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Dak Prescott on anthem: It's time to take action rather than taking a knee
Posted by Charean Williams on July 27, 2018, 3:37 PM EDT
Dak Prescott will stand for the national anthem, as he has his entire career.
The Cowboys quarterback said Friday that raising awareness about social injustice has happened. Now, it's about taking a "next step" with "action" rather than taking a knee.
"I'd never protest during anthem, and I don't think that's the time or the venue to do so," Prescott said. "The game of football has always brought me such a peace, and I think it does the same for a lot of people – a lot of people playing the game, a lot of people watching the game, a lot of people that have any impact of the game. So when you bring such a controversy to the stadium, to the field, to the game, it takes away . . . from that. It takes away from the joy and the love that football brings a lot of people. For me, I'm all about making a chance and making a difference. I think this whole kneeling, and all of that, was all about just raising awareness, and the fact that we're still talking about social injustice years later, I think we've gotten to that point. I think we've proved it. We know about social injustice. I'm up for taking a next step, whatever that step may be for action and not just kneeling.
"I've always believed in standing up for what I believe in, and that's what I'm going to continue to do."
Prescott said he respects players' right to protest during the anthem, but he wants to see something more substantial. He said he's "all for making a difference, and you can count me in if we can find something worth the action to do so that will help fix it."
"I respect what all those guys believe in," Prescott said. "If they believe it's going to make a change, and it's making a difference, then power to them. But for me, I think it's about [taking] action. It's not about taking a knee. It's not necessarily about standing. We can find a different place to make our country better. Obviously as I said, I'm not naïve. I'm very aware of the social injustice we have going on, but I'm about the actions we can do to fix it rather than the silent protest."
Cowboys owner Jerry Jones said this week the Cowboys have a team policy that is clear: Players will stand for the anthem "toe on the line." Executive vice president Stephen Jones made it even more clear in a radio interview Thursday on 1310-AM The Ticket: Standing for the anthem is a requirement, not a request for Cowboys players.
The Cowboys are one of the few teams never to have had a player protest during the national anthem, and they won't have one start this year.
"It has no affect to me," Prescott said of the team policy, "because I do exactly what I'm doing and what I've said and what I stand by. Whether I was wearing the star or not, whether I was playing for Jerry Jones, Stephen Jones or any other owner. I believe in what I believe in, and that's that."
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119 responses to "Dak Prescott on anthem: It's time to take action rather than taking a knee"
700levelvet says:
If he keeps this up, Jerry and Stephen might just let him sit at the big table with Garrett during thanksgiving.
Steve Erkel says:
I stand by Dak.
clayton268921 says:
At this point kneeling only hurts their cause. The conversation has shifted from 'their raising awareness for social injustices' to 'what will the punishments be and who is still going to kneel'
scrapsworld703139467 says:
Well said young man
jacktatum32 says:
WOW, wise beyond his years
jimcross1957 says:
Three steps to end social injustice.
1. Don't do illegal stuff.
2. Don't run from the cops.
3. Comply with the officers.
Follow these simple rules, problem solved.
ace8842 says:
I'm an Eagles fan but I am on Dak's side on this one. Protesting the anthem does nothing good.
sterling7 says:
A "man's man"!
seabreezes51 says:
If you don't stand, you are against God, country and the President.
melikefootball says:
To bad others don't see the light, get out there and do something
savethebs says:
How'd that work out for Philando Castille? You can't seriously be this dense.
gerard33 says:
When it doesn't seem like "the right venue" to protest, then you know it probably is. Protesting is about being disruptive and ruffling feathers, not continuing to capitulate to the powers that be. Either side you're on, at least understand this.
youngnoizecom says:
Jeez Dak's quotes are cringeworthy. Athletes have taken this cause past kneeling since it started.
mcconne77 says:
kneeling does absolutely nothing to help anyone. i agree with Dak. i still dislike the Cowboys.
The conversation would have had to start at "THEY'RE raising awareness for social injustices" for it to ever shift away from that?
newtdobbs says:
Kneeling is allowed on the asthma field. It's over there —->
cletuspstillwaterjr says:
Being a Marine's Dad I do not believe in taking a knee. Being a black man I can tell you the problem is not solved. I have been assaulted by a police officer. I didn't commit a crime or run from him. I found out later he was having a bad night and I suffered for it.
flviking says:
Give Malcom a call.
favresthumbdrive says:
Someday I hope the players and activists address the elephant in the room. If you live in a big city, just open the local newspaper website every morning and you'll know what I am talking about. It's not good and has nothing to do with the police…they are only trying to do their jobs and protect people in these broken down communities.
minnesotasfavoritesonbillybeglazed says:
you're missing the point, but 2 out of those 3 can screw off lol
officialgame says:
Spoken like Jerry's houseboy. Prescott has never taken a knee, never spoke out and never taken any action. By the way Malcom Jenkins (who never took a knee) met with an owners group last year and got them to commit to 80 million for social justice causes, education and raise awareness. Unlike Prescott Malcom walks the walk.
Marshall Thompson, prvideoguy says:
Everyone can do something practical to make a better world: teach in school, go vegetarian, clean up your neighborhood, drive more carefully, stop staring into your phone, join neighborhood groups, be a responsible adult, give to a charity you like. Real-world stuff like that. Empty political gestures accomplish little more than dividing people, in my opinion.
tylawspick6 says:
I have to agree..The point has been made by those who felt a need to kneel. Cool. I get it. We all do, at least those of us with college degrees who understand there are injustices in this country and borderline approved sexism and bigotry. Look at our president, who is an outright human disgrace.
Anyway, the world will never be perfect, and there will always be incidents, but it is true that in 2018, deep rooted changed needs to be more than just some guy kneeling that doesn't even show up on a tv screen before kick off.
Step 2 needs to be taken, which is bascially NFL franchises usin their influence in the community to make sure these racist cops are kept to a minimum in departments.
That and get rid of the racist "mandatory minimum" drug policy that aligns with this corrupt private prisons.
It's preposterous that families can be destroyed because a parent is arrested for possession and sent to jail for 10 years because they can't afford a fancy lawyer to make that go away.
Our country is so stupid sometimes and people need to vote correctly and pay attention, not sit in basements, addicted to video games and generally lowering your IQ by the day.
6ringsandarapist says:
Ok Boss…did I say it right?
wallabear says:
Whaddaya think KAP (Colin Kaepernick) has been doing since he's been UNEMPLOYED?
Dude… $eriou$ly? SMH
selgaeinla says:
Best example of white privilege I've seen in quite awhile.
bird2urmother says:
The sad thing is that so many players HAVE been taking action. Dak needs to open his eyes. That just shows how little he's been involved.
Finally someone has defined the white privilege that I've been afforded
my whole life. Now I got it…I'll amend my behaviors.
I've never been so embarrassed to be a Cowboys fan.
Rdog says:
Black people aren't going to want to hear that. They will probably call him white instead of black now.
I have all due respect for his opinions, mindset and stance on any issues. But he never said this before the organization made their stance on the issue. Reading between the lines isn't that complicated.
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I am a regular white guy and I agree. It's ignorance. The moron above says 'don't do drugs".
Weed is about to become legal across the country, so this means anyone who smokes weed which is legal, somehow needs to be asaulted by police offers, especially if they're black?
I mean, these people don't think and they have no idea when they speak, they show how racist they are.
sports604714432 says:
I kneel in my living room. I will not stand. And I'm a veteran.
Wow, that easy, who would have thought? I'm blinded by your brilliance.
sceaglesfan says:
You better keep your mouth shut. Those 8 man fronts you will be seeing are filled with people who disagree with you.
stillabengalsfan says:
Philando Castille had robbed a convenience store the day prior, and had a gun in his lap at the time he was shot.
suncawy says:
Malcolm Jenkins – are you listening? Here's someone who actually gets it. Dak is more intelligent than Malcolm.
bastardfromhell says:
I think the focus has been more on the players protesting than on the players not wanting to protest like Dak and Pac-Man Jones. I believe their are many more players out there that don't care to use the anthem as a form of protest but don't want the alienation from the players and NFL Players Association that comes with it. This has become a protest against our President and nothing else.
DooDooBrown says:
My favorite thing is people who flat out say that kneeling isn't helping anyone. I guess it would be too much work to, like, you know… ASK people how and why it helps? I guess it's easier to claim to be a first amendment freedom loving patriot while also arguing against the freedoms you say you love. COME ON OUTTA THAT LOCKER ROOM AND STAND, BOY!
I stand in my living room for the anthem and I am a veteran. I kneel only for the fallen. A true Veteran would never coward down and use the anthem as a form of protest.
DAL22 says:
It's amazing how clueless some people are. Dak didn't say that no one is taking action, he simply said that the point has already been made so instead of kneeling we need to take the next step. Not one time did he ever say that no one is doing anything. Learn how to read lol
Michael E says:
Being a black man I can tell you the problem is not solved. I have been assaulted by a police officer.
Aside from the fact that if we go by history, there's a 90% chance you're lying. In any case, white people get assaulted by police officers (we know you don't care). And with all, it usually entails not cooperating with them. Your problem is an inferiority complex. Protesting won't cure that.
wheywheyprotein says:
Minority groups will comply with these listed rules all day and still get shot by the cops, who will get a temporary paid suspension then be back on the beat by next week. Maybe expand your list to 4. Dont reach for wallet 5. Dont have scared white ladies call the cops on you for existing 5. Dont carry anything in hands, ever etc.
RussianBreadMaker says:
Jerry definitely asked him to make that statement after the bad press he was getting this morning. LOL
EZWriter says:
Time to switch the Boys nickname… how about the Dallas Toms?
pittsburghdamned says:
This brings up a good point. What's the most effective a bunch of multi-millionaires could be to a social cause?
Kneeling for free? I think not.
Let's see how emotional they feel when it means contributing money & time instead.
Unfortunately Dak will be attacked by black liberals for taking a stand much like black republicans often are.
akaodoyle says:
Opposing two of those are just about the most decent thing a human being can do. If I was black, I am not sure I would see a reason to be all that jazzed about the country as well.
outlaw53 says:
Basically Dak is stating that the "take a knee" movement is played out. It all started because one lazy puke ( Kaep ) wouldn't get off his duff for the anthem…after he had been benched during a preseason game…and it took flight from there ( with pig socks, communist paraphernalia, etc ). Suffice to say that the "message" has been delivered, but the issue that all them SJW types railed against is still there. What now players?
Please enlighten me ( and others nationwide ) regarding what off field initiatives have been generated by players en masse to shift the tide toward community enlightenment. I recall Kaep buying a few suits for some job seekers ( but with Trump's tax break unemployment is lower than it has been in twenty years…so that would be a wash ) I would rather refer to the mass initiative by NFL players that took place this offseason ( away from the playing field ) that engaged the public in generating continuity and social equality. Has anyone else heard of this "movement"?
No….me either.
patriotway1 says:
What makes you think they let Garrett sit at the big table?
nhpats says:
When are these players going to protest the hundreds of black guys that are shot by other black guys every day in this country?
Billsfreak2 says:
I wonder why so many people think that the Constitutions Bill of Rights starts with the 2nd amendment. Between some idiot screaming "fake news", and the Jerry Jones of the NFL, we should be able to abolish the first and move the second right into it's place pretty soon.
tirdbirgler says:
Garrett's guys and Jerry's kids.
Minority groups will comply with these listed rules all day and still get shot by the cops,
More whites get shot by cops.
They don't have an answer for you. They just give it a thumbs down because they don't know what else to do.
legendofmario1216 says:
The ironic part is if more powerful white men cared about social injustice as much as Jerry cares about his team we wouldn't even be having this conversation
GFY says:
The whole social injustice is a myth created my the media to divide and conquer us. Reality is more whites are shot and killed by cops than blacks even though blacks are responsible for over 50%+ of all violent crime in this country. If anyone should be protesting it should be white America.
cowboysfan1979 says:
Quality character. I knew it from the time he missed throwing his cup away and, instead of letting someone else pick it up and throw it away, he got up and picked it up himself.
49ersfury says:
What a load of crap from Dak. How are you going to take action when you can't even take a knee because you're scared of retribution from your team owner.
NFL players have no sense of sacrifice or unity. That's why their union has no power.
It's nearly 50/50 between whites and minorities getting shot, but white's make up a way bigger percentage of the population. The problem is proportional
I'm glad it brings youmpeace pop gun because watching you play brings me migraines
Neighborhoods up here around boston are turning into the wild west with shootings every night. Care to guess the participants ? Why is this information being swept under the rug. I know PFT is pretty far left but they know this too
mmack66 says:
If these bozos really cared, they would do a real protest and sit out some games. Of course, they aren't going to actually sacrifice anything, so they continue to pointlessly kneel.
TheWizard says:
I'd have thought the results of the last twenty years would have done it for you.
lewsblues says:
Spoken like Jerry's houseboy. Prescott has never taken a knee, never spoke out and never taken any action. By the way Malcom Jenkins (who never took a knee) met with an owners group last year and got them to commit to 80 million for social justice causes, education and raise awareness.
when did it leave the communities and become the NFL's responsibility to fund this social make over?
Youknowimright says:
700level cheers for those communists up in Philly who like to tear this country apart. I'd like to see Malcolm and the boys show their big stones in a room full of vets or active duty military and protest during the anthem. Their tunes would change quickly.
"Black on black" crime is a misleading term. It leads people to believe that black people are inherently more violent, especially against their own race, and that it is an issue unique to them. In most cases of violent crime, the victim and the offender are the same race. This is a product of racially segregated neighborhoods. It's common sense that if you're going to harm someone, it's going to be someone within close proximity. Also, people protesting because the cops are supposed to be the ones who they turn to for help. But if the cops are killing them, too, who can they turn to? So if you're asking why people aren't protesting "black on black" crime (which, as I've already explained, is a bit of a myth), then you're equating cops to civilian citizens, which is wrong. Cops take an oath to protect and serve, and civilians pay them to do that job. Cops are held to a higher standard, the same way we hold doctors and lawyers to higher standards. This is not that hard to understand, and if the NFL (and some of you fans) would pull your heads out of the sand long enough to acknowledge it, the kneeling would probably stop. But so many people feel like they have to pick sides and stay loyal to their perceived political "teams" which means defending the most obvious wrongs.
wooshelius says:
How convenient. What's sad is there have been tons of players that have taken action. The fact that a lot of people don't know that and choose to twist the whole narrative of what the protest is about shows why they should be able to kneel. Some people just don't get it but if they refuse to ignore facts then I guess they never will.
gonakgod says:
Good head on his shoulders.
Well for starters they could "take action" on their own time!!
wreed1 says:
If only there were more players like Dak. He has his head screwed on straight and knows there are more effective ways to tackle issues.
Art of the crowd says:
So those of you putting down Dak for calling for real action over kneeling prefer the kneeling? Why pray tell? Are you about getting real action or not?
realdealsteel says:
You REALLY don't know what your talking about. Black men who do all those things are still being gunned down by the police. Wake up!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
jquaste says:
Amen Dak…and I'm an Eagles fan! Protesting the National Anthem has only caused greater racial divide. I know that wasn't the intent, but that's been the result. A great cause, but a horrible platform.
How so? Malcolm Jenkins hasn't even knelt. He believes players should have that choice though. Plus he has done way more to solve the disconnect between police and the community. What exactly has Dak done pertaining to this issue? Actions speak louder than words.
easyeddie says:
His statement is part of the truth, but certainly not all of it obviously. For instance, the Castille case is one of a comparatively small number of instances of law enforcement brutality and must not be tolerated. The narrative, however, that the police are on a mission to kill blacks or have a vendetta against them is false.
At this point kneeling only hurts their cause.
Sitting/kneeling hasn't helped their cause at all. It's done more to turn people off than convince people to make changes. The left will never admit it, but the only discussions that have been held in the last 2 yrs have been about patriotism and the significance of the flag, not police brutality. It also shows how much SJW logic has taken hold of the left and American society.
When you use a poorly thought-out strategy, don't be surprised when things don't go your way and the results aren't what you want.
Spoken like Jerry's houseboy. Prescott has never taken a knee, never spoke out and never taken any action.
Perhaps because he does not agree with the protesters. I suppose that never occurred to you. He's visited the families of murdered police officers.
As a young man I was told by the police to leave an area, I responded with a smart mouth response. The officer put the business end of his night stick in my belly dropping me to my knees trying to catch my breath. I love ice tea and turkey sandwiches and oh yeah I'm white. My fault all of that took place, I'm not taking a knee because of it. I learned from it and moved on.
This is totally false and has been proven wrong. The whole convenient store thing was a rumor created by some conservative news group and he never had a gun in his lap. It's sick that so many people agree with this as well. Dang, y'all need to do your research instead of believing everything you see and hear.
One more point: If, when referring to all of this, you call it "protesting the national anthem," you are part of the problem. No one is protesting the anthem, they are protesting DURING the anthem. It's not the players' fault that you can't (or won't) understand the difference.
NewYorkLion says:
The social injustice lies , as well as players ( Bennett ) who make false statements about racial injustice by Police to fuel a fire that had no business being started in the first place. Media outlets that reported Bennett's claims as fact until video evidence proved he was lying and not a peep to recant the support of Bennett by aid media outlets….Not a word…Add the fuel to the fire but never ever extinguish it because it does not fit an agenda …..disgusting
cowboysdude says:
IS that what we're calling common sense now? White privilege? Interesting. Soooooo you should just be able to do anything you want then scream racism to get out of it…..again, interesting.
As anEagles fan, whose hatred of Dallas runs thru my veins, just the same as they hate me. I could respect his stance, but it's fraudulent. This has nothing to do with the issue, it's all about getting a new contract, putting up pedestrian numbers. He is not an elite QB, nor will he ever be, he was texted or voice mailed to tow the company line…it's all about making Jerry look good.
patsfan4lifesbchamps says:
I get a feeling Zeke will miss a blitz pickup or two on purpose.
iamthegreatcornflorio says:
If I was black, I am not sure I would see a reason to be all that jazzed about the country as well.
Cool. I will happily financially sponsor 10 of them to leave my country permanently. It will only cost them their US citizenship. Also, should they get caught trying to sneak back in it would be a life sentence.
Who is with me? Numbers wise I am pretty sure we can get this done.
cowboys8and8 says:
Always the white man's fault, huh?
What exactly have the hundreds/thousands of powerful black millionaire athletes done about 'social injustice' other than take a knee and disrespect the flag.
No, it's not.
bspurloc says:
No he did not have a gun in his lap and was a carrying legally.
He was NOT wanted for armed robbery nor was he a suspect that is a fake story pushed by fox and the other fake news outlet breitbert.
They pulled his car over as their freely available audio recording states he "RESEMBLED a robbery suspect" and used a blown brake light as the excuse to pull.
congrats on spreading the social injustice smear campaign by the outlets noted above.
baseballiseasymoney says:
ooDooBrown says:
What you say has some merit. But why then even though blacks make up less than 20% of the population do they still murder one another in much higher numbers? And again, where are the protests against this sad situation?
thefiesty1 says:
Don't run. Don't resist. Don't lie. Say yes sir and no sir. Don't carry a weapon. Say thank you and no sir and you'll likely NOT get shot by the police just for being black. End of police brutality against blacks. No need to protest anymore. Kneel for another cause. Next! Can we just play football now?
Mikey says:
I guess I shouldn't be surprised by those still commenting that this was an anthem protest. I swear the ignorance in this COUNTRY is soul crushing. meh.
As a young man I was told by the police to leave an area, I responded with a smart mouth response. The officer put the business end of his night stick in my belly dropping me to my knees trying to catch my breath. I love ice tea and turkey sandwiches and oh yeah I'm white. My fault all of that took place, I'm not taking a knee because of it. I learned from it and moved on
What? Yea ok so you think it's ok for a cop to hit someone in the stomach with a night stick just for making a comment?? Why do I not believe your story? So if a dirty cop assaults an innocent person, does that cop deserve a beating or worse? You know, since they're breaking the law and all. Or do you think cops can abuse their power and everyone has to accept it?
The leftists want you to believe that police officers just go up to black people and shoot them in the head totally out of the blue for absolutely no reason.
Hey chief, the moral of his story is be respectful to police officers.
babygaga19 says:
Since when is the NFL responsible for curing the world's social injustice?
yg20910 says:
Jenkins continues to do great work with the police departments and community and has said he plans on complying as his point was made . Kaep is out of the league . As is Reid . You can probably count the players that are going to protest on one hand. seems to me the only people that are continuing to make this an issue are Trump and the clueless owners .
Cowboys fans are fish in a pond…So easy to bait, and always biting. Ok, tell me again the most mediocre franchise in sports net worth again . But before you do that , grab a mirror, take a look, and tell me how much of it is yours.
So because you are fine with being assaulted by a police officer the rest of us should be too? That is some logic you got going on.
itsalwaysabout says:
As a former bouncer for many years I can tell you for 100% certain that you do not have to be black to be assaulted by an officer for no legit reason. Stop presenting that whites never suffer at the hands of the minority of bad police in this country. It's inaccurate and prejudicial. Just consider how many comments have been published (you know who you are)that broad brush all whites b/c of the action of a few . I accept that Chicago is not exclusively populated by people who murder within their own race and don't judge all other blacks based on those actions. Save the bs indeed.
Crazy Joe Davola says:
For all of those people who say that kneeling, "isn't taking real action", I ask of you: what is "real action"?
One comment stated: "If you don't stand, you are against God, country, and president". Are you kidding me? How is kneeling "against God"?
NFL players are given a huge platform to express their beliefs. If YOU don't like it, then don't watch. We have no right to tell NFL players what to do. Buying a ticket doesn't make you the players' master.
kd75 says:
Spoken like a man in a contract year!
Very eloquent, and misguided. It's difficult to live up to an oath that places you into what amounts to a war zone. The police in this country had a tough enough job before black lies matter threw "hands up don't shoot" at us while burning Ferguson and looting the businesses of it minority owners. There has been a deliberate, concerted effort to do everything possible to undermine police in this country. I cannot understand why anyone in this country would want to be a cop for any amount of money. And the hilarious part is that you can't even see the hypocrisy. Everyone wants the situation to improve but it's hard when you only require one half of the problem to change.
charliecharger says:
Uncle Dak. Did Jerry write that for you?
It seems this Prescott kid is one classy and intelligent and thoughtful human being. That's going to cost you son.
seems to me the only people that are continuing to make this an issue are Trump and the clueless owners .
Then explain why the NFLPA is having a hissyfit over the new policy. They've kept the issue going when the league tried to end it.
Wow, my "3 step plan" really caused some waves. Funny thing is, I never mentioned race in my comment. My comment was truly meant to everyone. White, Black, Asian, men, women, etc. etc. Everyone on here just took their own direction on this. Are there Cops out there that take their bad days out on the opposite race, probably, but I still stand by my statement. Don't do the crime, don't run and comply. Some will always be the,"well there was 1 guy" and "the stats show 50/50", etc. etc. I just say, if EVERYONE followed those 3 steps, the world would be in a lot better state. Bring back football!!!!!
Ron Jull says:
Nobody cares what a third string quarterback on a last place team has to say Dak.
Besides, shouldnt you and Sean and the rest of Garretts Guys be planning out who to railroad next?
Jerry Jones and Carrot Top 4-Ever!!!
Dak, just another Jerry Jones yes man puppet. Careful your strings dont get crossed up with Carrot Tops.
Cowboys, what a joke.
jeremy x says:
Lifetime MSST Bulldogs & avid Dak Prescott fan
Native Starkvegas citizen Home of the Bulldogs
But Dak
#1 – There's nothing silent about kneeling son
#2 – What if it DID affect you
You SAID it didn't
A bit selfish
#3 – I also want more & better but
you're downplaying the power of
this protest
It wasn't disrespectful of our
military, vets (which I'm one),
or our country nor anthem
#4 – You wear pink for breast cancer
awareness during the anthem
This along with all other
awareness is a silent protest
of sorts saying our country's
not doing enough
All types of awareness is a type of shade thrown towards something & someone
But for our owner to say his mindset speaks for me or HIS players speaks to something you've yet to learn
And I will STILL uphold you vs all the critics against you & your play
YOU'RE TOP DAK as a QB
I just disagree with you here
The issue gets confused as people speak on various parts of it & it's misconstued in whole FAR too often
The protest aren't about white NOT suffering at the hands of police
It's about disparities when blacks suffer vs whites
It not about lawbreakers not committing the crimes to warrant police intervention, it's about excessive use of force & killing of unarmed blacks
It's about the clear cases of shooting unarmed men standing/sitting w/out threat, running away, he do behind the back etc & still being shot
Being caught on video
It's about not only officers being acquitted despite clear evidence but those who are convicted as proof this occurs far too often for expert law enforcement
It's about undercover stings that bust crooked racist cops making racial comments about doing another n-word in,,, (killing anither n-word)
It's about overwhelming proif that MORE, not nothing, needs to be done to stop this social injustice
Quit confusing the issues & please be fair & impartial & please, Please, PLEASE SEEK GOD OUR JUDGE & MAKER OF US ALL
Regardless of what WE think
kingthielenscourt says:
I actually thought it was a creative way to bring an issue to the people, The problem is when average Americans Police and Military saw it as a slander against the Flag, they should have stopped. Then as I saw 9 out of 10 arrests/banning for cheating (peds) here I started wondering if it wasn't a way to have the right to NOT act Civically and Legally Responsibly, It was the right to continue behaving badly while still being the victim.
jacmyworld says:
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A sign of intelligence on pft. Well said sir!
Mr. Wright 212 says:
Dakota "Buck Dancer" Prescott.
wmgates68 says:
There is like a 99% chance that you're lying, too.
That smart mouth just proved THEIR point. You lived to tell about it. They're protesting for the ones that didn't.
J will says:
– Sell loose cigarettes = choked to death.
– Kill 9 people at bible study = free meal and able to live to talk about it.
Does that clarify things for you?


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Century holds topping off ceremony for Commonwealth project's tower 1; structural works continue for towers 2 and 3
In a simple ceremony held at the Commonwealth by Century construction site, Century Properties led by its Co-Chief Operating Officer and Project Head Mr. Marco R. Antonio commemorated the topping off of the development's first residential tower, Osmeña West.
Attended by project officials and Century's support team, Osmeña West was topped off at 11 floors and is slated for turnover next year. Also planned at 11 storeys are the second and third residential buildings under construction — Quezon North and Osmeña East.
Quezon North is currently on its fifth level with formworks and rebar installation in full swing.
At the Osmeña East tower, activities have reached above ground structural works.
The Osmeña West, Quezon North and Osmeña East towers are planned at 11 floors. Completing the roster of residential buildings in the 4.4- hectare property are Quezon South, Roxas East and West and Quirino East and West towers.
Situated within walking distance from Ever Gotesco and Commonwealth Avenue, the Residences at Commonwealth is accessible to shopping, dining and entertainment establishments, schools, universities, churches, hospitals as well as BPO and corporate offices in the Quezon City.
Commonwealth by Century is located in Don Antonio Drive (Amsterdam Avenue), Commonwealth, Quezon City, Philippines. It is Century Properties' first development in Quezon City that features eight residential towers, the Commonwealth Clubhouse with special facilities that nurture the interests and passions of the different members of the family, and outdoor spaces that provide opportunities for a holistic, active and healthy lifestyle experiences for residents.
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WIPO Arbitration and Mediation Center
ADMINISTRATIVE PANEL DECISION
LEGO Juris A/S v. Reiner Stotte
Case No. D2010-0494
1. The Parties
Complainant is LEGO Juris A/S of Billund, Denmark, represented by Melbourne IT Digital Brand Services, Sweden.
Respondent is Reiner Stotte of Ohio, United States of America.
2. The Domain Name and Registrar
The disputed domain name <legotraum.com> is registered with eNom, Inc.
3. Procedural History
The Complaint was filed with the WIPO Arbitration and Mediation Center (the "Center") on March 31, 2010. On April 1, 2010, the Center transmitted by email to eNom, Inc. a request for registrar verification in connection with the disputed domain name. On April 1, 2010, eNom, Inc. transmitted by email to the Center its verification response confirming that Respondent is listed as the registrant and providing the contact details. The Center verified that the Complaint satisfied the formal requirements of the Uniform Domain Name Dispute Resolution Policy (the "Policy" or "UDRP"), the Rules for Uniform Domain Name Dispute Resolution Policy (the "Rules"), and the WIPO Supplemental Rules for Uniform Domain Name Dispute Resolution Policy (the "Supplemental Rules").
In accordance with the Rules, paragraphs 2(a) and 4(a), the Center formally notified Respondent of the Complaint, and the proceedings commenced on April 13, 2010. In accordance with the Rules, paragraph 5(a), the due date for Response was May 3, 2010. Respondent did not submit any Response. Accordingly, the Center notified Respondent's default on May 4, 2010.
The Center appointed Manoel J. Pereira dos Santos as the sole panelist in this matter on May 10, 2010. The Panel finds that it was properly constituted. The Panel has submitted the Statement of Acceptance and Declaration of Impartiality and Independence, as required by the Center to ensure compliance with the Rules, paragraph 7.
4. Factual Background
The trademark upon which the Complaint is based is LEGO. According to the documentary evidence and contentions submitted, Complainant owns a number of trademark registrations for the LEGO trademark around the world. On May 17, 2010, the Panel checked the United States Patent and Trademark Office database available online and found that United States trademark No.1018875 LEGO was registered on August 26, 1975 in International class 28 for, inter alia, toy building blocks, and that the mark has been assigned to Complainant. Complainant also owns other United States trademark registrations for LEGO. In addition, Complainant is the owner of over 1,000 domain names containing the term LEGO.
According to the documentary evidence and contentions submitted, Complainant through their predecessors commenced use of the LEGO mark in the United States during 1953 to identify construction toys made and sold by them. The LEGO Group has expanded the use of the LEGO trademark to, inter alia, computer hardware and software, books, videos and computer controlled robotic construction sets. The Panel accepts Complainant's contention that the LEGO trademark is a notorious trademark worldwide.
The Panel also notes that the notoriety of the LEGO trademark has been confirmed in previous UDRP decisions. See LEGO Juris A/S v. John Davies, WIPO Case No. D2010-0160; Lego Juris A/S v. Hu Liang/Dolego, WIPO Case No. D2009-0848; LEGO Juris A/S v. Whois Privacy Protection Service, Inc./ Stop2Shop, G V, WIPO Case No. D2009-0784; LEGO Juris A/S v. Private, Registration / Dohe Dot, WIPO Case No. D2009-0753; LEGO Juris A/S v. EcomMutual, WIPO Case No. D2009-0685; LEGO Juris A/S v. Reginald Hastings Jr, WIPO Case No. D2009-0680; LEGO Juris A/S v. Deng Yi Xia, WIPO Case No. D2009-0644; LEGO Juris A/S v. Mohamed Ouattara / Integral Assets Ltd, WIPO Case No. D2009-0564; Lego Juris A/S v. Gioacchino Zerbo, WIPO Case No. D2009-0500; LEGO Juris A/S v. Mike Morgan, WIPO Case No. D2009-0438; LEGO Juris A/S v. Bladimir Boyiko, WIPO Case No. D2009-0437; LEGO Juris A/S v. Domainproxyagent.com and Compsys Domain Solutions Private Limited, WIPO Case No. D2009-0381; LEGO Juris A/S v. Zhijun Guo, WIPO Case No. D2009-0184; LEGO Juris A/S v. P N S Enterprises, WIPO Case No. D2009-0170; LEGO Juris A/S v. David Palmer, WIPO Case No. D2008-1826; LEGO Juris A/S v. Michael Longo, WIPO Case No. D2008-1715; and LEGO Juris A/S v. Level 5 Corp., WIPO Case No. D2008-1692.
According to the documentary evidence and contentions submitted, the domain name <legotraum.com> was registered with eNom, Inc. on November 8, 2009. Complainant sent a cease and desist letter to Respondent on November 30, 2009, which letter was reiterated by email on December 9, 2009, January 12, 2010 and finally on March 2, 2010. Complainant states that no reply from Respondent was ever received.
5. Parties' Contentions
A. Complainant
Complainant argues that the disputed domain name is confusingly similar to the LEGO trademark because the dominant part of the domain name is the word "lego". Complainant also contends that the addition of the suffix "traum" (which means "dream" in German) is not relevant and will not have any impact on the overall impression of the dominant part of the name, LEGO, and that the top-level domain ".com" is not to be taken into consideration.
Complainant further contends that Respondent does not have rights or legitimate interests regarding the disputed domain name because (i) Respondent may not claim any rights established by common usage corresponding to the domain name at issue; (ii) no license or authorization of any other kind has been given by Complainant to Respondent to use the trademark LEGO; (iii) it is highly unlikely that Respondent would not have known of Complainant's legal rights in the name LEGO at the time of the registration; and (iv) Respondent is not using the disputed domain name in connection with a bona fide offering of goods or services.
Finally, Complainant contends that Respondent registered and used the disputed domain name in bad faith because (i) Respondent was aware of the rights Complainant has in the LEGO trademark at the point of the registration and registered the domain name <legotraum.com> in view of the considerable value and goodwill of that trademark; and (ii) Respondent is using the disputed domain name to intentionally attempt to attract Internet users to a commercial website, by creating a likelihood of confusion with Complainant's mark as to the source, sponsorship, affiliation or endorsement of the website.
B. Respondent
Respondent did not reply to Complainant's contentions.
6. Discussion and Findings
A. Effect of the Default
The consensus view is that the respondent's default does not automatically result in a decision in favor of the complainant and that the complainant must establish each of the three elements required by paragraph 4(a) of the UDRP (WIPO Overview of WIPO Panel Views on Selected UDRP Questions, paragraph 2.2). However, paragraph 14(b) of the Rules provides that, in the absence of exceptional circumstances, a panel shall draw such inferences as it considers appropriate from a failure of a party to comply with a provision or requirement of the Rules.
This Panel finds that there are no exceptional circumstances foreseen for the failure of Respondent to submit a Response. As a result, the Panel infers that Respondent does not deny the facts asserted and contentions made by Complainant. Reuters Limited v. Global Net 2000, Inc., WIPO Case No. D2000-0441; LCIA (London Court of International Arbitration) v. Wellsbuck Corporation, WIPO Case No. D2005-0084; Ross-Simons, Inc. v. Domain.Contact, WIPO Case No. D2003-0994. Therefore, asserted facts that are not unreasonable will be taken as true and Respondent will be subject to the inferences that flow naturally from the information provided by Complainant. Reuters Limited v. Global Net 2000, Inc., supra; RX America, LLC v. Matthew Smith, WIPO Case No. D2005-0540.
The Panel will now review each of the three cumulative elements set forth in paragraph 4(a) of the Policy to determine whether Complainant has complied with such requirements.
B. Identical or Confusingly Similar
The domain name <legotraum.com> incorporates the LEGO mark in its entirety. Previous WIPO UDRP panels have held that when a domain name wholly incorporates a complainant's registered trademark that may be sufficient to establish confusing similarity for purposes of the Policy. See, e.g., Telstra Corporation v. Barry Cheng Kwok Chu, WIPO Case No. D2000-0423; Pfizer Inc. v. United Pharmacy Ltd, WIPO Case No. D2001-0446; E.I. du Pont de Nemours and Company v. Richi Industry S. r. l., WIPO Case No. D2001-1206; Utensilerie Associate S. p. A. v. C & M, WIPO Case No. D2003-0159; Shaw Industries Group Inc., Columbia Insurance Company v. Wan-Fu China, Ltd., WIPO Case No. D2007-0282. That is particularly true where the disputed domain name incorporates a well-known trademark as LEGO.
In the instant case, Respondent has registered a domain name which combines the word "lego" with the suffix "traum", which means "dream" in German. It has been consistently decided that the addition of generic or descriptive terms to an otherwise distinctive trademark generally results in determination of confusing similarity to the registered trademark. The Ritz Hotel, Limited v. Damir Kruzicevic, WIPO Case No. D2006-1137; Calvin Klein Trademark Trust and Calvin Klein, Inc. v. Cologne Zone, WIPO Case No. D2001-1039; The Elisabeth Taylor Cosmetics Company v. NOLDC, Inc., WIPO Case No. D2006-0800; Accor v. Yossi Hasidim, WIPO Case No. D2001-0392. However, the Panel notes that, the term "traum" is not necessarily immediately recognizable as a dictionary term, except for German speaking people.
In support of this argument, Complainant cites Dr. Ing. h.c. F. Porsche AG v. Rojeen Rayaneh, WIPO Case No. D2004-0488, in which the panel made reference to a "long-established precedent that confusing similarity is generally recognized when well-know trademarks are paired up with different kinds of prefixes and suffixes". See also LEGO Juris A/S v. Zhijun Guo, WIPO Case No. D2009-0184; LEGO Juris A/S v. Reginald Hastings Jr, WIPO Case No. D2009-0680. In fact, as decided in other WIPO UDRP cases, "the test of identity or confusing similarity under the Policy is confined to a comparison of the disputed domain name and the trademark alone". LEGO Juris A/S v. Name Administrator, Hong Kong Domains, LLC., supra. See also Wal-Mart Stores, Inc. v. Traffic Yoon, WIPO Case No. D2006-0812. This Panel agrees that, if the dominant portion of a well-known mark and a disputed domain name is the same, then confusion may be likely notwithstanding peripheral differences.
Also, the addition of the suffix ".com" is non-distinctive because it is required for the registration of the domain name. Magnum Piering, Inc. v. The Mudjackers and Garwood S. Wilson, Sr., WIPO Case No. D2000-1525; Rollerblade, Inc. v. Chris McCrady, WIPO Case No. D2000-0429; RX America, LLC v. Mattew Smith, WIPO Case No. D2005-0540.
Therefore, the Panel finds that the <legotraum.com> domain name is confusingly similar to the LEGO trademark and, as a result, finds that the requirement of paragraph 4(a)(i) of the Policy is met.
C. Rights or Legitimate Interests
The Panel finds that Complainant has done enough to establish a prima facie case that Respondent lacks rights to or legitimate interests in the disputed domain name, and by defaulting Respondent has failed to provide the Panel with any evidence of Respondent's rights to or legitimate interests therein.
In fact, the Panel finds as reasonable Complainant's contentions that (i) Respondent may not claim any rights established by common usage corresponding to the domain name at issue; (ii) no license or authorization of any other kind has been given by Complainant to Respondent to use the trademark LEGO; and (iii) it is unlikely that Respondent would not have known of Complainant's legal rights in the name LEGO at the time of the registration given the notoriety of the LEGO trademark.
Complainant further contends that Respondent has not used the disputed domain name in connection with a bona fide offering of goods or services for a number of reasons. According to Complainant's contentions and documentary evidence, Respondent initially used the disputed domain name for fraud, to take orders from customers for LEGO products that were then never delivered. As a result, the site was shut down by the Internet Service Provider at the request of Complainant, on November 11, 2009. Thereafter, the disputed domain name began pointing to the home web site of ROHRS, a real estate company with the web addresses "www.rohrsnation.com" and "www.georgialandsellers.com".
On May 17, 2010 the Panel attempted to access a website to which the disputed domain name might resolve and found out that the domain name was inactive. Therefore, the Panel has not found any of the types of evidence set forth in paragraph 4(c) of the Policy from which the Panel might conclude that Respondent has any rights or legitimate interests in the disputed domain names.
In light of the foregoing, the Panel finds that the requirement of paragraph 4(a)(ii) of the Policy is met.
D. Registered and Used in Bad Faith
This Panel agrees with previous Policy decisions to the effect that "knowledge of a corresponding mark at the time of registration of the domain name suggests bad faith". Caixa D´Estalvis I Pensions de Barcelona ("La Caixa") v. Eric Adam, WIPO Case No. D2006-0464. See also Document Technologies, Inc. v. International Electronic Communications Inc., WIPO Case No. D2000-0270; Reuters Limited v. Global Net 2000, Inc., supra. Also, as indicated in another UDRP case, "it would have been pertinent for Respondent to provide an explanation of its choice in the disputed domain name, failing which the Panel draws the conclusion that the disputed domain name was registered in bad faith with intent to create an impression of an association with Complainant and its products". BOUYGUEs v. Chengzhang, Lu Ciagao, WIPO Case No. D2007-1325.
The conduct of Respondent since he was served of a cease and desist letter by Complainant does not show a result in favor of Respondent. In fact, Respondent initially used the disputed domain name to take orders from customers for LEGO products that were then never delivered. Thereafter, the disputed domain name began pointing to the home web site of ROHRS, a real estate company. Finally, the disputed domain name seems now to be inactive.
The consensus view in the WIPO URDP Panel decisions has been that "[t]he lack of active use of the domain name does not as such prevent a finding of bad faith", and that a panel must examine such circumstances as "complainant having a well-known trademark, no response to the complaint, concealment of identity and the impossibility of conceiving a good faith use of the domain name". (WIPO Overview of WIPO Panel Views on Selected UDRP Questions, para. 3.2). See Telstra Corporation Limited v. Nuclear Marshmallows, WIPO Case No. D2000-0003; Parfums Christian Dior v. 1 Net Power, Inc., WIPO Case No. D2000-0022; J. García Carrión, S.A. v. María José Catalán Frias, WIPO Case No. D2000-0239; Bayer Aktiengesellschaft v. Henrik Monssen, WIPO Case No. D2003-0275; Teachers Insurance and Annuity Association of America v. Wreaks Communications Group, WIPO Case No. D2006-0483; MasterCard International Incorporated v. North Tustin Dental Associates, supra.
The Panel is of the opinion that, in light of the circumstances of the instant case, the conduct of Respondent evidences bad faith registration and use. As a matter of fact, the majority of the facts referred to above are present and, accordingly, the Panel concludes that the disputed domain name was used and is still being used in bad faith.
Therefore, the Panel finds that the requirement of paragraph 4(a)(iii) of the Policy is met.
7. Decision
For all the foregoing reasons, in accordance with paragraphs 4(i) of the Policy and 15 of the Rules, the Panel orders that the domain name <legotraum.com> be transferred to Complainant.
Manoel J. Pereira dos Santos
Sole Panelist
Dated: May 25, 2010


Mount Bonney is a striking sight from Asulkan Ridge, its sheer north face rising above and between lobes of the heavily-crevassed Bonney Glacier. After the MacDonald experience, I was looking for something a bit more moderate, and Bonney is one of a few less-visited peaks that does not require crossing the Illecillewaet Névé. While it looks fairly flat and tame, and there are some very interesting looking routes on the other side (e.g. north and east ridges on Mount Fox), it looks like 4-5 miles each way across the Névé, with an uncertain dismount across the glacial tongues on its other side.
I got an early-ish start around 5:30, hiking the familiar Abbott Ridge trail and talking to myself occasionally to warn the bears. As the trees began to thin, I looked back and was startled to see someone slowly catching me. I wasn't in full race mode, but I am not used to being caught on climbs. The person turned out to be a fast local, out with a friend for a quick morning run across Asulkan Ridge. He assumed that I was doing likewise, and was a bit surprised when I told him I was headed for Bonney. He had skied it in the winter, but never scrambled it in the summer. The three of us talked as we scrambled up a shortcut to Abbott Ridge, discussing local scrambles and speculating about a reasonable FKT for Sir Donald. We parted ways at the saddle before Abbott Peak, where I descended to fill up my water at the tarn before beginning the traverse around Asulkan Ridge.
There may be a good line around to the Lily Glacier, but I didn't find it. After gaining Afton's northwest ridge, I generally stayed between 7300′ and 7500′, I performed a long, laborious side-hill on a mixture of slick heather, hard-packed dirt, krummholtz, and a bit of lose talus. I more or less kept pace with my companions on the ridge, who appeared occasionally silhouetted against the eastern sky. I finally reached Lily Col around the same time they reached the nearby summit of Dome, making me wonder if it would have been faster to follow Asulkan Ridge over the Rampart.
From the col, I climbed a mixture of snow and talus until I could make my way left to Swanzy's slabby upper east face. This was the best climbing of the day, a moderate slab with cracks and positive rails. Below the overhanging summit knob, I traversed left until I could ascend a chimney to the summit plateau. I tagged the cairn on the rock highpoint to the right, then, after failing to traverse around the edge of a weird little summit glacier, walked carefully along its crest, which is higher than the rock summit.
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Bonney has two equally-high summits, and I found a register canister on the second. Along with the lid of a mackerel can from 1974, I found a nice book left by a party in 1988, celebrating the centennial of the first climb. The first ascenscionists were two Anglican clergy, Reverends Green and Swanzy, and Reverend Northcott of Revelstoke had been inspired to repeat the climb. For extra style points, the centennial party had used the original route, a savage bushwhack up Loop Creek to Bonney-Green col. Somehow the register was dry and in excellent shape, despite being protected by only a non-waterproof metal canister and a produce bag. I guess not many people climb Bonney in the summer, because no one had signed it since the 1988 party. I added my name, then sat back and relaxed in the perfect weather.
I had contemplated continuing the traverse to Bonney-Green Col, where I could get around the bergschrund and crevassed glacier, but the rest of the ridge didn't look interesting, and I would have to traverse a lot of moraine and polished slabs on the long return below the Bonney and Lily Glaciers. Instead, I retraced my path, mistakenly taking a slightly lower and worse line below Asulkan Ridge. I rinsed my face at the tarn, where I met a young New Zealander on a year abroad. I encouraged him to visit the Tetons when I heard he was headed down to the Yellowstone area, then left him to scramble down the shortcut and jog the trail. At a bit over 10.5 hours crossing some rough country, this outing wouldn't appeal to everyone, but I enjoyed tagging a seldom-visited summit with a bit of interesting, moderate scrambling.
nice one Sean! stoked to read about your day, it was awesome to run into you on the way up Abbott Ridge. U still around Revy?
I'm headed out today, after doing Sir Donald yesterday. 2:24:45 up, 4:38 round trip. Get after it!


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Hell Hath No Fury Like a Woman Deceived: Clytemnestra's Revenge
True Crime shows are my guilty pleasure. I love a good detective mystery…the "who done it" and the reveal scenes and trying to figure out how it all happened…it's exciting to try and put all of the pieces together to solve the mystery along with the detective. But for me, the why is always more important than the how. I find myself constantly drawn to the motive, and am most often let down when the detective looks at the camera and says, "He won't talk, so I guess we'll never know why he did what he did."
In most murder mysteries, at least on the true crime shows I watch, we often get the how (Col. Mustard hit him over the head with a candlestick as he entered the ballroom), but are so often left without the why (they seemed like such good friends…what could ever drive him to murder?). That's the beauty of fiction–it can satisfy our need to know both the how and the why. To wrap up our "women who murder" theme, I would like to turn to one of my personal favorite stories: The Oresteia by Aeschylus. This trilogy contains one of the most famous murderesses in mythology–Clytemnestra, who murders her husband Agamemnon and tries to kill her own son Orestes. But unlike those True Crime shows, we are never in the dark about why she kills…She wants revenge.
To be completely fair, Agamemnon's entire household is cursed. His father, Atreus, murdered his own nieces and nephews then (*gag alert*) fed them in a stew to his twin brother. Cannibalism in Ancient Greece was definitely in the top "deadly sins," so the gods put a curse on the house of Atreus, and–due to Fate–Agamemnon never stood a chance in the first place.
But Clytemnestra's story begins a bit later, right before the Trojan War (as all great Greek myths do). Agamemnon's brother Menelaus has just had his wife kidnapped by some Trojan idiot named Paris, and Menelaus launches the famous thousand ships after her (we'll definitely cover Helen another time). The problem, however, is that Agamemnon has somehow offended Artemis, and without her blessing, their ship will never make it to Troy. Her demand? The sacrifice of Agamemnon's daughter, Iphigenia.
This poses some problems in Greek mythology. After all, the Olympian gods aren't really the human sacrifice types, and so this story generally puzzles mythologists. It also opens the door for a wide variety of interpretations of exactly what happened to Iphigenia. Perhaps she was sacrificed. Perhaps Agamemnon began the sacrifice, but Artemis swooped in at the last moment and saved her. In either case, the stories all agree on one thing: Agamemnon lied to his wife, Clytemnestra, telling her that Iphigenia was to be married off to Achilles (or some soldier), then took her daughter away where Clytemnestra never saw her again.
The winds were lifted, and Agamemnon's ship sailed on to Troy…but Clytemnestra was left only with the rumors that her husband had sacrificed their eldest daughter just to go fight a war he had no business meddling with in the first place.
So it's easy to understand why, with her husband gone for ten years, Clytemnestra had time to move on, find a new man, and of course, plot her revenge. The new man was Aegisthus, a cousin of Agamemnon's, and here's where the story gets a bit fuzzy, depending on which version of the myth you're reading. Since I started out by mentioning The Oresteia, I'll give you Aeschylus's version…but it's not entirely complete. In Ancient Greek theatre, all violence took place offstage, which means that even in Aeschylus, we don't see anything; we only hear about it after the fact.
What we know is that when Agamemnon arrives home, he's greeted warmly by his wife and invited inside. Then there's some screaming, Agamemnon's new slave-girl runs in, there's more screaming…the guess is left to the audience. The play makes it clear that Clytemnestra and Aegisthus had planned this murder for a long time–possibly ever since Clytemnestra lost Iphigenia those ten years ago.
The Murder of Agamemnon
There's something satisfying to me in this story that is often missed in those True Crime documentaries–we actually get the why and the how all at the same time. Clytemnestra feels justified in her actions, and gladly tells the details of how she murdered her husband and his slave-girl. When the Chorus rebukes her for being so "shameless," she replies:
I am no shallow woman, whom ye mock.
With unconfounded heart, albeit ye know,
I speak; and whether thou wilt praise or blame,
'Tis one to me. Lo, my right arm hath wrought
The handiwork of justice : he is dead,
My husband, Agamemnon. He is dead!1
By calling her murder "the handiwork of justice," she makes her position as judge and jury plain. She then goes on to tell the Chorus that she didn't recall any of them speaking out against the injustice her husband wrought when he sacrificed their daughter. Where there was no justice, she would take it for herself. She then goes back even further, stating that she did it even for the children Agamemnon's father slew,2 arguing her case to the Chorus, who represents the interest of the audience.
The Chorus does not buy her reasoning.
Her son Orestes, eventually comes home and learns from his sister Electra what has happened. According to the custom, Orestes as the eldest son is responsible for avenging his father's death. However, killing a blood relative was a mortal sin…it's what got his house cursed in the first place. So, the question for the rest of the play becomes primarily one of logic: Given those two premises, what action should Orestes take? Avenge his father by killing his mother and angering the gods? Or anger the gods by not avenging his father's death?
(Ancient Greek writers certainly took the whole "be cruel to your characters" advice to heart.)
Clytemnestra by John Collier (1882)
Orestes takes the first option, but Clytemnestra does not let him take her without a fight. Rather, as Orestes storms his mother's room, Clytemnestra is there to meet him. Again, no onstage battle ensues except for an exchange of words and arguments, then they exit…and only Orestes returns, his mother's blood on his hands. In some versions of the story, it's clear she would rather fight to the death, willing to kill her own son rather than be killed–so she meets him at the door with a battle axe (I'm almost ashamed to say how awesome I find this image–her son is coming at her with a sword, and she meets him with a battle axe. Gutsy.). This was likely meant to show how cold-hearted she was, but I think it gives us another insight, as well…it shows how strongly she believed in her "cause."
In any version of the tale, but perhaps especially Aeschylus's version, Clytemnestra is intelligent and fierce. She argues with sound logic and makes a strong case that her murder is justice, rather than revenge. She is patient, waiting over ten years to exact her revenge (or justice, depending on how one looks at it), and she does not go down without a fight.
However, in spite of all of this, Clytemnestra's tragedy is that she's still just a pawn in the great game of Fate. Agamemnon's house was cursed before she got there, and the only way to lift the curse was through her son, Orestes, being tormented by the Furies in retaliation for her own murder. And that only came after a lengthy (a whole play's length, actually) courtroom scene where Orestes pleads his case before Athena. Was it justice? Or revenge? And how thin is the line between them?
And if the difference between the two is motive, then what had been Clytemnestra's true motive? Or Agamemnon's? Or Atreus'? No one in this family (except perhaps Iphigenia) is innocent of another family member's blood, after all.
In those True Crime documentaries I love so well, there's a similar theme–when a motive is discerned, it's seldom unique. The motives of jealousy and revenge have withstood the test of time. But no one pleads that to the judge. Rather, everyone justifies themselves in their own mind. After all, justice is "an eye for an eye," and if one feels their eye has been taken, don't they deserve the right to enact the same on the offender? Yet, as the tragedy of the House of Atreus so well illustrates, perhaps an eye for an eye really does make the whole world blind…
Orestes Killing Clytemnestra by Anagoria
The Oresteia, https://archive.org/stream/oresteiaofaeschy00aesciala/oresteiaofaeschy00aesciala_djvu.txt, 38.
Ibid, 44.
Women's Weapon, Women's Work: The Oracle Glass and the Affair of the Poisons
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By: Carrie Gessner
Poison is frequently referred to as "a woman's weapon" because it allows murder to be committed from a distance and often requires subterfuge to deploy, which is probably why it doesn't come as a surprise that women were at the heart of the so-called Affair of the Poisons that plagued Louis XIV's court from 1677 to 1682. [1] Both men and women of the court sought out supernatural means to win Louis's favor. The king's longtime mistress, Madame de Montespan, was accused of resorting to love spells to keep his affection after childbirth had changed her figure.
Madame de Montespan
The unravelling began with the execution of Madame de Brinvilliers, who was charged with poisoning her father and brothers in order to inherit their estates. She and her accomplice, the Chevalier de Sainte Croix, were alleged to have used Aqua Tofana, a poison that originated in Italy and was sold primarily to women who desired to be rid of their husbands, although other sources point to arsenic being the poison of choice. [1] de Brinvilliers was executed in 1676 by beheading and burning at the stake.
The execution of de Brinvilliers
It's been written that in her final moments, de Brinvilliers implicated "half the people in town." [2] Deaths of courtiers that previously seemed unfortunate but not suspicious were now looked at from a new perspective, jumpstarting an inquiry that would last for years and end in the execution of over thirty people.
The Oracle Glass by Judith Merkle Riley is loosely based on this time period and straddles the line between historical fiction and fantasy fiction. The story is narrated by Genevieve Pasquiers, who later becomes the famed (and fictitious) Marquise de Morville. She describes herself as "an ugly girl who can't walk right" [3]. Her father educates her in classical languages and philosophy, instruction which leads her to view herself as a woman of logic.
La Voisin
Genevieve's mother is based on the infamous Madame de Brinvilliers. It was purported that de Brinvilliers and her lover, de Sainte Croix, tested their poisons for the thrill of it, and much like them, Madame de Pasquiers is depicted as poisoning under the guise of charity. de Pasquiers and the woman she's based upon are arguably psychopaths, as they need little encouragement to take a life beyond the prospect of their own pleasure.
When Genevieve's mother poisons her husband and mother-in-law, Genevieve's uncle assaults her in an effort to take her inheritance. Genevieve vows to avenge herself and her father, runs away, and crosses paths with La Voisin, a historical figure and, supposedly, a witch. La Voisin promises Genevieve, who can truly see the future by looking in an orb of water, to make her "strong enough to destroy" her uncle and transforms her into the Marquise de Morville, a 150-year-old fortune teller. [3] Fortune-telling allows Genevieve to support herself as well as repay La Voisin for the education. Although Genevieve focuses on fortune-telling and leaves the poisoning to La Voisin, she's also determined to get revenge on her uncle, and she can't escape getting caught up in the Affair of the Poisons.
As a doctor treats Genevieve for a broken arm, he correctly guesses she'd been injured by a man and says, "If it had been one of your witches, now, you wouldn't have lived out the week, and there wouldn't be a mark to show." [3] The implication is that patience, thought to be one of women's primary virtues, can also aid in immorality, for women are patient enough to wait for an opportune time to slip poison into a drink, to wait for a note covered in poison to be delivered, to wait for poison to take effect.
The Oracle Glass presents a variety of women who murder for a variety of reasons—for personal pleasure, for societal advancement, for money, for revenge. In real life, these women intrigue us because they're statistically less likely to commit murder than men. Fiction allows us to explore the motivations behind such crimes and offers a means of coping with the fact that, in real life, there are often no easy answers.
[1] Frost, Natasha. "The Scandalous Witch Hunt That Poisoned 17th-Century France." Atlas Obscura, 05 Oct. 2017. https://www.atlasobscura.com/articles/affair-of-the-poisons-france-witch-hunt-occult
[2] Duramy, Benedetta F. "Catherine La Voison: Poisons and Magic at the Royal Court of Louis XIV." Toxicology in the Middle Ages and Renaissance, edited by Philip Wexler. Academic Press, London, UK. 2017. 135-140.
[3] Riley, Judith Merkle. The Oracle Glass. Sourcebooks, Illinois, 2012.
Medea: The Power of Progeneration
By Ava de Cenizas
For Jason, she betrays her father, kills her own brother, and abandons her home of Colchis. In Corinth, she murders her sons as vengeance against Jason and then escapes in a serpent-drawn chariot sent by the sun-god Helios. King Aegeus of Athens grants her sanctuary. But when she nearly tricks Aegeus into poisoning his own son, Theseus, she flees again. In this final flight, Medea breaks free of Greek mythology, unconquered to the last.
It is a unique fate for a woman who murders her sons. Greek mythology is not so kind to
its heroes. They do not die peacefully with past glories dancing in their head. Wine had soured in Jason's mouth when a rotted spar from his ship Argos strikes him, the unfaithful husband, dead. King Aegeus throws himself from the high acropolis of Athens, believing Theseus defeated. Theseus lives long enough to see his beloved wife and son into their graves. Hercules burns himself on his own funeral pyre, accidently poisoned by his wife, before Zeus allows him into the stars. Odysseus's son murders him; Oedipus is blinded; and Antigone, hounded into insanity.
Medea is no heroine, but neither is she a Minotaur to be vanquished. Instead, she is elemental – a wind that drives demi-gods to victory or to the bottom of the sea. What element she signifies is revealed by the men around her, the men who use Medea. When she enters the stage, Medea is ruled by her heart from the first. Jason wields that love to achieve his goal: stealing the golden fleece from Medea's father. Without Medea's power, Jason will not succeed. She tells him how to defeat each of her father's traps, and when the lovers escape Colchis, it is Medea who dismembers her brother to prevent the King from following.
And Jason uses Medea as much as he can. He marries Medea and asks that she regenerate his aging father into a full vibrant life. Medea gives Jason healthy sons. Having borne him two legitimate heirs, though, Jason considers Medea a spent force to be cavalierly disposed once she is no longer useful. He throws Medea over for the daughter of the King of Corinth. The King of Corinth, at least, has the sense to banish Medea; Jason never considers that the power he used to capture the golden fleece and his future might take it from him.
Medea laments the position of a wife, forced aside, but she is not powerless. She strikes a deal with King Aegeus to save herself: She will give him sons. Aegeus sees Medea as the power through which he can ensure his dynasty continues. Medea fulfills her end of the bargain, a bargain Aegeus revokes when his own long-lost son, Theseus, arrives. Like Jason, though, Aegeus cannot end Medea – she escapes with their son.
While Medea is "passion" and an "anti-mother," this simplifies her. She is the power of progeneration. She promises a future. Her fire protects Jason and regenerates his father to good health. She grants Jason two male heirs, a precious gift when children were not certain to survive to adulthood. She gives the same to King Aegeus. When Medea seeks to destroy, she cuts off that same future, beginning in Colchis. Medea kills her brother, her father's heir. She kills Jason's sons. She kills the King of Corinth's daughter. She tries to destroy Theseus as well, so that her children with Aegeus are the future.
And here lies the genesis of her immortality. As dangerous as she may be, without Medea – without the power to progenerate – there is no future for kings or paupers. Jason and Aegeus used Medea to advance their cause, conscious that same power could destroy it. The power itself, though, one might try and tame the wind.
Figure 1: Medea by Alphonse Mucha, 1898. This work is in the public domain in the United States because it was published (or registered with the U.S. Copyright Office) before January 1, 1923.
Figure 2: Here, Medea saves Jason's father Aeson. By Girolamo Macchietti – The Yorck Project (2002) 10.000 Meisterwerke der Malerei (DVD-ROM), distributed by DIRECTMEDIA Publishing GmbH. ISBN: 3936122202., Public Domain, https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?curid=154202. This work is in the public domain in the United States because it was published (or registered with the U.S. Copyright Office) before January 1, 1923.
Featured Image: Medea by Artemisia Gentileschi – Own work, CC BY-SA 4.0, https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?curid=54717055
This article is drawn from the following sources:
"Medea," Encyclopedia Mythica. Encyclopedia Mythica, 3 Mar. 1997. Web. 14 May 2018.
Worthington, Ian. "The Ending of Euripides' 'Medea,'" Hermes, 118 Bd. H. 4 (1990), pp. 502-505. (http://www.jstor.org/stable/4476790).
Flory, Stewart. "Medea's Right Hand: Promises and Revenge," Transactions of the American Philological Association, Vol. 108 (1978), pp. 64-74.
(http://www.jstor.org/stable/284236).
Blood Monster: When the Serial Killer is a Woman
When Charlize Theron depicted Aileen Wuornos in the movie 2003 Monster, it was to critical acclaim, eventually winning Theron an Academy Award. Certainly, Theron's role was a riveting portrayal, but the true story of not only the murders but Wuornos herself is complex, twisted and well… rivetting. We've seen the real and made-up faces of male serial killers, but few times have we seen a female one. We didn't know what to expect. There was a nationwide gasp when the beautiful Theron transformed herself into the physicality of Wuornos through the help of make-up, but also through something more, a dark vulnerability.
But Wuornos was the not the first female serial killer, any quick Google search will come up with lists that span the centuries with crimes that will turn your stomach. Ever present on those lists is the infamous Hungarian noble, Elizabeth Bathory of the 17th century, often proclaimed as the most prolific female serial killer in history or romanticized in popular imaginations as a supernatural creature,
thirsting for blood. The flourish of storytelling that has evolved with time has helped create this image, as well from the relative proximity of the infamous Vlad the Impaler of Romania, later popularized by Bram Stoker as Dracula.
The story of Bathory is much more complex and while you may find Wuornos's method of murder less heinous, the two woman share the same dark vulnerability despite from being from vastly different time periods, cultures and socio-economic classes.
Why did they kill?
Wuornos who occasionally worked as a prostitute, targeted men. The calculation behind the murders is uncertain, but she claims to have shot them after they attempted to sexually assault her. Unlike Bathory, we have clearer history of Wuornos's childhood, one that seemed filled with her experiences of both physical and sexual violence perpetrated by men in her life.
Bathory's childhood is less certain other than she spent those years mostly the family estate of Ecsed. Rumors abound on the mental health and sexual deviance of her family members, but there is no definitive evidence to prove them. She married young to Ferenc Nàdasdy. Shortly before at age thirteen, she gave birth to a child most likely fathered by a male of a lower social class, possibly even a servant. It is no surprise that the child was sent away immediately after birth. Bathory was considered a beauty in her time and following the birth of her first child, got into line with social expectations and often capitalizing on them. If anything, she seemed to become acutely aware of appearances.
Wuornos experienced a life where sex was a twisted commodity that both created the "monster" she became, but also provided money and goods. Bathory, as were so many women of her time and of the noble class, was subject to the requirements of propriety and strategic work of creating heirs. Along with that came the work of household management and the growth and/or protection of family power.
When Wuornos shot and killed seven men, most likely actual or potential johns, it was in reaction to either a real or imaged threat of sexual violence. A type of violence she had been, since childhood much too experienced with and familiar.
There is no record of Bathory consuming or bathing in the blood of her victims, but some
Elizabeth Bathory
accounts suggest that she often tortured and murdered after social events that required her to maintain a high level of appearance. Her victims were all girls and young women, some as young as ten, but mostly those at the age of puberty, at or near sexual maturity.
In reaction to societal stressors, both killers seemed driven to take extreme actions that resulted in rebellion. What is particularly striking about these two examples of killers, is that they were not driven to murder only out of sexual deviation or some latent sociopathic fascination. They murdered because they were women, because they had experienced life as women, despite the time period and socio-economic differences.
Whatever psychosis they most likely had before they experienced the worst of life, it was the worst of their female experiences that they were reacting. Feeling sympathy for figures like these is dangerous and their crimes are very real. Particularly, in the case of Bathory, the crimes were brutal, horrid and filled with the unimaginable, which harnessed a vile concentrated form of rage at some of the darkest parts of the female existence.


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New Zealand String Quartet Stands and Delivers
New Zealand Beethoven: New Zealand String Quartet – Helene Pohl, Douglas Beilman (violins), Gillian Ansell (viola), Rolf Gjelsten (cello), The Old Library Arts Centre, Whangarei, Northland, New Zealand, 10.5.2012. [PSe]
String Quartets, Op. 59 : Nos. 1 and 2 "Razumovsky"
This year, one of our most venerable chamber ensembles, the world-class New Zealand String Quartet, is celebrating its silver jubilee. However, the NZSQ's members have little or no time for basking in bucketsful of bouquets and banquets, as they are undertaking an intensive programme of recital tours, both at home and abroad. Neither are they resting on their musical laurels, as they are marking this anniversary by pulling focus on arguably one of the most challenging and influential series of musical works ever written.
In spite of the brilliant promise of his early works, the young Beethoven clearly regarded composing as a "second string", concentrating on building a reputation primarily as a performer. Sadly (for him), it all fell apart. By 1802 he'd been driven to the very brink of suicide, not merely through dread of his encroaching deafness, but more through fear of its career consequences – inevitable and utter shame, ridicule and professional ruin. As he declared in his Heiligenstadt Testament: "I would have put an end to my life; only art it was that held me back."
In his mind, the door had closed irrevocably on the music without – but then, it seems, another door had opened on the true potential of the music within. Was this redeeming vision a miracle? It would appear so. From the pit of despair the erstwhile brilliant performer emerged, transfigured into a creative genius who sublimated his resentful rage (mixed, I'd guess, with sundry feelings of relief) into a host of ground-breaking compositions.
Why am I telling – or, as is more likely, reminding – you of this? Well, it's because Beethoven's transformation is nowhere more marked than in his string quartets – the very works that presently hold NZSQ's attention. Beethoven completed his six Op. 18 Quartets in 1798, the same year that he learnt the appalling truth about his aggravating hearing problem.
Postdating the suicidal crisis that precipitated his "middle period", the remainder of his sixteen string quartets are "something completely different". In itself, their unprecedented musical complexity is bewildering enough, but it's also compounded by an equally unprecedented emotional range, expressed with a disconcertingly red-raw candour, bristling with eruptive mood-swings, acrid dissonances and startling interjections, and exploring realms that even today remain privileged to a precious few.
The three "Razumovsky" Quartets Op. 59 are amongst the first fruits of this "new, improved" Beethoven. For Whangarei's almost full, but fully enraptured house, NZSQ performed Nos. 1 and 2. By way of introduction violist Gillian Ansell announced, "We've been touring these for three weeks, perfecting them just for you." As it turned out, this remark was not entirely tongue-in-cheek – by the time they'd done, I was feeling distinctly disenchanted with my CDs of these works.
This is partly because NZSQ – obviously excepting the cellist – play standing up, like concerto soloists. Why, I wondered, is this evidently eminently advantageous practice so unusual nowadays? Corporeal expressiveness is second nature to, for instance, your average rock band and, for that matter, can anyone honestly say that he or she has never felt the urge to nod, sway, tap or "conduct" in response to the sound of music? I'm sure that contemporary classical audiences sit so deathly still only because they are, in effect, conditioned by etiquette (at concerts, I for one generally have to sit on my hands!).
At rock bottom, music and movement are intimately related, both facets of the same innate urge – hence, particularly for performers, corporeal expressiveness is severely constrained by being seated, and entirely emancipated by standing up. Even – or especially – technically accomplished musicians find that they play significantly better and communicate far more effectively, with both one another and their audience.
You might be wondering how cellist Rolf Gjelsten compensated for his fetters. Firstly, his seat was raised, making his playing posture more that of a double-bassist than a "normal" cellist, and elevating his head to the same level as those of his upstanding colleagues. Secondly, he'd perfected an astonishing range of vivid facial expressions – though, I hasten to add, nothing like the grotesque exaggerations of certain "anguished" instrumental prima donnas.
Surely, to a significant degree, this corporeality underpinned both the unwavering, intense concentration with which NZSQ guided us through Beethoven's vast musical minefields, and the equally intense attention of the audience. I didn't use the term "fully enraptured" lightly; there really was something mesmeric about these performances. Suddenly, with no apparent effort on my part, music that I normally had to "work at" was rolling into and across my mind on well-oiled and superbly engineered castors.
At one extreme, this drew, in our minds' eyes, the aural architecture, the musical logic that makes sense of the otherwise dizzying procession of seemingly disparate incidents. At the other, it helped to elucidate the myriad details clamouring for attention, simply because these could be seen as well as heard. The visual clues conveyed by the often almost balletic bodily movements – which, incidentally, were in themselves a pleasure to behold – make a much bigger difference to your perceptions of complex passages than you might expect.
The downside of "enraptured" is that it plays havoc with one's critical faculties! However, I managed to retain enough of my critical wits to observe that this corporeal expression joined hands with the NZSQ's tremendous technique to serve and support two extremely intelligent and idiomatic interpretations.
Their playing and ensemble were breathtaking, commanding a seemingly symphonic dynamic range, and immaculately balancing their resonant instruments one against another. This lent immense solidity to chords, and crystal-clarity to counterpoints. Thus, the few fluffs – and there were some! – in and amongst were not so much "mistakes" as testament to a commendably high risk factor. Then again, sometimes they didn't sound "nice" – but this was only when the music itself wasn't "nice", in particular when the players (quite rightly!) rendered Beethoven's more excruciating dissonances – to quote the words of the legendary Mr. T. E. Bean – "exactly as advertised".
A quick flip through the music will suffice to convey the flavour. In No. 2 (played first), their terrific energy and spine-tingling control of dynamic gradations immediately grabbed the listener by the throat. Contrastingly, the second movement ranged from melting tenderness, with important "inner" parts finely delineated, to vehemence; whilst the third was now nervy, twitchy, now suddenly flowing with vigour. The finale set off distinctly in the genial spirit of the "galloping major", but, in the flurries of counterpoint, the players, as alert as crouching cats, slashed with the claws of Beethoven's knife-edged accents.
NZSQ pulled no punches in the opening movement of No. 1, punctuating the disarming melody with alarming interjections, like bitter spikes penetrating sweet syrup. The second movement found them making great play with the "simple" tune and its stuttering rhythmic accompaniment, whereas the infinitely regretful third preserved an evolutionary sense of continuity in its passage through impassioned outburst and ineffable whisper. The finale, jumping with a jollity sustained through ferocious onslaughts, ultimately developed an appropriate sense of celebration, over which hovered Haydn's witty spirit, approving his pupil's genius – which, I presume, is just what Beethoven intended?
The only fault worth mentioning about this concert was the omission of the third – and shortest – quartet of the set, but perhaps that's just me being greedy for more. This was a veritable feast of Beethoven's best, equally thrilling to those who know (or thought they knew) this music inside-out and to those lucky souls who were hearing it for the first time – it made a truly unforgettable start to Whangarei Music Society's 2012 season.
Paul Serotsky
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A Don Giovanni with a Difference in Dresden
Notes from the Dresden Music Festival 2012 (1)


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