a new environment, hopefully having learned from your past mistakes to build an even stronger base than before. The addition of co-op makes State of Decay 2 all the more enticing for anyone who thinks surviving the zombie apocalypse with your friends by your side is a good time. The experience isn't as polished as it could be, but the combination of resource gathering, base management, killing zeds and surviving in this harsh and threatening world makes for an incredibly satisfying experience. State of Decay 2 may not reinvent the wheel, but it's still bloody satisfying to watch it spin.


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Wembley, London, England, UK
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UK Music Hall of Fame 2005 as a member of The Who.
Spring Byington
actor, hall of fame
Spring Dell Byington
Colorado Springs, Colorado, USA
TV series December Bride, Laramie. Movie You Can't Take It with You
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Karen Christence Dinesen, Baroness Blixen-Finecke
Pierre Andrézel
Karen von Blixen-Finecke
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Rungsted, Zealand, Denmark
Book Out of Africa, the basis for the movie Out of Africa
Glenn Scobey Warner
Springville, New York, USA
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baseball, murdered
Arthur Lawrence Raymond
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Real Men Will, by Victoria Dahl
>> Saturday, March 17, 2012
TITLE: Real Men Will
AUTHOR: Victoria Dahl
PUBLISHER: HQN
SETTING: Contemporary US
TYPE: Romance
SERIES: 3rd in the Donovan Brothers Brewery series
It was meant to be a one-night stand. One night of passion. Scorching-hot. Then Beth Cantrell and Eric Donovan were supposed to go their separate ways. That's the only reason he lied about his name, telling her he was really his wild younger brother. Hiding his identity as the conservative Donovan. The "good one."
But passion has its own logic, and Eric finds he can't forget the sable-haired beauty with whom he shared a night of love. When Beth discovers that Eric has lied, however, she knows he can't be trusted. Her mind tells her to forget the blue-eyed charmer. If only every fiber of her being didn't burn to call him back.
I've been posting my reviews of the 3 books in this series just as I read them, all in one go, and we come to an end with Real Men Will, my favourite out of the whole trilogy. Considering how much I thoroughly enjoyed the first two books (see here and here), that's saying quite a lot!
So, series setup (still being lazy and copying the next two chapters from the earlier posts):
The Donovan Brothers Brewery series is about 3 siblings running a family-owned microbrewery. Eric Donovan was in his early 20s when his parents died in an accident, and he chose to give up the life he was building for himself and go back to the family business. His brother, Jamie, and sister, Tessa, were in their late teens at the time, and even though this wasn't the life Eric would have chosen for himself, he felt keeping the brewery alive for them was the right thing to do.
Some 12 years later, all three are still involved in the brewery, but there are issues. Things haven't been easy over the years, with Jamie often making bad decisions and Eric becoming increasingly rigid and dismissive with him, refusing to take him seriously when Jamie talks about taking on more responsibility. Faced with this situation, Tessa has taken on the role of peacemaker, manipulating things behind the scenes to minimise the conflict between her brothers, always afraid that if she doesn't, the family will fall apart.
In Bad Boys Do, the always conflictive relationship between Jamie and Eric came to a bit of a head. Eric had to recognise that Jamie wasn't a bad boy troublemaker any longer, and that he was ready to take on much more responsibility at the brewery. Their relationship is still tense, though, especially because Eric is finding it very hard to let go of all the responsibilities he's been shouldering for all those years. He feels at a bit of a loss at work, and offers of help keep being taken by Jamie as meaning his brother still doesn't trust him. It doesn't help that Eric sometimes backslides a bit and his first reaction to is to assume Jamie has screwed up.
But the roles are reversed dramatically when a woman comes into the brewery one night and asks for Jamie Donovan, with whom she's recently had a one-night-stand. Eric's initial reaction of "Jamie's screwed up again" gives way to intense embarrassment when he realises the woman is none other than Beth Cantrell, which means that the "Jamie Donovan" with whom she's slept is none other than Eric himself, using his brother's name and ladykiller reputation. And worse: now his brother and sister know he did that.
Oh, this was absolutely fantastic. Eric had been a fascinating character throughout the first two books, and his book delivered even more than I had been hoping. When I say he was fascinating, it's because he inspired such contradictory feelings in me. He clearly loves his brother and sister and has given up a lot for them, but at the same time, he can be an unbending, rigid ass. He's certainly shown that in previous books, and I couldn't blame Jamie, especially, for wanting to strangle him sometimes. Eric is very flawed, and I loved seeing him get a wake-up call.
And what a wake-up call it was, too. He acted completely out of character with Beth and is completely ashamed of his behaviour, but at the same time, it was the hottest thing that has happened to him in a while, if not ever. I liked that Dahl takes him very close to the sleazy line with his behaviour, but I couldn't help but understand the impulse to do what he did, the need to step out of the responsible, steady Eric, if only for one night, and for me, this kept him on the right side of the line.
Beth is obviously none too happy when she finds out about Eric's little deception, so their relationship doesn't start out well. But it does start, slowly, and in a way that I found completely believable. Overcoming this initial violation of trust is a big obstacle for them on the way to becoming a couple, of course (especially because of some things in Beth's past), but the disconnect between Beth's occupation and her natural tendencies ends up being just as big an issue, which made the book even better.
Beth, you see, runs a sex shop. It's a very tasteful, upscale one, devoted to empowering women, but a sex shop, nonetheless, and that creates expectations about her. People make assumptions. In a twist I really enjoyed, Dahl doesn't go with the "people think she's a slut!!" assumption as an issue (well, some people do, but not many). Beth hangs out with some cool people, so the default assumption is that she is some sort of sex goddess, who's done it all and will expect true greatness from any man she takes to her bed. A sex advice column the store publish in a local paper as a promo thing, written mostly by Beth's colleagues, but published under her name, kind of encourages these assumptions.
Problem is, Beth is actually as vanilla as they come in her preferences. She has got absolutely no problem with people around her having more alternative leanings and being wild and adventurous about them, she just doesn't share them, and the whole sex goddess thing is just as intimidating for her as it is for Eric. Dahl strikes the perfect balance with this, I thought. It would have been easy to make Beth or, especially, Eric, sound a bit judgmental about this whole thing, but neither of them was, they were just quite traditional in their tastes, and feeling a bit pressured by the expectations. I loved seeing them work it out.
As in the previous two books, the family drama was just as superior as the romance. There is quite a lot of exploration of why Eric feels he has to do so much, which has turned him into such an unbending older brother, and it all made perfect sense. I felt all choked up quite a few times while I was reading this, as I could really feel Eric's pain. It's not easy for him to change, but by the end of the book, I felt the three siblings were headed in the right direction. There will be plenty of fights in the future, sure, but they'll be ok.
MY GRADE: An A-.
Posted by Rosario on Saturday, March 17, 2012
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THE COSTS OF ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION TO CALIFORNIANS
Federation for American Immigration Reform ^ | November 2004 | Editors
Posted on 02/08/2005 2:55:55 AM PST by Robert Drobot
Analysis of the latest Census data indicates that California's illegal immigrant population is costing the state's taxpayers more than $10.5 billion per year for education, medical care and incarceration. Even if the estimated tax contributions of illegal immigrant workers are subtracted, net outlays still amount to nearly $9 billion per year. The annual fiscal burden from those three areas of state expenditures amounts to about $1,183 per household headed by a native-born resident.
This analysis looks specifically at the costs to the state for education, health care and incarceration resulting from illegal immigration. These three are the largest cost areas, and they are the same three areas analyzed in a 1994 study conducted by the Urban Institute, which provides a useful baseline for comparison ten years later. Other studies have been conducted in the interim, showing trends that support the conclusions of this report.
As this report will note, other significant costs associated with illegal immigration exist and should be taken into account by federal and state officials. But, even without accounting for all of the numerous areas in which costs associated with illegal immigration are being incurred by California taxpayers, the programs analyzed in this study indicate that the burden is substantial and that the costs are rapidly increasing.
The more than $10.1 billion in costs incurred by California taxpayers is composed of outlays in the following areas:
Education. Based on estimates of the illegal immigrant population in California and documented costs of K-12 schooling, Californians spend approximately $7.7 billion annually on education for illegal immigrant children and for their U.S.-born siblings. Nearly 15 percent of the K-12 public school students in California are children of illegal aliens.
Health care. Uncompensated medical outlays for health care provided to the state's illegal alien population amount to about $1.4 billion a year.
Incarceration. The cost of incarcerating illegal aliens in California's prisons and jails amounts to about $1.4 billion a year (not including related law enforcement and judicial expenditures or the monetary costs of the crimes that led to their incarceration). State and local taxes paid by the unauthorized immigrant population go toward offsetting these costs, but they do not come near to matching the expenses. The total of such payments can generously be estimated at about $1.6 billion per year.
The fiscal costs of illegal immigration do not end with these three major cost areas. The total costs of illegal immigration to the state's taxpayers would be considerably higher if other cost areas such as special English instruction, school feeding programs, or welfare benefits for American workers displaced by illegal alien workers were added into the equation.
While the primary responsibility for combating illegal immigration rests with the federal government, there are many measures that state and local governments can take to combat the problem. Californians should not be expected to assume this already large and growing burden from illegal immigration simply because businesses or other special interests benefit from being able to employ lower cost workers. The state must adopt measures to systematically collect information on illegal alien use of taxpayer-funded services and on where they are employed. Policies could then be pursued to hold employers financially accountable.
The state could also enter into a cooperative agreement with the federal government for training local law enforcement personnel in immigration law so that illegal immigrants apprehended for criminal activities may be turned over to immigration authorities for removal from the country. Similarly, local officials who have adopted "sanctuary" measures that shield illegal aliens from being reported to the immigration authorities should be urged to repeal them.
The full report is available in HTML as well as pdf.
TOPICS: Business/Economy; Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Government; Mexico; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Arizona; US: California; US: Colorado; US: New Mexico; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: aliens; bayroid; burden; citizens; crime; criminals; education; illegal; illegalcourts; illegalgovernment; immigration; localjails; money; pc; pimpingforillegals; police; prisons; tancretoids; taxes; taxpayers; trespassers
Wake up America. The illegals are coming to your wake. You're in the box, and you won't care until they begin to close the lid; by then it will be to late.
Narcissism or Americanism there is no difference today, and is the primary cause of the cancer that is killing the greatest political experiment mankind has ever produced.
The words of Mark Antony in William Shakespeare's "Julius Caesar," come to mind: "The evil that men do lives after them, The good is oft interred with their bones."
1 posted on 02/08/2005 2:55:56 AM PST by Robert Drobot
To: Robert Drobot
Perhaps one of the reasons it is cheaper to ire illegals, is that many of their needs are met by the taxpayers, instead of their employers. That would make a great headline in the Bee or even the Times (God forbid).
2 posted on 02/08/2005 3:06:47 AM PST by David Isaac
THE COSTS OF ILLEGAL... (NAFTA)... IMMIGRATION TO CALIFORNIANS
(This has NOTHING to do with the 'INS')
3 posted on 02/08/2005 3:09:32 AM PST by maestro
To: David Isaac
Bingo. The 'Real' cost of Illegals is hidden. The only real beneficiary as far as I can tell is the Employer who manages to shift substantial costs to others where they are very well hidden but nonetheless paid.
4 posted on 02/08/2005 3:17:49 AM PST by drt1
American politicians are raping the voters...and this is what you get....
5 posted on 02/08/2005 3:23:18 AM PST by Route101
To: All
California State Population 35,484,453
Population Increase 1990-2000 4,111,627
Foreign-Born Population 8,864,255
Percent Foreign-Born 26.2%
Illegal Resident Population 2,200,0001
2025 Population Projection 49,285,000
(All numbers are from the U.S. Census Bureau unless otherwise noted.)
Additional Census Bureau, INS, and other immigration-related data are available for California.
Immigration-driven population growth is taking its toll on California, which has not just the greatest number of immigrants of any state but also more than twice as many as the next leading state. California is home to 28 percent of the nation's immigrants (versus ten percent of the U.S.-born population).
"California's population, currently at 36 million, likely will double within the lifetime of today's schoolchildren … Demographic studies after the 2000 census revealed that from 1990 to 2000, immigrants and their children accounted not for just some, or even most, of California's growth. They accounted for virtually all of it … [I]mmigration, more than any other factor, will probably determine how crowded and environmentally unsustainable California becomes in the years ahead."2
Profile in Numbers - Population Growth
At 33.9 million people, California had the largest population gain of any state in the country during the past decade. Between 1990 and 2000, California's population increased by 14 percent, adding 4.1 million people. The state's population increase accounted for 13 percent of the country's population increase between 1990 and 2000.
California's population reached 35,934,000 on July 1, 2003, according to official population estimates released by the state Department of Finance.3
In 2000, California had 217 people per square mile (173 percent higher than the national average of 79.6), up from 191 people per square mile in 1990.4
Foreign-Born Population
California has the largest foreign-born population in the country. Between 1990 and 2000, California's foreign-born population increased by 2.4 million people, bringing its total foreign-born population to 8.9 million.5 This is a 37 percent increase over the 1990 total foreign-born population of 6.5 million people.6
Immigrants now make up 27 percent of the state's population, well above the national rate of 12 percent, and for the first time, immigrants now make up a larger portion of California's population than newcomers from other states.7
About 15.9 million people in California are immigrants or the children of immigrants—nearly half of all state residents.8
Immigration and Your Community
FAIR has immigration data for local communities in California as well. See our full listing of pages about California for information about your locality.
Trends for the Future
The Census Bureau's middle series projection estimates that California's population will increase by 52 percent between 2000 and 2025, to 49 million.
In a Public Policy Institute poll released May 21, 82 percent said the state's projected population increase would make California a less desirable place to live.9
Impact on Environment and Quality of Life
Traffic: California already has five of the nation's 20 most congested metro areas, and traffic jams statewide cost $21 billion a year in lost time and wasted fuel, according to the Texas Transportation Institute. The state's official forecast says the number of miles driven on Los Angeles and Orange County roads will increase 40 percent by 2020. In San Bernardino County, driving will grow 86 percent by 2020, but officials say they can afford just 10 percent more highway capacity. In Sacramento, even with $15 billion in planned road improvements, congestion will increase by 400 percent in the next 20 years.10 In the San Fernando Valley area, the average morning rush-hour speed of 31 mph is expected to fall to 16 mph by 2025. 11
In Los Angeles, which has been the most traffic-choked urban area in the country for 16 years in a row, rush-hour drivers lose 90 hours in traffic delays each year. San Francisco comes in second, with 68 hours lost annually. 12 The total vehicle miles traveled in the region almost doubled in the last 20 years. 13
Disappearing open space: Population growth increases housing needs and generally causes greater development of open space and sprawl. Although California was once home to five million acres of wetlands, today only 454,000 acres survive—a loss of over 90 percent.14 The total number of housing units in California increased by over one million units during the 1990s.15,16 An area equivalent to one and a half times the size of Rhode Island was paved over in California during that period.17,18 The California Department of Housing and Community Development found that Los Angeles and Orange Counties do not have a sufficient amount of developable land in order to accommodate population growth in the next 20 years. 19 To meet the needs of its expanding population, California will need 4.3 million more housing units by 2020, says the Center for Continuing Study of the California Economy, guaranteeing that open space will continue to vanish.20
Farmland Loss: The Central Valley, which provides half of all fruits and vegetables to America, is the most threatened farm region in the country due to its massive population increase, according to American Farmland Trust. In the past 20 years, over two million people have moved to the region, shrinking cropland by 500,000 acres.21 The valley's current population of 5.5 million is expected to grow to 12.5 million by 2040, reducing farmland by another one million to 2.5 million acres.22
Crowded housing: A rise in crowded housing often correlates with an increase in the number of foreign-born. 23, 24 California's number of severely crowded households increased by 42 percent, to 1,048,000, in 2000. This was nine percent of all households. 25,26
California has the most crowded cities in the country, as measured by the percentage of packed households. Of the 50 cities with the highest percentage of crowded homes, 39 are in California. 27 Los Angeles County has the highest rate of severe crowding in the U.S., at 15 percent. 28 In the Los Angeles-Riverside-Orange County area, 12 percent of all households are considered severely crowded. 29 Santa Ana, which is more densely populated than New York or Los Angeles and has the nation's second highest percentage of immigrant residents, 20 percent of housing falls below city codes. 30 Experts say the trend in California is being driven by immigrants who come for jobs but can't afford the rents. Families move in together and often take boarders to help pay rents or mortgages. So many people living in single-family homes strains services such as trash collection, schools, and public safety.
Lack of affordable housing: Every year, California builds about 140,000 new places for people to live. Every year, that's 80,000 short, say state housing officials. Only one in three Californians can afford a median-priced home of more than $250,000. The state's Department of Housing and Community Development warns of extreme shortages in years ahead. 31
Nine of the ten least affordable housing markets in the nation are in California. 32 The National Low Income Housing Coalition says that California is the least affordable state for renters seeking two-bedroom apartments. 33 Both renters and homeowners in California devote a larger share of their incomes to housing than their counterparts in almost all states. Nearly half of California's renters spend 30 percent or more of their incomes on rent. More than a fifth of all homeowners in the state spend more than 40 percent of their income on their mortgage and other housing costs. 34 California workers who earn minimum wage must work 126 hours per week in order to afford a two-bedroom unit at the area's fair market rent. California's housing wage (the amount a full-time worker must earn per hour to afford a two-bedroom apartment at fair market rent) is $21.18, but its minimum wage is $6.75. 35 It's more than twice as difficult to afford a home in the state compared with the rest of the country, according to the California Association of Realtors. 36
Poverty: Poverty increased more in California than anywhere else in the country in the past decade. Most of the new pockets of poverty were in areas with large immigrant populations. 37 A RAND report finds: "A declining demand for low-skill workers combined with a continuing influx of low-skill immigrants has increased competition for low-skill jobs within the state and has hurt the earnings of some low-skill workers. It has also contributed to a growing disparity between the wages of foreign- and native-born workers." 38
The plentiful supply of low-wage immigrant labor has lowered average incomes overall, says a labor specialist with the Public Policy Institute of California. 39 Southern California's poverty is extending to suburbs long seen as refuges from urban problems. Riverside County saw a 63 percent rise in poverty and San Bernardino County a 51 percent increase. 40
In Los Angeles, where more than 40 percent of residents were born in another country, 22 percent live at the poverty level, up from 19 percent a decade earlier. Nearly one-third of the city's residents say they can't speak English "very well." One in ten adults in the region has six years of education or less, 41 and 19 percent of those over age 24 have less than a ninth-grade education. 42
Nearly three-fifths of the poor children in California are immigrants. The poverty rate for immigrant children (29 percent) is higher than the rate for non-immigrant children (17 percent). 43
Health Care: In 1994's Proposition 187, California voters banned the use of tax money to provide non-emergency care to illegal aliens, but a U.S. District Judge overturned the ballot proposition in 1999. California now provides both legal and illegal aliens with Emergency Medicaid, pre-natal care, and nursing home care. 44
As the state cuts its health care budget to try to make ends meet, the increase in uncompensated care for immigrants has forced some hospitals to reduce staff, increase rates, cut back services, and close maternity wards and trauma centers. In the last decade, 60 California emergency rooms have closed. 45 California hospital losses totaled $390 million in 2001, up from $325 million in 2000 and $316 million in 1999. The crisis reaches throughout the state, with 80 percent of emergency departments reporting losses. 46
One-third of the patients treated by the Los Angeles county health system each year are illegal aliens, according to county health officials. In 2002, the county spent $350 million providing health care to illegal aliens, according to the Department of Health Services. Officials said that if that money had been available, the county could have avoided the closure of 16 health clinics and possibly two hospitals, as well as cuts in services. 47
Scripps Memorial Hospital in Chula Vista estimates that about one quarter of patients who are uninsured and don't pay their bills are illegal aliens. The hospital loses $7 million to $10 million in uncompensated costs.48 Regional Medical Center and Pioneers Memorial Hospital in El Centro, California lost over $1.5 million treating illegal immigrants in 2001. 49
Water: California officials say population growth is outrunning the water supply.50 Each newcomer to the state uses about 140 gallons of water every day.51 Water officials predict that by 2020 the state will be short by between 2.4 million and 6 million acre-feet of water (an acre-foot is about enough water to supply two typical families for a year).52 Under the worst-case scenario, cities could be forced to reduce their reliance on local ground water from 75 percent to 57 percent, making up the difference with higher-priced imported water, which will increase household water bills.53
"Every official California water plan projects a huge gap between need and supply," says former Illinois Senator Paul Simon, author of a book on water shortages. "Symbolic of California's problems is the story of Owens Lake. Early in this century, Los Angeles-area water authorities understood that they'd face problems as the population grew, so they purchased the third-largest body of water in the state, Owens Lake. Today it is called Owens Dry Lake, because L.A. has sucked it dry."54
Air Pollution: Southern California has the worst air in the nation, and the state's children have the country's highest rates of asthma.55 In San Bernardino County, the cancer risk simply from breathing is 1,400 per million people—the EPA's standard for acceptable cancer risk is one in a million.56 If the South Coast Air Quality Management District doesn't dramatically lower pollutions levels by 2006, the EPA could impose major sanctions on the region, including billions of dollars in lost highway funds, commuter restrictions, and shortened hours of operation for industry.57
Impact of Immigration on Education
Half of all children in California have at least one immigrant parent. Nearly one in ten are foreign-born themselves. 58 California spends almost $2.2 billion annually to educate illegal immigrant students in grades K-12—enough to pay the salaries of 41,764 teachers, or 14 percent of California's teachers. 59
California schools are the most crowded in the nation, and classes often exceed 35 students per teacher (18 is considered ideal). 60 And they will continue to grow: While school enrollment is projected to increase by only four percent nationally between 2001 and 2013, California is expecting a 16 percent increase. 61
Lack of space forces some students to attend class on school stages or in the gym. 62 Yet the state is still adding 100,000 new students each year. 63 The state Department of Education estimates that 19 new classrooms will need to be built every day, seven days a week, for the next five years. 64 The number of teachers will need to be doubled within ten years, meaning that 300,000 new educators will need to be hired. 65
In Los Angeles, where schools are so crowded that some have lengthened the time between classes to give students time to make their way through packed halls, 66 crowding in the next decade is projected to become so severe that some schools will have to hold double sessions (one in the morning and one in the afternoon) and Saturday classes. Even if the district builds 86 new schools, all 49 existing high schools will still have to adopt year-round schedules to keep pace with enrollment increases. 67
California's Class Size Reduction program calls for adding thousands of new K-3 teachers, but finding classroom space has proved impossible in some areas. Many schools have had to give up libraries, art and music classrooms, and science and computer labs to create additional space. 68 The West Contra Costa school district is eliminating all sports, libraries, and counselors from its high schools to save money.69
Illegal Immigration in California 2,209,000 illegal aliens resided in California in 2000, according to the government's immigration figures. Thirty-two percent of all illegal immigrants live in California, making the state home to the largest population of illegal immigrants in the country. The number of illegal aliens has increased ten percent since 1996 and 53 percent since 1992. 70
Illegal immigration cost California taxpayers $8 billion in 1996, the latest year for which a full figure is available. 71 California's border counties incurred $79 million in emergency care for illegal aliens, the highest cost in the country. 72 San Diego County paid $50.3 million during 1999 for criminal justice services and medical care related to illegal aliens. Imperial County spent $5.4 million on illegal aliens in 1999, according to a study on behalf of the United States-Mexico Border Counties Coalition. It costs each person living legally in San Diego and Imperial counties about $18.56 per year to pay for the costs incurred by illegal immigration. 73
California incarcerates the m most illegal immigrants in the nation. 74 State authorities requested compensation of $600 million from the federal government in FY '99 for the incarceration of illlegal aliens in state and local jails and prisons (under the federal State criminal alien Assistance Program, or SCAAP), but it rec3eived only $240 million in compensation, leaving $360 million in uncompensated costs to be borne by state taxpayers. (This is the latest year for which full data is available, but federal SCAAP payments have been shrinking overall.) San Bernardino County alone spends more than $2.6 million to house illegal immigrants in its jails.75
1 "Estimates of the Unauthorized Immigrant Population Residing in the United States: 1990-2000," Office of Policy Planning, U.S. Immigration and Naturalization Service, January 2003.
2 Lee Green, "Infinite Ingress: A Human Wave Is Breaking Over California," Los Angeles Times, January 25, 2004.
3 "State Releases Population Figures," San Mateo County Times, February 13, 2004.
4 "Table 1. Land Area, Population, and Density for States and Counties: 1990," 1990 Census, U.S. Census Bureau.
5 "Table DP-1-4, Profile of General Demographic Characteristics: 2000," Census 2000, U.S. Census Bureau.
6 "Table DP-1-4, Profile of General Demographic Characteristics: 1990," 1990 Census, U.S. Census Bureau. American Community Survey, U.S. Census Bureau, September 2003.
7 "Table 4-1A, Nativity and Parentage of the Population for Regions, Divisions, and States: 2000," 2000 Current Population Survey, U.S. Census Bureau.
8 Martin Kasindorf, "Calif. Dreams Itself into a Corner," USA Today, June 18, 2001.
9 Jim Wasserman, "2020 Traffic Report: Growth Means More Time Behind the Wheel for Everyone," Associated Press, September 19, 2002.
10 Lisa Mascaro, "Looming Traffic Crisis," Daily News of Los Angeles, August 4, 2002.
11 Lisa Mascaro, "Worst in the Nation: L.A. Commuters Each Year Lose 90 Hours in Gridlock," Daily News of Los Angeles, October 1, 2003
12 "Sprawl Hits the Wall," Southern California Studies Center, University of Southern California, Brookings Institution Center on Urban and Metropolitan Policy, 2001.
13 Water Resources in California," U.S. Geological Survey, at http://water.wr.usgs.gov/wetland/
14 "Table DP-1-4, Profile of General Demographic Characteristics: 2000," Census 2000, U.S. Census Bureau.
15 "Table DP-1-4, Profile of General Demographic Characteristics: 1990," 1990 Census, U.S. Census Bureau.
16 "Table 1—Surface Area of Nonfederal and Federal Land and Water Areas, by Sate and Year," Summary Report, 1997 National Resources Inventory, revised December 2000, U.S Department of Agriculture.
17 Between 1992 and 1997, an average of 110,000 acres were paved over each year. This is more than 170 square miles a year, or about 1,700 square miles between 1990 and 2000. Southern California Studies Center, op. cit.
18 Martin Kasindorf, op. cit.
19 Daniel Wood, "The Limits of Sprawl: Massive Influx of People is Pushing California Toward a Meltdown," San Jose Mercury News, March 7, 2000.
21 Haya El Nasser, "U.S. Neighborhoods Grow More Crowded," USA Today, July 7, 2002.
22 Randy Capps, "Hardship Among Children of Immigrants: Findings from the 1999 National Survey of America's Families," Urban Institute, 2001.
24 "Table DP-1-4, Profile of General Demographic Characteristics: 1990," 1990 Census, U.S. Census Bureau. Sandra Marquez, "California Leads Nation in Number of People Per Household," Associated Press, June 15, 2002. Haya El Nasser, "U.S. Neighborhoods Grow More Crowded," USA Today, July 2, 2002.
25 "Table DP-4, Profile of General Demographic Characteristics: 2000," American Factfinder , U.S. Census Bureau.
26 Jennifer Mena, "California: In Housing Density, It's Too Close for Comfort," Los Angeles Times, September 15, 2003.
27 Jim Wasserman, "California Suffers Housing Shortage," The Columbian, July 22, 2001.
28 "Santa Cruz Now Has Nation's Least-Affordable Housing," Associated Press, January 18, 2002.
29 Paul Chavez, "Californians' Rising Rents, Minimum Wage Prompt Calls for Reform," Associated Press, October 4, 2001.
30 Stuart Silverstein, and Lee Romney, "Middle-Class Families Put in Economic Bind," Los Angeles Times, August 6, 2001.
31 "Out of Reach," National Low Income Housing Coalition, 2003.
32Simon Avery, "State Housing Affordability Plummets in April," Associated Press, June 6, 2002.
33 Leonel Sanchez, "Poverty Expands Its Reach," San Diego Union-Tribune, May 18, 2003.
34 Kevin McCarthy and Georges Veruez, Immigration in a Changing Economy, RAND, 1997.
35 Don Lee, "L.A. County Jobs Surge Since '93, But Not Wages," Los Angeles Times, July 26, 1999.
36 Peter Hong, Marla Dickerson, and Nancy Cleeland, "Southland's Average Family Income Dropped in the '90s," Los Angeles Times, May 15, 2002.
37 Nancy Cleeland, "L.A. Workers Held Back by Low Education Rate," Los Angeles Times, February 5, 2002.
38 Beth Barrett, "Poverty Rates Climb in Los Angeles, Census Figures Show," Los Angeles Daily News, May 15, 2002. "The Changing Face of Child Poverty in California," National Center for Children in Poverty, Columbia University, August 2002.
39 "Medical Emergency: Costs of Uncompensated Care in Southwest Border Counties," US-Mexico Border Counties Coalition, September 2002.
40 "A System in Crisis, More ERs Shut; Losses Grow," California Medical Association, 2003.
41 Press Release, "CMA's Annual ER Financial Report: Hospital Losses Reached $390 Million in 2001," California Medical Association, February 27, 2003.
42 Charlie LeDuff, "Los Angeles County Weighs Cost of Illegal Immigration," New York Times, May 21, 2003.
43 Emily Bazar, "Border Hospitals Claim Money Ills," Sacramento Bee, February 8, 2003.
44 Jerry Seper, "Mexican Medics Take Sick to U.S.," Washington Times, December 12, 2002.
45 Kathleen Sweeney, "California Water Officials Plan for Future Droughts," Daily News of Los Angeles, January 27, 2002.
46 Seema Mehta, "O.C. Sees Cheap Water Era Ending," Los Angeles Times, September 29, 2002.
47 Kathleen Sweeney, op. cit.
48 Seema Mehta, op. cit.
49 "Are We Running Dry?" Parade, August 23, 1998.
50 Carla Rivers, "Study Examines Changing Picture of Health Coverage for Children," Los Angeles Times, November 19, 2003.
51 Andrew Silva, "Bad Air Comes Back," San Bernardino Sun, September 6, 2003.
52 Conor Friedersdorf, "AQMD to Weight Pollutant Proposal," San Bernardino Sun, July 9, 2003.
53 "Check Points," Urban Institute, September 2, 2000.
54 Breaking the Piggy Bank: How Illegal Immigration is Sending Schools Into the Red, Federation for American Immigration Reform, August 2003.
55 Thomas Hargrove, "U.S. School Building Boom Fails to Meet Need," Scripps Howard News Service, March 8, 2001. "Projections of Education Statistics to 2013," National Center for Education Statistics, U.S. Department of Education.
56 Thomas Hargrove, Ibid.
57 Ellen Lee, "McGrath Provides Answer to Space Question," Contra Costa Times, June 12, 2001.
58 Lee Green, "Infinite Ingress: A Human Wave Is Breaking Over California," Los Angeles Times, January 25, 2004.
59 "UC Teacher Recruitment and Preparation," Office of the President, University of California, at http://www.ucop.edu/ucophome/commserv/FS0001TeachTrain.pdf .
60 Michelle Locke, "Running Out of Room at the Hotel California?" Associated Press, May 26, 2001.
61 Harrison Sheppard, "Crowding Becoming Crisis," Daily News of Los Angeles, February 18, 2001.
62 "The Debate Over Class Size," Education World, February 23, 1998.
63 Erika Hayasaki and Patrick Dillon, "School District Shuts Out Sports," Los Angeles Times, March 11, 2004.
64 "Estimates of the Unauthorized Immigrant Population Residing in the United States: 1990-2000," Office of Policy Planning, U.S. Immigration and Naturalization Service, January 2003.
65 The Net National Costs of Immigration: Fiscal Effects of Welfare Restorations to Legal immigrants, Donald Huddle, October 30, 1997.
66 Robert Gehrke, "Emergency Care for Undocumented Immigrants Costs $200 Million, Study Finds," Associated Press, September 27, 2002.
67 Jo Moreland, "Study: County Pays $50M Annually in Border Costs," North County Times, February 6, 2002.
68 Joe Cantlupe, "Higher Reimbursements Sought for Jailing of Criminal Aliens," San Diego Union-Tribune, March 26, 2003.
69 Claire Vitucci and Bettye Wells Miller, "California Highways Hit Hard," Press-Enterprise, February 5, 2002.
6 posted on 02/08/2005 3:52:40 AM PST by Robert Drobot (God, family, country. All else is meaningless.)
To: Route101
....who is listening.....worst......who is reading?
You are right...tragedy of the worst kind.......
This doesnt mention the cost of the street gangs and their violence.
9 posted on 02/08/2005 4:19:20 AM PST by sgtbono2002
To: drt1
The 'Real' cost of Illegals is hidden. The only real beneficiary as far as I can tell is the Employer who manages to shift substantial costs to others where they are very well hidden but nonetheless paid.
"Privatization of profits and socialization of costs".
10 posted on 02/08/2005 5:09:26 AM PST by A. Pole (Heraclitus: "Nothing endures but change.")
BTTT
11 posted on 02/08/2005 5:20:39 AM PST by Libertina (CPAC here we come! Send me your FR photos for CPAC!)
To: Robert Drobot; All
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12 posted on 02/08/2005 5:40:36 AM PST by kellynla (U.S.M.C. 1st Battalion,5th Marine Regiment, 1st Marine Div. Viet Nam 69&70 Semper Fi)
If I recall is was the Left with the help of the ACLU who went to the courts and forced the state of Ca to continue paying for the illegals expenses
If I recall, they tried doing that in AZ also, but lost
13 posted on 02/08/2005 5:41:11 AM PST by Mo1 (Question to Liberals .. When did supporting and defending Freedom become a bad thing??)
RE: our wake
Decades ago one of America's greatest observers of life Jimmy Durante said, "Everybody wants ta get inta da act!"
Minister presses 'undocumented Irish' case in US. "Minister for Foreign Affairs Dermot Ahern promised to push for the rights of undocumented Irish immigrants tonight as he arrived in the US for a five-day visit."
http://www.eecho.ie/news/bstory.asp?j=132931328&p=y3z93zx34&n=132932088
"It's a castastrophe!" "Surrounded by assassins!"
Yes, Mr. Durante certainly knew the future.
I suppose Mexico, Ireland and others renounced the Vienna Convention on Consular Relations. Article 41 states "1. Without prejudice to their privileges and immunities, it is the duty of all persons enjoying such privileges and immunities to respect the laws and regulations of the receiving State. They also have a duty not to interfere in the internal affairs of that State."
14 posted on 02/08/2005 6:24:47 AM PST by WilliamofCarmichael (MSM Fraudcasters are skid marks on journalism's clean shorts.)
To: gubamyster
Ping.
15 posted on 02/08/2005 6:30:37 AM PST by Marine Inspector (Customs & Border Protection Officer)
no one pays attention. call your congressmanor senator they care even less.
16 posted on 02/08/2005 6:35:45 AM PST by television is just wrong (Our sympathies are misguided with illegal aliens...)
To: Mo1
I want to see the faces of the ACLU. I want to see who these people are. We all keep hearing about them and their demands, but the remain hidden behind a title.
Publish their faces on every newspaper in the country.
There is also the cost of cleaning up the toxic waste left by Meth labs plus the cost of the kids hooked on the crap.
18 posted on 02/08/2005 6:38:42 AM PST by tubebender (Can someone remind me what my Near Years resolutions were...)
To: Robert Drobot; jimrob; Dane; sinkspur; Howlin; bayourod; bayoufraud; nopardons
Just send the bills to Dane, sinkspur, Howlin, bayourod, bayoufraud, nopardons and that bunch. They love the illegals more than they do America, I believe.
Perhaps they all work for the UN, I don't know, but their posts are getting crazier and crazier everyday.
I've got a hunch that Closet Fever is setting in on them. Sure looks that way. It just may be getting to our friend Jim Rob also. My email box was packed full this morning with friends telling me about the recent purgings that have been going on.
Let me ask a question here. Are we spending too much time on these computers snarling at each other? The election has passed, President Bush made it into the White House again as we all knew he would.
This is OUR America, why are we fighting like this? We don't hate each other, do we? I don't hate you, that's for sure.
We may disagree on the next step that needs to be taken, but I can't hate another American who has strong beliefs about why America is the best country in the world and what it takes to keep her at the top. That's what makes America great.
I sure hope nobody is getting so wound up on FR that they are neglecting their wife, husband, children or friends. Is Closet Fever setting in on you? Is that why you wake up with a growl? Fixing it is easy!
Turn the computer off and make a reservation to take the Mrs out to dinner at some cozy hideaway. Let her get all dressed up like Miss America and you strut along proudly with her on your arm. Make all the others so jealous they don't forget the memory you two holding hands sharing a bottle of wine.
Take the kids to their favorite spot, take lots and lots of pictures, laugh harder than you have all year. Make sure there is lots of hugging and love filled teasing going on between you.
Jim Rob, why don't you and the Mrs come on up to Reno for the weekend? The Mrs and I will be glad to put you up in a guest room. We can talk about the old times and what's ahead for us. Share a bottle of good whiskey or a few cold beers. Maybe you'll explain why the purgings are happening so darn frequently, too frequently IMO. Guys like jackelope breeder aren't America's enemies or would he ever cause injury to FR.com.
My sincere invitation to come and visit for a couple of days remains open to you and your wife, Sir.
19 posted on 02/08/2005 7:15:13 AM PST by B4Ranch (Don't remain seated until this ride comes to a full and complete stop! We're going the wrong way!)
To: B4Ranch; Robert Drobot; Dane; sinkspur; Howlin; bayourod; bayoufraud; nopardons
20 posted on 02/08/2005 7:21:13 AM PST by Howlin (It's a great day to be an American -- and a Bush Republican!!!!)


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Bleed Eagles Green: Philadelphia Eagles Blog: Way To Go Commish; Still Interest in Williams and Gonzalez?
Way To Go Commish; Still Interest in Williams and Gonzalez?
They do say that everything is bigger in Texas. So I guess this applies to bad news as well. Another day, another Dallas Cowboy gone.
Adam Jones has been suspended indefinitely (minimum 4 games) by the league today because of an altercation with his team appointed "baby-sitter." Congrats to the Commissioner.
Some people will never learn regardless of how many chances they are given to redeem themselves. Jones is an idiot, spoiled athlete who has always been able to use his football talent as his "get out of jail free card." Not anymore. Jones no longer deserves a helping hand. You don't want to play by the rules and the laws, well time to find out what the real world is like.
What a waste of talent. One can only imagine what future trouble lies ahead for Jones as he is distanced from football.
Per an ESPN.com report the Eagles are still showing interest in both Tony Gonzalez and Roy Williams.
ESPN's Chris Mortensen, attending the meeting of league owners, reported that the Cowboys' NFC East rivals the Philadelphia Eagles have also made inquiries about Williams' availability. While one GM said there was a strong possibility the Lions would trade Williams to the Cowboys or Eagles on Tuesday, Philadelphia is believed to be more interested in Kansas City Chiefs tight end Tony Gonzalez.
The Commish definitely has some large ones!
If we get Williams, can we cut Brown?


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I will not delete this, because what's done is done, and we all have to live with our mistakes.
That said, in the future, send a PM if you want to talk to someone personally. This forum is for discussing things related to DI, not personal requests, that goes for all your other messages.
I'll keep this thread open long enough for either you or Anubis to reply, but any shenanigans, and I'll lock it immediately.
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