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Camp Brosig
1893 Trenckmann Rd.
Camporee is a weekend campout for troops. Individual patrols will compete in various competitions and are judged on leadership, teamwork, skill demonstration, and Scout spirit. Join us in a great Scouting tradition to experience the camporee. Camporee may include activities such as the spider web, knot bar, tomahawk throwing, lashing a seven-knot tripod, fire building, first aid, an orienteering course, Dutch oven cooking, and more.
There will also an Order of the Arrow call-out ceremony and closing campfire Saturday evening.
Troops are responsible for their own food, medical forms/first aid, and camporee roster.
This year the camporee will be held at the same location as Webelos Woods. The Webelos Scouts will be camping adjacent to the district camporee. This will allow the Webelos Scouts to observe the troops and see the troops in action. The Webelos Scouts will be participating in their own rank-appropriate activities.
Registration is a two-step process. Registration is completed by the unit leadership.
Part 1: RSVP: Every unit needs to RSVP by February roundtable to let the event staff if you are attending. Estimated numbers are provided to the council so the district can reserve the appropriate number of campsites and program areas for the event.
Step 1: RSVP
Part 2: Payment: The registration fee is $11.50 for the first Scout and $10 for each additional Scout registered at the same time. Paid online with credit card or electronic check. Payment is due by April 1, 2023. The late registration fee is $20 and begins April 12, 2023. There is no onsite registration. Council refund policy.
Step 2: Payment (opens in February) Event Feedback
Every troop must send a representative to the March roundtable to help plan the camporee. This year's camporee promises to challenge the youth leadership, as well as stretching everyone else's comfort zones. These events cannot happen without each Scout's competitive spirit and participation.
Camp Brosig Leader's Guide
Personal (check with Scoutmaster):
Field uniform (Scout uniform) and belt
Activity uniform (Scout t-shirt)
Clothing appropriate for weather
Shoes (closed-toe) or hiking boots
Pajamas or sleeping clothes
Flashlight and extra batteries
Personal items (e.g., deodorant, comb, medications, toothpaste, toothbrush)
Water bottle (or canteen) and cup
Pocket knife and Totin' Chip
Sleeping bag, blankets, sheet
Cot or pad
Personal first aid kit
Mark all items with name and troop number.
Patrol:
Tents with ground cloth
Water containers for hauling water
Cooking gear and food: Saturday breakfast/dinner, non-cooking lunch; Sunday non-cooking breakfast
Duty roster and menu
Patrol flag
Items for campsite inspection
Wash soap for restrooms
BSA Annual Health and Medical Record
(part A&B for all Scouting events) for every participant (due at check-in)
Firewood, rakes and fire buckets; buckets and shovel to remove unused firewood
Don't Bring: valuables, electronics (e.g., iPad), fireworks, sheath or hunting knives, pets, hammocks, personal firearms and ammunition, jewelry, personal bows and arrows, fuel-burning hand warmers
Tentative Schedule
6:00 pm Troop arrival and check-in
9:00 pm Cracker Barrel for Scoutmaster and senior patrol leader (SPL) at fire ring
(bring chair, notetaking materials)
7:00 am Reveille
7:00 am Breakfast
7:15 am Event coordinator meeting at flagpole (Scoutmaster and senior patrol leader)
7:15 am Event setup by troops
7:15 am Order of the Arrow meeting
8:45 am Assembly at flagpole
9:00 am Opening ceremony and instructions
9:00 am Patrol competitions
12:30 pm Lunch
1:30 pm Patrol competitions
4:00 pm Competitions end
4:00 pm Sports / gaga ball / kickball / ultimate frisbee
4:00 pm Order of the Arrow and campfire team meeting
4:15 pm Webelos parents visit troops
5:00 pm Scoutmaster and SPL meeting at fire ring
6:00 pm Unit time / dinner and clean-up
7:30 pm Dutch oven competition dishes due
7:50 pm Assembly at flagpole
8:00 pm Shared desserts from dessert contest
8:15 pm Awards ceremony / campfire / Order of the Arrow call-out
9:00 pm Campfire cleanup
9:15 pm Scoutmaster and SPL cracker barrel
10:00 pm Lights out
7:30 am Breakfast / breakdown campsite
9:00 am Interfaith service
9:15 am Retire flags
9:30 am Troops depart after campsite inspection
10:00 am Last troop leaves
Interfaith Service
An interfaith service will be conducted for all participants on Sunday morning. An interfaith service is a brief worship or meditation, specifically designed for Scouting events where there may be members of more than one faith group. The intention of an interfaith service is to provide a spiritual focus during a camping experience that does not reflect the views of a particular denomination or faith. An interfaith service can be defined as a gathering of Scouts held to contribute to the development of their spirituality and to promote a fuller understanding of the Scout Oath and Law, with emphasis on one's Duty to God.
The Order of the Arrow (OA) is the national honor society of the Boy Scouts of America. The Order of the Arrow recognizes Scouts and Scouters who best exemplify the Scout Oath and Law in their daily lives. The Order of the Arrow provides encouragement for others to live these ideals as well. Arrowmen are known for maintaining camping traditions and spirit, promoting year-round and long-term resident camping, developing leaders, and providing cheerful service to others. OA service, activities, adventures, and training for youth and adults are models of quality leadership development and programming that enrich, support, and help to extend Scouting to America's youth.
Learn More About the OA
A cracker barrel is an evening snack and time for fellowship with other Scouts or Scouters. The term cracker barrel is most thought to come from the time when people would shop at their local general store and gather around the cracker barrel to sit and visit with others in the community, much like the modern-day water cooler. The food is typically kept simple, such as cheese and crackers, summer sausage, chips and cookies. On campouts, many troops have a Friday night cracker barrel with the leaders and youth leadership to review the weekend schedule.
A cracker barrel will be held on Friday night at 9:30 pm. The Scoutmaster and SPL is invited to a special cracker barrel where last-minute information and changes will be communicated. Please bring a cup and pen.
About Camp Brosig
Camp Brosig is a 92-acre property, located six miles north of Sealy, TX, in Austin County with 20 campsites. Camp Brosig is located at 1893 Trenckman Road, Sealy, TX 77474.
Camp Brosig Leader's Guide Maps
Directions: Take I-10 West from Houston to Sealy, TX, exit 720 (TX-36N/Meyer St). After exiting, turn left (north) at the traffic light on TX-36N. Proceed 5.1 miles until you pass the intersection with FM331. Another 0.6 miles past FM331 is Trenckmann (a blacktop road to the left - west). The road is difficult to see at night. Go 1.6 miles on Trenckmann Road to the Camp Brosig gate on the left (south). Turn in and drive to the top of the hill. Total drive time from Houston is approximately one to one and a half hours.
Late-Breaking Information
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Notice! Please be advised that promotional videotaping/photography may be in progress at any time at an event. Your entrance constitutes your agreement that the district has the right to reproduce your likeness in videography/photography for promotion (e.g., publications, internet, newspaper).
Scouting Safely
The BSA's Commitment to Safety is ongoing and we want you to know that the safety of our youth, volunteers, staff, and employees cannot be compromised. The Boy Scouts of America puts the utmost importance on the safe and healthy environments for its youth membership. The Sam Houston Area Council takes great strides to ensure the safety of its youth as well as the adult volunteer leadership that interacts with them.
BSA Guide to Safe Scouting policies must be followed. All participants must follow youth protection guidelines at all Scouting events. Highlights include:
Two-deep leadership on all outings is required.
One-on-one contact between adults and youth members is prohibited.
The buddy system should be used at all times.
Discipline must be constructive.
Health and safety must be integrated into everything we do, to the point that no injuries are acceptable beyond those that are readily treatable by Scout-rendered first aid. As an aid in the continuing effort to protect participants in Scout activities, the BSA National Health and Safety Committee and the Council Services Division of the BSA National Council has developed the SAFE Checklist of BSA safety procedures for physical activity. These points, which embody good judgment and common sense, are applicable to all activities.
Youth Protection Guidelines Guide to Safe Scouting SAFE Checklist Enterprise Risk Management
For questions, contact Sami Stagg.
Tellepsen Scout Camp
Camporee is a weekend campout for troops. Patrols compete in various competitions. Patrols are judged on leadership, teamwork, skill demonstration and Scout spirit. The 2021 theme is The Copperhead Highland Games to commemorate the legendary Scottish games. Events are a mixture of Scout-skill tests, teamwork challenges and physical contests. Emphasis is on fun, teamwork and sportsmanship.
Camporee will also incorporate a First Class Emphasis (FCE) program. All participating units must sponsor one event and one FCE section, and provide the necessary adults and materials required to run the game and FCE Section. Assignments are listed below.
Camporees are a chance to join in one of the oldest traditions in Scouting history – coming together as a district for Scouting competition. District gatherings provide an opportunity to match skills against others within our district. There will be fun, friendship, and fellowship. This guide is intended to help your unit prepare for the fun and excitement of this year's camporee.
The Scout Oath and Law will govern the behavior of all participants during this weekend. The principles of Leave No Trace should be practiced at all times. All events will be based on basic Scouting skills and concepts as taught and used in the Scout to First Class rank advancement section of the Scout Handbook. They will also include fun-type challenge events that will require effective communication, leadership, and teamwork to successfully complete. The Order of the Arrow will have an area set up for Arrowmen only.
Printable View Registration Program Schedule What to Bring Contacts
Registration is done by the troop leadership. The registration fee is $15 per Scout and $10 per adult. Registration is completed by the troop leadership online with credit card or electronic check. There is no onsite registration. Council refund policy.
This camporee is a reschedule of the canceled camporee (4/30/21-5/2/21). If previously registered for the April camporee, the unit needs to update their registration with revised registration numbers and to add shooting sports numbers. Scouts and Scouters can participate in shotgun shooting and climbing. The fee is $13 per participant.
Payment for new Registrations or Update Registration / Add Shooting Sports
To update registration numbers and add shooting sports, go to https://samhoustonbsa.doubleknot.com/signon/2563. (How to update a registration)
Obtain your User ID and Password by selecting the Need help Logging on? link.
Follow the prompts to obtain the password and logon to Doubleknot.
Logging on will bring you to the Summary tab showing your current registrations, reservations, and/or memberships.
Click on the desired action button to make a payment or view the details and update the registration. Please note that changes to a registration may be restricted after a certain date, so the update action may not appear.
Troops will need to email a roster of all attendees to Danny Reeves and turn in a copy of the BSA Annual Health and Medical Record (part A&B for all Scouting events) for every participant during check-in.
Tentative Activities
First Class Emphasis program
Patrol Competitions - Highland Games
Awards Campfire
Order of the Arrow Call-Out
Order of the Arrow Brotherhood Ceremony
Every troop needs to run a part of the camporee (e.g., competition, facilities). This year's camporee promises to challenge the youth leadership, as well as stretching everyone's comfort zones. These events cannot happen without each Scout's competitive spirit and participation. Interested volunteers should contact Danny Reeves at 281-450-5158 or dannyreeves38@gmail.com.
Copy of pre-event screening form
Mask for each participant
Rain gear (pants and jacket)
Portable chair or camp stool
Read the COVID-19 "At-Risk" Camp Participant Statement
Electricity is very limited.
Meals: Saturday breakfast, non-cooking sack lunches, Sunday non-cooking breakfast
Essential Patrol Items:
Activity map (received at check-in)
Ziplock bag for map
Scout Handbook
Energy snacks (for both morning and afternoon)
Patrol first-aid kit
Water bottle for each Scout
Troop:
Read the Covid-19 event Guidelines
BSA Annual Health and Medical Record (part A&B for all Scouting events) for every participant (due at check-in).
Roster (email to Danny Reeves)
List of Scouts elected into the Order of the Arrow
Items needed to run assigned event and FCE activity
Five medals or awards for 1st place.
Don't Bring: alcohol, valuables, electronics (e.g., iPod, iPad), fireworks sheath or hunting knives, pets, hammocks, personal firearms and ammunition, jewelry, personal bows and arrows
6:00 pm - 9:00 pm Check-in at registration hut
10:00 pm Opening campfire at campfire ring
11:00 pm Taps, lights out, all Scouts turn in to your tents; quiet in camp
7:00 - 8:00 am Check-in at registration hut (for units arriving on Saturday)
8:15 am Opening flags (units assemble at the flagpole in field uniform)
9:00 am - 12:00 pm First Class Emphasis (FCE) program
12:00 - 1:00 pm Lunch hour
1:15 - 6:00 pm Patrol competitions - Highland Games
5:45 - 7:15 pm Free time and dinner
6:30 pm Order of the Arrow (OA) members meeting at The Grove
7:30 pm Closing flags - units assemble at the flagpole in field uniform
8:00 pm Campfire, skits, songs, awards and OA call-out
8:00 am Closing flags (units assemble at the flagpole in field uniform)
8:15 am Final words, health form pickup, check-out
Interfaith Service with unit (at campsites)
19:30 am Depart camp
Closing Campfire
Each troop is required to perform a skit or song. An Order of the Arrow representative will visit campsites on Saturday afternoon to review the troop's planned skit or song. Only Scout appropriate skits and songs will be approved.
About Tellepsen Scout Camp
Tellepsen Scout Camp is located at Bovay Scout Ranch. Tellepsen Scout Camp has eight campsites that accommodate 50 individuals per site. Each campsite has a 30'x40' pavilion with electricity. One shower and restroom facility is available for every two campsites. It is the home of the council's largest rifle range and a 41-foot climbing tower. The rifle range consists of four 50-yard high-powered rifle stations, four 100-yard high-powered rifle stations, a five-station shotgun trap range, eight shooting stations for .22 rifles and pistols and an archery range. The climbing tower has four rappelling stations of 11 feet, 22 feet, 32 feet, and 41 feet.
Google Map Map Camp Policies
The camp is located about six miles south of Navasota (one mile south of TX-6 BUS N and Tx-6 N Split) on the east side of TX-6 on County Road 317 (3450 County Road 317, Navasota, TX 77868).
Directions through Hempstead:
Take Hwy 290W through Hempstead
From Hempstead take
Hwy 6N for 16 miles
Turn right onto County Road 317
Travel to end of road through camp gate
Directions through Conroe:
From Conroe take Hwy 105W
for 45 miles
Turn left onto Hwy 6 South
for 3 miles
Turn left onto County Road 317
(just past Grassy Creek)
Travel to end of road through camp gate.
Note: When leaving camp, be extremely cautious as this is a 75 mph zone with poor visibility of oncoming traffic due to the hill. Many people will be leaving at the same time, do not bunch up in the median. Instead of crossing two lanes of high-speed traffic, it may be advisable to turn right and then u-turn at the next available median a short distance away.
Order of the Arrow (OA)
The Order of the Arrow is the national honor society of the Boy Scouts of America. The Order of the Arrow (OA) recognizes Scouts and Scouters who best exemplify the Scout Oath and Law in their daily lives. This recognition provides encouragement for others to live these ideals as well. Arrowmen are known for maintaining camping traditions and spirit, promoting year-round and long-term resident camping, developing leaders, and providing cheerful service to others. OA service, activities, adventures, and training for youth and adults are models of quality leadership development and programming that enrich, support, and help to extend Scouting to America's youth.
Order of the Arrow Area
The OA area at The Grove is open to Arrowmen. Arrowmen who haven't paid their dues, can pay them at www.oa.shac.org/dues. The OA area will have snacks, drinks, hammocks, lawn chairs, and tomahawk throwing during the afternoon program time. Arrowmen are invited to come and relax and fellowship with fellow OA members from the Copperhead Chapter!
OA Call-Out Ceremony
Following the campfire, a traditional OA call-out ceremony will take place to recognize those youth and adults from the district elected to the OA.
Scoutmasters should encourage elected candidates to attend camporee to be called out. Many troops choose to let the candidates be surprised when their names are called.
Once each year, a troop may hold a unit election to elect youth members of their troop to become members of the Order of the Arrow. A special call-out ceremony is being held during the camporee for candidates elected into the Order of the Arrow by their troop last fall. Scouts are not required to participate in a call-out ceremony but must complete an Ordeal within one year, in order to become a member of Colonneh Lodge. If a candidate does not attend an Ordeal within one year, then the candidate has to be re-elected by their unit.
Order of the Arrow (OA) Brotherhood Walk / Ceremony
Immediately following the Saturday evening campfire, there will be a Brotherhood Walk and Ceremony. The Order of the Arrow will have a Brotherhood Walk on Saturday evening. All Brotherhood-eligible Arrowmen are invited.
Arrowmen must be current on lodge dues.
After 10 months of service as an Ordeal member and after fulfilling certain requirements, a member may take part in the Brotherhood ceremony, which places further emphasis on the ideals of Scouting and the Order. Completion of this ceremony signifies full membership in the Order of the Arrow. Brotherhood is an opportunity for members to evaluate their past service to Scouting (camping and unit involvement) and to their lodge, and to reaffirm their belief in the high purposes of the Order. There is no charge for the Brotherhood walk or ceremony.
Order of the Arrow Meeting Ice Cream on Saturday
All Arrowmen are invited an OA Ice Cream Social at 6:30 pm on Saturday at The Grove. Arrowmen can enjoy ice cream while discussing OA call-out ceremony to be held later that night and other OA opportunities.
Troop Campsite and Event Assignments
2021 Map/Troop Campsite/Covid Information
Event Assignments
Troop FCE Assignments
3 2 Tug-of-War Tournament First Class #5a, 5d
61 3 Cairn Construction Relay Tenderfoot #5a-5c, Second Class #3a, 3c, 3d
120 3 Clachneart First Class #3a-3d
202 4 Haggis Hustle First Class #6b-6d
229 2 Tomahawk Throw Scout #2a, 2d, 3a; Second Class #2a
421 1 Caber Toss Second Class #6a-6e
838 5 Archery First Class #7a-7c
1283 5 Storming the Castle Tenderfoot #4a-4c
1296 6 Toss the Wellie Tenderfoot #2c, 7a, 8; Second Class #5a, 5d
1865 6 Log Drag Scout #4a, Tenderfoot #3a-3c, Second Class #2f, 2g
First Class Emphasis (FCE) Program
Camporee this year will also incorporate a First Class Emphasis (FCE) program. Each troop is assigned a section from the Scout Handbook to teach Scouts who need to earn rank requirements for Scout, Tenderfoot, Second Class, and First Class. Order of the Arrow members, as well as Star, Life and Eagle Scouts, should be prepared to teach Scouts. Scoutmasters and assistant Scoutmasters should be on hand to make the appropriate sign-offs. Scoutmasters and assistant Scoutmasters should be on hand to make the appropriate sign-offs. A table will be set up for each troop in addition to a list of requirements being taught. In the event of inclement weather, the FCE program will be held in the pavilion.
There are many legends about the origins of the Scottish Games. The oldest traces the tradition of the game back to the period of Roman invasions in the 2nd and 3rd centuries, where Scottish warriors reputedly displayed their bravery and strength by performing feats of skill and power in front of the opposing army.
The most widely accepted tale describes the games as informal athletic tests by which Kings and Clan Chiefs examined the agility, cunning and physical strength of their clansmen. The victors of these trials were then awarded positions of leadership both on the battlefield and within the clan. The Scottish Highland Games or Heavy Events are the modem continuation of this ancient Celtic tradition. Each event you watch today may look like a simple matter of brute strength, but each also requires excellent timing, balance and technique (they also required a kilt!).
All events will have gold (1st), silver (2nd), and bronze (3rd) place. Each units' SPL will be responsible for announcing the winners at the Saturday night campfire. The district will provide the medals for both 2nd and 3rd place. The unit will need to provide (5) medals or awards for 1st place.
Patrols should have a maximum of five members and be made up of all ages. Super patrols of older Scouts are not allowed. If needed, smaller troops can join together to form patrols.
All events will be held at the troop's campsite except for archery, which will be at the archery range.
Units leaders can adjust events as necessary.
Caber Toss - Distance and Accuracy Event. The caber toss is a traditional Scottish Highlands game involving the tossing of a large wooden pole called a caber, like a telephone pole. We will be using a smaller, lighter version than the Scots. Clan members will be required to stand up the pole, lift it from the bottom and hold it upright. Then by running forward, toss the pole so it flips end over end so it lands close to a 12 o'clock position. Each member of the clan will get 3 throws.
Clachneart - (Shot-put): Distance Event. Similar to the modern-day shot put but using a rounded stone. The scout in a standing position, pushing the stone from the nape of the neck using only one hand. Each clan member will receive 3 tries to throw for distance.
Toss the Wellie - Accuracy Event. In retaliation for the men tracking mud into the house, the women threw boots (Wellington) at them. This modern competition based on this legend will task each member of the clan to toss (throw) the "Wellie" (boot) underhand into targets. Each clan member will get 2 tosses for combined points.
Cairn Construction Relay - Team and timed event. A Cairn is a 3-foot-high trail marker constructed of medium sized stones. Each clan will have to "move" (i.e. disassemble) their cairn from its original spot to a new designated spot and reassemble it. Each clan member can only move 1 rock at a time. Speed and structural stability count.
Haggis Hustle (Obstacle Course): Team and timed Event: Haggis, the national dish of Scotland, is made from sheep offal. (Don't ask what that is.) Each member of the clan will have to carry the Haggis (sheep) through an obstacle course.
Storming the Castle - Scouts make a ladder (lashings and knots) out of spars to go over a fence, obstacle, or climbing wall. This is a timed event for the clan.
Log Drag - The clans run to the log and tie a timber hitch to one end of the log and a bowline to the other end of the rope. Three Scouts get inside the bowline and drag the log across the line. This is a timed event for the patrol.
Axe Throw - The battle axes used in the modern competition are frequently replicas of the type issued to the 78th Frasers Highlanders, a military regiment from the Highlands of Scotland. The axe is an oversized version that will be thrown at the target to score points. The OA Chapter will provide Tomahawks for this event!
Archery – clans get a set amount of arrows for scoring.
Tug-of-war: Of one the oldest athletic contests known throughout recorded history. It was part of the Olympics in Ancient Greece. All participating Clans will gather at the Tug-of-war area at the scheduled time. Each troop will provide 2 patrols to make 1 large patrol of 10. Single elimination and each match is the best of 3. See tournament bracket below.
Rules, Regulations and Important Information
Camp Code: The Scout Oath, Scout Law and Outdoor Code will be the law of the camp.
Dress Code: The dress code for the weekend must be weather appropriate, so please pack accordingly. Sturdy boots are highly recommended. Tennis shoes might be best for some of the competition games. Open-toed shoes are not allowed for safety reasons. Field uniform (Scout uniform) is recommended for the Saturday evening flag ceremony, campfire program, and Sunday interfaith worship service. Activity uniforms (camporee t-shirt) during Saturday activities.
Camping: Each unit is responsible for all camping gear, food, and safety and discipline within their units. Each unit will be provided a space to camp. See below for camping assignments.
Participants: All participants must be registered members of the Boy Scouts of America. Units participating in this program will need to have their Scouts divided into patrols with a minimum of 3 and a maximum of 5 Scouts per patrol.
Leadership: All units must ensure sufficient leadership and comply with the BSA supervision requirements. Two registered adult leaders 21 years of age or over are required. There must be a registered female adult leader 21 years of age or over in every unit serving females. A registered female adult leader 21 years of age or over must be present for any activity involving female youth. Notwithstanding the minimum leader requirements, age- and program-appropriate supervision must always be provided. From the Youth Protection website, the BSA has adopted the following policies for the safety and well-being of its members. These policies primarily protect youth members; however, they also serve to protect adult leaders. Parents and youth using these safeguards outside the Scouting program further increase the safety of their youth. Those who serve in positions of leadership and supervision with youth outside the Scouting program will find these policies help protect youth in those situations as well.
Two-deep leadership is required on all outings. A minimum of two registered adult leaders — or one registered leader and a participating Scout's parent or another adult — is required for all trips and outings. One of these adults must be 21 years of age or older.
One-on-one contact between adults and youth members is prohibited. In situations requiring a personal conference, such as a Scoutmaster conference, the meeting is to be conducted with the knowledge and in view of other adults and/or youth.
The policies of two-deep leadership and no one-on-one contact between adults and youth members also apply to digital communication. Leaders may not have one-on-one private online communications or engage one-on-one in other digital activities (games, social media, etc.) with youth members. Leaders should copy a parent and another leader in digital and online communication, ensuring no one-on-one contact takes place in text, social media, or other forms of online or digital communication.
Meals: Units are to provide all their own meals for the weekend. Please use Leave No Trace principles when preparing and cleaning meals. All trash must be disposed of in the dumpsters. Each troop will cook by the troop method and must furnish its own food, ice, stove fuel, wood or charcoal. Each area has a campfire ring that may or may not be available for use depending on the number of Scouts in your camp area. If using a Dutch oven please bring a portable table or metal pan instead of placing on the ground. No ground fires outside the fire ring.
Fires: Practice sensible fire safety. Please make campfires in the designed fire rings located in each campsite. Please do not move fire rings. Any special restrictions will be administered at check-in should the need arise. Liquid fuels are not permitted. Please follow BSA policy on handling, use, and storage of such fuels. If a burn ban is in effect, no open fires will be permitted.
Generators: Generators are not allowed for unit use. The use of a generator by the camporee committee will be permitted where the power to run equipment is not available.
Cooking Fuel: Use wood, charcoal, or propane fuel in preparation of meals. In the interest of conservation, charcoal is recommended and encouraged.
Pressurized Fuels: The use of either high or low-pressure lanterns or stoves must be in accordance with current BSA and SHAC policy.
Use of Water: Water sources are only for filling water containers. They are not to be used for personal hygiene, washing or rinsing dishes, or washing clothes.
Latrines/Shower Facilities: Please keep latrines in good shape and respect others. Latrines are spread throughout the camp. Latrines will be checked as part of the check-out procedure. Units camping near latrines are responsible for the cleaning of them prior to check-out.
Trash: Each unit must take their trash to the dumpsters located by the exit from Camp Brosig.
Tobacco/Alcohol: No person under the age of 18 is allowed to use tobacco products. No alcohol of any kind is permitted. All adult smokers are encouraged to refrain from smoking around the Scouts during the weekend. Alcohol is strictly prohibited.
Parking: Due to the limited space, all personal vehicles will need to park in designated parking areas, no exceptions. Unit trailers can be parked on road by campsites and can be delivered on Friday night and retrieved Sunday morning. No vehicles are allowed to drive around camp on Saturday. Only properly marked staff or handicapped vehicles will be permitted in camp. Vehicle permits will be provided at check-in for those allowed to travel into the camp. Only camp staff and/or handicap vehicles will be allowed into the camp.
Taps and Reveille: Please observe quiet hours and be aware of surroundings and neighbors.
Visitors: All visitors must check-in and check out at registration and must depart camp before Taps each evening.
Knife Safety: Follow all rules regarding knife safety and proper handling of knives and tools.
Cutting of Trees: Please do not cut down any live trees for firewood. Any cutting down of live trees will require permission from the camp ranger.
Prohibited: Sheath knives, alcohol, fireworks, firearms, and non-medically prescribed drugs are strictly prohibited.
Cutting Through Campsites: Please do not pass through other unit's campsites, there will be walkways marked out. A scout is courteous, kind, and obedient to name a few. Please be considerate.
Buglers: Any Scouts who can play taps, reveille, call to colors, etc. on their bulges are encouraged to bring their bugles and check in with the staff on Friday evening.
Prescription Medication: On all outings, an adult is to be responsible for youth medications (in the original containers), kept secure, and dispensed as prescribed. Prescription medicine will be handled by the troop leadership.
Health/First Aid: Minor first aid issues should be handled by the unit leadership. Major first aid issues will be handled by Charlie Bozeman who will be available 24 hours per day. He will be reachable via cell (281-914-3033) and two-way radio. The first aid station is located across from the registration hut and is marked with a red cross flag. Advise troop members of its location, to be announced during Friday's opening campfire and the Saturday morning flag ceremony.
Check-In Procedures
Arrivals. Participants can begin arriving on Friday night at 6:00 pm.
Upon arrival immediately go to the registration hut, do not get out of your car! One of the event medics will take the pre-event screening form for each Scout as well as take each Scout's temperature. If any Scout fails the temperature check that car will be asked to park so everyone can be tested again after 10 minutes. If a Scout fails again then the whole car will not be allowed to enter camp and will be asked to return home. After everyone has passed then proceed to your assigned campsite.
After getting to your campsite please send an adult to HQ with the BSA Annual Health and Medical Record (part A&B for all Scouting events) for the whole troop to turn into the camp medic at the registration hut.
Campsites: Campsites are pre-assigned and are included on the attached Camp Brosig Map. Each troop is requested to use the minimum space for its campsite. Due to large expected attendance, more than one troop may be assigned to each campsite as needed. Be courteous to your fellow campsite mates. Upon arrival, please proceed to the assigned campsite to unload gear and then move all vehicles to parking lot located by the registration hut. Do not set up any tents or troop equipment until the unloading vehicle has been parked at the designated parking lot.
Medical Forms: Every participant must have a current BSA Annual Health and Medical Record (Part A & B). Every troop should bring two copies in a binder. One copy will be turned in at check-in. They will be held in first aid location during the event. The binder will be returned to the troop upon checkout. Troops should have a second copy to keep in the campsite. The pre-event screening form, as well as a camporee health log, will need to be turned in at check-in.
Roster: A short-term camping roster must be completed and emailed to the camporee chair one week prior to camporee.
All troop trailers will be allowed to remain on the road or in a parking spot next to the campsite location.
All other vehicles must be unloaded at the campsite and then moved to the designated parking areas next to registration.
Only designated vehicles will be given an all-access pass to be able to move around during this event. The speed limit is no more than 5 MPH.
If you have a special need or a handicap that will require you to have a vehicle, please inform registration upon check-in.
Check-out Procedures
All troops must check out with registration prior to departing. The following items must be completed and checked by a staff member.
Campsite cleaned and all trash removed
Bathroom facilities cleaned – each troop will need to bring a broom, bathroom cleaning material, etc. to use for cleaning the bathroom facilities.
Each troop will share the campsite bathroom with another troop. Thus, the cleaning must be done by each troop who used the bathroom facilities.
Once the unit has passed campsite inspection, units will receive camporee patches for each registered participant. Medical form binders will be returned.
When leaving camp, all trash is to be taken up to trash dumpster located by the exit. Please plan to depart camp by noon on Sunday.
Early Departures: Units needing an early departure on Sunday should make prior arrangements with the camporee registration staff and follow the check-out procedures.
A survey for the SPL/Scoutmaster to fill out and return by April roundtable. Please take time to discuss this survey with the participants and give feedback. Feedback is a gift and all comments are appreciated.
Instilling values in young people and preparing them to make moral and ethical choices throughout their lifetime is the mission of the Boy Scouts of America. Leave No Trace helps reinforce that mission, and reminds us to respect the rights of other users of the outdoors as well as future generations. Appreciation for our natural environment and a knowledge of the interrelationships of nature bolster our respect and reverence toward the environment and nature. Leave No Trace is an awareness and an attitude rather than a set of rules. It applies in your backyard or local park as much as in the backcountry. We should all practice Leave No Trace in our thinking and actions–wherever we go.
The principles of Leave No Trace might seem unimportant until you consider the combined effects of millions of outdoor visitors. One poorly located campsite or campfire may have little significance, but thousands of such instances seriously degrade the outdoor experience for all. Leaving no trace is everyone's responsibility. All participants are asked to follow the seven principles of Leave No Trace.
Plan Ahead and Prepare
Travel and Camp on Durable Surfaces
Dispose of Waste Properly (Pack It In, Pack It Out)
Leave What You Find
Minimize Campfire Impacts
Be Considerate of Other Visitors
Interfaith Worship Service
The Scout Law teaches, "A Scout is reverent. A Scout is reverent toward God. He is faithful in his religious duties. He respects the beliefs of others." It is important that Scouts be taught to recognize the beliefs of other Scouts and to respect those beliefs. There will be an interfaith worship service on Sunday morning. Units will conduct their own interfaith worship service on Sunday morning after closing flags.
Late-breaking news and announcements will be emailed to those registered and posted on the Copperhead District Facebook page.
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For questions, contact:
Camporee Chair: Danny Reeves at 281-450-5158 or dannyreeves38@gmail.com.
Scout Camporee Director: OA Chapter Chief Dylan Freed, Troop 1283
Camporee First Aid: Tom and Pam White, 713-705-4895


I'm sure this has probably been done to death but can't find anything looking to get a set of Blackbird Wheels powder coated but not sure where to get it done?
Got mine done at PPS in Inverurie Excellent job, about £40/wheel and 3 day turnaround, although they usually say a week. Unfortunately, they do ask you to bring your wheels in without tyres and bearings etc.
Look up the wheel specialist in dyce. Turnaround is 1 day and they did an awsome job of my car alloys.
Few of them are bikers so i guess they could help u out with your bike wheels.


"That, I think, is where we're headed", the official said. As of just after 10am BST, the price of brent crude was at $69.78 per barrel.
Brent oil rose to $69.84 per barrel, the highest level since early November, and is now changing hands at $69.81 per barrel, representing a 2.8 percent gain on the weekly opening price of $67.90.
Portfolio managers increased their combined net long position-the difference between bullish and bearish bets-in the six most important oil contracts by 37 million barrels in the week to March 26, according to the latest exchanges reports compiled by Reuters market analyst John Kemp.
Oil prices have been on the rise in the last few days as hedge funds and other money managers rushed to amass more bullish bets on data that US shale oil production growth is slowing, brighter economic forecasts, and the possibility that OPEC will extend its production cuts into the second half of the year. Crude oil processing remained lower than usual. A day later, the EIA confirmed the build, estimating that crude inventories had grown by 2.8 million barrels.
"Chinese manufacturing output is quite reflective of global demand, and any increase indicates a flurry of economic activity across major economies".


Anyone who even has a remote interest in games knows that it can get mighty expensive rather quickly. The gaming platforms (PC, consoles and Handhelds) aside, there will always be a need to get a new game. Whether it's purchasing that big hit everyone seems to be talking about or simply buying an all new world to play in, the unrelenting allure of a shiny new bauble will always be there. Sure, it may be one of the reasons gaming has been so successful; having tons of options to choose from never gets old. Though despite being a devout gamer, I still can't help but wish that it wouldn't burn such a massive hole into my pocket every year.
Luckily enough the times are changing. More and more business models are sprouting up and giving way to interesting gaming worlds for a variety of costs. One such model is called Free-To-Play and it often revolves around micro transactions. Playing a game for free is well and good, but not all games are created equal; some developers do it better than others and there are a few games that every self-proclaimed gamer needs to try at least once. Here's my top picks in what people need to try out.
MOBA stands for multiplayer online battle arena. This genre has been gaining popularity over the years and two games come to my mind, which really need to be tried out, namely League of Legends and Dota 2.
The games are similar enough that I thought I could get away with bunching them up. Yes, there are differences, some big and some small, but at its core it involves a lot of the same mechanics. Whether someone likes one or another mainly depends on their preferences.
Basically, the genre is simple enough with a singular straightforward objective. There are two teams that are usually composed of 5 players, each controlling one unique hero or Champion, each with their own set of abilities and attributes. They in turn will battle it out, pushing against each other until they destroy the opposing team's base. Sounds simple enough, doesn't it? There are a number of wrenches in the way of course, heavily fortified towers, waves and waves of mindless minions and of course the opposing team.
It's no wonder that each team will do their utmost best to kill their opposition, buying them a few moments of stress free reprieve. There's also a degree of complexity to the genre where players save precious resources to buy enhancements (there are many choices) that could mean the difference between victory and defeat. It is a highly competitive world where skill and teamwork are valued above all else.
What makes it fun though, is that no game is truly the same. The randomness makes for a game always seem to be different. Still, even as the situations differ, a certain degree of glee always embraces me whenever I close in for a kill and disappear before the opposing team can react.
That's not even mentioning the sudden jolts of adrenaline that can surge through my body just before heroic clashes between teams or setting up the ambush to deal with that one pesky player that always gets in the way. If that's not enough reason to try out the game, just look at the numbers. League of Legends claims that there are around 12m players active in a single day, while Dota 2 peaks with a total of 500 thousand players online. With that amount of people playing it day in day out there is certainly something there, so try it soon. It's not like you have anything to lose.
These games are only available for the PC.
This is perhaps the lowest rated game of my picks and when it was released, I wouldn't have blamed you for saying pass; after all, I almost did. Still, this game has gone light years ahead of what it once was, when everyone gave it a good all righteous bashing.
The steady development and frequent polishing done by Developer Gazillion has done much for this action role playing game (think Diablo); they have innovated and pushed the game in such a short time that I find myself thinking that they're one of the best developers out there. Don't believe me? Check their track record, it's almost if they have a content update every month, but sometimes they go even further with having a major patch twice in a single month.
Content is all well and good but what makes it fun? Primarily it's the gameplay and little bits of details that make it go the extra mile. The millage is largely dependant on which hero you play, since they're not created equally – still, once you've found someone that clicks to your play style, spending hours upon hours lost in the game is not unheard of, in fact it's the norm.
The game is simple enough and revolves around taking a superhero, say Iron Man and fighting your way through a never ending horde of villains and their minions, while picking up every single shiny item that drops. The game roster of playable heroes is increasing every month and there's no need to do something as silly as logging out to switch between characters; what's more, all the hero can be bought with items dropped in the game (it may take a while though).
it doesn't actually feel like grinding. There's just so much to do that it'll take hours and hours before something feels truly repetitive. Beating different super villains, saving that hopeless bystander and taking on a T-Rex are just some of the fun filled activities a hero can enjoy. Give it a try, you won't regret it, I promise you that.
If you've ever wanted to feel like a multi-ton unstoppable machine of destruction, then WoT is the game for you. For all intents and purposes it looks like a shooter, yet it's something a little more than the simple point and shoot.
In a realm where everything that appears between the crosshairs has inches and inches of armor, and where it takes precious seconds to reload – a single misstep will be exponentially worse. There's a lot of skill involved with this tank filled world and a lot of thinking, which involves aiming for the enemy's weak spots, staying in cover and hiding behind camouflage. I like to think of it as a strategic shooter where patience pays off. It's the kind of game where it teaches players why exactly it's a bad idea to rush into an open field.
Gameplay is PvP oriented and mainly consists of two teams trying their best to kill each other. The player will control an armored vehicle capable of bulldozing most houses. There are a lot of vehicles to choose from and they all have a certain role to play in the grand scheme of things.
Understanding that role and how to best utilize the unique characteristics of a tank take practice, but it's the road to go in order to truly enjoy this game.
The learned curve isn't so steep that it stops a new player in its tracks, but there's a lot to learn before this game truly feels fun. It took me a month on and off play to get used to all the mechanics and not to curse when my shots failed to get through the enemy armor, but before long, I was aiming for weak spots and leaving burning husks behind my tank – something that is both thrilling and satisfying at the same time.
Can any list be truly complete without a first person shooter? Good thing I don't need to find out, since Planetside 2 is easily one of the most intriguing titles out in the genre. Even Battlefield 4 will find it hard pressed to come close to this game's large scale warfare.
Huge maps that would take a lifetime to transverse on foot and perhaps even a handful of minutes on a jet, littered with strategic objections that everyone wants, hundreds of players each aligned to one of the three factions shooting at each other like there's no tomorrow.
It may sound like the sheer scale of it all makes for one difficult time in just finding someone or something to shoot at, but in truth it's the exact opposite. The complexity of this game isn't that bad considering you can be locked in combat a minute after logging in. Going to where you're most needed is as easy as pulling down the map and making a few clicks.
Also, Planetside 2 is one of the truly free to play games out there. Seeing as everything in the game can be unlocked with hard work and an itchy trigger finger, well with the small exception of cosmetic items.
While playing Planetside 2 I never had a real reason to buy anything with money; I knew if I played long enough I would eventually get the weapon, add-on or upgrade I was aiming for.
The fun may vary though, since teamwork is needed to get the most out of the game. It's almost indescribable, the feeling of routing out an enemy force as it crashes into hastily prepared defenses. I mean, the feeling of success is there, but it's always short lived to see as the next battle is just around the corner.
As you can notice there's no MMORGs. It's hard to recommend them seeing as I haven't touched any in the last few months and any I did try weren't truly free to play. There was often this heavy penalty or something I needed to buy in order to truly succeed in the game. Still, if anyone would like to suggest something, please feel free and speak up – I'm always looking for a brand new world to conquer… er i mean explore.
What do you think of my picks? Disagree, agree? What to know more? Let me know and if you have any suggestions that I should play, please share with a comment – don't be shy.


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There have been a bunch of cases on this over the past couple of decades, and I don't have a big picture opinion about them. But it does seem to me that this particular opinion is quite unpersuasive.
Although the statistics show that minors are suspects and victims in roughly 10% of violent crimes committed between curfew hours (11:00 p.m. to 5:00 a.m.), what they really highlight is that minors are far more likely to commit or be victims of crime outside curfew hours [footnote: Looking at the hourly breakdown of minors as crime suspects and victims, more than three-quarters (75% to 86%) of all crimes that minors commit and are victims of take place during non-curfew hours.] and that it is the adults, rather than the minors, who commit and are victims of the vast majority of violent crime (83.6% and 87.8% respectively) during curfew hours. The crime statistics are also organized by days of the week and despite that minors are 64% to 160% more likely to be a victim and up to 375% more likely to be a suspect of violent crimes on Saturdays and Sundays as compared to a given weekday, surprisingly, the curfew is less prohibitive on weekends. We also note that the methodology and scope of the statistics are plainly over-inclusive for purposes of studying the effectiveness of the curfew.
To be sure, minors are affected by crime during curfew hours but from the obvious disconnect between the crime statistics and the nighttime curfew, it seems that "no effort ... [was] made by the [City] to ensure that the population targeted by the ordinance represented that part of the population causing trouble or that was being victimized." If, as the dissent argues, it is enough that from 2000 to 2005 a number of juveniles were victimized at night, then the same statistics would justify, perhaps even more strongly, imposing a juvenile curfew during all hours outside of school since far more victimization occur during those hours.
The last sentence I quoted, I think, helps show the weakness of the court's analysis. Of course a juvenile curfew during all hours outside of school would likely protect minors from crime more than a late-night curfew would. But the city isn't singleminded focused solely on protecting juveniles from crime. It also wants them to have fun -- to enjoy, to a considerable extent, the liberty that adults have.
The real reason for nighttime curfews isn't that 11 pm to 5 am are the times of maximum vulnerability for under-17-year-olds, and certainly not that under-17-year-olds are the main source, or even a disproportionate source, of crime during those hours. Rather, it's that Rochester government (and quite possibly Rochester voters) think that keeping minors off the street from 11 pm to 5 am is a fairly modest restriction on their liberty and happiness, in a way that keeping them off the street from 3 pm to 8 am would not be. This also explains why letting minors stay out until midnight on Fridays and Saturdays shouldn't be at all "surprising"; it's an accommodation of the desire to let under-17-year-olds enjoy themselves longer on non-school nights than on school nights.
Now maybe the government has no business protecting 16-year-olds this way, especially when their parents disagree with the government's protective plans. As I mentioned, I have no firm opinions on the scope of minors' rights to liberty of movement, or on parents' rights to allow their minor children freedom of movement without interference from the government.
But the court doesn't take this view, it seems to me. It says that children's rights to freedom of movement are substantially lesser than adults' rights, and are potentially restrictable if the law passes "intermediate scrutiny," which is to say is "'substantially related' to the achievement of 'important' government interests." It seems to suggest that if the law were sufficiently linked to the prevention of crime by or against under-17-year-olds, it would be constitutional. And it rests its rejection of the law on the grounds that "Quite simply, the proof offered by the City fails to support the aims of the curfew in this case," for the reasons I mentioned above.
This, it seems to me, is a common problem in cases that use intermediate scrutiny, or "means-ends scrutiny" more broadly (such as strict scrutiny): A court focuses on one interest, and argues that the law is a poor fit with that interest. But most laws aim at serving a bunch of different interests at once. Here, the government is trying to reduce crime by and against under-17-year-olds (hence the presence of some curfew). It's trying to reduce this crime with minimum impact on full-fledged adults, who the court seems to acknowledge have broader rights than minors do (hence the limitation of the curfew to minors, even though adults commit most of the crimes). And it's trying to reduce this crime with only a modest impact on 16-year-olds' ability to have fun.
If the law is to be struck down, it shouldn't be because the city lacks sufficient "crime statistics," or because adults commit many more crimes than minors, or because children are more often victimized on Saturdays and Sundays. Intermediate scrutiny, at least as the court has applied it, seems to have been more of a distraction than a helpful guide.
The dissent also seems right in pointing out (assuming the record evidence supports it -- I haven't looked at it) that "Of course minors are more likely to commit or be victims of crime outside curfew hours. For one thing, the curfew hours comprise only 40 out of the 168 hours in a week. As to the likelihood of becoming crime victims, most children are at home during the curfew hours, as the defendant Mayor noted. But it certainly does not follow that a child who goes out at night is less likely to become the victim of a crime than one who goes out during the day. Again, it is completely unsurprising that adults commit and are victims of most crimes during curfew hours. Adults commit more crimes than children at all hours. Indeed, this may simply be an instance of the general truth that adults, who make up some three-quarters of the population, are more likely to do anything." But that too shouldn't, I think, be the heart of the argument, for the reasons I gave above.
The statistical argument in this NY decision is like striking down highway speed limits because most car accidents occur among cars obeying the speed limit.
Rather, it's that Rochester government (and quite possibly Rochester voters) think that keeping minors off the street from 11 pm to 5 am is a fairly modest restriction on their liberty and happiness, in a way that keeping them off the street from 3 pm to 8 am would not be.
If that's the standard, then there are all manners of "fairly modest" restrictions on the liberty &happiness of my fellow citizens that I would like to propose. What constitutes a 'modest' restriction is not, in any instance, for the voters to decide at all.
"Of course minors are more likely to commit or be victims of crime outside curfew hours. For one thing, the curfew hours comprise only 40 out of the 168 hours in a week. As to the likelihood of becoming crime victims, most children are at home during the curfew hours, as the defendant Mayor noted. But it certainly does not follow that a child who goes out at night is less likely to become the victim of a crime than one who goes out during the day. Again, it is completely unsurprising that adults commit and are victims of most crimes during curfew hours. Adults commit more crimes than children at all hours. Indeed, this may simply be an instance of the general truth that adults, who make up some three-quarters of the population, are more likely to do anything."
Perhaps, as you say, this shouldn't be the heart of the argument for either side, but it's astounding that the majority seems to fail to understand this. Their analysis of the statistics is absurd, and is the kind of thing you would find in an introduction to statistics class as an example of faulty statistical reasoning. It's disheartening to see that an educated judge could write something like what was written in the majority opinion.
The real reason for nighttime curfews isn't that 11 pm to 5 am are the times of maximum vulnerability for under-17-year-olds, and certainly not that under-17-year-olds are the main source, or even a disproportionate source, of crime during those hours. Rather, it's that Rochester government (and quite possibly Rochester voters) think that keeping minors off the street from 11 pm to 5 am is a fairly modest restriction on their liberty and happiness, in a way that keeping them off the street from 3 pm to 8 am would not be.
How could a judge fail to at least understand this, even if he doesn't agree with it or comes to a different conclusion?
The decision cites U.S. Supreme Court decisions and says that law violated "the Federal and New York State Constitutions." This means, under Michigan v. Long (1983), the SCOTUS could take this case, if requested to do so. How likely would such a cert. petition be granted?
Curfews are necessary because the kinds of parents who let their kids roam the streets at midnight raise the kinds of kids that nobody in their right mind wants to meet on the streets at midnight.
What are the minutes of a Rochester City Council meeting doing in the middle of a Supreme Court opinion?
What are the minutes of a Rochester City Council meeting doing in the middle of a Supreme Court New York Court of Appeals opinion?
The decision cites U.S. Supreme Court decisions and says that law violated "the Federal and New York State Constitutions." This means, under Michigan v. Long (1983), the SCOTUS could take this case, if requested to do so.
The NYS Constitution is both adequate to sustain the conclusion and independent of the US Constitution. No dice.
There are all kinds of people I don't want to meet (among others: PETA protesters, pro-life protesters, Jehovah's witnesses, militant atheists) at any time in the day. That fact was never before considered reasonable grounds to exclude them from the streets to protect my delicate sensibilities.
In fact, curfew laws are a relatively novel invention in our Republic, none of them (as far as I've ever heard) can trace it's provenance to before the Progressive Era (and that wonderful concept of alcohol prohibition, but I digress). The founders' generation, as it seems, was content to let families manage their own affairs as they saw fit.
exercise of "fundamental rights such as freedom of speech or religion or the right of assembly ... as opposed to general social association."
Can these be legally distinguished? Presumably they're referring to a narrow interpretation of "freedom of speech" and "right of assembly" as protecting e.g. political rallies, but a broader view could interpret the terms to be invoked with regard to *any* speech and assembly (minus those specifically deemed illegal, such as fraudulent speech and trespassing).
But how are these kids going to be able to attend Midnight Basketball?
I've raised two teenagers through the curfew years in my town. They violated curfew all the time for the simple reason is that they aren't based on a rational time frame. The problem wasn't them roaming the streets, but driving back from friends' houses.
There are towns next to mine that have later or no curfews. I see no difference whatsoever between juvenile problems in those towns and mine. It actually seems the quality of the police department and whether they are complete dicks to teenagers is a more determinate factor in teenage behavior.
The reasoning by the judge is terrible, but I'm happy to see curfews struck down as an unconstitutional infringement upon the liberty of teenagers. There's no reason why a 16-year-old shouldn't be able to go to a 9 o'clock movie. A junior in high school with a late birthday shouldn't need his parents to take him to prom. And there's little reason why younger teens shouldn't be free to stroll about in the middle of the night if their parents don't mind.
Oren: The founders' generation also didn't have electric lighting. If a 16-year-old in the late 18th century wanted to go out at midnight to rob somebody, they would have had to carry a torch just to find their victim, which might have hampered their efforts.
Dan M.: Going to, attending, or returning from the prom would probably be an official school activity and thus a permitted activity under the curfew law.
Maybe no current curfew law can trace its origin to before the progressive era, but I am quite sure from my reading of nineteenth century literature that thew were not at all uncommon in the late 19th century in places as diverse as Utah and Houston, Texas. This may have been evil Progressivism in action, and in New England the Curfew bell was not exactly an unheard of institution in the 1700s.
If the curfew that my city was considering ever passed, my plan was to have a website hosting a petition to repeal that curfew. Then I would print up and distribute business-card-sized invitations to visit the site and sign the petition. These cards I would give in stacks to all the teens I knew, with instructions to hand a card to any law-enforcement officer they saw after the curfew hour.
Distributing a petition is of course a Constitutionally protected activity. Anyone giving out those cards is thereby shielded from the curfew!
We have too many laws. The state has no business placing a blanket, permanent curfew on minors. That's the parents' job.
Uh. I don't see your insinuation. In my experience (driving 20K+ miles per year) is that most accidents involve vehicles driving well below the speed limit--traveling in heavy traffic.
This is very subtle: people too often fail to distinguish between fatalities and accidents (property damage). Accidents are caused by congestion and alleviated by INCREASING vehicular speed which results in a larger road capacity and larger spacings between cars.
Second, I think you are trying to allege a base-rate neglect, but if you think most people drive the speed limit on highways you are sorely mistaken and should be ashamed of spreading b.s. used by the state to appropriate money from motorists for traffic 'infractions'. Reducing speed on the highway causes accidents when the road is near capacity.
Eugene: you are applying a rational basis review not intermediate scrutiny.
A rational basis test doesn't require convincing the judge that the law is the only or best means of achieving the interest.
If the law advances the state interest, it simply doesn't matter that the judge finds that some different law might advance them better.
Otherwise, judges would simply strike down all laws disagreeing with their own beliefs and views. How could anyone think the best way to solve a governmental problem to be anything other than the one consistent with owns own philosophy? It's simply part of being human, a trait judges share with the rest of us.
As Professor Volokh points out, government often have to balance their goals with competing interests and needs. The fact that a social problem persists or a government interest keeps being perennielly frustrated is often a good indicator that the best or most direct way to address it is fraught with difficult or perilous side effects that may be harmful to others or other interests. This will often mean that the solution that might appear second or tenth best if we didn't have to think about anything else ends up being the one selected. If the problem were easy to solve without creating more problems, we might well have solved it already.
Judges don't have the resources, or mandate, to consider anything but a small number of factors, impacts, and interactions when they decide cases. That's why they're supposed to defer to legislatures.
Oh well. I guess we'll all have to learn to live in a dictatorship.
My (very quiet) town in CA has a similar curfew which I assume is unconstitutional. The same statute text was struck down in LA.
I have activly encouraged my kids, and their friends to flaunt the vague text of the statute. Using the "employment" loophole, one just needs to claim that they are self employed citizen-observers of civil rights. They also refuse to explain further, or to answer any questions.
IMHO, this encourages libertarianism, and the proper disresptect for over-reaching authoritarianism.
A big difference between earlier history and today is the higher prevalence of single-motherhood now. A mother may set a curfew for her screw-up teenage son but how is she going to enforce it?
I think my town growing up had a similar curfew that rarely got enforced and I always wondered about this. Pretty much all of the time I was out that late at that age it was because I was doing something harmless like coming home from a friends house after watching a movie or playing cards, which means I would not be covered because it was "general social association".
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Aside from the curfew issue, have we as a society ever really stepped back for perspective on adolescence. We keeping moving the start of adult life further and further into the future. These kids are human beings. Generations of better nutrition and medical care have them developing at much younger ages. We keep asking them to postpone life.
Get these kids in a vocational path at 15 or 16. If you can drive, you can pursue a damn career. Going to college, good. Then, you need to be working the word problems at intense math camp this summer. Want to be a plumber. Excellent. You need to learn Quickbooks and be able to lift 50lbs over your head by August.
We, as a society, are squandering the lives of the next generation. They do not need to spend 4 years propping up a bloated higher education system in an attempt to figure out what they want to do in life. You can find yourself as easily with a shovel in a ditch as you can in the air-conditioned library. Actually, I think the shovel will do it quicker and you will have more money for your efforts.
...exercise of "fundamental rights such as freedom of speech or religion or the right of assembly ... as opposed to general social association."
How do we end up with judges that think that general social association isn't a fundamental right?
And when else can we justify a gross restriction on liberty for a subset of the population based on stats that others in their demographic commit crimes?
If only the courts were so enlightened regarding gun control. It obviously targets those that are not causing crime with a broad brush.
Remember, they are minors. Since when does the law have to make sense?
You need parental consent to get a tatoo, but parents do not have to be notified of an abortion? Not to mention that every other medical procedure (want your teeth whitened or a brain tumor removed?) requires parental consent.
You are fully licensed to drive a motor vehicle but are not allowed to have a beer at 18?
Drivers must wear a seatbelt; motorcyclists must wear a helmet.
In NY, if you are under 18, state law says you cannot drive past 9:00 PM.
All of these laws are "modest" restrictions on personal liberty. Should these be repealed as well?
Some of them should be.
Well, considering I was one of those kids, and ended up turning those times out roaming into a pretty good life with a pretty good career thanks to my pretty good education, I'm a little surprised by this to say the least.
Quite frankly, when I'm out at night, it isn't teenagers who frighten me - it's adults leaving the bars.
it had some exceptions, for employment, emergencies, various events, and exercise of "fundamental rights such as freedom of speech or religion or the right of assembly ... as opposed to general social association."
So under the stricken law, you could stay out all night, provided you were carrying a protest sign, presumably protesting against the curfew?
1) Some abortions may result from abuse by the parent or that is encouraged by the parent, and the parent may refuse to let the child have an abortion because it could expose that. It's unlikely the parent caused the child's brain tumor.
2) The parent may throw the child out of the house, abuse the child, or do other bad things, if told that the child is pregnant. It's very unlikely that the parent will do such things on a child who wants to get a brain tumor removed.
3) The abortion decision cannot be delayed until the child turns 18, like getting a tattoo. (This is true for brain tumors too, but we do in some cases allow a child to get a tumor removed against a parent's objections).
My community has long had an 11pm curfew for minors that has been loosely enforced. To the best of my knowledge, it has been relegated to being "probably cause" for the police to pullover/question kids that they think might be up to no good.
On top of City Hall and the old Fire Station is an air horn. If you are outside it can be heard from as far away as 3 miles. My home is over a mile away and I can hear it indoors. Its original purpose was to alert volunteer fire fighters if there was a fire call. That duty has long been switched over to pagers and radios, but the old whistle still blows several times per day. It goes of at 8am, 12pm, 1pm, 5pm and 11pm.
The 11pm whistle is to signal the start of curfew.
A couple years ago, a new resident in town approached the City Council about shutting it down. Input from the community was asked for, with about 1000 residents saying keep it and 10 saying get rid of it. Like I said, it still blows every night at 11pm.
I'm a (somewhat) successful attorney, I have never been arrested for any crime (knock on wood), I support missionaries around the world, and I have two wonderful daughters. When I was a teenager in the late 80s/early 90s, I had no curfew. None.
My mother, who raised me, has always been involved in numerous charities and social organizations, she has always been either the pianist or the music director at her church, and, before she retired, she was a public school teacher who taught disabled/special needs children.
Laws targeted at a suspect classification need to meet a higher standard than those that aren't. Hence the application of intermediate scrutiny in the instant case (under which it fails) instead of rational-basis (under which even an ardent opponent like myself concedes it ought to pass muster).
As a point of statistical analysis, if you are going to compare the percent of crimes involving youths to the percent involving adults, you also need to compare the size of the youth population to the size of the adult population. Or somewhat equivalently, you can look at the percent of youths involved in crime.
For all we can tell from the quoted statistics, the 10% of all crimes that involve young people could actually affect 100% of the young people on the street during curfew hours. Or perhaps only 1%. Can't tell.
Still, this is clearly typical blame-the-victim, make-it-illegal, convenience-of-law-enforcement politics.
Dare I point out that if "general social association" were a fundamental right, laws against racial discrimination in employment etc. would have to be struck down?
Let me tell you a story. Way back in the seventy's there was a teacher's strike in the City of St. Louis. The mayor was Cervantes. He was from a leading family in St. Louis. His brother was president of St. Louis University, a Jesuit school. The Mayor couldn't have been a dummy.
Every week he gave a press conference. The local listener supported, alternative radio station broadcast this press conference block to block every week. The only news service to do so.
The mayor is talking about the strike and he says that "it is very important that our children get back to school."
The reporter from KDNA (picture this in your mind, a long haird bearded hippy freak with a portable casset recorder) interupts and says, "Why?"
Yes, Mr. Mayor, shcool is a sacred cow. Why is the cow sacred.
Cervantes stammers a moment, ask to have the question repeated, and comes up with this gem, "one of the problems we have in the city is vandalism and when school is out vandalism goes up".
Ken: Some abortions may result from abuse by the parent or that is encouraged by the parent, and the parent may refuse to let the child have an abortion because it could expose that.
Yes, I'm sure someone who knocked up his own daughter would just love to have irrefutable, living proof of his crime hanging around. I'd love to leave it at that but I have to point out that Planned Parenthood has repeatedly declined to notify the authorities when abuse is evident so it doesn't matter anyway.
Meanwhile, those of us who aren't incestuous child rapists have a strong interest in being notified of the procedure, seeing as teenage pregnancy is evidence of irresponsible sexual behavior at best and child abuse at worst.
Wouldn't it just be laws against racial discrimination in social association?
And let me point out that althought most of us disfavor said type of discrimination, we wouldn't want it outlawed because, well, appearantly because we're not judges.
I have actually raised teenagers, and worked with them professionally. I've worked in a residential setting with the kids you describe. I will just note that the only ways even the best of parents and professionals can physically keep rebellious teenagers from sneaking out will get you justifiably cited for child abuse.
Some young people, even from good homes, just have to learn the hard way.
It actually seems the quality of the police department and whether they are complete dicks to teenagers is a more determinate factor in teenage behavior.
First, given an "earlier history" average lifespan of 35 single parenthood was common back then as well. Second, while the presence of a father in the house has many benefits the special ability to enforce a curfew for a rebellious son or daughter isn't one of them.
Yes, I'm sure someone who knocked up his own daughter would just love to have irrefutable, living proof of his crime hanging around.
Not letting the girl get an abortion delays the discovery for a while, even if the pregnancy ensures it will eventually be discovered. People put off problems for later all the time without having an idea of what they'll do when "later" comes.
Any teen worth the title, when asked after curfew what he or she was doing out past the curfew, would answer, "I'm on my way home from the planning meeting to protest the curfew."
The affirmative defense stated by the teen, if properly documented, would make an arrest or citation under the existing rule an act of police malfeasance, likely punishable.
There's only one government interest here that could justify the curfew, which is an effort to reduce crime by and against teens. The interests of minimizing the impact of the law on adults and allowing teens to have fun are served just as well or better by striking down the law as by upholding it. If the crime-prevention interest isn't sufficient to uphold the curfew, how can the state interest in having only a modest impact 16-yr-olds' ability to have fun can't save it? No impact is better still than a modest impact. A modest impact isn't a state interest in-and-of itself, but only antecedent to the desire to have a curfew law at all.
The NY Court concluded (right or wrong) that the crime-prevention interest wasn't enough to justify this curfew. Having reached that conclusion, what other state interests did they need to address? The two you mentioned only arise if crime-prevention is deemed a legitimate state interest to which the curfew is "substantially related."
Not arguing the merits, just the statistics, but shouldn't the number of teenagers out late versus number of teenagers not out late matter for utility purposes?
AKA There are 10,000 teens on the street during the day and 100 crimes versus 100 teens at night and 10 crimes.
However at the age of 18, it suddenly doesn't matter?
How about merely wearing a protest T-shirt?
It seems to me there is another State interest besides crime reduction that is glossed over.
The State runs the schools. The State has an obligation to provide an education. Doesn't that State have an interest that the child gets a reasonable amount of sleep on school nights so that they are in a proper frame of mind to learn. There is plenty of documentation to correlate learning and sleep deprivation. The ordinance could be extended to all that are students in their public school system, even reducing the time frame to 10pm even.
Cultures about education are interesting. 20 years ago when I was living in Japan, I noticed the high number of teens that were wearing school uniforms in the evening hours and how they would all disappear from the streets real early. So I asked about it. On school nights, students were required to wear their uniforms in public. They were only allowed unescorted in certain parts of their community based on the school that served that area. By 9pm they had to be home, unless they were with their parents, no exceptions. The uniforms were distinctive enough between schools that the police could tell at a glance whether the students were in the proper part of town or not. Justified because of the State interest in providing children an education, making sure they had reasonable sleep and time to complete their homework.
I will just note that the only ways even the best of parents and professionals can physically keep rebellious teenagers from sneaking out will get you justifiably cited for child abuse.
If you are at the point with your children that physical restraint is the only tool left at your disposal, you've already failed miserably.
Perhaps you should work on helping families not get to that point in the first instance.
In the age of MMORGS wouldn't such a restriction be extremely underinclusive?
Also by the age of 16, I was already attending college. This meant my class times were different than they would have been at the high school. Wouldn't such a restruction also be overinclusive if it failed to take into account the fact that the 16-17-year-old was not actually enrolled in the local high school and especially if it remained in force during the summer vacation?
How could such a law that would be that underinclusive and overinclusive be Constitutional?
You may be interested to read Alaska's curfew case, available here. If the link doesn't work, the citation is Treacy v. Municipality of Anchorage, 91 P.3d 252 (Alaska 2004). I have not read the New York case, but thought you might be interested to see a different take on a similar issue.
Works once or twice. Definitely won't work the 3rd time.
curfew laws are just an excuse to let the man(tm) harass innocent kids!
the only thing this case proves (yet again) is that people who don't understand statistics, should not make decisions based on their misunderstanding of statistics.
Doesn't that State have an interest that the child gets a reasonable amount of sleep on school nights so that they are in a proper frame of mind to learn. There is plenty of documentation to correlate learning and sleep deprivation. The ordinance could be extended to all that are students in their public school system, even reducing the time frame to 10pm even.
Jeez, talk about your nanny state. You're talking not just a curfew, but a state-imposed bedtime? What do we need parents for anymore?
If you can't explain your positions in logical terms without resorting to force then, ipso facto, you position is without rational merit.
That some parents (thankfully not mine) are unwilling to take the time to talk to their kids reasonably is a sad state of affairs. At that point, the relationship is entirely alien and ought to be dissolved entirely, since there is obviously no meaningful parent-child bond left.
That some parents (thankfully not mine) are unwilling to take the time to talk to their kids reasonably is a sad state of affairs.
There are few things more UNreasonable than a headstrong teen-ager. Sometimes, there is simply no reasoning with them. My daughter was one of them.
At that point, the relationship is entirely alien and ought to be dissolved entirely, since there is obviously no meaningful parent-child bond left.
I disagree. Our relationship survived it. My Late wife's and current wife's relationships with their (then) lunatic daughters survived it. I suspect most do. The rabid unreasonableness is, fortunately, not a constant. Teenagers can be quite sane in their better moments.
"If you can't explain your positions in logical terms without resorting to force"
My hometown in Illinois had an 11pm curfew for kids under 18. It was upheld as constitutional (federal constitution only) in 1990.
550 N.E.2d 12 (Ill. App. 1990).
I'm as much against stupid infringements of liberty as the next guy, but can't we get there without the Court styling itself a House of Lords to pass judgment on the decisions of City Governments on policy grounds, rather than Constitutional ones?
No more teaching to the test.
And the only was she could have grown out of it was by learning self-control. If you have any evidence to suggest that one can teach self-control by imposing external physical constraint, I'm eager to hear it, but it seems to me categorically impossible. Making a choice for someone is a crutch that prevents her from learning to make choices for herself.
The fact that parenting is difficult -- teenagers are unreasonable, it is expressly parents' job to teach them reason -- is hardly an excuse not to do it.
The rabid unreasonableness is, fortunately, not a constant. Teenagers can be quite sane in their better moments.
Those moments might even become learning experiences if they were used in a constructive way.
No, it's not. Sometimes a teenager will decide wrong, no matter how reasonable the contrary position is. My position is that it is better to let her make a mistake for herself than to prevent her from learning (and, in the process, bring yourself and your values into disrepute by enforcing them at the point of a blade).
I've spent a long time on college campuses and one thing that is readily apparent is which of the incoming students are capable of exercising judgment and which can't. Almost invariably, the latter group were the most sheltered in their high school years and missed on the opportunity to learn about negative consequences because they were never given the chance to make negative choices. You simply cannot have one without the other.
Fortunately, most colleges (at least in my sample) do a decent job "parenting" the freshman as they get used to the absence of constraints on their behavior and the concomitant requirement that they constrain themselves. It works alright, but it seems preferable to take the training wheels off sooner and more gradually and under the guidance of their actual parents.
PS: Steve, I had the unfortunate pleasure of growing up across the way in HP. My condolences.
I sense one of those situations in which ignorance and a judgmental attitude have collided.
And the only was she could have grown out of it was by learning self-control.
And sometimes you just have to wait it out and hope, try to exercise as much control as you can to avoid the larger tragedies.
Making a choice for someone is a crutch that prevents her from learning to make choices for herself.
In general, I agree with that, and it's the way my kids were raised. No cotton wool, here. But you must exercise come control, too. You try to do it with guidance and respect, but sometimes you need to take control. It gets harder even as it hopefully grows less necessary, as they get older.
You'll get no argument from me, there.
Those moments [of rabid unreasonableness] might even become learning experiences if they were used in a constructive way.
They have to survive them first.
I don't think we have a helluva lot of disagreement, here.
I think Proffessor Volokh's point about the probability calculation is well-taken. In order to find the small number of hours that have the greatest impact (and are least disruptive), one has to look at crime per hour within each hour, not just at crime for the "in" hours overall vs. "out" hours overall.
And there are other considerations. After all, traffic accidents cause more fatalities than homocides, but this does not mean that greater attention to and penalities for homocides are unjustified. The typical traffic accident is far less often fatal then the typical homocide or homocide attempt. Moreover, the difference between intentional and accidental behavior involves considerations not completely captured by comparing numeric tallies of fatalities. Preventing intentional fatalities is considered more highly valued than preventing unintentional fatalities.
One difficult with pseudo-quantitative approaches to judicial decision-making is that the value judgments involved, not being quantifiable, tend to get glossed over. Either the judge agrees with the value judgement, in which case he or she will simply incorporate it as an unstated assumption in the statement of the problem, or the judge will disagree, leading to it (as here) not being incorporated, and hence appear to be contradicted, by the numbers the judge's analysis arrives at.
we will curfew a population responsible for 10% of the problem, and ignored the 90%.
I say, if the curfew is necessary due to the crime rate, it necessarily must include adults.
Since that won't happen, what again is the reason to curfew the 10%?
That's why I asked if you've raised teenagers. I can indeed explain my positions "in logical terms." It's getting hormonally-challenged teenagers to listen to and appreciate logical explanations that's the trick.
My youngest daughter, from fifteen to about twenty, was simply convinced that she knew everything and her parents knew nothing. If there was a brick wall between her and what she wanted she had to run into it three times before she would concede it wasn't going to move.
Sometime during her 21st year she discovered that maybe Mom and Dad's experience did count for something and modified her learning style. She's now happily married, productively employed, and dreading the Mother's Curse: "May you have a child just like you."
My main point continues to be that it isn't necessary for parents to screw up to produce a rebellious child. I say that having worked with children where it was parental problems that led to the kid's emotional disturbance.
I was disputing your statement implying that if a teen is out after curfew the parents were "allowing" that behavior.
"May you have a child just like you."
I remember my father's belly laugh when I complained about something my son had done. Now I get to laugh at the children. Grandparents' revenge is sweet.
Passing teen curfews to "prevent crime", when most crime is in fact committed by people older than the curfew age and/or outside curfew hours, sounds to me similar to the drunk who searches for his lost keys under the street lamp even though that's not where he actually dropped them; it's where he can easily conduct such a search. Similarly, minors at late hours of the night are a group they can get away with restricting, so they do it whether or not it does any good.
"Almost invariably, the latter group were the most sheltered in their high school years and missed on the opportunity to learn about negative consequences because they were never given the chance to make negative choices."
As a high school teacher, I can confirm this from the other side. These things go in cycles, but we're definitely near the over-protective extreme.
Ah, I remember that question from the LSAT.


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