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capitalist realism

Etymology
Possibly coined in 1963 when it was used as the title of an art exhibition/performance in Düsseldorf, alluding to. The term was later reused in a political philosophy context by cultural theorist.

Noun

 * 1)  A short-lived German pop art movement of the 1960s.
 * 2)  An ideological framework for viewing capitalism and its effects on politics, economics, and public thought.
 * 1)  An ideological framework for viewing capitalism and its effects on politics, economics, and public thought.
 * 1)  An ideological framework for viewing capitalism and its effects on politics, economics, and public thought.
 * 1)  An ideological framework for viewing capitalism and its effects on politics, economics, and public thought.

title: capitalist realism


text:
Chinese Wall

Etymology
The expression Chinese Wall comes from the Great Wall of China and became a metaphor of barriers, known to go back to the United States stock market crash of 1929. The U.S. government saw the need to maintain separation (or an information barrier) between investment bankers and brokerage firms, to limit the conflict of interest between the two. The first use of Chinese Wall in the general context of keeping confidentiality is unclear.

Noun

 * 1)  An information barrier within an organization, designed to ensure internal confidentiality; frequently used to prevent conflicts of interest.
 * 2) * 1988. Peat, Marwick, Mitchell & Co. v.Superior Court 200, Cal.App.3d 272, 293-294, 245 Cal.Rptr. 873, 887-888:
 * I concur in the opinion of Justice Haning, but write separately to comment on the apparently widespread use of the term "Chinese Wall" to describe the type of screening mechanism discussed in this case. While our opinion uses the term "screen," both the parties and the trial court used the term "Chinese Wall," which seems to have become a term of art. I write to express my profound objection to the use of this phrase in this context.
 * 1) * 1980. The Chinese Wall Defense to Law Firm Disqualification 128 U.Pa.L.Rev. 677:
 * The enthusiasm for handy phrases of verbal shorthand is understandable. Occasionally, however, lawyers and judges use a term which is singularly inappropriate. "Chinese Wall" is one such piece of legal flotsam which should be emphatically abandoned. The term has an ethnic focus which many would consider a subtle form of linguistic discrimination. Certainly, the continued use of the term would be insensitive to the ethnic identity of the many persons of Chinese descent.
 * The enthusiasm for handy phrases of verbal shorthand is understandable. Occasionally, however, lawyers and judges use a term which is singularly inappropriate. "Chinese Wall" is one such piece of legal flotsam which should be emphatically abandoned. The term has an ethnic focus which many would consider a subtle form of linguistic discrimination. Certainly, the continued use of the term would be insensitive to the ethnic identity of the many persons of Chinese descent.

Usage notes
Often considered pejorative. However, it remains a technical term in relatively common use in financial and legal discourse.

Translations

 * Finnish:

license: Creative Commons - Attribution Share-Alike - https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/4.0/

title: Chinese Wall


text:
chronic cellular dehydration

Noun

 * 1)  The condition of individual cells in a patient suffering from chronic dehydration.

title: chronic cellular dehydration


text:
dish bitch

Noun

 * 1)  An employee of a restaurant who washes dishware, typically a minimum wage position where workers are not well-treated.
 * 2)  A reporter who appears using a satellite connection, and must therefore be close to their satellite dish.
 * 1)  A reporter who appears using a satellite connection, and must therefore be close to their satellite dish.

title: dish bitch


text:
disturbance regime

Noun

 * 1)  Any of various modes of widespread floral replacement, e.g., flood, fire, disease or wind.

title: disturbance regime


text:
Empty Quiver

Noun

 * 1)  The seizure, theft, or loss of a nuclear weapon.

title: Empty Quiver


text: Faded Giant

title: Faded Giant


text:
Appendix:Glossary of scuba diving

Here is a glossary of scuba diving terms:

A-F

 * AGE : arterial gas embolism is a condition that can be caused by a diving accident in which a gas expands due to too rapid ascent, and a bubble and blocks the arterial flow of blood.
 * altitude diving : diving at a location where the water surface is 2000 feet above sea level or higher, and which requires special dive tables or dive computers to calculate allowed depths and times for safety.
 * anoxia : absence of oxygen caused by inhaling a breathing gas that contains no oxygen or being unable to inhale any breathing gas.
 * aqua-lung : underwater breathing equipment consisting of a diving cylinder and diving regulator.
 * barotrauma : injury caused by pressure.
 * beach master or dive marshal : A person on the beach who records when divers enter and exit the water. Typically used during scuba classes to keep track of the students, watch the gear, provide assistance when required.
 * bounce dive : In commercial diving, bounce diving is the alternative to saturation diving. In recreational diving, a bounce dive is a descent to maximum depth and then an ascent back to the surface with the least delay, in a dive profile resembling a spike.
 * buddy breathing : Two divers sharing the same demand valve, generally after an out-of-gas emergency
 * buddy system : Pair or sometimes threesome of divers that dive together as a team for safety.
 * buoyancy compensator or BCD, or BC : diving equipment worn by divers to provide life-saving emergency buoyancy and the ability to control ascent and descent rates.
 * C-card or certification card : proof of completed diver training and evidence of experience.
 * carbon monoxide poisoning: usually due to compressor maintenance errors.
 * carbon dioxide poisoning: is due to incomplete elimination of carbon dioxide.
 * compressor : a machine used to increase the volume of usable air in a diving cylinder by raising its pressure.
 * controlled buoyant lift: a diver rescue technique.
 * decompression sickness: a potentially lethal diving disorder caused by bubbles of inert gases, such as nitrogen or helium, coming out of solution and becoming trapped in the tissues, organs and blood vessels of the body causing symptoms ranging from rashes to death. Also commonly referred to as DCS, or DCI Decompression Illness
 * decompression stop : a pause during the ascent phase of the dive to allow safe release of inert gases from the tissues of the body and avoid decompression sickness.
 * decompression tables: Printed tables that provide divers with a way of avoiding Decompression Sickness by giving the maximum times that can be spent at depth, and by indicating the Decompression Stops and Surface Intervals needed for a particular depth and time profile to be carried out safely.
 * decompression buoy : a small buoy on a line that divers inflate underwater to indicate their location to their boat.
 * dive club : a group of people with an interest in SCUBA diving.
 * dive flag : Flag used by a boat to indicate that it has 'divers down'. Comes in two versions: the international marine (international code letter flag 'A', and the red and white flag (red with white diagonal.
 * dive profile : a two dimensional representation of the two most important characteristics of the dive that a diver must monitor to dive safely: depth and time. The profile is often used when describing a dive's likely decompression obligation.
 * dive shop : supplier of diving equipment or training, or organizer of dive expeditions.
 * dive tables : see Decompression tables.
 * divemaster : A professional level diver who leads a group of less experienced divers underwater.
 * drift diving : diving in a current.
 * drowning : death caused by inability to inhale anything but water.
 * dry suit : a diving suit designed to thermally insulate and provide protection to the skin of the diver.
 * dysbarism : medical conditions resulting from changes in ambient pressure.
 * electro-galvanic fuel cell : an electrical device used to measure the concentration of oxygen gas in diving equipment.
 * equivalent air depth : a way of expressing the narcotic effect of breathing gas mixtures that contain nitrogen, for example nitrox and trimix.
 * frogman : A scuba diver, particularly a military diver on an undercover mission.

G-L

 * gas blending : filling diving cylinders with gas mixes such as nitrox or trimix.
 * gas embolism : a potentially lethal diving disorder caused by air or other gas bubbles entering the blood stream through wounds.
 * hard hat diving : surface supplied diving, generally in professional diving, either wearing a modern diving helmet or the old-style standard diving dress and brass helmet.
 * heliox : a gas blend of helium and oxygen in which helium replaces the normal nitrogen in air allowing diving at greater depths than can be done with air.
 * HPNS : High Pressure Nervous Syndrome or Helium Tremors - caused by using breathing gases that contain helium at depth.
 * hypercapnia : carbon dioxide poisoning generally caused by rebreathing your own exhaled carbon dioxide. A big problem at depth especially with rebreathers or high rates of exertion.
 * hyperventilation : either a deliberate and dangerous method intended to extend the duration of a free dive or the body's response to hypercapnia.
 * hypoxia : insufficient oxygen in the body - normally caused by inhaling a breathing gas that contains insufficient oxygen to support normal activities or consciousness.
 * hypothermia : a potentially lethal medical condition caused by cooling the body.
 * interstitial emphysema : gas trapped in the chest after lung barotrauma.
 * J-valve : An early yoke style scuba tank valve that had a lever which activated a reserve pressure release and was commonly used before the submersible pressure gauge was available.
 * K-valve : A standard yoke style valve without a reserve lever.
 * kayak diving : an alternative to boat diving or shore diving where the diver uses a special purpose kayak to get to site.
 * log book : List of the dives a diver has recorded for proof of experience.

M-R

 * maximum operating depth : the depth at which the partial pressure of oxygen (ppO2) of a gas mix exceeds a safe limit.
 * navy SEAL : A US Navy trained military diver.
 * night diving : a dive at night - many underwater animals are nocturnal or behave differently at night.
 * nitrogen narcosis : condition caused by breathing nitrogen at high pressure (at depth).
 * Nitrox : a breathing gas consisting of oxygen and nitrogen
 * oxygen toxicity : is caused by using breathing gases that contain oxygen at high pressure (at depth).
 * partial pressure of a gas : the concentration of individual component gases of breathing gases.
 * pneumothorax : collapsed lung.
 * professional diving : diving for payment.
 * rebreather : breathing equipment that captures, cleanses and re-oxygenates exhaled breath so that it can be re-inhaled.
 * recompression chamber : a pressure vessel used to treat divers suffering from certain diving disorders such as decompression sickness.
 * recreational diving : a type of diving that uses SCUBA equipment for the purpose of leisure and enjoyment.

S-Z

 * salt water aspiration syndrome : the diver inhales a mist of sea water from a fault demand valve causing a reaction in the lungs.
 * saturation diving : a decompression regime used in commercial diving that allows divers to live work for weeks at a time where their tissues become saturated in high pressure gas.
 * secondary drowning : can occur hours after a near drowning.
 * semi-dry suit : a wet suit with wrist and ankle seals to reduce entry and exit of water.
 * shore diving : Scuba diving that starts from the shore line.
 * skin : a Lycra suit worn by a diver in warm water or under a wet suit.
 * solo diving : diving alone - an alternative to the buddy system.
 * standard diving dress : old-fashioned "hard hat" diving gear.
 * subcutaneous emphysema : gas under the skin tissue.
 * submersible pressure gauge or SPG : Gauge attached to the regulator and used to monitor pressure remaining in the scuba cylinder.
 * surface detection aids : equipment, such as flags, SMBs, flares, EPIRBs and whistles, carried by divers to maintain contact with dive boats or attract rescue when lost at sea.
 * surface interval : the time between dives. Divers need to track this time interval for planning decompression for the next dive.
 * surface marker buoy, SMB : a small inflated buoy that divers tow when underwater on drift dives to indicate their location to their boat.
 * technical diving : a form of SCUBA diving that exceeds the scope of recreational diving allowing deeper and longer dives.
 * time to fly : Divers must wait approx. 24 hours after the last dive before flying to reduce the risk of decompression sickness.
 * trimix : a breathing gas consisting of oxygen, helium and nitrogen.
 * wall diving : diving along the face of a vertical wall - requires good buoyancy control because there is no seabed to prevent the diver descending too deep.
 * wet suit : A tightly fitting neoprene thermally-insulating diving suit that allows a limited volume of water inside the suit.
 * wreck diving : diving on shipwrecks.

title: Appendix:Glossary of scuba diving


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User talk:Arael

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Suggested changes for English wiktionary

 * More definitions from Webster's unabridged dictionary (public domain)
 * IPA pronunciation
 * 20000 English .ogg files made with TTS
 * More images from commons
 * Entries to validate from wikipedia interlanguage links

IPA
Arael,

Have a look at this page. It gives the IPA symbols for all the sounds in English. Let me know if you have any questions. — Paul G 07:39, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

IRC Chat - Arael and Connel

 * The following is an IRC "private" chat between IRC nick "Connel" and "Arael", reposted here with permission of both parties. WMF guidelines specify that no wikimedia channels should not be publicly logged.  Reposting of excerpts is permitted if permission is granted from all parties.  --Connel MacKenzie 16:56, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

 * 17:28:50: Good morning
 * 17:29:00: Good evening ;-)
 * 17:29:04: :-)
 * 17:29:27: I verified that I got them, and listened to most of the Zs
 * 17:29:34: I am quite impressed by most of them
 * 17:30:05: I can create even more in few hours if you want - but we have the most normal words covered by the 20K
 * 17:30:19: Have you uploaded the first three onto Commons: yet?
 * 17:30:44: I'd like to know precisely the format I should use before starting the mass-upload.
 * 17:31:14: Nope it would be cool to upload the zip file and let the server guys unpack it on the server.
 * 17:31:40: That is, whatever license and comments you use, I'll copy, and append "Uploaded by User:Connel MacKenzie by bot, on behalf of User:Arael."
 * 17:31:52: Well, I seem to be taking on that role.
 * 17:32:04: Yes of course - we just need to get them online ASAP so users can use the files.
 * 17:32:18: ... when we have them ready and waiting ;-)
 * 17:32:23: I don't think there is any critically urgent rush.
 * 17:32:35: You know the proverb right?
 * 17:32:48: * Connel blinks *
 * 17:33:01: No, I'm not up on Czech proverbs...
 * 17:33:06: What can you postpone on the day after tomorrow do not postpone on tomorrow - you will gain two days of free time :-))))
 * 17:33:33: heh
 * 17:33:55: Well, I'm not procrastinating; I'm trying to allow reasonable time for review of the idea by interested parties.
 * 17:34:09: Unfortunately, right now, that seems to be limited to you and me. :-)
 * 17:34:35: The way I see this proceeding is something like this:
 * 17:34:48: So what do you suggest? Ask wiki commons pump guys again how to upload the files easily?
 * 17:35:10: 1) You upload three to ten individual sound files and link them to entries on en.wiktionary.org
 * 17:35:31: 2) Comment on them in WT:GP and then WT:BP the next day
 * 17:35:43: I am wiki newbie so I know only few about how wiki works but in the real world it is possible to upload the zip file then launch unzip on the server and voila ;-)
 * 17:35:46: 3) Work out whatever licensing kinks arise
 * 17:36:12: 4) Let my bot start uploading the first 100
 * 17:36:22: I would like to have the .ogg files free so everyone could use them - I guess public domain is the right licence.
 * 17:36:28: 5) Wait another two to seven days for comments
 * 17:36:42: 6) I fire off the bot to upload the rest
 * 17:36:49: Oki - I am on the IPA right now.
 * 17:36:52: 7) TheDave fires off his bot to link them
 * 17:37:13: so,
 * 17:37:28: I'm not sure what your IPA task involves.
 * 17:37:43: Are you manually entering 20,000 IPA transcriptions?
 * 17:37:57: We just need to find a way that is really simple so we do not have to assign things *manually* - I have created all those .ogg files in few hours by launching a *single* command ;-)
 * 17:38:27: Nope I am creating translation table for a file which has some 120,000 IPA transcriptions - all normal English words covered.
 * 17:38:40: Well, that was the simple step. But making sure we don't piss someone off with the uploads is important too.
 * 17:38:49: whoa
 * 17:38:54: where'd you get that file?
 * 17:39:06: Is it public domain? GPL?  GFDL?
 * 17:39:20: I got it from Moby. Let me find a link.
 * 17:39:56: The file is here http://www.dcs.shef.ac.uk/research/ilash/Moby/mpron.html
 * 17:40:01: Thanks.
 * 17:40:08: I'll investigate that
 * 17:40:16: Sorry I was wrong the file has 175K entries ;-)
 * 17:40:21: Do you mind if I post this conversation on my talk page?
 * 17:40:27: What is a talk page?
 * 17:40:46: http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/User_talk:Connel_MacKenzie
 * 17:41:22: Oki some guys might get new ideas when they read our chat ;-)
 * 17:41:41: It isn't a race.
 * 17:42:03: The thing is, many others will have insightful input to offer.
 * 17:42:14: I can also add thousands of Czech entries into wiktionary if I would have wiktionary like: dog - definiton of dog - Hund - chien
 * 17:42:16: The signal to noise ratio there is very high.
 * 17:42:30: Czech? ABSOLUTELY.
 * 17:42:47: I am Czech guy Czech is piece of cake for me.
 * 17:43:20: The thing is there are files on the net which will help us do it. Some guy released LARGE FREE Czech dicts ;-)
 * 17:44:09: When I run a program I can create relations with a special program I can suggest Czech words for wiktionary and then check them in excel - but how will we upload excel file into wiktionary so new entries are added into DB?
 * 17:44:40: Well, remember that there is Free and there is Free
 * 17:44:56: What is the difference between Free and Free?
 * 17:45:13: Free (as in beer) vs. Free (as in speech)
 * 17:45:38: Freely available does not mean that it is covered by a GNU Free license.
 * 17:46:16: I can ask the guy who released the free dicts to help us - I think he will also like Czech entries in wiki - because he also released dictionaries for free.
 * 17:46:44: The Wiktionary project (and all WMF projects) by default use the GFDL license - so whoever contributes is implicitly releasing their work under the GFDL.
 * 17:47:02: And GFDL is good or bad licence?
 * 17:47:06: One aspect of GFDL is attribution - the other main one is that it can be freely reused.
 * 17:47:10: Very good.
 * 17:47:20: GFDL is a very good license.
 * 17:47:36: I have heard some complaints about it - but I am not a lawyer.
 * 17:47:51: Can someone sell GFDL data for money?
 * 17:48:08: I have heard some complaints too...I generally disagree with those complaints though. :-)
 * 17:48:19: Yes, you can sell GFDL data for money.
 * 17:48:29: The key is *attribution*.
 * 17:48:52: As long as you honor the terms of the GFDL license, you are fine.
 * 17:49:07: attribution as in "the attribution of lighting to an expression of God's wrath"
 * 17:50:06: I have to look at some more examples to understand what attribution means ;-) I know retribution but not attribution :-))
 * 17:50:06: Sort of. Attribution meaning that you identify /where/ you got it from, and who worked on it.
 * 17:50:58: ok, I need to get to some other things, so,
 * 17:51:03: oki
 * 17:51:14: I'd like you to get the first couple files uploaded onto commons.
 * 17:51:25: Ask in #wiktionary for help, if you hit any snags
 * 17:51:27: When you make some progress let me know I will return to IPA file.
 * 17:51:40: and also, if you could,
 * 17:51:56: But I do not know how to upload files onto commons - why does not commons have FTP?
 * 17:52:12: repost whatever portions of this (you are comfortable with) on http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/User_talk:Arael
 * 17:52:52: Commons allows only /single/ files to be uploaded, so they can be described, categorized, licensed, reviewed and linked separately.
 * 17:53:06: Hmm we just chat to get some work done - smalltalk ;-)
 * 17:53:24: You would be amazed how much work can be done in few seconds with the right tools ;-)
 * 17:53:41: Oh no, I am quite well aware.
 * 17:54:01: I still cannot imagine that thousands upload one file at a time - has to be exhausting and time consuming.
 * 17:54:07: That is the inherent danger; upload 20,000 files /WRONG/ and have to redo them - YUCK!
 * 17:54:26: It *is* very time consuming, for the bot.
 * 17:54:48: The bot has built-in "sleep" periods it has to honor.
 * 17:54:50: I also think that the mass bot things make server busy.
 * 17:55:22: I agree. Technically it would be much more efficient to do just the zip file, unzipped on the server.
 * 17:55:28: But that is not the Wiki way.
 * 17:55:32: Normally I would upload file via ftp unpack it with single command and add a line into the .php code which checks if file exists.
 * 17:55:56: Exactly.
 * 17:56:01: Wait a second - wiktionary has to have developer who can check if dog.ogg exists.
 * 17:56:19: Then display dog.ogg on the page. It is 5 minutes for developer.
 * 17:56:42: Well,
 * 17:56:55: In .php it looks like if(file_exists("sound/english/dog.ogg"))echo "dog.ogg";
 * 17:57:13: You are talking about customizing Wiktionary code, to check a different server (commons) for a file, living outside of mysql.
 * 17:57:31: The developers would never do that.
 * 17:57:39: We can store the urls of the files in table in wiktionary.
 * 17:57:52: The MediaWiki code is used by a lot more sites than just Wikipedia/Wiktionary
 * 17:58:39: Then it takes select command - select url from oggfiles where url like "%/dog.ogg"
 * 17:58:47: * Connel does not know how many thousands of sites have a wiki. Probably hundreds of thousands, by now. *
 * 17:59:18: Erik told me where to get dump of WZ - I will unpack it and take a look at it - does wiktionary also have dumps?
 * 17:59:20: For code to be added to Wiktionary, it has to make it into the main branch of the MediaWiki code
 * 17:59:27: Yes it does
 * 17:59:32: same place
 * 17:59:40: http://download.wikimedia.org/
 * 17:59:42: WZ dump was in a forum.
 * 18:00:02: ah, right. WZ is not part of the cluster yet.
 * 18:00:30: So you say to modify wiktionary code takes several months ;-)
 * 18:00:48: basically.
 * 18:00:58: Weeks is more typical.
 * 18:01:10: Big things require a lot of time for things to get modified.
 * 18:01:15: Something like that though, that would affect everyone, would take quite a while.
 * 18:02:00: So what do you need next in wiktionary?
 * 18:02:04: So, working /within/ the constraints of the current system, the files get uploaded by bot.
 * 18:02:38: What if the constraints limit/delay the development?
 * 18:02:41: A better spell check.
 * 18:03:16: There is aspell and ispell - I have heard they work quite well - would they help?
 * 18:03:50: Arael, you have to remember that the majority of the Wiktionary contributors are interested in building the lexical content, not with automated uploads. They are looked at with disdain.
 * 18:04:04: My current spell checker uses ispell.
 * 18:04:30: But it needs to treat wiki syntax a bit better
 * 18:04:50: But take a look at how long would it take to manually create the .ogg files and the IPA entries. It would take years.
 * 18:05:10: We have it in days.
 * 18:06:31: It is not possible to edit everything by hand - I code programs to do stuff for me - I have converted/formatted over 2000 .doc, .rtf, .txt files in just two days.
 * 18:07:38: Wait,
 * 18:07:43: That is not true.
 * 18:08:02: It certainly *is* possible to do everything by hand - if you have enough hands.
 * 18:08:09: Unfortunately,
 * 18:08:32: I have only two hands so I code programs to do stuff for me - helps a lot ;-)
 * 18:08:56: Most contributors feel that their human input is so much more valuable than automated entries, that they'd rather prohibit the automated entries and get them all right.
 * 18:09:08: rather than risk a handful of mistakes from a bot.
 * 18:10:10: Even worse, are when questions of licensing crop up.
 * 18:10:44: On WT:BP, we are currently discussing *deleting* 23,000 entries from "NanshuBot" because of license issues.
 * 18:11:19: I would like to chat with these guys - they have no idea - wiki uses mysql - that is automatic thing impossible to do searches by hand.
 * 18:11:59: How about creating very simple code allowing users to validate entries of the bot? It would go really fast.
 * 18:12:01: Their position is sometimes understandable.
 * 18:12:48: More often, I am as baffled as you are, by the anti-bot mentality that pervades the conversations.
 * 18:13:03: I think these guys understand it badly - bots are here to save us from clicking and typing too much.
 * 18:13:17: The "validation" step is what is supposed to happen *before* the uploads start.
 * 18:13:30: Arael: I very, very strongly agree.
 * 18:13:40: Can you give me some nicks of the anti-bot guys? I would love to chat with them.
 * 18:14:09: I know a lot about doing stuff automatically I would explain them why they are so wrong.
 * 18:14:17: But as I said earlier, it is more important not to piss people off, when mass-uploading. The way to do so, is to discuss it at length before starting.
 * 18:14:31: That wouldn't really help though, would it?
 * 18:14:56: Whenever you simply tell someone they are wrong, they *automatically* get defensive.
 * 18:15:04: Sometimes that defense is very agressive.
 * 18:15:09: I think anti-bot guys do not know what they talk about - they need someone to explain them what they want to talk about
 * 18:15:29: I like agressive guys - expecially when they are wrong :-))))
 * 18:16:00: So who is the Bin Laden of anti-bot movement? Give me his nick ;-)
 * 18:16:10: You don't get it.
 * 18:16:27: The contributors that hate bots don't use IRC.
 * 18:16:36: Why not? I would really like to chat with them. You have no idea how silly guys are out there.
 * 18:17:06: Girl who got Master in IT gave me a lecture about how not useful the firewall is.
 * 18:17:11: Alas, I think you overestimate their intelligence.
 * 18:17:24: :-)
 * 18:17:27: ... that it bothers her while she does her important work with questions.
 * 18:17:42: And she is Master of information science! Imagine that!
 * 18:18:10: Then I have heard about PhD candidate girl who does not know what is .zip file and cannot unpack it - also studies PhD in IT!!!!!
 * 18:18:44: Over the years, I've become quite understanding and tolerant of people's shortcomings.
 * 18:19:04: But I hope 99% wiki users are different then this.
 * 18:19:08: People experience life in different ways - they shape their opinions based on their experiences.
 * 18:19:35: "If the only tool you have is a hammer, every problem begins to look like a nail."
 * 18:19:41: I wonder why anti-bot guys use computers at all - they are bots too.
 * 18:19:49: hehe
 * 18:20:14: Really I would LOVE to chat with these guys - they are soooo wrong :-))))
 * 18:20:46: How many anti-bot guys are there in wiktionary? Like 1% ?
 * 18:20:54: About 95%
 * 18:21:08: You almost made me cry!
 * 18:21:42: Of the ~500 "Very active" contributors, four of us run bots.
 * 18:22:07: I say bots are our friends - if the have good logic they help a lot.
 * 18:22:16: People are *very* afraid of bots running out of control.
 * 18:22:20: No need to hate them - bots do the best they can.
 * 18:22:47: So they are scared of skynet bot taking control of wiki and launching nukes against Russia? :-)))
 * 18:23:13: People's talents lie in different areas. No one wants to have their work inadvertently replaced by a bot
 * 18:23:32: I say use bots to suggest stuff and then validate it.
 * 18:24:00: And be careful with replacement bots - think twice before running them.
 * 18:24:01: Well, I hope I've described that that is an uphill battle.
 * 18:24:32: I am glad wiktionary is run by someone who understands how important it is to make things effectively.
 * 18:24:41: Oki I will think about things we have talked about.
 * 18:25:07: Can you repost part or all of this at http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/User_talk:Arael please?
 * 18:25:15: I have wiktionary converted into .txt file.
 * 18:25:41: That is a good first step. Parsing the XML is very straight-forward.
 * 18:25:50: I can put it into a excel table and show to you what can be done with the data in excel - that would help a lot I think.
 * 18:26:11: I can start with Czech entries - I will surely not add them manually ;-)
 * 18:26:15: Well, yes. (Wouldn't help convince me, of course.)
 * 18:26:25: "Preaching to the choir" and all...
 * 18:26:43: Oki I will try to copy this chat into Arael page.
 * 18:27:02: The best approach for getting bot approval is to show *by* *example* how useful they are.
 * 18:27:05: Will it make guys angry at me?
 * 18:27:23: No, it will make them cautious.
 * 18:27:44: About what? That skynet is taking over wiki?
 * 18:27:58: hehe
 * 18:28:08: These guys have to understand that we do not take anything from them.
 * 18:28:20: Our objective is to make wiki as good as possible in short time.
 * 18:28:34: They will want to see that you know how to create entries *manually* first, so that you don't tell a bot to do something wrong.
 * 18:28:47: I agree.
 * 18:28:47: Oki
 * 18:28:50: Hrmm.
 * 18:29:12: You'd better take out my comment about getting arrested from the above. "No personal threats" might apply.
 * 18:29:31: Oki I will post it and you can censor it.
 * 18:29:31: :-)
 * 18:29:45: That's fine. Thank you.
 * 18:29:49: Bye

title: User talk:Arael


text:
dispossess

Etymology
From, from. Equivalent to.

Verb

 * 1) To deprive someone of the possession of land, especially by evicting them.
 * 2) To deprive someone of possession in general.
 * 3)  To take possession of the ball/puck etc. (from someone).
 * 1)  To take possession of the ball/puck etc. (from someone).

title: dispossess


text:
huolissaan

Etymology
The inessive plural of.

Adverb

 * 1) [while being] concerned, worried, bothered

title: huolissaan