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4 Suspects in World Trade Center Before 9/11 Doing Construction?
See commentary and more links here. More videos at Core of Corruption.
Jonathan Elinoff calls into Kevin Barrett's radio program to reveal a story he is breaking about art students who lived in tents on the 90th floor of the World Trade Center. He claims they lived there illegally for months before the attack and that they were later arrested after 9/11 and detained as part of an Israel spy ring although they are Austrian and German. Elinoff claims that he has photos and that the "art students" had 3 or 4 tons of boxes, blue prints and maps of security check points.
I smell salmon or something...
How strange. Weird, Somethingk fisshy,,, verrry oddish dark forces surroundingk das WTC
event...
word verification YESSMO
Wooohooo
kenny's sideshow October 11, 2009 at 12:28 PM
I've changed the word verification so trolls won't have to take an extra step.
This should free up time to think about their next worthless comment.
No need Kenny, I'm a carpetlayer, steps are cool.There are 8 or nine steps involved in installing one step. Sometimes I'm stuck parking two blocks away, wheeling carpet and tools up the sidewalk with traffic ripping by. Can you imagine 110 stories of stairs? OMG
I'm still curious about those WTC rooms with banks of batteries...
willyloman October 11, 2009 at 4:10 PM
They are apparently an art group called Gelitin. They list on their website, aside from pictures of them standing around with semi-hardons, multiple "performances" and art openings in New York around that time, one of which in 2000 was listed at the World Trade Centers.
http://www.galerieperrotin.com/artiste_bio.php?menu=artists&&domaine=artists&&id=33&&nom_=Gelitin&&dossier=Gelitin&&photo_=Gelitin_33.jpg
wilyloman October 11, 2009 at 4:25 PM
more insight into this story here.
http://artoftheprank.com/2007/08/02/the-b-thing-by-gelitin/
apparently the idea was to get pictures of them all standing outside the 91st floor of the trade center. That's why they had all the boxes and that is why they kept tract of the security passes... didn't want security people seeing them removing the window cladding and the windows.
These guys have been doing their "art" for decades together. Many years since 911 and prior to 911. And aside from the fact that this took place in early 2000, these guys are clowns, not demolitions experts.
I am surprized that Core of Corruption fell for this.
But then again, the Core of Corruption "evidence" page seems to be dedicated to Jon Gold, a well known LIHOPer and hangout limiter over at 911 Blogger, so, this is not all that surprizing.
Jeff Rense covered this in 2003... odd that Core of Corruption just now catches onto it...
http://www.rense.com/general43/over41.htm
kenny's sideshow October 11, 2009 at 5:49 PM
That's why I put the ? on the title willy.
Thanks for the JG heads up. I hadn't gone that far into their website. Also for the rense article.
C of C has a number of MSM videos with the 'prior knowledge' angle. Sometimes that focus may be a tip off to LIHOPers and disinfo agents.
So is C of C 'poisoning the well,' with this artist story that may be easily debunked and so trying to cast doubt on the other Mossad activities of 9/11 that are often talked about?
Anyway, their MSM videos are important historical evidence of planted stories, they do contain some truth, to turn opinion to the 'incompetence' side. A lot of money has been spent to 'upgrade' homeland security because of that 'incompetence.' And it diverts attention away from the more core issues.
C of C.....controlled opposition?
I hope not but the 9/11 truth and anti-war movements are so often getting their hearts broken.
Haxxor 3337 October 11, 2009 at 9:40 PM
You ain't stopping shit hilljack this should give ya plenty of time to steal some worthless articles off the web.
I stole the Nobel mwaahaha
But hey I'm not greedy.
Sharing........
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willyloman October 12, 2009 at 6:17 AM
"So is C of C 'poisoning the well,' with this artist story that may be easily debunked and so trying to cast doubt on the other Mossad activities of 9/11 that are often talked about?"
Well, I would have to say, based on two things, that YES... C of C is poisoning the well on purpose.
1. It took me all of 60 seconds to find all the info about Gelitin... which clearly points to them having nothing to do with 911. So of course, why is it that C of C put together this entire video and during their process, they didn't come to the same conclusion? They would have to have come to the same conclusion. And you can see that they include and then dance around some of the same facts that I bring up.
So therefore, when they tie these guys into the "Israeli art students" or the "Mossad" agents who ADMITTED that they were there to "document the attack", what is C of C REALLY doing? They are exonerating the others by association.
2. The inclusion of Jon Gold's ridiculous LIHOP "LIST" that takes up the entirety of C of C's "evidence' page is remarkable. As if the ONLY evidence is that "evidence" that an obvious controlled opposition agent like Gold presents.
That is remarkable.
So I have to say, even though when their first video came out, I too posted it on my site, these guys are clearly controlled opposition. Without a doubt.
And lets face it. that is what "controlled opposition" does; they start out with something that gets people's attention and earns them credibility in the movement, then they "steer" the opposition in a direction that is counter productive.
I was once told by a regional leader of the Truth Movement, right after she sold us out for a FEMA reconstruction contract, that I shouldn't trust ANYONE in the Truth Movement once they gain even a LITTLE national attention. At the time I was deeply into exposing Steven Jones' "thermite/thermate/superthermite/nanothermate" misdirection campaign.
Her point was very simple: if the power behind this globalist agenda can corrupt and twist the hearts of senators, congressmen, generals, and presidents... exactly what do you think it can do to "activists"? What strength do you think they have that presidents and senators don't?
This is what explains your last statement...
"... the 9/11 truth and anti-war movements are so often getting their hearts broken."
The ones they can't corrupt (read as William Rodrequez), they will kill (read as Barry Jenkins).
I am glad you put this video up. We need to call out these C.O. ops whenever we can.
That's a little misleading... Rodrequez is meant as an example of one they CAN corrupt(now he says he doesn't support "controlled demolition"), Jenkins as one they couldn't(they killed him (or just vanished him) 2 days before the NIST report on Building 7 came out, Building 7 of course was the building Jenkins was in just prior to it's "collapse")....
kenny's sideshow October 12, 2009 at 6:54 AM
Dick Eastman at rense posted on this story today but without anything new.
http://www.rense.com/general87/14_1.htm
Greg Bacon October 12, 2009 at 6:55 AM
This is what I just LUV about the 9/11 'Truth' movement.
There are many who are convinced that they've unraveled the 9/11 mystery and that their interpetation and their's alone is the correct one and everyone else's is just bunk.
While all this catfighting is going on, the real 9/11 perps are living large in Zionist think tanks and prowling the DC cocktail circuit, laughing and slapping each other on the back for being so clever at manipulating people.
If we don't come together and learn to fight like one being, we're fucked.
P.S. Even the biggest lie usually has some truth in it to make it sound realistic and that's the kernels that need to be found and used.
I agree Greg,
Infighting is exactly what the cover up wants.
Now, how do we come together? That's a question that I certainly don't have an answer to.
Maybe you or Scott could put together something to address that?
I would have to agree. If you go back over the history of this movement you will find that the most vicious attacks on fellow Truth Advocates come from those who profess to want to control what topics are "safe" to discuss.
In the past these controlled opposition elements have gone after those of us who focus on the controlled demolition investigation, Building 7, as well as the question of what hit the Pentagon.
Take a look at Hoffman's site, Arabesques site, Truth Action, Jenny spark's site, and of course, Jon Gold and his people (many mentioned above) and they have exerted control over what is discussed at 911 Blogger.
More and more, real Truth Advocates are rejecting the trollish behavior of these individuals. They are rejecting them because up until now, we are losing. And I mean that, though it is certainl not a popular thing to say, but it is still, none-the-less, a fact we had better address.
When you say that even the biggest lie has some truth in it, I suppose you are suggesting that Muslim terrorists did in fact take over planes and attack us on 911? Is that a fair guess?
Let me address this in this way:
The Twin Towers could not have fallen the way they did without explosives. They were demoed, they didn't jsut "fall down".
Building 7 could not have fallen at speeds that reach free-fall velosity (as NIST finally admitted) without the use of explosives to move structural material out of the way... it is physically impossible...
Whatever hit the Pentagon was NOT a 757 flown by a Muslim extremist. There is no possible way that whatever was shown in the released Pentagon security video was a 757 flying level over the Pentagon lawn at over 500mph just a few off the ground. Impossible, didn't happen.
These are facts, that cannot be dismissed. They are not circumstantial evidence of patsies running around in the U.S., they are not someone's hearsay evidence that someone SAYS they heard...
they are, scientific, provable facts, not hearsay, not circumstantial evidence.
And THEY are the very things that the kinds of people I am talking about have been telling us for years "WE SHOULDN'T TALK ABOUT".
Do I think we have had enough of people like this? Absolutely.
Do I think they have done enough damage to our cause by convincing well meaning advocates like yourself to look the other way? Absolutely.
I mean, these people I have just listed have come out against people like David Ray Griffin simply because he makes reference to types of investigations that they don't like.
David Ray Griffin? Come on now. It's pretty obvious what they are when they start to slight David Ray Griffin.
No, it wouldn't be a fair guess and in fact, it's way off.
Some 'terrorists' were in those planes and someone helped them crash into the WTC and the Pentagon (I'm not getting into what crashed into the Pentagon, that's just another convenient distraction that could be used to prove the 9/11 truth movement as frauds)
Were Muslims 'jihadists' on those flights? Maybe but if they were, they were being used as pawns in a much larger scheme.
"(I'm not getting into what crashed into the Pentagon, that's just another convenient distraction that could be used to prove the 9/11 truth movement as frauds)" Greg Bacon
Ahhh, right... again the notion that the evidence or lack thereof at the Pentagon is all just an elaborate ruse designed to "suck us in' so that "they" can drop the bomb on us.
And this faith based theory is founded on what evidence exactly? I mean I am just curious.
What is the justification for the idea that if we look at the physical evidence of what did or did not hit the Pentagon,we will be struck down by the sudden release of all of those 80+ videos the FBI siezed right after the attack on the Pentagon?
"Some 'terrorists' were in those planes and someone helped them crash into the WTC and the Pentagon..." Greg Bacon
"in those planes".. like Griffin pointed out recently, I would love to hear your evidence to that one. Since there were no "terrorists" listed on the passenger manifests, and since the videos of them boarding don't seem to be there either, and since the only "evidence" that supports this claim comes from the "20th Hijacker Trial" and therefore... from the Bush/Cheney administration... I would love for you to illustrate exactly how you come to that conclusion.
For that matter, so would David Ray Griffin.
Let me give you an idea as to what you are saying actually does for the greater threat to us right now.
Since you and others claim that "jihadists" attacked us on 911 and were "helped" by some others... what you are actually doing is supporting the idea that the Global War on Terror does in fact have a legitimate foundation (since ultimately you seem convinced that the "jihadists" attacked us on 911).
Do you see how that SERVES the NWO?
Rather than having a completely fabricated "war on terror", your suggestion is that we have a REAL WAR ON TERROR and just a few traitors in our midst.
That really doesn't serve our best interests, in my humble opinion, nor does it take into consideration the relevant facts about what happened on 911.
My conclusion is based on facts.
Yours is based on the assumption that someone is "setting us up" with the Pentagon investigation.
Sorry, but I don't buy it. And you shouldn't either. I have read your work at your site. You are definately smarter than the Golds and Arabesques that promote such "faith based" controlled dissent.
Allow me one more attempt to express what I am most concerned about, Greg. And I will do so with someone's writing that is clearly a little better than my own.
"There is an astounding ignorance about the nature of propaganda and psychological operations ("Psy-Ops") in our society today. Those without an education in the matter may wonder aloud how a website that provides "dissident" material could possibly be an agent of the state that it allegedly opposes; "after all," these people will ask, "if GNN is with the state, why would it run anti-Bush headlines? Isn't "propaganda" something obvious, like the pro-military posters of the Second World War?" Well, yes, it can be; but propaganda – as disinformation – can manifest itself in many different, more complex ways. Recall that, in George Orwell's magnus opus 1984, there are two notable parties seemingly at war with each other: the tyrannical state, which controls all of the mainstream media in a very obvious, overbearing way, and the "Brotherhood," a band of anti-government rebels who subvert the state through open resistance and an underground literature trade. By the end of the book, it's revealed that both the state and the Brotherhood are controlled by the same interests, and the tension between the two is essentially fictional; while the state controls the majority through blatant propaganda and a forceful subversion of human intellectual faculties, the Brotherhood controls the minority who, for whatever reason, see beyond the more obvious propaganda. By creating an anti-government resistance movement, the government of 1984 – the original "Big Brother" – ensures its own complete control of its populace, for even those opposing it are simultaneously fighting for it, albeit unknowingly."
So you have the propagenda that is meant to control the population at large who will in fact believe anything they hear (the Glenn Beck and the Olberman fan bases)...
... you have propaganda working within the opposition that is meant to be discovered and discredited (Wood's "ray beams from space" or Reynolds "tv fakery")...
... and you have much more subtle and consistant control measures that are meant to last. These measures covertly distract opposition investigations while they subtly support the general thesis of the "greater war on terror".
Thank you Willy for proving my original post.
willyloman October 12, 2009 at 10:41 AM
What? That if we don't "come together we are fucked"?
Sorry, but I don't think it does us any good to ignore solid provable facts because someone somewhere suggests they are simply "a set up'.
That's illogical.
Especially when the people promoting that line of action are busy RIGHT THIS MOMENT undermining real truth advocates like David Ray Griffin...
http://911blogger.com/node/21600
Jon Gold commenting on the greatest mistakes of the Truth movement:
"You got that right...
And don't forget the introduction of catch phrases like "9/11 WAS AN INSIDE JOB," "FALSE FLAG ATTACK," "BLACK OPS," "NEW WORLD ORDER," as opposed to "SUPPORT THE 9/11 FAMILIES," "ASK QUESTIONS, DEMAND ANSWERS," "SUPPORT THE 9/11 FIRST RESPONDERS," and "EXPOSE THE 9/11 COVER-UP."
Sourcing holocaust deniers, racists, and bigots, and allowing them to speak at conferences, and represent 9/11 Truth.
Putting all of our eggs into one basket. A basket that still sounds crazy to a lot of people.
People promoting debunked theories.
I could go on."
With Mr. Gold constantly making the false equation of Truth advocates as "holacaust deniers", who needs Rumsfeld and Cheney?
So actually, no Greg, I did not prove your original point. Nor did I prove your point that the Muslim terrorists attacked us on 911.
We DO NEED to extricate the fake truth advocates from this movement and we do need to UNDO the damage that they have done, which is to further the notion that Muslim extremists attacked us on 911. The simple fact of the matter is, that just did not happen.
apollonian October 12, 2009 at 10:44 AM
Patriots Have To Get Serious Grip: We Know All We Need To Know About 9-11
(Apollonian, 12 Oct 09)
Hello Kenny: looks like u have lively discussion, this blog, on interesting new item, the "art students"--does this last detail change things or really add anything? I'd say it adds at most merely a slight new wrinkle, if that. All u really need do is place 9-11 in perspective of over-view and large history.
And note again the scientific method which looks at things (all details), then by induction proposes an overall theory, and finally cks everything to see if ALL the evidence fits that theory, and that it's best theory compared to any other theory.
Of course then it remains theory as time passes, and it has to stand up against any more evidence that's un-covered, and against any new theory. Such is science and inductive logic.
And note this (theorizing) isn't rocket-science, but rather the same old study and appreciation of history in general (also then socio-biology or sociology). And of course, remember I always feature CYCLIC theory, as of the "genius of the twentieth cent.," Oswald Spengler, and his monumental "Decline of the West."
Presently now I'm reading Griffin's book, "9-11 Contradictions," quite a devastating work. The great story of course, for Griffin is the INCREDIBLE effort of COVER-UP and mis-direction that's been done by 9-11 "commission"--and that's definitively revealing right there. Of course there's mass-corporate "Jews-media" too, which everyone knows about. So what more is really needed?
And just lately, note we had the G-20 meeting in Pittsburgh, Pa., these NWO vultures planning the demise of USA, specifically US Dollar, scheduled to collapse soon. Don't doubt when Dollar collapses, huge, horrific change will take place in USA--this is regardless of 9-11, which however is significant detail thereof. For 9-11 played great part in things which is leading to this demise of USA and its currency, 9-11 the excuse for horrific genocide in Iraq where over a million now have been mass-murdered by our Judaic and neo-con overlords.
So I submit to u, when u look at all things in historic over-view, u can see 9-11 episode best in perspective. Thus USA and its Constitution must be destroyed, finally and irrevocably.
And there are two main factions comprising topmost Judeo-conspirators, (a) the CFR-Bilderberg (see TheNewAmerican.com and AugustReview.com for expo/ref.) bankers and COUNTERFEITERS (see RealityZone.com, TheMoneyMasters.com, and JudenFrei.org for expo/ref. on US Federal Reserve [Fed] fraud) behind the United Nations (UN), these playing "leftists," behind Obama/Soetoro, and then (b) the Zionist/Israelis who, along with "Judeo-Christian" (JC--see Whtt.org and TruthTellers.org for expo/ref.) hereticalist morons, play the "rightists," these then comprising the large charade for "Jews-media," "good-cops vs. bad-cops," for so many TV-addicts in USA.
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Another slight "wrinkle" is that lots of top "zionists" play a double game, as so many of them are also members of CFR-Bilderberg, like the "neo-cons." Thus one understand Zbignief Brzezinski's recent statement about denying Israeli air force jets to over-flying Iraq to bomb Iran.
Thus there's basically only one more stage we have to go through--and it's very crucial for these topmost conspirators--that stage being up-coming HYPER-INFLATION, which will finally, definitively destroy US Dollar, rendering USA literally a third-world country. Note we have practically no heavy industry or significant manufacturing left in USA, literally.
Obvious problem w. Greg Bacon is he's just another one of those who pretends there are "good Jews," like there are "good" Talmudists, like there are "good" psychopaths. Bacon isn't "anti-semitic," as he pretends so righteously--he's just anti-zionist--these people just fool themselves, thus playing Jews' game.
Kenny, I submit to u, ENTIRE 9-11 "truth movement" is a joke and farce, for everything u need to know is entailed in Ed Steele's (see ConspiracyPenPal.com) motto, "it was Jews, stupid." There's no such thing as "good Jew." What USA needs is Jew-Expulsion, for only that will achieve a real cultural revolution which is what USA so desperately needs.
The only thing to bring folks together is something SENTIMENTAL, as so few people are capable of independent intellect.
And main problem then for bringing folks together in USA is afore-mentioned JCs, slaves of Israel, who bleat like sheep that Christ was "Jew" (hence Talmudist), confusing poor people for distinction btwn Jew Talmudists and the Judean people, descended fm original Israelites.
So comrade Ken, the only things left for 9-11 "truth movement" is insignificant DETAILS, that's all. U already know EVERYTHING u really need to know. And if there's ANYTHING u still think u need to know, I challenge u or "Willy Loman" to say what that is. 9-11 "truth movement" is itself just a DIVERSION.
CONCLUSION: Only thing left to be done is to save USA fm Jews and NWO, this by means of saving US Dollar--which can still be done, don't doubt, though time is running. Interest rates will have to be raised, as under Paul Volker (who is a Jew), and USA will have to pull out of Iraq/Afgan, as well as NATO and UN, and this will require serious anti-semitism--some REAL CHRISTIANITY. "It's Jews, stupid." Honest elections and death to the Fed. Apollonian
and of course, right on time, we have an anti-Semetic rant (ie. "the Jews did it") in perfect timing to prove Jon Gold's point... that we are just a bunch of holocaust deniers and anti-Semites.
What a coincidence.
"We DO NEED to extricate the fake truth advocates from this movement and we do need to UNDO the damage that they have done, which is to further the notion that Muslim extremists attacked us on 911." -"Willy Loman," October 12, 2009 10:41 AM
Perspective, Context Is Entire Key To Things Regarding 9-11
"Willy," u need to explain what actual "damage" has been allegedly "done"--there's nothing significant, I assure u. A free press accomplishes everything u pretend u need. HONESTY is then the only thing u need fm individual people, along w. a little skill for INDUCTION and then scientific-type analysis.
"[E]xtricate the fake truth advocates..."?--ck Gosp. JOHN 8:44 on Jews: "Ye are sons of ur father the devil, father of lies...."
So all u gotta do now is remove (a) Jews and (b) those dumb gentiles who sympathize w Jews.
"Willy," the main, principle thing u need to do for urself is to simply observe the MAIN, PRIMARY "game," so-to-speak which is going on--as it has throughout history: COUNTERFEITING which mechanism/operation then controls everything else. See RealityZone.com, etc.
Thus u see we've had these ABSOLUTE criminal conspirators in charge of USA empire now since 1913--almost a hundred years.
CONCLUSION: And u think anything else of criminal nature could or would happen without topmost COUNTERFEIT conspirators' knowledge? It's u, "Willy Loman," wherein the problem lies. Get a clue, comrade. Honest elections and death to the Fed. Apollonian
ZIHOPers, much like LIHOPers, suffer from the same problem; you can't get past the symptom to see the real illness.
The illness isn't limited to one group ("Muslim jihadists") or the other ("Zionists") though there may be infected parties in both (Bin Laden did serve the CIA's interests in Afghanistan and Silverstein did profit from 911). But these are symptoms of the illness, not it's root cause.
For that, we have to look much closer to home.
Explain this to me: what is the difference between Israel's Zionism and our historical plight of "Manifest Destiny"? Is there one? Really?
The truth is, zionism plays a small part in this, but no more really than christianity, or Islam, or Atheism, in my opinion.
This isn't about religon.
"Willy" Begs Question, Fails To Address Inductive Evidence
"Willy," u protesteth too much. Ur fallacy is that of question-begging (presumption)--for what's wrong w. "anti-semitism" which is mere obedience to God?
And don't forget Christ was anti-semitic (anti-Talmud, as Gosp. MARK 7:1-13).
Finally "Willy," note u need to address specific pt.s of my orderly detailed argument and theorizing.
For all inductive evidence pt.s to Jews, esp. the topmost conspirators, as I note, e.g., the "Jews-media," and 9-11 commission whose director was noneother than Zelikov, the Jew neo-con.
Then there was Silverstein, owner of WTC; the Jew/Israeli "security" companies which controlled all the airports as well as WTC; then there were the "dancing Israelis" who had cameras set-up before first 9-11 hit, Chertoff (Jew) then letting them go back to Israel. And don't forget all Chris Bollyn's material, Jews occupying all the key "gate-keeper" positions.
Note then, given this evidence, Jews must disprove they should be top suspects--such is necessary inductive/investigative method, no? Talk to us, "Willy."
CONCLUSION: And then do Jews disprove?--of course not; rather, they just try to intimidating people with a false religion to effect we cannot be anti-semitic--like u, eh? Does this material and info all confirm the inductive hypothesis, or what?--tell us. Honest elections and death to the Fed. Apollonian
apollonian October 12, 2009 at 12:32 PM
Scientific Theory Needs Logic, But Also Aesthetics, Context, And Proportion
"Willy," u seem to have huge problem w. fallacy of question-begging (presumption) among other things logical and proportional:
(a) Note that when u say, "...you can't get past the symptom," u seem to offer this as a premise which people should just accept on the way to ur subsequent conclusion. But "symptom" is precisely something u MUST PROVE first before u try to use it as premise to conclusion.
(b) Same question-begging goes for ur "...illness isn't limited to one group"--in addition, it's almost entirely irrelevant except for fact Jews do indeed require the help of significant gentile faction, esp. afore-mentioned "Judeo-Christian" (JC) accomplices.
(c) Similarly, ur pretended and false analogy of zionism w. "manifest destiny" is not only gross anachronism, but it also is rather irrelevant.
(d) Similarly regarding "religion," ur statement is just more question-begging. For Jew Talmudism (see RevisionistHistory.org, TruthTellers.org, and Come-and-hear.com for best Talmudic expo) is indubitably something to be examined and considered as it is used by Jews to excuse lying, cheating, and murdering gentiles throughout history as numerous respectable people have pt'd out, including many Jews too.
CONCLUSION: So "Willy," u've got a huge problem w. basic logic itself, aside fm ur more aesthetic inability to seeing things in perspective and historical context, e.g., the USS Liberty incident (see UssLiberty.org). 9-11 must be seen in context w. larger Jew COUNTERFEIT conspiracy, for example, again. Honest elections and death to the Fed. Apollonian
willyloman October 12, 2009 at 12:54 PM
Do you think it's really a good idea Kenny to have someone spouting this kind of stuff on your website? Especially when his name links to his site, where he says, on the front page...
"Yes, once the jews have been destroyed we will have traitors galore to deal with but we will once again have the opportunity to restore this country to it's foundations."
"... once the jews have been destroyed..."?
apollonian October 12, 2009 at 1:05 PM
"Willy," Wiggles And Squirms--Confirms For His Lack Of Logic, Honesty
"Willy": why not just address the relevant, pertinent issues which have been brought--rather than introducing "red-herrings"--just like a Jew, eh? Honest elections and death to the Fed. Apollonian
OK, A....
We have had this conversation before. I don't want to go to moderation of comments or delete them. Just a few guidelines. Anything that can be perceived as hate speech or inciting violence is not acceptable. Civility is a good attribute. I don't want to have to go back to google to try and get this very minor blog reinstated as I did a couple of months ago. You know where that line is, no one has to tell you. Fair enough?
willy obviously is not familiar with you or he would have just left it alone. You love these debates or what some may call pissing contests that accomplish nothing. You notice that Greg did not respond to you.
And thanks to willy's last comment, I guess I found in a search where you have a forum at GA. If we want to read your latest we can go there. No need to repeat them here and no need to stir something up that we've heard over and over. It doesn't change peoples' minds about anything.
"Trolls" Are Often Heroes
Okay Ken: but note how "Willy" talks about the "subverters" in the "truth movement"--and then what does he do?--just like Jews and trolls--though trolls do provide a certain service as if there's a weakness in ur argument, they probe for it, the best of them finding it, even if only out of luck, making recipient then to complain so pathetically.
And note "Willy" really doesn't have even the slightest sense of logic--do u think he's really a female?
"Greg Bacon"?--don't forget there's yet another possibility for ur observation on his not replying--he simply knows what I say about him is the plain truth. Another thing is Bacon really and truly is the hysterical Pharisaic type who really does pretend to that pathetic self-righteousness--I can just see him sulking and pouting--my heart bleeds, as u can imagine.
And how, comrade Ken, do u pretend to knowing what affects or "changes" people's minds?--it could be anything, u never can be too sure. For what is it that actually happens to "change minds"?--it's called INDUCTIVE LOGIC, comrade--like when that apple fell to the ground near Newton when he was out reading his book.
CONCLUSION: Consider most honestly, comrade Ken--confirmed anti-semite as I am, do u think I'd very much lament ur losing ur Jew-overseen site on a Jew over-seen and -sensitive network? My heart sure would bleed for u, wouldn't it? Honest elections and death to the Fed. Apollonian
Israel and US intelligence planned this for decades . . . who cares bc the USA is dead stupid no chance of justice ever congress a bunch of bought off thieves whatever just wait for their next "event"
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City Council Revenue Budget 2016/17
Yesterday, I submitted my amendments to the Dundee City Council budget meeting, aimed at tackling some of the worst effects of the SNP's austerity cuts.
Had I won the vote, my amendment would have scrapped the proposed large increases in car parking charges across the city, garden maintenance charges for elderly and disabled people would not have imposed this year and frozen until a fair charging system based on ability to pay is put in place, and there would have been a less severe cut in roads maintenance and street lighting than the SNP is imposing.
My additional expenditure to stop car park charges and cuts in garden maintenance for the elderly and disabled and roads and street lighting maintenance would have been paid for by modest cuts in non-controversial areas such as equipment, furniture, contract care hire, catering and hospitality – these reductions being spread right across the council to lessen the impact in each department.
I was not fooling myself that it is in any way possible to stop the worst effects of the SNP austerity cuts. The bottom line is that John Swinney has taken an axe to local government this year and Dundee faces terrible cuts of £23 million this year. However, I think my budget amendment did help in a number of vital areas. It is not in the city's economic interests to see car parking hiked this year. Nor should elderly and disabled people on low incomes be charged for garden maintenance as the SNP is doing. I also tried to stop the worst of the roads maintenance and street lighting cuts.
Although I lost the vote, I was at least the only opposition councillor to propose an alternative budget. Labour – with ten councillors – failed to propose any alternative budget whatsoever.
The administration did at least agree to a working group I had proposed to look at garden maintenance charges being based on ability to pay.
However, the overall budget outcome is bad news for Dundee's local services without any shadow of a doubt.
Budget, Dundee City Council
Earlier tonight, the City Council's first main committee meetings on 2016 took place and Policy and Resources Committee was dominated by a report on the local government financial settlement for the forthcoming financial year.
The report from council officers correctly points out :
The outcome of the Westminster Spending Review was announced by the Chancellor of the Exchequer on 25 November 2015. The Scottish Budget totals show a cash increase of £1 billion (3.3%) between 2015/16 and 2019/20, largely due to the Barnett consequentials of changes to other Whitehall departmental budgets. When adjusted for projected inflation, however, this represents a real terms reduction of 4.1%. For 2016/17, the year-on-year cash increase is £0.5 billion (1.7%), which represents a standstill budget in real terms.
However, despite being given "a standstill budget in real terms" in terms of the Scottish Block from Westminster, John Swinney, the Scottish Government Deputy First Minister and Cabinet Secretary for Finance, Constitution and the Economy is wielding the axe to local government, with a cut of £350 million, which results in Dundee City Council facing cuts of some £23 million in the next year.
I have been a member of the council for nearly 15 years and this financial settlement is by far the worst I have ever seen. The claims of Scottish Government Ministers to be "anti-austerity" can now be seen for the wholly empty rhetoric it is and I do not under-estimate the scale of the financial disaster Scottish Government is imposing upon vital local services.
Tonight, I moved the following amendment at committee – unfortunately the council administration voted it down, despite the fact that I purposely wrote it in a manner designed to be consensual and non-confrontational :
Policy and Resources Committee : 11th January 2016 : Item 3 (a)
Amendment by Councillor Fraser Macpherson
Add an additional recommendation :
2.8 Instructs the Chief Executive to write to the Deputy First Minister and Cabinet Secretary for Finance, Constitution and the Economy expressing the council's deep concern at the inadequate level of revenue and capital funding allocations for 2016, indicating the council's disquiet that the Deputy First Minister and Cabinet Secretary for Finance, Constitution and the Economy is proposing that local government bears a disproportionate share of government funding reductions in 2016/17 and requesting that the Deputy First Minister and Cabinet Secretary for Finance, Constitution and the Economy reviews the position with a view to increasing local government revenue and capital funding allocations for 2016/17.
Council Budget meeting
Earlier today, I participated in the City Council's Annual Budget Setting meeting at which I was the only opposition councillor to propose an amendment (and – I would argue – improvement) to the Capital Budget. I also proposed an amendment to the Revenue Budget.
The budget papers can be accessed here. My revenue budget amendment was as follows:
Approves the budget savings totalling £3,310,000 as shown in the Administration Group's motion with the following amendments:
Savings to be Deleted
Education: Restructure of Young Mum's Unit (Menzieshill High School) £ 44,000
Environment: Major Service Redesign and Rationalisation of Ground
Maintenance and Street Cleansing Operations * £ 157,000
Environment: Review of Bowling Green Provision £ 30,000
*Major Service Redesign and Rationalisation of Ground Maintenance and Street Cleansing Operations – this proposes no introduction in 2015/16 only, but further proposes establishment of an all-party working group, including officers, to determine possible proposals for 2016/17 onwards. Such a working group to be established by March 2015 and report by August 2015.
Savings to be Added
Various Savings £ 231,000
The purpose of my amendment was to avoid a detrimental change to the Young Mum's Unit – the SNP administration proposed removal of the Principal Teacher's post; to stop cuts in the city's street cleaning service and grounds maintenance and to avoid the closure of Victoria Park and Baxter Park Bowling Greens.
It was unsurprising that the SNP administration was not for listening and pushed these cuts through but the position of the Labour Group was, frankly, astonishing. Having "borrowed" savings I had identified and trying to pass them off as their own in their own amendment, Labour then failed to support my amendment.
The only conclusion one can draw from that is that Dundee Labour is comfortable with the SNP's West End and Baxter Park Bowling Green closures and the cuts in street cleaning, as Labour did not attempt to reverse these SNP cuts in their own amendment.
SNP and Labour also failed to support my Capital Budget amendment (in fact, in a Capital Budget of £195 million over the next three years, Labour had no amendment at all of their own).
My amendment was as follows :
This would have increased roads resurfacing in Dundee by £550 000 over the next three years and provided for a budget for new bus shelters where they are required.
An opportunity lost I feel.
Save Victoria Park Bowling Green
I have today issued a last minute appeal in advance of this Thursday's City Council Budget Meeting to save the Victoria Park Bowling Green in the West End but also the Baxter Park Bowling Green, both facing the axe by the SNP council administration.
The council claims that these bowling greens could be better used so they intend to axe them but the council itself has failed to properly promote the greens and their availability for local people to use. If the council had been more proactive in advertising these bowling greens, they would been better used.
In the West End, we are lucky to have excellent private bowling clubs like Hillcrest and Balgay, but for people unable to afford an annual subscription or residents just wanting an occasional game without a recurring subscription, council bowling greens provide that facility. The bowling green at Victoria Park has a lovely setting and it would be a crying shame to see it dismantled.
I have submitted a budget amendment that council officers agree is legally competent and this would save both Victoria Park Bowling Green and the one at Baxter Park. I call upon all the West End councillors to support efforts to save Victoria Park Bowling Green.
My budget amendment also stops the SNP's proposed reduction in street cleaning services and the highly controversial SNP proposals to restructure the Young Mum's Unit at Menzieshill High School.
The bowling greens can and must be saved and I hope common sense with prevail at the budget meeting on Thursday.
Budget, Victoria Park
As reported in both the Evening Telegraph and the Courier, I have submitted draft proposals to council officers that would seek to remove some of the worst of the budget cuts the Dundee SNP administration proposes to make.
These SNP cuts include a reduction in street cleaning services, the closure of the Victoria Park bowling green and Baxter Park bowling green, closing the DUN.C.A.N. anti-crime project and the highly controversial SNP proposals to restructure the Young Mum's Unit at Menzieshill High School.
I am keen to see the worst of the SNP cuts being rejected and have looked to find alternative savings that would ensure the highly successful DUN.C.A.N. anti-crime project does not close, street cleaning is not cut back, bowling greens are not closed and the Young Mum's Unit does not suffer detrimental cuts.
I have asked council finance officers to look at the legality and competency of my alternative savings which would not impact detrimentally on vital services and I thereafter aim to present these at the budget meeting on 12th February.
Proposal to save Early Year Practitioner Posts in Dundee Primary Schools
I am pleased to say that I have identified alternative savings that can be made to Dundee City Council's proposed revenue budget that would to save Early Year Practitioner Posts in Dundee Primary Schools.
My alternative budget savings proposal has been approved by Chief Officers as financially and legally competent and I am now calling for all parties on the council to work together to save these posts that he says provide vital work in Dundee's primary schools.
The SNP administration has proposed moving these staff to nursery schools in order that the salary costs can be funded from Dundee's share of the funding Scottish Government is making available to fund extra nursery hours.
The extra hours in nurseries is a good thing and, indeed, my party leader Willie Rennie MSP has been campaigning for this over a long period of time, but it is hugely disappointing that the SNP council administration in Dundee is aiming to provide these hours by taking away a much-valued and needed resource for Primary One children. Why do they think it is acceptable that Primary One pupils in Dundee should lose out?
My proposals will allow for the continuation of Early Years Practitioners in Primary Schools and the increased nursery hours and I urge all parties on the council to work together to achieve that. It can be paid for by taking quite modest savings over a variety of areas including hospitality budgets, some furniture and equipment budgets reductions in subscriptions, a reduction in waste funds, advertising, catering and printing.
I hope there will be cross-party agreement to accept my proposal for the benefit of the young people in the city's primary schools.
City Council Budget 2013-14 : An opportunity missed
At yesterday's City Council Budget meeting :
* On the Capital Budget, I proposed not going ahead with yet more new council offices and instead proposed that it be spent on improving Dundee's roads and on further improving the city's primary schools. Although I had the support of the Conservative, Independent and Labour members, the SNP administration voted this down. I regret that, in voting through millions on new council offices over schools and better roads, this speaks volumes about the priorities of the SNP administration.
* On the Revenue Budget, I proposed scrapping the SNP education cuts that will result in increased class sizes in S1 and S2 English and Mathematics classes in five of our nine secondary schools. My rather modest proposals (in terms of a £337m budget) to pay for this would have had no effect whatsoever on service provision but were opposed by the SNP and Labour failed to support them. The SNP also opposed my proposal to give Fairer Scotland Funding to the West End Ward and the Ferry Ward and, again, Labour failed to support this.
There is a serious point to be made about Fairer Scotland funding. The council allocates it in an arbitrary way – six wards benefit (with no weighting by size or poverty levels); two wards get nothing, as if no social exclusion at all exists anywhere in the West End or Broughty Ferry. Labour and SNP seem to fail to appreciate this point and are failing to stand up for the people of the West End and Broughty Ferry.
I have suggested to the SNP administration that allocating this funding by % of lowest income households per ward is the fair way to allocate these funds in the future. The ball is now firmly in the SNP administration's court.
I will continue to campaign for fair funding for the West End, just as I have always done over the 12 years I have represented the West End on the City Council.


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Q: "Parameter not valid" error when trying to save the image converted from byte currently I am testing a script that tries to save an image file converted from a string of HEX, however, when I try to execute the Save command, parameter not valid appears.
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Currently I am still in the process of looking what causes this, please advice.

A: It seems you need convert incoming string from Base64 to byte array like this:
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A: As was  mentioned in the comments, your bitmap format is wrong, all you have is some random hex data and the Bitmap.FromStream method has no idea what to do with it. If you look at this link which discusses how to create a bitmap file with a hex editor it discusses the BitmapHeader, BitmapInfoHeader, and the Pixel RGB Data. I was able to create a bitmap using your code by taking the data from their example and using it.
string bitmapHeader = "424D860000000000000036000000";
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In Memoriam: Aretha Franklin
Written by Jon Williams
The music world lost a legend last week with the passing of the Queen of Soul, Aretha Franklin. She was 76.
While Aretha's mother passed at a young age, her father was a well-known minister, giving her exposure to influential gospel singers of the time, including Mahalia Jackson and Clara Ward, both of whom served as role models. Aretha began touring and performing with her father when she was just 12, and her first single was released when she was 14. She stuck with gospel until she was 18, at which time she moved to New York with hopes of breaking into the pop music world. Her first secular album, Aretha: With the Ray Bryant Combo, was released early in 1961, just before her 20th birthday.
The rest, as they say, is history. She went on to have one of the great careers of all time, recording such iconic, instantly recognizable hits as "Respect," "(You Make Me Feel Like) A Natural Woman," and "I Say a Little Prayer," among so many others. In 2008, music authority Rolling Stone named her the greatest singer of all time. With a career that spanned more than five decades, her influence is legendary, inspiring generations of singers and musicians with her talent and powerful performances. Some of these notable names include Whitney Houston, Beyonce, and Jennifer Hudson, who Franklin herself chose to play her in an upcoming biopic.
We join the music and pop culture worlds in mourning the monumental loss of Aretha Franklin. SmartBrowse her name on our website to find a number of collections of her music, as well as a few related audiobooks and films (including her incredible performance in the classic comedy The Blues Brothers). Patrons can also check out her wonderful music, including a broad collection of original albums, on hoopla digital.
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Pledge of Allegiance. Also present Supervisors Mike McCullen and Gary Vink, Treasurer Patrice Winfield, Clerk Paul Raymond and Grader Operator Alden Shute.
CLERK'S REPORT: Paul read the record of the December Board Meeting. Gary moved to approve; Mike seconded.
ROAD REPORT: Alden did maintenance on the grader, replacing the hydraulic line. He said Gus Roberts has some almost new tire chains for the grader for $200 a set; ours are wearing out. The meter on the fuel tank froze and needs to be replaced; he said it's not urgent but we won't know how much fuel the fire trucks use.	He has concerns about damage to the grader from overhanging trees, some on private drives, especially when they are heavy with snow and ice.
Escrow: Alden had Sauder Logging pay Patrice $500 escrow for logging on South Duncan Road.
Late Snowplowing Payments: A citizen asked to be signed up after our big snowstorm last week. There were some extenuating circumstances for him not paying before the first big snowstorm. There was a long discussion on policy and if the board should make an exception for this citizen. Mike at first argued for the exceptional reasons this person may be allowed to pay two months late even after we had a big snowfall. Glen was concerned about making exceptions and the precedent it could set, which could get the township in future trouble. He said this property under the previous owner had been plowed every year and this person ought to have known that plowing wasn't free; he himself had paid for plowing in past years. Our notice was published and posted and on the internet well before fees were due. Gary moved to allow this person this time to pay late. There was no second to the motion. Tabled.
Fire Hall Furnace Repair: Alden had the man from Federated out and they replaced the four burners on the grader side of the fire-hall. There was a birds nest in the pipe, but they think the terrible smell was from the bad burners in the grader side. The fans were also running 24 hours, even with the heat off, so our electric bill was much larger than usual. We will screen the pipe to prevent birds. Federated sent a bill for $240 for the work. They also checked the fire department side furnace since they're the same age and are 20 or more years old, and said it's ok for now, but Mike said next year we need to replace those burners also.
OLD BUSINESS: New Fence-line by Hall: Duane Glienke told Glen that he did move it one foot over and that he's willing to move it more if the township or fire department pays rental of his land of $100 per year. Mike was delegated to talk with Duane and negotiate how far he is willing to move it, and that he could tell Duane the fire department and township will pay the rental if he moves it. Mike didn't get a chance, plus he needed to get some wood from Duane so it wasn't the right time. Mike said those posts are frozen in solid so there won't be any moving until spring.
NEW BUSINESS: DSL Internet Coming: Centurylink has ditched fiber-optic cable for DSL internet all the way to Duxbury on Tamarack River Road and down Markville Road and are installing pedestals. Paul and Patrice got calls from a man on River Cabin Road asking if the broadband would come down their road. Glen said if you go to the CenturyLink.com website and click internet, you can already sign up for installation and you can input your address to see if it is available to you already. He said most of our town, including River Cabin Road, is ready now and this man can sign up if we can find him.
County-wide Zoning Ordinance: Mike and Gary were going to represent Wilma at the working session at the Pine County Courthouse on Monday December 17th for townships participating in the drafting of the proposed ordinance, but they weren't able to go.
MAT L & R Meetings: Two days, February 20 and 21 at the Best Western Hotel in St. Paul. Patrice said she will go, and will stay at the motel since she can't stay with her father. She has already lobbied the legislature and knows many of the officials. Paul said the new Minnesota Township News has a story (p. 40) about why it is so critical for townships to lobby the legislature: Multi-subject bills are illegal in Minnesota's Constitution but still the legislature passed many omnibus bills and when the Governor vetoed one of them, the Mega-Omnibus Supplemental Budget Bill, it also eliminated township bills that had nothing to do with the veto, which eliminated financial support for town road accounts, local bridge replacement funding, the broadband grant program, and other vital township priorities.
Board of Audit for 2018 Books: Glen moved to schedule the board February 6, before the February board meeting. Mike seconded; passed. Paul and Patrice need to meet to coordinate and cross-check books before the audit.
March Township Election/Designated Polling Place: Glen moved to designate the Wilma Town Hall as our polling place this year. Glen and Patrice are up for re-election. Filing opened today and ends January 15, call the clerk 245-2579. Glen and Patrice filed Affidavits. On the last day, January 15, Deputy Clerk Toni Williamson will be open for affidavits by appointment, 245-0603. Election and annual meeting is March 12, 2019. Glen and Patrice paid the $2 filing fee.
2019 Garbage Pickup Schedule: Copies available and posted on websites. Glen will put a notice not to put garbage out a week before the date since crows and coyotes will tear it up and it makes an unsightly mess.
Eagle Head Fire Station Plowing: Mike said he needed to get the brush rig out of the Eagle Head garage and it had not been plowed after two storms. Alden said he will get to it. He has to go up to Tamarack Pine Drive because the school bus said they couldn't drive on that road yesterday.
Duxbury Store Cigarette License: 2019 cigarette license due for renewal. $10. Paul forgot the forms, but Glen said he'd sign it when we had it.
Treasurer's Report and Claims: Patrice gave the Treasurer's Report (attached to record); Total bills for November, $2,659.95, requiring a transfer of $2,700. Gary moved to approve the Treasurer's Report and to transfer the funds. Mike seconded.
Alden, the grader operator will post here on this website by 10 pm, the night before, if the roads and driveway will be plowed, the next day.
Gary moved to adjourn; Mike seconded. Meeting adjourned 8:45 p.m.
Chairman Glen Williamson called the meeting to order at 7:30 p.m. with the Pledge of Allegiance. Also present Supervisors Mike McCullen and Gary Vink, Treasurer Patrice Winfield, Clerk Paul Raymond, Grader Operator Alden Shute, and Pat Story.
CLERK'S REPORT: Paul read the record of the November Board Meeting. Gary moved to approve; Mike seconded.
ROAD REPORT: Alden changed the oil and did maintenance on the grader. Tamarack Pine Drive Damage: Anderson Recycling is hauling scrap metal and big pieces from the Vink Ponds on Tamarack Pine Drive. We billed them for damage to the road. Alden had said he thought our $150/hour fee was excessive, but in reevaluating it he agreed that for repair work on damaged roads we should bill the full fee for a minimum of one hour. They have not paid our bill yet.
Culvert Workshop: Alden attended the workshop on November 8, at the Pine Co. History Museum, Askov. They covered the effects of culverts on fisheries; hydrology and culverts and the design and installation of culverts.He said we only have two culverts that were relevant for the training, on Pete Anderson and Heller Roads but it was a worthwhile training.
Fire Hall Furnace Repair: Alden had the man from Federated out and they need to replace the four burners on the grader side of the fire-hall. He estimates about $200 for the work. Mike told him to have them also check the fire department side furnace, since they're the same age and are 20 or more years old. Alden said he will notify Mike when the work is done so he can park the brush rig there.
Schmedeke Lane: Dennis called Glen to complain that no pit-run had been put down at the end of the Schmedeke Lane extension and cul-de-sac. Alden said it was too muddy, so he has to wait until it warms up and dries out. When he can he will put 6 – 8 loads of pit run, topped by 2 -3 loads of class 5 gravel.
OLD BUSINESS: New Fence-line by Hall: Glen spoke with Duane Glienke and he said he did move it one foot over. He's willing to move it more, if the township or fire department pays rental of his land of $100 per year. Mike was delegated to talk with Duane and negotiate how far he is willing to move it, and that he can tell Duane the fire department and township will pay the rental if he moves it.
Town Hall upgrade: Drilling Electric has completed their work at an estimate of $5,500 but have not billed us yet. Mike will do the stage project when it warms up; he can't apply poly until warm weather when the hall can be ventilated. He will rent a sander. The fire department will try to get big utility carts for the grills from Minnesota Surplus and the fire department will get rubber mats for the floor so those making pancakes can stand for hours. Electric grill needs a new plug and big gas grill needs the knob fixed. Insulate Hall: Up North Insulation put down fly-repellent insulation 12" deep, R42 value and billed $1,750. They did put foam in the slope and put in at least one vent and will do the other when it is warmer. They could not caulk because the caulk would not take in the cold, and will do it next Spring. They gave an estimate to spray the exterior of the building with a fly repellent insecticide for $162. Mike said we can deal with that next spring.
MAT Educational Conference and Meeting: Was November 15 – 17 at the DECC in Duluth. Glen and Paul attended. (We will get $200 scholarships each from the County Township Officers.) Theme: Powering Our Future: How the electrical grid affects people in our township and how power is allocated and how problems are handled, plus precautions for natural or human caused disasters. Glen said it was very valuable training but too many sessions and workshops and round-tables were scheduled at the same time. Paul had the same problem, trying to attend all the clerk's and CTAS workshops plus all the round tables. Workshops on utilities in township rights-of-way; record keeping;payroll account coding, and round tables with MN Board of Firefighters, the DNR, road maintenance and culverts.. Paul sat at the round tables with MN Board of Firefighters and got good info for the department plus the application for the Minnesota surplus services; Glen said everyone at the MN Board and State Fire Marshall's office know Pat and they have a lot of respect for the growth and progress of our department. Next year's conference is in Mankato, then for three years in St. Cloud.
NEW BUSINESS: DSL Internet Coming: Century link has ditched fiber-optic cable for DSL internet all the way to Duxbury on Tamarack River Road and are installing pedestals. Pat said he has tried to contact both Century Link and Century Tel because his home is on the Wisconsin side of the phone companies, served by Century Tel. He said the cut-off seems to be at River Cabin Road, but there are many homes further including Lost River Road. Glen gave Pat a contact person, Dana Mackenzie, Director of the Office of Broadband Development, 651/259-7611.
Tri-township Disposal District Increase: Gary said the garbage board voted to increase annual rates from $36 to $40 and to notify the citizens at our annual meeting.
County-wide Zoning Ordinance: A working session has been scheduled for Monday December 17th, 6:30 pm, for townships participating in the drafting of the proposed ordinance, in the Courthouse Board Room (635 Northridge Dr NW, Pine City). Paul made a printout for the Board of the first draft of the ordinance that they will review on December 17th and a list of the items that participants at the November County Zoning public meetings felt were most important. Glen moved that any interested township officers be allowed to attend; Gary seconded. Mike and Gary will represent Wilma. Patrice made copies for Mike and Gary.
MAT L & R Meetings: Two days, February 20 and 21 at the Best Western Hotel in St. Paul. Glen said at the MAT conference they expressed disappointment that so few township officials try to attend these meetings with legislators to advocate for township government. He moved that we try to send someone, and Patrice said she would go if she could work it out. She could stay at her father's so wouldn't have to pay for a motel, and her sister could stay at her home. She has already lobbied the legislature and knows many of the officials. Glen said to put it on the agenda for January.
MAT Training for Non-officers: Pat wants to attend some trainings on his own dime and spoke with Steve Fenske of the MN MAT Insurance Trust who told him trainings are for officers, but citizens can attend. He tried to sign up but it kicks him out. He will have Fenske call Paul to authorize him to go.
March Township Election: Glen and Patrice are up for re-election. Filing period starts January 1 and ends January 15, 2019. Election and annual meeting is March 12, 2019. Glen paid his $2 but can't file until January 1. Patrice will file also.
MN LTAP Culvert Installation, Maintenance, and Inspection Workshop: MN Local Technical Assistance Program/U of M March 7,2018, Holiday Inn, Duluth, $60. Alden said he didn't think the cost would justify this, and it would repeat things covered at the November workshop heat tended.
Treasurer's Report and Claims: Patrice gave the Treasurer's Report (attached to record); Total bills for November, $5,301.92,requiring a transfer of $5,300. Gary moved to approve the Treasurer's Report and to transfer the funds. Mike seconded.
CLERK'S REPORT: Paul read the record of the October Board Meeting. One correction by Alden, to include Lost River Road for future gravel projects. Gary moved to approve; Mike seconded.
ROAD REPORT: Alden said the roads have all been graded before winter and there are no issues. Crooked Lake Road: Summerland put more gravel down and it was spread and graded. Alden gave Paul the range-line road report for Crooked Lake Road for billing, pending Summerland's bill. Mayfield Road: Alden said a few spots do not have enough gravel. He ordered a cutting edge for the grader but is waiting to install it, and the wing-arm chains are shortened. He had the fuel-oil barrels filled with #1 fuel 30% blend for winter. Schmedeke Lane: Reflectors ordered for the end. Tamarack Pine Drive Damage: Anderson Recycling was hauling scrap metal and big pieces from the Vink Ponds on Tamarack Pine Drive and did some damage to the road. Eldon did one hour of grading, and he said he thought our $150/hour fee was excessive. The board discussed it and said it is reasonable and told Paul to bill Anderson for 1 hour. Alden said they aren't done, but are done with the heaviest stuff. Glen said Maureen Pallow complained that they blocked the roads and they couldn't get through for work and school.
Looking Ahead for Roads: Alden wrote up a long term plan for future work on our roads and Glen asked Paul to type it up for all the board members for our spring road inspection.
OLD BUSINESS: New Fence-line by Hall: Duane Glienke moved his fence-line about a dozen feet closer to the hall. Glen spoke with him, and he agreed to move the fence-line back, but so far it hasn't been moved and it will be too cold soon. Glen will talk with him again.
Town Hall upgrade: Drilling Electric has completed their work at an estimate of $5,500 and brought electricity and lights and heat to the outhouse, but have not billed us yet, waiting for the electrical inspection. They installed a new 100 AMP service load center with trenching, stage lighting and stage riser outlets. They won't rewire the fire department electric grill so the plug fits in the upgraded 220 outlets, but Mike said he can get an adapter and do it. Outhouse Insulation: Mike finished the ceiling and insulation of the outhouse, and with the new heater the building stayed warm during the election. Door is locked and key on wall by door.
Insulate Hall: The board voted in October to hire Up North Insulation to put down fly-repellent insulation 12" deep, R42 value, for the estimate of $1,750. They would also spray the exterior of the building with a fly repellant insecticide for $162. Pat said that he sent Paul and Glen another estimate from Retrogreen Energy to do the job for $3,750, but with an R50 value. Paul said he found an estimate left in hall on a table and thought Pat had left it; Mike said this was his estimate from Up North and he'd been looking for it since FallFest. Pat asked if Up North will put in a vent and will insulate the slopes. Mike said yes, but it may be a little more than $1,750 for the vents. Mike asked if the board had also approved the fly eradication spray program for $162. Glen said not yet.
Stage Area: Board voted in October to have Mike sand the stage area and then seal and poly it. Mike said the fire department can get big utility carts for the grills so we can move them easily, and the fire department will get rubber mats for the floor so those making pancakes can stand for hours.
Wilma Fall Fest: Was Saturday, October 20. May have been our largest turnout ever with KarJackers karaoke and great food and conversation. Procrastinators couldn't play that date this year.
Snowplowing Fees: Due tonight. We already have snow. It was published, put on the website, and posted at the hall. Fees same as previous years. Glen had a text from Clayton Heller to ask if he could pay at the VFD Raffle Saturday. He moved to allow this; Gary seconded. Patrice gave Alden the list of people who have paid.
County Township Officers' Meeting: Glen, Patrice and Paul attended. Paul wrote a long report for the board. It was an excellent meeting with many speakers. Over 54 local politicians, candidates and township officers were in attendance Saturday, October 27, 2018 at the Pine County Township Officers' Association Meeting at the American Legion in Hinckley. There were many speakers, including State Senator Tony Lourey, State Representative Candidate Tim Burkhardt, State Representative Jason Rarick, Pine County Commissioner Steve Hallan, Pine County Commissioner Matt Ludwig, Pine County Attorney Reese Frederickson, Pine County Sheriff Jeff Nelson, and Pine County Land Services Director Kelly Schroeder. Also Karen Amundson, Community Development Planner from East Central Regional Development Commission (ECRDC), DNR Officers Dusty Speldarch and Leah Campa, and Rick Nolan's field representative, Rick Olseen, MAT District 10 Director Jim Fisher and new MAT Executive Director David Hann.
Midterm Elections: Wilma had an incredible turnout last night; 42 voters out of a total registration of 50-some voters.
NEW BUSINESS: DSL Internet Coming: Centurylink has confirmed that they are soon going to ditch fiber-optic cable for DSL internet into Wilma Township.
MAT Educational Conference and Meeting: November 15 – 17 at the DECC in Duluth. Glen and Paul are attending, and Toni may also attend. We get $200 scholarships each from the County Township Officers. Theme: Powering Our Future. Workshops on utilities in township rights-of-way; record keeping; payroll account coding; Couri-Ruppe legal advice. Round tables with MN Board of Firefighters, the DNR, road maintenance and culverts.
Culvert Workshop: Tomorrow, November 8, 3 – 5 pm, Pine Co. History Museum, Askov. Free. Effects of culverts on fisheries; hydrology and culverts; design and installation of culverts. Alden said if he can get off work, he will go up there.
Annual County Fire Chiefs' Meeting: Mike asked if they could use the hall for the Chiefs' Meeting Wednesday, November 15. Glen moved; Gary seconded. Passed.
Treasurer's Report and Claims: Patrice gave the Treasurer's Report (attached to record); Total bills for November, $10,836.58, requiring a transfer of $10,800. Gary moved to approve the Treasurer's Report and to transfer the funds. Mike seconded.
The meeting was closed for a personnel issue. After this Gary moved to adjourn; Mike seconded. Meeting adjourned 9:15 p.m.