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Wiktionary:Thesaurus/Improvements 2

''This was a place to discuss and coordinate efforts to improve Wikisaurus. It was created in April 2006, active in May 2006 and then stopped; a surge of activity appeared in May 2008.''

''Further discussions on Wikisaurus have been lead in Beer Parlour. For all discussions on Wikisaurus, see Wikisaurus.''

Subpages

 * /archive

Can we make use of bots to help populate Wikisaurus

 * 1) Perhaps simplest, least automated bot idea, therefore least dangerous..
 * Check every entry for existence of word "synonym". If exists, tag with category "possibility for Wikisaurus". Then we can manually go through these and create appropriate Wikisaurus entry, and delete the tag.--Richardb 12:59, 2 April 2006 (UTC)
 * I am not sure this would be that helpful, but it might be worth a try. An alternative would just be to take the entirety of Category:Adverbs and Category:Adjectives and start with them :) - TheDaveRoss 00:52, 3 April 2006 (UTC)
 * 1) Most useful would be a bot that checked to see that entries made in wikisaurus pages had entries in the wiktionary. If they did not and no other source was cited, an error report would be generated.  This would give us a starting point for clean-up of pages without actually altering anything. Amina (sack36) 08:52, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

New Format 1
TheDaveRoss is trying out some new ideas for Wikisaurus - see Wikisaurus:book, Wikisaurus:annoy, Wikisaurus:annoyed for examples.
 * Looks interesting. Any explanation ?--Richardb 09:15, 2 April 2006 (UTC)

My thoughts on what Wikisaurus needs right now are as follows: The format I have been playing around with attacks 2 and 4, and I have been working on 3 also. 1 will be contentious I am certain, so I have been leaving it alone for a bit.
 * 1) accuracy.  The stuff we have there should be as accurate as possible, if the stuff we have there isn't valid, what is the point of keeping it?
 * 2) organization/usefullness. We need to figure out a way to make sure that when someone shows up at a Wikisaurus page they can easily figure out what they came for, without having to consult other sources or read a manual of some kind.  This leads to usefullness.
 * 3) population.  The more the merrier, I think we should have a complementary page for pretty close to everything Wiktionary has, within reason.  Most adjectives, verbs and adverbs have synonyms, near synonyms, idioms etc., there is no shortage of work to be done
 * 4) unification.  One of the things that marks a good site rather than a bad one is the unity of the site.  People shouldn't have to reorient themselves when they navigate from one page to the next, so we should figure out one standard format for the pages and stick with it.  It should be: versatile so it can fit all the words, as easy to use as possible and good looking.

Here is how it goes: example:
 * 1) All lists are formatted in the alternating table, I think it makes them easier to read, even though it isn't the simplest to use.  It uses 4 templates,, ,  and wse simple

is contructed as follows:
 * }

wse: hrunk brief definition of the sense of hrunk

wse: krunk breif definition of the sense of krunk

wse: strunk brief definition of the sense of strunk

|} The obvious problem is that adding an entry to the middle of the list is more work than simply adding it, you have to some templates below it. This means you have to be more familiar with the formatting in order to add an entry which is good in some ways and bad in others.

 * Changed it all...so ignore that. - TheDaveRoss 16:20, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

The overall formatting of the page isn't that much different, I have added a section called "Related Wikisaurus entries" intended for other forms of the word ( would have and  etc.) and other related words that seem applicable. Also other words which seem applicable, has, because a "doer" is an active person.

Other than that, I put all the definitions of a single part of speech in one sense, seperated by definitions, it isn't the most clear, but it was the best I could come up with. I have several sub-sections, synonyms, antonyms, idiomatic, etc. I have done away with translations because I don't think they are actually useful, translations can be found at each entries Wikt* page, and they are more accurate there. I have made it so each synonyms, antonym etc. has a space for a sense definition, so that the user can see what each one means, implies, and get some idea of usage, rather than picking one blindly and incorrectly.

There is certainly more that can be done to the format, but I have redone a few of the smaller ones into this format, so there are several examples about how different words would look. - TheDaveRoss 00:52, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

New Format 2
This has prompted me to dabble a bit. See User:Richardb/danger for an example.--Richardb 09:15, 2 April 2006 (UTC)

I also started on Wikisaurus:weak, but found the format not so helpful, for a word with so many synonyms, and subtle differences of meaning.--Richardb 10:36, 2 April 2006 (UTC)

Scepticism
I'm somewhat sceptical about where all this is going. While a nice format is pretty, we should be more concerned with how the content fits together semantically. Each core idea needs a big picture overview, rather than just a higgledy-piggledy assortment of words. These assortments will just need to be revisited when we have a clearer grasp of the concept.

In Roget danger has its own class, 1006; it is also included in Class 971, uncertainty. Class 1006 is itself sub-divided into 5 noun, 3 verb, 8 adjective and 1 adverb sub-classes; it's a fairly modest class whose contents are included in only slightly more than one full page. I think that we would do better to fully analyze such a page to see where that leads us, and what it tells us about future structures, possible cross-referencing, and what kind of new semantic structures can be added. Eclecticology 02:16, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

 * What is the benefit of following Roget's? I don't understand why we should be concerned about how things fit together semantically, what is it exactly that you think Wikisaurus (and a thesaurus in general) is/should be for.  I don't see the point in having "core structures", but that is probably because I have a different idea of what the purpose of the project is.  Wiktionary is easy, the goal is to include all the definitions in all the languages for every term.  Wikisaurus doesn't have as clear a mandate, should we be looking to include all the synonyms and antonyms?  Should we be trying to expand vocabulary?  Should we be aiming to make a semantic web with interrelated words linked together?  Should we be trying to mirror Roget's thesaurus?  Maybe if we had a better idea of what the end goal is we would have a better idea of how to progress from here. - TheDaveRoss 03:23, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

 * That's a question for Wiktionary talk:Thesaurus considerations, where I raised it before. — Vildricianus 09:46, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

 * Wiktionary talk:Thesaurus considerations hasn't progressed much recently. But really this project, Wikisaurus improvement 1, is just an idea to attempt to give Wikisaurus a bit better reputation, not a complete new strategy. TheDaveRoss sort of kicked off the idea of providing some decent appearance to it (After I'd lambasted him for deleting too much out of Wikisaurus). Seems to me that, populist entries apart, Dave's idea might be worth pursuing, though we need to find a way to keep adding entries as easy as possible. In populist entries, why not have the top of the page as organised as possible (as we've sort of started to do), and let all the "extra" words (most of which can actually be found in literature, in Google searches etc) be clustered at the bottom. There is value in that vast list of apparent "dross". If someone, non-english native, is reading a populist book which uses some of these populist words, they should be able to find them, and some useful information, in this Wiktionary. At the moment, for many of these perfectly valid, though taboo, words, they only appear, as yet, in Wikisaurus. To just chuck them out would mean Wiktionary is less valuable.--Richardb 14:58, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

Compromise Proposal RB 2006 April 5th

 * 1) We work on finding some "structure" suitable for the majority of straight forward, uncontentious Wikisaurus entries.
 * 2) We use that same structure at the beginning of the "populist" Wikisaurus entries, and police that mostly only words with entries get into the structure.
 * 3) We allow all the unattested words (some of which are very valid, very valuable) to cluster at the bottom in only a mildly organised way.--Richardb 14:58, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

With glee I notice that even such words as uncontentious, straight forward and unattested do not have entries yet, and so, in the minds of some people, would not qualify to appear in Wikisaurus. :-)--Richardb 14:58, 5 April 2006 (UTC)
 * straightforward. ;-) — Vildricianus 15:05, 5 April 2006 (UTC)
 * attested, contentious. :-) Eclecticology 01:45, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

 * Perhaps multiple sections at the bottom would be in order. ==Nonces==, ==Protologisms==, ==Slang==, ==Phrases== and ==Unverified== might be appropriate groupings for our most commonly vandalized edited Wikisaurus entries.  As long as all entries in those sections are not wiki-linked, I think the argument could be made that they would be uncontentious.  I'd prefer them on a sub-page, myself.  --Connel MacKenzie T C 23:28, 10 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Sounds a bit complex, compared with "only in a mildly organised way". For starters, many of the people adding words inthese populist areas would not necessarily know what nonce words and protologisms are. To be honest, I'm not sure I really know the difference between a nonce word, a protologism and unverified. To me they all pretty much sound the same in practice - they do not meet the criteria.--Richardb 13:56, 14 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Hiding them on a separate page will, I fear, only lead to them being re-added to the "front page". Make them available but separate, down the bottom, seems more likely to be successful.--Richardb 13:56, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

Merged other page into this
I had a previouis page going - "Wiktionary:Project - Improving Wikisaurus". That page was not receiving much attention, and was essentially covering the same as this page, so I "merged" it in (with some difficulty). The talk page was transferred to the talk page of this project (Unfortunatekly with loss of history, though mostly it was my stuff anyway), and the previous article page was moved to Wikisaurus improvements/archive of Project - Improving Wikisaurus.

Many things which can be included (2006)
There are many relationships which can and should be included in this thesaurus, I have started a list of possibilities, please add other things that ought to be included, or note things you think should not be included. - TheDaveRoss 17:32, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

Information

 * etymology (A comes from B)
 * usage
 * regional information (A is primarily used in B)
 * connotation (A often suggests B)
 * denotation (A literally means B)
 * trivia (e.g. in "crwth" crwth and cwm are the only two words which use 'w' as a vowel)

Gramatical relations:

 * forms ''Each of the various forms of the root: e.g. "annoy" has "annoyance", "annoyed", "annoying"

Semantic relations:

 * meronym (A is part of B)
 * holonym (A has B as a part of itself)
 * hyponym (A is subordinate of B; A is kind of B)
 * troponym (A is subordinate of B; A is kind of B)
 * hypernym (A is superordinate of B)
 * synonym (A denotes the same as B)
 * antonym (A denotes the opposite of B)
 * heteronym (A is spelled the same as, but means something different than, B)
 * homonym (A is spelled and/or pronounced the same as B)
 * homograph (A is spelled the same as B)
 * homophone (A is pronounced the same as B)

Other relations:

 * anagram (A is an anagram of B)
 * cognates (A is derived from the same word as B)
 * false cognates (A appears to be but is infact not derived from the same word as B)

A Re-prioritization of the Wikisaurus Project (2008)
This section was mostly written by Amina (sack36) in May 2008.

Preface
Below, under proposal, I have put together a plan of action for cleaning up and making manageable the wikisaurus project. Could you read through and give me your impressions?

Proposal
In order to bring the project into a manageable form, I've set up a prioritization schedule. By following this schedule we will be able to present at least something to the general public (not to be confused with the geek public who actually--through perseverance and sideways thinking--were able to find this back alley.

Phase 1: Clean-up

 * The words that are already suggested will be cleaned up and set in their proper sequence.

Phase 2: Startup

 * only one form of each word will be used.
 * verbs: present tense, standard use (e.g. to be -> am)
 * nouns: no possessives or proper names
 * all etymology, usage, etc. we leave for later phases
 * as each section has consensus of "adequate" in the Beer hall, it will be locked and released to a more public area with a note on it that if anyone wishes to add to the project they can list their synonym for any given word on the discussion page of the appropriate page, and we will include it at our earliest convenience.
 * If they would like to join the wikisaurus project they can join the discussion and say hello in the Beer Garden. This will allow us a filter while we're setting things up.
 * Once we have a sufficient body of work finished in phase one, we will release the work to be handled in the normal wiktionary fashion.

Phase 3: TBD
This phase to be discussed in the Beer Garden forum. Amina (sack36) 02:20, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

 * I think that locking pages is not generally a good idea. The current situation on the 'Saurus is not due to the fact that anyone can edit, but the lack of any obvious criteria for what does and doesn't belong.   Of course there will be certain pages (particularly those related to sex and feces) that may require protection, but that shouldn't be the norm.  If a rigorous structure is set up and enforced, as is done in entry space, it will be easy for patrollers to identify problematic additions.  In this regard I think TDR's earlier work sets a helpful example. -- Visviva 03:27, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

 * Perhaps I misunderstand what you are saying. I went to the first of the pages and I see headwords.  So far, so good.  This is exactly what I was saying when I mentioned we would keep with the structure already established.  I clicked on one at random, and the structure that was there was way too complex for us to keep a handle on and still produce a product before 2030. It also had a very confusing introductory list at the top that was headed "Wiktionary | Wikisaurus | Sense"  There were several errors to the placement of words in categories.  I do want to incorporate nearly everything that is on the page, even keep the page almost the same as it looks, just put "coming soon" in the areas we can't handle right now. I also want to cut down on all that white space.  We need some, yes, but people get irritated when they have to scroll down to see if they're on the right page and thesauri need to be a "quick lookup" affair. One more thing and I will end. I got to thinking of the nature of a thesaurus.  Aren't all words headwords? Amina (sack36) 20:27, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

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harken

Etymology
See

Verb

 * : to hear, to listen, to have regard.
 * 1)  To hark back, to return or revert (to a subject, etc.), to allude to, to evoke, to long or pine for.
 * 1)  To hark back, to return or revert (to a subject, etc.), to allude to, to evoke, to long or pine for.
 * 1)  To hark back, to return or revert (to a subject, etc.), to allude to, to evoke, to long or pine for.
 * 1)  To hark back, to return or revert (to a subject, etc.), to allude to, to evoke, to long or pine for.

Usage notes
Where sense 2 is concerned, the bare form harken has been used since the 1980s, though some authorities frown upon this and prefer the traditional form.

Derived terms

 * harken back

Etymology
From early modern Dutch, , from.

Verb

 * 1) to rake, to use a rake on

Verb

 * 1)  to rake

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quinone

Etymology
, since it is one of the compounds obtained upon oxidation of quinic acid.

Noun

 * 1)  Any of a class of aromatic compounds having two carbonyl functional groups in the same six-membered ring.

Translations

 * Catalan: quinona
 * Chinese:
 * Cantonese: 醌
 * Mandarin:
 * Czech: chinon
 * Greek:
 * Irish: cuineon
 * Italian:
 * Japanese: キノン
 * Korean: 퀴논
 * Latvian: hinons
 * Persian: کینون
 * Polish: chinon
 * Spanish: quinona
 * Thai: ควิโนน

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hearken

Etymology
From, from , , , from ed with , from , from , from , from  +  +. The spelling of the English word was probably influenced by, and can be analysed as.

Verb

 * 1)  To hear (something) with attention; to have regard to (something).
 * 2)  To listen; to attend or give heed to what is uttered; to hear with attention, compliance, or obedience.
 * 3)  To enquire; to seek information.
 * 1)  To listen; to attend or give heed to what is uttered; to hear with attention, compliance, or obedience.
 * 2)  To enquire; to seek information.
 * 1)  To listen; to attend or give heed to what is uttered; to hear with attention, compliance, or obedience.
 * 2)  To enquire; to seek information.
 * 1)  To listen; to attend or give heed to what is uttered; to hear with attention, compliance, or obedience.
 * 2)  To enquire; to seek information.
 * 1)  To enquire; to seek information.
 * 1)  To enquire; to seek information.
 * 1)  To enquire; to seek information.
 * 1)  To enquire; to seek information.
 * 1)  To enquire; to seek information.
 * 1)  To enquire; to seek information.
 * 1)  To enquire; to seek information.
 * 1)  To enquire; to seek information.
 * 1)  To enquire; to seek information.
 * 1)  To enquire; to seek information.
 * 1)  To enquire; to seek information.
 * 1)  To enquire; to seek information.
 * 1)  To enquire; to seek information.

Usage notes
The form hearken is much more common in Britain, while harken (which is older and thought by some to be more regularly formed from ) is more common in the United States.

Translations

 * Bulgarian:, вслушвам се
 * Finnish:, kuunnella tarkkaan
 * German:, ,
 * Gothic: 𐌰𐌽𐌳𐌷𐌰𐌿𐍃𐌾𐌰𐌽
 * Greek:
 * Ancient: ὑπακούω
 * Ido:
 * Italian: dare ascolto, ascoltare con attenzione, prestare orecchio
 * Portuguese: escutar atentamente
 * Russian:, вне́млить,
 * Serbo-Croatian: ,
 * Swedish:
 * Turkish: ,

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benzoquinone

Noun

 * 1)  Either of the two isomeric forms of the simplest quinone, C6H4O2, or any of their derivatives.

Translations

 * Polish: benzochinon
 * Spanish: benzoquinona

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pleiotropic

Adjective

 * 1) Of or pertaining to pleiotropy.

Translations

 * Finnish:
 * French:
 * Italian: pleiotropico
 * Russian: плейотро́пный, плейотро́пная, плейотро́пное

title: pleiotropic


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Wiktionary:Quotations/Templates

This is an index to pages listing quotation templates available at the English Wiktionary website.

English

 * English quotation templates (A–B)
 * English quotation templates (C)
 * English quotation templates (D–F)
 * English quotation templates (G–H)
 * English quotation templates (I–L)
 * English quotation templates (M)
 * English quotation templates (N–R)
 * English quotation templates (S)
 * English quotation templates (T–Z)

French

 * French quotation templates

Japanese

 * Japanese quotation templates

Latin

 * Latin quotation templates

Middle English

 * Middle English quotation templates

Scots

 * Scots quotation templates

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ദൈവം

Etymology 1
.

Noun

 * 1) God

Etymology 2
.

Adjective

 * 1) pertaining to God

title: ദൈവം


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brougham

Etymology
Named from Henry Peter, Lord Brougham (1778–1868), who either invented or popularized the vehicle.

Noun

 * 1) A four-wheeled horse-drawn carriage, designed in 1839. It had an open seat for the driver in front of the closed cabin for two or four passengers.
 * 2) An automobile, a sedan without a roof over the driver's seat.
 * 1) An automobile, a sedan without a roof over the driver's seat.
 * 1) An automobile, a sedan without a roof over the driver's seat.
 * 1) An automobile, a sedan without a roof over the driver's seat.

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Talk:social

Fred hated going down the social to sign on. ?=>

Fred hated going down to the social to sign on.

--Espoo 10:46, 2 April 2006 (UTC)

Bug?
For some bizarre reason, I can't see this entry. I only see a blank page, even after emptying the cache. Steinbach (talk) 06:44, 28 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Problem solved. It was my over-zealous ad blocker. Steinbach (talk) 09:13, 29 June 2018 (UTC)

Example of use as a noun
Is this really an example of use as a noun?

"discussing the social strategies of various companies". Nurg (talk) 03:14, 14 May 2024 (UTC)

Usage note: /ˈsoʊsəl/
The now widely used pronunciation in which the "sh" sound becomes "s," is regarded as incorrect, even though it can be associated with some regional U.S. speech patterns. JMGN (talk) 09:25, 9 June 2024 (UTC)

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trebly

Adjective

 * 1) Having treble, or high-pitched, qualities.

Adverb

 * 1)  Three times, thrice
 * 2) To three times the extent or degree; triply.

Synonyms

 * , ; see also Thesaurus:thrice

title: trebly


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Yahoo!

Etymology
According to , the name itself is an acronym for “Yet Another Hierarchical Officious Oracle”, incorporated 1995. However, other sources claim the main inspiration by founders and  originates from Yahoo, the race of barbaric beings from the  novel  (perhaps with a semantic notion of strongly exploring the then-"wild" late 90s Internet), thence the acronym apparently being a backronym. Also compare Etymology 2 of ; the exclamation point was supposedly added to "strengthen" the trademark.

Proper noun

 * 1)  A web portal and search engine located at yahoo.com.

Translations

 * Arabic: يَاهُو!, يَاهُو
 * Armenian: Յահու
 * Belarusian: Яху́!, Яху́
 * Bengali: ইয়াহু!, ইয়াহু
 * Bihari: याहू!, याहू
 * Bulgarian: Яху́!, Яху́
 * Chinese:
 * Mandarin: ,
 * Estonian:
 * Fiji Hindi: Yahoo!
 * Finnish: Yahoo!
 * Georgian: იაჰუ
 * Greek: ,
 * Hindi: याहू!, याहू
 * Japanese: ヤフー！, ヤフー
 * Korean: ^야후!, ^야후
 * Macedonian: Јаху!, Јаху
 * Malay: Yahoo!
 * Marathi: याहू!, याहू
 * Nepali: याहू!
 * Persian: ,
 * Portuguese: Yahoo
 * Russian: ,
 * Sanskrit: याहू!
 * Serbo-Croatian:
 * Cyrillic: Јаху!, Јаху
 * Swedish: Yahoo!
 * Thai: ยาฮู!, ยาฮู
 * Turkish: Yahoo!
 * Ukrainian: Яху́!, Яху́
 * Urdu: یاہو!, یاہو

title: Yahoo!


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muso

Etymology
From.

Pronunciation

 * \mù.so\

Noun

 * 1) woman
 * 2) wife

Etymology
From languages, ultimately from.

The computing sense is a.

Pronunciation

Noun

 * 1) mouse (rodent of the genus Mus)

Noun

 * 1)  mouse (computer input device)

Etymology
Borrowed from, , , , all ultimately from.

Noun

 * 1) mouse rodent
 * 2)  mouse

Etymology
Inherited from, of uncertain etymology but probably expressive of the shape of protruded lips and/or influenced by 🇨🇬. Cognates include 🇨🇬 and, 🇨🇬, 🇨🇬. Not related to, ,.

Noun

 * 1) muzzle (of an animal)
 * 2)  mug, face (of a person)
 * 3) nose (of an aircraft)
 * 4) front (of a car etc.)

Etymology 1
From.

Noun

 * 1) muse

Etymology
Cognate with 🇨🇬, 🇨🇬 as well as 🇨🇬.

Noun

 * 1) donkey, ass

Interjection

 * 1) hooray, an expression used to denote happiness or joy.

title: muso


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warmup

Etymology
.

title: warmup


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lipread

Verb

 * 1)  To determine what a person is saying by watching the movement of their lips.

Translations

 * Chinese:
 * Mandarin:
 * Czech:
 * Danish: mundaflæse
 * Finnish: lukea huulilta
 * French:
 * German: von den Lippen lesen
 * Hungarian: szájról olvas
 * Icelandic: varalestur
 * Norwegian:
 * Bokmål: lese på lepper, lese på munn
 * Spanish: leer los labios

title: lipread


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class="wikitable" style="width:100%;" ! style="width:66%;" | Output ! style="width:34%;" | Template

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lithographer

Noun

 * 1) A person who makes lithographs, who does lithography.

Translations

 * Esperanto: litografisto
 * Finnish: litografi
 * French:
 * Irish: liteagrafaí
 * Italian: ,
 * Polish:
 * Romanian: ,
 * Spanish: ,

title: lithographer


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lithograph

Etymology
,.

Noun

 * 1) A printed image produced by lithography.

Translations

 * Catalan:
 * Danish: litografi
 * Dutch:, steendruck
 * Finnish: ,
 * French:
 * German:, ,
 * Ido:
 * Irish: liteagraf
 * Italian:
 * Norwegian:
 * Bokmål: litografi
 * Nynorsk: litografi
 * Polish:
 * Portuguese:
 * Spanish:
 * Swedish:

Verb

 * 1) To create a copy of an image through lithography.

Translations

 * Catalan:
 * French:
 * German:
 * Ido:
 * Irish: liteagraf
 * Italian: litografare
 * Portuguese: litografar
 * Russian:
 * Vietnamese:, ,

title: lithograph


text:
lithographically

Adverb

 * 1) In the manner of, or by means of, lithography.

title: lithographically


text:
lithographic

Adjective

 * 1)  Related to the method of lithography.

Translations

 * Catalan: litogràfic
 * Czech: litografický
 * Finnish:
 * German: lithographisch
 * Italian: litografico
 * Polish: litograficzny
 * Spanish:

title: lithographic


text: whitewater

title: whitewater


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littleness

Etymology
From, , from , , equivalent to.

Noun

 * 1) The property of being little, smallness.
 * His littleness didn't bother him, except when he needed to get something off the top shelf.
 * 1) * 1757,, , Part III, Sect. 21, pp. 161-162,
 * Littleness, merely as such, has nothing contrary to the idea of beauty. The humming bird both in shape and colouring yields to none of the winged species, of which it is the least; and perhaps his beauty is enhanced by his smallness.
 * 1) Smallness of spirit; pettiness.
 * 1) Smallness of spirit; pettiness.

Translations

 * Latin: parvitās

title: littleness


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smallness

Etymology
From ; equivalent to.

Noun

 * 1)  The state or quality of being small.
 * 2)  The result or product of being small.
 * 1)  The result or product of being small.
 * 1)  The result or product of being small.
 * 1)  The result or product of being small.

Translations

 * Arabic:
 * Esperanto: eteco
 * French:
 * German: Kleinheit
 * Greek:
 * Ancient: μικρότης
 * Icelandic:
 * Ido:
 * Ingrian: peenys
 * Irish: laghad
 * Italian:
 * Latin: parvitās
 * Polish:
 * Romanian:
 * Russian: ,
 * Spanish: ,
 * Turkish:
 * Zulu: ubuncane

title: smallness


text:
literariness

Noun

 * 1) The property of being literary, either being a work of literature or knowledgeable of literature.
 * His literariness helped him understand the obscure references in the book.
 * Its literariness kept the book in print for decades.

title: literariness


text:
litigator

Noun

 * 1) A person employed to litigate, a lawyer skilled in arguing in court.

title: litigator


text: loan sharking

title: loan sharking


text:
there and back

Etymology
Possibly a shortening of to there and back.

Phrase

 * 1)  On or for a round trip journey, literal or figurative.
 * It took me about 20 minutes there and back.
 * You don't need to tell me about depression. I've been there and back.

Translations

 * Finnish: sinne ja takaisin, menopaluuna,
 * German: hin und zurück
 * Hungarian:
 * Polish:
 * Russian:
 * Spanish: ir y volver, estar allí y volver

 * Finnish: sinne ja takaisin
 * Russian:

title: there and back


text:
大和言葉

Etymology
Originally a compound of.

Noun

 * 1) a Japanese word of ancient Japanese origin
 * 2) Japanese songs or poetry
 * 3) refined diction, especially the language used in the, , or
 * 1) Japanese songs or poetry
 * 2) refined diction, especially the language used in the, , or
 * 1) refined diction, especially the language used in the, , or

Proper noun

 * 1) the Japanese language

title: 大和言葉


text: conveyer

title: conveyer


text:
陰極

Noun

 * 1) cathode

Noun

 * 1) cathode

title: 陰極


text:
conveyor

Etymology
.

Noun

 * 1) A person that conveys, transports or delivers.
 * 2) Anything that conveys, transports or delivers.
 * 3) A mechanical arrangement for transporting material or objects, generally over short or moderate distances, as from one part of a building to another.
 * 1) A mechanical arrangement for transporting material or objects, generally over short or moderate distances, as from one part of a building to another.

Translations

 * Finnish: ,
 * French:
 * Russian: ,

 * Finnish:
 * French:
 * Russian: ,

 * Belarusian: канве́ер
 * Bulgarian: конве́йр
 * Chinese:
 * Mandarin:
 * Czech: ,
 * Finnish:
 * Japanese:
 * Kazakh: конвейер
 * Korean:
 * Kyrgyz: жылдыргыч
 * Polish: przenośnik
 * Russian:
 * Slovak: dopravník
 * Ukrainian: конве́єр

title: conveyor


text:
conveyor belt

Etymology
.

Noun

 * 1) A continuous flexible band moved by a series of rollers to transport objects or material from one place to another, especially within a factory or mine.

Translations

 * Arabic: حِزَام نَاقِل
 * Chinese:
 * Mandarin:
 * Czech: dopravní pás
 * Danish:, ,
 * Dutch:
 * Faroese: flutningsband
 * Finnish:
 * French:
 * German: ,
 * Hebrew:, סֶרֶט נָע
 * Hindi: कन्वेयर बेल्ट
 * Hungarian: ,
 * Icelandic:
 * Irish: crios iompair
 * Italian: nastro trasportatore
 * Japanese: ,
 * Korean: 컨베이어 벨트,
 * Maori: ara nekeneke
 * Norwegian:
 * Bokmål: transportbånd, transportband
 * Nynorsk: transportband
 * Polish:
 * Portuguese: esteira rolante
 * Romanian:
 * Russian: ле́нточный конве́йер, ле́нточный транспортёр, ,
 * Spanish: cinta transportadora
 * Swedish:, transportband
 * Tamil: கொண்டுவார்
 * Thai:
 * Vietnamese: ,
 * Yiddish: קאָנווייער

title: conveyor belt


text:
User talk:Espoo

Welcome!

Hello, and welcome to Wiktionary. Thank you for your contributions. I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are a few good links for newcomers:
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burden
Hi. You can add definitions yourself as well. Feel free to give it a go. Just be sure to not violate a copyright. Thanks! sewnmouthsecret 19:37, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

 * Yes, i know, as you can see from my edit history, but i wasn't exactly sure what to do in the case of a homograph since Wiktionary doesn't use burden1 burden2 like other dictionaries. I don't have time to figure out how to change the layout, and in any case the links to the word in other languages would only be for one of the two words. This seems to be a major logical error in Wiktionary. --Espoo 19:47, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

key chain
Please note that there are minimal formatting requirements for Wiktionary entries, as specified on WT:ELE. In particular, every entry must have (1) a level-2 language header, (2) a level-3 part of speech header, (3) an inflection line, and (4) a definition. your entry for key chain was lacking the first three items. --EncycloPetey 18:58, 15 January 2009 (UTC)

If you don't want to turn people off by giving them a hard time and making them think that only pedants are welcome here, a friendlier way of saying essentially the same thing would be "please make a redirect if you don't have time or feel it's necessary to make a new full entry"...--Espoo 19:21, 15 January 2009 (UTC)
 * No, it wouldn't, because we don't want redirects. See Redirections. --EncycloPetey 19:24, 15 January 2009 (UTC)

 * OMG, are you seriously saying that you think a missing entry is better than a redirect or an entry not fulfilling all ideal requirements? That would definitely discourage the majority of possibly interested new editors.--Espoo 19:46, 15 January 2009 (UTC)
 * It is a community-wide decision, and there are many good reasons for it. We are a multi-lingual dictionary, and a redirect (1) does not indicate language, (2) does not allow for the fact that the particular spelling so redirected may be a word in more than one language.  It's not about ideal requirements, but about basic ones.  If a possibly interested new user can't be bothered to put in two headers, an inflection line (the word in bold), and a definition, then they should find something less strenuous to occupy their time. --EncycloPetey 19:49, 15 January 2009 (UTC)

 * Now that you explained the reasons for those additions 1-3, asking for them doesn't sound so pedantic anymore. But it'd be a good idea to not put people off by talking to them as if they've violated some rule or even committed an offense. On the contrary, it'd be a good idea to thank for any contribution, even one that wasn't as carefully or professionally carried out as you'd do it... --Espoo 20:16, 15 January 2009 (UTC)

 * Our editors and users speak many languages, and often don't speak English very well. Burdening them with a lengthy explanation is often more off-putting than briefly stating the basic facts. --EncycloPetey 20:20, 15 January 2009 (UTC)

 * 1) It's mainly a question of not using the wrong tone. 2) What you wrote is in addition very much more difficult to understand for both native and non-native speakers than saying the same thing in a few words, e.g. "Thanks for your contribution. Please always add at least a language header as explained on WT:ELE. It'd be good to also add a part of speech header and an inflection line." --Espoo 20:45, 15 January 2009 (UTC)

Have you considered adding a minimal user page? Babel boxes help here much more than on other MW projects, in part because we have a much higher percentage of contributors for whom English is a second language. A set of Babel boxes, even with no other page content, would help other users communicate with you, and if there are odd languages you speak, it would allow us to make better use of that expertise. --EncycloPetey 20:54, 15 January 2009 (UTC)

Old maid
Please use "Old maid (card game)" in a sentence. --EncycloPetey 19:52, 15 March 2009 (UTC)
 * A quick search of Google Books shows that having both elements capitalized is common in English. We don't limit ourselves to what print dictionaries do.  Our underlying principle is to describe the language as used, not as described by other sources.  We do sometimes rely on other dictionaries to assist us in making decisions, but don't ultimately rely on just what they say. --EncycloPetey 19:57, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

 * If you think the clarifying addition "card game" in the lemma is inappropriate according to Wiktionary conventions, we should delete this article completely and make it a redirect to old maid.
 * Card enthusiasts like to capitalise the names of games and playing cards and many other things that are clearly common nouns, but I'm sure you'll agree that it's incorrect to capitalise poker and chess and canasta, and that it makes no sense whatsoever in following the quirks of some printed sources when the majority or all major dictionaries use lowercase for all games they list. See e.g. here. As you know, modern dictionaries describe the most widespread usage based on extensive databases and research, so we don't need to engage in very unreliable research using Google searches to try to guess what is the most common usage. If you like, we can of course add a comment "sometimes capitalised" or "often capitalised" at old maid def. 5. --Espoo 20:29, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

 * It's not that clear; and we don't delete words that can be attested in published sources that meet WT:CFI. You seem to be working from a Wikipedia point of view, but this isn't Wikipedia.  We deal with a different kind of information, and we deal with it (accordingly) in a different way.  If a particular spelling is attested, per the requirements of WT:CFI, then that spelling gets an entry.  Period.  You may say that "it makes no sense whatsoever in following the quirks of some printed sources", but those printed sources are our primary literature references upon which this dictionary (and every other dictionary) is based.  We can't ignore them because of someone's opinon.  We don't restrict spellings to just the most common; we use them all.

 * And no, I would not agree that it's "incorrect to capitalise poker and chess and canasta", because those terms are names of games, which puts them in fuzzy ground between common noun and proper noun (i.e. "name"). Many of the most famous publications on games (such as Hoyle) routinely regard them as proper nouns and capitalize them.  And English capitlaizes some nouns that are common nouns (such as days of the week and months of the year), so you can't really argue "correct" capitalization from the grammar.  It ultimately comes down to what publishers are publishing.  --EncycloPetey 20:48, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

 * I have nothing against recording all spelling variants, but am I incorrect in believing that Wiktionary usually puts detailed descriptions at the entry with the most common spelling and very little more than "variant spelling" at other entries? Is the Chess redirect incorrect, or would you agree that my suggestion to move the info to def. 5 at old maid and make Old Maid a redirect was quite in accord with Wiktionary policy?
 * I'm sorry I assumed you'd agree something was incorrect that perhaps isn't, but I must say I've never seen any reputable printed source capitalise "chess" or "poker". Are these also uppercase in Hoyle?!
 * In any case, it seems you're still questioning the reliability of the most reputable printed dictionaries and prefer to trust the haphazard results generated by Google searches to the databases and the expertise these reputable dictionaries are based on. Lowercase for games is definitely much more common usage today as shown by the unanimous entries for, e.g., poker, canasta, and chess.--Espoo 21:22, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

 * No, the redirect is incorrect. See Redirections.  In general, we do not want redirects.  Part of the rationale is that the other spelling could be a word in another language.  So, for example, we wouldn't redirect Uterus to uterus: because the capitalized form is a German word (and German nouns are always capitalized).  Yes, the game names are all upper case in Hoyle.  I am not questioning the reliability of dictionaries, merely the interpretation you have made.  Just because a dictionary has chosen to place a set of entries at lower case (or upper case) is not necessarily indication of what is done in use.

 * And the big dictionaries are not free of error. The OED, for example, gives as one of the definitions of parrot "the puffin".  I have been actively researching this to improve our entry for that word, and can't find supporting citations.  All citations I find have "sea-parrot", not "parrot".  So, this appears to be an error in the OED.  I have found others, and so have colleagues of mine, with regard to many issues.  I've ever discovered senses of words that the OED did not include.  Unlike Wikipedia, we are not bound to merely cite what other dictionaries have said.  Wiktionary (ultimately) wants its entries backed up with source data in the form of verifiable citations from published references.

 * You are continuing to make faulty assumptions based on Wikpedia practice. We don't name "articles" based on their most common spelling as Wikipedia does.  We have more than one method for dealing with variant spellings.  When one spelling is overwhlemingly the norm, and when the variant has no additional useful data that might be given, then we may use a soft redirect with a  template.  However, we don't always do that.  For color: and colour: we maintain complete entries, since each spelling is geographically favored.  In the case of old maid: and Old Maid:, the second spelling applies only to the card game; it is not an alternative spelling for all senses, so it is clearer to have a full separate entry. --EncycloPetey 21:37, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

 * Just because a dictionary has chosen to place a set of entries at lower case (or upper case) is not necessarily indication of what is done in use. You are quite misinformed about the editorial principles of all major English dictionaries. If they list a set of entries as lowercase, that is most definitely because that usage is more common. And when they don't even mention uppercase as a variant, that means that uppercase is much, much less frequent. They specifically base their decisions on citations in databases that cover all usage of the word. Even if the majority of books on games used uppercase, which I highly doubt, this usage would probably not be mentioned in modern print dictionaries because I'm quite sure that the majority of novels, essays, scholarly articles, newspaper articles, private communications, etc. very rarely use uppercase.

 * And the big dictionaries are not free of error. When they are all unanimous on a specific issue, pointing out that individual dictionaries make errors in individual cases is an extremely weak argument, to say the least... --Espoo 21:54, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

 * Well, you seem convinced of your position, so I won't try to clarify the issue further. You might want to re-check your data and also look at primary rather than secondary sources. --EncycloPetey 21:57, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

Referencing pronunciatory transcriptions
Hello there. It’s good to see another editor citing authorities whilst he edits. However, in future, please use in-line references like this when citing an authority to support an assertion of fact (such as an etymology, pronunciatory transcription, context tag, alternative spelling, definition, &c.) in a Wiktionary entry. Thanks. Regards, †  ﴾(u):Raifʻhār (t):Doremítzwr﴿ 10:37, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

Your alteration of contents of a quotation at ABD
Hello Espoo -- Regarding this edit, please do not under any circumstances alter the content of accurate quotations. To do so is considered to be vandalism. -- WikiPedant 16:06, 21 September 2009 (UTC)

 * I'm sorry. I simply didn't realise it was a quote, which I wouldn't dream of changing. If even editors don't notice a quote because it's not in italics or quotation marks, it's a good sign that the current Wiktionary quote layout confuses many readers too. The incorrect comma instead of colon helped confuse me (especially since i'm a professional copyeditor and notice punctuation marks), but a quote should be more clearly indicated than by a barely visible colon.
 * Please don't be so quick to accuse someone of vandalism when you can see they don't yet have much experience editing Wiktionary but have made enough edits to show that they are trying to help and are not careless or destructive. --Espoo 22:38, 21 September 2009 (UTC)

IPA brackets
Please do not remove slashes from IPA pronunciations. They're supposed to be there to note that the pronunciation is broadly phonemic rather tha phonetic. --EncycloPetey 19:15, 28 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Sorry. --Espoo 19:26, 28 November 2009 (UTC)

context labels
Just so you know, you can (and should) combine labels, like. See [[Wiktionary:Context labels]] for more info. —msh210℠ (talk) 21:12, 9 May 2011 (UTC)

Homes
Hi there. My understanding (and I've been through the system twice - once with my father-in-law, and once with my mother) is that a rest home is the same as a care home - the residents cannot look after themselves but don't need constant nursing, just help with simple tasks like bathing. But a nursing home is for people who can do very little for themselves and have medical conditions (as well as just being old and frail). Cheers. SemperBlotto 22:26, 13 November 2011 (UTC)

The terms overlap, and they are also used differently in UK and US English. Please feel free to add explanations about the differences you've observed, but please clearly label what kind of English you observed them in. As you can see here, rest home = nursing home according to the extensive corpus that dictionary is based on. In any case, you're saying the opposite of what your edit did. Your edit removed three other synonyms and left rest home as a synonym of nursing home and vice versa. --Espoo 22:36, 13 November 2011 (UTC)

paprika
I'd imagine the problem here is that you've speedy deleted the vegetable sense with no prior discussion. Therefore, for an admin to revert you is entirely standard. Mglovesfun (talk) 10:44, 11 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Even more bizarrely, you've written "Not usually used to refer to the vegetable in English". So it does refer to the vegetable in English, so you've removed the sense whilst conceding that it's valid. Is that a pure error on your part or an actual attempt to damage the entry? Mglovesfun (talk) 10:47, 11 July 2012 (UTC)
 * As you can clearly see in the sources provided (which you removed) and as you know if you're a native English speaker, the vegetable sense is not English; its addition and re-addition was and is nonsense, a clear case of a false friend.
 * As you also know, English is an international tool of communication which is therefore used incorrectly by many people, but Wiktionary's purpose is not to record all mistakes made by non-native speakers when using English. I'll have to change the scientifically i.e. linguistically correct wording "not usually used" to "not used by native speakers" or "not used in English" to prevent rash edits like yours, which not only put the blatant error of the vegetable sense back but also removed other valuable information including sources and pronunciation corrections.
 * It should definitely not be standard for an admin to revert an edit supported by reliable sources. It should be even more clear that alluding to such a carefully done and supported edit as an attempt to damage the entry is not only extremely rude but simply silly and shows a lack of good sense or good judgment. --Espoo (talk) 19:46, 11 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Hey wait, in your edit, even you concede the vegetable sense is valid. Do you often delete senses you yourself consider to be valid? Mglovesfun (talk) 13:05, 12 July 2012 (UTC)
 * I don't think you can speedy delete something as a new user and then complain when someone reverts you. We have processes here, processes which work which is why we stick with them. Please do not try and bypass those processes. Also, do any of your sources say that this does not mean the vegetable in English? If so, which? Mglovesfun (talk) 13:09, 12 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Just checked. Of the three sources you added, none of them say it's not a vegetable. If you're on a one-man (or one-woman) mission to change how Wiktionary works, fine, but don't be surprised if you come up against some resistance. Honestly I think this is just point of view pushing combine with a lack of research, you've confused 'this doesn't exist' with 'I don't like it'. Mglovesfun (talk) 13:16, 12 July 2012 (UTC)

What's going on here? I'm very confused. Are you a native speaker of English? I did not "concede the vegetable sense is valid". I said that non-native speakers sometimes use the word incorrectly that way, but as far as i know, Wiktionary does not record false friends and other incorrect usage by non-native speakers.

Is this perhaps a case of a regional difference? Do you know of any kind of regional English where paprika is used for the vegetable? Then please add the regional marker, but the article as it now stands is just plain wrong in US and UK English. --Espoo (talk) 17:05, 13 July 2012 (UTC)

 * I just saw on your user page that you are a native English speaker, so now i'm even more confused. I also saw that you're proficient in French. Would you agree that it would be incorrect to add "poivron" to the definition of the French word "paprika" in the French Wiktionary? It would be just as incorrect to add it to the definition of the English word "paprika" on that page or in paprika. --Espoo (talk) 17:55, 13 July 2012 (UTC)

In general (viz, not just for paprika), if you doubt that a sense exists for a word, and Wiktionary lists that sense, use rather than removing the sense. (And if you think two senses listed are actually one, use . The latter template has no documentation (last I checked), but it's used the same as the other.) —msh210℠ (talk) 18:39, 13 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes but there's no point in this case, see Talk:paprika. Mglovesfun (talk) 18:41, 13 July 2012 (UTC)

 * Nonsense, as shown on that page.
 * And why would you call someone who's been editing for many years a new editor, and what sense is there in accusing someone who's been making only constructive edits for those many of making an "actual attempt to damage the entry", and why would you call a fellow editor a "user", and why try to make them shut up by referring to administrators and processes, and what sense is there in claiming an editor is engaging in "point of view pushing combine with a lack of research" when that editor had even presented the sources he used?
 * Especially if someone is a new editor, but definitely not only then, you should be much less aggressive and explain the processes instead of bashing someone over the head with them.
 * In addition, you apparently don't understand some of the very basics of Wiktionary, like Help:Interacting with humans Never assume malevolence.
 * Where does one complain about an admin's improper behavior? --Espoo (talk) 20:05, 13 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Well, there's WT:BP for complaints but (from my experience) don't expect too much.. -- Gauss (talk) 20:13, 13 July 2012 (UTC)

Babel
Would you add a Babel template to your user page ? I'd appreciate it. Are you a native English speaker? --Dan Polansky (talk) 07:59, 14 July 2012 (UTC)

caffellatte
It is difficult, these days, to find evidence of the original (before Starbuckification) - but "If it is in the morning shortly after the espresso cups hits the saucer, a small pitcher of milk is steamed up and lands nearby, a caffe’ latte." is in. "The coffee and the warm milk are served in separate pitchers." is in. It looks like, these days, you get two jugs at breakfast in a hotel, but the combined form (often in a glass) in bars. SemperBlotto (talk) 13:34, 13 April 2013 (UTC)

 * Please add your sources to Wiktionary and Wikipedia because even http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caffellatte knows nothing about this form of the beverage, so it seems to have disappeared long before Starbuck was even founded. --Espoo (talk) 18:39, 13 April 2013 (UTC)

Latin diphthongs
Hiya! I hope you don't mind, but I've moved the thread about Latin diphthongs to Wiktionary talk:About Latin, since it's not really a general (multi-language) question but one specific to Latin. Cheers, - -sche (discuss) 05:17, 18 December 2014 (UTC)

aught
That's sort of mentioned in the etymology. Furthermore, aught didn't just mean something else, it met the exact opposite of naught; it means "anything". Tharthan (talk) 21:57, 11 May 2015 (UTC)

luggage
"Luggages" is clearly attested. DTLHS (talk) 15:30, 21 May 2016 (UTC)

That list of hits is truly surprising, but the hits i looked at were apparently all written by non-native speakers and one self-published book with other peculiarities too such as lowercase proper nouns. What's the policy of Wiktionary on attestations like these? Shouldn't such usage be ignored or at least be clearly labeled as non native or regional or rare?

Apparently all dictionaries label this clearly as uncountable. I'm all for non-prescriptivism, but shouldn't we at least explain why we claim the contrary of all other dictionaries on countabiliy here and provide at least one example of this surprising use? --Espoo (talk) 15:58, 21 May 2016 (UTC)

 * I've marked it as nonstandard / obsolete. DTLHS (talk) 16:04, 21 May 2016 (UTC)

"not usually the same thing as a demonstration"
Re : Excuse me but what the heck did that for? --Anatoli T. (обсудить/вклад) 10:05, 21 August 2020 (UTC)

 * What I meant to say in the edit summary is that a rally is not necessarily a demonstration, which is why I fixed the incorrect definition. In English, demonstrations are often called rallies, but some rallies are not demonstrations. There is a difference in meaning.
 * Because I corrected the definition of the word, the translations need to be checked because many languages make this distinction too. There is only one translation listed for many languages, which seems to usually be for the meaning of rally as a synonym of demonstration, so the translation for the other meaning is missing for the languages that make a similar distinction as in English. --Espoo (talk) 14:51, 23 August 2020 (UTC)

kansainvälinen
What did you mean by Special:Diff/62570371? "international" is indeed the correct translation for in many contexts, as can be seen by comparing the definitions given in monolingual dictionaries. The usage notes you added on the other hand seem to imply that it basically never is, as did one of your earlier edit summaries on that page. — surjection ⟨??⟩ 09:16, 21 May 2021 (UTC)

responsible - usage note example sentence source
Dear user "Espoo", greetings from Helsinki! :D I'm referring to your recent edit on the "responsible" Wiktionary page. May I ask, did you write the usage note example sentence ("The powerful Russians who didn't oppose Putin's successful grab for […]") yourself, or did you find this example somewhere? The reason why I'm asking is that I am planning to quote your contribution in an academic publication and I'd like to mention the original source in more detail (rather than merely "Wiktionary contributors"). If you wrote this sentence yourself (kudos in that case!), would you like me to mention your name? I think there's some valuable thinking here behind this usage note. Many thanks. --Tilmanb (talk) 19:14, 22 May 2022 (UTC)

title: User talk:Espoo


text:
kolpakko

Etymology
Borrowed from.

Noun

 * 1) tankard, jug

title: kolpakko


text:
skoramis

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1) A chamber pot.

title: skoramis


text:
Talk:avarice

examples?
I don't understand the difference between the 3 meanings. Examples would be welcome. Kipmaster 13:19, 2 April 2006 (UTC)

 * I'm with you on this. They look all pretty much the same. — V-ball 02:41, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

And this third definition, "one of the seven deadly sins." Surely that's not really a definition at all? Saying that avarice is one of the seven deadly sins is logically quite distinct from defining the term, is it not? —This.

Formatting.
It looks like my changing the quotations from a subheading to part of the definition got reverted. I don't really care, since I think it looks better as a subheading, but it seems that the explanation for reversion was "bad formatting." If you mean bad by looks bad, then I'm with you. If you mean bad as against the rules, then I must be missing something in the ELE. There it looks as if quotations are not a subheading, but part of the definition. Can you explain to me what I'm missing or how you see it? Thanks! — V-ball 02:44, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

 * Quotatiosn were a sub-heading the last time I checked ELE, but it is subject to a tremendous number of subtle POV edits. I agree that the in-definition formatting looks bad.  --Connel MacKenzie T C 08:40, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

 * The ELE is a style guide; not an official set of rules that must-be-followed-or-else. Also, in many cases as Wikipedia has grown, new formatting styles have arisen that have not been incorporated in the ELE, and so the ELE is perpetually out of date. My over-riding personal criterion is clarity. If one formatting has better clrity in terms of layout and readability, then that is the format I will go with, unless someone comes along later with an even better suggestion. --EncycloPetey 04:49, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

German translation is not correct
$$Insert formula here$$ Although 'Geiz' does have an avaricious aspect, it expresses a sort of opposite of the greedy, acquisitively hungry covetousness of avarice. Avarice 'longs to possess (more of) what it craves or feels a lack of' whereas Geiz clings on to/is mean with/won't part with what is already owned (primarily in material terms, but also mental/emotional/spiritual) - parsimony. I would translate Avarice as Gier or Begierde. Can a proper linguist check this out and adjust the article? —This.

Definition(s)
I'm not happy with the current defs, which seem to me to mix several (related) concepts indiscriminately. In French (my native tongue), avarice means the desire to not part with one's wealth, to the point of having it for its own sake, not for serving by being spent. That is, being a cheapskate. To my limited knowledge, this is the only definition. The following descriptions seem to agree with my notion: This one a bit less: --Jerome Potts (talk) 22:37, 8 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Catholic Encyclopedia (1913)/Avarice
 * The Royal Path of Life/Avarice
 * The Canterbury Tales/The Parson's Prologue and Tale (Wikipedia points to a modern version here)
 * Schopenhauer's Human Nature has it that : "Avarice proceeds upon the principle that all pleasure is only negative in its operation and that the happiness which consists of a series of pleasures is a chimaera; that, on the contrary, it is pains which are positive and extremely real. Accordingly, the avaricious man foregoes the former in order that he may be the better preserved from the latter, and thus it is that bear and forbear—sustine et abstine—is his maxim. And because he knows, further, how inexhaustible are the possibilities of misfortune, and how innumerable the paths of danger, he increases the means of avoiding them, in order, if possible, to surround himself with a triple wall of protection. Who, then, can say where precaution against disaster begins to be exaggerated?"
 * Essays (Cowley)/Of Avarice

title: Talk:avarice


text:
nictation

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1) An act or instance of winking or blinking; a wink, a blink.

title: nictation


text:
monoceros

Etymology
From, from.

Noun

 * 1)  A unicorn
 * 2)  A narwhal

Related terms

 * monocerous

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1) A unicorn
 * 2)  ; one-horned.

title: monoceros


text:
Monoceros

Etymology
First recorded by the astronomer Jakob Bartsch in 1624, but possibly created earlier by Petrus Plancius. From.

Proper noun

 * 1)  A winter constellation of the northern sky, said to resemble a unicorn. It lies amid the Milky Way, just east of the constellation Orion.

Translations

 * Finnish: Yksisarvinen
 * French:
 * German:
 * Greek:
 * Irish: Aonbheannach
 * Malay: Kuda Sumbu
 * Polish:
 * Russian: Единорог
 * Spanish: Monoceros
 * Yiddish: איינהאָרן

title: Monoceros


text:
fackeltanz

Etymology
Borrowed from.

Noun

 * 1)  a kind of polonaise, associated with German royal wedding celebrations

title: fackeltanz


text:
apograph

Etymology
From, from , from +.

Noun

 * 1)  A copy or transcript of a manuscript (called the antigraph).

Translations

 * Catalan: apògraf
 * Finnish:
 * Icelandic: fornbréfauppskrift
 * Italian:
 * Portuguese: apógrafo
 * Russian:
 * Spanish:

title: apograph


text:
Ichang lemon

Etymology
Named for the town of Yichang, China.

Noun

 * 1) A slow-growing citrus plant hybrid ( × ), noted for its unusual hardiness, native to East Asia.

title: Ichang lemon


text:
mujik

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1) A Russian (male) peasant.

Translations

 * Armenian:
 * Belarusian: селя́нін, мужы́к, сялю́к
 * Bulgarian:
 * Chinese:
 * Mandarin:
 * Czech:
 * Finnish:
 * French:
 * Georgian: მუჯიკი
 * German:, Mushik
 * Greek:
 * Hungarian:
 * Italian: mužik
 * Japanese: ムジク,
 * Kazakh: мұжық
 * Korean: 무지크,
 * Kyrgyz: мужук
 * Persian: موژیک
 * Polish:
 * Portuguese: mujik, mujique
 * Russian: ,
 * Serbo-Croatian:
 * Cyrillic: му̀жик
 * Roman:
 * Slovak: mužik
 * Spanish:, muzhik
 * Swedish:
 * Tajik: мужик
 * Turkish: Rus köylüsü,
 * Ukrainian:, мужи́к, селю́к
 * Uzbek: ,
 * Vietnamese: mu-gích

Noun

 * 1)  male peasant in Russia

title: mujik


text:
isba

Etymology
.

Noun

 * 1) izba

title: isba


text:
izba

Etymology
Borrowed from.

Noun

 * 1) a Russian log hut

Translations

 * Chuvash: пӳрт
 * Finnish: venäläinen pirtti, venäläinen hirsimökki
 * Ingrian: pertti
 * Old Ruthenian: изба́
 * Russian:
 * Ukrainian:

Etymology
..

Noun

 * 1)  hut; house

Etymology
..

Noun

 * 1)  chamber, room
 * 2)  chamber, house, office
 * 1)  chamber, house, office

Etymology
.

Noun
< *istba

 * 1)  room
 * 2)  hovel

Etymology
. From either or a 🇨🇬 word (compare 🇨🇬).

Noun

 * 1) chamber, room

authors: Гражданская оборона

title: izba


text:
goetic

Adjective

 * 1) Pertaining to black magic or necromancy.

title: goetic


text:
goety

Etymology
, from, from.

Noun

 * 1)  witchcraft, demonic magic, necromancy
 * 2) * August 1935,, , "The Treader of the Dust":
 * The confused and high-piled litter of manuscripts, volumes, notebooks on his writing-table had seemingly lain untouched by anything but his own hand; and his bookshelves, with their bizarre and terrifical array of authorities on diabolism, necromancy, goety, on all the ridiculed or outlawed sciences, were undisturbed and intact.

title: goety


text:
팔

Etymology 1
Compare dialectal forms, , , , and 🇨🇬.

Noun

 * 1) arm

Etymology 2
, from the Middle Korean reading, from.

Numeral

 * 1)  eight

title: 팔


text:
amint

Adverb

 * 1)  as
 * 2) as soon as

title: amint


text:
User talk:Drago

Hi there. I have wikified amint, assuming it is an adverb (you didn't say). Here is our standard welcome. SemperBlotto 16:03, 2 April 2006 (UTC)

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Bot
It appears that you are loading your terms by bot? Is there some reason you're choosing to upload terms completely unformatted? --Connel MacKenzie T C 19:00, 2 April 2006 (UTC)

Hebrew
These words can't possibly be Hebrew - they use the wrong alphabet. Do you mean they are English with Hebrew etymology? Also, you still aren't getting the format right. SemperBlotto 07:12, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

Block
I have blocked you because you do not seem to be editing entirely in good faith, despite warnings and requests on your talk page. In particular, it is generally not appropriate to remove material unless it is incorrect, and it is not appropriate to remove material repeatedly if an administrator reverted your attempts the first time. If you feel material is incorrect, please clearly note why, so that those of us who do not speak Hungarian or Hebrew will understand.

This is a short block, of one day. I encourage you to use the time to read the help, and to look around and see what a properly formatted page looks like.

We would like very much to have terms in Hungarian, but we'd like them within the guidelines of this project. In one day, if you still have questions about what is correct, you may ask in the Beer Parlour or on anybody's talk page that has expressed concern about your entries, including mine. --Dvortygirl 07:23, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

 * I have unblocked you, according to your email. I apologize if the block was in error.  To help us avoid such misunderstandings in the future, please, please format your entries according to our standards in the future, and again, if you are removing material, please make some note in the comment field about why.  Removal of material, unfortunately, is a common sort of vandalism and it tends to attract concern.  You may also wish to contact us through IRC if you have questions.  --Dvortygirl 16:39, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

buta
It can't be Japanese - it uses the wrong script!! SemperBlotto 07:11, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

Hebrew
Hi there! When adding Hebrew entries, can you please make sure that the entries are in Hebrew script and not in Latin one? Thanks. --Dijan 08:22, 4 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Again, can you please not add Hebrew entries in transliterated forms? This is against our policy, unless the word has been absorbed into English (in which case the word should be under English heading).  Please see our transliteration policy.  --Dijan 08:38, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

roba
You have been asked by several people not to add transliterations. We do not do that.

roba has a supposedly Japanese entry that is using the wroong script, and the Italian entry was incorrect and not properly formatted. We accept foreign language entries from people who are fully conversant with that language - so as to minimize errors. Do you really speak all these languages well? (You do not have a Babel entry on your User page). SemperBlotto 13:39, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

Format
Please add the headword under each Part of speech header:

Verb
mer
 * 1) dare

Thanks. — Vildricianus 18:15, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

Format
The headword, within three quotes, goes after the part of speech, not before. Also, this is where we show its gender (if it has one) and the form of the plural. SemperBlotto 18:47, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

Dividing line
There's no need for another dividing line ( ) after the last language. — Vildricianus 16:51, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

mig
You deleted the English definition of mig without asking or telling anyone. Do you know of any reason why you should not be blocked as a vandal? SemperBlotto 13:18, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

Yes, but you didn't create a definition for MiG did you? (I did, and linked to it from mig). SemperBlotto 13:27, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

Article section ordering
Hi! Please don't reorder the article sections. I've tried to follow the standard entry layout and I hope you do the same.--Jyril 09:50, 8 April 2006 (UTC)

corsair
Please don't add words without giving them a definition or translation. SemperBlotto 07:38, 9 April 2006 (UTC)

What languages do you speak?
Please do not add words of languages you are not familiar with. Can you please add your Babel information to your user page? You may add Babel to your page by including (for example) (without the  tags). --Dijan 07:17, 10 April 2006 (UTC)

zahl
Thanks for experimenting with Wiktionary. Your test worked, and has now been removed. Please use Sandbox for any other tests you want to do, since testing material in articles will normally be removed quickly. Please see the welcome page if you would like to learn more about contributing to our dictionary. Thanks. --Rory096 05:03, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

Removing blank lines
Please stop condensing entries by removing blank lines. Every time you do it, I will revert you. If you want your work to remain, stop messing with other people’s work. Also, stop adding at the beginning of pages before English. Everytime you do it, I will revert you. Concentrate on the language(s) that you know, including grammatical information such as gender, and stop messing with formatting and other people’s work. —Stephen 08:56, 19 April 2006 (UTC)

blanking entries
I notice that you have recently blanked out the content of some pages. If they were mistakes, and you want them deleted, add the template then follow the link, and tell us. Please don't just leave empty words. SemperBlotto 08:34, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

 * Please STOP removing or adding Croatian entries. You are obviously not familiar with the language.  --Dijan 05:37, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

Etymology and punctuation
Please do not remove punctuation from entries. Also, If you add an etymology section, please put in the etymology. do not simply say that it has the same etymology as some other word, without telling what that etymology is. --EncycloPetey 09:15, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

Also, please do not enter false etymologies for Dutch words. The Dutch language is not descended from Old High German. Rather, it descennds from a language often called Old Low Franconian, which co-existed with Old High German. Most of the Dutch etymologies you have been entering today are incorrect. --EncycloPetey 09:18, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

German etymology
Hi Drago, it's nice to see someone adding etymologies for foreign words. I've notice that you are often adding Old Saxon in as if it is an ancestor of the German word, but that is rarely the case. Usually German words are direct descendants of Old High German, while Old Saxon turned into Dutch (roughly speaking). So if you include Old Saxon, please label it as a cognate rather than as an etymon. Also, you might like to wikify these words rather than putting them in italics. Thanks! Widsith 12:30, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

Entries from unfamiliar languages
Reminder: please do not enter words from languages you do not know, unless you have extremely strong evidence that you are entering the correct information. My guess is that you do not know Latin. --EncycloPetey 09:57, 21 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Your definition of securus was wrong. You defined securitas by mistake. You seem to be entering words from a wide array of unrelated languages, which implies that you are working from dictionaries rather than personal knowledge of the languages. --EncycloPetey 10:08, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

True: I just copied the translation of German "sicher" without indicating the original meaning of the Latin word.

SECOND REMINDER:  Please do not make up entries for words you do not know in languages you do not know. Nearly every Latin word you have entered for the past two hours will have to be completely redone, as there is either important missing information, or (more importantly) the definitions you provided were wrong. Please restrain yourself to working in languages you can understand, instead of working from sources that may be copyrighted and entering incorrect information. --EncycloPetey 07:01, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

 * Better Latin words with missing info (like f and -ae in the case of obviously feminine nouns ending with an -a, etc.) than no Latin words at all. How come important chunks of the Latin vocab are missing from wictionary?

It's not just that you're leaving out critically importnat information -- The very fact that you don't consider it important shows how little you understand of Latin -- but you are defining words wrong. It would be better to not have an entry for a word that to have dozens or hundreds of incorrect definitions created. --EncycloPetey 07:28, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

Yes, it is always much better to have NO entry than to have a BAD one. And most of yours are bad. SemperBlotto 07:36, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

THIRD REMINDER:  Please do not make up entries for words you do not know in languages you do not know. Your definition for Spanish velar "to remain awake" was incorrect; I had to change it to "to watch, guard, be vigilant". The more often you do this, the more often people will get incoirrect information for Wiktionary, and the more time other users will have to spend cleaning up your many mistakes. --EncycloPetey 09:02, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

Germanic
Careful with reconstructed words please Drago. There has been some discussion recently about whether or not such terms merit inclusion at all – I think the consensus is that they may belong on an appendix. If they do go in they should at least be marked with asterisks (*) to show that they are not attested. If I were you I would steer clear till it has been settled one way or the other. Widsith 15:37, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

I absolutely agree, BUT: IMHO, the etymology of any word of any Germanic language, including English, should not end with something like "cognates include Lithuanian vahuuu and Armenian xxyzw". Some order should be kept. How nice would be: English ... from OE ... from Germanic *... Full stop. If somebody is hot for further data, he or she could jump to Germanic *... and there (and only there) the PIE *root and the other IE cognates would be shown. What about that?

 * Well, I agree partially. I don't think cognates should be disposed of altogether; they are of interest in and of themselves.  Maybe Proto-Germanic words will be linked one day, but the major problem is that there is still a lot of disagreement over exactly what form they took.  Widsith 17:44, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

Esperanto
Just a quick note on your current Esperanto entries. I've found a couple where the Noun section is level two. This section should be level 3 thus: ===Noun===. Same goes for Verb, Adjective, etc. Thanks. — Hippietrail 17:38, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

Format
Drago,

Please consider using the following accepted Wiktionary formatting rules for your entries:

 * Use the so-called Webster templates for the names of languages in etymologies.
 * Italicise etymons in etymologies.
 * Where appropriate, provide the plural, gender and/or inflections of the word being translated.
 * Add "to" to infinitives (eg, translate Italian "avere" as "to have" rather than just "have").

These are not essential, and others could of course make these changes. Seeing however that you are creating so many entries, it would be helpful if you could do this as you go along rather than others having to try to keep up with you. — Paul G 10:07, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

Quechuan? Slovene?
There is a silent tug-of-war between me and someone on whether the Quechua language is Quechua or Quechuan, and whether the Slovenian language is Slovenian or Slovene. Of course, I do not want to force my opinion on anyone, but please visit the homepage of the United Nations at

www.unhchr.ch/udhr

and between Q'echi and Rarotongan you will find Quechua (and NOT Quechuan), and between Slovak and Solomon Pidgin you will find Slovenian (and NOT Slovene). As for me, the "debate" is hereby settled. Drago.

Not so dubious
Hey Drago, I'm wondering where you're getting the words you add from. There seems to be little logic in the additions. --Newnoise 14:55, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

You mean the sources? The sources are various dictionaries. Drago.
 * How many dictionaries do you have? You must have a pretty large bookshelf. --Newnoise (Shout louder) 15:55, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

I have dictionaries in 156 different languages. In addition, I have etymological dictionaries for 17 different languages or language groups. There is still place for more. Drago.
 * Do your French dictionaries have the gender in them? --Newnoise (Shout louder) 16:01, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

May I assume this is a fine hint at my weakness not to indicate the gender of nouns? Drago.

Croatian entries
Please, I have asked you earlier not to add Croatian entries if you are not familiar with the language. Entries such as medved and lekar are NOT Croatian. They are in Serbian. This is because those words are written in Ekavian subdialect of Serbo-Croatian. Ekavian is only found in Serbian, not Croatian. Therefore, please do not add anymore Croatian entries which you are not familiar with. You will be blocked if you continue doing this. --Dijan 07:38, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

OK. What happened with my Slovenian entries? Drago

 * Thank you for changing that entry. I'm sorry about your Slovenian entries.  I think someone else deleted those.  Like mentioned earlier by many on your talk page, you must follow certain rules and standards in order to continue adding entries here.  Someone must have been really pissed off at you and has deleted your Slovenian entries (just like with your Croatian entries, that person must have thought that you were not adding Slovenian entries correctly).  We all understand that you add many entries here and is why we do not want to block you.  Please, follow the rules specified and make sure you are adding correct entries.  Also, make sure you only add words for languages that you're very familiar with.  Users should normally only add entries of language with which they are very familiar with.  Please specify on your user page, which language you speak or are very familiar with and try to stick with those languages only.  Try not to only copy words from dictionaries (especially copyrighted sources) because as with your Croatian entries, there can be flaws or some type of misunderstanding.  --Dijan 07:51, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

OK. Next time I go to Zagreb I promise to ask for mlijeko and will not even think about asking for mleko. Drago.

 * Thank you for correcting your entries. You will definitely find "mlijeko" in Croatia (and Bosnia), while "mleko" can only be found in Serbia.  :)

 * By the way, in Slovenian (if you're familiar with it), is the word spelled "snég" or "sneg"? This is probably why your earlier entries were deleted.  If you are specifying stress, then that should be noted in parentheses next to "sneg".  However, if the word is actually spelled "snég" then it should be on a page of its own.  --Dijan 08:22, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

In Slovenian the words are spelled without the diacritical marks. I just added the latter to show the correct pronunciation. Drago.

choose
Hi Drago, you changed choose - well: auswählen in German was correct, and you just had to add wählen, but why did you add wahlen that is plain wrong? I am wondering ... and why did you change Dutch? Do you know all these languages or do you just import stuff from somewhere else? Wondering .... a lot .... please let us know. Ciao! --SabineCretella 18:16, 13 May 2006 (UTC) Dear Sabine. True, I forgot the Umlaut, thanks for the warning. As for Dutch, kiezen seems to be more basic than verkiezen, which is, of course, also correct. I also wonder why choose (=elect) means eleggere now, instead of only (or also) scegliere. See the formal phrase in English He elected to be a doctor. I am sorry to say, the present state of the article choose is a mess now. It was much better before. Drago.

conjection
Do you mean conjunction? SemperBlotto 16:21, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

Old English
We do not enter OE words with diacritical marks here: that is not how they were written. The macrons are just modern additions for student textbooks etc. You only use them within the article, not in the page name itself. See ġēardagas, among hundreds of other examples. Widsith 11:41, 15 May 2006 (UTC) Thanks, I will return them where they belong. Drago

+ni vagy E/3
Üdvözlet, honfitárs,

Most a magyak igéknek a főnévi igenévi formájukban kéne itt lenniük vagy E/3 személyű alakban? A land cikknél pl a magyar fordítás úgy van megadva, hogy leszállni, landolni. Azonban sok más helyen az igék az E/3 formában vannak. Szerinted? - TopAce 14:27, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

Üdv Neked is! Szerintem a -ni felesleges, a szótári alak mindig az egyes szám 3. személyű alak, azzal a fenntartással, hogy ott nem írjuk oda az angol "to" elöljárószót. Tehát leszáll = land. Drago.

before any language
Hi Drago. I notice you've added a between the disambiguation see also and the first entry on rama. This is counter to our current formatting practices. If you think this looks better, please start a topic on the Beer parlour. We can probably come up with a CSS solution that you can use, or if everybody likes your idea it could become the standard. For now though I recommend you don't do it but rather talk about it. — Hippietrail 19:57, 23 May 2006 (UTC) OK I'll avoid after See also in the future. Drago

No translations?
What's with the entries with no translations, such as deget? Are we supposed to guess from the etymology what this means? Please include an English translation in any foreign-language entries you create. Thanks. — Paul G 11:29, 25 May 2006 (UTC) Thanks: Were there other omissions? Pse warn me. Drago

 * There was another one, but I can't find it now. You'll have to check for any others yourself. — Paul G 11:48, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

Etymologies
Hi Drago. I'm just interested: where do you get your etymological information from? --Dijan 07:02, 2 June 2006 (UTC) Hello Dijan. It depends. Could you be more specific? Drago
 * Well, I'm just interested in the Slavic etymologies and the Slavic-Hungarian connections that you often mention in etymology sections. Are they listed in the dictionaries that you use?  Can you give me some of the titles of the books that you use or the websites that you use?  --Dijan 07:15, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

Chiefly Vasmer's "Etimologičeskij slovar' russkogo jazyka", in 4 vols. and "A magyar nyelv történeti-etimológiai szótára" (Historical-etym. dict. of the Hungarian language), in 4 vols. Drago
 * Thanks. --Dijan 07:22, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

deletion without comment
Hi Drago, I'm sorry to have reverted your changes at wheel. I'm sure you must have had reason to make the deletions, but without comments it's difficult to judge whether the action was appropriate. In general please comment your edits or add to the talk page whenever you remove information. Thanks! Davilla 14:13, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

 * My reasons were: (1) As a general rule, Greek and Sanskrit should not be in Latin script. (2) Chuvash is a Turkic language: explanation is missing why would a Turkic language use an Indo-European word for 'sun'. (Wheel > Sun relationship semantically also questionable.). Linguistically the only way is through Tocharian, but no indication was made here. So Chuvash - as it is now - should IMHO be deleted as pure speculation. Drago

 * Okay thanks, I'll make the changes above and comment that these are speculative etc. Davilla 16:31, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

One more thing: the Chuvash live in Russia, where the rule is to use Cyrillic in writing. As far as I know, Chuvash has never been written using the Latin script. Drago

ð and þ
Hi Drago. To standardise entries, please use þ rather than ð in Old English entries. See About Old English for more details. Widsith 07:59, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

OE verbs
Slow down! There is no need to have verbs filed under Category:Old English verbs twice! All verbs are already in one of the specific weak/strong/irregular categories, and that is enough! Unnecessary categorisation just clutters up the page. Nor is it helpful. Widsith 08:21, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

Could you tell me the reason why there are so many categorizations and sub-categorizations? What is the purpose? Are there people who start to look for words in any language under e.g. "xxx parallaxis-throwing verbs"? Why not construct a nice dictionary under "xxx language dictionary"? Drago

 * Several reasons. Categories with over 200 entries are frowned upon.  On my toolserver page you'll find a better way to get at individual languages (counted as of the most recent XML dump): here.  --Connel MacKenzie T C 01:18, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

 * General full-language indexes are found in the "Index:" (Or currently "Wiktionary Index:") pseudo-namespace. --Connel MacKenzie T C 01:20, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

stub entries
What are you doing with those crazy OE entries? "See foo...]" is not an entry, it is not a proper redirect either. What now? --Connel MacKenzie T C 19:12, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Use #REDIRECT article instead of using "See article". Sceptre 21:29, 17 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Even better - use

==language== ===part of speech=== headword SemperBlotto 21:31, 17 June 2006 (UTC)
 * 1) alternative spelling of whatever

OE entries
Please, for the twentieth time, don't enter words in languages you aren't familiar with. blētsunġ is not a valid word in Old English; it's nonsense. ġ is used to indicate palatalisation, which never happens after an n. We don't use it for page titles anyway. Widsith 19:17, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

blétsung does exist. It is the right word for blessing, benediction. Pse check again. Drago

Yes, but the final letter is a g and would not be spelled as ġ, which is used to indicate palatalisation. See About Old English. Widsith 21:50, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

plésen
Stop blanking entries! --Connel MacKenzie T C 01:27, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

Etymology
As per WT:ELE, the etymology of a word is more important that the meanings. If there are multiple etymologies, the Part-of-speech headings must be arrnged at a deeper level. The etymology needs to never be listed as a sub-heading to a part-of-speech heading. (Disclaimer: my opinion on the matter is the opposite.)

For peace and harmony in the Realm, I follow the ELE. I suggest you do to. --Connel MacKenzie T C 05:22, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the warning. I'll do my best. Drago

Sequence
Etymology section comes before pronunciation section. Thanks. --Connel MacKenzie T C 20:37, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

New categories
Hi Drago, in the future when you make new catgories, such as Category:Latvian adverbs, can you add categories to the categories. Category:Latvian adverbs belongs in Category:Latvian language and in Category:Adverbs. Categories that are not linked anywhere (orphaned categories) are not particularly useful. Thanks. --Dangherous 14:34, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

scatola etc
If you use the Italian noun templates, you get the gender, plural, and category for free. SemperBlotto 10:18, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

rocca
This doesn't mean rock in Italian. Perhaps you are thinking of roccia? SemperBlotto 16:20, 27 June 2006 (UTC) True, it is only used in expressions like 'cristallo di rocca' (a variety of quartz) and 'allume di rocca' (a sulfate). Drago

Don't remove definitions
You completely removed the adjective header as well as the Swedish definition for kitsch without any explanation. Please be more careful when editing.

Peter Isotalo 11:28, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

Sorry, it was not deliberate. Drago

ġ
Once again, please note that ġ indicates palatalisation, in other words a /j/ sound. It is not appropriate for bugan, where the g is some kind of velar fricative. Widsith 18:09, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

your change of the etymology of "andare"
That andare (with all its conjugations) is a suppletion of vadere and an other verb is so obvious, it doesn't have to be explained. That is why I put this back in (was before you changed it). Browsing through various dictionaries, I found little support for the "ambitare" hypothesis. Most support I found for the development "aditare" -> "anditare" -> "and'tare" -> "andare". The hypothesis "ambulare" -> "andare" (from earlier versions of the page) makes little sense. It it often quoted as the origin of French "aller" (hypothetical shortening "allare" of "ambulare"). But this is contested as well. I maintain my opinion that the etymon of 'andare' is *"ambtare" < "ambitare". If the etymon is *"adtare", the Italian word would be *'attare' and not 'andare'. Drago - True, *"ad'tare" would have become "attare", but not "and'tare" where assimilation of "t" yields "andare". Are Latin words frequently end up nasalized (like aditare < *anditare) in Italian? I could not find any examples. Drago. - e.g. "reddere" -> "rendere". Must have happened in late Latin already because you have the same shift in French. OK, I'm convinced. Drago.

Hi Drago
I need a Hungarian word. An IP user wrote in the German WT that the Hungarian word for "to fuck" is basz (3sg)/baszni (INF). Is that right? (As you might think, the page is protected, so s/he wrote it on the talk page and we have to check now.) Why you don't contribute to German WT, too? We need more authors. Greetings, --Thogo (talk) 22:03, 8 July 2006 (UTC) The correct form of the verb is "baszik". Drago

Thank you. :o) --Thogo (talk) 18:03, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

New categories
Hi Drago, may I repeat what I said above: When you create a new category, such as Category:Miskito language, can you put that new category into another category (normally Category:All languages). This keeps all language categories together, and it is quite useful so the new category doesn't get "lost". Thanks. --Dangherous 14:05, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

I tried hard - but did not succeed. I will try again. Thanks: Drago

Funny Wiki
This isn't spam. Do want to join The New Funny Wiki? If not I understand. Just I want more users. So, get back to me. LOST fan 13:47, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

I've been looking at a few of your Swedish (and one or two Danish) words...
and I must say I wonder where you found those translations. I don't say all are bad, but that some of your definitions are only remotely connected to the word in question. I've collected the following diff's during tonight's cleanup (I've checked the last 500 of your edits for anything resembling Swedish):
 * kaj:
 * fora:
 * fordon:
 * filmjölk:
 * gård: (About the Danish sense)
 * går: I had to rfv it because I cannot find any such Danish noun so as to rescue te entry - actually the only case my little dictionary finds at all is within the adverb i går - though *that* means "yesterday", as you claim the word "går" does.

You see the corrections I've done.

And one or two other where the I had to add some kind of disambiguation to tell which of the subsenses of the English word was referred to. I would be glad if you don't try to create Swedish entries by reading some dictionary you don't quite understand - at least by reading your contributions I'm sorry to say that I get the very strong impression that that's what you're doing - or possibly trying to retranslate things in two or three steps. That introduces a bit too much of semantic drift to alllow useful translations. \Mike 19:47, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

Pse note that yesterday can also be a noun. What happened with the etymology of FORDON? Drago.

 * I can only agree with Mike, the type of entries you are adding introduces errors that will be extremely hard to catch. It has become mine (and I think many many other's) habit to check whatever you enter because the likelihood that it will be wrong is so great. I can see and catch your mistakes in Swedish, but not in many of the other languages you enter words from, though if your Swedish contributions are any judge they will be equally error prone. Frankly, I would rather spend my time more constructively than playing house maid to you, and I am sure I am not the only one who feels that way. Please refrain entirely from adding entries in languages you do not understand.
 * Yes, yesterday in English can be a noun, but i går in Swedish cannot be a noun, the corresponding noun in Swedish is gårdag. I do not speak fluent Danish, but somehow I guess that it will be closer to Swedish than English. However, neither me nor Mike were certain, which is why it is not deleted but marked RfV.
 * As for what happened with the etymology of fordon, please consult the edit comment for the edit when it disappeared.--sanna 20:12, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

Icelandic words
Hello Drago, please be careful with the icelandic words You submit, I have already found several errors. Please be so kind, if You don't speak or learn this language to at least look at this before adding a translation. Thank You. Best regards --birdy (:> )= 14:28, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

Be careful with Breton

 * Hi Drago, I had a look on the Breton words you add in the dictionary. Thanks for caring about our language. Unfortunately I am afraid you are working with a dictionary written in an old spelling which is not in use anymore. Please be careful with the etymology you give as well. Most of the words you marked as from old French actually come from Latin. Thanks you in advance. Fulup 21:13, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

quartz and Quarz
How did you link Quarz and dwarf?! Lysdexia 05:13, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

 * You just have to ignore Drago’s statements and fix them. He isn’t around anymore and his work was very unreliable. —Stephen 22:17, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

loft
Frisian left is lofts, not loft. You're right about the definition of air, however I will clarify it a little further as there are two words for air in Frisian, lucht and loft.

doden, töten
Would it be safe to add the etymology of töten to doden? Thanks Mallerd 15:16, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

 * Drago is no long active here and his entries contain numerous errors. Modern Dutch and German do not share Old High German as a common ancestor, so you cannot use that etymology for Dutch. This would be better:, *dawjanan < . —Stephen 15:47, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

I see. Thank you, Stephen Mallerd 17:14, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

här
Hello,

I've changed the part-of-speech of här to 'adverb'. Where you got the idea it that it might be a pronoun from I don't know. - 79.148.74.153 08:11, 2 April 2009 (UTC)

-gietan/gietan
I was under the impression that * was unattested. An anon has changed it. He may be knowledgeable: his contributions don't seem stupid, but I am not the one to judge. DCDuring TALK 21:13, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

 * User:Drago has been absent for years. He relied on questionable sources and his edits were riddled with errors, so whenever another editor disputes one of them, I would assume that Drago was mistaken once again. —Stephen 11:45, 7 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I tried Widsith first. Drago's entry was also agreed with the OnlineEtyDictionary's entry for "get". DCDuring TALK 13:53, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

RFC discussion: July 2010
I'm currently working on converting the redirects in this list into full entries, or deleting them. Almost the entire contents of Todo/Redirects with macrons were created by Drago. Mglovesfun (talk) 09:06, 20 July 2010 (UTC)

 * Also, many of his definitions and translations are just plain wrong - they all need to be checked! SemperBlotto 10:39, 20 July 2010 (UTC)

RFC discussion: June 2012

 * See Talk:give.

title: User talk:Drago


text:
Padishah

Etymology
Borrowed from, from /.

Noun

 * 1)  A ruler of a Muslim country or state.

Translations

 * Albanian:
 * Arabic: بَادْشَاه, بَادِيشَاه
 * Azerbaijani: padşah
 * Bashkir: батша, падишаһ
 * Belarusian: падзіша́х, падыша́г
 * Bengali:
 * Bulgarian:
 * Catalan: padixah
 * Chinese:
 * Mandarin: 帕迪沙 ,
 * Chuvash: патша
 * Crimean Tatar: padişa
 * Czech: pádišáh, padišáh
 * Dutch:
 * Esperanto: padiŝaho
 * Finnish: padišah
 * French:
 * German: Padischah
 * Greek:
 * Gujarati: બાદશાહ, પાતશાહ
 * Hindi: ,
 * Hungarian:
 * Ido:
 * Italian: padiscià
 * Japanese: パーディシャー
 * Kazakh: патша, падишаһ
 * Korean: 파디샤
 * Kumyk: падишагь
 * Kurdish:
 * Northern Kurdish:
 * Kyrgyz:
 * Latvian:
 * Malay: padisyah
 * Ottoman Turkish: پادشاه
 * Pashto: پادشا
 * Persian: ,
 * Polish: padyszach
 * Portuguese: padixá
 * Romanian:
 * Russian:
 * Serbo-Croatian:
 * Cyrillic: па̀дишах
 * Roman:
 * Slovene: padišah
 * Spanish: padishá
 * Tajik: подишоҳ, подшоҳ
 * Tatar:, падишаһ
 * Telugu:
 * Turkish:
 * Turkmen: patyşa
 * Ukrainian: падиша́х
 * Urdu:
 * Uyghur: پادىشا
 * Uzbek:
 * Zazaki: padişah

title: Padishah


text:
loanshark

Verb

 * 1) To commit usury (to loan money at excessive rate of interest), especially if collecting under threat of violence.

Translations

 * Bengali:
 * Finnish:
 * Hungarian:

title: loanshark


text:
Crawford

Etymology
From +.

Proper noun

 * 1)  derived from several different place names.
 * 2) An earldom in the peerage of Scotland.

Translations

 * Japanese: クロウフォード

title: Crawford