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Judge gives high school teacher 31-day sentence for statutory rape of 14-year-old girl
A Montana judge has sparked a national outpouring of fury after he ordered a now 54-year-old former high school teacher convicted of the statutory rape of a 14-year-old girl to serve just 31 days in prison, reports the Missoulian.
The crime occurred in 2007. The girl, Cherice Morales, later committed suicide.
Yellowstone County district judge G. Todd Baugh was not moved by the girl's plight, however. In his view, in fact, the 14-year-old Billings rape victim was "as much in control of the situation" as the teacher was, notes the Missoulian. He said she was also a problem-plagued kid who was "older than her chronological age."
Under Montana law, a person under the age of 16 doesn't have the legal ability to agree to sexual intercourse. Therefore, the relationship between Morales and the disgraced Billings Senior High School teacher, Stacey Dean Rambold was felony rape.
Baugh sentenced Rambold to 15 years in prison. If that sounds harsh, don't fret: Baugh suspended all but 31 days of the sentence (so approximately 5,450 suspended days).
Rambold will get credit for the one day he has already served in jail for his crime. He will also spend 15 years on probation and be required to register as a sex offender.
The deceased girl's mother, Auliea Hanlon, was very disappointed in the outcome.
"You people suck!" she yelled several times before leaving the courtroom angrily.
Before Baugh handed down the flimsy sentence, Hanlon had testified that Rambold's statutory rape of Morales was a "major factor" in the girl's later suicide. The distraught mother pleaded with the judge for a harsh sentence.
A doctor who is treating Rambold also testified, assuring the judge that the convict poses a low risk to society.
Morales killed herself a few weeks prior to her 17th birthday, around the time Rambold was criminally charged because of their illicit, illegal affair.
Rambold's jail sentence was only imposed after he violated requirements imposed on him because of his sex offender status. (Baugh characterized the violations as minor, according to KULR; they involved therapy rules and interaction with his own nieces and nephews).
"I was horrified," Hanlon said later, according to local NBC affiliate KULR-TV. "And I don't believe in justice any more. There is a statement prepared. It pretty much says it all. It was a joke."
In that later statement, Hanlon said of her daughter: "She wasn't even old enough to get a driver's license. But Judge Baugh, who never met our daughter, justified the paltry sentence saying she was older than her chronological age."
Baugh stood firmly by his sentence.
"Obviously, a 14-year-old can't consent. I think that people have in mind that this was some violent, forcible, horrible rape," the judge said. "It was horrible enough as it is, just given her age, but it wasn't this forcible beat-up rape."
Local organizers opposed to the sentence have announced a Thursday rally. Several petitions to unseat Judge Baugh have also sprung up including this one and this one.
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2019 NBA Playoffs discussion thread!!!
Thread: 2019 NBA Playoffs discussion thread!!!
Portland did a very good job being up 3-1 vs okc when every "expert" predicted okc to win in 5 or 6, they're on a mission since nurkic's injury.
Kanter is playing well. Don't know how Stotts did it but he has Kanter playing good defense. McCollum is a stud. Controlled the 4th quarter. These guys have a chance to go to the WCF.
Kanter, Aminu, and Harkless have been excellent for the Blazers... McCollum and Dame are getting the better of Westbrick and PG.
It's really nice watching OKC get bounced early again, while watching Westy shoot 5-21 lmfao yea George you made your choice now you suffer never making a deep playoff run... Westbrook is never going to change.
Agree, they're on the good side of the west, no GS or hou to face.
Now hoping Bucks lose to the Celtics, so don't have to read the absolute trash Bucky and Giannis write in the NBA forum.
Nope, hoping the bucks beat boston, firstable I like Giannis, then I have a friend who's a celtics fan.
Yea I hate the Celtics and don't really mind Bucks but goodness those 2 make liking the Bucks intolerable.
There will always be trolls in here, don't give a chit.


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Garth Brooks will premiere his new primetime television special, GARTH: LIVE AT NOTRE DAME!, Sunday, Dec. 2 (8:00PM-10:00PM, ET/PT) on the CBS Television Network. The special will capture Brooks while he performs the first live concert ever held at the legendary Notre Dame Stadium, at the University of Notre Dame in Notre Dame, Indiana, on Saturday, Oct. 20.
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AC/DC's 'Shot In The Dark' Single To Arrive On Wednesday; New Teaser Available
AC/DC will release "Shot In The Dark", the first single from the band's long-awaited comeback album, on Wednesday, October 7 at 12:00 a.m. EDT / 9:00 p.m. PDT (Tuesday night). The follow-up to 2014's "Rock Or Bust", "PWR/UP" features AC/DC's 2020 lineup of Brian Johnson (vocals), Phil Rudd (drums), Cliff Williams (bass), Angus Young (guitar) and Stevie Young (guitar).
A brand new teaser for "Shot In The Dark" is available below.
Last month, images seemingly taken from a new video shoot were apparently posted on the band's official web site before being swiftly removed. The photos, which were obtained by a Brazilian fan site, appeared to show Johnson joined by Rudd, Williams and Angus and Stevie Young. The pictures were the first of Phil and Stevie sharing a stage, adding weight to the rumor of Rudd's return.
Earlier in the year, prior to the coronavirus outbreak, it was rumored that AC/DC was about to announce a world stadium tour. The trek will apparently include Johnson, who was forced to leave the band mid-tour four years ago due to a dangerous level of hearing loss. He was eventually replaced on the road by GUNS N' ROSES vocalist Axl Rose.
More than two years ago, Brian and Phil, along with Angus and Stevie, were photographed outside Vancouver's Warehouse Studios. Based on the pictures, the assumption was that AC/DC was in the midst of making — or at least planning — another album, with Rudd and Johnson both back in the lineup.
Ever since AC/DC completed the tour cycle for its 2014 album "Rock Or Bust" four years ago — a turbulent trek that weathered the forced retirement and eventual death of co-founder Malcolm Young, plus the departures of Johnson, Rudd and Williams — fans have wondered whether sole remaining founding member Angus Young would keep the band going or decide it was time for AC/DC to pack it in.
In February 2019, a photo surfaced on social media suggesting that Williams has also returned to AC/DC and will appear on the comeback album.
A September 2018 report from JAM! magazine cited a "reliable source inside the AC/DC camp" as indicating that the band was recording a new LP which would utilize previously unreleased guitar tracks from Malcolm Young on all the songs.
Rudd was ousted from AC/DC when he was sentenced to eight months of home detention by a New Zealand court in 2015 after pleading guilty to charges of threatening to kill and drug possession.
Rudd, who has appeared on all but three of AC/DC's 18 studio albums, toured in support of his 2014 solo debut, "Head Job". It was the release of that album that led indirectly to Rudd's arrest, with the drummer allegedly so angry at a personal assistant over the way the record was promoted that he threatened to have the man and his daughter killed.


This is the second part of our Allotment Diary. If you haven't read part 1, read it here!
Easter was a busy time for re-potting, planting in the polytunnel, growing more module trays (Dill, Vervain, Sunflower, Hemp, Cardoon, Parlsey, Mullein, Sage) and hardening off. Some of the first module trays were now strong enough to fend for themselves in the polytunnel. No slugs or snail attacks as yet although a mouse ate all my newly planted out peas on the 8th April..
On the 10th we planted out the potatoes in trenches, sowed parsnips inter-cropped with radishes and planted out the different Mints we had received into large pots. Leanne also had a mouse attack (RIP Peas) and the horseradish we'd planted out in the wild came a cropper.
A visit by another Cordingley family member for a few days around the 17th April meant we could get some more beds dug and the weather was unseasonally warm (although April is now known as the Welsh summer). We dug a perennial bed which would soon be home to asparagus, jerusalem artichokes and sorrel.
The 19th was a special day as we harvested our first salad of the year – 42g of lettuce, mizuna and turnip greens and a solitary leaf of mustard. Very tasty it was too!
As an experiment we built an outdoor salad bed about 1.5m square to Charles Dowding's specifications. We didn't want any nasty weeds in the bed so we dug all the soil out, put slate around and then added horse muck, riddled soil, rock dust, grass clippings, compost/soil mix and then a bag of compost in that order.
By now everything was getting a little stressful as we were counting down to our wedding as well as gardening. During that days before we left we germinated loads more seeds, transplanted spinach, moved lettuce and beetroot to the outside bed as well as planting radishes and lettuces outside. Then on April 28th we set off for the Peak district for our wedding. Leaving the plants to fend for themselves (with some grateful help from others in the community).
We arrived back on the 4th April for a brief visit before leaving again on our honeymoon. We were amazed how everything had grown; the salad outside was great, no nibbles. We picked loads from the polytunnel for dinner: rocket, mizuna, turnip greens, dill, coriander, spinach and radishes. Lovely! We did a little weeding, repotted tomatoes and chillies and disappeared again for 10 days.
Despite some hard frosts in our absence, the fleece came to the rescue and saved the potatoes. The outdoor salad was untouched by slugs and growing really well. Everything in the polytunnel was growing almost too well, some things going to seed. There is more salad to eat than we know what to do with!
Our Scarecrow also found her home outside too.
But the gardening continues. Leeks were planted out (some bought in/the home grown were a bit of a failure), more module trays of spinaches, lettuce, chard, mange tout, basils, coriander, parsley.
June 3rd – I write this on a sunny June morning. Outside the onions and leeks are slowly growing, the new potato plants are looking vibrant. The carrot, parsnip and beetroot seedlings push tentatively towards the blue sky above. A mole has tunnelled under the jet black compost of the outdoor salad bed, disturbing the roots below but hopefully not destroying the lettuces, spinach, chard, beetroot, radishes and rocket that will be filling our salads and sandwiches in the warmer weeks ahead.
It's been a very good start to our first growing year.
How time flies! It seems like only yesterday that we were unpacking the transit van into our new little flat in Llanidloes with the wood burner firing away. Now the sound of screeching swifts fills the air, the front door is ajar and the summer pollen is wafting through the window. (OK I wrote this last week, it's now raining!) This post is about how we have started to learn how to feed ourselves. We make no pretence of being anything like self-sufficient; but would we like to self-reliant-ish. This is the start of an exciting journey, every minute we spend reconnecting with the soil rather than blogging and looking at facebook means more empowerment in our own futures. We want to learn important life skills and that isn't how good you are at powerpoint presentations or conference calls.
We moved here with hopes to grow some vegetables but arrived too late to really get anything growing over the winter. For that you need to have planted veg earlier and it was probably a good idea that we didn't try as last winter was one of the longest, hardest and coldest of the last 50 years. This two part blog post is a little update of what we've been up to over the last six months.
We spent the winter months preparing our beds. When I say "beds" I mean grass. And not just any old grass; grass on a slope incorporating such delights as couch grass, dandelions, bindweed and nettles. Oh and sticky damp clay soil too!
On the 10th we attempted to design some beds optimally for the available space. We had wanted to make raised wooden beds but for now we just raised the level of the beds and lowered the paths. You don't want to be stepping on your beds ever! Then hopefully we can just add organic matter to the top each year and never have to dig them again. Joy Larkcom recommends soil paths wide enough for a wheelbarrow to pass through the main area of the plot with little side paths maximising the space available. So off we went with a tape measure and some string and measured it all out. We ended up with something that looks a bit like "211".
Then we had to dig it all out. We took the top layer off and stacked it all next to the fence to create a turf stack. The idea being that all this would be covered for 1-2 years leaving the stack to rot down; the weeds to die and eventually end up with a nice pile of top soil. Luckily a bit of frost made it much easier to slice off the top layer of grass/soil. Once most of the top layer was gone, we covered the beds in cardboard, and then added a layer of manure/grass clippings to the top and then covered it all with compost. In hindsight I wouldn't have done this again as we just ended up picking out chunks of cardboard when we came to remove the weeds. On the 18th the ice came and winter was thrust upon us. We left the beds hibernating for the winter, the carpets suppressing the weeds and left winter's icy fingers to break everything down for us….
On the shortest day of the year we prepared the polytunnel by removing all large stones, riddling the bed and adding a good layer of leaf mould. We did this as the snow drifted down from a white sky and settled all over the garden.
Not much happened outdoors during January. The winter evenings were spent wrapped up on the sofa in front of our wood burner flicking through the Real Seeds catalogues and imagining the taste of all the vegetables we were going to grow in the year ahead as the temperature outside plummeted to as low as -20c.
More digging. We didn't think it was going to be easy and part of our philosophy is to use our own muscle power rather than relying on machines. Digging the ground for a couple of hours on a crisp winter's day is actually very enjoyable, costs nothing and beats the soulless fitness centre. We dug over each bed twice to carefully remove any perennial weed roots. I can't pretend that this was that much fun! And despite all the work we put in, we still keep finding dandelions, thistles and buttercups creeping up amongst the vegetables. At least we're learning what baby perennial weeds look like in the wild..
We riddled the polytunnel further and added manure at the back to break down for cucumber planting. We also took a trip to Machynlleth to the annual Seedy Sunday – a good chance to swap seeds and listen to seed saving talks.
Not much life yet, just the potatoes chitting away in egg boxes on the window sill.
With dry warm weather during the day, we began to improve the paths and slightly terrace some of the beds using slates from the old house roof and large branches. We are eager to progress with actually growing things but the cold nights and short days forced us to be more patient! Next year we should have lots of overwintered oriental salads and brassicas but for now we'll just have to buy them from the shop.
The top herb garden was cleared down and rearranged, this took 4 of us nearly 2 days so a lot of weeds were extracted from the soil. Still in maintenance mode we cleared leaves (which should have been done in the autumn) and filled the leaf mould bins.
By the time of the Spring Equinox, the daffodils were starting to come into blossom. I followed the advice of Charles Dowding's Salad Leaves for all Seasons book and planted two module trays of seeds that should be good for late Spring eating. These included lettuces, spinach, sorrel, pea, coriander and dill.. We also sowed our first row of land cress, rocket, turnip green, mizuna, radishes directly into the polytunnel.
Meanwhile Leanne built a cucumber frame, planted out some mange tout, peas and beans as an experiment in the polytunnel as well as radish, rocket and carrots. Leeks and celery were sown in seed trays and more beans and peas in toilet roll tubes. Her other plants included Lupin, Sweet Peas, Parsley, Calendula, Nasturtium, Giant Sunflowers, Tomatoes, Dill and Chilli.
By the end of the month things were starting to sprout; we hadn't really thought things might actually grow so it was exciting to see all the trays coming to life.


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With Stevie Wonder once again being an extremely high profile artist for several reasons, I thought now�s the time to chat about him in MT by four.
LIVE AT LAST � A WONDER SUMMER'S NIGHT
First things first though. It�s been a long time coming but at long last, as Motown celebrates its 50th anniversary, Stevie releases his first ever live concert on dvd. Titled Live At Last � A Wonder Summer's Night it was filmed at the o2 Arena, London, over two nights (30 September and 1 October last year) before an audience of 15,000 each time. As you know, these concerts were part of his first tour in over a decade which, I�m told, sold more than a massive 120,000 tickets in the UK alone.
Anyway, last Saturday afternoon was show time in my household, and with three young men, I danced and sang through a series of songs that marked milestones in Stevie�s career. We watched as he introduced the show with All Blues, As If You Read My Mind and Master Blaster (Jammin�) before singing grossly out of tune, we helped him sing the familiar My Cherie Amour, Signed, Sealed, Delivered I�m Yours, Isn�t She Lovely, Lately, I Just Called To Say I Love You, Higher Ground, You Are The Sunshine Of My Life before changing direction with All I Do, Overjoyed, Don�t You Worry 'Bout A Thing' and Knocks Me Off My Feet. (Not necessarily in that order.) Off the wall musical moments included Chick Corea�s Spain instrumental, and his tribute, or salute, to the British audiences with a medley of two Beatles� tracks, I Want To Hold Your Hand and Fool On The Hill plus The Rolling Stones� version of (I Can�t Get No) Satisfaction which he book-ended with London Bridge Is Falling Down! I kid you not. It was great, great fun! Superstition nearly killed me but I took my medication and went to lay down for a while! My funking days are over, but the guys danced on, playing penny whistles and waving paper sticks as they did so. They had no idea who Stevie was, and had never heard his music before. When I explained a little about who they were watching, one said it was such a shame he couldn�t see all the people in the audience dancing and waving at him!
So thanks for the impromptu concert you guys. Oh by the way, Joshua is ten years old; my godson Mitchell is eight and Samuel, a mere six years.
Stevie Wonder was magnificent; truly, truly outa this world. His musicians and support singers (including his daughter Aisha�) were of another planet as they produced a full, rich and funky sound from start to finish. They played as one and obviously enjoyed themselves as they did. I could have been in his audience, I felt that involved. So Live At Last - A Wonder Summer�s Night comes highly recommended!
SIGNED, SEALED, DELIVERED I'M YOURS
Talking about [H]Signed, Sealed, Delivered I�m Yours, I�m reminded of an earlier email exchange with Lynda Laurence who, like others, are celebrating the 40th anniversary of this song being recorded. Prior to joining The Supremes, Lynda was, of course, a member of Stevie�s Wonderlove, and she told me that when Stevie�s asked which of his songs he wrote and recorded is the most requested he answers Signed, Sealed, Delivered. �And recently it was used on the campaign trail for President Barack Obama. So this song continues to find new life through each generation since its creation. I can�t believe it�s been forty years since I had the honour of recording the song with Stevie. It was even more wonderful when he asked me to do � what is called in the business � to step out in the background to sing an ad lib and a �yell� as it were. It�s amazing how many people still think that Stevie�s doing the �yell� and it�s me! It would take too much time to tell the story of how this all came about, but the late Syreeta Wright was also one of the singers (she also co-wrote the song) �and the third is Venetta Fields who now lives in Australia. ..Together we had a strong sound and I think that�s what Stevie wanted on that song. Although it has been forty years I still marvel when I see old and young alike dancing and singing along with it. It�s just one of those songs that has great lyrics, great music and, of course, the music man himself!� Thanks my friend! Oh, Lynda also added that she�ll write in more detail about this and other aspects of her life in her forthcoming autobiography. In the pictures featured here L-R is Lynda�s sister Sundray, Terry Hendricks and Lynda herself. OK? Thanks Eric for your prompt reply here!
Before we leave the subject, a few more facts about Signed, Sealed, Delivered I�m Yours �it was released in 1970, peaked at number three on the US chart and spent six weeks at the top of the R&B chart, while over here it reached number 15. The song was the first to be produced by Stevie; the first to feature Wonderlove, and his first Grammy nomination. (The winner was Clarence Carter�s Patches by the way. Yeh, a good song too.) Stevie credited his late mum Lula for coming up with the phrase �signed, sealed, delivered I�m yours� after hearing him experiment with the song�s melody.
OBAMA'S 1ST ARTIST
And, of course Barack Obama used it to round off his speeches at presidential campaign events. In fact, Stevie sang the song in Denver, Colorado, on the final night of last year�s Democratic National Convention. And at Obama�s election night rally in Chicago, the song was one of three played before his victory speech. It was, apparently, also used on David Axelrod�s mobile (he was the chief campaign strategist) to indicate it was a call from Obama. As one journalist pointed out � as great as the song is one can�t help wondering if the opening line �Like a fool I went and stayed too long�, or on the bridge �I�ve done a lot of foolish things that I really didn�t mean� really are applicable to a new president!
It�s been well documented in the media that Stevie recently performed in the East Room of the White House before a celebrity audience including the new President and the First Lady, Michelle. She presented the Motown star with the Library of Congress Gershwin Prize for Popular Song, telling the audience that Talking Book was the first album she had ever bought. Her grandfather was a real �music junkie� and they would sit and listen to Stevie�s music together. �And then there was the album cover, a first that was in Braille. Years later, I discovered what Stevie meant when he sang about love. Barack and I chose the song You And I as our wedding song�.He recently performed with the Jonas Brothers, thrilling a new generation of young girls, including our own.� (They performed together at the 51st Grammy Awards gala. This was Stevie�s 12th performance � a record by all accounts) The President took over from his wife saying Stevie had always drawn from the incredible range of traditions in his music and from then he created a sound that at once was uniquely American and uniquely universal � ��As Stevie knows I�m a huge fan, and he has been a great supporter. When I was first discovering music, just like Michelle, it was Stevie�s albums that I found, and his songs became the soundtrack of my youth�.And I think it�s fair to say that had I not been a Stevie Wonder fan, Michelle might not have dated me. We might not have married. The fact that we agreed on Stevie was part of the essence of our courtship.� In reply, Stevie, clearly touched and taken aback, cheekily expressed his delight at being part of their um relationship! �But what�s really exciting for me today is that we truly have lived to see a time where America has the chance to live up to the greatness that it deserves to be seen and known as, through the love and the caring and the commitment of..President Obama. It�s exciting because I know my children will be able to say �I was born when there was the first African American president.� Yeh, I can do that too! � He then reflected about Dr Martin Luther King and a united America, before closing with �I want you to know that I love you til my last breath. Thank you.�
GRAMMY NOMINATION
In his most recent past, Stevie and Raphael Saadiq were nominated for a Grammy in the Best R&B Performance By A Duo Or Group With Vocals category for Never Give You Up, a song on which Stevie plays harmonica; he contributed to the cd release of the inauguration of the (then) President elect by singing the new song All About The Love Again (which he recorded partly in his own voice and partly in a futuristic voice) and later went on to close the NAACP awards gala with 'Black Man.'
STEVIE LEADING THE BLIND
He also called upon technology companies to produce products more suited to the blind by making changes in their designs which would make a huge difference to people with impaired vision. For example, why not make microwaves with raised buttons to enable a blind person to navigate the cooking range? Or provide equipment with speech synthesis, like iPods. In an exclusive interview with Richard Taylor, editor of Click, Stevie said he owned an iPod and a reading machine but added � �..if they are not the units that go around and around, if they stop at a certain point, it is a matter of counting the clicks to know where you are. An example is the blackberry phone. I understand they are going to make it more accessible and being more accessible is always a plus.� Naturally, touch screens are a nightmare. �I think someone was going to show us something that could be attached to either a phone, making it tactile so that a blind person would be able to know where he or she was on the phone.� And on recovering his sight, Stevie said he was aware of the remarkable stories about people who have recovered their sight through technological advances and treatments. He was all for stem cell research, he said, and added � �I am all for anything that is going to better equip a person who is physically challenged in any way, to have an opportunity to be able to do what they are able to do.� Stevie was tested but, apparently, there may be a problem with his particular type of blindness which might make him not eligible for the treatment. However, technology is changing constantly, so he�ll never give up hope.
On the music front. Well, there�s a remastered Songs In The Key Of Life due (just turned on the radio and He�s Misstra Know It All is playing � how bloody spooky is that!) and The Gospel Inspired By Lula a tribute to his late mum. This will include cover versions of her favourite songs although the album isn�t all traditional gospel. �I�m gonna have a wide spectrum..I might do a song in Arabic. I might do one in Hebrew and one in Zulu. (Or) I might do one that has an East Indian feel to it. It will be songs of celebration really.� But he cautioned Billboard�s Gary Graff � �If it�s not good enough I might not put it out � you know how we roll!�
Phew! I�m writing on empty now, so will bid you farewell. Just think, this Motown Tracking came about simply because I received a dvd in the post! Hope you enjoyed it all. Next time we�ll start a rolling section titled �What Motown�s 50th Anniversary Means To Me� within these pages. Sounds like fun? You bet it is!
Sharon Davis xx
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By Charles Hugh Smith - Sep 03, 2010, 10:43 AM CDT
China's "nuclear option"--selling its vast stash of U.S. Treasuries to wreak havoc on the U.S. economy and interest rates--has been downgraded by the flood of U.S. investors who have exited stocks in favor of Treasury bonds.
Pundits on both sides of the Pacific have been chewing on China's "nuclear financial option" for years. Here's the "story" in a nutshell:
1. The U.S. government has run a massive deficit since 2001.
2. Enamoured of real estate and stocks, U.S. investors shunned low-yield U.S. Treasury bonds (T-Bills).
3. As China's trade surpluses with the U.S. surged, generating billions in dollars that China needed to park in a safe, liquid market. U.S. Treasuries offered just such a market.
4. Following the lead of its mercantilist exporter neighbor Japan, which had long recycled its trade surpluses into Treasuries, China soaked up U.S. Treasuries for another reason: to keep interest rates low in one of its biggest markets (the U.S.).
5. If demand for Treasuries slumped, interest rates would rise, rippling through the U.S. economy, pinching credit-dependent U.S. consumers who would then buy fewer goods imported from China.
6. China buying massive quantities of U.S. Treasuries was thus a "ewin-win" situation for both the credit-dependent U.S. and trade-surplus China.
7. This dynamic led to China's hoard of Treasuries swelling to a staggering $1.2 trillion.
8. As the U.S. dollar declined in value against gold and other currencies, China's leadership understandably became nervous about being so exposed to significant declines in the purchasing power of their $1.2 trillion stash of Treasuries.
9. In response, China has trimmed its purchases and moved its portfolio into shorter-term U.S. bonds which are less exposed to the risk of future inflation.
10. The sheer size of the Chinese portfolio launched the "nuclear option" speculation: could China sink the U.S. economy via the financial "weapon" of selling its vast holdings of Treasuries?
11. Were China (or any owner) to dump $500+ billion of Treasuries on the market in one fell swoop, the supply would exceed demand, and the likely result would be a sudden, steep rise in yields (interest rates) as the Treasury would have to raise rates to attract more capital.
12. This sudden leap up in interest rates would devastate the U.S. economy on multiple levels: real estate would tank as mortgage rates jumped, stock would become less attractive when compared to high-yielding bonds, and the holders of existing low-yield bonds would suffer massive losses in the market value of their bonds. U.S. consumers would also face higher costs of borrowing.
13. The linchpin of the "nuclear option" is the belief that China has "decoupled" from the U.S. economy and thus can risk the collapse of its exports to the U.S. as American consumers are too crimped by higher rates to buy more Chinese goods. As I showed yesterday, faith in "decoupling" is misplaced and unsupported by financial facts.
14. The other part of the "nuclear option" story is that China could express its displeasure over various political and trade issues merely by threatening to pursue the "nuclear option."
But a funny thing happened to the "nuclear option" story": American investors have absorbed almost $4 trillion in U.S. Treasuries, making domestic owners the largest holders of Treasuries. China's holdings, as vast as they are, are now a modest percentage of domestic owners--as little as 25%.
This domestic move out of equities and into Treasuries is a sea change with broad consequences. Hundreds of billions of dollars has been pulled out of U.S. equities and dumped into low-yield Treasuries. For context, recall that domestic U.S. assets (real estate, bonds, equities, and other marketable capital) is around $52 trillion.
So owning $4 trillion in Treasuries--more than all non-U.S. owners combined, including China, Japan and the Gulf Oil states--does not require that great a percentage of U.S. capital. Even if U.S. owners absorbed another $4 trillion, that would make Treasuries less than 20% of total capital.
There are limits to U.S. debt growth, however, and it is those limits which constitute "the nuclear option." The U.S. could readily absorb the entire Chinese portfolio ($1.2 trillion), but what it cannot absorb is $1.4 trillion in annual deficits, year after year. In other words, if dent is a "nuclear" weapon, the U.S. will have to set the weapon off itself by borrowing more than it can support out of national income.
If the U.S. economy melts down due to over-borrowing, we have nobody to blame but ourselves.
The U.S. government has already borrowed over $3 trillion in the past two years; at that pace, the nation's debt load will quickly balloon to ujnsustainable levels. (Exactly what that level will be depends on the interest rate/yield demanded by future buyers of Treasuries.)
Ironically, perhaps, the key driver behind domestic purchases of Treasuries is the widespread disdain for stocks after two equity meltdowns in less than a single decade.
The net result of this structural change is the Chinese "nuclear option" has been reduced to a firecracker.
China's leverage has slipped along with its percentage of the total Treasury market, and with Americans' disavowal of equities as a rigged, risky market.
Which side of the trade would you rather hold: China's dwindling share of U.S. bonds, or the U.S. share of Chinese exports? Let's put it this way: if China's export market implodes and its trade surplus disappears, the central government will have trouble creating the jobs needed to maintain its power.
If China launches its "nucelar option," the market might be roiled for a short period of time, but their share of the total Treasury markets is simply too small now to be "nuclear."
Perhaps the real "nuclear option" here is the potential for the U.S. to restrict China's imports to the U.S. market. Should China's exports dry up, it will face domestic turmoil on a scale few can imagine.
Charles Hugh Smith has been an independent journalist for 22 years. His weblog, www.oftwominds.com, draws two million visits a year with unique analyses of global finance, stocks and political economy. He has written six novels and Weblogs & New Media: Marketing in Crisis and just released Survival+: Structuring Prosperity for Yourself and the Nation.
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Published in The Financial Times, 2005
In retrospect, I should probably have conducted my interview with Louis Theroux in his kitchen, as he removed the limescale from his kettle, or in his bathroom, as he gave his toilet bowl a good scrub. After all, talking to people in intimate places is one of the ways in which Theroux extracts delicious revelations from his documentary subjects – revelations such as the one from Tory MP Ann Widdecombe that she possesses a collection of teddy-bear plates, or from former TV presenter Sir Jimmy Savile that, in his days as a nightclub manager, he would tie up miscreants and lock them in a basement.
However, for random reasons, we end up meeting at an anonymous branch of the sandwich shop Pret A Manger on the edge of the City of London. When I arrive the 35-year-old documentary maker is sitting in a corner, under a giant picture of a pumpkin, a cup of coffee between his hands, staring into the distance. Despite the stubble and the crumpled shirt and his general air of distraction, he strikes a handsome figure – dark, big brown eyes, 6ft 2 1/2in tall – and I suddenly understand why three female colleagues had offered to accompany me to the assignment and why Tatler magazine once named Theroux the seventh most-wanted single man in Britain.
"Did they really say that?" he says, sounding endearingly surprised. "How funny. I never even saw that. But have you seen this week's Heat magazine? Someone told me I was in the 'weird crush' top 10. I think I got 4 per cent of the vote!"
Unfortunately, Theroux's work, hanging out with brothel operators, neo-Nazis and the likes of Sir Jimmy Savile, has also got him on to less desirable lists – the neo-Nazi group Combat 18's hit list, for instance.
"Yeah, I only found that out last year!" he exclaims. "But I've had the world of the white power movement demystified for me. All it means is that there is a confused skinhead in Belfast or somewhere, who has compiled a list of celebrities he doesn't like and shown it to a mate. I certainly wouldn't get too worried about it. I think Cilla Black and Lenny Henry and most of the world of light entertainment are on it."
It's hard to tell from this comment whether Theroux, who began his TV career as a correspondent for Michael Moore's TV Nation, necessarily sees himself as being part of the world of light entertainment, but it is a world he at least flirts with. At their best, his documentaries – Weird Weekends, where he met a series of off-beat characters, and Louis Meets . . . , where he focused on celebrities such as Ann Widdecombe, disgraced fellow MP Neil Hamilton and his wife Christine, and the publicist Max Clifford – blur the boundary between documentary and comedy, between the real and unreal.
It's an incredibly effective formula, but also one that has drawn criticism from people who suggest that behind Louis's on-screen deference, facial exaggerations, naive questions, silences, wide-eyed enthusiasm, and general air of befuddlement, lies a shrewd media operator who manipulates his subjects – a view propounded by one of his subjects, Ann Widdecombe, who remarked after her documentary: "He pretends to be dumb and he's not. For instance, he seriously tried to convince me that he didn't know that St James's Palace was still standing. It is not remotely credible."
"It was true though," protests Theroux, blinking under the giant pumpkin. "You get confused sometimes. I just wasn't sure if it was still standing. I know it is now, but I am not a big palace watcher."
But, Louis, you have a first-class degree in history from Oxford.
"Yeah, yeah that's true."
One of those famous Theroux silences.
"Had she asked me if it was standing in the 18th century I would have been able to tell her. But, you know, her general knowledge is not that good either. She didn't know who Alexander Dubcek was . . . "
Another silence – this time mine, as I wonder whether I should admit to not knowing who Dubcek is either.
"Yeah, yeah, but you're not an MP," he says, sensing my ignorance. "He was a Czechoslovakian politician. A famous reformist. I thought she should know that."
Widdecombe has not been alone in the criticism. Several commentators castigated Theroux for saying to Christine Hamilton, as he was extracting intimate confessions during filming: "I'm not a journalist, I'm a friend." He scratches his stubble as he recalls the remark. "Yeah, she gave me some flack for that afterwards as well. The thing is, it was a joke, y'know. It was supposed to be self-parody, an ironic remark."
I suspect that some of the criticism comes from people who find it hard to reconcile Theroux's sophisticated background and intelligence with his on-screen persona and populist subject matter. After all, his father is the American travel writer Paul Theroux; his English mother worked for the BBC World Service, he went to Westminster public school and then to Oxford. Certainly, having watched all his documentaries and come to feel that I knew him a little, his off-screen intellectual confidence comes as a bit of a surprise. At one point, when we discuss his new book, The Call ofThe Weird, in which he revisits some of the offbeat characters he met during Weird Weekends, he even quotes Nietzsche at me.
When pushed, Theroux does concede that there is something contrived in how he relates to his subjects on camera, saying that, like prostitution, journalism can involve "professional manipulation". "Prostitutes and journalists are not that dissimilar, especially when it comes to human interest journalism that involves a little bit of beguiling and seduction. You have to become intimate in a slightly fake way with people. But there are moments of realness within the prostitute relationship just as there are within the journalist relationship."
I'm not sure which one of us is the whore in this particular scenario – maybe we both are – but I think he's right. And the analogy is an apt one, as one of the people he got back in touch with for his very entertaining book was Hayley, a prostitute. Other weirdos included gangsta rapper Mello T, a porn star and some UFO contactees in Arizona. He says that, to his surprise, he found many of his subjects more irritating the second time around, although he did enjoy meeting members of the patriot movement again – the paranoid sect of self-styled freedom fighters who believe that the end of the world is imminent and that we are all being taken over by a shadowy cabal of evil-doers.
"There is something deeply romantic about these strange bearded renegades who carry guns and are willing to lay down their lives for their vision of correct living, even if it comes to nothing. There is something about their ambition that fulfils my slightly pessimistic view of human perfectibility." He laughs. "That is quite a long word isn't it? Almost as long as tintinnabulation . . ."
The comment refers to an earlier remark I made about the book – that the cleverness of the prose and his use of big words like "axiomatic" and "tintinnabulation" came as a surprise. I had asked him to explain what the latter word meant, and he had done so by quoting Edgar Allan Poe's "The Bells" (clarifying in the process that tintinnabulation means bellringing). The conversation had reminded me of a phrase one journalist had used to describe Theroux a few years ago – "schoolmasterly".
"Schoolmasterly?!"
He doesn't remember the comment.
"I like masterly. But schoolmasterly – I disagree with that."
I throw other adjectives that have been used to describe him in his direction – indecisive.
"Yes, I am indecisive. I think it is part of my personality. Yeah."
Nervous?
"Little bit. Yeah."
He has also been described as "obsessively private".
"No. Though I do think that if you are in the public eye you have to keep something back. You don't want to become a human soap opera."
Presumably the soap opera he's referring to is his marriage to Susanna Kleeman, a girl he met at Westminster when he was 15 – a relationship hehas always refused to discuss. But now he seems perfectly happy to explain.
"You see, I was married." He clutches his cup of coffee, like an OAP desperate for warmth. "What happened was that my girlfriend was living with me in New York. She was having trouble finding work . . . legally. So we got married, to make it easier for her. We never really considered ourselves married in the full sense – there were no wedding photos or anything like that. It was really a marriage of convenience. I hope that I am not going to get arrested for that."
I establish that they got divorced and that he now lives with his girlfriend Nancy, to whom the book is dedicated. And before we part Theroux adds that the book doesn't mean he is giving up on documentaries. "The plan is to try and come up with some good ideas and do some longer films. Maybe even a 90- minute feature documentary. There have been so many great feature-length documentaries in the last few years. I would like to make a contribution."
Any ideas? "There are a few. But I haven't really found the right one yet. I have to fight hard against doing something dark. I would like to do a documentary about Jonestown – the mass suicide in Guyana in the 70s where Jim Jones was able to convince nearly a thousand people to take their lives. But people would probably prefer it if I did something lighter."
Louis Theroux's 'The Call of the Weird: Travels in American Subcultures' is published in hardback by Macmillan
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Change the name of Programmers to something that more accurately reflects the site scope? [duplicate]
It's official! Programmers is now Software Engineering Stack Exchange (6 answers)
This is a follow-up to the discussion on renaming the site to match its FAQ, or changing the FAQ to match the site name.
That discussion is one of the highest voted questions on here, so this feature-request is to try and get a definitive answer from Stack Exchange about the possibility of getting this implemented. I apologize if sounds like a duplicate, however I was told to make a separate clear proposal for the feature-request, and not edit the existing question.
If you'd like to discuss the topic itself, please see the linked question
The name "Programmers" was selected for our site back when this was a Q&A site meant for programmers to ask and answer questions that were not related to programming. The site scope has changed dramatically since then to be for conceptual questions on software development only, and the descriptive name of Programmers no longer fits our site.
I believe our name is the biggest reason for the extremely high number of bad/off-topic questions that get asked here, because users not familiar with our site think this is a Q&A site about programmers, not one about conceptual software development.
The best analogy I can think of is creating an Athletes.SE which is only for conceptual questions about sports, while questions about athletes themselves, or technical questions about sports, are both off-topic. It's very confusing, especially to new users.
I don't like sifting through so many off-topic questions to find ones that won't get closed, so would like to pick a new name for our site that better matches the site's scope, and change our site's name by doing the following:
Change the Title and Logo displayed on our site from Programmers to something else. This would be a cosmetic change only.
Register the name as a new SE domain name for the site to use
Keep the programmers.stackexchange domain name active, and simply redirect it to the new site's domain name for SEO and to maintain old links
As for what name to use, I think the name should be something the community decides. If we get the OK to do something like this from SE, we can create a meta thread to determine a new name for the site.
To summarize, we advertise as a Q&A site about programmers, however we are not a site about programmers. We are a site for getting expert answers on conceptual questions about software development. Lets change our name to clarify that.
Thomas' answer also brings up a valid point, that not all software developers consider themselves to be programmers.
Many of the people who are professionals in areas of architecture, process, software licenses, and the business side of software development might not consider themselves programmers.
We're limiting our potential by not being clear that this site is for more than just Programmers
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AGAIN?????????? – Robert Harvey Jun 25 '12 at 15:02
@RobertHarvey Blame Yannis, he told me to make a new post about it – Rachel Jun 25 '12 at 15:02
I still think the name doesn't matter. The Apple.SE site is called Ask Different. It doesn't mean anything. – Robert Harvey Jun 25 '12 at 15:04
@RobertHarvey Apple.SE isn't called Orange.SE. It's called something that clearly is not the description of the site's content. – Rachel Jun 25 '12 at 15:05
The only name change that I would support is "Programmer's Whiteboard." At least it is suggestive of the site's purpose, and it incorporates the original name. – Robert Harvey Jun 25 '12 at 15:06
"Software Development" is too vague. You'll get all of the people that are question-banned on Stack Overflow coming over here to ask their "write my code for me" and "fix my code for me" questions. – Robert Harvey Jun 25 '12 at 15:13
Please don't make another thread about this. The name is not that important. – Robert Harvey Jun 25 '12 at 15:19
Do what you must. Just understand that fundamentally the name change will not make any difference in the way that the site is run, or the questions that people will ask. It's all about the faq, not the site name. – Robert Harvey Jun 25 '12 at 15:35
A name change should not affect how the site is run, but I think it will reduce the number of bad questions that get posted here. A descriptive site name is a big advertising piece, and our name is providing misleading advertising about what our site is for. We advertise as a Q&A site about programmers, but that's not what this site is. – Rachel Jun 25 '12 at 15:41
The name of a site feels much like one of the 7 essential questions, similar to the elevator pitch question. Thus, it seems reasonable that a name change is in order. +1 – jmort253 Jun 26 '12 at 7:50
@RobertHarvey: I don't think that is true. In my experience, few (new) users read the FAQ before being sent there (after posting). Obviously, users that are active and aware of the site's scope are not the problem here. – Raphael Jun 26 '12 at 12:15
@RobertHarvey: I have no opinion about what would be a good name and whether a new name can solve the problem. I do think that Rachel's analysis has merit, though, and that people are dismissing it too quickly and for the wrong reasons. Her solution may not be the best there is, but that does not imply that there is no problem. (A side remark: as a less-than-active user of SO and lately Programmers, I have continuously been confused by their respective scopes.) – Raphael Jun 26 '12 at 14:54
@Raphael: Her suggestion is not being dismissed out of hand. It's been discussed extensively over a period of several months, in many forms. Look at her question history. The scope of the sites are very simple: if you are sitting in front of an IDE, ask your programming-related question on Stack Overflow; if you are standing in front of a whiteboard, ask it on Programmers. If you are standing by the water cooler, in a management meeting or any other place, your question is off-topic. That's it. – Robert Harvey Jun 26 '12 at 15:02
@Raphael You seem to be missing a very important detail: This is a feature request that concludes (?) a six month old discussion. We all had a lot of time to think about all the arguments presented, not just Rachel's. Go read the linked discussion post, and get all your facts straight, please. – yannis Jun 26 '12 at 15:07
+1 for "... I believe our name is the biggest reason for the extremely high number of bad/off-topic questions that get asked here, ..." Who could possibly know what the site is about with a name like that? Mess around with the tag-line or the FAQ all you like; you're pushing water uphill with a rake until you do something about the name of the site. – Dawood says reinstate Monica Oct 31 '12 at 17:49
I write this both as a 20,000+ user and former elected moderator on Programmers, and as a community manager at Stack Exchange.
First and foremost: we will not be changing this site's name.
Why? Well, let's talk about that.
As others have brought up here, there is no evidence right now to support the claim that the site's name is leading to its problems. If anything, I have a counterexample - the site itself.
I think by now we all know how the site came about. When the new scope was handed down, it was not received terribly well and we're still sorting some of that out. The fact is, though, that throughout most of last year, the site slowly evolved to move away from the "Stack Overflow's toilet bowl" image and to what it is today. It happened through comments, (sometimes bitter) meta arguments, flag handling, etc., and look at what we have now - there's an engaged, active community involved in moderation and governance. Even though there were a couple discussions, the site name did not matter.
I remember when most of the front page would be closed questions and I'd be somewhere promoting the site and trying not to feel embarrassed to point people to it. I wouldn't be embarrassed now. I look at the front page and I see 6 closed questions:
Should I demand unit-testing from programmers?
Closed as "not constructive" and in my opinion rightly so - it's a discussion-oriented question designed to affirm the asker's existing belief. Discouraging questions like this one is a part of our core principles at Stack Exchange to the point where it's written down in the shared FAQ:
To prevent your question from being flagged and possibly removed, avoid asking subjective questions where ...
there is no actual problem to be solved: "I'm curious if other people feel like I do."
https://softwareengineering.stackexchange.com/questions/154339/advice-on-scrum-for-the-solitary-developer
Closed as a duplicate of a canonical, open question.
https://softwareengineering.stackexchange.com/questions/154342/are-there-references-discussing-the-use-parallel-programming-as-a-development-me
Reference-seeking question. I don't have a strong feeling on this one. Could go either way, personally, but usually questions like this result in poorly curated lists.
https://softwareengineering.stackexchange.com/questions/154338/identifying-methods-with-a-specified-id-in-d
Migrated to Stack Overflow.
https://softwareengineering.stackexchange.com/questions/154282/if-variable-type-not-working-properly
Off-topic, though opted to not migrate, which is fair enough.
https://softwareengineering.stackexchange.com/questions/154270/is-learning-blackberry-programming-a-good-choice
Canonically off-topic for Programmers.
When I look at these questions, I see a pattern: all of them are about some aspect of software development. Changing your name to "Software Development Stack Exchange" or anything of that ilk will not stop questions like these. Changing your name to an abstract concept will not automatically draw people in. What attracts experts to a site is the content. Focus on that instead and you will continue to grow.
Now, Gaming SE is currently in the spotlight after having been rebranded to Arqade, so it's natural that that's prompting other sites to ask about getting a brand and a domain of their own. Our official answer is that you can ask, but there is no definite answer. Name changes will happen exceedingly rarely at best, and you should not plan on, depend on, or even anticipate it. There's no fixed traffic criteria or an "awesome meter" that will say definitively that you've earned your name change and that it will happen. If we do it again, it will likely be an act-of-god kind of scenario.
Another example is Fitness & Nutrition now known as Physical Fitness. In that case, part of the site's name explicitly mentioned a subject that was off-topic on the site. The site's community rallied together to start enforcing that and we eventually matched their efforts with a new name.
Programmers is not in either of these situations. So the bottom line is, stop fixating on the name. A name change isn't a silver bullet that will fix your problems. Keep growing the site, solidifying the scope, addressing whatever other issues you (as a community) perceive to exist, but don't worry about the name. It is not holding you back.
Adam Lear♦Adam Lear
"Off-topic, though opted to not migrate, which is fair enough." Also rejected by a Stack Overflow moderator in TL. I went for an answer there thinking I'd migrate it, and... oops ;) – yannis Jun 26 '12 at 20:53
"What attracts experts to a site is the content. Focus on that instead and you will continue to grow." Lead by example, you say? What a novel concept! – Shog9 Jun 26 '12 at 21:27
Well, I guess rank has been pulled. But, yeah, this is a "community-run" site. Right. – JohnMcG Jun 26 '12 at 22:01
@JohnMcG If you are willing to pay the cost to re-brand the site, I'm sure we can work something out. You seem to have a completely incorrect view of what "community-run" means, although for this particular discussion, there was never overwhelming community support in favour of changing the name. – yannis Jun 26 '12 at 22:07
@YannisRizos Re-reading the question, I see this is precisely what was asked for, so I apologize. – JohnMcG Jun 27 '12 at 3:34
I disagree and think it should be changed to something that is more intuitive to the type of discussion wanted on the message board. – user61488 Aug 5 '13 at 23:28
Go for a more abstract name that invites users to consult the FAQ.
One thing that seems to be established, both by the data and the experience of posters here is that there is considerable confusion about the scope of the site. The primary evidence is the high closure/deletion rate for new questions.
What is disputed is the root cause of this confusion. @Rachel hypothesizes that the name/URL of the site is a contributing factor, and others have asked for evidence to support this.
I don't think it is possible, without any kind of budget, to tease out the reasons for this confusion. My intuition suggests that it is surprising that a site entitled "programmers" is in reality a lower scope. I also suspect that the history of programmers.SE, which started as non-programming-related.SE, a release valve for software-related questions that don't belong on Stack Overflow, plays a role in that. In fact, the founders even recently suggested the programmers.se be used in this way.
Changing the name from programmers.se would have the advantage of both moving away from a general term and making a break from this legacy. This would have the downside of some work and some confusion. My judgement is it's worth it.
Some commentators have noted that the most popular sites, e.g. StackOverflow, have even less specific names, yet do not suffer from this confusion, and therefore a name change is unnecessary. What I think this, as well as things like the Arqade rebranding, suggests is that if a site's scope can not be easily captured in two short words or less, it may be better to have a more more abstract name that invites users to consult the FAQ to get a more concrete idea of what the site is about. This may also help the site to form a unique brand.
What type of name might work for this community? Some have suggested things like "The Whiteboard" which doesn't excite me, but I don't have any better ideas. The celebration of Alan Turing this past week leads me to consider the possibility that we could use the name to honor those who have gone before us in software development.
In any instance, I think both the past track record of SE sites and the current future direction suggests this.
JohnMcGJohnMcG
the founders even recently suggested the programmers.se be used in this way. -- That's not what that post says. That post says that questions on Programmers are more "conceptual." It's not a release valve; it's a difference in scope. – Robert Harvey Jun 26 '12 at 15:15
Arqade is a counter-example; that name has even less meaning than "Gaming." – Robert Harvey Jun 26 '12 at 15:16
@RobertHarvey 1. The context of Jeff's post was a discussion of "fun" posts like James Bond ASCII art. 2. My suggestion is for a less, rather than more, specific name. – JohnMcG Jun 26 '12 at 15:19
You want to be even more obtuse than "Programmers?" – Robert Harvey Jun 26 '12 at 15:20
@RobertHarvey Yes. Then people would need to read the FAQ and look at other questions to get a richer feel for what the community is about. – JohnMcG Jun 26 '12 at 15:22
How about "readthefaqfirst.com"? – Robert Harvey Jun 26 '12 at 15:27
@RobertHarvey Stop stealing my ideas, please ;P – yannis Jun 26 '12 at 15:27
This is another reminder of what a great name "Stack Overflow" is. – JohnMcG Jun 26 '12 at 15:31
we advertise as a Q&A site about programmers,
We do? I must have missed those ads.
What kinds of questions would one ask on "a Q&A site about programmers"?
What's a programmer's favorite letter? 01010010
How many programmers does it take to screw in a light bulb? None! It's hardware problem.
Seriously... I never got the impression that this was a site about programmers, and I don't see much evidence that new users do either. If your thesis were correct, most off topic questions would be about programmers; my own unscientific impression is that such questions are only a fraction of the off topic questions we see here.
however we are not a site about programmers. We are a site for getting expert answers on conceptual questions about software development.
If you wanted an expert answer on a conceptual questions relating to software development, who would you ask? A lawyer? A chef? No... a programmer! Programmers may not be the best, most descriptive name for this site as it exists now, but it's the name we've got and it's really not a bad one.
Instead of searching for a name whose meaning gives identity to the site, lets continue to build a strong identity for the site that will give meaning to the name.
CalebCaleb
A descriptive site name is one of the biggest pieces of advertisement there is. The name Programmers suggests we are a site for and about programmers, which is not the case. Most questions that get closed are from users who simply want an answer from programmers, and think this is the place to get it. – Rachel Jun 26 '12 at 12:01
I would ask a software developer about software development. I'd ask a programmer about programming. Same way as I'd ask a doctor about doctoring and a nurse about nursing. They are different things. – Kit Z. Fox Oct 31 '12 at 18:07
To be explicitly clear, this post is coming exclusively from me as member of the Programmers community, not as a moderator.
Like Mark Trapp, I want to see data to support this. I'm not convinced that the name has anything to do with the closure rate. Anyone who spends a couple of minutes looking at the FAQ or reading existing questions should see what the site is about, and anyone posting here should take a few minutes to understand the site before they post. The very first line in the FAQ even says that "Programmers — Stack Exchange is a site for professional programmers who are interested in getting expert answers on conceptual questions about software development."
I don't have any numbers, but I get the feeling that most people who visit this site learn what it's about. Even if you look at other sites, like Stack Overflow, you can see that there are closed questions that can be avoided if people read the FAQ and understand the site before randomly posting. You don't spend effort dealing with (and I'm borrowing some ideas from some corporate HR policies) the 5% of the people who are the "bad apples". You focus on the 95% of the people who are good contributors and make it possible for them to do what they do best.
we advertise as a Q&A site about programmers, however we are not a site about programmers
I don't see that anywhere. Every place I see refers to the site being "for professional programmers" and a place to ask "conceptual questions about software development". If there is a place that makes it seem like this site is for questions about programmers or being a programmer, please provide a link to it. If there is any ambiguity, it should be cleared up. However, I haven't found any yet.
Now, from my personal experiences (about a dozen or so data points, which is most likely statistically insignificant), the name does cause a small problem when pitching the site to people with professional titles such as "Software Architect", "Systems Architect", "Software Quality Assurance Engineer", "Software Process Improvement Specialist", "Process Engineer", and so on. These people all could ask and answer questions that are on-topic here, however none of them consider themselves programmers. It's not impossible to pitch the site after mentioning "conceptual questions about software development" and highlighting specific topics that they would be interested in, but the name requires an explanation of the acceptable content to people who aren't programmers. It makes an elevator pitch (<2 minutes) more difficult, but not impossible.
I believe that this is the same point that jmort253 brought up in the comments.
If any reason exists to consider changing the name, I think that it would be to rebrand the site to better encompass the things that we consider on topic. Many of the people who are professionals in areas of architecture, process, software licenses, and the business side of software developers might not consider themselves programmers.
I'd be curious about what experiences people have had pitching this site to non-programming software development professionals (anyone who has the potential to ask and answer on-topic questions, but does not professionally build software) and if there were any difficulties creating an elevator pitch (30-120 seconds) to get them interested in the site. I think that such information could be used to make a case for rebranding - if a member of this community can't easily convey the purpose of this community to someone who would be interested in it, that could be problematic to the continued growth and development of the community.
This might further support the allegation that the name is the problem: programmers.stackexchange.com/a/3333/12611. If other people think programmer == code monkey as opposed to developer == super cool awesome, smart person who gets things done, then it's possible that developers think programmer == code monkey too. Maybe developers are more likely to read the documentation, whereas programmers just blindly hack away at what's in front of him/her. A more professional, modern, and appropriate name could be helpful to force everyone to change their image of what the site is about. – jmort253 Jun 26 '12 at 14:13
[cont'd] - There is of course no data to back this up, at least none that I have, but it's funny that when a company wants to change it's image of itself or its product, it oftentimes starts with the name. :) – jmort253 Jun 26 '12 at 14:14
@jmort253 Most of the answers to that question all tend to support a name change. The answers indicates a programmer is someone who is only involved in coding while developer is involved in the whole lifecycle. – Thomas Owens♦ Jun 26 '12 at 15:03
My point exactly. The name of the site may inadvertently be putting otherwise intelligent, though-leaders into a different mode of thinking, one where it's okay to ignore the faq and one where it's okay to shoot from the hip when it comes to Q&A, because that's what a perceived "programmer" does. I don't have hard evidence, it's more of a feeling, so I'm not sure my assessment really helps the cause. :( – jmort253 Jun 26 '12 at 16:39
Who reads FAQs anymore? Seriously - if there's one major con of the rise of Q&A sites it's how literal the usage is, i.e. Q & A = I have a question, gimme my answer, I don't want to trawl through questions someone else has deemed important - fix my codes for me! People preaching the content of the FAQs while others are complaining that people don't read the FAQs is a futile exercise. On another note I have read the FAQ's and related posts, etc, and I'm still not 100% sure what question I could ask here that I couldn't also ask on SO. – Toby Apr 22 '16 at 9:03
Prove it. Show hard data that demonstrates:
Programmers' closure rates are directly attributable to the site name, and
Changing the name to anything else will significantly affect closure rates on Programmers.
Unless there's actual data to support this hypothesis, making an extremely disruptive change like this is unwarranted and should not be done.
user8user8
+1 - I must admit. I'm incredibly confused. Mostly because I was around before the restructuring but missed the actual restructuring of the site scope because I was away during that time. When a site changes scope, it's name should be changed as well, IMHO. – jmort253 Jun 26 '12 at 7:47
@jmort253 The antedisciplining period was ~4 weeks: rebranding a site in early beta due to a scope (but not audience) change isn't really necessary. We're also 20 months past the enforcement notice: the ship sailed on changing the site name with a change in site scope a long, long time ago. – user8 Jun 26 '12 at 7:53
Demanding data nobody can obtain (without implementing the change for a reasonable amount of time) is a lame argument. – Raphael Jun 26 '12 at 8:01
@Raphael It's no more lame than making assertions that you can't back up. – Caleb Jun 26 '12 at 8:07
@Raphael "A wise man proportions his beliefs to the evidence." Significant claims require significant evidence, especially when such claims are used as the only basis for requesting a major change like this. – user8 Jun 26 '12 at 8:11
I thought the 30-40% closure rate was proof that we are doing something wrong with the way we communicate with users (it varies on any given day, and I know deleted/migrated questions aren't included in that). If you browse closed questions, the majority of them are by users who simply want an answer from programmers, and think this is the place to get one. – Rachel Jun 26 '12 at 12:03
And I don't think it would be that hard to change the Title/Logo on the page to something else. Setting up a second domain name for a site that already exists isn't that hard either. – Rachel Jun 26 '12 at 12:04
@Rachel What evidence do you have that shows the reported 30-40% closure rate is a direct result of the name of the site? – user8 Jun 26 '12 at 12:05
@MarkTrapp: That's a hypothesis, obviously, but it seems to be a reasonable one: the average new user will have seen the site's name and domain, maybe the pitch, but not more. If there is a significant amount of misunderstanding regarding the site's scope, this is the way to look. (In particular, most new users don't read the FAQ before sent there.) Whether it is feasible to test this hypothesis -- that is rename the site for some time -- and whether renaming solves more problems than it creates, now that are very different and completely valid concerns. – Raphael Jun 26 '12 at 12:12
@Rachel What you're describing are people misunderstanding the site's scope, not that they're misunderstanding the site's scope due to the site's name. Do you have any direct, verifiable evidence that demonstrates changing the site's name will have any effect on anything? – user8 Jun 26 '12 at 12:17
@Raphael The site name being key to understanding the site's scope is prima facie refutable by looking at other sites on the network: Stack Overflow, Server Fault, Super User, and Ask Different all have names that don't unambiguously define the site's scope, yet they don't have the closure rates or the reported confusion that Programmers has. So I don't think it's unreasonable to ask for evidence showing that what's working for other sites on the network isn't working for us. Changing the site's name—even temporarily—based on a hunch doesn't seem viable. – user8 Jun 26 '12 at 12:21
@Raphael I don't think it's necessary to change the site's name to test the hypothesis: simple user or focus group testing should suffice. Ask someone to look at the home page, then ask them what they think is on topic. If they get it wrong, ask them what, specifically, led them to believe their mistaken assumption. Repeat that several times, and if people keep saying "the site name", then we're getting somewhere. – user8 Jun 26 '12 at 12:29
@Rachel I'm not disputing there's user confusion; I'm disputing the leap you're making that the user confusion is a direct result of the site's name and not any of the multitude of other ways we communicate with users, like the FAQ, community enforcement of the scope, comments, etc. And again, if it's crucial the site name unambiguously define the site's scope, why don't Super User, Stack Overflow, Server Fault, and Ask Different have the same problems we reportedly have? – user8 Jun 26 '12 at 12:41
@MarkTrapp Well SO and AD aren't descriptive site names, and while SU and SF are not necessarily descriptive names, they can be used to identify what the site is about. SU is about personal/home computers or software (ie. things a Super User would do), while SF is about things like office-wide networks and server setups. – Rachel Jun 26 '12 at 12:48
@jmort253 Honestly, I don't think the community had any say in the restructuring. You can view the history here and make up your own mind about it, but I felt we had no say since Programmers at the time said no change was needed/wanted, but SE overruled that. – Rachel Jun 26 '12 at 13:12
"Blame Yannis" .SE
Programming.SE
For the first, I do suspect he'd feel quite honored with the honorific, but it's just a joke based upon the comments from the OP. OTOH, I now fear that any questions I may ask for the next millennium will be auto-closed. :-P
For the second, P.SE is really about programm-ING not necessarily programm-ERS. I don't know that it's worth the effort to setup all the redirects and whatnot. The off-topic questions can be annoying though.
And FWIW, I'm praying the up / down votes on this answer will balance each other out....
Upvoted for Blame Yannis SE. ;) – yannis Jun 25 '12 at 18:18
Currently running +2 / -4. Not all appreciate my sense of humor apparently. – user53019 Jun 25 '12 at 18:50
+1: For Programming.SE. 'Blame Yannis' made me laugh. FWIW: As many already know, Yannis is a good guy (I've chatted with him a few times.) – Jim G. Jun 26 '12 at 3:38
+1 Programming seems a bit less "watercoolish" than Programmers. One describes what programmers do, while the other describes the people that do the programming. Subtle, yet could be effective. – jmort253 Jun 26 '12 at 8:25
This is the scenario that immediately popped into my head when I read this: person found script on internet and is fiddling around with it to make their blog prettier. "I'm PROGRAMMING! Whoo hoo! But I have a question about this thing in this code that 'doesn't work' but I didn't try anything because I'm 'not a programmer'. So I'll ask at Programming.SE because today I'M PROGRAMMING!" And so on. – jcmeloni Jun 27 '12 at 12:35
We wouldn't be the first site to try a new name, and I don't see the harm in trying it out if we can agree on a new one. Its not unprecedented that a sites name gets changed after launch.
RyathalRyathal
Yeah, but your answer doesn't really explain anything, does it? – Robert Harvey Jun 26 '12 at 14:44
I don't see the harm in trying it out if we can agree on a new one Hm, isn't that exactly what we are doing? ;P – yannis Jun 26 '12 at 15:28
@YannisRizos it looked like most were concerned with proof the name matters at all, not actually changing the name or providing suggestions. – Ryathal Jun 26 '12 at 15:51
There's a call for evidence, certainly, not for if the name matters (of course it does), but for if it's actually a significant source of confusion for newer users. That I don't believe, and won't be convinced for unless I see solid evidence. When I asked Rachel to post a separate feature request I was hoping people would keep discussing in the earlier [discussion] post, and keep this one clean for Stack Exchange to either accept or decline. Didn't really worked as I hoped for, though. – yannis Jun 26 '12 at 15:52
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