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Following on from Monday excellent piece from REBUS67,it may be time to have a look at precedents for a new manager taking over after a dreadful campaign the previous season,paying particular attention to the extent of the overhaul required.
As Jock was only the fourth manager in our history-which was in its 90th year when he was unceremoniously ushered out of the door in 1978-it is only fair to start from there. Jock was famously denied the opportunity to spend a six figure sum by the board,despite our main rivals having done so almost ten years earlier. This simple fact-plus the miserly wages being offered by us at the time-certainly didn't help the great man when we suffered the most horrendous season of injuries that I can personally recall. Allowed to spend about £60,000 of the £440,000 received from Liverpool for Kenny Dalglish,he manfully tried his best. Jock could work wonders,but sometimes the impossible is simply just that and the lack of self belief from the players-based simply on the results,IMO-was painful to watch.
Jock was well used to planning for the departure of his stars by this time. He was also well-versed in the technique of ushering in a temporary stop gap to cover for the occasional injury. Doing so every week,and in virtually every position was to prove beyond even him. Our double-winning season from the year before flopped across the line and into fifth place in the league,and White was quick to stab him in the back as a result.
Personally I never forgave him for that,but he brought in another legend as a replacement. Billy McNeill had left Celtic in 1975,our most successful captain in history,and he must have been horrified at events that season at his favourites. Probably even more so when he saw the quality of the squad that Jock was forced to choose from. Fresh from a short spell at Clyde then a highly successful year at Aberdeen,he knew the extent of the rebuild required.
He broke our transfer record to bring in Murdo McLeod and Davie Provan,taking his spend to £300,000 with the capture of his Aberdeen stalwart Dom Sullivan. Sums unimaginable to Jock of course,but to put this spend into perspective this was in the same season that Brian Clough bought the world's first million pound player. (I should add that this is still disputed,as various other "foreigner" players may have been first!)
It was enough to win the league in a crazy season which saw a raft of postponements,resulting in a hectic fixture pile-up and the famous Monday night of 21-5-79. Largely because Billy's signings were highly effective but also because there was already a strong nucleus of players there,players who had been denied to Jock because of injury. To go from first to fifth in a season looked bloody awful,but to do so in reverse made Billy an even bigger hero!
Billy left with three titles in five years,replaced by David Hay. I doubt anyone gave us better football to watch,with the possible exception of TB. But he was up against it with the emergence of "The New Firm" and the financially doping arrival of Souness at the huns. One title in four years was a meagre reward for him and his players-especially as they were all there for the winning,bar 85 when we blew up in the stalls!-but there weren't too many gaps in the squad that he inherited. Famously he was denied the right to buy replacements for his problem positions at centre half and in goal for far too long or things may have been different,but the return of Billy for The Centenary Season soon saw that sorted with the arrival of Mick McCarthy for £500,000. How Hay must have wished for money like that when he needed it!
Billy needed a lot more though. We had lost Danny McGrain,Murdo,Provan and our entire front three in close season,and there was a job to do. Well,we all know how that ended,but let's not take away from those achievements. A rebuild was needed-but again,there was a strong enough core of players there to build around. This was denied to his successor,Liam Brady. A succession of poor signings-with the exception of John Collins-and some truly mediocre promotions from youth saw him really struggling against a financially supercharged hunnery. His own successor fared no better,being denied any funds due to our own financial wasteland.
Welcome to The New Age,with Fergus and TB. The former realised that he had a club to rebuild,but the latter saw that we had a team to rebuild. Fergus wasn't slow to put his hand in his pocket,with signings like Di Canio,Van Hooijdonk,Cadete,Thom,O'Donnell, Stubbs,MacNamara,Johnston et al. A considerable sum was spent to rebuild a shockingly poor squad inherited from the previous regime,but despite some wonderful football we always came up short. We just couldn't break that glass ceiling and Tommy was replaced in turn by Wim Jansen.
He in turn had a number of players to replace,whether due to injury or simply leaving the building. He wasn't slow to do it either,with such as Lambert,Burley,Jackson,Rieper and others joining us for a huge season ahead.
Plus,of course,Henrik.
There were enormous holes to be filled in that squad,but WTT succeeded against the heavily stacked odds. And promptly walked out due to his continuous run-ins with a former football commentator ludicrously promoted to the role of General Manager!
Here we go again,four managers in our first ninety years-and already seven in our next twenty! The next two only lasted a year each too,with different levels of success. Dr Jo gave us Riseth,Mjallby,Viduka and also the type of player we had been waiting nearly thirty years for,Lubo. Be still,my beating heart. Barnes gave us Berkovic and Tebily amongst others. Like Scheidt. Bloody hell…
Martin O'Neill arrived with a reputation and determination,not least of which was to bloody win at all costs. I'm not convinced that he did his homework beforehand. I'm pretty sure that he was unaware of the quality already there in the likes of Jackie,Henrik,Lubo,Stan and big Mjallby for starters. He soon found out,of course,but it didn't stop him making some signature signings. Frontloading,as AULDHEID might say. His last was the following season,with BBJ joining The Evil Genius and Henke up front. Even though he had also proved adept at getting a star from the bargain bin-Didi Agathe for £50,000?-he had little success with the likes of Fernandes and Laursen. For the latter,he might have been better advised to stick with Mahe for instance. Martin never solved the problem at left back or in goal,but by 'eck,those were rollercoaster days when we rebuilt the club and its reputation both domestically and in Europe.
WGS then frankly inherited a mess. The nucleus of the MON side were either five years older or already gone. Henke and Big Mjallby were joined by Jackie for instance. Lubo too. Others on big contracts were considered surplus to requirements,and our new CEO was in a pissing competition with our star centre half,amongst others. Which didn't stop him signing Tommy Gravesen,a superstar in his own mind,and who wouldn't do what he was asked to on the pitch. Or Riordan,who was supremely talented but frankly not in control of his own mind. Model professionals like Jarosik and Nakamura helped the rebuild,but by this time it was rebuild after rebuild. We swiftly became a selling club,happy to hawk our wares at Harrods,then buy replacements at the local flea market.
Not much helped by the capture of Tony Mowbray,who spent his entire budget on a dud in The Season of Honest Mistakes!
Enter Neil Lennon and the lift off of Project Project. Again,we had a decent enough squad available,and the free signing of Joe Ledley,along with The Wall on loan and Hooper88 for £2m propelled us to eventual success-considerably helped of course by the huns going bust,which gave us a free run at the title for a good few years. Instead of using that time to blood youth,or to even bother building a team,we decided to use this as a shop window,selling our best players at the first sight of a grubby fiver while tightly controlling player wages. And when Ronny Deila came in,mainly as the assistant to our Master Of All Things CEO,we bloody nosedived.
Not RD's fault,I may add. It was time for a change of direction. We got one in Brendan Rodgers,a top coach who knew his own mind. And one who realised that there wasn't much needed really-except to do his job! He inherited a 40 goals a season striker-and promptly dropped him in favour of a raw teenager signed for a pittance from Fulham! That takes balls,but again much of the squad was already there. And when he walked out,disgusted at NOT being allowed to do his job,he had won back to back trebles,a magnificent seven trophies in a row,and leaving behind a side filled with players who knew how to do their job,and were fully focused on it.
To see that legacy trashed in the two years or so since is shameful. The person inheriting this mess has my utmost sympathy. Likely and confirmed departures will leave us with very few quality performers,even from those who failed us last season. Who will fill the role of goalkeeper,given that none impressed much last season? Right back? We have two centre halves,a newbie and a huge injury prone shrinking violet. A left back who is decent enough,but never anywhere near a KT nor an Izzy.
Our midfield is CalMac and maybe Rogic. Wide right we have the perennial-a problem in itself!-Jamesie while wide left we have nothing. And up front it is Ajeti and Griff,who will no doubt be squabbling over the pies this summer.
I think the above shows that we have come back from disaster before. It's what we do. But also that we have always been the architects of our own destruction. Who knows,AP may well be the unknown quantity like WTT was,he may even have the pragmatism of WGS,or the fire and drive of MON. He might even be the superb coach that our club has been crying out for since BR left.
Sadly,I think he is going to need to be all of that and more to be successful,given the few cards our departing CEO has offered him to play with. And while I'll find it difficult to get the smile off my face if he succeeds,I'll know where the blame lies if he doesn't.
And so too does every Celtic supporter. Not with the newest recruit,but with its long-serving self-serving and thankfully departing CEO.
Good luck,Ange. You're gonna need it.
The Daily pieces on here are great reading .
If AP wins the league he will be immortal , maybe he is another Lubo, be a guy who came as an unknown in the big leagues and leaves a hero. Like all our players, managers ,coaches we always hope they are successful, 3 years of proper management and success on the playing field will destroy the Georges Square celebrants.
June 9, 2021 5:28 am
The tic
All about opinions and my own is that this will be the worst manager ever to walk through the doors of CP.
He won a pub league 2 years ago having failed to win in 12 of the 34 matches. Lost 8 and drew 4.
His team scored the most goals , but conceded the most goals in the top 6.
The following season he finished 9th. I mean 9th in the J league, and conceded 59 goals which was the most in the league with the exception of the bottom 4.
I cannot for the life of me understand this appointment if indeed that's who it is to be.
Naturally I hope I'm wrong but I suspect he will be gone by March if not around the turn of the year. His teams simply cannot defend and if you feared European nights before, get yersel' strapped in if we qualify this year.
MORNING ALL and JIM, bobby great post, didnt think you were old enough to remember that big money signing of colin stein to rainjurs, I do because my rangers supporting pal billy kept reminding me of it😎 billy was a rangers fan but never a hun, he emigrated to australia 45 years ago, so missed a lot of them 55 titles, such a shame😎 another true storyH.H.
Been reading back over last two days….Welcome back Twisty😁😁 Hope the wee hitch is sorted shortly!
Thetic : I agree with you on the leaders… but then I would! The followers/commentators are pretty good also😁
HI TWISTY, we should not be anywhere near europe IMHO, dont want to see us get humped by the champions of malta 😎
Ty. All looking mighty fine over the last few days.
BP – I'm going to have to find a new place to watch any European matches. Behind the sofa won't offer enough cover. Shame I've gotten out of shape this past 18 months or so. I won't fit under the bed now.
TWISTY👍😎
Óglach: Cat 4
The question I keep asking myself "why would any self-respecting manager want the Celtic job knowing the monumental, if not wholly impossible, task that lies before him"? No team as such, nae money to buy one, no time to create one capable of winning the SPFL before we start getting on his case – which we will, nae trusted colleagues in the dugout with him just 2 dumb failures sitting beside him. I guess he must be on a shout for a decent wage, I can see no other reason a relatively unknown Aussie in his late 50's would want it – can you?
Lawwell is an absolute fraud. A charlatan. Ran the club for the purpose of making himself rich.
Maestro,
Succinct and to the point sir.
Auldheid – thanks
What I'd give to go back and relive our centenary year again! Back when I was still innocent to all the chicanery, and thought the Govanites just had wads of cash. You could literally taste the satisfaction. Hampden in 88 isn't just a great sporting memory ..it mattered way more than that, and I will take that memory to my grave. We still seemed like the good guys then!
Are we really gonna just accept our lot?
Return to the back of the bus, meekly?
Accept there is nothing we can do about other club's cheating?
We need to rip it up and start again!
Sorry for the repetition, but I can barely remember a time when I have been so frustrated and angry! I really want to walk away, but I have a feeling I'm hopelessly addicted to my love of our club …even though it has broken my heart 💚
I still bleed Green.
Billy Bhoy
Jings! – that was some rollercoaster ride through Celtic in my lifetime Bobby!!
A great read, and it looks like we're going to have to strap ourselves in for a couple of death defying loops – especially in the season defining CLQ matches!
Surely even the hunniest hun would need to have a heart of stone not to feel sorry for the poor bastard who is going to be standing next to Kennedy and Strachan in the dugout in just a few short weeks.
Angelo: https://youtu.be/_0fC_HL2NL8 I
Winning the league together …beating Sevco forever …Angelo!
Maybe Twisty has a point of sofa not being big enough to hide behind this coming season.
I'm thinking of digging a World War 1 type of trench at the bottom of my garden.
Any other useful suggestion's will be considered.
I've made this comparison before,but read this and substitute a few names,etc…
https://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2021/jun/08/daniel-levy-the-common-denominator-in-tottenhams-endless-managerial-farce
Real McCoy- top man
Any details to pay sweep?
I have a real good feeling about Ange Postecoglou. Think this guy will be ideal for our rebuild, if he is given the funds and support of our board.
Leftfield appointments excite me.
Welcome Ange. Think you will smash it in Scotland.
Very optimistic.
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To those interested the hyperlinks to the site the Directors responsibilities from which extracts taken can be found at
https://www.pinsentmasons.com/out-law/guides/directors-duties-six-factors-that-boards-cannot-ignore
and that on remedies at https://hjsolicitors.co.uk/article/a-guide-to-shareholder-remedies/#section-7 and Celtic's articles of association
https://cdn.celticfc.com/assets/downloads/Articles-2011.pdf
The latter seem ripe for updating for future protection of the Celtic many grew up to love.
Probably my favourite ever Pink Floyd song, and there is some competition.
https://g.co/kgs/bikxQo
I figured you would clock that one!
Top tune to accompany a perfect article. 👍
Song for our new manager.
https://g.co/kgs/opkQRD
That was a fantastic read and run through of all those Celtic managers and players…days most of us will remember well.
If Ange is appointed manager he will have my fullest support – I'll not be in the ground or paying any money towards tv options, but that's not his fault…
In every season you mentioned I followed the adult males and their oft repeated mantra of .. 'never criticise the players or manager when the season is in full swing'. The time to do that is in the close season. As an boy and adult I've followed that as much as possible.
So, as it's close season and we don't actually know if he is going to be the manager ( I'm still hopeful that he won't be…) Ange has a mighty challenge. He will need every ounce of self-belief he can bring to the fore.
We can already hear he is under scrutiny from guys who will be in the ground, he will need a rhino hide and earplugs. I remember having an ongoing spat with two guys on Another channel who were getting stuck into Ronnie Della right from the off.,. One of them went so far as to say he had formed his opinion of the guy before his first match. Both of them weren't slow to get absolutely stuck in to RD and it remains my view that it was personal with them, because they had lost a bet in our euro qualifying run. Nevertheless, I recall being frustrated as hell with their continued negativity and the way they attacked the guy. He won a few leagues and was cheated out of a Treble – and he wasn't really backed by his employers when key players started to mess him about by openly challenging his authority.
Not that I couldn't see his failings, Europe is my Litmus test for any manager or player of Celtic. If you don't stand up to the test in Europe you aren't going to make my list of favourites. RD failed miserably in that arena, but he wasn't backed …literally! My view remains that when a guy is in the throes of trying to get us results he needs the fullest backing of the support.
I felt the same with John Barnes, Lou, Liam and Tony … back the guys during the games at all times! When the season ends is the time to get the criticisms/moaning out into the open with the aim of making positive changes happen …either through a change of direction: policy and/or personnel.
Another thing that gets on my nads is the constant sniping at John Kennedy – what has he done wrong other than to remain loyal to the club? Successive managers have kept him on their staff…. as I've said before if Celtic were to hand me a jersey with SeS stitched in ubiquitous fashion… I'd grab it and do my level best, bursting a nut or two to get the results every supporter craves. Who could blame me? The fact that I'd be absolutely mince at the job wouldn't be a factor for me because if someone who should know better than me keeps handing me a jersey and paying my wages I'm not going anywhere. I'm going to convince myself I'm just going through a tough patch and require a little luck to turn it around. Again, As it's close season I agree with the view he should go out and manage another club and win something. Come back to Paradise and win the Big Cup … this has happened before, and it can happen again.
My point is that our focus of attention shouldn't be on the underperforming employees who are simply trying to make a career… something we are all entitled to do… it's the job of the employers to call a halt and identify the necessary changes and to do it humanely and effectively.
By all means speculate on potential signings and who could do a good or better job, and who couldn't, and why …that's a huge part of fitba…however, when we are in the the full on mix, in direct opposition to people who despise us, then we should back our team and manager until the season is over.
For that reason my feelings about those who fried Lenny ( they called him Lennon…) in the last few seasons are best left unsaid. He was being shafted from every conceivable angle. Not a good look for some folk.
It all boils down to focus should be on the guys making the big decisions. That is where the problem has always been and will always remain.
Bobby you are 100 right about the Luck Ange will need in Paradise…sadly, its doubtful if he realises what is in store for him.
BADABING
Hopefully MAHE will run a separate article tomorrow with the details.
Hope you've called it correctly and us pessimists are proven badly wrong.
I feel that you are looking at this new manager with total negativity. I am very confident and optimistic that Ange Postecoglou is the ideal man for our rebuild. Hope he makes you eat your words.
Exciting times ahead. 👍🍀💚
Here's hoping your right
Garry I love your positivity on Ange – hoping you have seen something in the stars
Tomorrow morning there will be a partial eclipse of the Sun (c.10:30 )
Perhaps they will sneak a wee Presser in when everyone is looking the other way…
Saint Tams
Without hope we are fecked.
I am concentrating on the many plaudits given to Ange Postecoglou by his players and peers in the game.
The guy has similar philosophy and style as the man I wanted as Celtic manager, Marcelo Bielsa. If you like the style of football and fitness at Leeds United, then you are about to see similar at Celtic.
A good gut feeling about Ange Postecoglou. 👍🍀💚
SteveNaive
Superb writing, an excellent summary from Jock until now.
Laughed out loud on Graveson and Riordan.
Thank you,kind sir!
I was really disappointed with Riordan,but particularly so with how WGS dealt with him. I've always said that Celtic are a club for a maverick player-my Dad's favourite is Charlie Tully and mine is George Connelly. Our best player of all time is Jimmy Johnstone!
That's evidence enough for me,and bearing in mind the internal discipline problems that Gordon had to put up with in his early career I thought he might have had more empathy.
In hindsight,I don't blame him for how he dealt with Riordan. Total waste of a talent,a brain cell looking for another one to mate with.
Worth remembering that Jock always said that his greatest achievement was keeping Jinky on the pitch for five years longer than he thought was possible.
That was a great read! Oh, the memories! I lost touch in the eighties as I emigrated in 1981 and it was hard in those days to get info on the Scottish game,although the national paper, the Globe and Mail used to publish the Scottish League table along with the English one. Apart from that, it was a struggle with no internet. The introduction of audio coverage by Celtic was like a gift from heaven, especially as the first year was free.
I have blown cold and hot and cold again on the Postman. It could go either way. What I do suspect is that the process to hire a new coach was flawed. On the occasions when DD exerted his influence(MON, GS, BR) the decisions were good. If PL was left to run the selection, it was mainly flawed as he appeared to want choices he could manage. It looks like PL's finger prints are all over this appointment through his City connection. Applicants were probably put off by the continuing narrative that EH had the job. So the net was never spread wide enough and in the end a scramble occurred to find a coach quickly.
There are similarities with Wim Jansen. In his case, a rebuild was required and, strangely, he also arrived straight from Japanese football. After Celtic, he returned there and that might also be the Postman's fate.
However, there are important differences, not least is that Wim had a deep knowledge of European football. Secondly, he knew exactly what type of player he wanted in each position, and he knew where to find them. Rieper and Lambert were good examples. It also seems that Postecoglou knows how he wants his teams to play and his focus is on the importance of a high energy press. This is his method of getting the most out of a player budget that is usually lower than that of competitors. The year he won the J League his budget was way less than all of his major competition. However, as we know, there can be problems with this approach. If all parts of the press do not operate together, the opposition exploits the gaps behind and scores a load of goals against you. Ange will inherit a playing squad that amongst other things, is deficient in players who can apply the press effectively. Christie on his game, is the obvious exception but he could be on his way as he is probably sick of getting kicked all over the park.
If Postecoglou wins the league, it will rank up there with Wim's achievement but I doubt that it will happen. I see an early exit from Europe and an early points gap opened up by Sevco as our coach struggles to get personnel and his plan in place. The fixture list will be critical and I see us playing Sevco soonest.
Bobby, as you said, we are the architects of our own misfortune.
Does anyone know of ANY manager who has been successful throughout his whole career? I don't. Equally, I know of loads of managers who do fantastically well at Clubs A, C and E but completely bomb with Clubs B and D.
So whilst I have absolutely no evidence to suggest that Ange (or indeed, Jurgen Kloss should he decide to come!) will be a roaring success, equally, I'd never write him off before he even starts. I had no idea who Wim Jansen was. Equally, I was over the moon when we went for Tony Mowbray.
Whoever takes us forward surely has to be judged on how he performs whilst with us. Previous successes and/or previous failures count for nothing in terms of Celtic.
What I will say though is that there's something appealing about getting in a coach that I'd never heard of who seems to favour a very attacking style, playing on the deck approach. Might be some rollercoaster 4-3 games but football is meant to be entertaining after all!
A fair bit of research and memory mining there BMCUW.
I appreciate the effort put into it and the memories it rekindled.
One of them was, for a reason I cannot recall, I made an estimate of the cost of the transfers and wages that stopped 10iar in 98.
I think I pulled this
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1ryGkmdTKRInW1f5RtzxaLpPH2slLFs7XP-sCZEB3GyI/edit?usp=drivesdk
together after reading a book about the men who stopped the 10.
The fun is working out the present day costs of maintaining similar quality, if anyone wants to try…..
Great read back troops. Really good input. For my tuppence worth. I wanted us to get Howe and why we have swung a complete 360 from the big name to someone we've never heard of is baffling. It shows for me a complete lack of a plan and structure that we want for the next decade or so.
What I will say is when you read bmcuwp's article we have rarely gone for a top drawer operator. Only Martin O'Neill and BR would be classed as such. The rest have been celtic men, people starting out or others trying to better themselves. So I suppose postecoglu is more what we're used to. I listened to Harry Brady on celtic underground and he is adamant it was DD that wanted Howe and Howe called him the day after Lawwells house was fire bombed. He didn't say that why he got cold feet but we were well down the road and Howe was even identifying players. So something went wrong and we find ourselves back in familiar territory. A relative unknown trying to prove himself. I think there are better managers out there if we care to ask but having been jilted at the altar once I think DD has gone for someone desperate for the job. Worrying, but as Jobo says also exciting because he will tear this place up if his previous MO is anything to go by and I think he might have the cajones to tell us the real story of it goes wrong, unlike others who are still praising their paymasters long after they've gone.
Incidentally has anyone heard of any arrests regarding Peter Lawwell's house. Nope, didn't think so. Police Scotland – not fit for purpose.
Been a few good reads on the blog of late. That was one of the more enjoyable ones. There has obviously been a fair bit of work put into some of the articles of late, so thanks to the writers. .
Yokohama fc lost at home to a 4th division team in the Emperor's cup.
Better strap in tight, it's gonna be a bumpy ride!
No research at all-if I could remember the content of my lectures back then like I can the Celtic games,I'd be far too posh for the likes of you(!)
I don't think,in all honesty,that a single Celtic supporter wants this man to fail. I'm not entirely sure how many think that success is possible.
For all that we had a sharp suited man in charge of a very well run club,who was always the smartest man in the room,he has made if you will pardon the expression a complete c..t of it.
He has cost us untold millions by his micromanagement tinkering,and walked away as the highest paid employee ever.
We are in a place worse than I can remember in over fifty years of supporting our club. And while I despise him for feathering his nest at the expense of all we hold dear,we shouldn't forget that it was Desmond who enabled it.
If they had held lectures in the QM bar, we would both be too posh 😂😂😎😎
SOLKITTS
Ah,happy daze…
Sliding doors,of course. We came out the other side,and if things had gone to the original plans,certain wonderful things wouldn't have happened.
You wouldn't be showing off a rather wonderful 25yo Glenfarclas in ten days time,for example. Plus many much more important things.
Bloody hell,even turning down that job in the CSO during The Centenary Season worked out well. Though not necessarily for me! Plus the job in Saudi a year before the original gulf war. Life happens,I'll just go with the flow.
BIG AUDIO DYNAMITE, yes was going to post that, they were called honda fc. bobby might know them .LOL.
Honda are playing in 4th division because they are banned from playing top flight Japanese football due to financial clout of Honda.
Things are not as they seem. Honda are one of Japan's biggest and richest clubs.
They're 2nd in league 4 having won 7 games from 11. They're maybe rich …..but they're poor.
I think this is going to be a very tough rebuild.
If we are bringing in an Oz coach with recent Japanese experience, we might get a few talented Asian footballers turning up to give the running commitment that a Pressing game requires.
But it will take time to get them and meanwhile we will have lost a lot of planning time for recruitment and for the coach to get to know the local opposition. Ange is going to need help and advice on recruitment initially because we are losing a lot of big players (Duffy. Laxalt, Ajer, Christie, Griff, Elyounoussi Ntcham and Eddy) plus we may lose some of the youngsters frustrated by lack of opportunity such as Dembele and Okoflex.
The only definite starters I see are Taylor. McGregor, Forrest Turnbull, Soro, Johnston and Jullien, and some of them can easily be improved on as can all our 3 keepers.
You could run a competition as to how many of our first 11 in the new season will be players who are already here. I think it may be lower than 7 and it definitely will be by the end of the Transfer Window.
The only reason I have for optimism is that it is not a high bar that we have to overcome. There are many reasons to be pessimistic just now but only competitive results will affect which of these moods is an accurate reflection of our position and which is unrealistic.
P.S. Davie Hay was betrayed by the Board. We lost a very good manager in Davie by letting Johnston, McClair and McInally all leave at the same time.
Bobby that was a fantastic walk down memory lane, i thoroughly enjoyed reading it, and Saltires en sevilla's response was equally outstanding. I applaud both of you to-day 👏 👏
Garry. My Japanese football knowledge isn't what it used to be 😉
Just hope this result against Honda fc isn't an indicator of what's to come. Some will laugh and others will put the boot in.
Does it mean we're set for life in the slow lane?
Thought Ange would bring a spark ..plug the gaps.
Will it accelerate the appointment of put the brakes on it?
Have the wheels come off already?
We still on the one road …is it the right road?


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The attached Tribute has been written by Colonel Terry Beaton (Retired), who is a member of the Eltham District Historical Society.
This Tribute is given to commemorate the 75th Anniversary Year of the end of the Second World WarWorld War and to remember all those who served and fought for their country.
Terry and Sheila Beaton have contributed significantly to researching and recognising veterans of various conflicts interred in local Nillumbik cemeteries.
We thank them for their work, which has added to our valued local history.
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ThrowbackThursday: Hollywood comes to Eltham 1955
Hollywood star visits Eltham
#ThrowbackThursday – Grace Mitchell, a talented artist in later life and baker, managed a pastry shop business near the corner of Mount Pleasant and Main roads, Eltham in the 1950s.
Shortly after her marriage to Arthur Mitchell in 1948, Arthur incurred a head injury from an an accident and was unable to work. Grace realised she needed to be home to care for her husband as well as earn an income. She managed the bureaucracy of council permits, and made modifications to her home with savings to get the business off the ground without having to borrow money.
Grace and Arthur were avid gardeners and would grow, wash and mince vegetables for pasties while Grace hand made and rolled the pastry. They cooked and minced their own meat for the pies and the fruit for the sweet pies came from their orchard at the rear of the property. She also baked scones and cakes.
Katherine Hepburn
Unknown author Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer studio publicity photographer / Public domain
With weekend visitors travelling to Eltham on the train for days trips, her reputation grew as the spot for afternoon tea. Grace's daughter Jenni mentions the visit of dancer, Robert Helpmann and U.S. actress Katherine Hepburn in her Grace Mitchell: a short history [2012].
Reminiscences in We did open a school in Little Eltham: Eltham Primary School 209, 1856-2006 a history [2006] include a mention of Grace's famous pastry shop and the Sunday afternoon visit by Helpmann and Hepburn.
In Anne Edwards 2019 biography of Katherine Hepburn: A Remarkable Woman, she is described as a "grande dame of American actresses, fierce individualist, and Hollywood legend." A bonafide star she was nominated for twelve Academy Awards and won four. Robert Helpman became world famous as Britain's most outstanding ballet dancer and subsequently turned his attentions to stage and screen. The two first met in London in 1952 when they appeared together in the play "The Millionairess" on the West End. He subsequently invited her to be part of an Australian tour presenting three Shakespearean plays. In May 1955 Helpmann and Hepburn arrived in Sydney, Helpmann was returning to his native land after being away for 25 years. They were accorded a reception by the Mayor of Melbourne. In NSW Hepburn visited St Matthews Church and Rectory at Windsor and donated £50 to the church restoration fund. She later wrote of her fascination with the blue lakes area near Adelaide and the "extraordinary" lyrebird.
Grace operated her pastry shop for over 16 years. She supported the Shillinglaw Cottage Preservation Campaign to preserve the cottage through its Flavour of Eltham community cookbook published in 1964 and hosted cooking classes in the new Living and Learning Centre
Flavour of Eltham : recipes and other items collected by friends of the Shillinglaw Cottage, page 91 advertising Grace Mitchell's Home Made Cakes & Pies (EDHS collection)
Grace Mitchell and Ursula Dors, Cooking Class, Eltham Living and Learning Centre (EDHS collection)
Katherine Hepburn passed way in 2003 aged 96 years. Her trademark was playing strong independent women with minds of their own. Grace Mitchell passed away aged 95 years in 2011.
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A Conversation with Alan Marshall and Joh Ebeli 1977
During the COVID-19 Pandemic State of Emergency Stage 3 lockdown, our Collections team has continued to work in the background from home, digitising material and cataloguing it onto Victorian Collections. Included amongst these items are a number of old audio compact cassette tapes. Even though we say 'old' (because they are), many of us are still familiar with these items. Finding the old analog technology still functional to play them is increasingly difficult.
Alan Marshall in his studio bungalow, 13 Park Road, Eltham, c.1977
(Photo: Joh Ebeli; from trhe collection of Eltham District Historical Society)
One of the tapes was recorded for us in April 2002 on the occasion of the centenary of Alan Marshall's birth, by long term society member and local artist, Joh Ebeli (1918-2012). In 1977 Joh undertook to create a sculpture of the face of Alan Marshall. Joh recorded a conversation he had with Alan during one sitting in 1977 at Alan's studio bungalow, 13 Park Road, Eltham. (The property owned by Alan's sister was sold shortly after his death and was only recently sold again in March 2020.)
Alan Marshall: plastercast from the original by Joh Ebeli, Bicentennial/Heritage Week Display, "The Eltham Tradition", Eltham Shire Office, 17-22 April 1988
(Photo: Peter Bassett-Smith; Eltham District Historical Society)
During this pandemic, we have decided to make this audio recording accessible for all to enjoy. It runs for just over 32 minutes and consists of general chit chat and banter between Joh Ebeli and Alan Marshall on various current affairs, matters of the past, artists and Joh's method of sculpture production.
We hope you enjoy listening in.
Audio Recording; Alan Marshall sitting for Joh Ebeli in his bungalow, Eltham 1977 with introduction by Joh Ebeli 2002
Joh Ebeli outside Falkiner Cottage, Ely Street Eltham, September 1982 (Photo from the collection of Eltham District Historical Society)
Sidenote: Joh Ebeli also designed the logo for Eltham District Historical Society, a combination of the Eltham Trestle Bridge and Shillinglaw Cottage.
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ThrowbackThursday: Eltham Big Star Food Centre, Main Road, 1966
April 16, 2020 elthamhistory	1 Comment
Eltham Big Star Food Centre on Main Road, c.1966 (Photo: poss. Ray Staff; from the collection of Eltham District Historical Society)
#ThrowbackThursday – In February 1965, Staffs Railway Store, the oldest business premises in the Eltham shopping district was demolished. Formerly a self-service grocery, restaurant and electrical repair shop, the building for many years housed Eltham's only 'family' grocer and feed store. Earlier it had appeared to have been the town's bakery. The building had been purchased in late March 1939 by Mr Eric N. Staff. At the time of E.N. Staff's purchase there were huge bakers' ovens located at the rear and the building also had a well and four toilets for employees.
When the 'pictures' came to Eltham with the opening of the Eltham Public Hall across the road in 1941, Mr E.N. Staff extended the business and opened a milk bar and sweet shop. Further extensions re-established the tea rooms of days gone by. Mr E.N. Staff conducted business for about 15 years before handing over the reins to his son, Ray Staff.
When his son Ray took over, the milk bar and tea rooms were closed for several years but the milk bar and was later re-opened and subsequently became a greengrocers and later again, a restaurant. The tea rooms section was converted to an electrical repair shop about 1955.
Electoral Roll records for 1967 record Raymond Charles Staff at 929 Main Road, Eltham, grocer, and in 1968 at Lot 4, Hillcrest Avenue, Eltham, taxi truck operator. So it would appear that Ray continued to run the business for approximately two years after the original store was demolished and a new supermarket was built.
Today, 929 Main Road is the Nongkhai Thai Restaurant and is precisely where the original Staffs store stood. Even though the facade has been modified at eye level with new larger windows, the upper facade is identical to that of the new Eltham Big Star Food Centre of 1965/66.
929 Main Road Eltham (Google Streetview August 2019)
But how did the original building, the oldest premises in the 1965 era shopping centre come about? Well let us tell you about a man named Jed . . . well, Luther actually, so let us travel back further in time to 1902; August 12th to be precise, to the Eltham Courthouse.
Appearing before T. Smallman, Esq,. Police Magistrate, and Messrs. W. Duncan and W.J. Taylor, Justices of the Peace is Luther Haley, baker. Wilfred Henry Johnston, by his agent Stanley Ernest Elder has applied for a warrant of ejectment under the Landlord and Tenant Act 1890 against Luther Haley from the bakery premises at the corner of Main Road and York Street.
General Store and Bakery, cnr Main Road and York Street, c.1902. Pictured are most likely Mrs Burgoyne (given her age compared with Mrs Haley) and three of her children shortly after taking possession. Note the "Summer Drinks" sign on the side of the building, possibly a legacy of Luther Haley's time operating the business. (Photo: unknown; from the collection of Eltham District Historical Society)
From the evidence presented we hear that Mrs Burgoyne of Eltham had purchased the property some months earlier from Mr Johnston, which consists of a store and bakery establishment at Eltham occupied by Mr. Luther Haley, and whose lease expired some little time back, and up to the present time, Mr. Haley was not prepared to leave. He informs the court that he is unable to secure at Eltham a suitable house in which to carry on his business, but he is now building a place near the railway station which he expects to be done in about three weeks time, and he is then prepared to give up possession of the premises he now occupies.
Mr Smallman informs the defendant, Luther Haley, that he will have to quit the premises in three weeks from the present date, and that a warrant of ejectment would be issued. However he also informs Mr Haley that he would order the warrant to lie in the office for three weeks from that date.
The premises under construction refered to by Luther Haley in court were situated on the western side of Main Road, near the railway station slightly opposite present day Arthur Street. It was opened around September 1902 as a General Store, Bakery and Tea Rooms.
Eltham, Main Road near station, c.1904. Looking north towards Research along Main Road near the intersection with Dudley Street. Haley's General Store on left promoting refreshments and summer drinks. With the opening of the railway to Eltham in 1902, Melbourne residents would regularly enjoy a Sunday excursion journey on the train to Eltham for a day's outing to the countryside. (Photo: poss. Tom Prior; Shire of Eltham Pioneers Photo Collection No. 610 in partnership between Eltham District Historical Society and Yarra Plenty Regional Library)
This was the original building in the present day shopping precinct. At the time the only thing nearby was the railway station. Luther Haley's business appeared to prosper and he would have catered to not only the locals abut also day visitors by train on Sundays coming up from Melbourne, offering fresh baked produce, tea rooms and summer drinks. The fields across Main Road running between present day Arthur Street and Luck Street were known as Haley's Paddock and at times were used for community festivities and picnics. A newspaper report on the annual State schools picnic held at Haley's Paddock on March 11, 1904 described it as "quite close to the railway station, and is quite capable of holding comfortably 10,000 people. With its ample shade shade and hilly surroundings, it is an ideal place for any gathering." Unfortunately for Luther, just two months earlier his son, Leslie, aged 12 years had gone with a companion to bathe in the Diamond Creek and had accidentally drowned. But that's another story.
Possibly the annual State schools picnic held by the Board of Advice at Haley's Paddock near Eltham railway station on 11 March, 1904. (Photo: Believed taken by Tom Prior, Shire of Eltham Pioneers Photograph Collection, No. 612 in partnership between Eltham District Historical Society and Yarra Plenty Regional Library)
Luther Haley successfully ran his general store, bakery and tea rooms until 1917 when he and his family departed the district and moved to Westgarth Street in Northcote where he changed careers and became a publisher.
Lloyd's Store, Main Road, Eltham, c.1917-c.Feb 1920 (Photo: edited, from the collection of Eltham District Historical Society; original, State Library of Victoria)
It was then taken over by Hannah Lloyd and became known as Lloyd's Railway General Store from 1917 to 1920. From then it had a succession of owners, one as short as two months until March 31, 1939 when the Grocery Business formerly carried on by Mr. T.K. White of Eltham for the previous eight years was purchased by Mr Eric N. Staff of Research and became known as E.N. Staff's Railway Store.
The ownership timeline for the store is as follows:
Luther Haley Sep 1902-1917
Hannah Lloyd 1917-c.Feb 1920
Messrs J.R. & N.E. Lee 1920-Sep 1922
A. & E. Copeland Sep 1922-Sep 1925
Mr Price Sep 1925-Nov 1925
Mr Warren Nov 1925?-Nov 1926
A.W.J. Edwards Nov 1926-1931
T.K. White 1931-Mar 1939
Eric Staff Apr 1939-c.1954
Ray Staff c.1954-Feb 1965 then demolished
Ray Staff Eltham Big Star Food Centre c.1965-1967
If anyone has old photos of Staffs store or the shopping district, particularly in the 1930s through 1960s then we would love to hear from you. Perhaps you might consider donating them to the Eltham District Historical Society or if you prefer, we could borrow them and scan them at archival quality and then return them along with a digital copy.
ELTHAM COURT OF PETTY SESSIONS. (1902, August 15). Evelyn Observer, and South and East Bourke Record (Vic. : 1882 – 1902), p. 5 (MORNING.). Retrieved April 16, 2020, from http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article64029690
STATE SCHOOLS' PICNIC. (1904, March 19). Record (Emerald Hill, Vic. : 1881 – 1954), p. 3. Retrieved April 16, 2020, from http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article165173087
ACCIDENTALLY DROWNED. (1904, January 21). The Argus (Melbourne, Vic. : 1848 – 1957), p. 7. Retrieved April 16, 2020, from http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article10593935
ELTHAM (1939, March 31). Advertiser (Hurstbridge, Vic. : 1922 – 1939), p. 2. Retrieved April 16, 2020, from http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article56963085
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OTD: Railway Accident at Wattle Glen, 25 Mar 1932
March 25, 2020 elthamhistory	Leave a comment
#OnThisDay ( #OTD ) – 88 years ago, Good Friday, March 25th, 1932, a terrible and frightening railway accident occurred for a family on holidays from Cobram whilst passing through Wattle Glen.
As reported on page 1 of the Advertiser, Friday 1 April 1932 and many other newspapers throughout Melbourne and the country.
Railway Accident at Wattle Glen
TRAIN DERAILED IN LEVEL CROSSING ACCIDENT
MOTOR CAR TORN TO PIECES
OCCUPANTS HAVE MARVELLOUS ESCAPES
A sensation went through the district when it became known that there had been a railway accident at Wattle Glen on Good Friday morning. All sorts of alarming rumors were current, and it was a relieved community which learned that, although the train had been derailed and a motor car almost torn to pieces, all the persons who were in the train and car escaped with comparatively minor injuries.
Traffic on the line was completely disorganised for some time as a section of the line had been torn up by the train when it left the rails, and until the line was repaired and the necessary repairs made, a fleet of taxis and a railway bus were used to carry on.
The accident occurred about 11.40 a.m. when the 11.10 a.m. "up' train was travelling from Hurstbridge to Melbourne. The train was almost entering the Wattle Glen station when the mishap occurred.
Mr. Donald F. Paterson, manager of the Bank of Australasia at Cob-ram, with his wife and two children, had arrived from Cobram on the day before, and had spent the night with Mrs. Paterson's mother (Mrs. Herbert), whose home is near the station.
Set Out for the Beach
They had decided to visit the beach, and were on their way to reach the Hurstbridge-Melbourne road.
Waited for Another Car
At the railway crossing Mr. Paterson, waited a while to allow another car travelling in the opposite direct-ion, to negotiate the crossing first, and then proceeded. When his car was on the crossing it was struck broadside on by the train.
Hurled Over Culvert
The car was dragged broadside on for some distance, and was then hurled over into a culvert on the west side of the line.
The train, the two leading carriages of which had left the line, continued on, lurching sickeningly as the derailed wheels ploughed up the permanent way.
Post Snapped Like a Reed
The head of the train wobbled from side to side, carrying before it an 18-inch post used to support the over-head electrical equipment. This pole was, snapped like a reed, and did not decrease the speed of the runaway train to any appreciable extent.
All this time the air brakes had been applied, and when the train eventually came to a standstill the leading carriages were canted over at a dangerous angle.
The Injured
The injured were:
Donald Fary Paterson, aged 36 years, manager of the Bank of Australasia, Cobram. Bruises and shock.
Mary Winifred Paterson, his wife, aged 32 years. Broken bone in right foot and shock.
Richard Paterson, aged 6 years, and Betty Paterson, aged 2 years, their children. Slight abrasions and shock.
J. Howse, driver of train. Shock.
Mrs M. Barnes, Hurstbridge, passenger on the train. Shock.
An inspection of the site revealed a mass of torn up line, whilst the car was literally a mass of twisted scrap iron: -The culvert over which the car had been hurled, and where there is a drop of about 12 feet, was badly splintered, and it is a wonder that the train did not follow the car when it went over the culvert.
To the Rescue
Mr. James McCannon, who was working In his garden, nearby, heard the crash and rushed over to give what assistance he could. There were others also in the neighborhood who hurried to the scene.
Mrs .Paterson was limping about, searching frantically for her two children, completely ignoring the terrible pain from her injured foot. Searchers found Mr. Paterson pinned beneath the wreckage of the car, and across his knees was his son, Richard. The daughter Beatrice was found on the road at the crossing, she apparently having been thrown clear of the car at the time of the impact.
In the train were only the driver (Motorman Howse), the guard, and one passenger (Mrs. Barnes, of Hurstbridge).
Driver's Escape
The driver had a marvelous escape, his cabin being splintered when It struck the pole carrying the overhead gear, but he escaped with bruises and a few lacerations caused by glass from the broken windscreen of his cabin. The roof of the driver's compartment had been splintered, and the front crushed.
Passenger's Experience
Mrs. Barnes had a nerve-wracking experience. She was tossed from side to side as the train lurched on its way after leaving the track, sustaining shock and considerable bruising. She was taken to a nearby residence, and after resting awhile recovered sufficiently to return home.
Motorists took Mr. and Mrs. Paterson to the Eltham Hospital, where they were admitted for treatment, and their two children were taken to the home of Mr. Paterson's mother at Greensborough.
Traffic Interruption
Passengers to Eltham, Diamond Creek on the trains following hear all sorts of sensational rumors of what had happened. At Heidelberg passengers were told that the train was not going any further, but after some time all got aboard again, and the train proceeded to Eltham, where all passengers were again told to get out. They finally re-embarked and were taken to Diamond Creek, from which station they continued their interrupted journeys by taxis and a railways motor bus, which continued the interrupted service. Passengers, who left Melbourne for Hurstbridge at about 11 a.m. finally reached their destination at about 3 p.m.
Restoring the Damage
The aftermath of the railway accident at Wattle Glen, 25 March 1932 (from the collection of Eltham District Historical Society)
The railways officials were soon on the spot, and immediately work was started to rebuild the tracks and re store the overhead gear. Work continued throughout the day and all Friday night, normal running being resumed about midday on Saturday.
The derailed carriages were not re placed on the rails until a quarter to 6 o'clock on Friday evening. During this operation one of the large hooks of the steam crane pierced the wood work of a carriage, causing consider able damage.
Mr. Paterson said he did not see the train until it was almost on his car, his attention having been occupied in seeing that another car got clear of the crossing before he negotiated it. Had he not waited for that car he would have cleared the crossing in ample time.
Motorman House said that at this spot the line curved. He was emphatic that he sounded his siren as he approached the spot. His view of the crossing was obscured by sap lings at the curve and he saw the first car get clear, but did not see Paterson's car as it was on the "blind" side of his cabin.
Mrs. Barnes; who is staying at Cr. J. Ryan's house, is still suffering very much from shock. Mr. and Mrs. Ryan were in Sale at the time of the accident, but returned as soon as they heard of it.
Mr. J. Howse has been off duty since the accident.
The sub-station at Greensborough was also damaged on account of the heavy surge of current which blew the fuses and damaged the switches. It is expected that the damage to the railways will amount to over £1,000.
It is understood that the insurance on the motor car that was smashed expired the previous week.
1932 'THE SCENE AFTER THE WATTLE GLEN SMASH', Advertiser (Hurstbridge, Vic. : 1922 – 1939), 1 April, p. 1. , viewed 15 Feb 2020, http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article56737545
1932 'Railway Accident at Wattle Glen', Advertiser (Hurstbridge, Vic. : 1922 – 1939), 1 April, p. 1. , viewed 15 Feb 2020, http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article56737542
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ThrowbackThursday: Alan Marshall in his Bungalow, 13 Park Road, Eltham, 1970
March 5, 2020 elthamhistory	4 Comments
#ThrowbackThursday – 50 years ago, the Shire of Eltham Historical Society (now Eltham District Historical Society) worked closely with acclaimed and distinguished Australian author, Alan Marshall in preparing a history of the Shire of Eltham to celebrate its centenary in 1971. The book, Pioneers & Painters: One Hundred Years of Eltham and its Shire, edited by Alan Marshall was the result of that effort and was published in 1971.
Alan Marshall at his Eltham home with secretary, Pat Wiltshire, 1970 ( From the collection of Eltham District Historical Society @elthamhistory )
Here we see Alan dictating part of the manuscript for Pioneers & Painters to his secretary, Pat Wiltshire, in his bungalow located at 13 Park Road, Eltham in 1970 (now 13 Park West Road). The bungalow was built c.1955 and was Alan's home from about 1955 to 1980. It is located at the rear of the house, which at the time was owned by Marshall's sister, Margaret McIntyre Marshall. It is understood the property was sold in September 1981. Marshall died 21 January 1984 and is buried at Nillumbik Cemetery, Diamond Creek.
Alan Marshall's manuscript for Pioneers & Painters, 1971 ( From the collection of Eltham District Historical Society @elthamhistory )
The Alan Marshall Bungalow at 13 Park West Road, Eltham is registered on the Victorian Heritage Database and is protected by Heritage Overlay, HO 147 in the Nillumbik Planning Scheme, which covers the bungalow and its surrounding site to a radius of 15 metres. It is significant as it was Marshall's home at the time he wrote Pioneers & Painters and the basic nature of it is illustrative of Marshall's lifestyle.
Alan Marshall at his Eltham home, 1970 ( From the collection of Eltham District Historical Society @elthamhistory )
Book launch "Pioneers & Painters"; Mr. Alan Marshall, 13 Park West Road, Eltham. Editor of "Pioneers and Painters", 7 July 1971. ( Shire of Eltham Pioneers Photograph Collection SEPP_3058 held in partnership by Eltham District Historical Society @elthamhistory and Yarra Plenty Regional Library @YarraPlentyRegionalLibrary )
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OTD: "The game's on!" Wild Gunfight at Commercial Bank, Eltham, 15 Dec 1949
December 15, 2019 elthamhistory	Leave a comment
Are you familiar with the little yellow and orange brick Op-shop building at 810 Main Road, Eltham, just in front of the Uniting Church (formerly Methodist Church) on the corner of John Street? Nowadays, not many people may realise that this was once the Eltham agency of the Commercial Bank of Australia. Measuring just 3.6 x 4.5 m inside, it was built in 1878 by George Stebbing and is said to have stored gold in the early Eltham-Research mining days.
Well . . .
The Commercial Bank at Eltham, The Age, 16 December 1949, p1
#OnThisDay – 70 years ago #OTD Thursday, December 15, 1949, the quiet little bank was embroiled in an infamous wild shoot-out between a daring thief and two bank officers. Today, the building still carries the scars ; a bullet hole remains visible in a cedar bench testifying to the events that played out that day.
But let us first time travel back to a few days prior to this incident. It is 3.30 a.m., Friday, December 9. The manager of the Commercial Bank branch at Greensborough, Mr Harry Wallace and his wife are asleep in their bedroom of the little house behind the branch. Harry is awakened by a noise and sees an intruder in a corner of the bedroom. He calls out but the intruder who has switched off the power in anticipation flees through a side door and scarpers down Main Street. Harry summons the police but a search by First Constable Thomas of the Greensborough Police assisted by a wireless patrol car is unsuccessful. A report is filed noting the theft of a .25 calibre pistol from the wardrobe.
Scene of the gun battle at Eltham (Vic.), The Daily Telegraph, 16 december, p1
Fast forward six days to Thursday, December 15th. It is 1pm and the Commercial Bank has just opened. The branch is only open Mondays and Thursdays from 1-3pm. The morning started off a little cool with some scattered showers but it has fined up and the temperature is now around 61 degrees (16 C). A new grey Singer sports car with soft-top pulls up on the opposite side of the road and a young man, neatly dressed in a dark blue suit, wearing a grey hat and carrying a brief case exits the vehicle. He looks around then crosses the road and walks up the steps and through the door into the bank. There are three people inside; Mr. Jack Burgoyne whose grocery store is situated just 50 yards up the road, Mr. Lindsay A. Spears, the Eltham Agency Receiving Officer and by chance, Mr Harry Wallace, manager of the Greensborough branch.
Jack Burgoyne takes note of the young stranger; thinking to himself he appears nervous.
Mr. Lindsay Spears ,Receiving Officer, Commercial Bank of Australia, Eltham, The Age, 17 December 1949, p3
The man approaches the counter and introduces himself as John Henderson of Greensborough and explains that he wishes to open a new account. He places his hat and £3 on the counter. Mr Spears attends to the paperwork. He asks the young man to sign two forms, which he does but then he withdraws from the counter and starts walking towards the door. Suddenly he spins around pulling an automatic pistol from his right-hand pocket. He exclaims forcefully;
"The game's on! I'll take the lot!"
Spears appears to comply by pretending to open a drawer. The man shouts loudly,
"Keep your hand away from that drawer."
Spears instead reaches for a pistol in his pocket and challenges the man,
"Here it is. Come and get it!"
At the same time, Harry Wallace pulls a pistol from his pocket as well.
The bandit fires a shot but misses, the bullet striking the counter. Both Spears and Wallace open fire and Jack Burgoyne ducks for cover.
As the bandit turns and runs for the door leaving his £3 behind, he fires another shot, which strikes the ceiling. Spears fires back, and thinks he may have hit him in the foot. The bandit flees the bank and heads for the grey Singer car, registration NO-106, parked opposite. Wallace and Spears pursue him to the door and open fire again, striking the car three times around the driver's door. Spears lets off eight shots and Wallace, seven before his gun jams.
Senior-Constable N. Forbes examining -bullet holes (indicated) in the body of a stolen car in which the bandit escaped, The Age, 16 December 1949, p1
The getaway car initially heads slowly down Main Road towards Bridge Street. About 100 yards down the road, Dave Adams, a PMG employee, who has heard the shots, throws a steel manhole step at the driver. It hits the roof of the car nine inches above the driver's head and tears the hood. Another witness claims to have seen the door blow open and the driver raise his hand.
The car gathers speed and swings left into Bridge Street racing along at about 60 miles an hour careering recklessly past council employee, Mr. Percy Williams, who is driving a dray along Smarts Road [believed to be Bridge Street].
BANK HOLD-UP: SHOTS ECHOED IN QUIET STREET, The Argus, Friday, December 16, 1949, p3
At the end of the road the Singer fails to get round the sharp turn and crashes into an embankment skidding to a stop outside the home of Mr John Clifford. One side of the car is wrecked. Mr Clifford, an aircraft engineer hears the fast travelling car bump heavily into the road bank at about 1.25 p.m. Hearing the whine of an engine he goes outside to find the grey Singer parked at the side of the road.
Jack George also lives at the corner and hears the car crash.
"The bandit opened the car door, ran 50 yards, and suddenly turned back," exclaims Jack. "He took something from the car. It might have been a gun."
In his haste, the bandit drops his grey felt hat, size 6 7/8, on the road and dashes up Sherbourne Road for about 200 yards then disappears into the scrub carrying a brief case and a bundle in which a sailor's cap can be seen.
About 3 p.m., Mr H.D. Pettie of Mountain View Road, Montmorency is looking through his field glasses and notices a young man walking through thick scrub on private property some distance from his house. The man is wearing a sailor's cap and disappears along the railway track toward Montmorency.
ELTHAM HOLD-UP. — (Left) — Shire employe Percy Williams narrowly escaped a collision as the bandit fled in a stolen car. (Right) A police constable searching in the scrub where the fugitive disappeared after abandoning the car, The Age, 16 December, 1949, p3
As the day progresses, ten police cars, one motor cycle, and about 40 police led by Det. Sgt. McMennemin of Malvern CIB are searching for him. They believe he is hiding in thick scrub along the bank of the creek about half-a-mile outside Eltham township. Wireless patrol cars, four mobile traffic cars and the CIB area cars from Malvern and Kew are taking part.
Police check the thief's car and discover it was stolen from Helen Baxter, of Doncaster Road, North Balwyn from outside Victoria Barracks.
Harry Wallace informs the police that he believes he recognised the bandit as the man who took his pistol from his bedroom the previous Friday morning.
As night falls, armed police are posted at strategic points in the Eltham-Greensborough district. Police in cars are watching the roads. Others are searching the bush and checking passengers on trains. Little do they realise the young man has already slipped out of the net.
YOUTH OF 19 CHARGED WITH ATTEMPTED ARMED ROBBERY OF BANK AT ELTHAM
Weekly Times, Wednesday 15 February 1950, page 6
Detectives who raided a house in Bell St., Coburg, Melbourne, charged a 19-year-old youth, of South Yarra, with attempted armed robbery at the Commercial Bank's Eltham (Vic.) receiving depot on Dec. 15. Police say they recovered a loaded automatic pistol, diamond and signet rings worth more than £200, a complete set of house-breaking instruments, a sailor's uniform, and chloroform gauze in the raid.
The youth was charged that while armed with an offensive weapon, he attempted to rob Lindsay George Spears of a sum of money.
He was further charged on six counts of breaking, entering and stealing.
Police allege that the person who tried to hold up Mr Spears in the Commercial Bank receiving depot at Eltham on December 15. escaped in a stolen car, after Mr Spears and Mr Henry Wallace, manager of the bank's Greensborough branch, had fired at him.
After the car crashed, he escaped into thick scrub and is alleged to have changed into a sailor's uniform.
On December 9 an automatic pistol was stolen from Mr Wallace's bedroom at the Greensborough bank. The chloroform pad recovered is alleged to have been stolen from the Dental Supply Company, Plenty Road, Preston.
The rings are alleged to have been taken in a £513 burglary from the shop of James Paton. Sydney Road, Coburg.
Det. Sgt. H. McMennemin conducted the investigations with Senior Dets. R. Newton and M Downie, Detectives l. Dent, R. Rayner, P. Pedersen and M. Handley and First Constable A. Thomas. The youth will appear at Eltham Court on February 22.
Manager's Gun Used in Holdup at Bank
The Age, Thursday 23 February 1950, page 4
It was stated in Eltham court yesterday that a youth who robbed a bank manager of his pistol, later used it in an attempt to hold-up the bank.
Kay Arthur Morgan, 19, draftsman, of Castle-street, South Yarra, was committed for trial on charges of breaking and entering, and stealing a pistol and attempted robbery while armed with an offensive weapon. He pleaded guilty.
The manager of Eltham branch of the Commercial Bank of Australia Ltd., Henry Clifton Cabot Wallace, said he disturbed someone in the bedroom, in which he and his wife were sleeping, at 3 a.m. on December. 9, 1949. Later he found that his automatic- pistol was missing.
On December 15 a youth, who said his name was John Henderson, entered the bank and opened a new account. As the youth was leaving the bank he turned round with a pistol in his hand and said: — "I want the lot." Spear indicated a drawer under the counter; and said.— "Here it is. Come and get it." The youth said:— "Keep your hand away from that drawer."
Witness said Spear then drew his pistol from his hip pocket. The youth fired at them, and Spear returned the fire. "I pulled my pistol and fired, too" said witness. The youth fired again, ran out to a car and drove off. Witness and Spear fired several shots at the car.
The youth was the accused Morgan, sitting in court, witness said.
Evidence was given that one bullet was found in the celling and the other in the bank.
Morgan was allowed £100 bail on each charge.
But wait, there's more; another twist
Morgan ended up serving three years for the failed armed robbery and became a notorious criminal. He had twin sons, Peter and Doug and even though only ten years old, Morgan would get his sons to act as lookouts whilst he committed burglaries. The lads became building contractors but when the industry suffered a downturn in 1977 and they were short on cash, they returned to the family business. Over the following 23 months they undertook 24 raids on country and outer-suburban TABs and banks. Whilst robbing one country bank for the third time, just like their father, it all went wrong ending up with a police officer shot. They were nick-named the "After-dark" bandits and are considered to be Australia's last bushrangers. They were convicted and served 17 years in prison.
1949 'Took Pistol From Bank', The Herald (Melbourne, Vic. : 1861 – 1954), 9 December, p. 3. , viewed 12 Dec 2019, http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article244149395
1949 'GUNFIGHT IN BANK NEAR MELBOURNE', The Herald (Melbourne, Vic. : 1861 – 1954), 15 December, p. 1. , viewed 12 Dec 2019, http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article244139967
1949 'Hunt for bandit switches to city', The Argus (Melbourne, Vic. : 1848 – 1957), 16 December, p. 1. , viewed 12 Dec 2019, http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article22798717
1949 'POLICE HUNT FOR ELTHAM BANDIT', The Age (Melbourne, Vic. : 1854 – 1954), 16 December, p. 1. , viewed 12 Dec 2019, http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article189482129
1949 '-Police Search for Bank Intruder', The Age (Melbourne, Vic. : 1854 – 1954), 16 December, p. 3. , viewed 12 Dec 2019, http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article189482349
1949 'BANK OFFICIALS FOIL BANDIT', The Daily Telegraph (Sydney, NSW : 1931 – 1954), 16 December, p. 1. , viewed 13 Dec 2019, http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article248155927
1949 'Search of Scrub Proves Fruitless', The Age (Melbourne, Vic. : 1854 – 1954), 17 December, p. 3. , viewed 12 Dec 2019, http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article189481390
1950 'Eltham Bank Arrest Leads to Other Charges', The Age (Melbourne, Vic. : 1854 – 1954), 14 February, p. 3. , viewed 12 Dec 2019, http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article187348311
1950 'YOUTH OF 19 CHARGED WITH ATTEMPTED ARMED ROBBERY OF BANK AT ELTHAM', Weekly Times (Melbourne, Vic. : 1869 – 1954), 15 February, p. 6. , viewed 12 Dec 2019, http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article225452914
1950 'Manager's Gun Used in Holdup at Bank', The Age (Melbourne, Vic. : 1854 – 1954), 23 February, p. 4. , viewed 12 Dec 2019, http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article187348043
1950 '"Guilty" plea to pistol theft COURT TOLD OF LAD'S HOLD-UP BID', The Argus (Melbourne, Vic. : 1848 – 1957), 23 February, p. 7. , viewed 12 Dec 2019, http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article22812474
'Australia's last bushrangers were twins' by John Sylvester, The Age, April 27, 2019, https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/australia-s-last-bushrangers-were-twins-20190424-p51gqb.html
'Australia's last bushrangers: How twin brothers robbed banks across Victoria while bamboozling police by escaping in taxis, bikes and even a canoe – and the one mistake that lead to their capture' by Sahar Mourad, 9 May 2019 (also includes video of an interview with Peter and Doug Morgan aired on A Current Affair) https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/australias-last-bushrangers-how-twin-brothers-robbed-banks-across-victoria-while-bamboozling-police-by-escaping-in-taxis-bikes-and-even-a-canoe-and-the-one-mistake-that-lead-to-their-capture/ar-AAB8N3H?li=AAgfIYZ&%252525253BOCID=ansmsnnews11
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Buildings, On This Day, People
OTD: Dedication of the Shire of Eltham War Memorial, 16 Nov. 1951
#OnThisDay – In 1951 #OTD the Governor of Victoria, Sir Dallas Brooks dedicated the war memorial tower and caretaker's cottage at Garden Hill, Kangaroo Ground.
The tower has been a landmark since 1926 and above the portal on one side are the names of men who fell in the 1914-18 war. On another tablet unveiled by the Governor were inscribed the names of men who gave their lives in the 1939-45 war:-
Archer R., Bates A. L., Butherway J. H., Castledine G. E., Cary A. E., Clark R. C., Clerke A. C., Davies N. A., Dunlop C. D., Feldbauer T., Field K. F., Gahan S. M., Galletiy L. W. A., Guy T., Handley R . H. W., Hanlon H., F. L., Hellens W., Ingram L. S., McDonald E. H., McKimmie G. J., McLean S. C. A., McMahon .J. F., Morris A., Moyes J. A., Mynott L. R., Nichols, M. J., Walters G. W., West P.
The tower rising 50 feet was built by the people and committed to the care of the Eltham Shire Council in 1926. The suggestion of a memorial park was credited to Mr. V. A, Wippell (of Ivanhoe) and of a tower to Mr. B. Hall (of Panton Hill) being a replica of the watchtowers of early England and Scotland. The stone was the gift of Professor Osborne and was quarried on his Kangaroo Ground property. From the same area came the stone for the caretaker's cottage added in 1951 by the Shire Council and which had charge of the arrangements.
Let's take a journey 68 years back in time to that moment and join in the ceremonies . . .
Meeting at Lower Plenty, 16 Nov 1951
(Photo: Stuart Tompkins; from the collection of Eltham District Historical Society)
Sir Dallas Brooks, is attended by Capt. T. Kirwan Taylor. They are met at the Lower Plenty bridge (the line of demarcation between the municipalities of Eltham and Heidelberg) by the Shire President (Cr. F. .Griffith) and the Shire Secretary (Mr. R. J. Ham). Mr. G . Moir (as vice president) is representing the State branch of the R.S.L..
Lower Plenty School's welcome, 16 Nov 1951
Hearing that the Governor would be passing the Lower Plenty school on his way to open the Memorial at Kangaroo Ground an unrehearsed "reception" was quickly arranged. Obtaining permission from the headmaster, the school boys' band got ready. As the Governor arrives at the school they strike up and play the National Anthem, of course! The Governor is pleasantly surprised, thanks the children and grants them a holiday. He then returns to his car and the official party set off on the remainder of their journey to Kangaroo Ground.
The Tower . . Kangaroo Ground, 16 Nov 1951
At Garden Hill, 30 minutes later there is an air of excitement stirring among the gathered crowd as whispers start passing along the line that the official party have just arrived. In the company gathered around the edifice are numerous residents who remember the original unveiling by Lord Stonehaven on Armistice Day, a few days and 25 years ago.
The approach pathway is lined with children from many of the district schools and men who served in both wars are lining up to form a guard of honor section near the tower. There are veterans and young men and women, wearing on their breasts the colors, medals and other decorations won in battle. In charge is Mr. F. D. Stevens, the president of the R.S.L..
Introducing Guard of Honour, 16 Nov 1951
His Excellency finds time to amuse the children with some brief words and shakes hands with every member of the guard and with the next-of-kin of the honored dead.
Meeting R.S.S.A.I.L.A. Representative, Mr. G. Moir, 16 Nov 1951
Shire President's Address, 16 Nov 1951
R.S.S.A.I.L.A. Representative's Address, 16 Nov 1951
His Excellency's Address, 16 Nov 1951
Portion of Guests, 16 Nov 1951
Following the addresses by the President and Mr. Moir, the Governor in a moving ceremony of dedication releases the flag-covering of the memorial tablet. As the flag falls to the side revealing the new memorial tablet, a simple unforgettable tribute resonates from from tower-top with the stirring bugle note of "Last Post" and "Reveille."
Presentation, 16 Nov 1951
Mr R.J. Ham, the Shire Secretary then presents the Governor with a beautifully prepared brochure programme and for Lady Brooks, a gold bar brooch on which is mounted a small nugget.
Afternoon Tea, 16 Nov 1951
The official party and guests then make their way to the Kangaroo Ground hall where an excellent afternoon tea has been prepared by the wonderful ladies from the various branches of the Country Women's Association led by the Diamond Valley Group president, Mrs. V. Middleton.
It has been a day packed full of excitement, tears of sadness over our lost loved ones and lots of good things to eat. But now it's time to return to present day and hopefully reflect upon what those who came before us, wished for us to benefit from.
* Lest We Forget *
1951 'Dedication of Memorial Tower', The News; The Newspaper of the City of Heidelberg and the Shire of Eltham (Heidelberg, Vic), 23 (?) November
Archer R.Bates A. L.Butherway J. H.Capt. T. Kirwan TaylorCary A. E.Castledine G. E.Clark R. C.Clerke A. C.Country Women's Association (CWA)Cr. F. .GriffithDavies N. A.DedicationDunlop C. D.Eltham Shire CouncilF. L.Feldbauer T.Field K. F.Gahan S. M.Galletiy L. W. A.Garden HillGovernor of VictoriaGuy T.Handley R . H. W.Hanlon H.Hellens W.Ingram L. S.Kangaroo GroundKangaroo Ground HallLower Plenty Primary SchoolLower Plenty State SchoolM. J.McDonald E. H.McKimmie G. J.McLean S. C. A.McMahon .J. F.Memorial ParkMorris A.Moyes J. A.Mr. B. HallMr. F. D. StevensMr. G . MoirMr. R. J. HamMr. V. AMrs. V. MiddletonMynott L. R.NicholsProfessor OsborneR.S.L.Shire of Eltham War MemorialSir Dallas BrooksWalters G. W.War Memorial TowerWest P.Wippell
Eltham Cemetery Stories, People
Myles Archibald Lyons (1823-1899)
Headstone of Myles Archibald Lyons (1823-1899) and four children, Eltham Cemetery
In 1872 Senior Constable Myles Lyons replaced Peter Lawlor at Eltham Police Station. Earlier in his career, he had taken part in a search (one of many) for missing explorers Burke and Wills. At Eltham, his arrests ranged from minor instances of theft, vandalism and larrikinism to serious cases of manslaughter, murder and attempted suicide. He even tracked down and arrested two Norwegian seamen charged with desertion from their vessel. While conveying a prisoner from Eltham to Melbourne in 1886, he was attacked by the prisoner en route.
It seems that much of the local news in the Evelyn Observer was provided by Eltham Shire Secretary C.S. Wingrove. In 1878, Eltham residents held an "Indignation Meeting" at the Evelyn Hotel, complaining that the reporting had denigrated Lyons' conduct and had stigmatised the character of Eltham's inhabitants. They passed a resolution castigating Wingrove and supporting Lyons. Wingrove claimed to have been misconstrued. But in 1887 the Evelyn Observer carried a long ranting vitriolic editorial. It complained about inadequate policing generally, then attacked Lyons personally, saying that (although efficient in the past) he had now become incompetent and needed to be replaced by a younger more energetic man.
Myles Lyons retired due to ill health in 1889 but remained in Eltham until his death in 1899. He is buried in Eltham Cemetery with his wife Flora and five of their children. Four sons moved to Western Australia where two were killed in unconnected railway accidents.
Eltham Cemetery StoriesEltham Police StationMyles Archibald Lyons (1823-1899)Victoria Police
Peter Paul Lawlor (1821-1876)
Headstone of Peter Lawlor, Eltham Cemetery, Sept. 2017
The Victorian gold rush came to Eltham in the early 1850s and with it came a crime wave. Local traders called for police protection. This led to the appointment in 1857 of Irish-born Peter Lawlor as Senior Constable at Eltham. In 1859 Peter and his wife Kate were able to move into an official police residence at the corner of Maria Street (now Main Road) and Brougham Street, with stables out the back and a large paddock for grazing across the road. Some of their children went to Eltham Primary School. That 1859 police residence is now the home of the Eltham District Historical Society. The small wooden building on the very corner is a modern replica of the separate police station/office built around 1885-1900.
Cases investigated by Constable Lawlor included murders, stealing (horses, cattle, fowls, watches, linen, clothing), a search for a missing person, and two separate instances of abandoned children seeking help. He was officially commended in 1866 for bringing to justice a man who had indecently assaulted an 11-year old girl. Sadly, there was a similar but unconnected case only a few months later. But events had a lighter side; in 1871 Kate lent her piano to the Snowflakes Christy Minstrels for a Catholic Church fund-raising concert.
Peter was transferred to Prahran in 1872. He died in 1876 and is buried in Eltham Cemetery with four of his children. His headstone was stolen some time after May 1990 but was returned anonymously (broken into three pieces) in August 2013. It is resting on his grave but has not been re-erected.
Headstone of Peter Lawlor, Eltham Cemetery, May 1990
Eltham Cemetery StoriesEltham Police StationPeter Paul Lawlor (1821-1876)Victoria Police

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