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Binders full of women
October 18, 2012 May 6, 2015 / Historiann
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Some people are mystified as to why "binders full of women" is the meme that people remember from Tuesday night's presidential debate. Some men obviously don't get it (see below), but I think a lot of women were struck by the awkwardness and belabored tone of Mitt Romney's anecdote about improving the representation of women appointees in his gubernatorial administration in Massachusetts in the past decade. In trying to demonstrate that he thinks about sex equity and has taken steps in his career to redress what he sees as an imbalance, he unfortunately only confirmed a Democratic perception of him as insular and out of touch with the worlds that most people live and work in. Perhaps many were wondering like me, "the only time you thought about this was when you were nearly 60 years old and in public office? What about all of those years at Boston Consulting Group and Bain? Hmmm."
(N.B. Before demagoguing this, Democrats should ask themselves about their party's commitment to sex equity and equal opportunity for women and men in the workplace. How 'bout that 2008 primary season? Remember that? Then shut up, Democrats, and stop acting like your party isn't the abusive boyfriend or husband warning women "It'll be worse for you if you dump me for the other guy!")
This discussion of the "binders" comment is highly instructive for women who choose to initiate a serious conversation about feminism or gender issues with a group of men who refuse to take these issues seriously. These maneuvers will look familiar to a lot of people who follow conversations about gender and feminism on blogs, in faculty meetings, or anyplace where there is a large number if not a supermajority of antifeminsts. Incidentally, it also illustrates exactly why the "binders" comment resonated with a lot of educated and politically informed women–starting with the fact that there is only one woman at the table. From this morning's "Morning Joe," with Mika Brzezinski and Joe Scarborough:
Brzezinski opens the segment announcing that she wants to talk about the "binders full of women" comment, and how it's actually untrue that Romney solicited the binders when they were apparently provided to both campaigns by an advocacy group for women in public service.
Mark Halperin immediately demurs, suggesting that this is just a dumb "gotcha" issue and wishes instead for a "spirited debate in this campaign about which of these candidates would do more for all Americans, including women," instead of a trivial comment from a live debate. In other words, women's issues aren't universal, they're particular if not trivial, and they're not what a great campaign or political conversation should focus on.
Brzezinski then defends her position and explains that Romney misrepresented how the binders came into his possession.
Joe Scarborough then says this is "a ridiculous, ridiculous" argument for Democrats to make, and says that it's a sign of desperation on their part. He then trivializes Brzezinksi's concern, reassuring her that it's only "your concern, that's not the concern of a waitress who's trying to keep her two jobs in Youngstown, Ohio." In other words, shut up you privileged, bourgeois feminist! Your bourgeois feminism doesn't speak to working class women's concerns, when clearly Mitt Romney's policies do!
Willie Geist neither joins with the boys nor sides with Brzezinski, but rather points out that it wasn't probably smart politics for Romney to invoke flex time so that women could go home and make dinner for their families. (Actually, this is a very good point.)
Joe Scarborough then ignores the entire premise of the segment and accuses Democrats of wanting women to be "hyper-obsessed with abortion." (Actually, Brzezinki is trying to talk about jobs and pay equity, not abortion. But at least no one argues with us when we point out that abortion is in fact a legitimate women's issue!) He then trivializes Brzezinski by saying how much he loves her and then proposes that the show be called "Morning Mika" instead, mocking her efforts to initiate a discussion of a legitimate news item. (Dismissive and patronizing! That's our Joe!)
Brzezinski continues to press the larger point, trying to pin down Romney on the Lily Ledbetter Act, equal pay for equal work, and the economy. Halperin then says he's up for a discussion about the economy, just not one about the trivial "gotcha" issue that is "something that doesn't matter as much as a lot of other things."
Scarborough then complains that all the mainstream media want to talk about with respect to women is "abortion," and invokes a working-class woman again to justify his point.
The conversation continues in which the men argue with Brzezinzki about having to talk about this meaningless issue that only interests bourgeois feminists. They agree that what Romney did is just what corporate titans do–they ask people for binders full of information whenever they need to make decisions, and it's unfair to criticize Romney for this because "it's not right for the country" (in the words of Halperin).
In the end, though, Scarborough reveals that "e-mails are flooding in ten to one on this issue" in favor of Brzezinki's point of view. A producer goes on camera to read one that he thinks sums up the sense of 90% of the e-mails: "back off, Morning Joe boys, Mika's point is relevant." And all of the boys laugh, but then they complain yet again that they've "been talking about binders for 20 minutes." Actually, no: they've been talking about how pointless it is to talk about something that Brzezinski wants to discuss on behalf of many women voters, and they've come to an almost unanimous conclusion against their own viewership that they are right and that they shouldn't have to take this issue seriously at all.
I kept wondering what the discussion would have sounded like if there were just one or two other women on the roundtable besides Brzezinski–not that they all would have agreed with her, but I doubt that the whole conversation would have been about her choice of subject matter and its relevance to this election. But of course, unless there are other women, it will be easy (and clearly fun) for the MJ boys to mock and patronize Brzezinski, with her silly little "women's issues."
Someone needs to start the "binders full of asshats" tumblr feed.
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39 thoughts on "Binders full of women"
Indyanna
Good N.B. above, Historiann. If Bain, et. al., weren't such testosterone hot shops, Romney might have been able to go with the more professional–if still somewhat formulaic–office metaphor of "immediately went to my Rolodex, and realized that there were easily a dozen people who could serve, and who could refer to me other appropriate candidates for these positions…" That *is* certainly an artful piece of subject-changing that makes the proferred subject itself the subject of the conversation, rather than what it involves and refers to. The other meme that seems to be going around is whether or not these two strutting roosters circling each other on the stage were not undercutting their own supposed cultural sensitivities, etc., which takes us back, full circle, to the awkward question of 2008.
Nicoleandmaggie
Wow, that was painful to watch. And you are absolutely right in your analysis. Where do I send fan mail to Brzezinski?
Nicoleandmaggie–you can send her e-mail here.
You can also contact "Morning Joe" here. I may write to them and tell them they should have both of you on the show to discuss women and the economy with Mika!
p.s. those of you on Twitter can also follow her there. There was a funny and righteous part of the video above towards the end in which Cher (THE Cher) tweets that she's digging Mika's points, so Mika decides to follow Cher too.
hyunjee
I didn't see this exchange, though I do toggle back and forth between MSNBC and CNN at the gym. What I did see was Soledad O'Brien on CNN asking her roundtable of men whether too much was being made of the "binders full of women" remark and one of them – Will Cain – dismissed it as trivial. Either he is too literal-minded to understand that "binders full of women" isn't just about "binders full of women" or he is of the same sexist mindset as Romney. I'm glad to see this post.
koshembos
Sure, Democrats aren't any better. And sure, Obama won the 2008 primaries due to discrimination against Hillary. We are all paying for it dearly.
The journalistic class bottom feeds on garbage and has not enough refinement to deal with social/political issues on any level acceptable to humans.
"Binders full of women," as a phrase, offends any person who thinks that we all are equal. Romney, as god, just picks an arbitrary woman from the binder and elevates her to a better place. Just go away. Just go away. And if you can take Obama with you, I'll be delighted.
LadyProf
The most mindblowing aspect of Romney's performance, I thought, was how much effort and rehearsal went into it. All the media were casting this debate as being about women. Obama new it. Romney must have known it. And this was Romney's best game. This is what he says after focusing heavily on a key cohort of voters.
Maybe Binders Full of Women was a trivial slip of the tongue, but couldn't Willard have rehearsed a couple of talking points? Even a simple-minded spiel about how what women need, above all, is a healthy economy would have been cogent. He couldn't or wouldn't do it.
Dr. Crazy
FWIW, I think the problem with the "binders full of women" thing for working class women is that nobody solicits binders full of anything for working-class, or even most middle-class, jobs, nor do advocacy groups provide such binders on those women's behalves. "Binders full of women" leaves most women out of the jobs/economy conversation – basically assuming that "most women" aren't really "part" of the conversation or care about these issues. You know, because our first priority is/should be cooking dinner for our families.
Fanmail sent! I used the morning Joe link because I think it's so important for women to be seen getting credit.
I think Dr. Crazy is right about the "binders" comment. Romney's notional view of women and work is of white-or pink-collar workers who are mothers, but this is not the Alpha and Omega of issues pertaining to working women. It would have been terrific if the boyz at MSNBC had discussed this with Brzezinski, because it's clearly not bourgeois feminists who are trying to narrow the range of issues pertaining to working women in this campaign, it's Romney himself whose vision is too narrow. (And remember, his "binders" comment was a non-answer dodge to a question as to pay equity for women.)
What, BTW, is so politically risky about supporting equal pay for equal work? I thought even conservatives supported basic fairness, but perhaps I am wrong.
H'Ann – The MARKET should decide! Fairness will happen by magic! It's not government's JOB to promote equality! Or diversity!
And this gets to the larger point you make in your post about the fact that the Dems aren't much better on "the woman question" than the Republicans are: those shaping the conversation on both sides ultimately believe (and I think they really do believe it) that women have "come such a long way, baby" that issues of equity and fairness in terms of job/pay/money have already been settled. Of course, they aren't taking home the 77 cents on the dollar.
Yeah, and they don't want to hear about it from Mika Brzezinski that women aren't there yet. Of course, they wouldn't hear it from a non-college educated blue collar worker, either, but they're not inviting them to sit next to them on their morning shows and decorate the set.
I know that sounds demeaning to her, but hang on and let me explain. (I don't mean that as a criticism of Brzezinski, but rather as a criticism of the role she plays on the show as the lone woman.)
Upon the recommendation of a former student who said that the book reminded her of me, I read Mika Brzezinski's book last year, Knowing Your Value. It was a little fluffy, as you might expect, but I thought she made good points and gave women good advice (based on her own mistakes, and interviews with successful women) as to how to get a raise and get paid what you're worth. So although it's not like a book by a political scientist or an economist, pay equity and women's work is something she has been thinking about and researching for a long time.
In any case, one of my favorite parts is when she talks openly about what it takes her as a 40-something woman to get herself camera ready by 5 or 6 in the morning every weekday: the hair care (cuts, color, maintenance), the workouts, the makeup, the clothing, all of which she pays for herself! She does all of this to get ready for work, and then she sees the guys roll in unshowered (and sometimes unshaved) in their polarfleece pullovers 10 minutes before air time, but that's OK for them because they're guys. She knows that she won't keep her job long if she shows up just as informally and ungroomed as the men, but by capitulating to the teevee's different demands for women's appearance, she can then be trivialized by the men and demeaned as just another rich-lady privileged bourgeois feminist.
I was really struck by some of the language Romney used. Not only the "binders" comment, but the basic implication that women get hired after everyone else, you include them because you kind of have to, and even then they are the ones most concerned with getting home from work in time to feed their children. And this doesn't even account for those single moms out there, who are also responsible for kids who grow up and go on killing sprees with their automatic weapons.
It isn't that I don't think he believes all this, because I think he does. It is that after all that coaching and debate prep, this is the best he could do.
That is some seriously impenetrable bubble he occupies.
Contingent Cassandra
Interestingly, Brzezinski is a graduate of a girls' high school, the Madeira School, located in the VA suburbs of D.C. While Madeira and similar institutions have their strengths and weaknesses, I suspect graduates of girls' high schools and women's colleges, especially if they are in even superficial contact with their alumnae organizations, are likely to be especially puzzled by the idea that it's necessary to search high and low to find qualified women for any job. It's hard to believe that Romney (and, yes, plenty of Democratic candidates as well) couldn't tap into such old girls' networks if he/they chose. There are limitations to such networks, of course (they still tend to consist primarily, though not exclusively, of the privileged, and so, like old boys' networks, perpetuate privilege), but, for powerful men, a potential contact is often as close as the other side of the bed, or at least the Thanksgiving dinner table (although Wikipedia describes Ann Romney's alma mater, Kingswood, as a "finishing school," I'm seeing a several quite accomplished alumnae from the '60s on a list there, and more from the '70s and beyond, and I doubt the list is exhaustive).
Bravo! I very much like this quote: "Then shut up, Democrats, and stop acting like your party isn't the abusive boyfriend or husband warning women "It'll be worse for you if you dump me for the other guy!")"
But also this: "Joe Scarborough then says this is "a ridiculous, ridiculous" argument for Democrats to make, and says that it's a sign of desperation on their part. He then trivializes Brzezinksi's concern, reassuring her that it's only "your concern, that's not the concern of a waitress who's trying to keep her two jobs in Youngstown, Ohio." In other words, shut up you privileged, bourgeois feminist! Your bourgeois feminism doesn't speak to working class women's concerns, when clearly Mitt Romney's policies do!"
This is a similar argument to what many mainstream (white, middle aged, heterosexual males) journalists are saying in Australia about sexism and misogyny, and the Julia Gillard controversy – Labor is apparently only concerned with saving their own skin and not worried about 'real sexism' (which only occurs overseas in places like Afghanistan). I was wondering whether you had been following this story from down under? Any thoughts?
She knows that she won't keep her job long if she shows up just as informally and ungroomed as the men, but by capitulating to the teevee's different demands for women's appearance, she can then be trivialized by the men and demeaned as just another rich-lady privileged bourgeois feminist.
Cf. country music. Shania Twain and Faith Hill still get attacked for makeup and glamour-shots poses. Not real country! If they skipped the glam + airbrushing as Willie Nelson and Toby Keith do, they couldn't sing in a Nashville bar, let alone be signed by a label.
Heh. I'd love to see a female Willie Nelson analog who was adored, revered, and sought after by much younger men! But of course, I never will in my lifetime.
Evan, thanks for commenting. I have been following a bit of the Gillard controversy, but I don't know enough to have an informed opinion. (I assume you're referring to the Slipper scandal, the speaker's resignation, and Gillard's "misogyny" speech against Tony Abbott earlier this month?) I'd love to hear your take.
Ok, here's my take on the Gillard/sexism controversy:
Gillard's speech was very good. Her listing of Abbott's sexist comments was very careful and well argued. It was a good reminder that Abbott has routinely made sexist (and racist) comments in the past. A list of quotes by Abbott can be found here: http://whatistherundude.wordpress.com/2012/08/23/16-quotes-from-tony-abbott-to-remind-you-why-he-shouldnt-be-prime-minister/
Also the organisation GetUp! (Australian equivalent of the US org MoveOn! I think) ran an ad during the last election making the same point: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pJTX0iWYX9A
I think Gillard was genuinely fired up by Abbott's new-found concern about sexism and 'nastiness' (after one of his shock-jock supporters was criticised widely a week before for his remarks regarding Gillard) and Abbott feigning his support of women, which was in contrast with this earlier statements. The wider parliamentary debate around Peter Slipper was not important for that 15 minutes.
That said, Gillard's support of Slipper, and many of Labor's policies, are cynical and are attempts to control the 'centre'. Labor under Gillard has tried some moderately progressive things, which have pissed off the Liberals (our version of the Conservatives – not small 'l' liberals at all), but the party has also wallowed in centre-right populism, just like New Labour in the UK.
Gillard's speech touched upon the wider issues of sexism and misogyny in Australian society, and I think this inspired a lot of women who have been told that sexism is a feminist invention and that sexism only exists in other places. But the likelihood of this rhetoric translating into policy is another thing entirely, and I'm pessimistic about it.
In the aftermath of this, we have had many commentators arguing about the dictionary definition of 'misogyny' (which is apparently 'the hatred of women') and arguing that this is the definition we have to use. There is no regard for the fact that words change their meaning all the time and that words can mean different things for different people – but then again, most of these would hate this 'postmodern' idea. Using the dictionary definition to bolster your argument seems like such a first-year student thing to do – it's like quoting wikipedia!
However, if everyone gets caught up in squabbling over the definition of misogyny and detaing whether Abbott is a misogyny, as someone put it (I forget who), then it implies that it is OK for him to be just a sexist.
What I thought was interesting in the exchange is that for whatever reason, Obama was prepared, and talked not just about Lily Ledbetter, but economic justice issues for working women, not just the governor's chief of staff. After all, she's probably NOT relying on Planned Parenthood for her mammogram. It probably makes a difference not only that he has daughters but that in spite of his basketball buddies, his inner circle also includes a few very powerful women.
I watched the debate and my facebook feed more or less simultaneously, and the first "binder" image showed up within ten minutes. And in the conversations, people were at least as offended about the "going home to cook dinner" comment as the binders. And the dinner thing was this "Here's a personal solution to a social problem" thing….
Ebonya Washington published a paper in a top economics journal showing that politicians with daughters are more likely to vote for women's issues.
For me it was thrilling to see the binders meme take off. As we have often discussed here, the media's and the politician's unwillingness to discuss women's issues seriously has long been a feature of US politics. The strange ways that women's issues have blasted into this election cycle has been interesting (how suddenly everyone was outraged that Republicans are skeptical about women's claims of rape, for example, even though they've been saying crap like that for years), but what I loved here was as @Susan said, the meme popped up *immediately*, and then there was a tumblr, and did you guys see how the meme went viral on amazon.com (have you ever seen those moments when people take over amazon reviews in amazing ways?)? I mean, the tumblr is brilliant, and there was Feminist Ryan Gosling, and Texts from Hillary and other memes showing up to participate in the Binders Meme. A binder full of awesome. Suddenly it was everywhere, and a moment that media may or may not have been talking about the next day was suddenly a force that everyone picked up on. And so Morning Joe has to cover the issue, and no matter how condescendingly and stupidly they treated it, their *viewers* heard what Ms. Brzezinski was saying, and we're talking about . I was delighted to see social media providing a voice for those who are not usually heard. The binders comment provided fertile ground for creativity, but as @Susan and others have remarked, its main utility was to act as a starting off point for conversations about other things (equal pay, Romney's comment about cooking for your children, etc).
Where's my binder full of asshats, friends? Get going! It seems like Todd Akin & Paul Ryan are your #1 and #2 targets for binding this election season.
The boys on "Morning Joe" seem a little chastened this morning, although there still is only one woman at the table (Mika Brzezinski).
Wow, they really are chastened. And it looks like they're trying. If they keep on trying, that's a good thing! Mika Brzezinski comes across as mature, thoughtful, and poised. Very admirable.
And yes, that is a lot of white men (and one woman).
Tenured Radical
Need I say that "binders full of women" is reading entirely differently in the trans community?
But that said — I pointed out to a (white, male) colleague that what Romney had described was affirmative action as we used to practice it, and I wonder if the GOP — which has vilified such practices as "quotas" understood that. Have an overly male, overly white candidate pool? I said; go out and recruit talented women and people of color into it and see if you can diversify the pool and increase your chances of a more diverse hire. I explained that I always did that when I hired, and had been able to hire terrific young scholars who were women and/or of color.
This colleague responded (I am not f%#king kidding): "But then if you make that hire you have to lower your standards, and it's just a disaster when you can't award tenure to that person."
Gobsmacked. But not so much that I did not say: "I have never had that problem. Ever." Which is true.
#bindersfullofasshats? See above.
@nicoleandmaggie, that rings true to me — when Obama talks about his hopes for his daughters, it's real. Back in the day the president of my university was chastened during the Clarence Thomas hearings when his daughter told him about being harassed on the job: soon we had a task force to revise our policy. Daughters (and granddaughters) matter to men in power.
Wow, TR: that is some asshattery in your department! Because a different pool of job finalists necessarily means "lowering your standards." Idiot.
Daughters and granddaughters are important, but it's discouraging to realize how hampered are politicians' imagination that a problem or issue is only real to them if it's in their families. (This is like the lone Republican congressman or senator who supports federal support for a particular disease or condition mostly because someone in his family has this disease or condition, a la Jim Jeffords. Is it really OK for the rest of them not to support funding a program because they don't know anyone affected by said condition?)
@TR
My department has had huge success hiring high quality women and minorities. (We're almost all women and minority assistants and associates, in fact.) How do we do it? Well, we recruit widely and we pretty much just use rubrics to hire advanced assistants and new associates. We initially cut the pool by number of publications in a specific tier of journals. We look through the rest and rate on specific things in a grid using numbers. Then we compare people at the top with numbers that are above a certain threshhold. Then we double check all the women and minorities. We're also good about policing potentially sexist and racist language and we almost completely ignore letters of recommendation.
We don't assume that the woman or minority is the trailing spouse. And we end up with really strong final candidates even though our teaching load is a bit higher than average and we're in the middle of nowhere. And then they accept the job. (Turns out hubby or partner is willing to be a trailing spouse and single women actually will take jobs in the middle of nowhere.)
I hear people (in other departments) say, "You can't hire good women and minorities because they're too hard to get." But their only experience is trying to hire a shooting star woman or minority who is going to end up at a top 5 program. If the same person were a white man, our school wouldn't even be trying because we know it would be a waste of time. But places aren't willing to look at women who are objectively equivalent to the men they hire. Women (and minorities) have to be much much better, but women who are that much better go elsewhere. So we end up with folks who are higher quality than the men we could attract, just by using objective statistics. (Even though in our non-blind field, those objective statistics are already biased against women and minorities. Meaning their intrinsic quality is even higher just to get the same statistics. Even if the recommendation letters that are supposed to measure intrinsic quality are generally useless.)
p.s. to Evan: your comment got held up in my SPAM filter. Thanks for your insider's views on Gillard, Slipper, & Abbott.
When I searched google for an update on what's going on down your way last night, the first story to pop up was a story about how the most prominent dictionary of Australian English (Macquarie) is going to change its definition of misogyny to "entrenched prejudice against women" rather than "hatred of women."
This only makes sense, because all misogynists can point to a family member and say, "I don't hate women! I've got a wife/sister/mother/daughter whom I love!" So while I understand your point about the cynical manipulation of feminism for Gillard's ends–a point of view I share when it comes to Democratic manipulations of feminist ideas for the purposes of harvesting votes rather than implementing real change–at least you got a new dictionary definition for misogyny!
cgeye
But of course, the price for said chastisement on Morning Joe is starting a bitch-fight between Mme. Secretary Clinton and Those 'whiny' Other Gals, over her quotes in the Marie Claire (i.e. Bitch Fight Internationale) over Women Having It All.
*le sigh*
One step forward, 40 yards back….
I don't object to the discussion of Clinton's comments in Marie-Claire. Anne-Marie Slaughter's article in the Atlantic last summer was already discussed a lot. And, in the main, I agree with Clinton: educated women and men in the U.S. have choices to make about their lives. No one gets as much of what they want in every aspect of life all of the time. Women like Clinton and Slaughter can disagree about stuff–I don't believe that it was portrayed as a "catfight," although the MJ crew apparently enjoyed the frisson of Slaughter's article having been inspired by resigning from a big appointment in the State Department.
"Daughters (and granddaughters) matter to men in power."
Not really. A few – and I emphasize a few – men in power think their own girl-children's lives matter beyond procreation.
But that's about that.
I agree, H'ann, it's pretty feeble that it matters that the president has daughters. The disease thing drives me nuts — it completely gets in the way of a sane medical research policy.
It's true, as gayle notes, that not all men change their minds. But I was in one of the early classes of women at a formerly all male university, and it was really clear that one thing that changed the dynamic for many men who had hoped it would always have just men was the idea of daughters and grand-daughters attending. So I do think that people's experience changes their ideas. One would like to think that empathic imagination was more powerful than it is, but I'll take experience.
Just a reminder that Mika has been dealing with Joe's fuckebaggiosity for years:
http://freethoughtblogs.com/physioprof/2008/01/30/mika-brzezinski-kicks-morning-joes-lame-wingnut-ass/
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Some background: Mika wrote a book on pay equality and actually credits Joe with helping her in her negotiations with the network. She still is paid much less than Joe for cohosting.
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149 км — остановочный пункт ВСЖД на Кругобайкальской железной дороге в Култукском муниципальном образовании Слюдянского района Иркутской области.

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Находится в 17 км к северо-востоку от станции Слюдянка I в посёлке Ангасольская. Названа по своему расстоянию от станции Иркутск-Сортировочный.

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 В 1905 году в эксплуатацию была введена ветка Кругобайкальской железной дороги от станции Байкал до станции Слюдянка II, платформа получила связь с городом Слюдянка.
 В 1956 году ветка Байкал — Иркутск была выведена из эксплуатации, платформа стала находиться на тупиковой ветке Байкал — Слюдянка.
 По состоянию на 2015 год по Кругобайкальской железной дороге несколько раз в неделю курсируют пассажирские поезда, систематически осуществляется пропуск экскурсионных поездов.

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Bioactive molecules in berries may be helpful in reducing the risk of oral diseases. The aim of this study was to determine the effect of bilberry consumption on the outcome of a routine dental clinical parameter of inflammation, bleeding on probing (BOP), as well as the impact on selected biomarkers of inflammation, such as cytokines, in gingival crevicular fluid (GCF) in individuals with gingivitis. Study individuals who did not receive standard of care treatment were allocated to either a placebo group or to groups that consumed either 250 or 500 g bilberries daily over seven days. The placebo group consumed an inactive product (starch). A study group, receiving standard of care (debridement only) was also included to provide a reference to standard of care treatment outcome. Cytokine levels were assayed using the Luminex MagPix system. The mean reduction in BOP before and after consumption of test product over 1 week was 41% and 59% in the groups that consumed either 250 or 500 g of bilberries/day respectively, and was 31% in the placebo group, and 58% in the standard of care reference group. The analysis only showed a significantreduction in cytokine levels in the group that consumed 500 g of bilberries/day. A statistically significant reduction was observed for IL-1β (p = 0.025), IL-6 (p = 0.012) and VEGF (p = 0.017) in GCF samples in the group that consumed 500 g of bilberries daily. It appears that berry intake has an ameliorating effect on some markers of gingival inflammation reducing gingivitis to a similar extent compared to standard of care. © 2015 by the authors; licensee MDPI, Basel, Switzerland.


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      end

      alias :to_s :string
    end
  end
end

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Mikhail Tal had just become the world chess champion and had led the Soviet team to another Olympic gold medal. He himself was in excellent form, and on the way to an individual gold medal for the best score on board one. All that was left was the final round game against a mere international master, the English player Jonathan Penrose. As one might expect from a world champion vs. IM battle, it was a crush. What's surprising is that the "crushee" was Tal.
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Gerald Anderson's Mother to Bea Alonzo: "I never liked you as a girlfriend for my son"
Gerald Anderson's mother speaks out in defense of his son about his controversial relationship status.
She admits that she never approved of Bea Alonzo as her son's girlfriend.
Bea Alonzo also admitted to Gerald Anderson 'ghosting' her after years of being in a relationship.
Gerald Anderson's mom, Evangeline Opsima defended her son amidst the controversy surrounding his relationship with apparent ex-girlfriend Bea Alonzo, and one-time co-star Julia Barretto.
Via Cosmo PH
In an interview with ABS-CBN, Opisma opened up that she felt bad for her son, calling Alonzo out for "always saying something about my son." She even commented that, even from the very beginning, she never approved of her as Anderson's girlfriend.
"Bea, I guess you know I never liked you as a girlfriend for my son. But I could not do anything because my son likes you. I am just his mother. My son liked you, Gerald loved you. He never disrespected you."
Back in July, the news about Alonzo and Anderson's split broke out, with speculations regarding Barretto's involvement bringing heated reactions from people. After having a short-lived relationship in 2019, Alonzo and Anderson rekindled their relationship in 2016. In 2018, rumors surfaced that the two had called it quits. But last October, Alonzo confirmed that she has given Anderson a second chance.
via The Philippine Star
When Alonzo opened up about her strained relationship with Anderson, she mentioned that he had ghosted her after being in a relationship for several years. She clarified her relationship status in a video a popular TV show called Tonight With Boy Abunda's Instagram video.
Natanong ang aktres kanina sa story conference ng bago nitong proyekto with Richard Gutierrez and other Kapamilya actors! Bea Alonzo: Honestly, to my understanding, we did not break up. He just started not talking to me.
A post shared by Tonight With Boy Abunda (@twbaofficial) on Jul 25, 2019 at 10:28pm PDT
In the video, she also mentioned that the support of her friends have been one of the major things that is helping her to move forward with the break-up.
"It means a lot to me that my friends are there. There are a lot of people who care for me. I'm surprised actually that there are a lot of people who send flowers, a lot of people who are texting. It means a lot to me."
Via PhilNews.ph
In a previous interview, Anderson stated that Barretto did not play a part in his breakup with Alonzo. Barretto, meanwhile, defended herself by saying that Anderson never courted her.
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7:20 am – 5:00 pm as the schedule sits now, during the day I roam through the athletic periods. If there are no after school events I try and leave at or a little after 5:00 pm. With one lunch period now, I will be in the training room during the lunch period and high encourage athletes with injuries to come in during that time. On "B" days, I may not always be in at 7:20 am, please check with me in regards to morning treatments on "B" days.
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The opening of training camp for the 2018-19 season is almost upon us and, aside from a new deal for Noah Hanifin and perhaps some minor moves here and there, it appears that the Calgary Flames are set for the upcoming year.
But just over the horizon looms something that's definitely impacting the Flames' decision-making over the next season or two: the addition of the Seattle Grinders (or whatever they'll end up being called) as the National Hockey League's 32nd team. It may be a couple seasons away – the current plans for Key Arena's renovation pegs Seattle's addition in time for the 2020-21 campaign – but it's worth thinking about how the upcoming expansion process could impact the Flames.
All indications from commissioner Gary Bettman and deputy Bill Daly are that the Seattle group will be given the same expansion rules as the Vegas Golden Knights received in 2017 – despite the handwringing from other teams, Seattle's paying $650 million for a team so they'll get the same advantages.
Teams can protect either (a) seven forwards, three defensemen and a goalie or (b) eight skaters and one goalie.
All first- and second-year professionals, as well as all unsigned draft choices, will be exempt from selection (and will not be counted toward their club's applicable protection limits) – as in, if the 2019-20 season was their first or second pro season, they're exempt. An important distinction is that "slide" years spent in the pros count as pro seasons – Emile Poirier was available in the 2017 expansion draft despite having used only two entry-level years because he had played three pro seasons (the first season was a "slide" year).
One defensemen who is under contract for 2020-21 and played 40+ NHL games in 2019-20 (or played 70+ games in 2018-20).
Two forwards who are under contract for 2020-21 and played 40+ NHL games in 2019-20 (or played 70+ games in 2018-20).
One goalie who is under contract for 2020-21 or will be a restricted free agent following the 2020-21 season (he must be qualified prior to the submission of the protected lists).
Back in 2017, the Flames opted to protect seven fowards (Mikael Backlund, Sam Bennett, Micheal Ferland, Michael Frolik, Johnny Gaudreau, Curtis Lazar and Sean Monahan), three defensemen (TJ Brodie, Mark Giordano and Dougie Hamilton) and goalie Mike Smith.
To meet their experience requirements, they exposed defenseman Matt Bartkowski, forwards Troy Brouwer and Matt Stajan, and goaltender Tom McCollum. They also exposed forwards Brandon Bollig, Lance Bouma, Alex Chiasson, Freddie Hamilton, Emile Poirier, Hunter Shinkaruk, Kris Versteeg and Linden Vey, defensemen Ryan Culkin, Deryk Engelland, Michael Kostka, Brett Kulak, Ladislav Smid, Michael Stone, Dennis Wideman and Tyler Wotherspoon, and goalie Brian Elliott.
Vegas ended up selecting pending unrestricted free agent Engelland.
Let's assume two things: (1) Seattle joins the NHL via a 2020 expansion draft with identical rules to Vegas' entry, and (2) the Flames sign Hanifin and Matthew Tkachuk to long-term deals that include the 2020-21 season.
At forward, the obvious locks for protection spots are Gaudreau, Monahan, Backlund, Tkachuk and Elias Lindholm. With both players deep into their 30s (and the third year of their contracts), one or both of James Neal and Derek Ryan could be candidates for exposure (and would help the Flames meet the exposure requirements). That would allow the Flames to potentially protect one or two of Mark Jankowski, Austin Czarnik, Sam Bennett, or any number of minor leaguers that could push their way onto the NHL roster in the interim.
On the blueline, the Flames have lots of flexibility with Hanifin and Giordano under contract and Brodie, Stone and Travis Hamonic as pending UFAs. They could potentially expose Giordano heading into the final year of his contract and hope that his cap hit (and age) could scare the Grinders away, while protecting some of their younger assets – such as Rasmus Andersson or Oliver Kylington. There's a possibility they might need to sign a depth player (ala Bartkowski in 2016-17) to meet their exposure requirements.
In goal, the Flames have no goaltenders under contract for 2020-21. They could potentially qualify pending RFAs Jon Gillies and Tyler Parsons, then protect whichever one they prefer to keep. The other RFA would meet their exposure requirements.
Not eligible for expansion selection, due to having completed two pro seasons by the expansion draft, are Juuso Valimaki, Dillon Dube, Glenn Gawdin, Nick Schneider and Matthew Phillips.
But what if Seattle starts in 2021 instead?
If there's a lockout in 2020-21 or the Key Arena renovations aren't completed until the following season – creating a 2021 expansion draft – the Flames have some additional challenges, primarily that they'd need to potentially protect Valimaki and Dube. That said, they would retain much of their existing roster flexibility in all three categories. They have just six players under contracts for 2021-22: Gaudreau, Monahan, Neal, Backlund, Lindholm and Giordano.
Needless to say, there are a lot of decisions that need to be made going forward and a lot of things that the expansion process touches upon. The NHL's Board of Governors meet in September and December, and given the necessity for timeline clarity, expect definitive expansion news within the next few months.
Fantastic article. It still seems far away enough that there are a bunch of unknowns and potential roster changes in the meantime but it's obviously important that they start to manage with Seattle in mind.
CHIARELLI is by far the best GM at managing the expansion draft: when he came to the Oilers he was saddled with 10 years of first overall picks, but he made all the necessary moves to only lose a non NHL player (Reinhardt).
The upcoming Seattle expansion draft will be no different; he will have strategically put the Oilers in a position where they don't lose a NHL player.
Don't you have to actually have enough NHL players to expose in the first place? That's Chiarelli's secret.
Derek Ryan is from the Seattle area.
He will have one year left on his contract.
Like Engelland except Ryan will be under contract.
Ryan is from Spokane. Saying he's from the Seattle area is like saying someone from Whitecourt is from the Calgary area. It's about the same distance away.
making Any decision about this year's roster because something might happen in two or three years is a very bad idea. There are far too many variables.
BT is that kind of GM though. Always in mind of the future while dealing with the present.
Hey Fall, you up for the game Calgary vs Vancouver February 9, 2019?
Stockton's Finest will be there, as well as myself and my step son. It would be great to have a brew with you!
That extends to you as well WW, if you care to travel? I hope you're not allergic to Vancouver?
Hey ya, I'm in for the Feb game. Good plan.
Hopefully lower bowl around 102 or 103, if that works for everyone.
Would like to get together before the game and grab a few drinks prior to the game. As long as it is Canadian beer and hopefully local. ??
Perhaps, but I wouldn't oversell that premise. I mean, you can logically extend that into absurdity.
Future consequences should factor into any decision. Obviously it's an exercise in balancing.
Agree completely. As far as only a few more minor moves, goaltending has not been addressed. You know Smith is going to get injured and the backups we have now just can't cut it. Tre has to be trying to make a deal with someone.
I agree that goaltending is probably the biggest area of risk but don't hold your breath for a goaltending move. I think Tre will wait and see how things play out in pre-season and the first 15-20 of regular. If Gillies or Rittich look like they have taken a step forward he will do nothing. If Andersson looks NHL ready he might try to deal Brodie for a goalie but if the team is playing well I am not sure he would disrupt things. I don't see Stone getting enough of a return to upgrade the goaltending and he should be reluctant to deal away prospects. Being at the cap will make it a problem to upgrade the goaltending if we run in to trouble with Smitty.
The best case scenario is that we have a number of players who we don't want to lose.
The name Seattle Grinders make me think of lap dancing.
Ice article it's like you took the words right out of my mouth ….. or off my post .. sweet ?
Figures, I'm going camping and now it's raining here. Dry as a popcorn fart for 2 months, and now the tap is on.
Oh well, it's perfect for the forest fires, so I shouldn't be unhappy.
But for some reason, I'm not thrilled?
Predictability about the upcoming expansion draft is like the weather- expect the unexpected..or in my case, bring out the rain gear.
We should just expect to say goodbye to a good player but that's a good sign of a good team . We will survive .
So will they Soilers because they will have no threat of losing any actual NHL players …….Teeeeeheeeeee .
Why would you go camping on a Saturday night? Forecast says that Monday through Wednesday are clear and sunny.
Air quality improved by the rain at least you sun won't be red.
I'm excited to have a team in Seattle. It will be interesting being the same division as two recent expansion teams. Hopefully they're not stacked like Vegas was – maybe GMs will be actually smarter and not give away people like Reilly Smith, Jonathan Marchessault, or freaking William Karlsson.
I definitely think there will be fewer side deals this time. None of them really worked out last time (except maybe Anaheim steering Vegas away from Manson. I still can't believe they exposed him).
Florida was the stupidest. You can make a case for Columbus, but Florida takes the cake I think. I really hope they enjoyed that fourth-round pick.
No kidding. And it's not like Marchessault came out of nowhere like Karlsson did either; he was coming off a 30 goal season. As for Reilly Smith, he alternates between good and less-good seasons and was coming off 37 points. I won't say that the Panthers should have expected a 50+ point season… but I'm certainly thinking it loudly.
I dunno, I like that Vegas was uber competitive the first season, better than when Ottawa joined etc. Easier to hook a fan base with early success. Vegas will take a step back this season with key departures (neal, perron etc) but it's great that teams do not look at Vegas as a guaranteedtwo points. Keeps the league better balanced and competitive. I hope Seattle is offered the same rules and opportunities are presented as was for Vegas. I also hope when Hamilton and Quebec city join in 2022, that they are offered the same.
No I like it too. I'm glad they didn't change the rules, I just think GMs around the league will be less dumb this time. You can't see things like William Karlsson coming, but the Panthers shouldn't have been dumb enough to hand over both Marchessault and Smith for nothing, and for no reason whatsoever.
Seattle also isn't going to get a goalie like Fleury. Most likely.
Probably not, but will be interesting to see what a team like say the Leafs have to leave unprotected.
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Neither Quebec or Hamilton will get an expansion team. 32 is the ideal number of teams. Beyond that would really water down the league. They are however, ideal for relocations. Florida or Carolina for instance.
Carolina already moved half their team to Calgary.
Let me give you some help BTF (you're welcome). First, find out how many players are on an NHL roster. Next, do some research to find out how many ex-Carolina players are on the Flames roster. If you google 'math for dummies' read the section that covers subtraction. Once you figure that out, flip to the part that covers percentages. Next, why don't you get back to us and let us know what percentage of the roster is comprised of these Carolina players you speak. And, so you know, half equals 50% (you're welcome again).
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650 million is the ideal number!
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I am very happy that BT is not a NMC type of guy unlike feaster who handed them out like candy.
Darryl sitter handed out a few long term no trade clauses that hampered the Flames for years .
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Jobu's side news. Sources saying Hanafin is close to signing.
Jobu wondering if Tre is waiting to extend Tkachuk prior to Hanafin signing so he knows how much dollars to commit or are available.
Doubt it as Hanifin is going to be a way cheaper contract than Tkachuk.
But Tkachuk is a more important player for this franchise.
Yeah but Hanifin currently doesnt have a contract & training camp is looming. Tkachuk should be getting done but I would say priority is Hanifin & Hanifins cap hit wont impact what MT is going to get, which is why I said Hanifin will be much lower than MT. Kinda what was said that Chiarelli should have extended Draisaltl before McDavid. McDavid's deal inflated LD's deal. Right now Matt is way more valuable but Hanifin will be too, I see him & Valamaki as our top pairing in the not so distant future.
I actually don't know about that. If Tkachuk remains exactly what he is right now, the Flames could easily get by. But Hanifin? The Flames kind of need him to be a star going forward or they're screwed.
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Good article, but I think it's too early to worry/plan for an expansion draft for a team that doesn't exist yet.
Best thing Tre can do is avoid giving out NMC's or acquiring them.
I have to disagree. Future planning is done multiple years in advance…just look how much time and effort is required for cap management, depth charting, player development, drafting, etc. Knowing the draft parameters could also affect whether Valimaki is sent down to the Heat if it's a very close decision.
I agree with the future planning aspect, but you can't make plans for things that may or may not happen. Keep an eye on it, sure. But, if a guy like Valimaki is good enough to make the team, then you can't waste an entire year of his development in the minors because there MAY be an expansion draft in a few years. Especially if you consider him to have top pairing potential. So much can happen in two years. Trades, retirements, injuries. The draft is too far in the future to start "hiding" players.
I disagree too, looking to the future is something I value in a GM. The Valimaki situation is tricky, if he blows the doors down do you play him so you can contend or do you give him AHL experience to save him for later? For me it comes down to the player but some people may prefer to contend now, will he develop better by playing AHL or NHL right now?
An example I believe of Tre looking towards an expansion draft is signing James Neal without any NMC or NTC. He might paid a little extra because of it, but that is the kind of perspective I value.
Surely the NHL owners/governors are aware of what will or won't happen as far as Seattle goes?
Then you would expect that possibly BT knows exactly what to plan for as far as when an expansion draft will occur?
Or maybe you think FN will break the NHL expansion new to the NHL, and not the other way around?
If the arena is going to be ready to go for 2020-21, the expansion draft will happen in June 2020 regardless of whether there is a lockout.
There will be two possible scenarios for the start of the 2020-21 season, A) the season will start as usual at the beginning of October, or B) there will be a lockout/strike situation that delays the start of the season. The league has to be prepared for Scenario A even if they believe that Scenario B is the more likely outcome. Therefore , they will have to do the expansion draft in June 2020 to be prepared for a Scenario A situation or for the loss of only part of the season in Scenario B.
Completely off topic but would it take to get EK in a flames uniform ?
What about : Stone, Frolik, Kylington and Rittich for EK and Anderson.
This could solidify goaltending. Smith and Anderson could each play 40 games instead of wearing out Smith with 65+ starts. Not to mention our defence would be sick.
Why would they do that deal?!?
There's a better chance he's traded to my rec league team for a case of beer.
Like Otttawa would be asking for Johnny Gaudreau and a first rounder. And I wouldn't do that trade.
Karlsson plus Bobby Ryan for 2019 first plus Valimaki plus Janko……..
Yah; I don't think so…..
You do realize EK is a UFA at the end of this season.
Thats why EK hasnt been traded yet, Ottawa has lots of offers like what you packaged up but they want a future franchise player +++. If you are going to rent him, wait until the TDL where packages will start to look like what you are dishing up.
The Trade Central Panels may as well set up shop in Ottawa because thats where all the prime trade targets are going to be.
Thought I'd use this string to ask all the big brained hockey folks here and mean that in the best possible way, a Hockey pool question.
Part of my upcoming Hockey pool involves "Team Shutouts". Not goalie total, team total. It's worth 10 pts a shutout and if I don't get 80-110 points I know historically that neither I, nor any of the other 50-60 entries that don't do well in shut outs, will be in the money. I always like to track about 3-4 years of team history. Nothing however is a sure bet. Last year the 3 best longer term shutout teams from the previous 3 years all laid eggs at just 4-5 each.
Mean while Rinnie in Nashville went off the board and with no history of high shut out totals the team ends up with a league leading 11! That may be a surprise to some but Nashville with their vaunted D doesn't have a strong Shut out history.
Tampa (8)and Vasilvsky had a good year as did the Jets (7) and Hellebuyck but again no solid history of lots of shut outs with either or those teams.
LA w/Quick had been a solid pick for 3 years prior to last year when Quick was injured. Anaheim has a good track record and Gibson also only had about 5. Washington and Hotlby are 3rd but seem to have big years then average years.
If you're picking a team for shut out this year who would it be? Why? I do want the opinions!
My picks would be Minnesota and Anaheim. Dubnyk and Gibson are both excellent, and their teams have a strong history of shutting the door once they're in the lead.
Hey everyone, I've been a member of FN for a long time but contribute rarely, mostly just a spectator. Just wanted to let everyone here know that for the community and commentary is really great, informed, quite funny, and the trash talking is at least civilized. I just wanted to say this because I recently decided to read some sportsnet and tsn articles on the Flames…and man is the community that comments on those bad. It's basically all incendiary trolling and uninformed Don Cherry style analysis.
You nailed it bang on. The only commenting being done over there is insults to each other and their teams. just a massive group of morons.
Totally! This community is well-informed and (mostly) civilized. I don't go anywhere else for Flames talk now. Good to have you here!
Actually, TSN shut down comments on their stories a couple of years ago because of that type of stuff. It's SN where they all hang out trying to beat each other in a game of wits where both sides are unarmed.
My mistake, I was referring to SN and other mainstream outlets that allow comments.
Who do you think you are to call us civilized? The nerve of some people!
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