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User talk:24

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Thanks for the alert and the help about old Ass Pus. One observation that I've made is that each time he comes on with a new name he does his mayhem on a couple dozen articles. Then he checks to see who might be on line to taunt them into blocking him. By that time he has finished his efforts for the day, and the block becomes effectively meaningless. Eclecticology 20:19:42, 2005-07-29 (UTC)

RE: Stuff
Thanks for the tip on the Wikipedia template. Regarding capitalization, where is the policy that states this? I was unable to find it. It seems like roughly half of the entries I look at do not have this, and that it creates unnecessary redirects when the first and/or only word of an entry is linked, as in many definitions of foreign words. --Joel7687 07:38, 13 August 2005 (UTC)

shalt
Yes. Thank you for noticing. 'Tis fixed. --Connel MacKenzie 02:50, 14 August 2005 (UTC)

Recent changes
Hello, I'm removing the recent changes text from your userpages, simply in order to simplify looking at the importance of a linked word through "what links here". You haven't been active in awhile, so I hope you don't mind. Should you become active again, and would like to reinstate it, please feel free to do so. -Atelaes λάλει ἐμοί 22:08, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

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fullback

Noun

 * 1)  An offensive back whose primary jobs are to block in advance of the halfback on running plays and for the quarterback on passing plays.
 * 2)  A position behind the main line of backs in both rugby union and rugby league. In rugby union, they wear number 15 jersey at the start of play and are the last line of defence responsible for catching punts.
 * 3)  A defensive player who assists the goalie in preventing the opposing team from scoring.
 * 4)  A player who plays on the left or right side of defence.

Translations

 * Finnish:
 * Hindi: पीछे का खिलाड़ी

 * Czech: zadák
 * Welsh: cefnwr

 * Bashkir: һаҡсы
 * Chinese:
 * Cantonese: 閘
 * Finnish: laitapuolustaja
 * Italian:
 * Spanish:
 * Swedish:

title: fullback


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inedible

Etymology
Morphologically.

Adjective

 * 1) not edible; not appropriate, worthy, or safe to eat

Translations

 * Catalan: immenjable, incomestible
 * Chinese:
 * Mandarin: 不能吃的, 不宜食用的
 * Czech: nejedlý
 * Finnish:, syötäväksi kelpaamaton
 * French:
 * Galician: ,
 * German:, unessbar, nicht essbar
 * Greek: μη εδώδιμος
 * Ancient Greek: ἄβρωτος
 * Hungarian:
 * Italian: incommestibile,
 * Japanese: ,
 * Lithuanian: nevalgomas
 * Macedonian: не́јадлив
 * Polish:
 * Portuguese:
 * Romanian: ,
 * Russian:
 * Spanish:
 * Swedish:
 * Ukrainian: неїстівни́й
 * Welsh:

Noun

 * 1) Anything inedible; that which is not a foodstuff.

title: inedible


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User talk:24/archive

What are you doing?―Gliorszio 19:14, 1 May 2005 (UTC)

unblock
I was asked to unblock you, as you apparently meant well.

Please do not archive other user's talk pages without their prior consent.

Thank you. --Connel MacKenzie 22:07, 1 May 2005 (UTC)
 * I say, blocking me for ten days for archiving talk pages! 24 23:11, 1 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Just to say, I got you unblocked. You need to watch out for that Connel, he gets scared by new users sometimes, and is probably a very very evil man ;) Wonderfool
 * I don't think your friendly newcomer understood your joke. --Connel MacKenzie 23:50, 1 May 2005 (UTC)

What is your problem? --Connel MacKenzie 23:24, 1 May 2005 (UTC)
 * What are you talking about? 24 23:26, 1 May 2005 (UTC)

What are you doing?
Why are you reverting my changes? User:24 23:26, 1 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Because they are not in keeping with general Wiktionary practices. NOTE: I am not reverting all your changes.  --Connel MacKenzie 23:29, 1 May 2005 (UTC)

Block
24,

I have temporarily reblocked you, as I am taking a little time to review your earlier changes. Clearly you believe you are making worthwhile contributions, and if I can I'd like to help you sort out how things are generally done on Wiktionary.

Many users have adopted the practice of keeping the full history of edits on their talk pages. Many do so for the sake of transparency, i.e. they have nothing to hide. Blanking people's changes to WT:VIP regarding yourself are particularly taboo. Repeating edits before the discussion as even ensued on the relevant talk page is impolite.

The changes of yours I rolled back I did for several reasons. Again note: I did not roll back all your changes. Archiving of other user's pages is clearly not desired (see above.) Those will probably be discussed more on WT:RFD or WT:BP.

Your user page redirects elsewhere, making it annoying to get to your talk page. That is also impolite. Archiving comments posted to your talk page (almost immediately!) is almost inexplicable. I guess you just prefer to have a perfectly blank talk page? Well, um, OK. Most people here don't do that though (see above.)

Lastly, my apologies. I blocked (er, re-blocked) you without hitting the three revert rule...although at the rate things were going that did seem a certainty. Nevertheless, I am sorry.

--Connel MacKenzie 00:25, 2 May 2005 (UTC)

One other note about immediately archiving comments: If someone comes along and makes an edit to something I enter, then you archive the text (only) to your archive page, it is much harder to identify that my post was tampered with. I do now know of any way to keep edit histories around, other than using the Move function. But that implies that the archive page is unable to grow...that a separate archive page is needed for each move. --Connel MacKenzie 00:59, 2 May 2005 (UTC)

Welcome; please tread lightly
Sorry for pouncing earlier, if in fact you meant well. We've been dealing with a rash of vandalism hereabouts lately, and you clearly threw a number of us by jumping in with no history and rearranging the place. Under the circumstances, may I advise exercising a bit more reserve at first, while you become familiar with conventions? Adding good, valid content, which it looks like you have begun to do, will go over much better! --Dvortygirl 01:56, 2 May 2005 (UTC)

Nickname
What does your nickname mean? Is it for the number of hours in a day or the television series? — Dennis Valeev 20:49, 30 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Blueberries. 24 20:50, 30 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Say what? — Dennis Valeev 21:04, 30 May 2005 (UTC)
 * "Blueberries." 24 21:05, 30 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Sorry, but I am at odds to understand that! o_O --Dennis Valeev 21:41, 30 May 2005 (UTC)

Favor/Favour
If you're going to insist on maintaining Favour as a duplicate page yourself, then I strongly suggest that you look at Favor first. It has a lot more information than Favour — information you'll have to merge yourself any time anyone makes additions to Favor. This is why Wiktionary has the "Alternative spellings" subsection — so that the British spellers among us don't suffer the indignities of out-of-date material.

Welcoming newcomers
A good way of welcoming newbies who don't format properly is to use the template. Cheers. SemperBlotto 21:42, 1 Jun 2005 (UTC)

AHD
Hi, is there a page similar to SAMPA and IPA for AHD? I would like to add AHD when I add the others but don't have a chart from which to work. Thanks, - TheDaveRoss 21:20, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Hi. As far as I know, Wiktionary currently, and unfortunately, lacks an AHD chart. Perhaps I will work on one. For now, your best bet is to Google for a chart. 24 21:29, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)

template:anatomy
Just out of interest. What is your objection to this template having the same structure as all the other science and similar templates? SemperBlotto 22:22, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Triple template layers are unneeded. 24 22:24, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)

DONT VANDAL PLEASE

mean
 I've left you a comment on Talk:Mean. I'll leave you an hour or so to comment before I revert the page.

Mean - repeated reverting
I'm not at all sure what you were trying to accomplish by repeating the same reversion. I would STRONGLY appreciate it if you could find a better method of addressing this sort of issue.

Wiktionary has no rigid policy, but it does have consensus among its primary contributors. At least for most things, anyhow. Very few of the regular contributors right now take exception to WT:ELE. Although I personally think it could be (and maybe will be) done better, I accept it as the least controvercial layout we can use at this point in time.

I have proposed some changes to it. Very little of what I've proposed has actually been implemented. My ideas about what it should be were perhaps off here and there. But by discussing it on that page's talk page, WT:BP and elsewhere, I was able to understand why some people object to certain changes. I also got to hear other people offer their input. That is the basis of how we operate here.

Please, allow a full day between reversions. Sleeping on the change allows not only for you to better express your views, but also for external neutral parties to intercede.

Unfortunately, the multiple etymology folks have won out, for now. The changes you made look much like one solution I advocate. However, the consensus to date has been very strongly against this. If it hasn't been archived yet, then the conversation is probably in WT:BP.
 * Regarding mean:

Wiktionary is blissfully free of the overwhelming and stifling regulations of Wikipedia. The closest we are getting to it, are the proposed policy pages. As a community, Wiktionarians defend such ideals collectively. I have no interest in being hampered by offical policies when informal guidelines work better (particularly when followed.)
 * Regarding policies:

--Connel MacKenzie 21:13, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)

#Wiktionary
 joined the IRC channel, *and left* while I was composing the above explanation.

While it is true that there is no policy at all, the policies that do exist serve as very certain guidelines. As much as I disagree with some aspects of WT:ELE, especially the handling of multiple etymologies, I understand that the Wiktionary community has adopted it and accepted it. Unfortunately, that means that if someone points to WT:ELE as a reason for doing something, then they win that argument, right then and there. The argument almost certainly will move to the talk page of WT:ELE or to WT:BP at that point, but the individual page edits (e.g. mean) stop at that point.

Also, anything policy that has unoffical status, can be read as a reflection of what actions have been used in the past for certain situations. A block for the three revert rule is a guideline, just like any of the rules we have here. To cite it as not being official policy is therefore no reason to unblock you...if I unblock you before the 24 hours are up, it is because I feel that you have demonstrated that you are willing to cooperate and that you are move forward from this misunderstanding. Patience is a valuable virtue here...it allows you to come to understandings with others that might otherwise be quashed.

--Connel MacKenzie 21:46, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * I am willing to cooperate, though I'm not sure how to demonstrate that... If I am unblocked, I will not touch the mean article; instead I would like to create a mean/24 subpage to propose changes. Reverting is definitely, as I have seen today, not an effective way to go. Twenty Four 21:52, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * I have added yours as well as Jun-Dai's (and my own) formatting ideas to Formatting_Policy_Proposal for consideration and debate, yours is Layout 3, please ammend it in any way you see fit so that it best represents what you feel is the best formatting for us to use as a group. Thanks, TheDaveRoss 21:56, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)

pinyin rollbacks
careful on your reverts such as boy...the tone counts themselves are OK - just not wikifying them, nor defining the entry at the tone count word. --Connel MacKenzie 03:19, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC)

apple fly
Are you saying that ANY dipterous insect (insect with two wings) is an apply fly? SemperBlotto 21:41, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Apparently. 24 21:49, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Reverting Connel
Reverting someones changes shouldn't be done lightly other than in obvious cases of vandalism. I feel that this is the case with your and Jun-Dai's edits the other day, as well as your recent reversion of running text. It is best not to revert, but to ask the person who did the initial edit whcy they felt it was appropriate, so as to avoid conflict as much as possible. If Connel feels that the article is a copyvio and you feel it is not, discuss it, and if you cannot come to a joint conclusion, ask for general input. In this way no one gets upset over what they feel are inappropriate reversions, and harmony is maintained in the community. Thanks. - TheDaveRoss 20:29, 7 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * The text was not a copyright violation, though. The sentence had been lightly modified. 24 20:33, 7 Jun 2005 (UTC)

As I said, Connel obviously feels differently about that. Perhaps you should discuss it with him to better understand why he feels this way rather than simply reverting. If you just revert it then he will still feel it is copyvio, and feel the need to revert it again, leading to a rather unpleasant loop. If you discuss it and come to a mutual understanding, then progress can be made rather than sitting and spinning our tires. - TheDaveRoss 20:37, 7 Jun 2005 (UTC)

 To be honest, I think Connel should have been a little slower to act - or, to put it another way, 24's reversion wasn't any more rash than Connel's excision. Given the amount of work Connel does as an admin, I'm sure he simply saw a problem and fixed it, but upon closer inspection, it's not at all clear that the def is a copyright violation, and the fact that it was inserted by Eclecticology and reviewed by Mike, probably should have given him pause. I don't think I would have reverted it right away, but at the same time, I don't know that what 24 did was out of line - viewed outside of the context of 24's other actions, I don't think it would have been a notable incident.

 * Please, don't drag me in... I added that sv. translation, but I never checked the definition for copyvios. \Mike 20:48, 7 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Anytime a non-vandalic contribution is made (as Connel's was, I feel sure) those who disagree with it ought to discuss it with the contributor. This is both a respectful and sensible thing to do. Was Connel's edit justified? Obviously he thinks so, and we ought to give him an opportunity to discuss this before we revert it. Was 24's edit justified? Obviously he thinks so, he also should have an opportunity to discuss this. I am merely stating that rather than revert, we should discuss and conclude. Seeing an (rv) in a subject line doesn't explain an action, and for reversion an explanation is wholly warranted. I am not passing judgement in any way about the content of the article, rather I am advocating discussion over immediate action. Connel provdided a source for whose copyright he feels was violated, those who feel differently should mention so on the talk page. - TheDaveRoss 20:51, 7 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * , 24 20:54, 7 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Hey, hey, hey! Leaving out the relevant context is more than a little unfair!  I posted comments about that somehwere (your talk page perhaps?  Can't find it as it is archived so rapidly.)  That seems to be the point: discussion about a reversion is the rule of the day.  A one-click rollback allows for no comment (the comment text is auto-generated!)  That is why I posted a comment to your talk page (or wherever) directly, soon afterwards.  --Connel MacKenzie 21:15, 7 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * The first time you reverted my insertion of that template (and only time) was the first time I used it. I had previously used a ( should not be used) and you explained that, but not my template. Also, you read past comments at /archive. 24 21:19, 7 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * I guess I might point out that conversations generally are not continued on archive pages. Moving a conversation too rapidly to an archive page has a chilling effect, much like someone folding their arms or holding their hands over their ears.  --Connel MacKenzie 21:51, 7 Jun 2005 (UTC)

That is apparently another thing which you ought to discuss with Connel. I am assuming you posted that as some sort of precedent (or evidence of wrong-doing)? I am just seeing examples of working parallel to one another rather than together. Let's work together! - TheDaveRoss 21:01, 7 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Okay. It seems to have been a mistake, anyway. 24 21:05, 7 Jun 2005 (UTC)

 Sorry, Mike. TheDaveRoss, I think you're treading tricky ground with these generalizations. 24's actions weren't really outside the boundaries of what a lot of people do here, and certainly myself, Connel, Hippietrail, Eclecticology, and numerous others have been guilty of the same crime. It really seems like your hold 24 accountable for this on the basis of his past actions, and not really on the basis of this particular action, which isn't really exceptional or particularly egregious. Connel's edit was, after all, much like a reversion in nature, and rather than make a comment before undoing Eclecticology's contribution, he simply overrode it.
 * And yes, 24, you should at least put a comment in the edit summary to explain what it is that you are doing (I don't mean "rv" or "reverting". Something more like "not a copyright violation - check the URL" or something.  That way, if Connel disagrees with you, at least he'll have a place to start arguing.

 * Um, David, thanks for sticking up for me - yes, in general we like to discuss things before doing a revert. But in this case, I was completely wrong.  Totally, completely incorrect.  While I want to take exception to 24's rash revert, I'm in no position to throw rocks (as Jun-Dai pointed out, his revert was probably no more rash than my incorrect RNDC.)  If I had *checked* the history first, I would have seen it was added by Ec, then checked closer.  But I didn't.  I saw what looked like a pattern I've seen several times before here, of someone citing a source that they copied directly.  The sentence layout font etc. tricked my eye into thinking they were the same.  So I followed the standard procedure of blanking the whole thing (can't do anything else if it really is a copyvio) and replacing it with the RNDC template.  Returning later, I must say I am quite embarrassed.  --Connel MacKenzie 21:09, 7 Jun 2005 (UTC)

I am not trying to judge 24, this is a recent example of a trend which I dislike, and have seen a lot of. Your back and forth the other day was yet another example of it. I appologize if it seems I am attacking any one person, I agree that many of us are guilty of it from time to time. This is meant to be a collaborative project, and such projects can get mired if the participants don't work together and discuss things as they come up. When we decide that we know what is best and fail to explain why we feel that way, other people get offended, they get angry, and the whole project suffers for it. It doesn't take much extra time at all to explain something you do in a comment field or a talk page, and the extra effort saves a lot of aggravation and ill will. That is all I am trying to get across, to 24 and to the community. - TheDaveRoss 21:13, 7 Jun 2005 (UTC)

 * I dislike how I get these messages on my talk page when I use rv, but when others use Reverted edits by blah to last version by blah, their rollback goes completely unnoticed. 24 21:16, 7 Jun 2005 (UTC)

 * I believe TheDave was directing his comments equally to both of us. I will try to do better, in the future.  Exellently stated Dave!  --Connel MacKenzie 21:39, 7 Jun 2005 (UTC)

The reverts that follow that particular format are automated when a sysop hits the revert button, but I agree with you. I think that the sysop reversion should have the comment field, as should the undo and move buttons. This is something the developers didn't see fit to include though. - TheDaveRoss 21:23, 7 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * 1.5 will include the option to add summaries for page moves. Use of the rollback button should be limited only to absolute vandalism. I will try to use a more descriptive edit summary from now, but I would really like it if people would stop rolling my edits back. 24 21:27, 7 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Center html vs. template
Hello 24,

Whatever I've said to you about the HTML center directive vs. using a "center" template seems lost, yet there also seems to be lingering ambiguity. To forestall ill will (as per the TheDave directive #593) I would like to simply ask you not to replace the html center command with a template. One type of substitution you made was to use an HTML2.0 "div" syntax which does not render correctly under some browsers. It is quite unclear to me why you would want to replace working html code with an additional layer of abstraction anyway. Additionally, it is extra load on the Wiki* server, completely unneeded. (The load on the server is one reason why we do not wikify every word in every sentence and every header.) Lastly, some factions here object to using templates at all; reserving their use to larger blocks of text makes sense, when trying not to ruffle feathers.

If you'd like to discuss this in more detail, it is my duty to at least hear you out.

--Connel MacKenzie 21:33, 7 Jun 2005 (UTC)

 * What?! We don't yet have an article for 'header'? We are so lax. --Wytukaze 21:38, 7 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * done
 * "div" is not HTML 2.0 syntax (look at the source of this very page and you'll see lots of divs -- and Wiktionary is valid XHTML transitional). Center is deprecated from HTML 4.0; instead, one should use stylesheets or CSS to center text. This is what I am trying to do. 24 21:54, 7 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * 24 has a point. We should not use <center>.  Jun-Dai 22:08, 7 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * I see your point; I strongly disagree with it. One flawed proponent dictating a corruption of an existing standard in very very wide use will see the marginalizing of that proponent.  All browsers recognize "center", but not all browsers recognize css.  We should use "center", not the counter-intuitive poorly and inconsistently parsed alternates.  --Connel MacKenzie 22:36, 7 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * is used throughout the monobook stylesheet; in fact, the entire site's design is structured around CSS. If you can't see CSS, you're not going to be looking at a pretty Wiktionary anyway. Very, very, very, very few people use browsers which lack css-support. 24 22:40, 7 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Ya made me go and download Mosaic. Wiktionary.org does not render properly; an errant redirect prevents visiting en.wiktionary.org at all.  --Connel MacKenzie 23:40, 7 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 *  :-P :-$ :-(
 * It seems to be a convention that the developers use the latest and greatest, and shun anything that is deprecated. This is reasonable.  The editors, on the other hand, tend to use deprecated tags because they represent simpler ways to define style locally.  What really needs to happen is a layer of abstraction where we have wiki markup for these sorts of things.  In the long run, there should be no <center> tags in the Wiktionary.  In the short run, it might get the job done, but if we can avoid it, we're better off without it.  Thus, I would say that both Connel and 24 are right.  Or maybe they are both wrong.  I give up.
 * Correction: Lynx does render it just fine. My brain still dislikes it (as counter-intuitive) but lynx does parse it correctly (along with all of monobook.css.)  --Connel MacKenzie 23:16, 7 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 *  CSS is definitely counter-intuitive (so is object-oriented programming), but it makes larger HTML-based projects (like MediaWiki, or the projects I've workd on) much, much more feasible. That said, I have mixed feelings about including it inside the Wiki content.  But as the developers have not provided us with hooks for these styles, we are stuck with a choice between two rotten apples.  Personally, I would caution against using either approach as much as possible.  If you find yourself looking at a <center> tag or a style="text-align:center" attribute, or somesuch, ask yourself if it's absolutely necessary to have it.  The Wiktionary is not a very slick site.  It's not even an adequate dictionary yet.  So we shouldn't worry about prettifying things, and any efforts in those directions are liable to work against future efforts, since they will undoubtedly go against standards that have yet to be defined, wiki markup that has yet to be created and any move towards slickness (which will doubtlessly have a layer of abstraction via something like XML).

Etymology
24, I appreciate your endeavor to clean up several of the entries I've had a hand in. I am grateful for the effort. However, I must ask you to refrain from deleting the "etystubs" from the entries lacking etymologies, as these serve a function. Refer to Category:Etymology stub. Thank you. --Bennmorland 01:15, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Okay, thanks for the notification. 24 01:21, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * No problem. Talk to you later. --Bennmorland 01:48, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Um, and Pronunciation, too
The same goes for pronunciation stubs. See Category:Pronunciation stub for what is now a fledgling effort. Feel free to help, though! --Bennmorland 02:01, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * I really don't mean to seem too abrasive here, but can you please reverse the editorial action you took on so many entries, by place and  under the respective Etymology and Pronunciation sections? It will save me a lot of time and no little amount of aggro. Thanks. --Bennmorland 02:09, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Okay. 24 19:37, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Thank you. You've been a real gentleman (lady?) about this mix-up. Much appreciated. -- Bennmorland 07:17, 9 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * :)</tt> 24 18:42, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Complications
<Jun-Dai 19:10, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)>
 * Thanks for that. You are right, it does make things more complicated.  But I did it out of frustration.  I think that it is valuable, because it allows a user to view/add words of one type without having to see or load the page for the other, while still updating the main page for anyone that wants to see both.  I don't intend to use the romaji section much, though I feel that it should be there.  If people actually start putting more articles into the page, it would have become unmanageable before long.  I'll be adding articles to the non-romaji section.

</Jun-Dai> Good idea then, though a note about how to edit the templates might be of merit. 24 19:37, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * It shouldn't be necessary - you can edit the sections directly off of the main page. That is to say, it isn't really using templates, it's using the same thing that the w:Wikipedia:Featured article candidates uses.  Jun-Dai 19:43, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Problems
On List of Spanish verbs you deleted a section while I find nothing that states a copyright enfringment. Please check your stuff before deleting. K-unit 22:20, Jun 9, 2005 (UTC)
 * Hi K-unit, thanks for the reminder. I'm pretty sure that that was a copyright infringement, but it looks like it's been replaced now, so it doesn't matter. 24 18:43, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC)

User talk:24/Monobook.js
I just noticed your javascript - did you have success with it? I've had similar ideas about semi-automation of various edits by javascript. — Hippietrail 15:05, 12 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Yes. :) By the way, you might want to comment at User talk:24 instead of here. 24 15:20, 12 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Deletion of user:24
Changing your name from "User:24" to "User:24/24" won't work. Using a diagonal stroke in the user name means that you are creating a sub-page of your regular user page. Eclecticology 16:51, 2005 Jun 20 (UTC)
 * That wasn't what I was trying to do. 24 01:15, 21 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Template:Chemistry
Hello again,

What are you doing to the specific templates, such as ?

--Connel MacKenzie 23:33, 21 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Templates are harder to work with since they can not be editable for more "special" needs. Using a template on another template is pretty useless, if you ask me: not only does it put more strain on the servers (source: Jamesday), but it also complicates the process of editing the templates in question. A subst: is more useful. 24 23:34, 21 Jun 2005 (UTC)

There was some consensus a while back to use the specialty-specific templates? And why are you undoing other's efforts unilaterally? --Connel MacKenzie 23:36, 21 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * I'm not undoing it, I'm improving upon their ideas. 24 23:37, 21 Jun 2005 (UTC)

 * I agree with the complaint about cascading templates. However, eliminating the link to the template is wrong.  Using subst: within a template I can see and agree with (but dmh, apparently does not.)  But either way, I think some discussion would help, rather than being bold right off the bat.  --Connel MacKenzie 23:41, 21 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Okay, I've asked at the beer parlour. 24 23:44, 21 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Thanks and a belated welcome
24, Thanks for keeping after me today. I certainly miss stuff sometimes in my efforts (chronically scatterbrained, underneath it all), and I'm always glad to see someone looking out for the details.

Come visit us in Wiktionary IRC now and then, if you like. If you don't mind destroying a bit of the enigma, we would like to get to know you better. (I believe the phrase "different drummer" came up recently. :-) ) We just might learn something from each other.  Otherwise, thanks for your contributions, and for proving wrong those of us (ahem!) who panicked when you first began.  As you may have noticed by now, entirely too much of the iffy stuff that pops up here turns out to be junk, so it is refreshing to be proven wrong in that regard.  Take care! --Dvortygirl 00:56, 23 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Thank you very much. :) Opening my talk page and finding something pleasent is a nice surprise.
 * I'll consider your suggestion about #wiktionary, though I'm afraid I'm not very good at real-time chat. 24 01:59, 23 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Thanks for helping me clean up after the vandal today. The page move stuff is a relatively new tactic and a little delicate to undo, so it's still taking me awhile to get right.  Oh, and as far as chat goes, come visit, anyway.  We'd welcome your company, "good" at it or not. --Dvortygirl 21:47, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Let's just hope we don't get a more skillful vandal like Willy on Wheels here, or someone like him. At two wikis I'm a sysop at, a vandal calling himself "Ph34r" moved ~100 pages in 4 minutes. :/
 * I'll consider it. :) 24 21:55, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Vandal rollbacks
I was doing that experiment earlier as part of a conversation on IRC. Uncle G's suggestion(s) were fine for Wiki 1.4 but don't seem very appropriate anymore. Move rollbacks increased a whole bunch last night (WikiNews in particular) so the un-moving tools have improved drastically as a result, in the past few hours. I guess I'll see how they work tonight.

Thanks for your other clues, though I'm still not sure of anything worthwhile I can do with that information. --Connel MacKenzie 27 June 2005 20:26 (UTC)

Decapitalization: please wait
24, could you please hold off moving pages around for a bit until we figure out what's going on? Brion Vibber is trying to create a server-side automation to help us out. It is best to wait until we know more, I think. I will try to see that specific instructions for page moving and cleanup get posted to the Beer Parlour and site notice (above) when we are more secure with this move. Meanwhile, please take the evening off and relax. Many thanks. --Dvortygirl 30 June 2005 00:17 (UTC)
 * Okay. 24 30 June 2005 00:18 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Best to hold off completely, I think.  If you're looking for something to do, please join us in IRC about now and help us sort this mess out. --Dvortygirl 30 June 2005 00:24 (UTC)
 * Okay. 24 30 June 2005 00:26 (UTC)

An obvious question arises
User talk:24/sandbox - Why? You slowed the server (temporarily) and the only thing you effectively flooded was the IRC:RC channel. --Wytukaze 4 July 2005 18:25 (UTC)
 * Uh, oops. 24 4 July 2005 18:37 (UTC)
 * Hah, nice answer. Care to explain a little more? --Wytukaze 4 July 2005 18:39 (UTC)
 * No, I can't. Sorry. :/ 24 4 July 2005 18:46 (UTC)
 * Not even a little bit more? Like why you wanted to flood history? I'm genuinely curious, and you don't seem to have damaged anything, which is always nice :P. --Wytukaze 4 July 2005 18:46 (UTC)
 * Blueberries. 24 4 July 2005 21:03 (UTC)
 * Thankyou. --Wytukaze 4 July 2005 21:08 (UTC)

Redirects
Most of the redirects that I have been deleting arise from the capitalization changeover. Which ones or how many do have interwiki links or outside links? Where applicable changing those links would make more sense than keeping a huge number of useless redirects. Eclecticology July 4, 2005 21:12 (UTC)

Alisha, Alesha, Alicia
I don't suppose you're going to explain this one, either, are you? (Let me guess...blueberries?) --Dvortygirl 20:10, 10 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Your guess is dead on. 24 20:18, 10 July 2005 (UTC)

enigma

Noun

 * 1) 24
 * 2) blueberries

Ah, well. I had to ask. :) --Dvortygirl 20:22, 10 July 2005 (UTC)

Hi
Hi. What I meant by peoples nouns, is proper nouns such as the English people, the American people, etc. I'm just trying to classify the categories in the Serbian and Bosnian languages. Do you think I should just keep it in the proper nouns category? --Dijan 02:21, July 12, 2005 (UTC)

Hola
Tong pi infers to a desire for a child or child-like innocence. I don't know exactly how to translate it. Blastu 20:49 UTC

title: User talk:24/archive


text:
neutral zone

Noun

 * 1)  A zone between the defensive line of scrimmage and the offensive line of scrimmage.
 * 2)  A zone on the playing surface between the attacking zone and the defending zone as delineated by the two blue lines.
 * 3)  A non-competitive segment of a bicycle race during which competitors have to stay behind the lead vehicles.
 * 4)  That space in the oral cavity where the forces exerted by the musculature of the tongue are equal and balanced with the forces exerted by the buccinator muscle of the cheek laterally and the orbicularis oris muscle anteriorly.

Translations

 * Catalan:

 * Catalan: ,
 * Finnish: keskialue
 * Swedish: neutral zon,

title: neutral zone


text:
User talk:Eclecticology/archive

Discussion with Długosz
I noticed on your user page, Tracking, integrating and adapting the Webster 1913 material to suit our purposes.

I threw together a little Perl program that I've been using to help me start entries from the w1913 material. I copy the definition to the clipboard, then run the script, which reads the clipboard and puts the results back on the clipboard. Then I paste that into the new wiki page, and take it from there. It doesn't have to be always right since it is meant to be interactive. But it handles most of the common things just fine, and takes the tedium out of supplying the template boilerplate stuff.

I'm happy to share, if anyone is interested. Naturally, I'm interested in any better tools, too. Since the w1913 material has not been converted in bulk, I'm guessing no acceptable bot exists.

—Długosz

 * ''reply on his page

I've been getting the entries from  but would not mind a better source. I'm unsure of some of the notations for non-ASCII characters, and some stuff just came through as ?'s. I'd be interested in whole pages only to get the Legend and other material that's missing in the processed copies! Splitting up is not a problem as my script is not automatic in the first place; I start by selecting the relevent part of the definition.

Re quotes: I don't like a lot of the quotes there, being without context it just shows the part of speech, rather than illustrating the meaning. Also the bible quotes and shakespere quotes are too archaic to understand. I've been replacing them with more modern literary quotes, and using more extended blockquotes to give some context.

—Długosz

 * ''reply on his page

Re ASCII is limiting: I use the following when processing the entries. I add them as I see them, rather than just doing it algorihmically, in case there are any more surprises.

$input =~ s/\[eth\]/\x{f0}/g; $input =~ s/\['e\]/é/g; $input =~ s/\[(?:\^e)|(?:e\^)\]/ê/g; $input =~ s/\['o\]/ó/g; $input =~ s/\[a\^\]/â/g; $input =~ s/\[u\^\]|\[\^u\]/û/g; $input =~ s/\[`a\]/à/g; $input =~ s/\[.a\]/a/g; # not sure what that should be $input =~ s/\["e\]/ë/g; $input =~ s/\["i\]/ï/g; $input =~ s/\["o\]/ö/g; $input =~ s/\[\^o\]/ô/g; $input =~ s/\[ae\]/æ/g; $input =~ s/\[=o\]/ō/g; $input =~ s/\[=a\]/ā/g; $input =~ s/\[=i\]/ī/g;  $input =~ s/\[=e\]/ē/g;  $input =~ s/ -- /—/g; $input =~ s/\[R.\]/(R.)/g;

Any idea what the dot-a should be?

For typing accented characters, I just pick them from the Character Map applet. For IPA characters, I can type them directly, except for secondary-accent whose key sequence conflicts with Mozilla's input window, and ʤ which is annoyingly missing. I type those by using the character map in SC Unipad.

re quotes: OK, I'll leave the old ones. As for Doyle, I like it because it's public domain and even though it's old it's still readable, understandable, and interesting. Many of the words are used in a paragraph with sufficient redundancy that it's easy to understand them from context. I started my vocabulary list from Doyle, so that's what I have handy. I suppose there are other books in public domain that meet the same criteria; maybe someone should make a list.

—Długosz

I don't need to know what the code numbers are for any character. I was wondering what .a meant at all in the Webster scan. You are saying it's an a with a dot over? It also worries me that some marks come before the letter and some after: do they mean different things?

It looks like the site you showed me has most of the marks shown properly, so maybe I can learn them more reliably from there.

The code U+0227 isn't in the Code2000 font, and that's supposed to have everything. It's not in the Unicode 2.0 book. The Latin Extended B block (0180-024F) was added later.

 * I must say I don't quite understand the list above (what it's used for), but the ".a" I would guess means the swedish letter "å" (no idea about how to encode it though...) \Mike 10:21, 30 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Vocabulary Project
Hi, I have written a program for learning vocabulary. Since you are interested in different languages I wondered if you might be interested. The program is based on the belief that it is best to learn foreign words by learning typical sentences. It can also be used for learning other stuff that works with the question/answer scheme, e.g. the theory for the driving licence or anatomy. Unfortunately I wrote in qbasic, which can be downloaded here. It also uses images and sound files for alternation and in order to work on the pronunciation. Let me know what you think about it. I currently have files in English, French (with sound), and Spanish. Catalan and Portuguese are in the planning. Corrections or additions are very welcome. The easiest thing to start with for improvements would be adding new vocabulary, sound files or images. A guide to the program will follow soon, although I think it is rather self-explanatory. Get-back-world-respect 16:16, 23 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Hi Eclecticology,

I don't know if we really are in need of more sysops, but I would like to nominate Hippietrail. He seems to have developed a real addiction, uh, I mean he makes good quality contributions to Wiktionary on a day by day basis. He also lives in a totally different time zone than the rest of us. What do you think? The question is not only directed to you. Everybody can chime in. Also, if others feel they would like to become sysop, please speak up. (I don't know if Eclecticology's talk page is the best place to do this, but since he is the bureaucrat...) I also don't know if Hippietrail wants to become a sysop. Polyglot 09:12, 3 May 2004 (UTC)

 * Hi Eclecticology,

 * It seems a bit odd to ask somebody if he wants to become a sysop, before discussing it first. Suppose we ask somebody and then it's decided it's not necessary. On the other hand on a public forum like this, telling you about it, is almost as good as telling him about it.
 * I will still spend quite a bit of time here on WiktionaryEN, but I don't have the time to check every single message during this period. It is like you predicted it: WiktionaryNL has started and I am trying to get it started in the right direction. This takes quite a bit of my the time I can manage to consacrate to this project.

Since Hippietrail is on here on a daily basis and he makes good contributions, I thought he would make a good sysop.
 * I'll post a message on his talk page, to ask whether he feels like becoming a sysop. It could very well be he prefers to concentrate on adding content instead of administrative tasks. Polyglot 06:28, 10 May 2004 (UTC)

 * Hi guys. Thanks for the nomination. I really don't know what's involved in being a sysop here but if it's not too demanding I'd be glad to help out in that way. — Hippietrail 07:04, 10 May 2004 (UTC)

Romanian Wiktionary problems
Hi! This is Ronline from the Romanian Wiktionary. I would like to let you know that there is a problem with the counter on the Romanian, and other new language, Wiktionaries since, instead of counting and showing the number of articles there are, it simply shows -1. Would you know how to fix this, or what the problem is? Thanks, Ronline 01:33, 9 May 2004 (UTC)

Hi
Eclecticology is a nice user.

Hi, I started a little project on Wikibooks, for people learning English: annotated books in which every word links to Wiktionary. Just wanted to keep you posted about that. See http://wikibooks.org/wiki/The_Raven Danny 21:01, 3 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Deleting User
I would like to delete my account from wiktionary, I think you are and administrator. Is there anyway to do that? Or can an administrator do it?
 * I've deleted your user page as requested. Removing the record of the account would require developer help, but it has never had much activity so it shouldn't make a big difference. Ec

Page Protection?
Hello, I'm Mero. I'm a sysop on three Wikipedias, but I'm relatively new to Wiktionary. Can an admin on a Wiktionary protect a page? If so, can you protect the Main Page? I think this should be protected because it's the "Welcome Mat" for this community. Thanks. -- Mero ✍  Talk 20:20, 19 Jul 2004 (UTC)
 * OK, thanks for the note. -- Mero  ✍  Talk 21:36, 19 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Soprano speak?
I'm not 100% sure (maybe 90%, though) that deleting pussyistic was the right thing to do (I ran across it on the "nonsense and bad jokes" page). I'm pretty sure I've heard it in speech, and it might even have been enshrined in a Sopranos script -- it sounds like something Chrissie or Paulie would come up with. On the other hand, this is a sure candidate for false memory syndrome. It seems like something one ought to have heard. I'll keep an eye out for a legitimate cite, but otherwise I'm sure it won't be greatly missed. -dmh 04:41, 29 Aug 2004 (UTC)

New User Questions
Hi Eclecticology, I'm new to the wikitionary, and I've got some questions. I've noticed that you access the site regularly, and are a sysadmin. If you'd be willing to take a few minutes and read the "Wiktionary" section of my user page, I'd appreciate it. It's a little bit long, but it raises 3 or 4 issues I haven't seen discussed yet in the beer parlour or elsewhere on the site. I'm still working through those messages and found another big batch I haven't read yet a few minutes ago. As a new user the infrastructure information seems a bit disorganized, and I didn't want to start another conversation in the wrong place. In summary, should I just copy a big chunk of my Wiktionary section to the beer parlour, and see what happens? Have any of these issues already been discussed ad nauseam, and I just haven't found them yet? Should I just wait for people to talk on my talk page? Thanks! -- CoryCohen 02:57, 9 Sep 2004 (UTC)

About the Butterfly entry
Excuse me... what have you done with the Butterfly entry?
 * 1) Since when doesn't Wiktionary use the standardized language templates anymore?
 * 2) Why did you delete my contributions and corrections (of the translations)?
 * 3) Has it become a standard to use those (in my opinion ugly) yellow chart for, like, every entry? I've seen articles with merely 3 or 4 translations that were crammed in such a chart (2 translations on the left, one on the right). What purpose serves this? Such a chart would seldom have their translations equally listed on both sites, I guess.

I don't want to simply revert the article to "my" version, that's why I'm asking you to do that, or to allow me do it (I have actually added quite some corrections and translations to it, as well as a lot of effort of templatifying the languages.

Greetings — N-true 20:58, 19 Sep 2004 (UTC)

P.S.: In case you wonder why I deleted some translations like "Arabic (Morocco)" or "Armenian (Western)"; don't worry. I know what I'm doing, I know the difference between languages, dialects and so on. I also removed the linking brackets of some 'translations' that were merely transcriptions (probably because someone didn't know how to write some Indian alphabets on their computer). Hope to read from you soon.

Google
Can we stop wrangling over Google hits? From the continual "Google hits don't count" comments I'm seeing, I suspect you may misunderstand what I'm doing. I do not just put a phrase into Google and say "Hmm, a few hundred hits. Must be a word." I actually look at the contents of several, until I can satisfy myself that either

 * They all seem to be from the same source, or otherwise spurious
 * There seem to be a number of separate usages in a variety of contexts

The second item may be the main source of contention. If there are several different usages of the same word or phrase, it is highly unlikely that the phrase is just a meaningless coincidence (provided you've taken into acount the relative frequencies of the constituents, etc. — I wouldn't argue that "into Vancouver" is worth an entry, though gets has over 9,000 hits). Trust me. I have a math degree :-).

In most cases, I will also have searched for variations of a term. To cite an infamous example, "monkeys humping a footbal", "monkeys humping", "humping a football" and "monkeys humping a baseball", "monkeys humping a beachball", "monkey humping a football" and probably others.

I realize that finding hits on Google does not answer every possible lexicographical question about a term. It can, however, quickly establish a prima facie case that the term carries distinct meaning. That's enough to create an article and let the Wiki process do its magic.

In short, if I make some remark in a discussion page or wherever that "Google indicates" something, it means I've actually perused the content of at least a representative sample of those hits and not merely noted a number. Conversely, if I put in an rfd with a note like "no support" it generally means that Google (and BNC where appropriate) turned up nothing at all, or turned up only trivial usages. Please take this into account when replying.

-dmh 19:55, 5 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Quotations vs. Examples
(I may move this to my User page. There is also some discussion on CoreyCohen's page).

There seems to be some contention over the use of direct quotations from published sources, as opposed to constructed examples. In my opinion, neither is inherently correct or incorrect. They simply serve different purposes.

Lexicography is founded in usage. Usage tells us that decimate no longer means "kill every tenth soldier in a legion" and hacker no longer exclusively means "person intensely interested in technical details". Given that usage is fundamental, one could argue that only well-documented quotations have any place in a dictionary.

This would be fallacious. Not even the OED follows this rule. In point of fact, quotations are often of more use to the lexicographer than to the reader. Indeed, the whole point of lexicography is to distill the essence of words out of an undifferentiated mass of quotations. It is only in rare cases that there is little to add beyond the original source material. The entry for hierophant might be such a case, but even there the later usages are not particularly helpful.

Occasionally a quotation will provide a particularly apt example or definition. One example would be the one given for hapax legomenon, which not only nicely defines the word but helps dispel the curious misconception that a hapax is unique in a language, however one may define that. Again, this is the exception. In the real world, people use words in sentences precisely becuase they expect them to be understood without definition.

One of the major uses of quotations is to establish that a word or phrase has seen use at all. Such a supporting quotation may well be useless in constructing a definition, but no matter. That's not its job.

In many cases, it is best to separate the concerns of supporting a definition and explicating it, and this is where contructed (read, "made-up" :-) examples come into play. Examples can be constructed to illustrate fine points of usage. For example, many words can be used in both noun and verb senses, and the similarity can easily be illustrated by example

 * Do you support this product?
 * Do you offer support for this product?

Finding two such minimally differing usages in the wild seems like much more trouble than it's worth.

Examples can also illustrate subtle grammatical points:

 * I am only one religious among many religious in my church.

compactly reinforces that the apparent adjective functions as a noun while also illustrating the invariant form.

The process of constructing examples also helps flush out idioms. If you can't construct a novel example, the non-novel construction is an idiom.

Finally, constructed examples tend to be more legible as they lack the surrounding citation of date, author and source. They also tend to be more concise, as they are constructed for the sole purpose of illustration.

This is not meant to imply that all constructed examples are perfect, or even adequate, or in all cases better than direct quotations. A concise direct quotation that also fulfils the illustrative role of an example and lends authority to a definition is better than a constructed example. Unfortunately, these take considerably longer to find, when they exist at all, which is one reason the OED was produced significantly more slowly than Wiktionary. -dmh 20:31, 5 Oct 2004 (UTC)

 *  I was actually just thinking about this very issue. It seems to me that quotations provide some use to readers for a couple of reasons.  Quotations are generally able to give a reader a better sense of what contexts in which one might find a word.  Consider a word like "ambulate".  Since this word is primarily used in medicine or by fairly wordy people, you might get the sense from a numbero of quotations with it that it is not the normal word to describe the action provided in its definition.  You would certainly see that it is appropriate in those contexts quoted, however.

 * As it is not in the nature of context-providing quotations to be concise, and the value of quotations are somewhat in their abundance, it might be worthwhile to establish a separate page for them, so that people can feel free to provide new and illuminating quotations the help flush out appopriate contexts for a word in ways that a simple definition cannot. This way the example sentences and the quotations will not be at odds or seem particularly redundant.  The quotations section will simply be a supplement to the entry.  Also, while I think this will be quite useful for English speakers looking up English-language words, I think it will be incredibly useful for both people learning English, and English speakers learning foreign languages (if you've ever learned one, think of how inadequate most dictionaries are at providing context for words.  For them this is mostly a space limitation.  We have no such limitation).

 * It could look something like this: Forget_-quotations (Forget_-quotations).  Any thoughts?

Not sure who to turn to
I am usually on wikipedia, so I'm not sure who is who over here.

Please refer this to whomever is appropriate: When I (just now) created my account here on wiktionary, it allowed me to create an account with just a username, and no password. (I've added a password now, so that part's not an issue) It seems it is not intended for a user to have an acct. w/ no password.(?) thanks. let me know if I can be of any help with anything.Pedant 00:25, 25 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Talk:Supercalifragilisticexpealidoscious
how can I delete this page? the article itself was deleted and the talk page was left behind...Pedant 05:59, 31 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Hi. Node was doing some translations into O'odhma when he came across the following problem. It appears that they use the colon to indicate vowel length, so that the have a word ca:engwa or something like that for monkey. He cannot link that because it goes directly to Catalan. Do you have any ideas? Danny 22:59, 31 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Hi! I have been spending a couple of days getting to know Wiktionary better and hopefully win the project more attention. It certainly is deserving. You have done a great job here. About the quotes, I was torn. On the one hand, I wanted to keep them; on the other hand, like you pointed out, some of the sources are a bit obscure. I will do my best to help find the ones I wasn't sure of and keep them in. Any more suggestions from you will be greatly appreciated. Danny 21:42, 1 Nov 2004 (UTC)

IRC
Hi there Eclecticology. Do you ever use IRC? I'm logged on at the moment and wouldn't mind talking about bot-related stuff if you're interested. — Hippietrail 02:05, 5 Nov 2004 (UTC)

oo-breve/macron
Hi Eclecticology,

It was either you or Hippietrail who told me the Unicode for oo-breve and oo-macron. I am looking for the former in particular to use in the rhymes pages that use this phoneme (as rendered in AHD). If you know them, please could you let me know on my user page. Thank you. — Paul G 14:36, 9 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Pinkfud's response
Hi, Eclecticology,

I responded within the hour on my user page, but I suspect you haven't noticed. Talk to me? Pinkfud 18:14, 9 Nov 2004 (UTC)

 * Okay then, I'll give it some thought and see if I can come up with a new plan. Thanks. Pinkfud 19:13, 10 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Temporary Space
Thanks for the help on Preferences--Richardb 01:33, 21 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Talk:Impeccable
Please see talk:impeccable and talk:Immaculate, I'm not about to get in an edit war with an op. :) --Eean 08:09, 7 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Moving Main Page without discussion
Hi Eclecticology.

I'm wondering why you moved the Main page back to the old title without discussing it at all. I opened a discussion and invited comments on IRC and in the Beer parlour both before and after moving "Main Page" to "Wiktionary:Main page". Now without participating in that thread at all you have moved it back to "Main Page". I'd like to know your reasoning for a) Moving it. b) Moving it without discussing it. What were the issues you had with "Wiktionary:Main page"? Did it cause some problems? If so, why didn't you tell us what they were? Did you not understand why I moved it in the first place? Do you not see the logic of the move?

Please reply in the original Beer parlour thread rather than here, so that others may participate.

I aplogize for not also mentioning moving the page on the mailing list but I've seen in other threads that you yourself prefer Wiktionary policy decisions to be discussed on the Beer parlour rather than the mailing list.

I probably also should have mentioned it in Talk:Main Page, but since the topic came up in the beer parlour I thought it would be more noticable there.

— Hippietrail 09:55, 7 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Richardb questions and comments
I noticed the "protect" and "delete" tabs, and the extra pages listed on "Special Pages". but before I try stretching my wings as an administrator, are there any instructions, guidleines, whatever ?

Or, is it like everything else in Wiktionary - learn by trial and error ? Jus that I'm nervous the erros could be a bit more damaging !--Richardb 12:00, 13 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * Some WikiPedia administrator helped me out, by pointing me to the WikiPedia adminstrators info pages. I assume this project doesn't have it's own separate set of policies etc.--Richardb 11:57, 14 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * Do I have the right to run SQL queries. I want to search for all Template: pages. But the special:asksql page does not seem to be available to me.--Richardb 11:57, 14 Dec 2004 (UTC)

 * It's OK to be a bit wary of over enthusiastic users. Hopefully my many years of business analysis and project management will temper my enthusiasm with some care and attention ! but, occasionally, I will push an issue. As it says in various parts of various Wiki's - "BE BOLD".--Richardb 11:14, 14 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Entry
Hi, sorry to ask you personally, but I can't find the equivalents of the various Wikipedia pages for getting admin things done, and you seem to be one of the more active admins here. I went to set up the page for Entry, but I screwed up and didn't realize (having not seen Transwiki yet) that I should move Transwiki:Entry there, and then edit it. So instead I created a new page. I have now moved this to User:Jnc/Entry, and would move Transwiki:Entry to Entry, but there's now a redirect left behind at Entry. If you could please zap the redirect, I'll finish fixing things up (including putting the edit history on Wikipedia in the entry, which the person who did the trans-wiki didn't do, per instructions). Thanks! Jnc 18:00, 13 Dec 2004 (UTC)

 * Sorry, "Never mind!" I just found Requests for deletion. Jnc 20:55, 13 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Project to get basic words defined
User:Richardb/Project - Basic English Word Cleanup.

Active Participants
The following people have contributed to the project so far. Can you help too ?
 * dmh- enthusiastically running with it
 * Eclecticology - This seems like a useful idea.

thanks
thanks for cleaning up the mess recently, I'm officially going to start browsing wiktionary with images off. --Eean 07:01, 31 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Je Goolsby, Calvin W. et al
Eclecticology, I'd like to apologize to you and the entire Wiktionary community for baiting (well, not intentionally, but still) the "professor" into his latest psychological episode. If something similar happens in the future, I'll be sure to wait a day or two before reverting, max one revert per article per day. I'm sorry for the extra aggravation this has caused you also. I think I'll do the "other" American thing and pray for the "professor." Connel MacKenzie 20:08, 11 Feb 2005 (UTC)

country
I did not intentionally touch the translations of country, except to reinsert a single translation that I thought had slipped in, in the middle of the round of nonsense. Later, I was not sure that entering that one translation (Thai?) was correct. --Connel MacKenzie 20:56, 11 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Thank you. --Connel MacKenzie 02:53, 15 Feb 2005 (UTC)

your note on Requests for deletion
I'm assuming level three headings are with three ='s. But the "make a new nomination" gives two. This is how I usually add my nominations instead of scrolling to the bottom or editing the whole page. Should I just add one on each side? Or is this in the process of being fixed?--Alia H 06:53, 15 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the response and your monitoring of the {rfd}'s, I now realize that the whole-page edit is not the ordeal I had thought it might be, so will probably be doing it that way in the future.--Alia H 06:00, 17 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Re: Admin
Thanks. I see some extra tabs and options (I haven't tried any of them yet). Do I get any help or advice, or shall I just go for it. SemperBlotto 08:47, 15 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Rollback
Hi there. I just had a play with the rollback function (I used my own User Page) and it reverted to an old version, not the previous one. See log at 14:57. The previous edit was by me, not by Guano Boy. Is that what is meant to happen?SemperBlotto 15:03, 15 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Maveric149
I nominated him because he does not seem to have the ability to edit MediaWiki:Sitenotice, ref: MediaWiki Talk:Sitenotice. --Connel MacKenzie 06:42, 28 Feb 2005 (UTC)

 * Oh, OK. --Connel MacKenzie 06:43, 28 Feb 2005 (UTC)

 * User:Maveric149 does not appear on http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Special:Listadmins so I wonder if there is something I'm missing. As a steward, is he supposed to give himeself Admin privs?  --Connel MacKenzie 22:28, 28 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Newbie questions
Thanks for taking the time to answer my questions on the Beer Parlour. I'm not really familiar with words and I don't really know what a combined form is, but I would like to learn more so I won't be so clueless when making definitions, or participating in discussions. Unfortunately, since I don't know what this stuff is called (grammar? lexicology?), it's hard to find decent results with a search engine. Do you have any online references that could explain some of this to me? Even the proper terminology would help me. Thanks for your help :) --Jag123 23:23, 7 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Errm; a question
Hi! in [Wiktionary:Beer_parlour/First_letter_capitalization] you moved part of my opinion to the discussion subpage; I'd be grateful for info what was your aim, especially as you left the colon (I suppose you haven't noticed it, but then I'm a little confused whether you read it) in the end. Greetz --Akavel 21:21, 9 Mar 2005 (UTC)

rfd page protection
Hi Ec,

Yes, of course the page is left open to edits. I used the "protect from moves only" checkbox. I thought that appears in the protection log, but apparently not. --Connel MacKenzie 07:05, 20 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Dictionaries
Wow, you say in the beer parlour in the discussion on binomial names that you have around 50 dictionaries. I haven't counted mine lately, but I don't suppose I have more than a couple of dozen, or maybe three dozen or so if you include specialist works. I'm curious - what do you have? — Paul G 15:23, 23 Mar 2005 (UTC)

 * It didn't sound boastful at all to me - just impressive. It looks like you are a serious lexicobibliophile (to coin a word).  Mine are mainly standard English dictionaries (Chambers and the second edition of the OED), a single monolingual dictionary (French), maybe a dozen bilingual dictionaries, many crossword and Scrabble reference dictionaries, and a couple of mathematical dictionaries.  On top of that there is Brewers 20th Century and no doubt a few others that I don't recall right now.

Heritage of vandals
On this page is seems to me there is a rather unruly category lying about. A red one that is empty. And I dunno how one would get rid of that from said page. Any chance u could use your magic to eradicate the obviously unnecessary category from that page? --Wonderfool 09:10, 7 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Bold Letter Language Names in "Translations" Section
Should we really give language names in bold letters in the "translations" section? There is now reason to emphasize every single element in a list (here of languages, but holds in general), especially one which doesn't convey any entry-specific information. Bold letters always catch the readers attention and hence should be used carefully. Ncik 07 Apr 2005

 * A wider and more general discussion on layout is needed indeed. However, bold language names in the translation section annoy me so much that I will remove the word "bold" from the layout guidelines again. If you object, please do so in the thread I started about this issue on Wiktionary_talk:Entry_layout_explained. Ncik 09 Apr 2005

No comment?
Would you like to comment your edits sometimes when undoing other's work please? — Hippietrail 11:24, 16 Apr 2005 (UTC)

New sense for meaningless?
I see you've removed the category Category:Nonstandard Wiktionary format from Aotearoa once again. I am very happy that you were able to leave a comment this time but I am afraid I do not understand it. Which part of "Nonstandard Wiktionary format" is meaningless? Or is it the sum of the parts? Perhaps you were unable to find an accurate adjective and settled for "meaningless" instead because you don't like the category or think the format of the article is standard. Either way an explanation would be both helpful and nice.

There is ample place for discussion on the talk pages of both the category and the word if you are able to find the time to be constructive. — Hippietrail 06:34, 17 Apr 2005 (UTC)

title: User talk:Eclecticology/archive


text:
line of scrimmage

Noun

 * 1)  Either of two imaginary lines across the football field touching one of the two apices of the football which point toward either the defensive side or the offensive side before the center is allowed to touch the ball before each play.

Usage notes
The term line of scrimmage is used for both the line on the offensive side (offensive line of scrimmage) and the one on the defensive side (defensive line of scrimmage). The zone in between the two lines of scrimmage is called neutral zone. The defensive line of scrimmage is used by the head linesman and his assistants to measure advancements (gains or losses) of the football along the football field.

Translations

 * Catalan:
 * Italian: linea di scrimmage
 * Romanian: ,

title: line of scrimmage


text: apices

title: apices


text:
football field

Noun

 * 1)  A playing field on which the game of American football is played.
 * 2)  A playing field on which the game of Association football is played.
 * 3)  An informal unit of measure of area, equal to the area of an American football field (57,600 square feet or 1.32 acres).

Translations

 * Finnish:

title: football field


text:
playing field

Noun

 * 1) A field on which a game, especially a ball game, is played.
 * 2)  Any place or context within which competitive activity takes place, such as market competition between companies.
 * 1)  Any place or context within which competitive activity takes place, such as market competition between companies.

Derived terms

 * level playing field

Translations

 * Armenian: ,
 * Catalan:
 * Czech:
 * Finnish:
 * Galician:
 * Icelandic:
 * Maori: papa tākaro
 * Polish:
 * Spanish:
 * Turkish:

 * Finnish:

title: playing field


text:
ball game

Noun

 * 1) Any game played with a ball.
 * 2) A specific contest or match between teams playing such a game, in particular a baseball game.
 * 3)  A sport played in the Aztec and Mayan civilizations; Mesoamerican ballgame.
 * 4)  Affair, issue, matter, subject, story, topic.
 * 5)  A decisive outcome in regard to some ongoing situation; game over.
 * 1)  Affair, issue, matter, subject, story, topic.
 * 2)  A decisive outcome in regard to some ongoing situation; game over.
 * 1)  A decisive outcome in regard to some ongoing situation; game over.
 * 1)  A decisive outcome in regard to some ongoing situation; game over.

Translations

 * Albanian: lojës topin
 * Arabic:
 * Bulgarian: топката игра
 * Catalan:
 * Chinese:
 * Mandarin: 球類運動
 * Czech: míčová hra
 * Danish:
 * Dutch:
 * Finnish: ,
 * French: jeu de ballon
 * Galician: xogo de pelota
 * German:
 * Greek: παιχνίδι μπάλα
 * Hungarian:
 * Icelandic: boltaíþrótt, knattleikur
 * Indonesian: permainan bola
 * Japanese:
 * Lushootseed: ʔupups
 * Norwegian:
 * Bokmål: ballspill
 * Nynorsk: ballspel
 * Portuguese: jogo de bola
 * Romanian: joc cu mingea
 * Russian: игра́ с мячо́м
 * Serbo-Croatian: lopta igra
 * Spanish: juego de pelota
 * Swedish:
 * Volapük:

 * Chinese:
 * Mandarin:
 * Danish:
 * Finnish: ; ,
 * French:
 * Portuguese: jogo de bola
 * Russian: ,
 * Spanish:

 * Chinese:
 * Mandarin: 中美洲蹴球
 * Danish:
 * Finnish:
 * French: jeu de balle
 * Portuguese: jogo de bola
 * Russian: тла́чтли
 * Spanish:

 * Chinese:
 * Mandarin: ,
 * Danish:
 * Finnish: ,
 * French:, ,
 * Portuguese:
 * Russian:
 * Spanish:

title: ball game


text:
esp.

Translations

 * Czech:
 * German:, ; ,
 * Welsh: yn enw.

title: esp.


text:
offensive line of scrimmage

Noun

 * 1)  The scrimmage line on the offensive side of the football field.
 * 2)  Offensive line.

title: offensive line of scrimmage


text:
countersink

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1) a cylindrical recess, typically machined around a hole to admit a screw so that it sits flush with a surface.

Translations

 * Bulgarian: фрезенк
 * Finnish: upotusreikä
 * French:
 * German: Ansenkung, Senkbohrung
 * Hungarian:
 * Italian: svasatura, accecatura, accecatoio, alesatura
 * Macedonian: впуст
 * Maori: korotiwha
 * Spanish:
 * Turkish: havşa

Verb

 * 1)  To create such a conical recess.
 * to countersink a hole for a screw
 * 1)  To cause to sink even with or below the surface.
 * to countersink a screw or bolt into woodwork

Translations

 * Finnish:
 * German: ansenken,
 * Italian:, svasare
 * Macedonian: впуштање
 * Maori: korotiwha
 * Spanish:
 * Turkish: havşa açmak

title: countersink


text:
counterbore

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1) A cylindrical recess, typically machined around a hole to admit a screw so that it sits flush with a surface.
 * 2) The tool with which a counterbore is machined.

Translations

 * Dutch:
 * French:
 * Italian: accecatura, svasatura, accecatoio
 * Russian:, ,

Verb

 * 1)  To create such a cylindrical recess.

title: counterbore


text:
running back

Noun

 * 1)  An offensive back whose primary job is to be the ballcarrier.

Translations

 * Finnish:
 * German:, Runningback

title: running back


text: ballcarrier

title: ballcarrier


text:
ball carrier

Noun

 * 1)  A player who carries the football.

title: ball carrier


text:
offensive back

Noun

 * 1)  A player for the team in possession of the ball who lines up behind the line of scrimmage at the start of a play.

title: offensive back


text:
recess

Etymology
The is borrowed from  (also 🇨🇬), from  (from  + ) + ; influenced by 🇨🇬, 🇨🇬 (also 🇨🇬 and 🇨🇬.

(“decree or resolution of the diet of the Holy Roman Empire, etc.”) is possibly influenced by 🇨🇬 and refers to a decree or resolution made just before a meeting ends.

The and  are derived from the noun.

 * 🇨🇬 (modern 🇨🇬)
 * 🇨🇬 (modern 🇨🇬)
 * 🇨🇬 (modern 🇨🇬)

Noun

 * 1)  A depressed, hollow, or indented space; also, a hole or opening.
 * 2)  A small space created by building part of a wall further back from the rest; a niche.
 * 3)  The place in a prison where the communal lavatories are located.
 * 4)  A hidden, innermost, or inaccessible place or part of a place.
 * 5)  A place of retirement, retreat, or seclusion.
 * 6)  An obscure, remote, or secret situation.
 * 7)  A temporary stoppage of an activity; a break, a pause.
 * 8)  A period of time when the proceedings of a committee, court of law, parliament, or other official body are temporarily suspended.
 * 9)  A time away from studying during the school day for a meal or recreation.
 * 10)  An act of retiring or withdrawing; a moving back.
 * 11)  A decree or resolution of the diet of the Holy Roman Empire or the Hanseatic League.
 * 12)  An act of retiring or withdrawing from public life, society, etc.; also, an act of living in retirement or seclusion, or a period of such retirement or seclusion.
 * 13) Leisure, relaxation.
 * 14) The state of being withdrawn.
 * 15)  A departure from a norm or position.
 * 16)  A time interval during which something ceases; an interruption, a respite.
 * 17)  An overall-concave, reentrant section of a sinuous fold and thrust belt, thrust sheet, or a single thrust fault, caused by one or more of: deformation (folding and faulting) of strata and geologic structures during orogenesis, differences in the angle of critical taper during orogenesis, or differing erosional level of the present geomorphological surface.
 * 1)  The place in a prison where the communal lavatories are located.
 * 2)  A hidden, innermost, or inaccessible place or part of a place.
 * 3)  A place of retirement, retreat, or seclusion.
 * 4)  An obscure, remote, or secret situation.
 * 5)  A temporary stoppage of an activity; a break, a pause.
 * 6)  A period of time when the proceedings of a committee, court of law, parliament, or other official body are temporarily suspended.
 * 7)  A time away from studying during the school day for a meal or recreation.
 * 8)  An act of retiring or withdrawing; a moving back.
 * 9)  A decree or resolution of the diet of the Holy Roman Empire or the Hanseatic League.
 * 10)  An act of retiring or withdrawing from public life, society, etc.; also, an act of living in retirement or seclusion, or a period of such retirement or seclusion.
 * 11) Leisure, relaxation.
 * 12) The state of being withdrawn.
 * 13)  A departure from a norm or position.
 * 14)  A time interval during which something ceases; an interruption, a respite.
 * 15)  An overall-concave, reentrant section of a sinuous fold and thrust belt, thrust sheet, or a single thrust fault, caused by one or more of: deformation (folding and faulting) of strata and geologic structures during orogenesis, differences in the angle of critical taper during orogenesis, or differing erosional level of the present geomorphological surface.
 * 1)  A temporary stoppage of an activity; a break, a pause.
 * 2)  A period of time when the proceedings of a committee, court of law, parliament, or other official body are temporarily suspended.
 * 3)  A time away from studying during the school day for a meal or recreation.
 * 4)  An act of retiring or withdrawing; a moving back.
 * 5)  A decree or resolution of the diet of the Holy Roman Empire or the Hanseatic League.
 * 6)  An act of retiring or withdrawing from public life, society, etc.; also, an act of living in retirement or seclusion, or a period of such retirement or seclusion.
 * 7) Leisure, relaxation.
 * 8) The state of being withdrawn.
 * 9)  A departure from a norm or position.
 * 10)  A time interval during which something ceases; an interruption, a respite.
 * 11)  An overall-concave, reentrant section of a sinuous fold and thrust belt, thrust sheet, or a single thrust fault, caused by one or more of: deformation (folding and faulting) of strata and geologic structures during orogenesis, differences in the angle of critical taper during orogenesis, or differing erosional level of the present geomorphological surface.
 * 1)  An act of retiring or withdrawing; a moving back.
 * 2)  A decree or resolution of the diet of the Holy Roman Empire or the Hanseatic League.
 * 3)  An act of retiring or withdrawing from public life, society, etc.; also, an act of living in retirement or seclusion, or a period of such retirement or seclusion.
 * 4) Leisure, relaxation.
 * 5) The state of being withdrawn.
 * 6)  A departure from a norm or position.
 * 7)  A time interval during which something ceases; an interruption, a respite.
 * 8)  An overall-concave, reentrant section of a sinuous fold and thrust belt, thrust sheet, or a single thrust fault, caused by one or more of: deformation (folding and faulting) of strata and geologic structures during orogenesis, differences in the angle of critical taper during orogenesis, or differing erosional level of the present geomorphological surface.
 * 1)  A decree or resolution of the diet of the Holy Roman Empire or the Hanseatic League.
 * 2)  An act of retiring or withdrawing from public life, society, etc.; also, an act of living in retirement or seclusion, or a period of such retirement or seclusion.
 * 3) Leisure, relaxation.
 * 4) The state of being withdrawn.
 * 5)  A departure from a norm or position.
 * 6)  A time interval during which something ceases; an interruption, a respite.
 * 7)  An overall-concave, reentrant section of a sinuous fold and thrust belt, thrust sheet, or a single thrust fault, caused by one or more of: deformation (folding and faulting) of strata and geologic structures during orogenesis, differences in the angle of critical taper during orogenesis, or differing erosional level of the present geomorphological surface.
 * 1)  An act of retiring or withdrawing from public life, society, etc.; also, an act of living in retirement or seclusion, or a period of such retirement or seclusion.
 * 2) Leisure, relaxation.
 * 3) The state of being withdrawn.
 * 4)  A departure from a norm or position.
 * 5)  A time interval during which something ceases; an interruption, a respite.
 * 6)  An overall-concave, reentrant section of a sinuous fold and thrust belt, thrust sheet, or a single thrust fault, caused by one or more of: deformation (folding and faulting) of strata and geologic structures during orogenesis, differences in the angle of critical taper during orogenesis, or differing erosional level of the present geomorphological surface.
 * 1) Leisure, relaxation.
 * 2) The state of being withdrawn.
 * 3)  A departure from a norm or position.
 * 4)  A time interval during which something ceases; an interruption, a respite.
 * 5)  An overall-concave, reentrant section of a sinuous fold and thrust belt, thrust sheet, or a single thrust fault, caused by one or more of: deformation (folding and faulting) of strata and geologic structures during orogenesis, differences in the angle of critical taper during orogenesis, or differing erosional level of the present geomorphological surface.
 * 1) The state of being withdrawn.
 * 2)  A departure from a norm or position.
 * 3)  A time interval during which something ceases; an interruption, a respite.
 * 4)  An overall-concave, reentrant section of a sinuous fold and thrust belt, thrust sheet, or a single thrust fault, caused by one or more of: deformation (folding and faulting) of strata and geologic structures during orogenesis, differences in the angle of critical taper during orogenesis, or differing erosional level of the present geomorphological surface.
 * 1)  A departure from a norm or position.
 * 2)  A time interval during which something ceases; an interruption, a respite.
 * 3)  An overall-concave, reentrant section of a sinuous fold and thrust belt, thrust sheet, or a single thrust fault, caused by one or more of: deformation (folding and faulting) of strata and geologic structures during orogenesis, differences in the angle of critical taper during orogenesis, or differing erosional level of the present geomorphological surface.
 * 1)  A time interval during which something ceases; an interruption, a respite.
 * 2)  An overall-concave, reentrant section of a sinuous fold and thrust belt, thrust sheet, or a single thrust fault, caused by one or more of: deformation (folding and faulting) of strata and geologic structures during orogenesis, differences in the angle of critical taper during orogenesis, or differing erosional level of the present geomorphological surface.
 * 1)  An overall-concave, reentrant section of a sinuous fold and thrust belt, thrust sheet, or a single thrust fault, caused by one or more of: deformation (folding and faulting) of strata and geologic structures during orogenesis, differences in the angle of critical taper during orogenesis, or differing erosional level of the present geomorphological surface.
 * 1)  An overall-concave, reentrant section of a sinuous fold and thrust belt, thrust sheet, or a single thrust fault, caused by one or more of: deformation (folding and faulting) of strata and geologic structures during orogenesis, differences in the angle of critical taper during orogenesis, or differing erosional level of the present geomorphological surface.
 * 1)  An overall-concave, reentrant section of a sinuous fold and thrust belt, thrust sheet, or a single thrust fault, caused by one or more of: deformation (folding and faulting) of strata and geologic structures during orogenesis, differences in the angle of critical taper during orogenesis, or differing erosional level of the present geomorphological surface.

Translations

 * Bulgarian:
 * Finnish: ,
 * Georgian: ჩაღრმავება
 * German: Aushöhlung,, ,
 * Greek:
 * Ancient: μυχός
 * Hungarian: ,
 * Italian:
 * Japanese: ,
 * Latin: recessus
 * Macedonian: вдлабна́тина
 * Maori: koko
 * Polish: ,
 * Portuguese:
 * Russian:
 * Slovak: priehlbina
 * Swedish:, ,
 * Turkish:, , girik, , , ,

 * Finnish: ,

 * Finnish:
 * Macedonian:

 * Finnish:
 * Macedonian:

 * Finnish:
 * French:
 * Irish: clúid
 * Latin: recessus
 * Macedonian:
 * Portuguese:

 * Finnish:
 * Polish:

 * Arabic:
 * Hijazi Arabic: فُسْحة
 * Bulgarian:, ,
 * Dutch:
 * Finnish: ,
 * French:
 * Georgian: შესვენება, არდადეგები
 * German:, , ,
 * Hungarian:
 * Indonesian:
 * Italian: ,
 * Japanese: ,
 * Korean: 휴식, 휴가
 * Macedonian: па́уза, о́дмор
 * Portuguese:
 * Romanian:
 * Russian: ,
 * Slovak: prázdniny
 * Spanish:
 * Swedish:, , ,
 * Turkish:, , , tātil,

 * Chinese:
 * Mandarin:
 * Finnish:
 * French:
 * Indonesian:
 * Italian:
 * Macedonian:
 * Malay: istirahat
 * Portuguese:

 * Arabic:
 * Gulf Arabic: فرصة
 * Bulgarian: голямо междучасие
 * Catalan:
 * Chinese:
 * Mandarin:
 * Finnish:
 * French:, ,
 * Georgian: შესვენება, დასვენება
 * Hungarian:
 * Italian:
 * Japanese: 休憩時間, 休み時間
 * Macedonian:
 * Persian:
 * Portuguese:
 * Romanian:
 * Russian:
 * Slovak: prestávka
 * Spanish: ,
 * Swedish:
 * Turkish:

 * Bulgarian:
 * Finnish:
 * Macedonian:
 * Slovak: ústup

 * French:

Adjective

 * 1)  Of a place or time: distant, remote.

Verb

 * 1) To position (something) a distance behind another thing; to set back.
 * 2) To make a recess (noun  and ) in (something).
 * 3)  Often preceded by in or into: to inset (something) into a recess or niche.
 * 4)  To conceal, to hide.
 * 5) To temporarily suspend (a meeting, the proceedings of an official body, etc.).
 * 6)  To make a recess appointment in respect of (someone).
 * 7) Of a meeting, the proceedings of an official body, etc.: to adjourn, to take a break.
 * 8) Of an official body: to suspend proceedings for a period of time.
 * 1)  To conceal, to hide.
 * 2) To temporarily suspend (a meeting, the proceedings of an official body, etc.).
 * 3)  To make a recess appointment in respect of (someone).
 * 4) Of a meeting, the proceedings of an official body, etc.: to adjourn, to take a break.
 * 5) Of an official body: to suspend proceedings for a period of time.
 * 1) To temporarily suspend (a meeting, the proceedings of an official body, etc.).
 * 2)  To make a recess appointment in respect of (someone).
 * 3) Of a meeting, the proceedings of an official body, etc.: to adjourn, to take a break.
 * 4) Of an official body: to suspend proceedings for a period of time.
 * 1) Of a meeting, the proceedings of an official body, etc.: to adjourn, to take a break.
 * 2) Of an official body: to suspend proceedings for a period of time.
 * 1) Of an official body: to suspend proceedings for a period of time.
 * 1) Of an official body: to suspend proceedings for a period of time.

Translations

 * Finnish: kaivaa syvennys, tehdä syvennys
 * Macedonian:

 * Finnish: laittaa syvennykseen
 * Macedonian:

 * Finnish: julistaa tauko
 * Macedonian:

 * Finnish: esittää tauon pitämistä
 * Macedonian:

 * Finnish: pitää tauko
 * Macedonian:

 * Bulgarian:
 * Finnish: pitää tauko
 * Japanese: 休憩をとる
 * Macedonian:
 * Maori: hiki
 * Russian: делать углубление

Noun

 * 1) a decision, an agreement, a return (to previous conditions)
 * a, a niche

title: recess


text:
one-minute warning

Noun

 * 1)  In the AFL, a warning given with one minute to go before the end of a half, after which special rules apply, eg, stoppage of the game clock after very first down.

title: one-minute warning


text:
AFL

Usage notes

 * Although the AFL was created in 1990, with the inclusion of teams from other states into the Victorian Football League (VFL), historical games and statistics from before that date are commonly referred to as being those of the AFL.
 * Four different leagues have used this name. The most common usage of "AFL" refers to the fourth American Football League, which operated from 1960 to 1969 and merged into the National Football League (NFL) in 1970. As part of the merger agreement, all games and statistics from the 1960–1969 AFL are included in NFL records.

Noun

 * 1)  The game of.

title: AFL


text:
game clock

Noun

 * 1) A clock used to time a game, such as a chess clock.

Translations

 * Finnish: pelikello

title: game clock


text:
first down

Noun

 * 1)  The first play in a series that has a maximum of four downs.
 * 2)  The act of getting a first down by advancing the ball more than ten yards ahead of the field position where the team took possession.

title: first down


text:
football player

Noun

 * 1)  One who plays gridiron football.
 * 2)  One who plays association football, aka soccer.
 * 3)  One who plays American football.
 * 4)  One who plays Canadian football.
 * 5) A large intimidating male.

title: football player


text:
flush

Etymology 1
From, , of uncertain origin. Perhaps related to 🇨🇬,, , see ; or a Middle English. Compare with 🇨🇬.

Noun

 * 1) A group of birds that have suddenly started up from undergrowth, trees, etc.

Verb

 * 1)  To cause to take flight from concealment.
 * 2)  To take suddenly to flight, especially from cover.
 * 1)  To take suddenly to flight, especially from cover.
 * 1)  To take suddenly to flight, especially from cover.

Translations

 * Bulgarian:
 * Finnish:
 * French: ,
 * German: Aufscheuchen
 * Italian: ,

 * Dutch:
 * Finnish: ; lehahtaa
 * German:, aufjagen,
 * Italian: prendere il volo, levarsi in volo, volare via

Etymology 2
Same as Etymology 3, according to the American Heritage Dictionary.

Adjective

 * 1) Smooth, even, aligned; not sticking out.
 * 2) Wealthy or well off.
 * : a body of text aligned with both its left and right margins.
 * 1) Full of vigour; fresh; glowing; bright.
 * 2) Affluent; abounding; well furnished or suppled; hence, liberal; prodigal.
 * : a body of text aligned with both its left and right margins.
 * 1) Full of vigour; fresh; glowing; bright.
 * 2) Affluent; abounding; well furnished or suppled; hence, liberal; prodigal.
 * 1) Affluent; abounding; well furnished or suppled; hence, liberal; prodigal.
 * 1) Affluent; abounding; well furnished or suppled; hence, liberal; prodigal.

Translations

 * Bulgarian: ,
 * Catalan: enrasat
 * Finnish: samalla tasolla
 * French: ,
 * German:, flächenbündig, oberflächenbündig, , , , , , in gleicher Höhe, auf gleicher Höhe, gleich hoch
 * Italian:, ,
 * Khmer:
 * Norwegian:
 * Spanish: ,
 * Swedish:
 * Turkish: aynı düzeyde, bir hizâda, çıkıntısız, hem yüz

 * Bulgarian:
 * Dutch:, ,
 * Finnish: rahoissaan
 * French: en fonds,
 * German:, ,
 * Norwegian:
 * Spanish:
 * Swedish:, , , ,
 * Turkish: ,

Adverb

 * 1) Suddenly and completely.

Etymology 3
Probably from Etymology 1 according to the American Heritage Dictionary.

Noun

 * 1) A sudden flowing; a rush which fills or overflows, as of water for cleansing purposes.
 * 2) Particularly, such a cleansing of a toilet.
 * 3)  The process of clearing the contents of a buffer or cache.
 * 4) A suffusion of the face with blood, as from fear, shame, modesty, or intensity of feeling of any kind; a blush; a glow.
 * 5) Any tinge of red colour like that produced on the cheeks by a sudden rush of blood.
 * 6) A sudden flood or rush of feeling; a thrill of excitement, animation, etc.
 * 7)  A line of poles or obstacles that a skier must weave between.
 * 1) A sudden flood or rush of feeling; a thrill of excitement, animation, etc.
 * 2)  A line of poles or obstacles that a skier must weave between.
 * 1)  A line of poles or obstacles that a skier must weave between.
 * 1)  A line of poles or obstacles that a skier must weave between.

Translations

 * Arabic: شطف
 * Bulgarian: промиване
 * Finnish:
 * German:, , , Wasserschwall, , Wasserströmung, Durchspülen, Durchströmen
 * Italian:, ,
 * Maori: opeope, horoi

 * Bulgarian: промиване
 * Dutch: waterspoeling
 * Finnish:, vessan vetäminen
 * French:
 * German:, ,
 * Greek:
 * Italian:
 * Polish:
 * Portuguese:

 * German: Rotwerden,, Errötung, , Hautrötung
 * Italian: arrossimento
 * Spanish: chapeta

 * German: ,
 * Italian:
 * Spanish:

 * German:, Aufwallung,
 * Italian:

Verb

 * 1)   To cleanse by flooding with generous quantities of a fluid.
 * 2)  Particularly, to cleanse a toilet by introducing a large amount of water.
 * 3)  To become suffused with reddish color due to embarrassment, excitement, overheating, or other systemic disturbance, to blush.
 * 4)  To cause to blush.
 * 5) To cause to be full; to flood; to overflow; to overwhelm with water.
 * 6)  To excite, inflame.
 * 7)  To be cleansed by being flooded with generous quantities of water.
 * 8)  To clear (a buffer or cache) of its contents.
 * 9)  To write (the data) to primary storage, clearing it from the buffer or cache.
 * 10) To flow and spread suddenly; to rush.
 * 11) To show red; to shine suddenly; to glow.
 * 12)  To fill in (joints); to point the level; to make them flush.
 * 13)  To operate a placer mine, where the continuous supply of water is insufficient, by holding back the water, and releasing it periodically in a flood.
 * 14)  To fill underground spaces, especially in coal mines, with material carried by water, which, after drainage, constitutes a compact mass.
 * 15)  To dispose or be disposed of by flushing down a toilet
 * 1)  To be cleansed by being flooded with generous quantities of water.
 * 2)  To clear (a buffer or cache) of its contents.
 * 3)  To write (the data) to primary storage, clearing it from the buffer or cache.
 * 4) To flow and spread suddenly; to rush.
 * 5) To show red; to shine suddenly; to glow.
 * 6)  To fill in (joints); to point the level; to make them flush.
 * 7)  To operate a placer mine, where the continuous supply of water is insufficient, by holding back the water, and releasing it periodically in a flood.
 * 8)  To fill underground spaces, especially in coal mines, with material carried by water, which, after drainage, constitutes a compact mass.
 * 9)  To dispose or be disposed of by flushing down a toilet
 * 1)  To fill in (joints); to point the level; to make them flush.
 * 2)  To operate a placer mine, where the continuous supply of water is insufficient, by holding back the water, and releasing it periodically in a flood.
 * 3)  To fill underground spaces, especially in coal mines, with material carried by water, which, after drainage, constitutes a compact mass.
 * 4)  To dispose or be disposed of by flushing down a toilet
 * 1)  To dispose or be disposed of by flushing down a toilet

Usage notes
In sense “turn red with embarrassment”, is more common. More finely, in indicating the actual change, blush is usual – “He blushed with embarrassment” – but in indicating state, flushed is also common – “He was flushed with excitement”.

Translations

 * Bulgarian:
 * Czech: spláchnout
 * Dutch:
 * Esperanto:
 * Finnish:
 * French: laver à grande eau
 * German:, , , ,
 * Greek:
 * Ancient: κλύζω
 * Irish: sruthlaigh
 * Italian:
 * Meänkieli: viruttaa
 * Russian:, , ,
 * Swedish:

 * Afrikaans: spoel
 * Armenian: ջուրը քաշել
 * Bulgarian:, изчервявам се
 * Chinese:
 * Mandarin: 衝水
 * Czech: spláchnout
 * Dutch: ,
 * Finnish: ,
 * French: tirer la chasse d'eau, tirer la chasse
 * Georgian:
 * German:, , , ,
 * Irish: sruthlaigh
 * Italian: tirare lo sciacquone
 * Japanese:
 * Portuguese: dar descarga, puxar descarga
 * Romanian: trage apa
 * Russian: ,
 * Swedish:
 * Turkish:
 * Vietnamese:

 * Bulgarian: изчервявам се
 * Dutch:
 * Finnish:
 * French:
 * German:, rot werden
 * Italian:
 * Maori: uraura
 * Swedish:

 * Finnish: punastuttaa
 * German: rot werden lassen, erröten lassen
 * Italian:

 * Finnish:
 * German:, mit Wasser überspülen,
 * Italian:, ,

 * Finnish: ,
 * German: in Wallung bringen,
 * Italian:, , , ,

 * Finnish:, vetää vessa
 * German:
 * Irish: sruthlaigh
 * Italian: tirare lo sciacquone
 * Romanian: trage apa
 * Swedish:
 * Turkish:

 * Finnish:
 * German: (völlig) entleeren,
 * Italian: ,

 * German:, , , , durchströmen
 * Italian: ,

 * Finnish: punehtua
 * German: ,
 * Italian:

 * Finnish: ,
 * German: hineinspülen,, , , ,
 * Italian: ,

Etymology 4
Probably from, cognate with.

Noun

 * 1)  A hand consisting of all cards with the same suit.

Translations

 * Armenian:
 * Bulgarian: флош
 * Catalan:
 * Chinese:
 * Mandarin: 同花
 * Czech: fleš
 * Finnish:
 * French:, ,
 * German: Flush
 * Hungarian:, flös,
 * Icelandic:
 * Italian:
 * Japanese:
 * Maori: whare kotahi
 * Polish:
 * Portuguese:
 * Romanian:
 * Russian: ,
 * Spanish:, , flux
 * Swedish:

Etymology
.

Noun

 * 1)  flush
 * 2)  flush reddening of the face
 * 3)  emptying of the cache
 * 1)  emptying of the cache

Etymology
.

Noun

 * 1)   hand consisting of all cards with the same suit

title: flush


text:
quarterback

Etymology
From, in reference to position in front of the halfback position.

Noun

 * 1)  An offensive back whose primary job is to pass the ball in a play.
 * 2)  An offensive back who receives the snap (hike) and then blocks the defense from crossing the line of scrimmage; a blocking back.
 * 3)  A position just behind the forwards, or one who plays this position.
 * 1)  A position just behind the forwards, or one who plays this position.

Translations

 * Catalan:
 * Finnish:
 * French: ,
 * Georgian: კვოტერბეკი
 * German:
 * Japanese:
 * Marathi: क्वार्टरबॅक
 * Russian:

Verb

 * 1)  To play the position of quarterback.
 * 2)  To lead a team or group; to be primarily responsible for some group project or activity.

Translations

 * Spanish:

Etymology
Borrowed from.

Noun

 * 1) A.

Etymology
.

Etymology
.

title: quarterback


text:
forward pass

Noun

 * 1)  A pass in the forward direction, advancing toward the goal, generally illegal except in American football, once per play, from behind the line of scrimmage.

Translations

 * Czech: přihrávka dopředu

title: forward pass


text:
neutral-zone infraction

Noun

 * 1)  an infraction in which a football player, on defense, gets into or crosses the neutral zone during the snap, causing an offensive player to false start. The penalty is against the defense, not the offense. It is a 5 yard penalty.

title: neutral-zone infraction


text:
hand-off

Etymology
.

Noun

 * 1)  A pass made in a backward direction.
 * 2)  The transfer of the radar identification of an aircraft from one controller to another when the aircraft enters the receiving controller's airspace and radio communications with the aircraft are transferred.
 * 3)  The passing of a completed project to another person or group.
 * 4)  The act of pushing an opponent away with an open hand.
 * 5)  The transfer of control to another subsystem.

title: hand-off


text:
handoff

Etymology
.

title: handoff


text:
fastener

Noun

 * 1) Something or someone that fastens.
 * 2) Mechanically, any device that fastens; especially, a collective term for items such as screws, nuts, washers, clasps, bolts and the like.

Translations

 * Belarusian: за́сцежка
 * Chinese:
 * Mandarin: 緊固物,
 * Dutch:
 * Finnish: kiinnittäjä
 * French:
 * German:, , , , , , Befestiger, Befestigungselement
 * Japanese:
 * Khmer: ,
 * Korean: 파스너
 * Russian: ,
 * Tagalog: talasok
 * Ukrainian: за́стібка
 * Uzbek:

 * Bulgarian:
 * Dutch: bevestigingsonderdeel,
 * Esperanto: fermilo
 * Finnish:
 * French: ,
 * German: Befestigungsmittel, Befestigungselement, Befestiger, Verbinder
 * Greek:
 * Ancient: βλῆτρον
 * Irish: fáiscín, ceangal, dúntóir, ceanglóir
 * Korean:
 * Maori: tāmau
 * Polish:
 * Russian:, , крепёжное изде́лие
 * Spanish:

title: fastener


text:
wide receiver

Noun

 * 1)  An offensive football player whose position on the line of scrimmage is farthest from the ball and whose function is to principally to catch passes.

Translations

 * Finnish:

title: wide receiver