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If You Were the Czar of Music
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If, at any music show (except for Skynyrd), someone yells out 'Freebird!', the band gets to beat the offender senseless with no fear of legal or civil penalties...
speedicut, Oct 27, 2021
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DennisC Country Gent
No rules. Anarchy in the UK, Anarchy in the US, Anarchy all over.
One exception - changing out lyrics would be banned. "And no religion, too" being changed into "And one religion, too" is such an ignorant thing to do ... if John had wanted to say that, he'd have said that. Obviously, there are people who think if they like someone's music, they get to decide what is to be said within it ... which I strongly disagree to.
DennisC, Oct 27, 2021
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Bertotti Friend of Fred
No rules, if I don't like it I don't listen to it.
Bertotti, Oct 27, 2021
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Here the they are, the Fat Five, direct from Tashkent:
Sunnat, Timor, Umid, Zurif and Ringo!
Singing all your favorites:
Qo'lingni Ushlamoqchiman
U Sizni Sevadi
Sariq Suv Osti Kemasi
Sehrli Sirli Sayohat
I need eye wash!
How can I unsee something?
There goes my appetite.
wabash slim, Oct 27, 2021
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pmac11 Country Gent
"There are two kinds of music...the good kind, and the other kind"
Louis Armstrong (I think).
pmac11, Oct 27, 2021
Having a Czar of music would kill music. Elvis among many others would have been sent to a Siberian prison.
So I would say people should enjoy thr music they like and get over the music they don't. And stop being a grumpy old person about music.
Henry, Oct 27, 2021
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I reserve the right to be a grumpy old Jarhead any time I want! Sometimes I listen to bad music just so I can grump out!
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TSims1 Gretschified
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Students in grade 4 would no longer be sent home to unsuspecting parents with a recorder, aka "Satan's Whistle"
That made me laugh out loud
TSims1, Oct 27, 2021
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I have twin daughters in grade 6... Two years ago they both brought the darn things home!
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Grumpiness is a fundamental human right!
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drmilktruck I Bleed Orange
Plymouth, MN
Sadly what I usually get grumpy about is picayune stuff. For the most part, popular music has become staid and conservative, the rebellion is long gone. Too much money. Even acts that aim to shock are unoriginal. Been there, done that. (I have to laugh at the rare person with a Mohawk now. That's over 40 years old. Dreadlocks? That's 50 years old in popular culture. Even mullets are from the 80s. Tie dye? 60s. Satanic stuff? 70s. While people here rant about rap, it originated in the 70s and gangsta rap came along in the 80s.)
drmilktruck, Oct 27, 2021
I have a matrix of non-comformity. What you speak of is in the conforming non- conformist; i.e. not conforming to general society but in a conforming manner. A similar term would be sub culture.
But really use 40, 50, 60 and beyond really don't know or understand the new generations. We try to overlay our own perspective on the new generations but that is inherently flawed as implicitly you are saying "you need to rebel in a specific way that I consider rebelliois". In other words, it is another manner of conforming non-conformism.
Sure old generations rebelled by a certain hairstyle or wearing certain clothes. After that has been established it is just a style. Why should we expect new generations to rebel in the same way? Why should they have to make up a completely new hair style, just to please old people? Dreadlocks is not rebellion, it is a conforming hair do for certain cultures.
So I would argue that your grumpy old man-ness is just an further extension of well being a grumpy old person.
And it begs the question: why feel the need to judge others at all?
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I bought my kids a recorder just to mess with my wife!
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hahaha, I like to go to the mall or downtown just so I can watch the weirdos and make fun of them, but some of them know me and make fun of me so we are even in the end! I fear I have become one of the guys in the box on the muppets show! Not quite that old yet but I think the attitude is there!
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This veered off into an unexpected direction. It started as a tongue in cheek suggestion of being a music czar, as if such a thing could ever exist and suddenly it was taken seriously. Young folks can rebel however they want, it's always the way it's been. Each new generation acts like they're the first ones ever to experience growing up, although nothing is new under the sun. Old people can complain about young people as they always have. Part of it of is envy, missing that time when the future was still open. Part of it is relief, that I'll never have to go through that again.
As you are now, so once was I. As I am now, so you too will be.
To late to complain about bag pipe/banjo duets?
LongJohn, Oct 27, 2021
Synchro The artist formerly known as: Synchro Staff Member
Interesting subject and some interesting comments. Ultimately, music is a reflection of society. Stephen Foster was a product of his times, but he'd be little more than a curiosity today. Music is always changing.
Pop/Top-40 and I parted company when click tracks and synthesizer sequences became preponderant. I like auto-tune even less, or any heavily processed vocals, for that matter. If I can do six vocal takes with no hope of making money for all of my effort, some rich Pop star can stay at it until they get it right.
Ultimately, every generation sees change. My father was no fan of Rock n' Roll, and he probably would not have liked the direction music has taken in the decades since his passing. My tastes were influenced by him, but extended farther along the timeline, because I was a generation younger. (He was actually pretty tolerant of my tastes.)
But now I see my own tastes becoming outdated. Perhaps it's a natural consequence as time passes. what would Mozart or Back have thought of auto-tune, or Buddy Holly, or Elvis, or Benny Goodman, or Satchmo, or Stephen Foster? Maybe even Stephen Foster would not have been up to their standards. It would be interesting to know how every stage of musical development would have looked to the classical masters. We build upon their work, but would they approve?
There is another element to this, and that is the changing nature of the music business. The way music is produced has changed and the way that money is invested in music has changed. Obviously, no one wants to invest in music that they can't make a profit on, but it seems like the focus has changed drastically, with greater emphasis on visual flash, and less upon quality music. Perhaps that is simply the most recent steps in a long process. Les Paul and Mary Ford were highly visible, with television appearances (and their own show), long before MTV.
Had I some mystical power over music, I would not wield it upon musicians, producers, investors, or anyone else in the business. Instead, I would like for music consumers to be more aware and less willing to accept music, simply because it's hyped. I was fortunate to be raised listening to a wide variety of music, from early Jazz, to Big Band, to Crooners, to Chet, to the Ventures, and even to classical. This gave me a musical yardstick that was very useful. I wish this for every listener.
Synchro, Oct 27, 2021
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Floo Country Gent
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I would like for music consumers to be more aware and less willing to accept music, simply because it's hyped.
Now that would be good, if listeners really developed a taste of their own, not just following some hype. But it seems to be difficult to be different.
I'm actually considering buying a tweed suit for everyday, just to be a counterpoint to today's clothing...
Floo, Oct 28, 2021
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It's sad, but most music these days if hype, and hype only. Some of it is good music, but a lot of garbage gets promoted, as well.
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If I was the Czar of music, my first and only act would be to abolish the position.
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May 6, 2002 12:01 am ET
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The penny-a-share increase was in keeping with IBM's annual tradition over the past several years. (Payouts began to climb again in 1996 after having been slashed by 79% in 1993; that was the first reduction since dividends were initiated in 1916.)
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At the end of the first quarter, IBM had $2.8 billion remaining under an existing buyback program. The company has spent about $46 billion since the start of 1995 on stock repurchases, according to Annex Research.
A component of the Dow Jones Industrial Average, Big Blue's shares recently were quoted in the mid-80s, down from a 52-week high of 126.39 set Jan. 9. Wendy Abramowitz, an Argus Research market strategist, thinks IBM is a good long-term investment and rates it a Buy. Ditto Goldman Sachs, while Bernstein Research termed IBM a "show-me stock" that will have to prove itself in the market.
Samuel J. Palmisano, who was named chief executive March 1, succeeding Louis V. Gerstner, who remains chairman through the end of this year, said that despite the economic downturn that caused IBM to miss its earnings target for the first quarter, "we believe we gained or held market share." In his opinion, IBM is well positioned for a future buildup of Internet infrastructure, once businesses resume spending. The company invested $5.8 billion in research and development last year and $5.7 billion in capital expenditures.
(Gerstner, by the way, is working on a book recounting IBM's turnaround from near-collapse in the early 1990s, reflecting, in great measure, its bad call on the potential for personal computers. He took the helm at IBM in April 1993.)
Big Blue posted first-quarter earnings 32% lower than the comparable year-ago showing on a 12% revenue drop. Palmisano blamed "the continued weak global business environment. Customers in every part of the world deferred technology purchases in the first quarter, and these widespread deferrals hurt us across every one of our major business segments."
For the quarter, net income totaled $1.19 billion, or 68 cents, compared with $1.75 billion, or 98 cents. Revenue dropped to $18.55 billion from $21.04 billion. IBM said its downturn didn't reflect a weakening of its competitive position.
Chief Financial Officer John R. Joyce said that "there are a number of areas where things aren't getting worse" and that IBM "should be able to make" analysts' revised estimates for 2002. Wall Street's consensus bet on the year, according to Thomson Financial/First Call, is $4.16 a share, down from $4.35 in 2001. The pros peg revenues at around $83 billion, off from $85.87 billion.
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Last week's other dividend happenings included boosts from a bevy of big companies. Among them was PepsiCo, which raised its quarterly common disbursement from 14.5 cents to 15 cents a share, payable June 28 to investors of record June 7. The action marked the 30th straight year that the food and beverage giant has sweetened its dividend. First-quarter net gained 14% on an 8.5% rise in sales. ... Marking a decade of consecutive annual dividend increases, La-Z-Boy, the world's No. 1 maker of reclining chairs, raised its quarterly payout by a penny, to a dime a share. The respective payment and record dates are June 10 and May 24. Chairman Patrick H. Norton said business in the company's fiscal fourth quarter, ended April 30, was "unbelievable," with a 17.6% jump in residential-furniture unit volume since the last part of September. ... UGI, a holding company that owns a 51% stake in AmeriGas Partners, the nation's largest retail propane marketer, voted a 3% dividend boost, to 41.25 cents a share from 40 cents. It is payable July 1, and the record date is May 31. This is UGI's 15th annual dividend boost in a row, and it has been making payouts for 117 years without interruption.
Latest quarterly payout boost is a penny

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This week's featured guest is Laura Okmin, an NFL reporter for Fox and the founder of GALvanize. She speaks with David about her organization and its upcoming bootcamps for young women in sports broadcasting.
Earlier in the show, reporter Brian Murphy of The News & Observer discusses the prospect of allowing college athletes to profit from their names. USA Today reporter A.J. Perez also joins David to analyze the U.S. Supreme Court's decision earlier this week to let states regulate sports gambling.
In college sports, the contentious debate over how student athletes should be treated is nothing new – but the question of whether students should be allowed to make some money from their collegiate athletic careers has seen recent escalation.
Brian Murphy covers the Washington, D.C. beat as a correspondent for The News & Observer and McClatchy. In an article earlier this week, Murphy writes about a Republican Congressman from North Carolina who recently threw his own powerful opinion into the ring by penning an opinion piece for The News & Observer.
David points out that this is difficult to balance with the fact that Walker is simultaneously against the idea of paying the student athletes.
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Murphy says the Olympic model is gaining steam as one of the possible solutions being floated in the NCAA debate.
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Proponents of financial rights for college athletes say the compensation would appropriately reward their achievements, serve as an incentivize for them to finish school, and put them in a better position to have the future they want.
Any kind of big move on this issue by the NCAA will likely need to involve legislation, David speculates.
On Monday, the U.S. Supreme Court handed down an important and long-awaited decision: federal limitations on sports betting, it ruled, are unconstitutional.
A.J. Perez, a sports reporter for USA Today, has been following this story's progression for the past decade. Back then, he reported on Delaware's attempt to circumvent the sports betting limitations. Fast forward about ten years, and Perez was able to report on Monday's momentous court decision.
"It finally happened," he said.
New Jersey will be the first to offer sports betting within the next week, with others – e.g. West Virginia, Mississippi and Delaware – to follow close behind.
David and Perez discuss the potential pros and cons of the court's decision, as well as the merits of federal oversight.
States will choose how much they want to tax the newly-legalized pastime, which is something that will likely deviate widely from how Nevada (the only state in which sports gambling has already been legal) has been operating.
"They're all taxing more than Nevada," Perez tells HWTP Sports Talk. He notes that Delaware's state taxes are already extremely steep, for example, and that Pennsylvania is looking into demanding large sanctioning fees on top of their similarly high state tax.
Perez says that with the exception of a small handful of states, he expects that most others will leave it up to their state lotteries or a gaming commission to finalize specific betting rules and guidelines.
For over 20 years, Laura Okmin has been at the forefront of professional sports broadcast media. She has hosted, anchored, reported, produced – you name it, she's done it. Currently, she works as an NFL sideline reporter for Fox.
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Message received: Florida legislators "mulling" restoral of Disney tax district after Iger hits reverse
December 2, 2022 / By American Freedom / In News
Source: Hot Air
Chalk up Bob Iger's first public mission as Disney's CEO a success. And that doesn't refer to the share price or admission fees.
After pushing out his hand-picked successor in a two-year fight, Iger immediately started pushing a message of political conciliation. He used a town hall meeting with employees as a vehicle, but he clearly aimed at parents and Florida legislators — two groups that Disney had alienated in the Bob Chapek era.
It didn't take long to get a positive reaction from outside the House of Mouse, either:
Florida lawmakers are mulling plans to reverse a move that would strip Walt Disney Co. (DIS.N) of its right to operate a private government around its famous theme-parks, the Financial Times reported on Friday, citing people briefed on the plan.
In April, lawmakers had given their final approval to a bill ending Walt Disney's designation as a self-governing entity, in an apparent response to its opposition to a state law limiting the teaching of LGBTQ issues in schools.
The new law would also mean that Disney would have to pay more taxes, state governor Ron DeSantis had said in April when he signed the bill.
The state lawmakers are working on a compromise that would allow Disney to keep the arrangement largely in place with a few modifications, the FT reported.
The FT report is behind a firm paywall, but both Reuters above and Fox Business have picked up on it this morning.
As our VIP columnist Tom Jackson in Florida reminded us before Thanksgiving, the law dismantling the Reedy Creek District doesn't come into effect until July of next year. The legislature has plenty of options, including a straight repeal or a series of ways to tweak the statute to allow Disney to retain most of the benefits. That clearly occurred to Iger too, using the leadership change to signal a truce in the culture wars.
Of course, that overlooks the role Iger played in stoking Disney's political war in Florida in the first place. Chapek himself was inclined to stay out of the fight over the Parental Rights in Education Act at first, and only got pushed into it by activist employees. Iger's public-if-barely-implicit criticism of Chapek for staying quiet on issues of "right and wrong" contributed to that push even more:
Bob Chapek, Iger's successor, initially opted not to speak out against the controversial law. But corporate executives should voice their opinions about ethical dilemmas, Iger recently told CNN+ host Chris Wallace.
"A lot of these issues are not necessarily political," Iger told CNN+ host Chris Wallace. "It's about right and wrong. So, I happen to feel and I tweeted an opinion about the 'Don't Say Gay' bill in Florida. To me, it wasn't about politics. It is about what is right and what is wrong, and that just seemed wrong. It seemed potentially harmful to kids."
Speaking Thursday on CNN's "New Day," Wallace noted that his interview with Iger was conducted a few weeks ago. The law, officially called "Parental Rights in Education" bill, was signed by Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis on Monday and it will take effect in July.
"When you're dealing with right and wrong or when you're dealing with something that does have profound impact on your business, I just think you have to do what is right and not worry about the potential backlash to it," Iger told Wallace.
That was before Disney discovered that parents actually supported the bill, and not just in Florida but across the country. It was before their uberwoke children's movie Strange World turned into a box-office disaster, too. And it was before their war on Ron DeSantis propelled him to a massive landslide last month, winning all but five counties in the state of Florida and crushing former governor Charlie Crist by nineteen points, while strengthening Republicans and conservatives in both the state legislature and local school boards throughout the state.
Let's make sure this point gets underscored: Chapek was actually the smart executive in this situation. Iger was the one who miscalculated while using the activists to undermine Chapek to eventually get his old job back. Iger should get some credit for drawing the correct conclusions from the outcome, but Iger is the one who misread the situation and forced Chapek into a bad bet.
That's something that Florida legislators should consider when reconsidering the Reedy Creek repeal. Iger appears to regret losing more than he regrets his foray into political activism. On the other hand, now that he's in harness at Disney again for the next two years and unable to pursue his reported presidential ambitions, maybe Iger's thirst for political jousting has disappeared.


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Hackers and cybercrime prevention
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How Australia is keeping pace with ICS threats
Besides bridging the security gap between IT and operational technology teams, Australia is driving efforts to bolster the security of IoT devices
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A fire took out the Warnambool telephone exchange in the Australian state of Victoria in 2012, leaving 100,000 locals without connection for three weeks and reportedly costing A$950,000 a day. A cyber attack could have a similarly profound impact.
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Australia's Computer Emergency Response Team (Cert) does not yet break out the industrial component of the cyber incidents it responds to – but it does examine how best to protect industrial control systems (ICS) in its Essential Eight mitigation strategy.
While the scale of the problem that Australian industry faces is hard to quantify, no one disputes the threat is real.
According to a 2016 report by the Australian Cyber Security Centre (ACSC), a significant amount of data was stolen from the corporate network of an Australian critical infrastructure operator, including sensitive information relating to the organisation's physical security and layout.
The ACSC's investigation revealed the actor used legitimate credentials belonging to a staff member and a contractor of the organisation during the compromise. The actor was able to escalate their privilege to administrator level, enabling further compromise.
"Imagine if someone took out a telecommunications network for a week or a month or two – I don't think people realise how fragile they are," says Matt Tett, chair of the Internet of Things Alliance Australia (IoTAA) working group focused on cyber security and network resilience. "And with electricity systems, there is no redundancy, so there's no back up if it's out."
ICS security gap
Right now, Tett says there is insufficient collaboration and communication between the teams deploying industrial systems and those running IT, with many of them operating in silos.
Deloitte describes this as the ICS cyber security gap. It notes that supervisory control and data acquisition (Scada) systems and distributed control systems used in operations were originally intended to operate on isolated proprietary networks where cyber threats were minimal.
Increasingly, however, they are being linked to other networks and the internet, featuring internet of things (IoT) devices that – unless properly secured and monitored – can become a weak link in the chain. Deployed by operations staff, whose métier is not necessarily cyber security, these IoT devices can create a security gap.
"In their world, this is just a piece of kit – it's not a computer, and as long as it keeps working they don't care"
Phil Kernick, CQR Consulting
A glimpse of the extent to which IoT devices are now being deployed in Australian industry was provided at the recent CeBit conference in Sydney by Belinda Hodkinson, digital engineering strategy lead for the Snowy Mountains Engineering Company.
The company uses sensors to track soil movement, and the data is used to interpret the stability of a site. If the sensors detect a problem, safety messages are sent to staff by text warning them something is awry.
While there is a clear benefit of connecting ICS systems to the internet to deliver operational efficiencies – by alleviating the need to send someone to turn valves on and off, for example – all it takes is for a consumer-grade IoT camera to be installed to monitor a stockpile, and a weak link is added to the chain.
"People are buying off-the-shelf products and connecting them to their networks – and that is the weakest link that is causing headaches and problems," Tett says. "Part of our role at IoTAA is raising awareness at the supplier side about what their products are used for, and making sure the demand side is aware too."
Phil Kernick, chief technology officer and co-founder of Adelaide-based consulting business CQR Consulting, says part of the problem is that the people deploying industrial technology are not as aware of the cyber risks as their IT peers in the business.
"In their world, this is just a piece of kit – it's not a computer, and as long as it keeps working they don't care," says the former electrical engineer.
According to Kernick, a key risk for most enterprises running ICS is that they often don't even know if their systems have been compromised.
"I'm moderately surprised that we have not seen more industries ravaged by ransomware," says Kernick. He acknowledges that it is unlikely any breach of security would compromise private data, so companies would not be obliged to disclose any compromise.
Under Australia's notifiable data breaches scheme, only data breaches involving personal information that are likely to result in serious harm to any individual need to be reported to the authorities.
Tougher stance needed
Right now, Karnick says attempting to deal with the ICS security gap is "like putting a band aid on cancer" because there is often no secure alternative to the IoT and programmable logic controllers already on the market.
Kernick says the industry needs to take a tougher stance with equipment manufacturers and demand greater security controls be designed into solutions, with regular updates and patches made available in the same way as is the case with information systems.
In the meantime, he calls for the need to "transition the management of assets to people with qualifications – not leave it to the electricians and plumbers who were there when this was first put in".
The IoTAA is also working on a Trustmark certification programme that it hopes to launch in September 2018 that will seed a degree of confidence about the security of IoT devices.
"We are leading the rest of the world, and hopefully the manufacturers will come on board because they are the ones that have to pay to have their products certified," says Tett.
"The benefit ultimately would be that procurement agencies, instead of paper audits, would be able to see that the claims of the vendors have been materially tested and certified against that, and with any luck they would give those vendors preference."
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The Partick connection: how a small Scottish club opened the door to England
Most sports historians will know of Partick players James Love and Fergus Suter becoming the first football professionals when they joined Darwen in 1878.
But few appreciate that Partick blazed a trail as a 'shop window' for Scottish players and how their unlikely relationship with Darwen prompted a cross-border revolution which saw a number of others follow in Love and Suter's footsteps.
Modern sport in Partick has its origins in the West of Scotland Cricket Club, founded 1862, whose home at Hamilton Crescent was the only major enclosed sports ground close to Glasgow. It hosted the first football international in 1872 as well as numerous other major sporting events including top level cricket, athletics and rugby. West of Scotland started playing football in 1865, but they chose rugby rules and it was not until 1875 that members of Partick Cricket Club expanded their horizons to become Partick Cricket and Football Club, playing to association rules.
Partick (not to be confused with Partick Thistle) made little impact on the Scottish Cup in their ten year existence and never provided an internationalist, yet they were doughty football pioneers: within months of their foundation, they were the first Scottish club apart from Queen's Park to play a match south of the border.
Meanwhile in Lancashire, Darwen also grew out of a cricket club, dabbled with rugby rules, then switched to association football. The romance of their brief flirt with fame was cleverly told in Keith Dewhurst's book 'Underdogs', but as so often with early football history his dividing line between established truth and educated guesswork is hazy.
The story began on New Year's Day 1876 when Partick travelled to the mill town of Darwen, 20 miles north of Manchester. Although the game was not mentioned in local papers there was a brief report in Bell's Life: 'The Partick Club seem to have had it all their own way at Manchester … in presence of upward of 5,000 people. Most of the English team were Rugby players, and two of them are amongst the finest exponents of those rules in England. The Partick Club sent a very strong team to Manchester, including four of the Eastern, and the result was painfully one-sided, Partick carrying off the game by seven goals to nothing.'
Teams were not listed but the mention of 'four of the Eastern' is interesting as that club's members included Peter Andrews who moved to Sheffield that year, for work reasons. After the match the teams had dinner together at the Greenway Hotel (nowadays named The Cock, in Duckworth Street) which was close to Darwen's Barley Bank ground.
So, why would a team from a Glasgow suburb (in fact, a separate burgh) travel 200 miles to play an inexperienced eleven in an obscure Lancashire town?
The genesis of this link between can confidently be traced to William Kirkham of Darwen, who went to work in Partick and played football there before returning south around 1877, featuring in the Darwen team until 1880. Kirkham must have instigated the frequent contacts between the two football clubs over the next few years:
1 January 1876: Darwen 0 Partick 7
10 November 1877: Partick 5 Darwen 0
2 October 1880: Darwen 4 Partick 1
31 December 1881: Darwen 3 Partick 3
Partick also faced Blackburn Rovers and Bolton Wanderers on their travels, and the series of games had far reaching implications, effectively acting as a 'shop window' for talented Scots players who would be among the earliest paid players in England.
Darwen was first to take full advantage, with the club perhaps open minded about the morality of paying footballers (which was not in fact outlawed by the FA until 1882). Their teams around this period included Tom Marshall, well known as a professional runner, and Ralph Crookes, who was their cricket professional in the summer months.
The first to move south was James Love, who can be found in the Darwen eleven for the opening game of the 1878/79 season, against Church on 26 October 1878. A few weeks later, Fergus Suter made the same journey, having started the season with Partick.
Love left after a year while Suter went on to a glittering career with Blackburn Rovers, and there is little doubt they were enticed by the promise of payment. In 1902, Suter recalled: 'We had no settled wage, but it was understood that we interviewed the treasurer as occasion arose. Possibly we should go three weeks without anything, and then ask for £10. We never had any difficulty.'
They were the first footballers to be paid, and soon others would use the 'Partick connection' to embark on a professional football career. To demonstrate this, take a look at the teams for the game on New Year's Day 1879, which Partick won 7-0 despite Darwen already having Love and Suter in their team.
Darwen: J Booth, A McWetherill, F Suter, WH Moorhouse, J Knowles, T Marshall, J Love, J Hayes, JG Gledhill, T Bury, Kirkham (reports do not specify if this is William).
Partick: E Suter, H McIntyre (Rangers), W Bell, JS Campbell, R Rolland, JN Boag, J Smith, R Hutchinson, R Love, WG Struthers (Rangers), W McLachlan.
 Several of the players are worthy of closer inspection.
In goal for Partick was Fergus's elder brother Edward, born in Bangor, Co Down, just before the Suter family moved to Scotland. Edward joined Darwen in November 1879, initially as a forward before reverting to goalkeeper and for a year the Suter brothers featured in the Darwen team together. Although Edward did not initially settle he married a local lass in 1883 and spent the rest of his life in Darwen. (NB a third brother, Jerry (christened Jarvis), was later a key figure with Partick Thistle and also moved south to work at Fergus's pub in Blackburn.)
There were two guest players from Rangers in the Partick team, Hugh McIntyre and William Struthers, who both turned professional.
McIntyre gravitated between Scotland and Lancashire before being induced to make the move permanent. His first match for Blackburn Rovers was in March 1879 v Sheffield yet he also played for Rangers in that season's Scottish Cup final. In October 1879 he captained Rangers against Blackburn Rovers, in December he played for Blackburn in the FA Cup, then won his Scotland cap in March 1880 as a Rangers player.
That summer he set up in business in Blackburn, and the inducement for moving south was money, as revealed in his bankruptcy case in 1892: 'The debtor, who was formerly captain of the Blackburn Rovers football team, was a journeyman upholsterer until 1880, when he commenced business as a licensed victualler at the Castle Inn, Blackburn; paying with borrowed money £500 for the goodwill, stock, plant, and license.' The clear inference is that the football club lent him the £500 to set him up in business in return for his footballing services.
William Struthers took slightly longer to move to Lancashire, joining Bolton Wanderers from Rangers in September 1881. He later became Bolton club secretary, moved on to coach Gorton Villa, and eventually emigrated to South Africa.
These players had such an impact that in October 1881 the Lancashire team included Fergus Suter, Hugh McIntyre and William Struthers (as well as another Scot, Jimmy Douglas who came from Renfrew).
But the Partick connection with Lancashire did not end there.
When Darwen played Old Etonians in the epic FA Cup quarter finals of 1879, which went to three matches, William Kirkham was injured in the second. His place in the third game was taken by W McLachlan, but this name does not appear in any other Darwen line-up, nor is there a McLachlan in local records. Yet there was a William McLachlan in the Partick team – was he invited to play for Darwen in an emergency?
In 1880, John Inglis played for Partick in their Lancashire friendlies. He also moved to Rangers, was capped by Scotland, and ended up at Blackburn Rovers where he won the FA Cup in 1884 alongside Suter and McIntyre.
Then there was Partick player and club secretary John Boag. Although he remained in Glasgow, and eventually 'transferred' to Partick Thistle in 1885 when the original club folded, he also had something of a love affair with Lancashire as in April 1882 he married local girl Eliza Almond in a Bolton church.
And the final direct link is also one of the most intriguing: James Gledhill, a key player in Darwen's FA Cup run, moved in the opposite direction to play for Partick.
Born in 1854 to an English father and Scottish mother, Gledhill was brought up near Preston and trained as a doctor in London, playing football for Pilgrims until he passed his medical diploma exams at Apothecaries Hall in 1878.
Returning north, he joined Darwen, one of the few clubs then playing to association rules, and was a key forward at this period. Then Gledhill left to complete his medical studies at Glasgow University, graduating in 1883, and - according to his nephew, writing to a newspaper many years later - while in the city he played for Partick under an assumed name. Dr Gledhill was a surgeon and lawyer in Lancashire but his health declined and he died in 1906 in an asylum, with sufficient reputation to earn an obituary in the British Medical Journal.
While there is insufficient space here to provide full details of all the players, the sum of these connections between Partick and Lancashire add up to a substantial contribution by one small club to the birth of the professional game.
If you would like to find out more, contribute further information or discuss these findings, please use the contact form on the home page or leave a comment below. Andy Mitchell
An English mystery: Darwen's internationalist Brindle
I've recently being researching the links between Partick and Darwen in the 1870s and 1880s, which include the movement south of James Love and Fergus Suter, thought to be the first professional players. I'll write that up soon but in the meantime I stumbled across a bizarre case of mistaken identity for one of the prominent Darwen players.
In the spring of 1880, the FA announced they had selected T Brindle of Darwen at full back for England's matches against Scotland and Wales. He was originally only chosen to face Wales, but a withdrawal led to him playing both games. Darwen's first internationalist, he is pictured above, circled, in a Boy's Own Paper supplement of 1881.
Newspapers around the country duly reported T Brindle in the team lines, and every reference book since then has gone with that name; in fact, a number of who's who publications, histories and wikipedia describe him as Thomas (or Tom) Brindle.
The trouble is, Darwen did not have a player of that name.
Darwen team lines for matches around that time consistently list W Brindle at full back, including the famous 1879 FA Cup ties against Old Etonians which brought him to national attention. He played for Lancashire, and in September 1880 W Brindle was elected captain of Darwen. He continued to play for the club until 1882.
He was a top player, deserving of international recognition, and his name was actually William Brindle. He is a difficult man to research as there are few references to him in the press apart from match reports, but from what I can establish he was born in Darwen in 1853 and worked in a paper mill. In the 1871 and 1881 census he is living at Hollins Row in Darwen with his parents and younger sister but then disappears from census records.
However, I found a reference to him in the Paper Maker and British Paper Trade Journal of 1 September 1916, which says:
WILLIAM BRINDLE, who was so well known as one of the best full-backs in Association football, and who was a tower of strength to the Darwen Football Club, left the service of Messrs. Potter & Co., Hollins, a short time ago to seek his fortune in America as a paper maker, and has now taken full charge as manager of the Spring Lawn Mills, Pennsylvania.
Whether he returned from Pennsylvania or settled there, I have been unable to establish and I invite other researchers to come up with some answers.
The question has to be asked, how did the FA make the mistake in the first place? I can only guess that they were familiar with the Darwen club president Tom Hindle, a well-known football administrator and founder of the Lancashire FA, and somehow got the two mixed up.
It seems extraordinary that the mistake was never spotted and has been perpetuated for such a long time. Hopefully the records can now be amended, albeit 135 years late, to give William Brindle his place in English football history.


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Q: how to use mongo schema validation with typescript in meteor? Is there a package to use schema validation in Meteor 1.3 when using Typescript. The recommended package from the Meteor guide (aldeed:simple-schema) does not seem to have a definition file.
So what to use instead, or maybe Typescript has a built-in way to do this?

A: The best package to use for Meteor 1.3 and up with Typescript is aldeed:node-simple-schema.
From the docs:

The History of SimpleSchema
SimpleSchema was first released as a Meteor package in mid-2013.
  Version 1.0 was released in September 2014. In mid-2016, version 2.0
  was released as an NPM package, which can be used in Meteor, NodeJS,
  or static browser apps.
Installation
npm install simpl-schema There are other NPM packages named
  simpleschema and simple-schema. Make sure you install the right
  package. There is no "e" on "simpl".

So the correct import in Typescript looks like this:
import SimpleSchema from 'simpl-schema';

But your question is specifically about typings. The place to start for Meteor typings is the Meteor typings library at https://github.com/meteor-typescript/meteor-typescript-libs/tree/master/definitions.
Within it, you'll find definitions for collection2 and simple-schema, but it's the old simple-schema.  They do give you a good starting point, and you'll want to come back and pick up the collection2 ones in a bit. Ultimately, after about a week of searching/etc.  I wrote my own set, based on the original on the Meteor Git.  Hopefully they are helpful to some future searcher, even if they are a bit late for you.
declare module "simpl-schema" {

export class ValidationContext {
    constructor(ss: any);
    addValidationErrors(errors: any): void;
    clean(...args: any[]): any;
    getErrorForKey(key: any, ...args: any[]): any;
    isValid(): any;
    keyErrorMessage(key: any, ...args: any[]): any;
    keyIsInvalid(key: any, ...args: any[]): any;
    reset(): void;
    setValidationErrors(errors: any): void;
    validate(obj: any, ...args: any[]): any;
    validationErrors(): any;
}

interface SchemaDefinition {
    type: any;
    label?: string | Function;
    optional?: boolean | Function;
    min?: number | boolean | Date | Function;
    max?: number | boolean | Date | Function;
    minCount?: number | Function;
    maxCount?: number | Function;
    allowedValues?: any[] | Function;
    decimal?: boolean;
    exclusiveMax?: boolean;
    exclusiveMin?: boolean;
    regEx?: RegExp | RegExp[];
    custom?: Function;
    blackbox?: boolean;
    autoValue?: Function;
    defaultValue?: any;
    trim?: boolean;
}

interface CleanOption {
  filter?: boolean;
  autoConvert?: boolean;
  removeEmptyStrings?: boolean;
  trimStrings?: boolean;
  getAutoValues?: boolean;
  isModifier?: boolean;
  extendAutoValueContext?: boolean;
}

interface SimpleSchemaStatic {
  new(schema: {[key: string]: SchemaDefinition} | any[]): SimpleSchemaStatic;
  debug: boolean;
  namedContext(name?: string): SimpleSchemaValidationContextStatic;
  addValidator(validator: Function): any;
  pick(...fields: string[]): SimpleSchemaStatic;
  omit(...fields: string[]): SimpleSchemaStatic;
  clean(doc: any, options?: CleanOption): any;
  schema(key?: string): SchemaDefinition | SchemaDefinition[];
  getDefinition(key: string, propList?: any, functionContext?: any): any;
  keyIsInBlackBox(key: string): boolean;
  labels(labels: {[key: string]: string}): void;
  label(key: any): any;
  Integer: RegExp;
  messages(messages: any): void;
  messageForError(type: any, key: any, def: any, value: any): string;
  allowsKey(key: any): string;
  newContext(): SimpleSchemaValidationContextStatic;
  objectKeys(keyPrefix: any): any[];
  validate(obj: any, options?: ValidationOption): void;
  validator(options: ValidationOption): Function;
  RegEx: {
      Email: RegExp;
      EmailWithTLD: RegExp;
      Domain: RegExp;
      WeakDomain: RegExp;
      IP: RegExp;
      IPv4: RegExp;
      IPv6: RegExp;
      Url: RegExp;
      Id: RegExp;
      ZipCode: RegExp;
      Phone: RegExp;
  };
}

interface ValidationOption {
    modifier?: boolean;
    upsert?: boolean;
    clean?: boolean;
    filter?: boolean;
    upsertextendedCustomContext?: boolean;
}

interface SimpleSchemaValidationContextStatic {
    validate(obj: any, options?: ValidationOption): boolean;
    validateOne(doc: any, keyName: string, options?: ValidationOption): boolean;
    resetValidation(): void;
    isValid(): boolean;
    invalidKeys(): { name: string; type: string; value?: any; }[];
    addInvalidKeys(errors: { name: string, type: string; }[]): void;
    keyIsInvalid(name: any): boolean;
    keyErrorMessage(name: any): string;
    getErrorObject(): any;
}

interface MongoObjectStatic {
    forEachNode(func: Function, options?: {endPointsOnly: boolean;}): void;
    getValueForPosition(position: string): any;
    setValueForPosition(position: string, value: any): void;
    removeValueForPosition(position: string): void;
    getKeyForPosition(position: string): any;
    getGenericKeyForPosition(position: string): any;
    getInfoForKey(key: string): any;
    getPositionForKey(key: string): string;
    getPositionsForGenericKey(key: string): string[];
    getValueForKey(key: string): any;
    addKey(key: string, val: any, op: string): any;
    removeGenericKeys(keys: string[]): void;
    removeGenericKey(key: string): void;
    removeKey(key: string): void;
    removeKeys(keys: string[]): void;
    filterGenericKeys(test: Function): void;
    setValueForKey(key: string, val: any): void;
    setValueForGenericKey(key: string, val: any): void;
    getObject(): any;
    getFlatObject(options?: {keepArrays?: boolean}): any;
    affectsKey(key: string): any;
    affectsGenericKey(key: string): any;
    affectsGenericKeyImplicit(key: string): any;
}

export const SimpleSchema: SimpleSchemaStatic;
export const SimpleSchemaValidationContext: SimpleSchemaValidationContextStatic;
export const MongoObject: MongoObjectStatic;

export interface SimpleSchema {
  debug: boolean;
  addValidator(validator: Function): any;
  extendOptions(options: {[key: string]: any}): void;
  messages(messages: any): void;
  RegEx: {
      Email: RegExp;
      Domain: RegExp;
      WeakDomain: RegExp;
      IP: RegExp;
      IPv4: RegExp;
      IPv6: RegExp;
      Url: RegExp;
      Id: RegExp;
      ZipCode: RegExp;
      Phone: RegExp;
  };
}

export interface MongoObject {
  expandKey(val: any, key: string, obj: any): void;
}

export default SimpleSchema;
}

This is based off the most recent versions of each as of 4/23/2017.
For bonus points, here's the set for validated-method, which you'll be looking for next:
declare module "meteor/mdg:validated-method" {
    declare class ValidatedMethod<T> extends MeteorValidatedMethod.ValidatedMethod<T> { }

    declare module MeteorValidatedMethod {
        export class ValidatedMethod<T> {
            constructor(options: ValidatedMethodOptions<T>);
            call(options?: T, cb?: (err, res)=> void): void;
        }

        interface ValidatedMethodOptions<T> {
            name: string;
            mixins?: Function[];
            validate: any;
            applyOptions: any;
            run(opts: T);
        }
    }
}

For the searcher who's embarking into schemas and validation in the Meteor world, here are a few more modules that will help round out your validation package:
aldeed:collection2-core       2.0.0  Core package for aldeed:collection2
aldeed:schema-deny            2.0.0  Deny inserting or updating certain properties through schema options
aldeed:schema-index           2.0.0  Control some MongoDB indexing with schema options
mdg:validated-method          1.1.0  A simple wrapper for Meteor.methods
mdg:validation-error          0.5.1  A standard validation error to be used by form/method/validation packages

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Randomness is a fundamental feature of nature and a valuable resource for applications ranging from cryptography and gambling to numerical simulation of physical and biological systems. Random numbers, however, are difficult to characterize mathematically1, and their generation must rely on an unpredictable physical process2, 3, 4, 5, 6. Inaccuracies in the theoretical modelling of such processes or failures of the devices, possibly due to adversarial attacks, limit the reliability of random number generators in ways that are difficult to control and detect. Here, inspired by earlier work on non-locality-based7, 8, 9 and device-independent10, 11, 12, 13, 14 quantum information processing, we show that the non-local correlations of entangled quantum particles can be used to certify the presence of genuine randomness. It is thereby possible to design a cryptographically secure random number generator that does not require any assumption about the internal working of the device. Such a strong form of randomness generation is impossible classically and possible in quantum systems only if certified by a Bell inequality violation15. We carry out a proof-of-concept demonstration of this proposal in a system of two entangled atoms separated by approximately one metre. The observed Bell inequality violation, featuring near perfect detection efficiency, guarantees that 42 new random numbers are generated with 99 per cent confidence. Our results lay the groundwork for future device-independent quantum information experiments and for addressing fundamental issues raised by the intrinsic randomness of quantum theory.


The easiest way I've found to determine the amount of oil you need is to place the turkey into the fryer and fill with water until the turkey is just covered. Remove turkey and allow to drain, pat dry with paper towels as well. Make note of the level of water in the fryer. Discard water and dry thoroughly. Fill frying vessel with oil to the level as noted above. This should help in preventing hot oil spillovers.
Layer a large platter with food-safe paper bags. Rinse turkey, and thoroughly pat dry with paper towels. Rub Creole seasoning over turkey inside and out. Make sure the hole at the neck is open at least 2 inches so the oil can flow freely through the bird. Place the whole onion and turkey in drain basket. The turkey should be placed in basket neck end first. Slowly lower basket into hot oil to completely cover turkey. Maintain the temperature of the oil at 350 degrees F, and cook the turkey for 3 1/2 minutes per pound, about 45 minutes. Carefully remove basket from oil, and drain turkey. Insert a meat thermometer into the thickest part of the thigh; the internal temperature must be 180 degrees F.
Prepare an outdoor grill for indirect medium heat, and lightly oil grate. Rinse turkey, and pat dry. Place turkey breast side down on the prepared grill. Sear turkey on both sides until skin is golden to dark brown. In a large roasting pan, mix together the water, bouillon powder, garlic powder, onion powder, poultry seasoning, parsley, and paprika. Place turkey breast side down in the roasting pan. Scoop the pan mixture over the turkey. Cover tightly with foil and place on grill. Grill 3 to 4 hours, until the internal temperature of the thigh, reaches 180F. Remove turkey from grill and let stand 15 minutes before carving.
Rinse turkey thoroughly with cold water, drain and pat dry. Prepare sweet pickle brine. Brine turkey according to the following schedule, 8 to 12 lb. bird 3 days, 13 to 16 lb. bird 4 days, 17 to 22 lb. bird 5 days. Remove from brine; rinse thoroughly in cold water and pat dry. Allow drying in the refrigerator for 24 hours.
Lock wings behind back and tie legs and tail together. Baste turkey with maple syrup before putting in a smoker and every 2 hours while smoking. Position turkey on the cooking grill. Smoke cook until done.


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"The Book"-A peep through the window of Time
Thread starter Allan C. Purcell
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Allan C. Purcell
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Has you all know I have been working on an account book written between 1815 to 1830 by Osborne & White
New York. I hope members will enjoy this, and please, if you can find faults please let me know, and corrections will also be welcome.
In the next copy, the pages will be numbered?
[pdf]534495[/pdf]
The Book.pdf
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Tom McIntyre
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Wonderful bit of work Allan. It is fascinating the number of entries for Embree and Van Wycke.
The second Barraud entry with the chronometer comes up in a shade of green I have difficulty reading.
I believe th name that appears as Demill should be Demilt but I have not tried to read the obscure handwriting you have had to deal with.
I do find that using the ctrl/f search tool on the PDF file is very useful.
Tis with our judgements as with our watches, none \ Go just alike, but each believes his own.
Alexander Pope, An Essay on Criticism, 1711 NAWCC-Info AWCo Web
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Allan - excellent resource, well done.
Words are so important, can't say what you mean, can't mean what you say
Thank you, John, I thought you would like that, it's one for the record. Tom, high praise indeed, thank you, this is just the type of information I am looking for. The Demilt or Demill is a problem. I looked him up on "Silversmiths & Related Craftsmen in Longworth´s 1827 & 1839. There is a Demill (Samuel) watchmaker at 239 Pearl and went along with the name. Since your letter, I have had a look at the original´s again and find it is Thomas Demilt on page 224,127,51, & 29. Can you comment? Could the Samuel be a son? Barraud is now in Blue, I put it in Green so I could find it quickly.
There were also seven alerts, I thank you all, but if you find things like Tom please write.
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Jerry Freedman
Allan: Looking at the watch numbers and the repair dates, I wonder about the Roskell numbering system . Could his shop have made the quanity
of watches the numbers suggest?
Jerry, thank you for the question, in this case, we have to get away from that word shop. Robert Roskell was a member of the Landed Gentry. So his family was not short of money. He was probably put into an apprenticeship by his family too. His apprenticeship was to John Tarlton, a Liverpool watchmaker, and later Robert married his daughter. When Tarlton died, Robert was in Partnership with another apprentice, but not for long. It´s here that the picture moves into speculation, where did all the watches carrying his name come from. The numbers tell us he had sold more than 30,000 by 1824. A rogue estimate of 1,200 watches a year. That alone tells us he never made a watch, he must have had a cottage industry behind him, and help in the trade, both here and abroad. Glasgow says he sold 30,000 to South America alone. By the time of his retirement in 1843, his numbers were well over 50,000, though his son carried on with the numbering till about 1875. If you want more information on Robert Roskell please see John Matthews posts on this board, there is everything you need to know about Robert Roskell.
Allan - you clearly put in some tremendous work to transcribe the information into the file you have shared - it is really appreciated.
I have spent, as have others no doubt, a number of hours pouring over the information contained. It is most interesting.
Here is a spreadsheet I have been working on regarding the Roskell data which I hope you and others, may find useful. I have sorted the data on the basis of the serial numbers and converted the dates into the 'English' format. (Our American friends only have to select the column to change the format,)
I don't use the MS suite, so it is in OpenOffice format, which I have had to put in zip format because the OpenOffice files are not supported on this platform. I think the MS suite will read the OO files, but OO is a free download if anyone cannot read the file. (The components of the OO suite mirrors the MS suite and is free)
Note for Tom - can we add the OO files to the supported list '.ods' & '.odt' ?
EDIT - Allan I am looking at page 11 of the pdf. On this page it appears that the date format used in column 1 has changed to DD.MM.YYYY whereas on the previous and next page it is MM.DD.YYYY - which is what I had assumed with the Roskell data. Am I safe to assume that the entries are generally in chronological order? It is possible that the way you have recorded the information is as it was in the original - some clarification would be helpful. Thanks,
Osborne & White Day Book transcripts Allan Purcell - Roskell.zip
I added the file types. I am not sure how various readers will use them in the browser.
I downloaded the file and will upload it as an attachment to this message in its unzipped form.
My Chrome browser downloads the file rather than opening it in my browser. I do not have any plugin for my browser that will open it directly. I suspect that if it were saved as a Google Sheet, it would open in the same browser when double clicked.
I don't really use the Google Apps, but it appears that they only operate on files stored on Google Drive and not in the context of the application that is running in the browser (like XenForo).
Osborne & White Day Book transcripts Allan Purcell - Roskell.ods
John, I see from your file what you are getting at, but to be honest, I think I understood about 5% of what you were trying to tell me. I am totally useless when it comes to what these machines can do, and when you use abbreviations. it´s like switching off the lights. When I received these files in January. I must admit my mind was one tracked into the Roskell numbers, and I tried my best to search them out. That turned out to be a piece of luck, but my search was faulted, and I missed some of them. It did teach me though to go through the files slowly. all 266 pages, though by now I had got used to some of the authors writing. So the Roskell numbers in these files could be re-written, I could, of course, put them in the Roskell file under Osborne, but I am still thinking about that. Has the "THE BOOK" looks at the moment the page numbers are those I gave the file (They are in fact no numbers on the File after page 9.) The work, in fact, I did for Rich Newman and Philip Poniz, was to help out the Winterthur Museum, what they do with it I think will far more interesting in the end, but will take a while. I like what you have done with the Roskell file, and attached is a copy of "The Book" with page numbers from 1 to 59, so when people ask a question we can find the pieces easily. Thanks again John,
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Tom - thank-you for adding the OpenOffice file types.
The file you have uploaded has unzipped correctly into its original form - a OpenOffice spreadsheet. I am not aware of a plugin to open these files within a browser, although one may exist. OpenOffice will open Excel files, I think that Excel may open or import '.ods' files, but I'm not absolutely certain - it would be useful if someone could confirm. I know there are other Open Office users on the forum.
Excel and Office 360 have no problem with the files and Google Sheets can open them if they are copied to one's Google Files folder. It would be nice if it could just open in line like an image but that does not appear to exist.
I like that capability in PDF files and attachments.
The zip file is slightly smaller and takes one more click to open once downloaded.
here is a shot with Google docs management.
Osborne & White Day Book transcripts Allan Purcell - Roskell (1)
I think that is a bit cooler. It is being shared from my Google Files storage.
Tom, I tried to print out your table of the Roskell numbers, but it only lets me print page one-why is that?? Allan.
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Allan - all your work and the outcome are both very much appreciated. It takes a lot of persistence and determination to complete a transcription job like this, and I'm sure all Pocket Watch enthusiasts will be grateful to you for adding a newly accessible significant set of data for further research purposes. With kind regards. David.
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Great job Allan & thank you for taking on this project.
Allan C. Purcell said:
Sorry Allan, I do not know. It is my first try at using the Google facility. I may have cut off the Excel file at some content limit.
Thank you all for the encouragement, I enjoyed every minute . I am now trying to understand the way they worked through their accounts, and it is an uphill climb, though I am getting there and some of the purchases and are quite remarkable. The main point of interest is the trust they had in each other, which I don´t think we have today. The shortage of cash was one of the reasons, and of course, the large distances from the source to service. Tom, I would like a copy if you can get it sorted, then let me know how it works, please,
Allan, the document I embedded is stored on Google Drive as a Google Sheet. The idea is very similar to the Open Docs suite that others have mentioned. This is the home page for all the Google Apps chrome://apps/
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"The requested page could not be found" All´s well Tom, I took a photograph.(5)
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Allan, keep up the great work!!
To all my friends, I just blame all my faults on the cataracts.
I caught the edit thingy...........
I was told about this from a friend in England, and not having seen it before I thought I would put on here for members, this is the page with the clocks on, as yet I have not found the watches, will put them on when found. If you want it in the clock department thats OK too. Allan
PS. Try the 18th. century at the bottom from clocks homepage for watches There are though lots more..
Collection Catalogue
Introducing the Gershom Parkington Collection
and types of Clocks and Watches
The measuring of time has been an issue since pre-historic days. In these pages we will not deal with sundials, water clocks, time sticks, or other ingenious devices. However, it is worth noting that an early reference to a water clock, located in the Abbey of St Edmund at Bury, was made by Jocelin of Brakelond in his chronicle. He recorded that in 1198, a fire in the shrine was fought by monks fetching water from the rain water tank and the clock.
The first mechanical clocks in this country were used in monasteries, and came after about 1275.
The main source of information on local timepieces is to be found in 'Suffolk Clocks & Clockmakers' by Arthur Haggar and Leonard Miller, published in 1974. A Supplement to this work was published in 1979, containing additions and corrections to the 1974 listings.
These pages will deal with clocks made in and around Bury St Edmunds. The famous Gershom Parkington collection, described below, was not intended to be a local collection, but a representation of all the best types of time measuring instruments. Here, we will pick out only local examples for consideration.
Gershom Parkington card 1934
The John Gershom Parkington Memorial Collection of Time Measurement Instruments
In 1953, the Bury St Edmunds Borough Council was left a notable collection of clocks and watches in memory of John Gershom-Parkington, (1920-1941), who was killed during the Second World War. The collection was bequeathed by his father, Frederic Gershom Parkington, better known as just Gershom Parkington. Frederic had died on 23rd January 1952, in Jersey.
The Jersey Heritage Trust has summarised the provisions of his will as follows: " Will and Testament of Frederic Gershom Parkington, known as Frederic Gershom-Parkington, of 5, Douro Terrace, St Helier. Desires to be cremated and have his ashes buried with his wife. Bequeaths to his late violinist, Tom Jones, his music and quintette arrangements; to the town of Bury St Edmonds, all time pieces and books relating to the measurement of time in memory of his son John Gershom Parkington who was killed in the last war. Dated 22/12/1951."
The London Gazette of 13th March, 1953 publicised the existence of the will, and asked for claims against it to be made by 15th May, 1953. Once the council of Bury St Edmunds was made aware of the bequest, it had to consider if it would accept it, and how to make arrangements to house and display it.
The Gershom Parkington Quintette used to be a household name, playing light music on the wireless in the years after 1925. Its founder and leader was one of the Parkingtons who ran a successful tailoring business at 29 Abbeygate Street, Bury St Edmunds, which had served generations of Bury's inhabitants.
Frederic was born in 1886, seven years after the rest of his brothers and sisters. His parents gave him the name Gershom from the Bible, where it is said to mean 'a little surprise', although he used to say afterwards that it really meant 'the unwanted one'.
He was a gifted cellist, and he trained at the Royal Academy of Music. Thus he avoided joining the family business to become a professional musician. He conducted the local orchestra at Bridlington Spa for a time and broadcast for the BBC for almost thirty years. Professionally, he always used the name Gershom Parkington. He was so popular that in 1934, W D and H O Wills included him as number 15 of their series of 50 Cigarette Cards called "Wills Radio Celebrities."
T W Parkington and Son Tailors This picture of T W Parkington's tailor's shop at 29 Abbeygate Street, Bury St Edmunds, was taken from the firm's advertisement in the Town Guide Book for 1955-1956.
Kelly's Directory for 1892 had described the business thus:- "Thomas Wilding Parkington - military tailor and outfitter, hunting breeches, liveries and riding trousers, 29 Abbeygate Street."
In Kelly's Directory of Suffolk for 1900, the entry was :- "Parkington, TW and Son, Tailors and Outfitters, 29 Abbeygate Street."
John Gershom Parkington As a hobby, Gershom Parkington bought rare clocks, watches, sundials and sand-glasses, largely through a specialist dealer named Percy Webster, of Queen Street, Mayfair, and built up a notable collection with a national reputation. It was this collection which he left to the town of his birth on condition that it was named the John Gershom Parkington Memorial Collection.
By agreement with the National Trust the collection was, at first, installed in the Queen Ann house next to the Borough Offices and now known as Angel Corner.
Beevers' catalogue of 1958 The Connoisseur Year Book for 1958 included a catalogue of the John Gershom Parkington Memorial Collection of Time measurement Instruments at Bury St Edmunds. It was compiled by S Benson Beevers and it was reprinted as a catalogue to be sold to visitors to the collection in its home at Angel Corner in Bury St Edmunds. The catalogue grouped the items under the major headings of "Mechanical", such as clocks and watches, and "Non-Mechanical", such as Quadrants, Sundials and Nocturnals. As far as we know, this was the first catalogue ever produced of Parkington's collection. A new catalogue was produced in 1979.
In 1974 the collection passed to the successor authority, which was the St Edmundsbury Borough Council. The clocks continued to be on display at Angel Corner.
According to the 1979 catalogue of the Collection, the Borough Council had already owned a collection of locally made clocks and watches, which was merged with the Gershom-Parkington Collection.
The house known as Angel Corner seems to have been officially given this name in 1956. The clock collections were joined there by the Bury and West Suffolk Records Office. The records were there until 1973, the clocks until 1993. From 1993 to April 2006 the Clock Collections were on display at the Manor House Museum, until that museum closed.
From 2007 there is a new gallery displaying the clock collection to be found in Moyse's Hall Museum.
Many of the clocks illustrated in these pages are taken from the Gershom Parkington Collection. However, it should be emphasised that the collection itself was never meant to be a local collection, although the clocks shown here are purely those of local interest. Other clocks shown on these pages are from dealers' catalogues and books.
Introduction to Types of Clocks
Lantern Clock THE LANTERN CLOCK
In Tudor times the production of clocks in England was in the hands of foreign craftsmen. Not until about 1620 did the first distinctively English clock design appear, and it is called the Lantern Clock.
The typical Lantern Clock is made of brass, and resembles the shape of the old lanterns, and it is usually reckoned that its name was derived from this similarity. Haggar and Miller are inclined to doubt this theory, preferring a derivation from the old term for brass, which was "latten" or "latten metal." They cite old wills which refer to latten clocks specifically.
Although they resemble lanterns, they were weight driven, and needed to be wall mounted so that the weights could hang below them.
Lantern clocks came in two basic sizes. The largest stood 14 inches high and carried a striking mechanism. At first they had a wheel balance, but after 1657 a short bob pendulum was used. They had an hour hand, but no separate minute hand.
Many Lantern clocks were made in Suffolk in the second half of the 17th century, but they continued to be made in Suffolk into the middle of the 18th century as well. Older wheel balance lantern clocks and short bob clocks also got converted to long pendulum control in this period.
Ornamental fretwork was a feature of these clocks, and in Suffolk many makers favoured a design of crossed dolphins. In Bury, such clocks were made by Mark Hawkins and Richard Rayment.
Long Case clock LONG CASE CLOCKS
Long Case clocks first appeared around 1660 in England, but no Suffolk maker is known to have been making these earliest types. The earliest Long Case clock made in Suffolk dates from about 1700.
The Long Case clock is the type which became generally known in the late 19th century as a Grandfather clock, following the popular song of that name, written in 1864. This type of clock encloses the entire length of the hanging weights and long pendulum within a wooden case. The clocks 'works' is also enclosed within a hood with a glass front to reveal the clock dial. It usually stands on the floor and can be 6 or 7 or even 8 feet tall.
Such clocks were made by the Ipswich based Thomas Moore after 1710, and Moore is now regarded as the best Suffolk clockmaker. In Bury the best makers were William Hawkins and Richard Rayment.
However, nearly all the later clockmakers produced Long Case clocks. They could be made to suit all pockets, and the case was dressed up to meet the appropriate price point. Country makers tended to use oak cases, and to make their clocks less tall, so that they could fit under lower cottage ceilings. Large country houses needed something on a bigger scale, with more ornamental finish.
The example shown here is a fairly basic clock, but being made by John Pace of Bury in the early 19th century, it was of such quality that it still keeps good time today.
W N Last Bracket Clock BRACKET CLOCKS
These clocks can also be called Table Clocks, and at the time were also called Spring Clocks. In 1764, Bilby Dorling advertised that he could be found "at the sign of the Spring Clock in Cook Row", in Bury St Edmunds.
As the name suggests, they were powered by a spring put under tension, rather than by long hanging weights. This made them difficult and expensive to make compared to the older types of movement. Thus in Suffolk the makers produced fewer of this type than the simpler mechanisms.
However, in Bury, the fine workshop of Richard Rayment certainly produced Spring clocks after 1740.
This example is by William Last of Bury St Edmunds from the early part of the 19th century. The mainspring having broken, it has been repaired in the last few years.
Act of Parliament Clock PARLIAMENT CLOCKS OR TAVERN CLOCKS OR WALL CLOCKS
In 1797 an Act of Parliament imposed a tax on clocks and watches, under William Pitt. The tax was 10 shillings a year for every gold watch or enamelled watch. For every silver or metal watch the tax was 2/6 a year. Every clock placed in or on a dwelling attracted a tax of 5 shillings a year.
In anticipation of this Act, it was once believed that there was a rush to install "Act of Parliament" clocks before the tax was imposed. After the tax, it was said that they were installed in public places to replace the private timepieces which were now too expensive to afford. However, there had been a need for reliable public clocks in Taverns, inns, and public buildings for at least 50 years prior to that date. In fact, the tax was repealed after two years, so a genuine Act of Parliament clock can exist only from 1797 to 1799.
Clocks usually given this name are wall mounted, and have this distinctive 'drop trunk' below the dial.
A very early example of such a clock was reported by Haggar and Miller to be hung in the vestry of St Mary's Church in Bury, made by George Graham of London. It is dated to about 1720. An example from Bury was made by Giffin Rayment, who died in 1769, nearly 30 years before the notorious Act of Parliament which was said to have named these clocks.
By the 1790's some smaller wall clocks were produced, sometimes called Norwich Wall Clocks.
Turret Clock TURRET CLOCKS
Turret clocks were built on a completely different scale to other clocks. They were made to drive the large hands and dials of church clocks and clocks installed outdoors on large public buildings. Usually there would be the need for a striking mechanism large enough to drive a hammer on to a large church bell.
The oldest turret clock is said to be at Salisbury Cathedral, where there is a record dated 1386. At Walberswick there is a record of such a clock dated to 1426. These clocks were probably built by a good local blacksmith, under the direction of a monk, or specialist travelling artisan.
The turret clock shown here is from Long Melford School. Made in the 19th century, it is on display in Moyse's Hall Museum.
John Pace Skeleton Clock SKELETON CLOCKS
A skeleton clock is built to show off the internal workings of the clock. The body is built of ornamented brass fretwork or shaped struts, and it often stands on a mahogany base, below a glass dome, or inside a glass case. Elaborate design features could be included to show off the skill of the maker.
In Bury the main maker of this type of clock was John Pace in the early and middle 19th century. Pace produced some deliberately unusual design ideas into his best skeleton clocks to show off his inventive nature. The example shown here is taken from Haggar and Miller,s book entitled "Suffolk Clocks and Clockmakers", and shows one of John Pace's creations.
However, a small number of skeleton clocks have been found which were made by Benjamin Parker, a gunsmith in Churchgate Street in Bury, also from the mid 19th century.
Richard Rayment Watch
1727/29 WATCHES
Here we are talking about pocket watches, as no wrist watches existed before 1868.
Strangely enough, watches did not evolve out of the building of clocks. Watches have been made just as long as clocks. The earliest Suffolk watch dates from 1630, and is by W Houlgatt at Ipswich, and is now in the Victoria and Albert Museum. Large numbers of watches were made and sold from this date right through to the 19th century. By about 1780, such was the demand for watches, that they were factory made, and local clockmakers probably only installed factory movements in factory made cases of varying qualities.
In October, 1791 T & W Chaplin of Cook Row in Bury were advertising in the Ipswich Journal for a "good Watch Finisher."
Books Consulted
"Time Measurement Instruments- catalogue of the John Gershom Parkington Memorial Collection" 3rd edition of 1979
'Suffolk Clocks & Clockmakers' by Arthur Haggar and Leonard Miller 1974
'Supplement to Suffolk Clocks & Clockmakers' by Arthur Haggar and Leonard Miller 1979
Advice and information from Peter Webb, of Ernest Webb, Jewellers of 4, Risbygate Street, BSE (established 1952)
The superb horological website of Clock Dealer Brian Loomes at www.brianloomes.com
Clock Dealer Richard Harris at www.rchclocks.fsnet.co.uk
The website of Leigh Extence at www.extence.co.uk
Information first prepared by David Addy, 27th April 2006
Go to Clocks Homepage Updated 22nd October 2007
Some photographs my friend in England sent from the above museum. Allan
While writing up the book above, searching for the names of the makers was one of the tasks that gave some trouble, and here is a classic example. The watch movement we are about to look at, I think I posted somewhere else on the board, and it had to do with Ho Ho birds. There are two on the cock of this movement. The name on the watch is J. A. Hollisone and the number is 9660. (see photographs)
In "THE BOOK" page 19 I have A. Hollisone Liverpool 1800. I got that from Loomes, Hollisone Alexander, Liverpool. d. 1800. Watch number 5641. In the book, it was brought in 12.9.1817
On page 21, again from Loomes, Hollinsone Alexander Liverpool, c1790-1809. Watch number 5953 In the book it was brought in on the 3.22.1819. Under the name Jas. Hollinsone, Liverpool
I think this is a case where spelling enters this story, plus the way Hollinsone spoke his own name. Was it sometime James Hollisone or did he say Alexander Hollisone ?
I think, myself that we are looking at James, Alexander, Hollisone-but I intend to look further into this maker, he crops up quite often in "The Book".
On the dial plate, you can see a repairers name Clark, Feby. 1821. Makes me wonder was Clark in America?
Well, I returned to the source, and in the book above, post 9, I found 24 Hollison´s that need to be sorted out. Most of them I can say were those of Alex.or William Hollinsone of Liverpool, though they are all not signed the same. Answer to that is, go back further and look at the original letters, my next job. In the 24 at the moment I have found Chas. Hollison London, E.H. Hollison London, Jas. Hollison Liverpool, William Hollinsone Liverpool, and so on. Some of these could well be relatives, and not all have been found in "Loomes" so a wider search will be required.
One clue came to light when looking at the numbers of William Hollinson of London, and Alexander Hollinson of Liverpool.
William´s numbers. 1675,13675,15325,15348, 15387, 15440,15675,15666, 15820.15952,15990. (Date given by Loomes c1800)
Alexander´s number. 334,352,394,456,852,1066,2913,5641,5953. (Date Given by Loomes c1790-1809)
There are no entries in THE BOOK for Hillison´s after 1827. That points (To me) that the watches were all made long before the repair dates, and no more had been made.
I will leave it here, and take another look at the original letters.
So I have looked again at the original letters or entries in The Book, and the above 20 between William Hollison of London and Alexander Hollison of Liverpool are as said.
That the leaves two by Jas. Hollison, who I think is J.A. Hollison on the above watch. (no entries in Loomes)
Then we have E.H. Hollison (In Loomes, London no dates).
Chas. Hollison London. Not found-could be William with the number 76403 Page 18 in The Book above post 9.
I have a record of a W Hollison, London verge #18666 in 1822 Birmingham pair cases by [S.P] Samuel Packwood of Coventry.
Watches by Alex Hollison are held at the Liverpool Museum with dates from 1790 to 1807.
John Matthews said:
Hi John, Thanks for the information your W. Hollison is more than likely the one above. The one that worries me now, is Alexander Hollison-spelt J. A. Hollisone on my watch movement. I now have to ask, does anyone
have a watch or movement with J.A. Hollisone on the top plate. Britten as, Hollisone, Alex, 1795; Liverpool; watch1795 (same n) London; anr watch, sgd (Bri). None of the other spellings in there, or in Baillie. Allan.
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