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Peak Apple: Has ANYONE at all ordered a new iPhone 5c?
Apple has failed to disclose the sales figures for its new iPhone for the first time since 2009, sending fanbois and investors into a spiral of doubt and fear. The fruity firm normally thrusts upon the world a boastful press release announcing how many gazillions of new iMobes ordered even before the things have hit the …
Tuesday 17th September 2013 13:03 GMT FartingHippo
I've ordered a 5C
My room is full of brightly coloured plastic things, you see.
Anyway, must dash, Nurse is on her way.
Tuesday 17th September 2013 13:41 GMT PhilipJ
Re: I've ordered a 5C
are you before, or after your lobotomy ?
Wednesday 18th September 2013 14:58 GMT Jemma
Sounds like a pre-op transmental to me...
Tuesday 17th September 2013 14:54 GMT andy mcandy
Just buy a nexus 4 direct from Google for 200 quid and be go shopping for your sim free contract.
I have managed to gouge orange for unlimited (truly) data, unlimited SMS and 100 mins (I use less than 5 mins a month) for 5 quid plus vat. Makes sense to me! :-)
You would have to WANT a Nexus 4 first. Most people choose iOS whereas they get given Android by the shop assistant when upgrading and they barely use it's features. Look at the iOS vs Android usage / web figures and despite a smaller installed base the iOS usage is much higher.
Face it if there were equivalent Apple iOS and Somename Android handsets at the same price few would buy Android - it's like saying if an equivalent Skoda and BMW were the same price people would buy the Skoda.
Tuesday 17th September 2013 15:38 GMT Andrew Newstead
Skoda seems to be more reliable at the moment...
"Face it if there were equivalent Apple iOS and Somename Android handsets at the same price few would buy Android "
Which is exactly why Apple are outselling Samsung Galaxy S3/S4's...... oh, err...
Have you ever thought that there is more to using a smartphone than web browsing?
Anyone who would walk into a shop, take a look at the Fisher-Price OS running on yellow plastic phone and choose that over a HTC One, Xperia Z1 or S4 is an idiot.
Tuesday 17th September 2013 17:16 GMT Lallabalalla
choose that over a HTC One?
I'd choose a pair of tin cans and a piece of string over an HTC One. What a piece of junk!
Wednesday 18th September 2013 08:24 GMT WeeGordy
Re: choose that over a HTC One?
Strange. My HTC One isn't junk. It makes calls well, does all the other garbage and keeps me happy. And it's not a bloody Apple. Funny how one man's meat is another man's poison.
The more things change, the more they stay the same....
Tuesday 17th September 2013 17:20 GMT SuccessCase
"Which is exactly why Apple are outselling Samsung Galaxy S3/S4's...... oh, err..."
Actually Apple iPhones are very likely outselling S3/S4's. Samsung are shipping more smartphones than Apple (they only figures they provide - and these are sales into channel - which is likely to be slightly inflated as compared with Apple's sales figures for reasons I won't go into now), but they steadfastly refuse to provide the breakdown between the premium Galaxy line and their non-premium lines.
If the Galaxy S3/S4 were selling more than the iPhone you can be pretty sure they would be telling the world. So most analysts agree there is only likely to be one reason they are keeping mum...
Tuesday 17th September 2013 19:59 GMT Mad Hacker
AC says: Which is exactly why Apple are outselling Samsung Galaxy S3/S4's...... oh, err...
While I agree Android devices (over all models) outsell the iPhone, The Samsung Galaxy S3 and S4 have not outsold the iPhone. Stop living in your dreamworld of unicorns and rainbows.
Unicorns and Rainbows: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qRC4Vk6kisY
Thursday 19th September 2013 07:59 GMT Bamboozled
So there is only one version of iPhone if we have to believe you?
Apple iPhone owners and BMW Drivers. What a mixture.
A combination of people who own iPhones because their friends do and have no idea how to actually use it and people who pay £40k for a car and have no idea how to use it (you'll never convince me that either BMW don't fit indicators or that so many stop working 10 minutes after leaving the showroom),
Tuesday 17th September 2013 16:24 GMT Darryl
Well, to be fair, iPhones and BMWs are very similar. Both are average equipment sold at inflated prices because of their logos, and bought by people who believe that owning them will make them cooler and more attractive to the gender of their choice.
"Well, to be fair, iPhones and BMWs are very similar. Both are average equipment sold at inflated prices because of their logos, and bought by people who believe that owning them will make them cooler and more attractive to the gender of their choice."
Or, to put it another way: "I buy, guided by plain ignorance and prejudice, salted with being a bit hard up and have never bought or driven either of them and I despise those who do, because I am bitter, twisted and jealous, oh, and really cool too because I follow the crowd."
Never mind. One day you too will be a grown up.
Tuesday 17th September 2013 20:56 GMT JEDIDIAH
> Or, to put it another way: "I buy, guided by plain ignorance and prejudice
Neither product is really that exclusive despite fanboy cries to the contrary. It's not that hard to have solid experience with either. Apple phones are just as subsidized as Androids. They aren't any more expensive. BMWs can be test driven or rented.
Both are consumer brands with an inflated sense of self-importance.
Both are like Cleveland.
Not sure about this - I bought my Samsung S3 for £230, was a refurbished model but effectively new (last year). Are you telling me refurbished iPhone 5's were being sold for anywhere near this price? Or even used ones on eBay?
The sim-free prices are similar, but if you look at contract prices there are some amazing deals to be had on Android phones, just look on phone deal comparison sites. iPhones - not a chance.
Tuesday 17th September 2013 21:21 GMT DaneB
The thing is, to make oneself more attractive to women, it's usually better to not give a shit about what phone you use. Or at least pretend that's true!
I'm guessing you've never spent the time driving a BMW long enough to actually get to know it if you describe them as average? Either that or you don't understand what the term "average" means?
Take a 3 series out and link a few corners together and if you're skillful enough you might understand, the only car in its class that comes close is the Mondeo (awesome car), but then some people prefer rear wheel drive which the Mondeo it not.
BMW driver, Android user FWIW.
But isn't a BMW M3 considered one of the ultimate driving machines (affordable) by car enthusiasts? Not really sure the analogy works. Probably a Mercedes is more like a iPhone - pricier than a BMW but not as good to drive, and usually bought for the badge.
Wednesday 18th September 2013 07:32 GMT Stilted Banter
(you'll never convince me that either BMW don't fit indicators or that so many stop working 10 minutes after leaving the showroom)
That behaviour isn't limited to BMW drivers, sadly. Heaven knows how these people master their stratospherically-sophisticated phones when they can't even work out what the little lever sticking out of the stearing column is for. BMW drivers may be a particularly virulent instance of the phenomenon, however. It was a man in a BMW who castigated me yesterday for crossing a side street down which he intended to turn. He had given no indication of his intention, obviously expecting me to read his mind (assuming he had one).
Perhaps someone can come up with an app for BMW drivers on how to use indicators. Could be worth a few bob as long as the BMW badge is displayed very prominently.
Re: I've ordered a 5C -BMW don't fit indicators
The do fit indicators, but they are too hard for the driver to use while clasping an iPhone to his ear. (Average BMW driver can't work out how to connect the Bluetooth, or so my occasional commute persuades me).
Tuesday 17th September 2013 15:59 GMT Shrimpling
I thought you had given up your trolling... I hadn't seen any of your "Most people choose iOS but end up with Android" posts for a few months.
Oh well I go back to enjoying my Note 2 which was chosen for its features that are not available on an iPhone.
I have used iOS, Android and Windows Phone 8 and I would rank iOS at the bottom with Android at the top and WP8 second. That's objective too. iOS is a bit Fisher / Katie Price. It's ok if you don't want any flexibility or freedom. Android is the more flexible and the only one that truly lives up to Apple's once-famous, "there's an app for that". WP8 is sandboxed too, but I find it refreshing.
iOS : think SAME.
Tuesday 17th September 2013 23:26 GMT PC1512
"I would rank <snip> that's objective too"
No, very clearly it isn't.
Which feature would that be? A software keyboard that swiftly turns english into compete gibberish?
I never thought using a pen to write on a device using handwriting recognition would be faster and more accurate than typing on the same device.
(I have an iPhone and a Note 2 - I get *so* frustrated with the Note's keyboard it's untrue. Once you've got used to typing on an iOS device, Android just seems to be frustrating.)
Wednesday 18th September 2013 15:40 GMT Brainman
I have an iPhone 3GS (retired), an iPad 2 (used virtually exclusively for looking at A4 education books), a Nexus 7 (used frequently) & a work Nokia Lumia 820 under WP but my main much used phone is an original Note from December 2011 (soon to be replaced by a Note 3).
Why do you stick with the keyboard on the Note 2 as delivered as you can switch for free to an alternative?
Typing is a dream using swipe on Swiftkey, so good I detest now the clunky unchangeable oh-so-slow iPad keyboard.
I really really want to like Apple but iOS is so inflexible in so many areas.
The keyboard is the keyboard, great I can split it or use it portrait or landscape but that is about it. I don't care about the colour of a keyboard or whether lower case letters are visible etc, but I do like swiping and intelligent predictions as they make typing quicker and more accurate, others may not like this, but in the droid universe you have the choice.
Re: I've ordered a 5C (@brainman)
Cheers for recommending Swiftkey - after just installing it on my Note 2 it's like night and day. Thank you!
"It's like saying if an equivalent Skoda and BMW were the same price people would buy the Skoda."
Well a Skoda with an Audi badge is the same price as a BMW and people still buy them...
> Look at the iOS vs Android usage / web figures
It sounds like Android users are actually interested in a PHONE.
A smartphone buyer actually wanting a PHONE. Imagine that?
It must really blow your mind.
Tuesday 17th September 2013 20:54 GMT PJI
Doubt they are interested in a just a good telephone. For a decent 'phone they would buy an old, low end Nokia. Lasts for years, long battery life, first class telephone reception and never needs updating.
No, they are double posers: phone as big as the oversize pocket in their oversize trousers that is cool because it is not an iPhone and they paid a cheapskate price to get it (well, it was a wonderful offer, along with the unwanted tablet given away so the salesman could shift the wretched things before the next model appears).
Tuesday 17th September 2013 23:30 GMT h3
All the Android phones I have bought have been awful phones not good enough battery life. I try and get the better built ones. Googles Nexus stuff cuts too many corners for me in terms of quality.
I think I will get an ipad when the ones that support the gamepad come out.
(Got two Android tablet and never use them. Nexus 7 is a downgrade in build quality from the Xoom).
And stick with my Lumia 800 which is just great in terms of not running out of battery / being able to text no matter how much I have drunk with no mistakes / offline reliable satnav. (Build quality is great as well after the amount of time an Android phone ends up scrap for me it is still great).
If Android users cared about having a phone they would want the battery to last reasonably. (Judging by the sales it is not a concern - Razr Maxx would be the best selling handset if that was the case).
If Apple handsets were the same price as Android handsets then you've just removed the main reason a lot of people buy Apple - perceived status.
Wednesday 18th September 2013 03:02 GMT Fluffy Bunny
If you want to be locked in to the Apple app store complete with Steve Jobs' censorship (of boobies are bad fame), you must be a frickin idiot.
Wednesday 18th September 2013 07:46 GMT Dave K
Wrong. When I last upgraded my phone, I had an ageing iPhone 3G (which I had admittedly been happy with). My choices were the iPhone 4S or the Galaxy S3 (the two flagships at the time). I bought the Galaxy S3 because it had a larger and superior res screen, expandable memory, a "back" button that doesn't rely on using up valuable screen space, gadgets on the OS, a far superior notification panel and no reliance on god-awful iTunes. Whilst it's true that some cheaper Android handsets are sold to people who choose them because they can't afford iPhones, most of the higher-end Galaxy, HTC One, Z4 etc. handsets are sold to people who genuinely prefer them over an iPhone and who consider them to be the superior handsets.
"Whilst it's true that some cheaper Android handsets are sold to people who choose them because they can't afford iPhones, most of the higher-end Galaxy, HTC One, Z4 etc. handsets are sold to people who genuinely prefer them over an iPhone and who consider them to be the superior handsets."
There are lots of other reasons why people might choose one handset over another, whether it's the perceived image of the phone or that their friends and family use the same one.
Part of my reason for using an iPhone is that many of my friends and colleagues also have one. My best friend, in particular, lives on the other side of the pond, so it's nice to be able to contact him on face time!
But another issue for me was my perception of different handsets based on who I see using them around and about. The HTC One, for example, tends to be associated with the local chav-scum who see fit to inflict their crap taste in music on everyone who passes in their vicinity... a superior handset, indeed, for people who have no respect or consideration for other people!
Wednesday 18th September 2013 09:12 GMT Avatar of They
Eh up chaps and chapesses, this is how to Troll. A fine example of trying to stir up a nest of fanbois and android users.
Reg lesson 101 on how to start an argument.
1. Be anonymous.
2. State that the iOS is better and Apple are more expensive for good reason, if they were the same price blah blah blah. yawn...
Reg, can we have a better troll icon, took me a while to find it. What about the ones from the HTC add or the thing you put on the end of pencils?
Wednesday 18th September 2013 15:34 GMT Nick Pettefar
Having had to use an Android (HTC Desire X) for a week because my iPhone was off for repairs (our baby slobbered into the charging socket and her drool is corrosive like Alien(tm) slime) I can understand these figures - it was HORRIBLE! I was SO happy to get my iPhone back.
Wednesday 18th September 2013 17:59 GMT lotus49
I have a Galaxy S4 and an iPhone 5.
I hardly use the iPhone because I much prefer my S4.
Thursday 19th September 2013 07:59 GMT LordTryfan
Sorry, don't believe that you got anywhere near the deal you are bragging about. For one thing Orange don't offer an unlimited data plan, the best they offer is 8 gig. And you sure as hell never got that for £5 pm.
Here we go again, Fandroid Fury, when everyone knows they all aspire to own an iPhone, iPad and Mac Book.
As to the reason why they are used more to access the web, firstly Apple owners are more affluent and can afford it, secondly there is every chance a nasty bit of malware is hiding in an Android handset so the risk of using it is too great.
Tuesday 17th September 2013 18:12 GMT thesykes
Re: Fury
Wow, you really are deluded, aren't you?
Do you really believe that everybody in the world, who owns an Android phone, actually wanted an iPhone but is too poor to buy one?
As for the only reason iPhones are browsing is because their owners can afford it, that just beggars belief. Never heard of wi-fi or unlimited data plans?
You're either a troll or an idiot, I'll go with idiot, and a cowardly one too.
> You're either a troll or an idiot, I'll go with idiot, and a cowardly one too.
Ooh daarling! Here, have your dummy back and I'll change your nappy in a minute.
Tuesday 17th September 2013 19:46 GMT csumpi
> when everyone knows they all aspire to own an iPhone, iPad and Mac Book.
Nor me - though I do have (and recommend) a MacBook Air to run my proper OS (Windows 8 and Mint).
> they all aspire to own an iPhone, iPad and Mac Book.
I dumped my iPhone for a Samsung phone.
So did the missus. She also dumped her iPad for a Samsung tablet.
Macs neither impressed either one of us.
So you dumped it? Funny, last night a young bloke who uses his Samsung as his business mobile was fuming about its inadequacy and about to dump it. His friend in another firm was surprised as he had got not problems with his iPhone. I suppose it depends upon the usage.
As for Macs: I am a UNIX specialist, a real one who uses the command line frequently and works with serious, heavy duty UNIX and Linux systems. I abandoned Linux at home once I got OSX (well, still got it in a VM) because OSX is just a better, more reliable UNIX implementation with more tools installed as standard and fewer panics. Well, no panics.
Your Opinion......
is worth more because you use a command prompt.
You've used the Uber-Nerd trump card.
"I'm a proper fan, I have all their early albums! Not like these new fans....."
I have NO iphone / Mac envy. I even have a Mac Mini (so I'm not a proper Mac user) that just sits on my desk gathering dust because for the life of me, I cannot see how it is superior to a PC running WIndows XP let alone 7 or 8. I TRY to find uses for it. Uhm... it looks nice? It's the only thing I'd inflict iTunes on.... OSX just reminds me of GEM Desktop......
That's funny thinking that using the command line makes you special. Well guess what, it may very well be that you are using some of my code when you are in that command line. I've also worked on the kernal and drivers for two of the biggest commercial Unix vendors so you'll be using some of my code there as well.
So I guess that makes me a bigger Unix nerd than you and I can't stand OSx, it's the worst current consumer OS out there. It seems designed to make sure nothing get's done, but then maybe mac owners don't have any real work to do so it doesn't bother them much.
Wednesday 18th September 2013 13:24 GMT Paul 172
"That's funny thinking that using the command line makes you special. Well guess what, it may very well be that you are using some of my code when you are in that command line. I've also worked on the kernal and drivers for two of the biggest commercial Unix vendors so you'll be using some of my code there as well.
So I guess that makes me a bigger Unix nerd than you"
...Wow an AC kernel dev who can't spell kernel, legit.
Re: Fury - an AC kernel dev who can't spell kernel
Interesting that. I used Unix a lot in the 1980s and found that "Kernel" was so often spelt "Kernal" in the documentation that I concluded it must be a deliberate spelling. I took that as evidence that the poster was actually pukka.
It's like us old guys that spell out S Q L because we can remember SEQL, and won't pronounce Linux "linnux" because in the past it could be confused with "Linx".
Thursday 19th September 2013 07:59 GMT dom_f
richard?
Wednesday 18th September 2013 02:27 GMT paulll
You use the command line frequently? Well, then. Serious stuff. Good thing you mentioned that or people may have doubted your credentials.
Wednesday 18th September 2013 20:01 GMT dom_f
so as someone who also dumped Linux (Ubuntu in my case) as a desktop and also uses the command line extensively (fancy an awk competition?) I'm down voting this as it's unfair to say Linux has many Kernel panics -it doesn't on decent hardware. In fact my Macbook Pro (which has died very infrequently) is still probably less stable than my Centos/Ubntu VMs....
Wednesday 18th September 2013 01:05 GMT Ivan Headache
Macs neither impressed either one of us
Dear Jedidiah
Please complete the above sentence so that it makes sense.
everyone knows they all aspire to own an iPhone, iPad and Mac Book.
Good god you're a thick trolling cunt. Kindly fuck off.
Wednesday 18th September 2013 06:31 GMT LarsG
'Good god you're a thick trolling cunt. Kindly fuck off.'
Says everything there is to say about the state of the education system.
What? That someone can precis a much longer analysis in a way that is immediately understandable to the average English speaker? Perhaps with the surname "Lars" you are not familiar with the more recondite versions of our language, or the importance assigned to being able to provide accurate insults in as short a message as possible.
(It always amuses me when Putin, Leningrad law graduate and fluent in several languages, manages to summarise his meaning in a pithy colloquial Russian expression, while Western politicians all seem to scrabble not to say anything clearly. OK, he may be an evil near-dictator (which I doubt quite a lot, in fact) but he is a class act.)
Silly boy. I own 4 Macs, but I choose to use a droid phone, because believe it or not it syncs more seamlessly with my Macs for how I use them without having to pay extra for the privilege.
As far as I can tell affluence has no bearing on web use. Web use is practically free thanks to WiFi and huge dirt cheap data plans. Perhaps people who chose not to buy an iPhone didn't place too much importance on web browsing from their phones, or more likely they're not using browsers at all with the bulk of their interaction being carried out through dedicated apps - Facebook, Twitter, G+, YouTube, Ebay et al.
The only real reason I can see why somebody would genuinely +choose+ an iOS device over a competitor OS is that they prefer the OS/GUI itself - or as is probably the case with a lot of users, they're fairly technologically illiterate so just believe all of the marketing hype. The reason I use Macs is that I prefer OSX (although I am using Linux in VMs more and more as OSX 10.7 and 10.8 have been god-awful, but I digress) and the reason I use Android is that I find it a more intuitive and customisable platform. As with anything in this field YMMV and we all have different criteria by which we judge the usefulness and quality of a device (or piece of software). The technically savvy amongst us never tend to make such distinctions purely from a fanboi perspective for any company's offerings.
I would have thought the main reason most people choose iOS is not because of the UI or OS, but simply because the phone looks a lot nicer physically (and of course the marketing).
The majority of techies seem to be buying Android, but there are a lot of smart non-techies out there that are choosing Apple for their own reasons.
If you have the money, and don't want anything sophisticated from a phone, then surely it makes sense just to buy the best looking one out there?
I believe it was iPhone that spent several years recording GPS coordinates in a plain text file and refusing to apply fine-grained permissions.
Plus, the knowledge that Android has malware means most sensible users have some kind of anti-malware/virus software running and so are pretty safe. On iOS there is the same issue with malware but the users all think "I'm safe, it's Apple" and run with no protection or fear, making them far more vulnerable.
Also, much of it is social-engineering malware that runs on either platform and is picked up on Android by said software yet goes unnoticed by the naive iOS users - making them more vulnerable.
Wednesday 18th September 2013 12:39 GMT Brian Morrison
As opposed to the nasty bit of Apple malware (i.e. iOS) that's hidden in plain sight in an iDevice?
I've ordered 2 of them: one is called mr pickles and one is called 'the liberator'. They talk to each other. Their whispering makes me afraid.
Tuesday 17th September 2013 13:03 GMT Steve Foster
the numbers are *so* enormous that they're still counting them...
Tuesday 17th September 2013 13:39 GMT Martijn Otto
Re: Obviously
Did you forget to use the "Joke Alert" icon?
@Martijn
I had thought my comment so obvious not to need it (though the "spawn" icon might also have been a clue), but it seems I might have overestimated some of our esteemed fellow commentards.
Tuesday 17th September 2013 16:35 GMT andreas koch
@ Steve Foster - Re: Obviously
No, they're not. and that has a reason:
The iPhone 5C can only go on the market in relevant numbers when enough people have bought an iPhone 5S and traded in their iPhone 5 for $149,- . These then have to be stripped of their posh housing and re-fabricated with the Fisher-Price*-design housing, re-flashed and reshipped to the shops for $450,-.
So the 5C relies on the sales of the 5S and leftover stocks of the 5.
I made that up, of course, but wouldn't put it past them.
*Fisher-Price, with their experience in infant and baby toys, have been advertising this-that-and-the-other -free plastics for years. They also have all the toddler-soothing colours figured out. I'm sure there's some synergistic cooperation going.
Tuesday 17th September 2013 13:08 GMT Chad H.
Slow news day eh?
It's one thing to beat up a non-story into news on a slow news day, but to make the actual lack of news into news takes special skill . Bravo.
Tuesday 17th September 2013 13:16 GMT Alan Bourke
Re: Slow news day eh?
It's one of the biggest companies in the world, and they just had an unsuccessful, uninspiring (by their standards) product launch with corresponding effects on their share prices.
This is news for a tech site like El Reg.
Did they? Citation please.
Oh that's right, there isn't any. Just speculation from the absence of an announcement!
Apparently absence of evidence is now evidence of absence!
Tuesday 17th September 2013 15:52 GMT sabroni
Re: Go on then Chad...
...explain why they haven't issued the usual press release?
Tuesday 17th September 2013 16:20 GMT chr0m4t1c
I know I'm going to get downvoted for this, but WTF.
Apple normally issue two press releases for the launch of a new product. One for pre-orders and one for launch weekend.
Previously pre-orders have sold out in around 24-48 hours, at which point there's no point in delaying the press release.
This time, pre-orders have not yet sold out (looking at the Apple website, you can still order any 5c for delivery on the 20th).
However, we have a big unknown in this mix: How many have they made for pre-order?
There's an unstated assumption that they have the same number of handsets available for pre-order as they have had in previous years (normally around 2m), but given that the 5c is essentially a 5 in a party frock, it's entirely possible they have 30m or 100m available for pre-order.
And that /could/ be the reason why they haven't sold out and also why we haven't had a press release. We'll have to wait until next week to get a better idea,
BOO! HISS! DOWN WITH THIS SORT OF THING!
Notoriously secret company doesnt issue press release.. More news at 11.
Here's a possible theory. maybe they have more important things to do.
Tuesday 17th September 2013 18:08 GMT jubtastic1
Re: Explain why they haven't
Press release will appear after the 5S has gone on sale and be a combined total, they don't break down sales by individual model, no one does, that's pretty rare as it tells the competition exactly what's selling. in fact some companies don't release sales data at all beyond what's required for financial filings.
> Citation please.
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=aapl
csumpi, you've failed at showing the citation required. The claim is iPhone sales are down. The alleged proof of this remains missing... even with your attempt to be funny. The share price says nothing about sales.
This story isnt even a case of "Dog bites man" Its "Dog doesnt bite man, so the dog must be dead".
Tuesday 17th September 2013 13:10 GMT Longrod_von_Hugendong
If i wanted a...
crappy plastic phone I would buy a Samsung made phone. Mind you the Apple device is probably several times better quality.
Tuesday 17th September 2013 14:02 GMT g e
Depends on your metric
Re: Quality
Built in storage for one. 16GB? pah!
Samsung can't even make a watch with decent battery life, it's looking like they'll can it already and make a better version.
Tuesday 17th September 2013 14:24 GMT Huntsman
Re: If i wanted a...
That spawn of satan icon looks like a car to me. Two headlights, grille, A pillars...
I can't unsee it.
Anyway, as you were.
Tuesday 17th September 2013 14:28 GMT JoshOvki
Several times more expensive != several times better!
Tuesday 17th September 2013 16:08 GMT DrXym
There is nothing wrong with plastic as a build material. Apple and other manufacturers only use aluminium (and occasionally things like bamboo, carbon fibre etc.) as an excuse to jack up the price. It certainly doesn't do anything for the phone itself since the antenna and other parts have to be shielded and it can affect reception.
And perhaps that is the problem here. A plastic phone occupying the same price point that used to ensure aluminium. Apple have been bitten by their own "expensive" gimmick.
It probably can't help either that the market is awash with high quality handsets for substantially less money than an iPhone. e.g. if someone wants a gaudy handset then Nokia has them covered for far less money than a 5C would set them back.
Tuesday 17th September 2013 17:15 GMT pepper
Nothing wrong with plastic at all, its used for critical parts in aircraft. Glass, not so much. I dont really get the hate for plastic nowadays. Yes I like metal alloys as much as the next guy but not everything has to be metal or glass coated.
Words spoken by someone who obviously (as indicated by your handle) has a bad case of penis (or rather phone) envy?
Total lack of story here...
The 5c is basically "last year's model at a lower price", only now in shiny plastic. They've never offered pre-order figures for last year's model, why the hell would they?
This year's isn't available for pre-order, so there are no figures. (Does seem like they're short of them - which is annoying, since I need one to test some code against 64bit iOS - looks like I might end up in the chump queue.)
Tuesday 17th September 2013 13:34 GMT Big_Ted
Re: Total lack of story here...
Dear oh Dear, You sir sound like a typical Apple fanbois, This was announced by Apple as one of 2 new phones not as a continuation of lst years in a cheap body.
Therefore the story is correct that they would have announced figures normally and therefore calling into question if sales have been poor, this is the same concern of share holders who are selling.
Now just calm down and strock your old shiney and everything wil be ok......
Tuesday 17th September 2013 13:57 GMT Ralph B
The 5c is basically "last year's model at a higher price", only now in shiny plastic.
FTFY.
Tuesday 17th September 2013 14:22 GMT HP Cynic
You are twisting it: yeah it's the same innards but it's a new model called the 5C, a new SKU and a new offering.
The market was hoping for a cheap iPhone not a Product Extension Strategy on the existing 5.
Tuesday 17th September 2013 15:36 GMT fishman
Normally Apple sells the previous years iPhone at a reduced price. They are selling the 5c at the price they would have charged for the 5. And since the 5c is cheaper to make than the 5, their profit margin is higher. I would not be surprised if they make more profit off of each 5c they sell compared to the 5s.
I doubt the difference is all that much. The only real difference is a colorful plastic case versus a machined aluminum case. Obviously there is a savings, but it isn't like the metal case added $50 to the manufacturing cost. Likely not even $10.
Tuesday 17th September 2013 13:18 GMT poopypants
Apple forgot why they are popular
People buy Apple phones because they look expensive. For some reason they have now made one that looks cheap. Phones that look cheap are only of interest to people who are trying to save money, or who are more interested in function than form. Those people are already buying Android phones, and are not going to switch.
Re: Apple forgot why they are popular
People buy Apple phones because they look expensive. For some reason they have now made one that looks cheap
Yeah it makes a change for them to copy Samsung
Re: Yeah it makes a change for them to copy Samsung
Yeah, they're normally so busy copying xerox, or swiss clocks, or androids notification bar, or web os's swipe gestures.....
Why are Samsung a special case? Apple have copied so much from so many over so many years, that Samsung was bound to come around sooner or later.
Tuesday 17th September 2013 14:31 GMT Khaptain
"People buy Apple phones because they look expensive"
I think what you mean is that some for some people they are expensive and therefore they consider them as being luxury items, when in fact they have very little intrinsic value. It's more of a wishfull thinking phenomena than anything else.
Hence the existance of fanbois...
I think what he means is what he said, i.e. people buy them because they look expensive. There are pricier phones that look like trash and few people are buying those.
I really want to agree with this, because the thought of people buying cheap plastic phones makes me sad.
Tuesday 17th September 2013 13:34 GMT eSeM
Not All Bad
There is good money to be made from Apple shares ....
Spread betting on their demise.
Tuesday 17th September 2013 13:42 GMT Electric Panda
If the 5C doesn't deliver the numbers, it might be that next year there isn't a newer budget model and we'll be back to just one iPhone again. That could be potentially embarrassing and an admission of failure.
Tuesday 17th September 2013 16:01 GMT Nick Ryan
I don't think it's so much as embarrassing or an admission of failure. Why? Not everything pushed out there will be successful, or as successful as hoped and Apple have made quite a few of these in the past.
It's not that the iPhone 5C is looking like a bad phone, but it's disappointing that it's touted as new device despite being effectively the same as the previous one but in a different cover as there's the natural distrust and bad feeling when coming across something that's essentially just repackaged but sold at a premium as if it were new. More importantly the market was hoping for a cheaper device that would help Apple make inroads into territories where Jo Public doesn't have a huge stash of cash to spend on luxury devices.
Wednesday 18th September 2013 08:10 GMT DrXym
I think the issue is that Apple make so few models to begin with that the failure of one of them *is* significant. A company like Samsung probably churns out 20 or 30 phone models a year so if a few of them are duds nobody cares. But if Apple only produces 2 phones, and one of them is a dud then it's a big deal.
"A company like Samsung probably churns out 20 or 30 phone models a year so if a few of them are duds nobody cares."
Maybe if they focused on just 5 or 6 of those, they might actually produce one that's halfway decent?
I know value for money and this isn't it.
WANTED: iOS Desk
What apple actually need is to get into the furniture business and produce the iOS Desk. A full size desk that is all desktop from edge to edge, at typical table resolution with all touch. It's the paperless office come true, sync all your documents through the cloud to your tablet or MacBook.
We've all been dreaming of this for the last 30 years, about time someone makes it.
I probably couldn't affoard it but at least I would want one. Maybe Samsung will make it first?
Tuesday 17th September 2013 13:57 GMT Geoff Campbell
Re: WANTED: iOS Desk
They already did:
http://www.samsung.com/us/business/displays/digital-signage/LH40SFWTGC/ZA
I did not know that. With the resolution it's probably not going to be a good desktop replacement. At least someone is trying!
Tuesday 17th September 2013 14:00 GMT Eradicate all BB entrants
Not sure if you are trolling, but Samsung already have. Its the SUR40 and runs Windows.
> Not sure if you are trolling, but Samsung already have. Its the SUR40 and runs Windows.
That's the thing about things not Apple. If you've imagined it, chances are there's someone out there already making and a whole community of enthusiasts that will declare you late to the party.
Then they can sue IKEA for any rounded corners
Tuesday 17th September 2013 20:10 GMT MattEvansC3
Wouldn't that be the original Microsoft Surface?
Tuesday 17th September 2013 13:51 GMT Charlie Clark
I don't like them but that doesn't mean they won't sell
They seem to complement the I-Pod Touches pretty well and, like the rest of that range, Apple still seems to be selling enough of them to keep them in stock. I guess we'll find out over the next month or so.
Meanwhile in other not really interesting news: I actually saw a Windows Phone in the flesh at the weekend. It was in the hands of an Android developer who'd bought one specifically because he has his hands in Android all the time. But still: a sale is a sale.
Tuesday 17th September 2013 14:30 GMT sandman
Re: I don't like them but that doesn't mean they won't sell
You'll find Windows phones around here. Much prefer my HTC 8X to my old iPhone 3S and the 5 which work supplied me with. T'other half would need her Nokia 720 prying from her cold, dead hands. Oh, the monthly charge is much lower too.
My boss dotes (in a rather worrying fashion to be honest) on his helipad sized Galaxy - far preferring it to his old iPhone. We're serious Mac users, not Apple haters, but just find the phones a bit lacking these days.
Tuesday 17th September 2013 14:00 GMT All names Taken
I've got a huff on with the Apple partly because the wonderful arrangement of iPhone, Macbook Pro, Mac Pro and Mobile Me worked so very, very well.
Heck I was even suggesting such systems as workable solutions for SMEs.
Then the Apple, for whatever reason(s), decided to outmode those methodologies for favour of alternative iCloud. The hardware was fine - super really - but had operational methods made unworkable?
Cloud?
You do not have to use it. I do n't. I suspect a lot of Europeans do not. The kit will work just as before without it.
Tuesday 17th September 2013 14:01 GMT Valdearg
Weird how the "cheaper" model is over £200 more than my S4 when I bought it 3 months ago.
Tuesday 17th September 2013 15:22 GMT Lord Elpuss
No it's not.
Unless your S4 was stolen.
At least in the US, the Galaxy S 4 retails for $604 whereas the 5C retails for $549.
You might be able to get more discounts on Samsung products than Apple... but the cheapest SGS4 I could find on Amazon was $599.
Tuesday 17th September 2013 14:01 GMT CmdrX3
I think Apple missed the point
People wanted a cheap plastic phone, not an expensive plastic phone that looked cheap.
@ CmdrX3 - Re: I think Apple missed the point
. . . to quote Meatloaf: "Two out of three ain't bad."
g,d&r
Was going to but...
When checking different colour combinations of case & phone, I was reminded to go see a doctor about that kidney infection
What I found strange was not that they finally added colours but that they chose such hideous ones: the pink in particular was clearly meant to be red....
If I was buying a 5C (they would need to come down £100) I'd get White with a White case.
Every other colour and case combo looks like a child's toy.
Tuesday 17th September 2013 14:34 GMT Steve Davies 3
do you honestly think
that any self respecting fanboi will admit on this forum that they have bough an iPhone?
Just think for a moment as the mega slagging off that they will get from the Fandroids.
{much like that given to those who buy a Windows Phone...}
Re: do you honestly think
I bought one, an iPhone 4. Am (still) very happy with it. Don't see any reason to upgrade apart from the fact the keyboard is getting a bit laggy with the newest iOS updates, but I am curious about the iPhone 6. Maybe that'll be the magic number.
Friend has a 3GS still going strong although he's going to upgrade to get a better camera mainly. My 3GS is now on it's 3rd owner and still going strong but cannot say the same for the graveyard of old Android phones we have in the office that no longer get updates / cannot be updated / have no value or were broken beyond repair.
Tuesday 17th September 2013 14:34 GMT steveking1000
Apple model line
At least as recently as a few weeks ago you could buy a new iPhone 4 (or if you preferred a 4s) on contract from Carphone Warehouse.
Given how long it has been since the 4 was Apple's top handset I'd say that they have been offering multiple phones for a while. The only thing new is that they changed the case when they trimmed the price a few quid so as not to affect margins as much.
Tuesday 17th September 2013 14:37 GMT Lis 0r
Cheaper alternatives
I know, I'll save a little money, and suck all the joy out of the experience.
Tuesday 17th September 2013 15:12 GMT Joerg
Tim Cook needs to go. He is destroying Apple.
Retarded Mac Pro design like a trash can.
Retarded new Airport Extreme design.. Jony Ive on crack.
iOS7 copying the childish Microsoft Metro/Modern UI and the crap Android UIs .. more Jony Ive on crack.
iPad Mini released .. iPad 4 released after a few months that iPad 3 was on the market.. Tim Cook focused all resources on selling the iPad Mini.. the result? Overall lower iPad units sold for the first time ever, iPad 3 customers outraged.
Now the iPhone 5C plastic nonsense. It could have been a success if and only if there was a single version 32GB at $359 or $399. Instead ? A scam and a silly joke. Priced very high with no quality anymore.
Whoever can buy a 5C now surely adding $100/100Euros more for a proper 5S wouldn't be a problem.
Re: Tim Cook needs to go. He is destroying Apple.
The 5C is essentially a minor upgrade (inside) of the 5 but with a plastic, colourful case - but cheaper.
The 5S is a more significant upgrade by adding genuinely innovative tech (fingerprint reader, better camera / flash and 64 bit processor plus M7 co-pro). I'll be buy a 5S but I know plenty of people who would still be happy with a 4 / 4S and the 5C is a significant upgrade and they may prefer the colour options. I'm not bothered about the colours myself but I know plenty of people (and not wishing to be sexist / ageist) - plenty of women and younger people - who would.
Both will sell hugely well and a lot of people have been waiting for them.
Tuesday 17th September 2013 16:12 GMT Aitor 1
Fingerprint innovative? Being late several years to the party can't be called innovative.
Tuesday 17th September 2013 18:40 GMT Sean Timarco Baggaley
Because, of course, the iPhone 5s' sensor is *exactly* the bloody same as those useless little finger-swipe models that never actually worked reliably.
Oh, wait, it isn't, and you're talking bollocks. Again.
Incidentally, the *only* people expecting Apple to suddenly change the habit of a lifetime and suddenly decide to cater to the low- and mid-range markets with a "cheap" iPhone were the same pundits who continually insist that they know _exactly_ what the late Steve Jobs would have done despite having never actually met him. Apparently, all the people who actually *worked* with Jobs for many years don't have a clue what he wanted.
Come to think of it, *any* pundit who was actually any bloody good would be more than wealthy enough not to have to write link-bait bollocks for third-rate websites for a living. So those who do can be safely ignored.
He also ignores the fact that Apple's innovation has always been in its implementation and marketing of technology rather than the technology itself and Tim Cook is doing an admirable job of continuing that Apple "innovation".
I'm interested to see how the other guys copy the fingerprint sensor - it needs a bit of room after all. I think it's a great idea and I can think of no better way you could unlock your phone (voice would be ridiculous in public, and face recognition was DOA).
@ AC 1523h GMT - Re: Tim Cook needs to go. He is destroying Apple.
The key difference is that on a typical contract it will be £99/$99 up front on a 2 year deal for the 5C and £199/$199 for the 5S so to many people that appears less and $99 is a significant price point.
Retarded Mac Pro design like a trash can. Or like a jet engine, or a gravitation turbine; all depends on your perspective. Some might find it cool; I quite like it.
Retarded new Airport Extreme design.. Jony Ive on crack.Whatever. Again, some might like it and Jony Ive (and team) have a reputation of designing stuff people like.
iOS7 copying the childish Microsoft Metro/Modern UI and the crap Android UIs .. more Jony Ive on crack. Except it's not even close to Metro in design terms, is it? That's an urban myth that has been roundly debunked.
iPad Mini released .. iPad 4 released after a few months that iPad 3 was on the market.. Tim Cook focused all resources on selling the iPad Mini.. the result? Overall lower iPad units sold for the first time ever, iPad 3 customers outraged. True. Can't knock that one.
Now the iPhone 5C plastic nonsense. It could have been a success if and only if there was a single version 32GB at $359 or $399. Instead ? A scam and a silly joke. Priced very high with no quality anymore. You haven't even SEEN it FFS!!!! How the frigging HELL can you have any idea what it's like?!?
Whoever can buy a 5C now surely adding $100/100Euros more for a proper 5S wouldn't be a problem. 5S and 5C are not aimed at the same audience, and it's the industry pundits who were assuming it would be a cheaper option. It was never intended to be cheap, and appears to be aimed at wives/girlfriends/significant others in Apple households where there's enough disposable income to have both a 5S (for him) and a 5C (for her). Sorry if it sounds sexist but cents to dollars the vast majority of 5Cs will be bought by people without a penis.
Tuesday 17th September 2013 17:57 GMT chris lively
You are obviously young, unmarried and unaware of the fact that women make the majority of purchasing decisions in the common household. Hence the reason most things are marketed towards them. You know stuff like cars, houses, heck even oil changes.
And yes, TC should go. He completely lost site of what jobs had built. Namely: style and class. Was the iPhone the best phone? Who cares. It looked better and appeared to be worth its asking price based on materials alone. New one is Plastic? Sorry, wrong price point.
With regards to "debunking" the whole metro copy thing. Apple had glass and dumped it in favor of a flatter less shiny experience. Sound familiar? This comes after ruthlessly going after people for "rounded corners" to the point that the world moved on. The backlash hurt them on style choices, so yes they are copying MS. Guess what- they all copy each other. Have for years and years and years.
Hmmm somehow I agree with the bits in bold, and the bits not in bold.
Oops, forgot
Thank God for the press, keeping track of important information like this.
under 600 preordered on major carrier -- company was expecting on the order of 12 to 15 times that.
/sigh/ waste of a friday.
Re: preorders
Hardly a "major" carrier if they were only expecting 7000-9000 pre-orders of a major new phone. Apple will be shipping millions of these in the first week direct and a hell-of-a-lot more via carriers.
I call BS and someone needs to tell the stock market as AAPL up almost 2% today.
Wednesday 18th September 2013 08:23 GMT iSadLusa
>I call BS and someone needs to tell the stock market as AAPL up almost 2% today.
Perhaps spend less time 'calling BS' and check NASDAQ again, just to evaporate some of the RDF. Unless you meant 'up' in a negative numberly sort of way.
Note the "waste of a friday" -- that was on friday -- still not moving well.
Anyone notice Apple are now doing Applecare Plus which gives you up to 2 replacements for accidental damage over the 2 year period - not that is actually pretty interesting. Think it's subject to an excess of about £50-60 each time - but you accidentally break your phone and get a new one for £50-60 sounds good.
Tuesday 17th September 2013 15:39 GMT bag o' spanners
Looks like desperate marketing from here. Like coloured vinyl. A good way to flog tat to completists.
Tuesday 17th September 2013 15:45 GMT codeusirae
Reservations for Gold and Silver iPhone 5s sold out..
"Unlike the U.S., where there is no pre-order period for the full-priced Apple iPhone 5s, Apple is allowing Chinese iPhone 5s buyers to reserve their unit .. Reservations started on Tuesday and within two hours, the Gold version of the iPhone 5s was sold out in the Sanlitun, Xidan Joy City, and Wangfujing Apple Stores"
http://www.phonearena.com/news/Reservations-for-Gold-and-Silver-Apple-iPhone-5s-are-sold-out-in-Beijing-and-Hong-Kong_id47497
"Online reservations for the new iPhones have shot past 100,000 at China's second-largest mobile carrier, reports Bloomberg".
http://news.cnet.com/8301-13579_3-57603056-37/iphone-5s-5c-score-100000-reservations-at-china-unicom/
Re: Reservations for Gold and Silver iPhone 5s sold out..
within two hours, the Gold version of the iPhone 5s was sold out
Numbers? How many? Easy to sell out if the stores only had 5 each. Without an actual figure, such claims are worthless.
Tuesday 17th September 2013 15:50 GMT Sp4rk1e
Im sure there are more like me.
I don't like to be associated with the 'Apple user' stigma... but i do by the iPhone. I really have tried all the alternatives, but none compare. I long for the day the other handsets catchup to the pace of the iPhone. Until then, you'll find me in the queue for the latest iPhone.... the 5S is just the next in a line of 'best the market has to offer' handsets.
Tuesday 17th September 2013 15:58 GMT Andy 115
Is it really such a surprise that figures are not forthcoming?
The last 3 iPhone launches have been for a single model with pre-orders.
This year we have 1 model that is "re-cased" from last year on pre-order (some variations sold out for launch day) and a new model that has no pre-order (apart from in China?)
I would much rather put my money on an announcement AFTER launch weekend for the 5s…
After all, the 5s is the main event here (new features and 64bit).
Tuesday 17th September 2013 16:22 GMT OutToPlayJazz
Okay, I admit it. I'm one of those "fanboi" types. I did try Android stuff. I really did. But the poor 70's style Taiwanese Samsung build quality and the sheer quantity of untested and useless apps on the Play Store put me off. I even sold my Nexus 7 after a month and bought an iPad mini. Anyway, Aunty Apple looks after me and all my data, even updating and synchronising all my lovely fruity toys without my having to lift a finger.
So yes, a nice blue iPhone 5C will be joining my arsenal of fruity toys on Friday. I'm sure it'll be lovely, very well made and compliment my iPhone 5 on my other account.
I'll let you fandroids know how I get along with the new fruit, although as we all know, it'll "just work".
Tuesday 17th September 2013 16:25 GMT hexx
after long time came here... can see the same rubbish in both articles and comments... moving on (mods -> grow up you retarded fandroids)
Tuesday 17th September 2013 16:38 GMT The Infamous Grouse
About as un-Jobsian as you can get
While I wouldn't want to try to predict actual sales performance in such a volatile market and with such fickle consumers, I can say with absolute certainty that Steve Jobs would never in a million years have sanctioned the release of the aesthetic disaster that is the iPhone 5C.
I know Jobs said before he passed that it would be folly for anyone to try to run Apple by playing the "what would Steve do?" game, and in terms of company structure and overall direction he was almost certainly right. But when it came to design philosophy and attention to detail he was much easier to predict and there is no way on God's green earth he would have let the 5C out of the lab.
This is not trying to second-guess a dead man, it's learning from well-documented history. This was a man who once called Vic Gundotra on a Sunday to complain that a single letter on the iOS Google icon didn't have the correct yellow gradient and that he wanted a team putting together to fix it. Gudotra wasn't even an Apple employee.
Does that sound like the same man who would have allowed this to reach market?
It's all very well for a company to explore new directions but it's also in a company's best interest to play to its strengths, and most of Apple's successes in the recent past were due in no small part to Jobs' singular vision. To push at the boundaries of that vision is one thing, but the 5C just repeatedly punches it in both eyes until the retinas detach. It's awful.
Re: About as un-Jobsian as you can get
"I can say with absolute certainty that Steve Jobs would never in a million years have sanctioned the release of the aesthetic disaster that is the iPhone 5C."
The 5c is a coloured iPhone. You know: like the coloured *iPods* Apple have been selling for years now. Did you not notice those?
Have you also forgotten the multicoloured *plastic* iMacs that helped bring Apple back from the brink, nearly 15 years ago?
All of those were released with Steve Jobs' explicit approval while he was still alive.
I think you're missing the point, Apple went from plastic to metal and didn't look back. It's not that plastic is bad, but why use it when you can use metal?
Plastic is tacky, there's almost nothing I can think of that is plastic and looks good.
The 3G and 3GS were plastic... and fairly crap plastic, too. He allowed those.
It's not just the colours and the plastic, although the choice of colours is definitely questionable. The black and white aren't too bad but the others are fairly sickly both alone or in combination. The various coloured iPods, and especially the original iMacs, somehow managed to be both bright and understated. But the 5C just comes across as garish.
But colour is subjective and bright things are "in" again and I'm prepared to concede that Steve Jobs might have been prepared to sign off on those, if they were the only issue. But the whole "hidden typography" thing linked above (and there's clearer view of it here) is simply unforgivable. It suggests lack of attention or, worse, a belief that little details aren't important. Once upon a time, the little things were all that mattered at Apple.
You may like or dislike the choice of colours, and you may even have your own ideas about how Jobs would have reacted to them. But if you believe for one second that he would have allowed an Apple product wrapped in an Apple case to display the words "non. ed by Ap...nia. Asse...a Mode" on the back, you are definitely not remembering the same Steve Jobs I am.
Tuesday 17th September 2013 16:41 GMT earlyjester
I still do not understand who the 5c is aimed at, from a work/social aspect for lovers of apples products is having the 5c screaming I could not afford the 5s I am not as good as my friends / colleagues around me, judge me for my phone choice and find me wanting.
That's true - a 5c says "I'm a loser" that tried to be different but now I just look inferior to my colleagues.
Sad but true, this is the world we live in.
Same applies in the Android world, anything except an S4, HTC One, or a Nexus 4 (barely) and you're also a loser.
I'm still on a 4S and see absolutely no reason to change.
It's fast enough and does what I want.
Maybe they'd simply hit some sort of market saturation number. Plenty of 4s still out there doing just fine. Quite frankly most of the world doesn't swap out to the new shiny as soon as it comes out without a good reason. Certainly those who are tied to an existing contract wouldn't want to take the hit until they are eligible for upgrade. I don't know how many old non-smart phone devices still exist; Pretty much everyone I know either has a droid or an iPhone. Finally their marketing must have fallen asleep I didn't even know another iPhone was coming out till last week. Then again, I simply don't care. If this one stops working then ill get another.
I'm sure within the week we will see an announcement that they've sold another 2 million devices. Of course that announcement won't give the timeframe involved... Is it time to short apple stock? Maybe 5 points or so?
The 5C is not their new phone... when have they printed #s for their old phones?
Did Apple crow about preorders for the 4 when the 4S came out? Or the 4S when the 5 came out? etc.
So why would they start doing press releases about their basically-old phone, the 5(C)?
For better or worse, the 5C is obviously not their "new" phone. It's a plastic iPhone 5. It's priced like an iPhone 5 and it takes up the same slot in their product lineup. Anybody who thinks it's a "new" phone and expects similar fanfare is an idiot.
(And I say this as someone who will be buying a 5S and wishing that it came in plastic... I hate that odd combination of glass and thin, scratch-prone aluminum on the back of the 5/5S.)
Re: The 5C is not their new phone... when have they printed #s for their old phones?
>And I say this as someone who will be buying a 5S and wishing that it came in plastic... I hate that
>odd combination of glass and thin, scratch-prone aluminum on the back of the 5/5S.
wishing that (it was different),
hating odd combination
of thin, scratch-prone aluminum
... and still will be buying.
Sounds like the typical discernment of the typical iStuff buyer.
Tuesday 17th September 2013 20:09 GMT bex
the fingerprint unlock is a nice feature but not enough to jump on the ios bandwagon, I have a super sweet deal with t-moble so unless I bought an iphone outright it's a no go for me
Tuesday 17th September 2013 20:55 GMT Madboater
I was going to ask who would by a 5c
With the 5s audience being those that buy iPhones for the same reason the drink Stella, and the 5 being exactly the same spec but in a smarter more durable case. But then I realised that there is a brand of people who do not understand care about the innards, can't afford an iPhone but do want to have the latest handset no matter what. I know how well Apple understand their audience, I didn't realise there were enough of those numpties to warrant their own product.
Also do not forget the iPhone 6 must be round the corner, ready to lift another £500 of them.
Re: I was going to ask who would by a 5c
News flash, Apple always sells last year's model for $100 less than the current one.
Only this time there's a bunch of hand-wringing about who would buy this "new" (old) handset.
What about the people who were buying the 4S after the 5 came out? Did you also say they were people who didn't understand or care about phone innards?
Tuesday 17th September 2013 21:03 GMT RubberJohnny
Oh shut up with all this Android / iOS bickering crap. I got sick of reading the same old stuff years ago and the saddos are still bleating on at each other. Just shut up SHUT UP buy the phone you prefer and shut the f*** up. That is all.
Don't understand Apple's moves
I know that Apple tries to pull this "premium" product stuff, but surely if they released a truly competitively priced product they would pick up so much new business.
Or maybe not?
Tuesday 17th September 2013 22:53 GMT whatsa
If the phone was $200-300 us outright I would say OK.
it looks tacky and cheap...
if youre looking for something cheap then that is often the look of those items
- I think it will just p!ss people off when they find out the cost.
They understand premium but that has nothing to do with understanding the
global market. Its not that Apple cannot, its just they dont care... same as
so many areas of computing that they have grovelled to get access to without supporting
in anyway themselves.
This whole article and most of the attached comments are so moronic it beggars belief. Reading this drivel has actually made me stupider.
Just put the apple loathing to one side and try to apply some rational thought to this, if all the butthurt allows you to. The 5C is a new iPhone yes, but it's not THE new iPhone. It's launch was never going to be on anything like the scale of an actual new generation iPhone, which is what the article is trying to draw a comparison with.
The 5C is a new product but Apple have been transparent about the fact that it's an iPhone 5 - last years phone - they constantly referenced that in the launch. And then of course they went on to launch the 5S as the new flagship. THAT is the phone they'll shortly be boasting opening weekend sales for.
The 5C will sell fine too, just like the 4S did last year after the 5 was announced, and all previous "now just $99" iPhones before that - but since it's based on older parts the supply will be plentiful and it's unlikely to ever sell out. It's not expected to.
Wednesday 18th September 2013 00:52 GMT sam bo
Conspiracy theory ?
maybe it is all the revelations about the NSA that got me thinking....
Watching the comments flying back and forth with such vehemence, got me wondering if it would be in El Reg's interest to post their own provocative comments under the "anonymous coward" handle , just to stir the pot.
Why not troll the readership to get the comments flowing ?
It works in politics "agent provocateurs" are used extensively, why not here ?
Just sayin' - no idea if they do it or not.
Wednesday 18th September 2013 06:32 GMT Confuciousmobil
Not surprised.
Most people are waiting for the 5S - the only people I know who have ordered the 5C will be getting the S as well. The C isn't the main show here, not surprised sales aren't exactly soaring.
I've not read all the comments but
Has anyone considered the reason for potentially poor sales of the 5C may be due to the mindset of some potential iPhone purchasers - those that are under the impression the iPhone is a status symbol. In this situation, a cheaper, lesser iPhone wouldn't be an attractive purchase and if anything force these buyers to go for the more expensive option.
Smart move Apple. Offer a cheaper iPhone to satisfy the "too expensive" naysayers, yet at the same time give the fanbois no real option other than the premium 5S.
Wednesday 18th September 2013 08:29 GMT Telboy
When apple finally bring out
a checked model( a la Burberry) it will have completed the transition to Chavdom.
Wednesday 18th September 2013 09:01 GMT mark1978
I currently have a 4S and watched the 5S and 5C announcements in detail, and looked at the price. I've come to the conclusion I want a Galaxy S4.
Wednesday 18th September 2013 10:10 GMT Nameless Faceless Computer User
Wake me up after the long lines die down, after the bugs have been fixed, and after we get to the point where a website says, "In stock. Ready to ship."
Meanwhile, I'll be doing something more constructive with my day.
Wednesday 18th September 2013 11:43 GMT MjB
A need for press time?
I think Apple are saving 'interesting' and 'desirable' for the iPhone 6
Wednesday 18th September 2013 12:44 GMT Chris Collins 1
Sorry buts a big LOL at the 5c price, seems apple out of touch on what budget means.
Wednesday 18th September 2013 18:39 GMT vmcreator
Apple must survive
I will buy everything apple and I do not care about cost or functionality versus Samsung or Microsoft. What else would I spend my money on?
Why?, because we need Apple, VMware and Google to survive as companies to keep Mickeysoft down. Competition is healthy.
Apple is Rolls Royce...............enough said.
Re: Apple must survive - Apple is Rolls Royce
Wake me up when an Apple phone comes with a service contract that can run for over 50 years, with many upgrades during that period, and it is suitable for mission critical applications.
No consumer electronic company has any relationship to Rolls Royce in any shape or form (except perhaps that BlackBerry own QNX, which is the Rolls-Royce of embedded operating systems)


We should accept at the outset that, whatever changes we make to the law, and whatever system we have for managing properties where a number of people have an interest in the land, some tension is inevitable. Even in those countries that have a commonhold system, some people in a particular block of flats might be keen for further improvements to be made, while others, who might be more financially challenged, might be more nervous about their service charge bills.
I want to consider the issue of houses being sold as leasehold, which my hon. Friend the Member for Worthing West and the hon. Member for Ellesmere Port and Neston (Justin Madders) have mentioned. Leasehold has been a part of the housing market in this country for decades, even centuries. In the right circumstances, with the right safeguards, it can serve both leaseholders and freeholders well. As we have heard today, however, that is often not the case.
Those practices are not illegal, but it seems to me, and to the Secretary of State, to be one of those cases where there is a gulf between the letter of the law and our sense of what is right. Some of the cases that we have seen in the media and heard about today have highlighted some truly appalling behaviour. The Secretary of State and I have been looking closely at the issues raised in recent weeks and we are both absolutely determined to stamp out unfair, unjust and unacceptable abuse of the leasehold system.
A number of references have been made to Taylor Wimpey's announcement that it will address some of our concerns about its use of leasehold. I am keen to hear more about what it plans to do, not just to stop such practices in the future, but to help homeowners who are currently stuck with ground rents rising much faster than inflation. The hon. Member for Ellesmere Port and Neston made that point powerfully. The leaseholder does not have to be very far into the lease in order to be stuck with that problem, which relates not necessarily to their actual payments at that point in time, but to their ability either to extend the lease or to sell the property to someone else.
It is welcome that this practice is not going to continue, but my constituents are anxious to know what the Government can do to deal with the onerous conditions that exist in leases already?
I do not have an answer for the hon. Gentleman today, but I assure him that the Secretary of State and I are looking into this issue. We are very clear that it is not just a matter of stopping this practice; we must also address the situation of hard-working people who believe that they have bought their home, but who may find themselves unable to sell that home further down the line. I give the hon. Gentleman the clear assurance that we are looking at the issue.
There are a number of different ways in which the issue can be addressed. It is a difficult issue, because although the clear mood in the House is that the practice is unfair, it none the less interacts with the property rights of the freeholder, and those rights have some protection under the European convention on human rights. We need to think about the right way to address the problem. I will certainly reflect on the suggestion that my hon. Friend has made, and other suggestions have been made during the debate.
We should not be under any illusions. The problem does not just concern one company; a number of our larger developers are involved in it. They would do well to remember that they are building homes for people to live in, not investment vehicles for financial institutions. Except in a very few exceptional circumstances, I cannot think of any good reason for houses to be built on a leasehold basis. If the industry does not put a stop to the practice and help existing homeowners, we will look to see what Government can do.
I turn to ground rents. Historically, ground rents were set at around one thousandth of the lease value, sometimes increasing every 25 or 33 years. They existed only to create a contract between the freeholder and the leaseholder. However, in recent years, ground rent levels for new leases have increased, as has the frequency of increases. Research by Direct Line suggested that the average ground rent is now £371 for new builds and £327 for older properties.
My immediate concern is the level and frequency of increases in ground rents. We have heard today about one developer selling a lease with a ground rent starting at just under £300 in 2011 and doubling each decade for 50 years, so that by 2061 the annual cost will reach almost £9,500. The purchaser was not made aware of the escalation by their solicitor, who was recommended by the developer. The purchaser is now unable to sell the property, and the cost of extending the lease or buying the freehold is prohibitive.
Of course, there is a degree of caveat emptor when we buy a new house, but we all know that our housing market is a seller's market at the moment and the advantage lies firmly with the developer. Just because they can sell desperate people something does not mean that they should be doing so. Institutional and other investors increasingly see ground rents as an alternative to equities and bonds, but leaseholders see no return or value in ground rents, especially when they can rise to onerous levels. Obviously, Members on both sides of the House welcome institutional investment into our housing market, but I would much rather institutional investors put their money into productive projects instead of just hoovering up ground rents because they are seen as a safe bet.
Both this House and the Government want to hear more from the developers about what they are going to do to put the situation right.
It seems the unregulated and unscrupulous freeholder, Southern Land Securities is one such example who rip leaseholders off by carrying out works that don't really need doing in the first place. They seem to thrive on the Section 20 Works, whereby they charge hundreds of thousands of pounds to do the work, which is totally unnecessary and they charge you just over £1000 for a consultation even before they start the work, which seems to be totally illegal. Southern Land Securities take 10% commission for the Section 20 Works, so it's a good business for them, but unlucky for the leaseholder who has to grin and bear it. Let's put a stop to this company. Together Property Management formerly known as Hamilton King manage their buildings, but ultimately, Southern Land Securities are the main culprits.
Mr A , If you are not consulted on works that cost a leaseholder £250 or more than you just do not pay. The legislation is crystal clear. Ignore any intimidating letter that a dodgy solicitor acting for the Freeholder might send you. They cannot charge for the consultaion so don't pay. What are they going to do? They are in the wrong.


UN Secretary General Antonio Guterres has reacted to the recent wave of violence against protesters along the Gaza Strip border with Israel by calling for a "transparent and independent" investigation of the killings.
This proposal came amid the failure of the UN Security Council, which convened in an extraordinary session to deal with this violence, in which 16 Palestinians were shot to death by Israeli soldiers and more than a thousand injured, to take an affirmative action.
What is there to investigate, one may ask, when it is crystal clear that the fallen Palestinians were obviously shot by Israeli gunfire and hundreds wounded gravely.
Under the circumstances, there is nothing left to investigate since the evidence is overwhelming and undisputed that the killed and injured Palestinians were due to Israeli bullets.
The Palestinians killed or injured were not armed as to constitute any real danger to the Israeli army. The most lethal weapon that some of them had were stone slugthrowers. No kind of firearms, big or small, were used by the protesting Palestinians, so why call for an investigation that cannot disclose or confirm what is already clear and well founded.
Instead of further delays, the Security Council should have been asked to act, and act swiftly, on the killed and injured Palestinians as soon as possible before the clashes along the Israeli-Gaza borders get out of hand and more Palestinians could be killed or injured.
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Jeesiö Gold Project
Mustajärvi Gold Project
Seuru Gold Project
Ylöjӓrvi Gold Project
Riikonkoski Gold Project
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FireFox Gold Significantly Extends Mineralization At Mustajärvi Gold Project, Finland
VANCOUVER, BC – (November 26th, 2019) – FireFox Gold Corp. ("FireFox" or the "Company") is pleased to report the first results of the Phase 2 diamond core drilling program at its 100% owned Mustajärvi Gold Project in the Central Lapland Greenstone Belt, Finland. This phase of drilling consisted of nine drill holes, and assays have been received from the first five holes. Notably, two step-out drill holes, 19MJ006 and 19MJ005, intercepted gold mineralization 500 metres northeast of the known gold mineralization (the "Central Zone"), which has a strike length of approximately 400 metres. These holes targeted the previously untested northeastern extent of the shear zone that controls mineralization in the Central Zone. At "Mustajärvi NE", this shear zone is associated with consecutive gold-in-till anomalies, which continue at least one kilometre northeast from the newly discovered gold mineralization (see Figure 1: https://bit.ly/2qEXl69).
Drill hole 19MJ006 intersected more than 50 metres of a strongly brecciated zone with abundant quartz-tourmaline veining. Gold mineralization averaging 12 g/t Au over 1.95 metres was intersected between 125.75 and 127.9 metres down-hole (including 0.2 metre core loss). This mineralized interval consisted of massive tourmaline-quartz-pyrite veining with more than 50% tourmaline and 10-20% pyrite. Within the same broad breccia zone, a second mineralized zone intersected one metre averaging 2.29 g/t Au between 144.7 and 145.7 metres down-hole. This intercept consisted of a quartz-pyrite vein with ~40% pyrite. A second step-out hole, 19MJ005, was collared 75 metres west-southwest of drill hole 19MJ006. It intersected a similar brecciated zone as seen in hole 19MJ006, although narrower. Assays returned two metres averaging 0.9 g/t Au.
"This drill program has successfully expanded the potential gold footprint of the Mustajärvi Project," commented Carl Löfberg, President and CEO of FireFox Gold. "The shear zone that controls the mineralization identified to date is currently defined over nearly three kilometres in strike and today's reported step out holes give further evidence of the potential this structure holds. Future drilling will test within the new 500-metre step-out to determine the extent of mineralization in the northeastern extent of the shear zone."
An additional three new holes, 19MJ001, 19MJ002 and 19MJ004, were drilled within the Central Zone in order to follow up the high-grade gold interval discovered earlier this year (hole 18MJ002 yielded 2m @ 45 g/t Au; see FireFox new release dated Jan 21, 2019). These new drill holes confirmed the presence of gold veins at predicted depths 25 metres along strike in both directions and 25 metres down-dip.
Drill hole 19MJ001, which targeted gold mineralization 25 metres down-dip of 18MJ002, intersected 0.6 metres averaging 4.5 g/t Au starting from 142.2 metres down hole and an anomalous two metre interval averaging 0.33g/t Au from 107.3 metres down hole. Hole 19MJ002, located 25 metres west of 18MJ002, intersected an anomalous one metre interval averaging 0.64 g/t Au at 117.7 metres, and 0.55 metres averaging 1.27g/t Au from 136.55 metres down hole. Hole 19MJ004, was collared 25 metres east of 18MJ002 and intersected 1.9 metres averaging 1.06g/t Au. Gold mineralization in all three holes was associated with semi-massive pyrite mineralization with accessory quartz and tourmaline.
Table 1: Summary of Drill Intercepts
Drill Hole
Easting
(metres)
Northing
Azimuth (°)
Dip (°)
Depth (m)
From (m)
To (m)
Interval (m)
Gold (g/t)
Notes: Drill hole numbering was not consecutive. Drilling is believed to be perpendicular to the dip of the mineralization, however true widths are not yet known and will be confirmed with additional drilling and geological modeling following the program. Internal dilution and tails are mineralized but assay below the Company's 1 g/t cutoff for high grade gold.
For additional details on the Project, please visit the Company's website www.firefoxgold.com.
The core was transported from the rig to the Company´s core storage facility in Sodankylä, where the geological and geotechnical logging was conducted, assay intervals selected by FireFox´s exploration team and it was cut in half. Intervals were generally one metre but in some circumstances, were modified according to lithological boundaries and other factors. FireFox geologists maintained chain of custody and sampling procedures reported in this news release according to best industry practice and with due attention to quality assurance and quality control, including the insertion of standard and blank samples. The logged core was then transported to Labtium Laboratory Oy in Sodankylä, Finland, where half core samples were crushed, pulverized and split with a riffle splitter.
The lab performed fire assay for gold on 25 gram aliquots followed by ICP-OES determination (method 704P; detection limit 0.01ppm). In addition, the lab reports a large suite of elements from a subsample that is digested in hot aqua regia and analyzed by ICP-OES and ICP-MS (method 515PM). The multielement analyses are not completed at the time of this news release. Labtium Laboratory Oy is an independent facility accredited to the SFS-EN ISO/IEC 17025:2005 standard. The quality system of Labtium also complies with the requirements of the Standards Council of Canada (CAN-P-1579) "Guidelines for Accreditation of Mineral Analysis Testing Laboratories".
Dr. Petri Peltonen, Exploration Manager of FireFox Gold, is a qualified person as defined by National Instrument 43-101 – Standards of Disclosure for Mineral Projects. Dr. Peltonen has supervised the collection and interpretation of the technical data generated in the Company's field program and has helped prepare, and approves, the technical information in this news release.
Patrick Highsmith, Certified Professional Geologist (AIPG CPG # 11702) and director of the Company, is a qualified person as defined by National Instrument 43-101. Mr. Highsmith has helped prepare, and approves, the technical information in this news release.
The Company is also pleased to announce that it has engaged Petri Nousiainen as Investor Relations Director, Europe, subject to the acceptance of the TSX Venture Exchange. Mr. Nousiainen is a Certified European Financial Analyst with over 20 years of experience as a broker and trader in Finland. He also served as the Chairman of Finland's Stock Brokers' Association for eight years. Mr. Nousiainen is tasked with building the shareholder base by introducing FireFox to his extensive network of contacts including brokers, portfolio managers and high net worth investors in Finland and throughout Europe. In consideration, the Company has agreed to pay, via its wholly-owned Finnish subsidiary FireFox Gold Oy, a monthly salary of 2,800€ for a term of 1 year. Mr. Nousiainen currently holds 135,500 shares of FireFox.
About FireFox Gold Corp.
FireFox Gold Corp is listed on the TSX Venture stock exchange under the ticker symbol FFOX. The Company is focused entirely on gold exploration in Finland where it is exploring its project portfolio that includes over 150,000 hectares of prospective ground.
Finland is one of the top mining investment jurisdictions in the world as indicated by its multiple top-10 rankings in recent Fraser Institute Surveys of Mining Companies. Having a strong mining law and long mining tradition, Finland remains underexplored for gold. Recent exploration results in the country have highlighted its prospectivity, and FireFox is proud to have a Finland based CEO and technical team.
For more information concerning the Company, please refer to the Company's profile on the SEDAR website at www.sedar.com.
On behalf of the Board of Directors,
"Carl Löfberg"
Neither TSX Venture Exchange nor its Regulation Services Provider (as that term is defined in policies of the TSX Venture Exchange) accepts responsibility for the adequacy or accuracy of this release.
FireFox Gold Corp.
The information in this news release contains forward looking statements that are subject to a number of known and unknown risks, uncertainties and other factors that may cause actual results to differ materially from those anticipated in our forward-looking statements. Factors that could cause such differences include: changes in world commodity markets, equity markets, costs and supply of materials relevant to the mining industry, change in government and changes to regulations affecting the mining industry. Forward-looking statements in this release may include statements regarding: the current drill program, including the expected number, depth, location, and direction of the drill holes; the timing of assay results; and possible extensions of mineralization along with its thickness and quality. Although we believe the expectations reflected in our forward-looking statements are reasonable, results may vary. The forward-looking statements contained in this press release represent the expectations of FireFox as of the date of this press release and, accordingly, are subject to change after such date. Readers should not place undue importance on forward-looking statements and should not rely upon this information as of any other date. FireFox does not undertake to update this information at any particular time except as required in accordance with applicable laws.
It should also be noted that while FireFox's properties are sometimes adjacent to or nearby operating or historic gold mines or active gold projects being advanced by other companies, the mineralization on properties nearby FireFox's land packages is not necessarily indicative of mineralization on FireFox's properties.
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Get Ready to Rock with THE GRIMPS – An Animated Music Series Coming Soon!
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Aimed at kids ages 6-12, The Grimps is an animated musical series in development by Suzanne DeLaurentiis Productions and created by cartoonist and musician Richard Sirgiovanni. What sets this upcoming series apart from other cartoons nowadays is its original music, life lessons, and modern content, but with a throwback feel to fictional bands like Josie & the Pussycats, The Archies, and even The Monkees.
Speaking of The Archies, The Grimps' original theme song was written by Ron Dante, who was the actual voice of The Archies, famous for the hit "Sugar Sugar". Richard Sirgiovanni told StarShine in an exclusive interview that Dante hit the "nail on the head" with the song. "I wanted something memorable, fresh, peppy, and poppy as a theme song, but not necessarily the sound of the band," says Sirgiovanni. The Grimps' sound is actually still being decided on, but Sirgionanni says it will be contemporary and their music won't be a kiddie novelty.
Listen to The Grimps Theme Song on SoundCloud!
The Grimps are more than your average animated band though. Long ago, the four musicians were transformed by an evil wizard into hideous troll creatures for all eternity. With the help of a sorceress, aptly named Magic Alex, they find a way to live as human rock stars again – but only at night. While touring the world, The Grimps search for a way to lift the curse so they can once again live as humans forever.
Of course, they meet adversity from Spector, the wizard who cast the original spell on them, who is now in a powerful position as the CEO of a major media corporation. As he furiously realizes that the Grimps are once again going to become the most popular band in the world, Spector and his assistant, a wicked fairy named Joplin, jealously sets out to destroy the Grimps once and for all.
Each episode focuses on a relatable, everyday dilemma that the Grimps face in their lives as musicians and friends: the common problems kids and preteens might encounter as they work, play, learn, and grow together. Whether it's a disagreement about how a song should sound, broken trust when a secret is revealed, or much bigger antics and arguments as they set off on their worldwide tour, the Grimps constantly face challenges and learn positive lessons as they overcome them.
During our interview with The Grimps' creator, Sirgiovanni shared with us how he got started in cartooning. "I was an avid comic book reader so I just started to draw and copy characters and pictures. I found a passion for it. I got very interested in not just copying artwork, which helped me learn how to draw, but I also started to create my own characters at a young age." Parallel to his discovery of drawing, Sirgiovanni found a deep love of music, which he credits to his mother, who introduced him to The Beatles. After his mother passed away, he used drawing and music as ways to cope and get lost in fantasy. At 12 years old, Sirgiovanni took up the drums and went on to play in local bands around New York City as a teenager. One of the many music artists he played with and crossed paths with was Cyndi Lauper.
Producer Suzanne DeLaurentiis (middle) and Richard Sirgiovanni (right) pose with colleagues on the red carpet.
After graduating from the School of Visual Arts in Manhattan, where he studied cartooning and storytelling under Harvey Kurtzman (co-founder of Mad Magazine) and Will Eisner, (creator of The Spirit comics), Sirgiovanni worked as a freelance cartoonist while simultaneously working in advertising, creating radio and TV commercials and magazine advertisements. "I've always had my hands in creative my whole life," he says before revealing that The Grimps was created out of boredom. "I was ready to create something new. After playing music and doing cartoons for magazines, I said the next thing I want to do is combine those two things. Every episode, based on the theme of the storyline, will produce an original song." Sirgiovanni went on to say the episodes won't solely be focused on The Grimps as a band either. "My intention is to make it fun, positive messages for kids without being teachy and preachy."
The Grimps is currently in pre-production and being pitched to networks and buyers. To follow the series and the band's journey, check out the website: https://thegrimps.com and follow on social media below.
Instagram: @thegrimpsmania
Facebook: https://facebook.com/thegrimps
Twitter: @thegrimps
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Hi, everyone! I've just made the moc I should have made three years ago. It's so fantastic to return to your old plans! Other photos can be found here.
Hey guys! I've been rewatching all the Star Wars movies the last couple weeks in anticipation for The Force Awakens. Now I'm in the mood to make sets LEGO never did! So I started off with the Droid Factory from Episode II: Attack of the Clones! The minifigures I included are Anakin, Padmé, RD-D2, two Geonosians, a Droideka, and two battle droids (one with C3-PO's head.) As usual with my MOCs, I try to make them look like real LEGO sets. So there's tons of play features, like turning the knobs on the sides of the conveyor belts, knocking Padmé into the giant fire pot thing the little platform at the entrance can be pulled back, etc. I actually made a droid factory set in 2013 but didn't like it so I remade it last night. I think it's heaps better than the old one, what about you? Thanks for looking! Feel free to tell me what you think I should make next! I'm thinking the Battle on Geonosis. We'll see!
Hello again everyone! Continuing to review the sets I bought during the May the Fourth sale. This is my last review of the 2015 winter wave as I don't have the other sets that still need a review and I don't plan buying them. They are: 75081 T-16 Skyhopper 75084: Wookiee Gunship 75086: Battle Droid Troop Carrier 75087: Anakin's Custom Jedi Starfighter 75090: Ezra's Speeder Bike If anyone could review these. Thanks! So now on to the review This is my third review : 75089 Geonosis Troopers Name: Geonosis Troopers Theme: Star Wars / Expended universe / The Clone Wars Year: 2015 Pieces: 105 Minifigures: 4 Price: USA 12.99$, ENG 11.99£, CAN 15.99$, EUR 16.99€ Ressources: Brickset Lego store description The front of the box with the new 2015 art: A stormtrooper helmet tagged with a rebel alliance crest. Your standard box art for 2015. On the back of the box, we see the play features and the number os stud shooter and the number of spare studs. Also shown is the clone troopers and the walker's features. In the box, the pieces come in 2 bags and with the instruction booklet. The instruction booklet with the same image as the box on the cover. The back with the win minifigure. Spare parts: mainly spare studs. It's a battlepack! The completed model. The walker with the new stud "gatlin" gun ready to fire! Side view 1 Side view 2 Top view Back view With the legs posed like it's recommended in the manual The walker as 3 features: movable legs, the "gatlin gun" and the opening cockpit. Here is the cockpit opened and closed. Closed The walker is unstable if both legs aren't placed the same way And now what you were all waiting for: The Minifigures! We get 4 of them; 2 Geonosis airborne troopers and 2 Geonosis troopers. The battlepacks comes with 2 different heads: the standard clone trooper face and another one with a different facial expression. The Geonosis trooper compared to the to the Kashyyyk trooper and Utapau trooper. We can see that the camo pattern is different then the Kashyyyk trooper. It has the same back printing as the one from the Utapau BP. Back view The airborne trooper compared to the Utapau BP one. Back view Rating ------ These three points are not included in final score. Price: 6/10 – 105 pieces for 12.99$ is above the 10 cents per piece ration. Also like other battlepacks with the gatlin gun, 20 of those piece are studs for the guns and the canon. Still we get 4 amazing minifigures and a small vehicule. Parts: 7.5/10 – Many of the pieces are studs but we get a nice assortement of pieces in geonosian tan that could be usefull for any desert moc. You love or you don't the new gatlin gun. Build 7/10 – The build takes around 10 minutes. No special technic are involved in the build. Battlepacks are about minifigures and not the building experience, so no surprise here ------ Design 5/10 – This walker is not based on any source material but we have seen enough walkers that we know how it should look or not look like. From the front and from the side the model does look good but looks bad from behind because of a complete lack of detail. There is only so much you can do with 50-60 pieces. You can fit 2 minifigures and their guns on the walker. The legs are movable, the cockpit can be opened and closed and the gatlin gun does shoot fast and far. Still it's a little hard to place the legs in display mode. (refer to image legs posed like it's recommended in the manual) If both legs aren't place the same way, the walker will be very unstable or it will fall. Besides, the walker can't stand on 1 leg and thus it limits the different poses it can take. It's an average build. Nothing amazing. Still it might bring some memories to some of the first walker of the very first battlepack released: the clone walkers BP. Minifigures: 10/10 – The minifigures are outstanding. The camo printing on both troopers is very detailled and beautifull. Printed legs, and backprint on all 4 minifigures. The airborne trooper helmet is also very well made and looks just like the source material. Troopers from a new clone legion is always welcome for MOCs and dioramas. Also we get 2 different faces wich is good for an all clone battlepack. Playability: 6/10 – Not much play features except for the gatlin canon and the opening cockpit. It's hard to set the legs in display mode and both legs must be placed the same way if not the model will be unstable or it won't even stand. The movable legs can't really considered a play feature in this case. Still the shooter is fun to use and so are the minifigure's guns. This is a one faction battlepacks. It's meant to be played with other sets so you can have targets to shoot at! OVERALL 7/10 – A good battlepack. The minifigure are definitively the highlight of the set as you would expect. Adding a new clone legion to your collection is always nice even tho some would have prefered a more "famous" legion like the Galactic Marines or the 501th. Seeing another variant of the airborne trooper is also very nice because the mold for the helmet is amazing. The vehicule included could have been better. In the end this is an above average battlepack with outsanding minifigures that carry a rather average walker. Thoughts and critiques welcomes! Also if there is any grammar mistake burning your eyes, please PM me and I will edit. Thanks for reading!