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User talk:Fabartus/Archive1

My wikihome is w:user talk:fabartus or commons:user talk:fabartus. I bounce back in forth roughly 70:30.

Please feel free to email me at fabartus-at-comcast.net or via gmail.com. Fra nkB 01:56, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

--Connel MacKenzie 05:52, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

Slammed already
Please also note that templates are supposed to be in lower case here, unless there is a language code conflict. WT:I2T is our index to templates. --Connel MacKenzie 05:52, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

Well, Connel, it would sure be nice to know how to post to your protected talk page! I generally edit in lowercase, so that shouldn't be much of a problem. I'm just porting in a few interwiki support links that are also used on both the commons and en.wikipedia. Finding your category links was a tad more difficult. // Fra nkB 06:05, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

 * I did not intend my comment to seem like any sort of "slam"! You did get the template right; I had hoped the link provided would prove useful.

 * I am interested to know what categories didn't match. I've spent some time here and there, trying to make things match whenever possible.  I'll re-unprotect my talk page (semi-protected during a vandal flurry) right now.  --Connel MacKenzie 06:18, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

 * Pardon my sense of humor... I've been working a lot lately to interconnect categories interwiki, and I always seem to run into someone I need to convince that common names are aids to productivity amonst the . NBD, really... I still haven't had my dinner, it's 2:22 am, and the wife's going to throw a fit in the morning!

 * You really, 'spoke too soon', so to speak... I had to work around your software not capitalizing the first letter just now with W2... though I was glad to create it as w2, which is in the lowercase we apparently both prefer.

 * I took a quick peek at the link, and I'm sure it'll be useful. I'm just trying to finish porting three tags, which unfortunately needed some groundwork. You won't like two of their names. WikiPtmp and WikiPcat are both used to interlink sister templates and categories respectively, and Commonscat you already have a variant of in wikipediacat. These listed have the added benefit of allowing for a link to the main article on en.wikipedia. That, I'd guess would be quite useful over here.

 * In any event, this is part of a pilot program to efficiently interconnect various projects. Until we see some system software upgrades promised, the few test tags I hang over here will hardly be noticed. see: category:Fishing or category:Fish for examples after I change 'wikipediacat' to 'WikiPcat'.

 * Cats added for compatibility with template classifications on or :
 * Category:Templates using ParserFunctions
 * Category:Interwiki link templates
 * Category:Wikipedia navigation templates
 * The first two are very stanard en.wp, the latter collects most of the utility templates we've been using the past five-six weeks whilst exploring how to better automate interwiki connections. In any event, I'll also be fixing up (It's back in my edit stack see: user:fabartus/tmp1) your commonscat to default to the same catpage on the commons. Right now that seems to not work, and the code will handle any specific 'override' perameter if given, as seems to have been the practice here. The newer version will do that transparently, whilst defaulting to the proper page. (We've been doing a lot of these.)

 * Btw- your software's neglect at capitalizing first letters now have me with pages in user space for both fabartus and Fabartus. Sigh. (Sometimes, I'm a tad slow. I should have caught it when I programmed my signature.) I've redirected those as appropo.

 * Gotta finish up and get some shut-eye after eating! Best regards, from across the big pond! // Fra nkB 07:08, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

Xchg-3

 * Enjoy your food, go to bed, but do come back tomorrow. Yes, much better interproject coordination is needed on many, many levels.  For templates, just be very careful (on this, and other Wiktionaries) about two and three letter entries; those are supposed to all be language codes only (if lowercase.)  I'm a couple timezones west of you.  --Connel MacKenzie 07:40, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

 * Someone else with bad habits! The letter combo's shouldn't be an problem. Hmmm, i and s TL, tlx. Dang, 'tlx' examples are broken--they all used caps. I need that link to en.wikipedia, I broke something, and I'm too tired to find it, so I'm taking your advice.

 * Take a look at w:category:Internal link templates... some of those are used frequently. Let me know if you see any obvious name collisions. // Fra nkB 07:56, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

 * If you remind me again sometime when I'm awake, I'll look closely. The only major one I see so far is that, which should be a redirect to  - and  is the one you should be "advertizing" not "TL."  --Connel MacKenzie 17:20, 30 August 2006 (UTC)  (sorry, forgot to sign earlier - due to a weird JavaScriptism.)

Question
Shouldn't / be simple redirects to ? --Connel MacKenzie 17:20, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

 * W is/was a Meta template in origin, I believe, and adopted on some sites, and not on others. The larger problem is in finding a set of user friendly menomics that haven't been pre-used by any .  does very different things on the Commons and on en.wikipedia itself, and thus  came about trying to write usage that could be ported without text changes from one sister to another, ditto, as 'Wc' was similarly circumscribed on the commons by prior use. SO I canceled the problems with one character iterations and maintain some mnemonic relation, if not a perfect one.  just won't cut it unless we modify the usage from sister to sister on such occasions... Worse... The other issue is that on half the sister's, give or take, their own prefix (e.g. Commons:template:WikiPcat works fine here, but is a redlink on  itself. Same deal here: (nowikied on left, active on the right side) character -- character -- character  character -- character -- characterSo again, such needs a generally applicable  or some foresighted smarts to get around the issue locally. See: the previous link generated by WD, which I'm in the act of pasting up here to see the #ifeq hoop we jump through in the logic (compare to the 'displayed usage's claimed logic... the original less complicated content') to get around that little matter of annoyance. Cheers! Check my contribs... I brought over a few good tools today. // Fra nkB  07:30, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

redirects
Hiya. As the welcome note says above, we don't like redirects here. Every word or phrase should have its own entry; left bracket should exist in its own right, not least for the purpose of translations etc. Cheers, Widsith 08:18, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

 * Fine, I'm worried about links from nine wiki's to the tenths, and another browser window may have the more permanent change. I thought it polite to ensure there was an entry destination for the links in the tables... See the interim ref template (Ironically, I'd was just parking this tool when I got the message flag).

 * The narrow name columns: {the set of) { blank, bracket, ..., Space } (and whatnot) etc. are links to here using WD, the Redlinks on the right and left columns need or W2: prefixes. But that's not high priority at the moment... One step at a time. I've got to put the overall logic to bed on the linking templates on all sister's first.

 * I do clean up after meself, so no worries mate. I'm quite capable of searching for loose ends tagged with 'Redirect' and adding content you'll like later. (I even have been known to pick up my dirty socks and clothes and get them into the laundry! Amazing feat, that! ) For now, they link to the sensible whilst I fix logic... they were part of the test on (failed logic in) if you look at the chronology! Cheers! // Fra nkB  14:56, 2 September 2006 (UTC) (Xpost-see here to

Userpage
Hello, could you please move your userpage back to the standard Uppercase version? Right now it doesn't correspond with the username. — Vildricianus 20:35, 3 September 2006 (UTC)
 * The thing here is that while pagenames can be lowercase, usernames can't (database structure et al.) So at User:fabartus there are no contribs links, email, etc. since there is no user "fabartus", only "Fabartus". WT:A provides a list of admins, but I've already moved the stuff now. Cheers, — Vildricianus 08:19, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

 * OK, thanks. One of the troubles with being an ex-C/C++ programmer with a fair knowledge of Unix, is one over uses lower case! On WP and most of the other sister's, lc firsts just don't happen and aren't even possible without severe contortions. So I guess I've got to get less lazy! Hah! All that work pressing the extra key, and all that! Don't know if I can handle the extra labor! Thanks. What would happen if'n I'd moved it onto the redirect was worrisome, a tad. Best regards, // Fra nkB 17:03, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

template reminders
It is probably a bad idea to add gramatical templates here, from Wikipedia. Their use of gramatical names is almost always guaranteed to be different.

Also, please remember that we only use lower case template names. Be meticulous in moving them to the lowercase form, please. --Connel MacKenzie 23:51, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

I'm unwilling to compromise on that... The names that are inuse on all the other English wiki's should be used unless you really don't want connected to the sources. I don't see why you cannot keep compatibility in template tools available elsewhere. Case redirects work fine and track as the primary for data base tallies, transclusions, etc., created and tagged w/... but you seem to have made Synonym disappear. Did you even look at it? It takes a list, not editorial extra typing! This is bullshit! NO RESPECT FOR MY TIME! // Fra nkB 00:08, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

 * Please note that your addition of prohibited templates is an expression of disrespect to all Wiktionarians that have built this project. There are very clear reasons for not having linguistic templates from Wikipedia - their use of these templates is to assist conceptual navigation, not linguistic lookups.  --Connel MacKenzie 00:16, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

Template synonym again
OK, I really think it is a very, very, very bad idea to add gramatical templates here, from Wikipedia.

The Wikipedia concepts are anti-linguistic. They assist lookups for concepts not words. Our focus here is quite the opposite.

There are lots and lots of reasons not to have, but the only possible reasons for having it would be to assist transwiki cleanup or to help visitors from Wikipedia. Perhaps the later has merit. But the former does not. We don't include section headers like that within templates (or section editing breaks.) So the template "solutions" would not pan out anyhow.

--Connel MacKenzie 00:11, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

 * Try reading and thinking first... That was specially adapted from wiki's cat tagging MainBold, for here, as one which lists synonyms in link form... about half an hour of my time you just shit all over. I got the idea checking a Merriam-Webster definition, as a matter of fact, or I could have used Dictionary.com... BOTH present synonyms in CSL formats aka [comma seperated lists]. It even adds 's' and flags an error. It's a tool, not something to do with whether concepts are anti-linguistic, but what will display! // Fra nkB  00:18, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

Stop with the bad redirects!
Perhaps we could discuss this on irc://irc.freenode.net/wiktionary --Connel MacKenzie 00:21, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

There is no such thing as a bad redirect. Computers do exactly what they're told.

I don't RSS, I need to give this box back to the wife, then I'm going to cool down (HOPEFULLY, THIS WAS A BIT OVER THE TOP!!!) and watch the Steelers. If you're around circa Midnight fine... we can email. In the meantime, you can fix the redirect by undeleting the template. // Fra nkB 00:29, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

 * Sorry - I also lost three edits here back in a stack of trials. Wikiwork on Firefox is something I should KNOW not to do... and that includes other edits I started on Wikipedia that lead me to check the definition for plug here. Steamed... even worse now! And in the middle of it is this clown of an IP editor who more than doubled my two year edit tally in reverts, something I hate to do, unless there is vandalism:

23:21, 7 September 2006 (hist) (diff) Template:MainBold (Tag w/, export and adapt on Wikt) (top)

23:18, 7 September 2006 (hist) (diff) Template:Wiktionarytmp adaptedas (tidy up) (top)

23:15, 7 September 2006 (hist) (diff) Template:Wiktionarytmp adaptedas (Genesis for immediate need-- A NEW GENERAL C LASS???)

23:12, 7 September 2006 (hist) (diff) User talk:82.212.68.183 (+{{Welcomeip}}+ ) (top)

23:00, 7 September 2006 (hist) (diff) User talk:82.212.68.183 (All reverted--Bad timing now!)

22:59, 7 September 2006 (hist) (diff) Template talk:Metatmp (this is cross post to :Seems he wanted to simply some logic, which had some validity, though is mistimed.) (top)

22:46, 7 September 2006 (hist) (diff) WIP (+WIP List et al) (top)

22:27, 7 September 2006 (hist) (diff) Template:Wiktionarytmp (rv 7 September 2006 82.212.68.183 uninformed changes... these won't work on all sites with your alterations) (top)

22:26, 7 September 2006 (hist) (diff) Template:Wikisourcetmp (rv 7 September 2006 82.212.68.183 uninformed changes... these won't work on all sites with your alterations) (top)

22:20, 7 September 2006 (hist) (diff) Template:Commonstmp (rv 7 September 2006 82.212.68.183 uninformed changes... these won't work on all sites with your alterations) (top)

22:19, 7 September 2006 (hist) (diff) Template:WikiNewstmp (rv 7 September 2006 82.212.68.183 uninformed changes... these won't work on all sites with your alterations) (top)

22:18, 7 September 2006 (hist) (diff) Template:WikiQuotetmp (rv 7 September 2006 82.212.68.183 uninformed changes... these won't work on all sites with your alterations) (top)

22:16, 7 September 2006 (hist) (diff) Template:WikiPtmp (rv 7 September 2006 82.212.68.183 uninformed changes... these won't work on all sites with your alterations) (top)

22:15, 7 September 2006 (hist) (diff) Template:Metatmp (rv 7 September 2006 82.212.68.183 uninformed changes... these won't work on all sites with your alterations) (top)

22:12, 7 September 2006 (hist) (diff) Template:WikiSpeciestmp (rv 7 September 2006 82.212.68.183 uninformed changes... these won't work on all sites with your alterations) (top)

So, 00:52 less before 22:12 (UTC)... adds up to a very distasteful 2+ mostly wasted hours. Catch you tomarrow. I'm sure you'll be in bed by my midnight. We should talk here. This is what the page is for. Or the email... you never answered my post the other day. // 00:52, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
 * I don't think I got an e-mail from you the other day. --Connel MacKenzie 00:58, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

 * Why, despite being set in preferences to warn if leaving no summary, is this implimentation allowing me to save??? The others don't!!! // Fra nkB 00:54, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
 * That preference applies to the main namespace, AFAIK. --Connel MacKenzie 00:58, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

Hello
Hi I've just returned. I really think the bulk of our conversation would be better off-line. That way, a coherent summary can be added somewhere to Wiktionary.

You seem rather miffed that Wiktionary does things differently than perhaps you are accustomed to. A lot of people's time has gone into building our layout in an acceptable manner. Blithely disregarding that with a new (inferior) way of identifying, for example, synonyms is not a good way to build inter-project cooperation.

--Connel MacKenzie 04:31, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
 * No, I'm miffed that you deleted it without discussing it, barely, but amazingly 'before I had the time to close the edits to the second of two pages I'd used it on'. That's downright disrespectful, to say the least. So this is personal, not professional, if one can apply such to WikiWorks. In a word, I'm offended. You obviously need a policy over here, not to mention a deletion discussion policy and procedure. That really says something about how high-handed I find this, as I hate those damn talk pages and bureaucracy. Apparently, you don't go in much for editorial judgement and latitude either. And you certainly don't get points for answering that rather lengthy email! And just to finish framing the matter for you, I was proud of and kind-of bragging about that template. It's taken a lot of work to get good with them, and instead of giving it a judicious trial and decent examination, you killed it without even seeing where it was linked, nor what it's capabilities were. That's unconscionable. Period.

 * If there is a superior method, well and good, but a list of possible synonyms, or just a list sans all the '[]' garbage typing MUST be useful here once in a while just to see what permutations might need be filled, or are currently available in preview mode. And superior or not, it doesn't say why it is unsuitable in a quick and dirty edit when one is under time pressure to close a stub and deal with RL or other pressing matters. It's very time efficient for finding redlinked permutations, or blue, or would be if I'd imported the code that allows upto 15 things to be CSL listed. (See:  for example, since you were rude enough to spit on this one.

 * Taking the discussion offline says your methods are contrary to Wikimedia Foundation practices of being open and above board... these talk pages are the corporate work papers and internal records and memorandum. This may be slow, but it's open and available for reference elsewhere.

 * With the availability of WD, a whole lot more inline references in wikipedia articles are going to be made, and those links to Wiktionary pages are going to be coming up empty... an interwiki redlink if you will. That's why I had nice little adds under 'plug' and 'polarized' and 'polarization' and such and lost them in that F****ng undersized browser cache—I was really taking a wiki-day-off, and sat down to check a meaning on the wife's laptop... well, the editing is in my blood. The redlinks and ads on the Wikipages are the real loss.

 * After your little trick, I doubt you could get my friend to get me to contribute here. I'm seriously ticked at your high-handed behaviour and tempted to let you all suffer without tying you into the sister wiki's  tool chest. I thought you were a Bureaucrat or steward, not a rapist and mugger! Yet you acted just as forcefully. And if you have some idiotic need to run all lowercase when the rest of the sister's are using a first letter cap on templates, then want to bitch about name-case redirects, I simply don't need the hassle, my plate is overfull and spilling off the table. It's not like I'm getting paid for any of this... and you certainly put a damper on satisfaction!

The simple solution is to use the one in place on the sister project with all the man-power. R from other capitalisation / w:Category:R from other capitalisation, but, Oh, I forgot, NIH, not invented here. Sorry, I'm getting the message. Bilophiles not wanted, just fussy people into minutia and lexicography that have some strange idea, despite the ample proof to the contrary in the historical record, that there is such a thing as a universally correct way to spell anything. NOT! Never has been, never will be... except as a fantasy, or do you prefer phantasy, old style? I don't really care. I do care your search engine sucks at finding misspellings. That would be useful, most words I can define in three or five permutations in my sleep. 'Correct spelling', as mythical as it is, is something I check. If you're missing a word, I'll stub something in, and you all can fuss all you want, because you'll not get another two full fledged efforts like those I lost again. Your stub template works just fine... even in uppercase first! // Fra nkB 07:50, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

 * I am stunned that you think of my actions as high-handed. I deleted that template because I saw you used it on another article and I did not want your mistake to run away unchecked.  So, here we are discussing it.

 * The lower-case first character was forced uopon all Wiktionaries, against consensus. I have done some hacks to force the correct lookup to happen for anonymous users - registered users get the option of doing the one extra click themselves, or entering the other capitalization.  I don't think you'd believe how many hundreds of human hours have been spent discussing this topic.

 * Rapist? Mugger?  Oh please.  You'll note that from your first mistakes here, I'd promoted conversation, trying to direct you towards the discussions and decisions the community here has already reasolved.  I think I have been quite supportive of your efforts, despite your perceptions.

 * Yes, I know I still don't get any "points" for not replying to the e-mail you sent that I never got.

 * --Connel MacKenzie 17:28, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

 * Xpost to
 * In this nebulous digital wikiWorld one can sometimes get over involved; I'm usually on my guard against such, but going into last weekend snuck up on me. I've spent literally days hour on hour revamping the initial system, and like so many things, it just got to be a bit too much to hit a new frustration. So I took a few days off, least I continue the daze!  In anyevent, I was just dropping in to fix a typo I'd unearthed, and wasn't supposed to be wiki-ing anything today as well until sometime this evening... instead the whole day has been on Meta and the commons, with an email to Jimbo Wales for spice, as he finally got back to me on something relating to category interlinking... the direct ancester of the templates scheme, but one more important by far, as it's also interlingual, but needs system software upgrades, which is where Jimbo enters into it. I want him to kick it around with the rest of the board and the programmers that can answer the issues I haven't yet devined... or not knowing enough, can only present with a rough sketch of what needs to happen. So apologies.

 * Apologies on the email if you can't find that either. I saw my copy of it somewhere during the last two days, and early this evening at the latest (I'm at 3:48 EDST, Boston, MA area), I'll track it down again and resend. I just looked and came up empty, which means nothing first pass. My email filters are pretty complex, but at the moment, I'm rushed. TTFN // Fra nkB 19:53, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

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sorry for the rough start
I'm sorry your suggestions and well-intentioned improvements have gotten such a rocky initial reception. I'm sorry Connel seems so high-handed.

Understand that Wiktionary is, for better or worse, different from Wikipedia. Some of the differences may be gratuitous and unnecessary, but others are significant and quite necessary or useful. And the established community is, like any established community, generally happy with the status quo, which it has built to its liking. No one ever, sadly, likes a little kid barging in and insisting that the emperor has no clothes, whether or not the little kid is right.

I think that several of your suggestions have merit. (I can offer some more detailed comments if you like.) But on big subjects like redirect policy, or overarching template naming schemes, or visionary grand unifying theories across all wikiprojects, being wp:bold and just making lots of significant or sweeping changes is not, I'm afraid, going to fly. People are going to have to understand what you're trying to accomplish, first, and get comfortable with the idea(s). Simultaneously, you need to understand some of the ways in which Wiktionary is different (at least some of which, as I said, are important and can't be brushed away) so that you can adjust your ideas accordingly.

I realize that discussion and consensus-building is timeconsuming and sometimes frustrating, and I do sympathize if you can't be bothered. But if Wiktionary is wrong for being different, it's not some simple little mistake that can be speedily "corrected". The people who made Wiktionary what it is will have to be properly convinced, lest you seem high-handed, too.

Again, apologies for the rough treatment, and good luck. —scs 14:38, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

 * Thanks for this, but I'm fairly easy to get along with, and in retrospect, it wasn't as much high handed as being shockingly rapid and dismissive. I will say that I've had more trouble with the case issues and required names work-arounds like 'Cat'---> 'CAT', 'S' ---> 'SP', and such here than all the other nine sister's put together. That's not a slam, just a report on the facts. I have no overarching desire to remake you folks into a Wikipedia Carbon Copy, but the concept of distributing the handy tools developed over many man-years to all the English wiki's just came about because of needs... mainly my own selfish ones... I kept trying to use things that weren't available on the commons.

 * As you can see from the above Xpost to Connel, I've both calmed down some, and am generally known for connecting the bigger picture. This whole scheme is something I've got to lay before Meta's soon, and it's already taken far more of my time to get the system properly configured so that it would be robust and maintainable, and other technical matters in the underlying design, than I could have ever dreamed. Let's just say working with templates so extensively threw me some real curveballs here and there. And as is usual,  rules when one is in a hurry... and the behinder one gets, the more in a hurry one is liable to be!

 * I'm not sure what local taboo's are affected or being flaunted if I import a tool that is useful, debugged, and most importantly, available on a wide scale where many thousands of capable editors have experience with it. Are you suggesting Meta and Wikipedia conform to your Naming Conventions on shared materials? Certainly can't happen on the first letter capitalizations. Worse, one editor here changed the uniform names on a couple of the interwiki templates into an unworkable all lowercase... which would not then link with it's sister's on the other English wiki's. The interwiki tagging templates rather heavily depend on the Meta software's  '  ' and that internal to the word change just breaks them. That was part of the lost email to Connel, who was uniformly helpful until he got into a quick state of ultra-speedy-deletionism! (And, yes, I still like him. That was just very bad timing. He's too quick for me. I'm slow and steady, I have no idea how he could have begun to assimulate that note, much less the template, before I backspaced and closed the related second edit... and got a redlink! That, I didn't need. A little more delay, and it might have been weeks before I saw the change. Kind of funny in retrospect! Amazing too.)

 * I suppose one can redirect all nine other wiki's to possess an all lowercase variant, but A) is that reasonable, and B) why bother; the various tens, or hundreds of tool templates will have the same issues in at least the first letter. Just to work around your ubiquitous / for example, I had to introduce TL on all the other sister's and then again, I've had to scheme as to how to handle such naming collisions in a general way. (See w:Template:Interwikitmp-grps see also, esp. the second table.) (Pardon the interim version's bottom clutter— I'll be trolling for all the name collisions I can soon on all the projects, and that's breaking down somewhat under the parsing inside the auxillary template that also gets sucked in.)

 * However, those two tables pretty much layout the whole system. If they don't, let me know ASAP before I propagate it, for Pete's (And Frank's! ) sake! Gotta run. Thanks, I'll be back this evening I expect! The email's on too! // Fra nkB 20:56, 12 September 2006 (UTC) (w/see this (mn) edit on )

Experiment removed
It has been well over a month, with no explanation forthcoming, an no use found for the array of templates you created that clogged the Special:Wantedpages list. I've cleared most of them. I'll review the rest at my next opportunity. Please don't add any templates again, without significant prior discussion. --Connel MacKenzie 14:22, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

 * Too bad, just when real life is letting me start back with some wikitime. I don't think of a uniform system of interwiki connections, nor common tools as the least experimental or controversial.

 * Nice of someone (NOT!) to let me know by email that there was a deletion discussion ongoing. Wish I had the free time to undo others well intentioned time consuming work.

 * There appear to be too damn many people in acedemia involved in wiki's that haven't a clue as to holding a real job and real life! Get a life. // Fra nkB 17:59, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

 * And how many people took the time out to try hand-holding you? Yet you proceeded with many templates that made no effort to comply with previous efforts?  If you are looking for someone to blame for deleting and rolling back your changes, look no further.  You had thwacked several lists, then dissapeared.  E-mail?  How is that helpful to someone making an effort here?  You never did answer Uncle G's queries, nor addressed the immediate problems nor secondary problems you created.  --Connel MacKenzie 18:36, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

 * What inquiry do you refer to from Uncle G? Like my email, there is nothing above to which to refer. If you were hand holding, then babysitters use clubs. I can assure you, if I wanted to exhibit basic civility and common courtesy on any matter of import, no matter how trivial, or if I needed an answer, I'd make sure I exhausted all means of communication to get a message through. Such as for instance, taking into account whether this was an occasional or one's home wiki. Such as perhaps leaving a message on Meta, with it's handy email auto-notifications. No one here did, which pretty much makes your hand holding a DOA argument, imho, so doesn't say much at all good for the common courtesies practiced here. Regards. // Fra nkB 23:24, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

 * User talk:Uncle G. --Connel MacKenzie 21:25, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

 * Xpost and Belated answers:including Uncle G's section linked above by Connel today.

This was a bad idea (fm Uncle G's)
Please do not rename these templates, particularly the one's. When updating we go from link to link to link pasting in a new version to maintain EXACT IDENTICAL code. Since everything is keyed in off of, you are changing the relative linking to all the other templates in the project were we to try to reach one from the template link, which happens constantly. Plus you were breaking an internal test coding that depends on that exact page name in one of three #ifeq: tests that use that page name so we don't have to write and maintain multiple versions. The redirect can go the other way, and we are setting up some. Besides, some of us like camel case!  Haven't seen you or said Hi! for a while. Take care, and don't do anything I wouldn't do... like mess with a nine-sister interconnection system when you don't know the rules, the fragile parts, or what's in development and planned development!  Consider yourself spanked with a wet noodle! Cheers! // Fra nkB 10:10, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
 * (a) What on Earth are you talking about? That paragraph makes no sense at all.  What you are talking about appears to bear no relation to the template that you have linked to, which contained no #ifeq: tests whatsoever until yesterday, when you broke it, and whose operation is unaffected by what its own name is, since its use of  is relevant to the page that it is transcluded onto. (b) Why have you linked to a rename operation that was done 15 months ago, as part of dealing with the throwing of the case-sensitivity switch that happened back then? (c) Who is this "we" that you are purporting to represent? (d) Please explain why you just broke Template:wikispecies. (e) Please explain, given that it appears to be an exceedingly complex and byzantine way of doing what for several years has been done in a very simple fashion and doesn't even work, why Wiktionary should keep any of what you have just dumped into the template namespace. Uncle G 23:48, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

 * Connell M. just pointed me to back this post. This all happened about the time RL demanded a sacrifice of all my wiki-time for most of three months. Looking at this was a 'too quick' mistake editing across sister projects... note the suffix 'tmp' on the interwiki's on the one I landed, so I have to presume I was modifying the url and well... missed. The target should have been  like w:template:WikiSpeciestmp or if you had a workable redirects tracking system here, one like this is an easy 'fix'.

 * Sorry on that. My bad. Probably trying to do too much in too little time. Actually, that's obvious, 9:54 UTC is 5:54 EDST and I'm definitely NOT an early riser... so that was at the end of an all nighter. (Which alas, I'm really too old to do often.)

 * In such an update mode, I'm generally just Hitting CTRL-A, CTRL-V and saving sans even a preview from the cut buffer, as the 'base version' is working, so I undoubtedly just overwrote this near name equivilent. I can't have followed a hyperlink, or the name would have been consistent and correct.

 * The rest of it is moot, as you all deleted the system without receiving the tools. Did you keep ubiquitous and useful tools like Lts and tlx? Well you missed that redirect. I'm pretty sure I didn't port the various cat templates and 'La' here yet, so the reasons for the systems and common naming die here due to 'Not Invented Here syndrome' or however you rationalize not keeping common names between sister projects and empowering editors of any stripe to contribute who are familiar with the others. And that really sums up the purpose of the templates inported here. They were the shell of commonality for the other goodies you all will now have to root out an transport on your own. Or write from scratch, or do without. Shrug. Not my loss.

 * I'm not sure about what you perceived wasn't working, but the preponderance of evidence is rather the other way. I admit there were a few isolated glitches, but given the tagging, if I hadn't updated a version, it would have been very simple and easy to follow the link back to the master copy and see if that was more recent. Can't do that easily without some such system.

 * Since the system has moved on to being moot here now, I'll just go on back to wikipedia and get back to getting stuff done. After I catch up some other matters, I hope to get this project back on track and posted in Meta. Sorry about the delayed response. But you all might try email for people with other wiki-homes. Do have a good New Year. // Fra nkB 23:54, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

Redirects again
Remember the rule of thumb: NO REDIRECTS in the main namespace. --Connel MacKenzie 21:06, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

 * Oh darn... how do you folks ever get anything done? Drop me a link the guideline, would you. I seem to stumble over needed words often enough! Happy New Year, btw. // Fra nkB 21:10, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

 * Redirections as well as at least a dozen other places. --Connel MacKenzie 21:17, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

 * Whatever you're moving and doing, work [space-and-a-half into it too. Cheers! // [[User:Fabartus|Fra]] nkB 21:16, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

title: User talk:Fabartus/Archive1


text:
逆水行舟

Idiom

 * 1) to diligently engage in one's studies (like a boat going against the currents)
 * 2) to go against the tide

license: Creative Commons - Attribution Share-Alike - https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/4.0/

title: 逆水行舟


text:
esperança

Etymology 1
, from. Corresponds to. Compare 🇨🇬.

Noun

 * 1) hope
 * 2) expectancy, expectation

Etymology
From, from , from.

Noun

 * 1) hope

Etymology
From, from.

Noun

 * 1) hope

Etymology
From, , from , from ; corresponds to. Compare 🇨🇬, 🇨🇬, 🇨🇬.

Noun

 * 1) hope

title: esperança


text:
User talk:Hippietrail/personalsidebar.js

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text: 退一步海阔天空

title: 退一步海阔天空


text:
intension

Etymology
From, from , perfect passive participle of.

Noun

 * 1) intensity or the act of becoming intense.
 * 2)  Any property or quality connoted by a word, phrase or other symbol, contrasted with actual instances in the real world to which the term applies.
 * 3)  A straining, stretching, or bending; the state of being strained.
 * the intension of a musical string
 * 1)  A straining, stretching, or bending; the state of being strained.
 * the intension of a musical string

Usage notes

 * Not to be confused with.

Translations

 * Bulgarian: ,

Etymology
Compare 🇨🇬

Noun

 * 1) intention, aim, purpose

title: intension


text:
退一步海闊天空

Proverb

 * 1) Yielding (taking a step back) to someone else may make life much easier.

title: 退一步海闊天空


text: Category:Mandarin proverbs

title: Category:Mandarin proverbs


text:
退房

Verb

 * 1) to check out of a hotel room

title: 退房


text:
magnetic bearing

Noun

 * 1)  Directional bearing relative to the nearest magnetic pole, as shown by a compass.
 * 2)  A contactless mechanical bearing in which a rotating part, such as a shaft, is held in place by a magnetic field.

Translations

 * Finnish: kompassisuunta

title: magnetic bearing


text: 马其顿

title: 马其顿


text:
馬其頓

Proper noun

 * 1)  Macedonia
 * 2) Macedonia

title: 馬其頓


text:
Paske

Etymology
Various origins:
 * A variant of the English surname.
 * Americanized spelling of, a short form of.
 * Borrowed from or.

Statistics

 * According to the 2010 United States Census, Paske is the 36838th most common surname in the United States, belonging to 606 individuals. Paske is most common among White (96.7%) individuals.

title: Paske


text:
magnetic circuit

Noun

 * 1)  A closed path of magnetic flux.

Translations

 * Chinese:
 * Mandarin:
 * French:

title: magnetic circuit


text: nonlethal

title: nonlethal


text:
proposer

Noun

 * 1) Someone who proposes; someone who makes a proposal.

Translations

 * Arabic: مُقْتَرِح
 * French: ,

Etymology
, borrowed from, altered based on French.

Verb

 * 1) to propose, suggest
 * 2) to propose (offer)
 * 1) to propose (offer)

Etymology
From, borrowed from , altered based on.

Verb

 * 1)  to propose

Etymology
Borrowed from, from + , altered based on.

Verb

 * 1) to propose (offer)
 * 2) to place on top of

title: proposer


text:
nationalize

Etymology
From. .

Verb

 * 1)  To make into, or to become, a nation.
 * 2) To bring a private company, or an industry comprising such companies, under the control of a specific government.
 * 3) To bring a concept such as a political issue or commercial campaign to the attention of the entire country.
 * 4)  To change from having local and regional variation to being national in character and scope.
 * 5)  To make national; to make a nation of; to endow with the character and habits of a nation, or the peculiar sentiments and attachment of citizens of a nation.
 * 1) To bring a concept such as a political issue or commercial campaign to the attention of the entire country.
 * 2)  To change from having local and regional variation to being national in character and scope.
 * 3)  To make national; to make a nation of; to endow with the character and habits of a nation, or the peculiar sentiments and attachment of citizens of a nation.
 * 1)  To make national; to make a nation of; to endow with the character and habits of a nation, or the peculiar sentiments and attachment of citizens of a nation.
 * 1)  To make national; to make a nation of; to endow with the character and habits of a nation, or the peculiar sentiments and attachment of citizens of a nation.

Translations

 * Arabic: أَمَّمَ
 * Armenian: ,
 * Belarusian: нацыяналізава́ць
 * Bulgarian:
 * Burmese: ပြည်သူပိုင်သိမ်း
 * Chinese:
 * Mandarin:
 * Czech: znárodňovat, znárodnit
 * Esperanto: ŝtatigi
 * Finnish:
 * French:
 * German: ,
 * Greek:
 * Hungarian:
 * Ido:
 * Japanese:
 * Korean: 국유화하다
 * Kyrgyz:
 * Macedonian: национализи́ра
 * Malay: milik negarakan, nasionalisasikan
 * Polish:, znacjonalizować, unaradawiać, unarodowić, ,
 * Portuguese: ,
 * Russian:
 * Slovak: znárodňovať, znárodniť
 * Swedish:, ,
 * Ukrainian: націоналізува́ти, націоналізо́вувати
 * Walloon:

title: nationalize


text:
magnetic mine

Noun

 * 1)  A mine, often a naval mine, which responds to the magnetic field of a target.

title: magnetic mine


text:
holidays

Noun

 * 1)  (usually after possessive) holiday, vacation; time off work, especially if spent travelling away from home
 * 2)  The season around Christmas, Hanukkah, and New Year's Day.
 * 1)  The season around Christmas, Hanukkah, and New Year's Day.
 * 1)  The season around Christmas, Hanukkah, and New Year's Day.

Adverb

 * 1) On holidays.

Translations

 * German:

title: holidays


text:
magnetic compass

Noun

 * 1)  An instrument containing a freely suspended magnetic element which displays the direction of the horizontal component of the Earth’s magnetic field at the point of observation.
 * 2) A supposed organ, in some animals, that allows then to align themselves with the Earth's magnetic field.
 * 1) A supposed organ, in some animals, that allows then to align themselves with the Earth's magnetic field.

Translations

 * Finnish: magneettinen kompassi
 * French: boussole magnétique
 * Galician: compás magnético
 * Greek: μαγνητική πυξίδα
 * Italian: bussola magnetica
 * Japanese:
 * Polish:
 * Romanian: busolă magnetică
 * Swedish: magnetkompass
 * Tagalog: balniing paraluman

title: magnetic compass


text:
spiritus

Etymology
From. .

Noun

 * 1) A breathing.
 * 2) An aspirate.
 * 3) Any spirituous preparation.

Etymology
, from or related to.

Noun

 * 1) ethanol

Etymology
From.

Noun
(in sense 2)

 * 1) methylated spirit
 * 2)  A kind of diacritic used on Ancient Greek vowels to indicate aspiration or lack thereof. See spiritus asper and spiritus lenis.
 * 1)  A kind of diacritic used on Ancient Greek vowels to indicate aspiration or lack thereof. See spiritus asper and spiritus lenis.

Etymology
From, from. .

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1) air, breath, breathing
 * 2) light breeze
 * 3) spirit, ghost
 * 4) mind
 * 5) energy; courage
 * 6) pride, haughtiness, arrogance
 * 1) energy; courage
 * 2) pride, haughtiness, arrogance
 * 1) pride, haughtiness, arrogance
 * 1) pride, haughtiness, arrogance

title: spiritus


text:
magnetic declination

Noun

 * 1) The horizontal angle between magnetic north and true north at a given place.

Usage notes
In nautical and aeronautical navigation, the term magnetic variation is used instead of magnetic declination and the angle is termed variation of the compass or magnetic variation. Magnetic declination is not otherwise synonymous with magnetic variation, which refers to regular or irregular change with time of the magnetic declination, dip, or intensity.

Translations

 * Finnish: ,
 * Galician:
 * Polish:
 * Romanian:

title: magnetic declination


text:
magnetic variation

Noun

 * 1)  In navigation, at a given place and time, the horizontal angle between the true north and magnetic north measured east or west according to whether magnetic north lies east or west of true north.
 * 2)  In cartography, the annual change in direction of the horizontal component of the Earth’s magnetic field.

Translations

 * Finnish:
 * Romanian: variație magnetică
 * Tagalog: balniing kaaligan

title: magnetic variation


text:
satirize

Verb

 * 1) To make a satire of; to mock.

Translations

 * Arabic: هجا
 * Bulgarian:
 * Catalan:
 * Galician: satirizar
 * German: satirisieren,, , lächerlich machen
 * Italian: ridicolizzare, fare satira, prendersi gioco
 * Latin: cavillor
 * Maori: whakarōrā
 * Russian: ,
 * Spanish: ,
 * Swedish:, satirisera över,
 * Ukrainian: висмі́ювати

title: satirize


text:
parens

Alternative forms

 * (Contemporary French)

Etymology 1
From an old form of the present participle of the verb. Compare the regular present participle.

Noun

 * 1) parent
 * 2) founder, father
 * 3) * a. 27 BC, Marcus Terentius Varro, De Lingua Latina, Book VIII, Chapter XXXVII.66
 * Quæ si esset in analogia, negant ullum casum duobus modis debuisse dici; quod fit contra...Nam sine reprehensione vulgo alii dicunt in singulari hac ovi et avi, alii hac ove et ave; in multitudinis hæ puppis restis et hæ puppes restes; item quod in patrico casu hoc genus dispariliter dicuntur civitatum parentum et civitatium parentium, in accusandi hos montes fontes et hos montis fontis.
 * If regularity existed, they say, no case ought to be used in two forms; but the opposite is found to occur...For without censure quite commonly some say in the ablative singular ovi ('sheep') and avi ('bird'); others say ove and ave; in the plural, the nominative puppis ('ship's sterns') and restis ('ropes'), also puppes and restes; likewise there is the fact that in the genitive plural of words of this class are used the variant forms civitatum ('of states'), parentum ('of parents'), and civitatium, parentium ('of parents'), and in the accusative plural montes ('mountains'), fontes ('springs'), and montis, fontis.
 * If regularity existed, they say, no case ought to be used in two forms; but the opposite is found to occur...For without censure quite commonly some say in the ablative singular ovi ('sheep') and avi ('bird'); others say ove and ave; in the plural, the nominative puppis ('ship's sterns') and restis ('ropes'), also puppes and restes; likewise there is the fact that in the genitive plural of words of this class are used the variant forms civitatum ('of states'), parentum ('of parents'), and civitatium, parentium ('of parents'), and in the accusative plural montes ('mountains'), fontes ('springs'), and montis, fontis.

Etymology 2
Present active participle of.

Adjective

 * 1) obedient
 * 2) subject to

title: parens


text:
Talk:disambiguations

meaning of disambiguation and white noise?

title: Talk:disambiguations


text:
anisogamy

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1) A form of sexual bonding involving partners of unusually widely differing ages.
 * 2)  Sexual reproduction involving the union or fusion of two dissimilar gametes.

Translations

 * Catalan: ,
 * Finnish: anisogamia
 * Irish: ainiseagamacht
 * Italian: anisogamia
 * Polish: anizogamia, heterogamia
 * Portuguese: anisogamia, heterogamia

title: anisogamy


text:
anisogamous

Etymology
From.

Adjective

 * 1) being married to someone whose age differs by an unusually large degree from one's own.
 * 2) having a sexual partner whose age differs by an unusually large degree from one's own.

title: anisogamous


text: Category:hy:Animals

title: Category:hy:Animals


text:
գորտ

Etymology
.

Noun

 * 1) frog
 * 2)  tally stick

Etymology
From. Cognates include 🇨🇬, 🇨🇬, and 🇨🇬.

Noun

 * 1) frog

title: գորտ


text:
շուն

Etymology
.

Noun

 * 1) dog

Etymology
.

Noun

 * 1) dog
 * 2)  adulterer or adulteress
 * 3)  Canis Major
 * 1)  Canis Major

title: շուն


text:
թռչուն

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1) bird

Adjective

 * 1) bird, fowl

Adjective

 * 1) flying, volatile

title: թռչուն


text:
թողություն

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1)  remission; remitment
 * 2) pardon, forgiving
 * 1) pardon, forgiving

title: թողություն


text:
հնդկահավ

Noun

 * 1) turkey

title: հնդկահավ


text:
շնաձուկ

Etymology
From. Compare 🇨🇬 and 🇨🇬, both referring to one of the types of shark.

Noun

 * 1) shark

title: շնաձուկ


text:
կետ

Etymology 1
From.

Noun

 * 1)  whale

Etymology 2
From.

Noun

 * 1) point, dot
 * 2) post, office, station
 * 3) paragraph, item, clause
 * 4)  time
 * 5)  obstacle
 * 6) name for one of the khazes in 's notation, indicating a note one beat long
 * 1) name for one of the khazes in 's notation, indicating a note one beat long

Adjective

 * 1)  odd of numbers

Etymology 3
From.

Noun

 * 1)  a kind of fly that chases calves

title: կետ


text:
anisonogamist

Noun

 * 1) One who is married to someone whose age is unusually different to their own.
 * 2) One who has a sexual partner whose age is unusually different to their own.

title: anisonogamist


text:
ռնգեղջյուր

Etymology
.

Noun

 * 1) rhinoceros

Usage notes
In colloquial speech Russian is used instead.

title: ռնգեղջյուր


text:
արջ

Etymology
.

Noun

 * 1) bear

Etymology
From. The irregular is probably to be explained by taboo or an influence of.

Noun

 * 1) bear
 * 2)  Ursa
 * 3) carpenter's tool used in smoothing surfaces
 * 1)  Ursa
 * 2) carpenter's tool used in smoothing surfaces
 * 1) carpenter's tool used in smoothing surfaces
 * 1) carpenter's tool used in smoothing surfaces

title: արջ


text:
առյուծ

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1) lion

title: առյուծ


text:
վագր

Pronunciation

Noun

 * 1) tiger

Etymology
Together with 🇨🇬 borrowed from an unattested word related to or borrowed from.

Noun

 * 1) tiger

title: վագր


text:
շիկամուկ

Noun

 * 1) brown rat

title: շիկամուկ


text:
սարդ

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1) spider

Etymology 1
From, from.

Noun

 * 1) spider

Etymology 2
The origin is. Perhaps borrowed from a source related to the etymon of. Compare also 🇨🇬, 🇨🇬, 🇨🇬.

Noun

 * 1) cedar of Lebanon,

Etymology 3
The origin is.

Noun

 * 1)  the starling

title: սարդ


text:
կոկորդիլոս

Etymology
,.

Noun

 * 1) crocodile

Usage notes
In colloquial speech 🇨🇬 is used instead.

Etymology
Borrowing from.

Noun

 * 1) crocodile
 * 2) big lizard
 * 1) big lizard
 * 1) big lizard

title: կոկորդիլոս


text:
ոչխար

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1) sheep
 * 2)  a timid, shy person who is easily led by others

Etymology
A borrowing: compare 🇨🇬, 🇨🇬 and their cognate 🇨🇬.

Noun

 * 1) sheep

title: ոչխար


text:
այծ

Etymology
. The dialectal forms are inherited.

Noun

 * 1) goat

Etymology
.    See also.

Noun

 * 1) goat usually she-goat

title: այծ


text:
Հարավսլավիա

Proper noun

 * 1) Yugoslavia

title: Հարավսլավիա


text: Կանադա

title: Կանադա


text:
երկուշաբթի

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1) Monday

title: երկուշաբթի


text:
կիրակի

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1) Sunday

title: կիրակի


text:
երեքշաբթի

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1) Tuesday

title: երեքշաբթի


text:
չորեքշաբթի

Etymology
From ; see it for more.

Noun

 * 1) Wednesday

title: չորեքշաբթի


text:
հինգշաբթի

Etymology
From ; see it for more.

Noun

 * 1) Thursday

title: հինգշաբթի


text:
ուրբաթ

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1) Friday

Etymology
From borrowed from.

Noun

 * 1) Friday

title: ուրբաթ


text:
slacktivism

Noun

 * 1)  Half-hearted activism, usually in the form of posting badges, images, apps, or text on social media without taking further action.

title: slacktivism


text:
User:Andyluciano/monobook.css

.infl-inline {display:none} .infl-table {display:inline}

title: User:Andyluciano/monobook.css


text:
User:Fabartus

My wikihome is w:user talk:fabartus or commons:user talk:fabartus. I bounce back in forth roughly 70:30.

My user page is a mess, but feel free to snoop! w:user:fabartus

Please feel free to email me at fabartus-at-comcast.net or via fabartus-at-gmail.com. Fra nkB 01:54, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

title: User:Fabartus


text: Carribean

title: Carribean


text:
Rhymes:English/eɪmiən

Pronunciation
-āmēən, /-eɪmiən/, /-eImi@n/

Three syllables

 * Damian, Damien
 * Ramean
 * Samian

Four syllables

 * agamian
 * Bahamian (one pronunciation)
 * potamian (one pronunciation)

Five syllables

 * Alabamian
 * didynamian
 * monogamian (one pronunciation)
 * prothalamion
 * Verulamian

Six syllables

 * hippopotamian
 * Mesopotamian

title: Rhymes:English/eɪmiən


text:
Rhymes:English/æmiə

Pronunciation
-ămēə, /-æmiə/, /-{mi@/

Five syllables

 * cryptogamia
 * Monogamia (one pronunciation)

Six syllables

 * Phanerogamia

title: Rhymes:English/æmiə


text:
Talk:hootin' tootin'

Rod (A. Smith) 05:28, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

 * This looks OK, at first blush; we should have this idiomatic entry at this base form, with the alternates redirecting to it, right? --Connel MacKenzie 18:06, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

 * rfvpassed. Andrew massyn 06:36, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

RFV discussion: May 2021
"Of or pertaining to hooliganism. We'll have a hootin' tootin' gay ol' time!" What does a good time have to do with hooliganism? Other GBooks uses I can see include "a hootin'-tootin' barn dance" and "she's turned into a hootin', tootin' seaport, all disguised in wavin' flags an' banners". Neither sounds violent. Equinox ◑ 02:32, 23 May 2021 (UTC)

 * cited. I have added a separate definition for those nonviolent uses. Kiwima (talk) 03:47, 23 May 2021 (UTC)

 * Well, shouldn't we merge the (now) senses 1 and 2, which all seem to fit equally well under "rowdy; boisterous and noisy"? Equinox ◑ 16:28, 23 May 2021 (UTC)
 * That seems fine with me. I put a bunch of citations on the citations page which seem to fall in the murky zone between the two. Kiwima (talk) 21:48, 23 May 2021 (UTC)

RFV-resolved Kiwima (talk) 22:14, 30 May 2021 (UTC)

title: Talk:hootin' tootin'


text:
Rhymes:English/æmiən

Pronunciation

 * ,, /-{mi@n/

title: Rhymes:English/æmiən


text:
Rhymes:English/æmiəs

Pronunciation
-ămēəs, /-æmiəs/, /-{mi@s/

Three syllables

 * flammeous

title: Rhymes:English/æmiəs


text:
ongni

Noun

 * 1) the husband of one's father's sister
 * 2) the wife one one's mother's brother

title: ongni


text: Category:Krisa nouns

title: Category:Krisa nouns


text:
Rhymes:English/æniə

Pronunciation
-ănēə, /-æniə/, /-{ni@/

Four syllables

 * Britannia
 * Hispania
 * latania (one pronunciation)
 * leishmania (one pronunciation)
 * ratanhia
 * sparmannia

title: Rhymes:English/æniə


text: Category:Krisa language

title: Category:Krisa language


text: Category:ksi:Family

title: Category:ksi:Family


text:
Talk:embiggen

RFV
Humorous entry predates rfv, does not seem to meet CFI. --Connel MacKenzie T C 21:00, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
 * I'm afraid I'm not all that familiar with the rfv procedures, but it doesn't seem like this word really belongs here: its history and meaning are well known. The question is more whether neologisms from tv shows can be valid Wiktionary entries. It seems to me they should be as 1. the fanbase will inevitably end up using the word, and 2. people will inevitably end up looking up the word. Theshibboleth 10:15, 2 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, I think this word is perfectly cromulent. BD2412 T 23:15, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

It seems to have entered general usage. Rfv passed. 06:45, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

Restore RFV that apparently was removed incorrectly. Perusing b.g.c., I see three secondary sources that all pertain to the same source. --Connel MacKenzie 18:12, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

 * Being a Simpson's television series neologism, a nonce word, it isn't really an "English word" since the Simpson's universe isn't real. This should be clearly noted somehow. (Of course, unless the word becomes absorbed into standard English.) __meco 18:27, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

 * Is this perhaps a hapax legomenon? (Albeit one which is more likely to see further future use.) Some others are aequeosalinocalcalinoceraceoaluminosocupreovitriolic, honorificabilitudinitatibus, and pneumonoultramicroscopicsilicovolcanoconiosis. I consider WT:CFI as more or less Wiktionary’s equivalent of Wikipedia’s notability criteria (though more objectively defined). CFI is, of course, imperfect, and the way it omits hapax legomena — the most famous of which really ought to be included — is a failing thereof. Embiggen (and cromulent) ought to be retained, despite probably not satisfying the inclusion criteria. † Raifʻhār Doremítzwr 12:07, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

 * No, a hapax legomenon occurs only once in a corpus; embiggen is used repeatedly in the Simpsons, including several inflections ("embiggens", "enbiggened"). And look at this formal paper on superstring theory (see bottom of page 27), would be fairly simple to cite independent use. (WP has another reference to the use in D-brane theory. Robert Ullmann 12:38, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

 * I stand corrected. My criticism of CFI in re its omission of hapax legomena still applies however (nota bene that we don’t have aequeosalino…cupreovitriolic) — though not urgent, CFI should be tweaked to make these notable uniquities qualify for inclusion. As Robert as shown, this does not apply to embiggen; however, it looks like it may satisfy CFI… I’ll go add the superstring theory paper citation now. † Raifʻhār Doremítzwr 14:13, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

I’ve just added a third citation, so this term is no verified. However, nota bene that the third citation is from 1884 — which means that the etymology may require a rewrite… (Actually, on second thoughts, the etymological reference to the Simpsons is gone, and this word was intended as a nonce in the 1884 use as well… never mind after all.) † Raifʻhār Doremítzwr 21:55, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

RFV passed DAVilla 22:04, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

Derived from embolden?
Does embiggen have any connection with the word embolden? The meanings are almost identical as well as their pronunciation/spelling. -- MacAddct1984  15:30, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

 * Both words were formed by the same process of circumfixation; that’s the only link I’m aware of. †  ﴾(u):Raifʻhār (t):Doremítzwr﴿ 12:15, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

Connection to Dr Suess' 'biggered'
I seem to recall that Dr Suess used 'biggered' in The Lorax. For example: "I biggered my factory". Aren't these different tenses of the same word?

 * and would be synonyms and in the same tense, whereas undefined: and  would be different tenses (simple past / past participle, and present participle, respectively) of the same word. †  ﴾(u):Raifʻhār (t):Doremítzwr﴿ 12:22, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

Search for citation:Notes and Queries: A Medium of Intercommunication for Literary Men
Okay, this is not a question of legitimacy, but rather citation. I searched the referenced 1884 text (gutenberg) for the word, and did not find it. So, my question is, is the citation of it's presence in the text "Notes and Queries: A Medium of Intercommunication for Literary Men" valid? Can someone reprove this, or should that cite be stricken, letting the validity of the word rely on it's use in 'The Simpsons's,' (which might in and of itself be valid.)

 * See the fourth hit yielded by Google Book Search; the citation is legitimate. BTW, please sign your posts on talk pages and in other discussion fora with four tildes (4 × ‘~’). †  ﴾(u):Raifʻhār (t):Doremítzwr﴿ 12:14, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

 * The Google Books search no longer turns up the text in question, but here is a link to page 135 of the scanned original 1884 text at the Internet Archive. Note that a search for "embiggen" in the plaintext version will report no matches, due to an understandable failure in optical character recognition, but the word clearly appears near the end of C.A. Ward's letter, a little over halfway down in the second column: "... but the people magnified them, to make great or embiggen, if we may invent an English parallel as ugly." --Shad0 04:50, 30 November 2011 (UTC)

'prebilabial intensifying verbal circumfix'
Has shown up for comedic effect in at least one webcomic, but is still obnoxious. It's needless to mention circumfixation, as the possession of pre- & suffixes already covers that; all (normal) circumfixes are verbal; and prebilabial is a reference to pronunciation, not etymology. It suits the tone of the word, but is still meaningless, inappropriate jargon. -LlywelynII 08:06, 30 May 2010 (UTC)

fake
are we seriously making pages for fictional words from the simpsons now? or was it a real and obscure thing
 * It doesn't matter where a word comes from, as long as it's in use outside the source. Many "real" words were "fictional" when Shakespeare used them for the first time. LtPowers (talk) 13:58, 27 August 2015 (UTC)

source of fame
wouldn't be it be ok to mention the Simpsons in the article? --Ysangkok (talk) 23:10, 17 April 2016 (UTC)

title: Talk:embiggen


text:
Krisa

Proper noun

 * 1) the language of this village and the surrounding area.
 * 1) the language of this village and the surrounding area.

Synonyms

 * I'saka

title: Krisa


text:
Talk:pull my finger

It's a common phrase, but since it doesn't actually convey meaning beyond the strict literal sense, it doesn't seem to belong here. Rod (A. Smith) 05:36, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Move to RfD. Then D.  Widsith 10:34, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
 * So how are we supposed to understand "Hey Adam, pull my finger"? or these  ? Kappa 11:13, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

 * I agree, the meaning cannot be guessed from the words. It implies that the finger is a fart lever. Keep. —Stephen 12:08, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep per Stephen. bd2412 T 17:05, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

 * Keep, strongly idiomatic. --Connel MacKenzie 18:03, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

 * (I don't think voting applies here.) Although the joke with its physical comedy may attribute an unexpected effect to the act of pulling a finger, the phrase as it is used within the joke is a literal use of the non-idiomatic components of the phrase. That is, the person playing the joke uses the words in their plain and non-idiomatic way when he or she says them to the mark. The mark is not supposed to interpret the words idiomatically, so no idiomatic meaning is intended by the phrase itself. Valid citations would have to demonstrate some idiomatic use of the phrase itself, not an idiomatic implication of a joke that contains the literal use of the phrase. Rod (A. Smith) 22:56, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

 * The set phrase is not used outside of the context of that joke, though, except as allusions to the joke. That is, in a serious board room meeting, someone asks for a particular opinion, and the boss responds "well...pull my finger" it is not a direct request that the person act out the actual finger-pulling.  Rather, it would be equivalent to that same boss saying "your idea smells like shit."  How are real citations supposed to be found when there are millions of examples (of the direct joke) to wade through?  It is ridiculous to suggest that this entry doesn't belong in Wiktionary.  How would someone learning English possibly be able to figure it out?  --Connel MacKenzie 08:59, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
 * By practical application? :) Andrew massyn 06:50, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

Harmless, interesting in its own way, although I am not sure of the second definition. RFVpassed. Andrew massyn 06:50, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

Request for deletion
A previous RFV passed without citations being provided (see Talk:pull_my_finger). However, I don't doubt that it can be cited, and this is an RFD. Same rationale, though: "It's a common phrase, but since it doesn't actually convey meaning beyond the strict literal sense, it doesn't seem to belong here." Stephen said "I agree, the meaning cannot be guessed from the words. It implies that the finger is a fart lever"; but that is not the implied meaning, is it? It is just a literal request for the person to pull the finger. If it meant "I am going to fart", it would be a standard idiom, not the joke/prank. This seems like having an entry for "Look into my eyes" (stating that it implies hypnotism) or even "Hand it over" (implying, unguessably!, that money is wanted when a bank robber says it). Equinox ◑ 23:09, 12 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm of two minds about this one, but I did find one attributive use in b.g.c. (for "Pull My Finger" conditional program). --EncycloPetey 23:23, 12 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep, I think. With respect to meaning, it seems quite clear to me that the expression has a meaning and not a literal one (i.e, it is not simply SOP) and that the meaning is pretty specific.  It is a humorous or insulting challenge, inviting the interlocutor to induce a fart in the speaker.  Equinox's 2 examples are arguably not in quite the same situation, since "look into my eyes" can have a very wide range of contexts and implied meanings and "hand it over" contains the wide-open pronoun "it".  But, what endears me most to this entry is the fact that the first time I encountered it I found it quite useful.  I had never known what "Pull my finger" meant, though I'd heard it a few times (the most recent when Michael Caine uttered it, mockingly to the bad guys, in Children of Men).  This entry explained it to me, performing precisely the function that a dictionary is intended to perform.  So I think it's a valid, helpful entry. -- WikiPedant 00:27, 14 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I don't think it is easy to cite in lower case. Most uses are in upper case and seem to derive from novelty dolls. And many are in quotes which makes it more likely that they are mentions. OTOH there might be enough in attributive use to support the upper case version. I found one for lower case. DCDuring TALK 01:03, 14 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Weekly World News, v. 20, no. 49, Aug 31, 1999, Page 23:
 * Gasbag hubby makes me pull his finger! Dear Dotti: My husband makes a big show of passing gas and actually makes me pull his finger when friends or neighbors drop by.
 * 2007, Andrew B Brandi, The Warrior's Guide to Insanity, p. 68:
 * He's not asking you to pull his finger, and he doesn't belch in front of your friends, demonstrating some new form of human speech.
 * 2006, Larry the Cable Guy, Git-R-Done, 143:
 * I remember he actually teared up at his father's funeral. Later I realized it was because he had told the deacon to pull his finger at the gravesite and he farted. He was crying so hard from laughing, it looked like he was in mourning.
 * Based on the foregoing, move to pull one's finger. bd2412 T 02:16, 14 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I agree, but it should probably be pull someone's finger. Leave pull my finger as a redirect. -- WikiPedant 03:56, 14 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Or more simply pull a finger, since that has a fair amount of usage as well. A possessive pronoun is not a necessary component of this phrase. — Carolina wren discussió 04:23, 14 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Kept for no consensus.--Jusjih 02:09, 29 March 2010 (UTC)

title: Talk:pull my finger


text: Category:ksi:Mammals

title: Category:ksi:Mammals


text: Category:ksi:Vertebrates

title: Category:ksi:Vertebrates


text: Category:ksi:Animals

title: Category:ksi:Animals


text: Category:ksi:Nature

title: Category:ksi:Nature


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wèi

Noun

 * 1) language

title: wèi


text: Category:ksi:Language

title: Category:ksi:Language


text: Category:ksi:Communication

title: Category:ksi:Communication


text: Category:ksi:Human

title: Category:ksi:Human


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susuwáng

Noun

 * 1) dragonfly

title: susuwáng


text: Category:ksi:Insects

title: Category:ksi:Insects


text: Category:ksi:Arthropods

title: Category:ksi:Arthropods


text:
yùng

Noun

 * 1) bird

title: yùng


text: Category:ksi:Birds

title: Category:ksi:Birds


text:
kùng

Noun

 * 1) egg

title: kùng


text:
duwe

Noun

 * 1) dog

Numeral

 * 1) two

title: duwe


text: Category:ksi:Dogs

title: Category:ksi:Dogs


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makaingko

Noun

 * 1) ant

title: makaingko


text:
dapu

Noun

 * 1) crocodile, alligator

Noun

 * 1) nose

Noun

 * 1) sister-in-law (when used by a woman)

title: dapu


text:
yá

Etymology
From. Compare 🇨🇬.

Adverb

 * 1) now
 * 2) already
 * 3) in the near future; soon
 * 4) immediately
 * 5) anymore; no longer
 * 6) emphatical
 * ¡Yá lo sé!
 * I know!
 * not only...
 * 1)  (emphatical) yes, of course
 * sí, yá lo sé
 * yes, I know
 * 1)  since, as
 * yá que tas equí
 * as you're here

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1) tobacco

Noun

 * 1) pig

Noun

 * 1) water

Noun

 * 1) hair

Romanization

 * 1) 邤
 * 1) 邤
 * 1) 邤
 * 1) 邤
 * 1) 邤
 * 1) 邤
 * 1) 邤
 * 1) 邤
 * 1) 邤
 * 1) 邤
 * 1) 邤
 * 1) 邤
 * 1) 邤
 * 1) 邤
 * 1) 邤
 * 1) 邤
 * 1) 邤
 * 1) 邤
 * 1) 邤
 * 1) 邤
 * 1) 邤
 * 1) 邤

Postposition

 * 1) for him/her/it/them

Etymology 2
From. Cognate with 🇨🇬, 🇨🇬, 🇨🇬, 🇨🇬, 🇨🇬, 🇨🇬, and with 🇨🇬.

Noun

 * 1) sky

Verb

 * 1) leave

Synonyms

 * kebuy
 * nɛ

title: yá


text:
tanú

Etymology
Borrowed from a language before the times of the  (at the turn of the 9th and 10th centuries). Compare Uyghur tanuq, Tatar tanïk and see the other terms derived from 🇨🇬.

Noun

 * 1) witness someone called to give evidence in a court
 * 2) witness someone called upon to witness an event or action, such as a wedding or the signing of a document
 * 3)  being a witness of…, i.e., witnessing something see the examples and Usage notes at

Noun

 * 1) head

title: tanú


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Talk:ginge

Verb: to ginge: Action of posting an already posted link/article/joke etc, to the newsgroup uk.rec.motorcycles

 * 4.5 million hits for ginge. I checked the first five pages on google hit list and a further five random pages. Lots of hits for people with ginger hair. Ginge is a town in Ethiopia. Ginge is the name of a cat in Antarctica. No verification for the sense set out above. Rfv failed. Andrew massyn 07:14, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

title: Talk:ginge


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mái

Noun

 * 1) water

Noun

 * 1) maguey, century plant.

Noun

 * 1) tongue

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1) water

Etymology 1
From.

Adjective

 * 1)  female
 * 2)  female
 * 1)  female
 * 1)  female

Usage notes

 * Less common than when used for "fish", although it is not rare nor uncommon.

Etymology 2
From.

Noun

 * 1) roof
 * 2) bangs; fringe
 * 1) bangs; fringe

Usage notes

 * Not to be confused with.

Classifier

 * 1) indicates all of someone's headhair

title: mái


text:
dóula

Noun

 * 1) armpit

title: dóula


text:
aʼng

Noun

 * 1) a fly

title: aʼng


text: Category:Krisa pronouns

title: Category:Krisa pronouns


text:
moni pung

Noun

 * 1) the younger sister of one's mother
 * 2) the wife of one's father's younger brother

title: moni pung


text:
insentient

Adjective

 * 1) Having no consciousness or animation; not sentient.
 * 2) Insensitive, indifferent.

Translations

 * Bulgarian:

title: insentient


text:
Talk:punt

Punt: A visit to a prostitute. The closest I could get was punter: A prostitute's client. Ref. Consice Oxford, Websters and other sources. The disputed sense has been removed. Andrew massyn 07:28, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

Jargon/Bunt
I'm looking at the Jargon Files entry on Punt and wondering if that meaning (roughly "to pass off") may be a confusion of Bunt. 141.149.15.203 02:43, 29 April 2007 (UTC)

 * American football has the term "punt"; it is simply a figurative derivation from the American football use. --Connel MacKenzie 03:01, 29 April 2007 (UTC)
 * A little more: a "punt" in Amer. fb is where the kicker kicks the ball, so that when the other team retrieves it, they will start the next down waaaaay down the field where they catch the punt, rather than from wherever you are currently. It is still a bad move (as the other team now has the ball) but is used to prevent something worse (e.g. a quarterback sack) or leaving them a turnover close to your endzone.  In other words: a simple remedy to a (potentially) really bad situation.  --Connel MacKenzie 03:05, 29 April 2007 (UTC)

 * Or were you simply pointing out that one of our definitions is listed under the wrong etymology? Fixing that now...  --Connel MacKenzie 03:06, 29 April 2007 (UTC)

Two more noun meanings for punt should be added to the definition: 1. The indentation in the bottom of many wine bottles. 2. A football, rugby, etc. kick of a ball dropped from the hand and kicked before the ball hits the ground.

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Talk:slacktivism

Definition given was completely wrong. Definition that replaced it is pretty far off too. Slack --> slacker --> slackware (Linux distribution) --> slactivism (rabid promoters of that distro...no signs of laziness at all.) --Connel MacKenzie 07:30, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

title: Talk:slacktivism


text:
Britcom

Etymology
.

Noun

 * 1)  A British sitcom.

Usage notes
This term is sometimes used more broadly, to include British television shows that are made up of many short humorous skits that use recurring characters, but which do not have a story line that continues from show to show (sketch comedies).

title: Britcom


text:
moni baʼ

Noun

 * 1) the elder sister of one's mother
 * 2) the wife of one's father's elder brother

title: moni baʼ


text:
bus buddy

Noun

 * 1) A person (either employed or volunteer) who helps aged or disabled people to use public transport

title: bus buddy


text:
tani pung

Noun

 * 1) the younger brother of one's father
 * 2) the husband of one's mother's younger sister

title: tani pung


text:
tani baʼ

Noun

 * 1) the elder brother of one's father
 * 2) the husband of one's mother's elder sister

title: tani baʼ


text:
yelie

Noun

 * 1) star

title: yelie


text: Category:ksi:Sciences

title: Category:ksi:Sciences


text:
tiʼ

Noun

 * 1) fire

title: tiʼ


text:
dentate

Etymology
.

Adjective

 * 1) Having teeth or toothlike projections; serrated, toothed.

Synonyms

 * See Thesaurus:notched

Translations

 * Bulgarian:
 * Czech: zubatý
 * Dutch:
 * Finnish:
 * French: ,

Adjective

 * 1) jagged
 * 2) toothed

title: dentate


text: ebonies

title: ebonies


text:
Talk:purple

 * 1) (In the modern United States) May support the Democratic or Republican Party (purple states, states that vote for Democratic or Republican Party in general, being red states in some given elections and blue states in other given elections).

 * I have moved this def to purple state which already has a definition. Andrew massyn 09:23, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

purple
Some people I know use "purple" to refer somewhat euphemistically to public displays of affection/ boy-girl relationships: boys are blue, girls are red, don't make purple. is this used elsewhere or worthy of mention here? 24.56.166.100

 * Depends. Is it just some people you know, or has it been used more widely in published sources that would meet WT:CFI? Equinox ◑ 21:59, 24 March 2010 (UTC)

 * I don't know. I haven't seen it anywhere except in this circle of friends, but it didn't sound quite like something they invented. 24.56.166.100

 * Ask them where they got it from :) Equinox ◑ 22:13, 24 March 2010 (UTC)

 * Hehe. Well, here's a site (unrelated to us) explaining it http://stuffchristianslike.net/2009/08/making-purple-11-ways-to-stop-camp-kissing-2/ . I don't know if it's wide spread enough to add here, but it is usually used as "make purple". 24.56.166.100

 * Hm. I searched for a few forms and nothing pops up from Google Books. I found one mention of the whole phrase on Google Groups, on alt.newlywed in a thread called A thought about honesty...: "Boys are blue, and girls are red, so don't make purple!" The writer was describing how the phrase might be used. Equinox ◑ 22:27, 24 March 2010 (UTC)

 * so it wouldn't be qualified to add here, then? :/ 24.56.166.100

Why is this in "English reduplications"?
Equinox ◑ 14:51, 19 April 2015 (UTC)

title: Talk:purple


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Talk:defatigable

Sorry, Dvortygirl, but I only know this as indefatigable. Can you come up with a reasonably unrecent citation? I think the etymology is in+de+ yet unattested English fatigable (to fatigue), and pro'ly has nothing to do with Latin or French. My 2 cents.--Allamakee Democrat 08:11, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

 * It (indefatigable) was borrowed in one piece from the French indefatigable back in the 1500s, from Latin indefatigabilis, "that cannot be wearied" (in-de-fati-agos, "not utterly driven to crack"). Defatigable is a back formation that I am unfamiliar with. —Stephen 10:26, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

 * here are 347 links, for anyone that cares to start adding them. --Connel MacKenzie 18:02, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

 * Backformation indeed. Enough quotes in the OED, even in the SOED. — Vildricianus 18:19, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

 * Ok, I started going through the google books link User:Connel MacKenzie gave, and the first three pages of full + restricted, and the first four pages of just unrestricted views, have exactly one good match, the rest being scannos primarily due to hyphenation. (caveat - some of the restricted pages I couldn't access, but after seeing some context, most of those seemed likely hyphenations as well.)   All the matches at UVA's Etext resource are also scannos.  I put the good match on the def page, but I'm giving up on this for now...anyone else have a couple to add? Jeffqyzt 00:27, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

I have added the etym taken from Websters 1902. Rfv passed even though I dont like it. I have also moved it to Appendix:Orphaned words. Andrew massyn 09:45, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

title: Talk:defatigable


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Talk:沙發

Chinese for sofa - from dodgy contributor. SemperBlotto 22:49, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

 * I think he managed to get this one right. —Stephen 23:22, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

 * The term is correct. However, if it is not already, I think it should be a Wiktionary policy for people to avoid making these kinds of incomplete and uninformative entries!  The reason that this entry got tagged in the first place was that it did not contain enough information to allow others to verify its accuracy.  Take a look at the entry after my additions, and see if you don't agree with me.

A-cai 23:52, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

 * In general, we are much less tolerant than Wikipedia. Often an entry such as this would be deleted (whereas on Wikipedia it would be marked as a stub, to allow for the piranha effect.)  That said, I am very happy with your cleanup, A-cai!  --Connel MacKenzie T C 07:01, 11 March 2006 (UTC)

Rfvpassed. Andrew massyn 10:04, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

To add to entry
To add to this entry: why this term is used to refer to the first comment made on a website. 173.88.246.138 07:12, 1 April 2020 (UTC)

title: Talk:沙發


text:
Talk:platypodes

From rfv:

A contributor is insisting that platypodes is a correct English plural of platypus. I think it isn’t correct English. Is there evidence to show that it is an English plural? —Stephen 17:20, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

 * I checked on this myself. The plural platypodes is not recognized by U.S. dictionaries such as the Random House and American Heritage, nor by Fowler. On the Wikipedia page English plural, it states:
 * The Greek plural for words ending in -pus (gr. poûs) meaning "foot", such as octopus and platypus, is -podes, but this plural is rare for octopus and has never been accepted for platypus. —Stephen 17:57, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

 * According to this website, the Australian OED lists platypodes as a plural form; I do not have access to this resource, does anyone care to check? Doremítzwr 18:17, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

 * The latest draft ot the new edition of the international OED lists platypodes, and marks it as rare. It has no quotations for it yet though. --Ptcamn 08:51, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

 * Is that sufficient for its inclusion in Wiktionary? Doremítzwr 10:56, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

 * Probably not, if is still valid.

 * --Connel MacKenzie 07:51, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

 * Ok, I've created an entry for platypodes and given three cites (from USENET.) All the book quotes I found were to the effect of "this is how platypus should be pluralized."  I also left a usage note there indicating that it was less common than the plurals listed back on platypus, even though it's classically based.  (Interestingly enough, there seems to also be a group of birds that was (formerly?) known as Platypodes, but as most of the usage was in French or Latin, I didn't add at this time.)  I have *not* added a reference on the platypus page.  Thoughts on whether one should be added? Jeffqyzt 00:15, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

 * Do your three citations not qualify as verification of usage? Should platypodes not, therefore, be included as a legitimate plural form of platypus? Raifʻhār Doremítzwr 17:12, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

 * I would say yes, but with some kind of comment indicating that the usage is much less common. I'm just not sure of precedent.  If someone can point me to an article with a similar situation?  Jeffqyzt 01:25, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

Why has Stephen G. Brown removed any reference to the plural form platypodes from the entry for platypus again? The usage has clearly been verified by now. Raifʻhār Doremítzwr 11:48, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

I have moved this discussion to the talk page of platypodes. Andrew massyn 10:11, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wug_test

title: Talk:platypodes


text: שבע עשרה

title: שבע עשרה


text:
שבעה עשר

Numeral

 * 1)  seventeen

Usage notes

 * In colloquial Modern Hebrew, the form is often used regardless of gender.

title: שבעה עשר


text:
שמונה עשרה

Proper noun

 * 1)  the Amidah

title: שמונה עשרה


text:
שמונה עשר

Numeral

 * 1)  eighteen

Usage notes

 * In colloquial Modern Hebrew, the form is often used regardless of gender.

title: שמונה עשר


text: תשע עשרה

title: תשע עשרה


text:
תשעה עשר

Numeral

 * 1)  nineteen

Usage notes

 * In colloquial Modern Hebrew, the form is often used regardless of gender.

title: תשעה עשר


text:
עשרים

Etymology
From.

Numeral

 * 1)  twenty

title: עשרים


text:
שלושים

Etymology
From.

Numeral

 * 1)  thirty

Noun

 * 1) sheloshim (thirty days of mourning)

title: שלושים


text: שלשים

title: שלשים


text:
ארבעים

Etymology
From.

Numeral

 * 1)  forty

title: ארבעים


text:
Talk:dump

"A home for the homeless."? --Connel MacKenzie 17:59, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

 * homeless person = person who lives in a dump ??? DAVilla 22:08, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

This is an offensive association.Rfvfailed. Andrew massyn 10:56, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

REmoved usage note.
I took this out as it seems pov.

The ludicrous associations now attached to this word did not originally belong to it. Holland's translation of Livy represents the Romans as being in the dumps after the battle of Cannae. --Dmol 07:47, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

Another archaic meaning ?
There is another meaning, used by Romeo in Romeo & Juliet and by others around that time ("play me some merry dump to comfort me.") meaning a funereal dance. Pun possibly intended, not sure... 24.59.51.98 12:47, 7 April 2019 (UTC) (Schissel @ Wikipedia)

title: Talk:dump


text:
חמישים

Etymology
From.

Numeral

 * 1)  fifty

title: חמישים


text: חמשים

title: חמשים


text:
שישים

Etymology
From.

Numeral

 * 1)  sixty

title: שישים


text: ששים

title: ששים


text:
שמונים

Etymology
From.

Numeral

 * 1)  eighty

title: שמונים


text:
stage right

Etymology
+

Noun

 * 1)  The area to the right of the stage when looking towards the audience.
 * He enters stage right.

Translations

 * Finnish: näyttämöoikea
 * French:
 * Hungarian: rendezői bal
 * Japanese:

Adverb

 * 1)  Located at stage right.
 * 2)  Involving a change of whether one is involved in a situation.

title: stage right


text:
stage left

Etymology
+

Noun

 * 1)  The area to the left of the stage when looking towards the audience.

Translations

 * Finnish: näyttämövasen
 * French:
 * Japanese:

Adverb

 * 1)  Located at stage left.

title: stage left


text:
תשעים

Etymology
. Cognate with 🇨🇬.

Numeral

 * 1)  ninety

title: תשעים


text:
centre stage

Usage notes

 * Usually as part of the expression take centre stage.

title: centre stage


text:
center stage

Etymology
+

Noun

 * 1)  The area in the center of the stage, especially one towards the front.
 * 2)  An important or prominent position.

Translations

 * German: Bühnenmitte

title: center stage


text:
downstage

Adverb

 * 1) Toward or at the front of a theatrical stage.
 * 2) Towards a motion-picture or television camera.

Adjective

 * 1) At the front of a stage.

Noun

 * 1) The part of a stage that is closest to the audience or camera.

Verb

 * 1)  To restage downward; to restage (a case of a disease, usually a cancer) to a lower stage than that found at last assessment (compare ).

title: downstage


text:
understage

Adjective

 * 1)  underneath the stage

Noun

 * 1)  The area beneath a stage.

Verb

 * 1)  To underestimate the severity of a patient's illness

title: understage


text:
overstage

Adjective

 * 1)  Above the stage.

Verb

 * 1)  To overestimate the severity of a patient's illness.

title: overstage


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exocarp

Etymology
+ ;.

Noun

 * 1)  The outermost layer of the pericarp of fruits; the skin or epicarp

Related terms

 * exocarpic

Translations

 * Chinese:
 * Mandarin:
 * Dutch: exocarp
 * Finnish: eksokarppi
 * French:
 * Ido:
 * Polish: egzokarp
 * Romanian: ,
 * Russian: ,
 * Spanish: epicarpio
 * Tagalog: labasbalok

Etymology
.

Noun

 * 1) exocarpe

title: exocarp


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Category talk:Rohingya numbers

Rohingya Numbers from 0 to 10

0 sifír 1 ek 2 dui 3 tin 4 sair 5 fañs 6 só 7 háñt 8 añctho 9 no 10 doc

Rohingya Numbers from 11 to 20 11 egaro 12 baró 13 teró 14 soiddó 15 fudóro 16 cúlloh 17 háñtaroh 18 añçáro 19 unnúic 20 kuri

Rohingya Numbers from 21 to 30 21 ekkuri ek 22 ekkuri dui 23 ekkuri tin 24 ekkuri sair 25 ekkuri fañs 26 ekkuri só 27 ekkuri háñt 28 ekkuri añctho 29 ekkuri no 30 tiríc

Rohingya Numbers from 31 to 40 31 tiríc ek 32 tiríc dui 33 tiríc tin 34 tiríc sair 35 tiríc fañs 36 tiríc só 37 tiríc háñt 38 tiríc añctho 39 tiríc no 40 calic

Rohingya Numbers from 41 to 50 41 calic ek 42 calic dui 43 calic tin 44 calic sair 45 calic fañs 46 calic só 47 calic háñt 48 calic añctho 49 calic no 50 fonjaic

Rohingya Numbers 10,20,30,40,50,60,70,80,90,100 10 doc 20 kuri (ek-kuri) 30 tiríc 40 calic 50 fonjaic 60 áith (or háith or cáith) 70 óttoir ( or cóttoir) 80 ací 90 nobboi 100 cót (or ek-cót)

Rohingya Numbers 101-110 101 ekcó-ek (not ekcót-ek) 102 ekcó-duic 103 ekcó-tin 104 ekcó-sair 105 ekcó-fañs 106 ekcó-só 107 ekcó-háñt 108 ekcó-añctho 109 ekcó-no 110 ekcó-doc .... 111 ekcó-egaro 112 ekcó-baró .... 120 ekcó-kuri

Rohingya Numbers 100,200,300,400,500,600,700,800,1000 100 ek-cót 200 dui-cót 300 tin-cót 400 sair-cót 500 fañs-cót 600 só-cót 700 háñt-cót 800 añto-cót 900 no-cót 1000 házar (or ek-házar)

Rohingya Numbers 1000,10000,100000,1000000, 100000 1,000         ek-házar 10,000        doc-házar 100,000       ek-lak 10,00,000     doc-lák  (=1000,000 one million) 1,00,00,000   ek-kutí  (=10,000,000 ten million) 10,00,00,000  doc-kutí (=100,000,000 hundred million) 1,00,00,00,000 ek-kurul (=1000,000,000 one billion)

Other Examples 534    fañs có tiríc sair 1,534  ek házar fañs có tiríc sair 10,534 doc házar fañs có tiríc sair 23,786 ek-kuri tin házar, háñt có ací só 240,500 dui lák calic házar, fañs cót

Population of Burma (Myanmar) 48 millions calic añctho milion

title: Category talk:Rohingya numbers


text:
exocyclic

Adjective

 * 1)  (of a cyclic compound) not forming part of, or not attached to the ring

Translations

 * Italian: esociclico

title: exocyclic


text:
exocytosis

Noun

 * 1)  The secretion of substances through cellular membranes, either to excrete waste products or as a regulatory function.

title: exocytosis


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User:Patrick/pf

Other languages:

This MediaWiki extension is a collection of parser functions. Parser functions typically have the syntax:

Functions
This module defines six functions at present: ,,  ,  ,  , and .

#expr:
The  function computes mathematical expressions based on permutations of numbers (or variables/parameters that translate to numbers) and operators. It does not work with strings; use  below instead. The syntax is:

A list of supported operators follows. For more details about the operator precedence see Help:Calculation, it's roughly (1) grouping (parentheses), (2) unary (+/- signs and NOT), (3) multiplicative (*, /, div, mod), (4) additive (+ and -), (5) round, (6) comparative (=, !=, <, >, etc.), (7) logical AND, (8) logical OR. Within the same precedence class operators are evaluated left to right. As always some redundant parentheses are better than erroneous terse code.

The boolean operators consider 0 to be "false" and any other number to be "true", on output "true" is shown as .

Numbers are given in decimal with "." for the decimal point. The  function can be used to change the decimal point to a comma for the appropriate locales. Scientific notation with  plus exponent is not yet supported on input for expressions, but used on output, for details see Help:Calculation.

#if:
The  function is an if-then-else construct. The syntax is:

{{ #if: <condition> | <then text> | <else text> }}

If the condition is an empty string or consists only of whitespace, then it is considered false, and the else text is returned. Otherwise, the then text is returned. The else text may be omitted, in which case the result will be blank if the condition is false.

An example: |                       |                |                                      |                        |                |                                      |                        |                |

Note that the  function does not support "=" signs or mathematical expressions. will return "yes", because the string "1 = 2" is not blank. It is intended as an "if not empty" structure.

#ifeq:
compares two strings or numbers, and returns another string depending on the result of that comparison. The syntax is:

If both strings can be interpreted as numbers the comparison is numerical. To force a string comparison add tokens that can't be interpreted as numbers:

 * gives
 * gives

 * For compatibility with older templates #if: cannot directly distinguish defined and undefined parameter values, it's a shorthand for a comparison with the empty string. With #ifeq: it's directly possible to identify undefined parameters:

 * An undefined parameter without default counts in the comparison as a string consisting of the tag:

#ifexist:
returns one of two results based on whether or not a named title exists, e.g.

 * gives, because A0 exists
 * gives, because a0 does not exist
 * gives because FOO does not exist
 * gives.
 * gives although m:Help:Calculation exists, because of the interwiki prefix.

The first parameter is the title to check for, the second is the positive result, and the third, the negative result. If the parameter passed does not produce a valid title object, then the result is negative.

gives the same result, except that the result is positive for an interwiki link. exploits this difference.

#ifexpr:
evaluates a mathematical expression and returns one of two strings depending on the result.

{{#ifexpr: <expression> | <then text> | <else text> }}

If the expression evaluates to zero, then the else text is returned, otherwise the then text is returned. Expression syntax is the same as for.

 * At the moment the else text is also returned for an empty expression:
 * gives

 * Omitting both then text and else text gives no output except possibly an error message; this can be used to check the correctness of an expression, or to check the wording of the error message (emulated assertions, forced errors):
 * Division by zero.

For an application, see also.

#switch:
compares a single value against multiple others, returning a string if a match is found. The syntax is basically:

will search through each value passed until a match is found with the comparison value. When found, the result for that value is returned (the text string after the equal sign). If no match is found, but the last item has no equal sign in it, it will be returned as the default result. If your default result must have an equal sign, you may use :

Note that it's also possible to have "fall through" for values (reducing the need to duplicate results). For example:

Note how value1 and value2 contain no equal sign. If they're matched, they are given the result for value3 (that is, whatever is in result3).

 * As for #ifeq: the comparison is numerical where possible:
 * gives
 * gives

 * The matched value can be empty, therefore the following constructs are equivalent:
 * gives
 * gives

Caveats
Most observed problems turned out to be general issues not limited to parser functions.

Substitution
Applying "subst:" to a ParserFunction works, provided that there is no space between "subst:" and "#". For details see Help:Substitution. Note that unless a technique like optional substitution is used, substituting a template which uses a ParserFunction does not replace that ParserFunction with its result. This is often undesirable.

Like other colon functions the parser functions are affected by 5678 in a predictable way. Summary, undefined parameters can be overwritten by corresponding parameters, for details see /5678 and Substitution. Substitution is the only case where this is critical wrt to parameter defaults. It doesn't affect defined parameters.

Tables
Currently wiki pipe table syntax doesn't work inside conditionals, there are two main workarounds. Note that " " and " " were always tricky within templates, this is no new issue.
 * Hide the pipe from parser functions by putting it in a template, e.g. as on w:en:.
 * Use html style table syntax instead.
 * See also Help:Table, completely empty rows or columns are not displayed. Empty cells could be also transformed into dummy  cells on pages not affected by 5569.

If all else fails, try setting  in your.

Expressions

 * div is no integer division and (as is) redundant, use / (slash) for real divisions.
 * mod uses PHP's % operator, which is different from modulo-operators in all other programming languages, see also and 6068.
 * mod sometimes returns wrong results for the same input values, see 6356 and /MOD10000. Update: values less than 1E+12 are apparently not affected.
 * Valid #expr: results like are not yet supported as #expr: input:
 * yields .
 * Under certain conditions round 0 results in -0 instead of 0. For an expression x using 0+(x) fixes this oddity.

Installation
Download both of these files and put them in a new directory called ParserFunctions in your extensions directory.

 * Expr.php
 * ParserFunctions.php

Then put the following at the end of your LocalSettings.php:

require_once( "$IP/extensions/ParserFunctions/ParserFunctions.php" );

You can also browse the code tree here:

 * ParserFunctions in MediaWiki SVN

1.8alpha
All the ParserFunctions work under 1.8alpha, also in the localised forms.

1.7
All the ParserFunctions work under 1.7, but only in English.

1.6
When including the ParserFunctions in 1.6, some notices may be shown. Removing the following line (line 10) in ParserFunctions.php fixes the problem:

$wgHooks['LanguageGetMagic'][]      = 'wfParserFunctionsLanguageGetMagic';

Most ParserFunctions (except #if, which does not work at all) work just as well on MediaWiki 1.6, but the syntax of ParserFunctions is without the '#' character. If you want to use the '#' character, find this section of ParserFunctions.php: $wgParser->setFunctionHook( 'expr', array( &$wgExtParserFunctions, 'expr' ) ); $wgParser->setFunctionHook( 'if', array( &$wgExtParserFunctions, 'ifHook' ) ); $wgParser->setFunctionHook( 'ifeq', array( &$wgExtParserFunctions, 'ifeq' ) ); $wgParser->setFunctionHook( 'ifexpr', array( &$wgExtParserFunctions, 'ifexpr' ) ); $wgParser->setFunctionHook( 'switch', array( &$wgExtParserFunctions, 'switchHook' ) ); $wgParser->setFunctionHook( 'ifexist', array( &$wgExtParserFunctions, 'ifexist' ) );

Then, replace it with this:

$wgParser->setFunctionHook( '#expr', array( &$wgExtParserFunctions, 'expr' ) ); $wgParser->setFunctionHook( '#if', array( &$wgExtParserFunctions, 'ifHook' ) ); $wgParser->setFunctionHook( '#ifeq', array( &$wgExtParserFunctions, 'ifeq' ) ); $wgParser->setFunctionHook( '#ifexpr', array( &$wgExtParserFunctions, 'ifexpr' ) ); $wgParser->setFunctionHook( '#switch', array( &$wgExtParserFunctions, 'switchHook' ) ); $wgParser->setFunctionHook( '#ifexist', array( &$wgExtParserFunctions, 'ifexist' ) );

A simple fix for #if in this version -

Replace:

if ($test !== '') {

on line 47 with:

if ($test) {

That's it. Fix by Andrew Tutt. http://www.duiki.com

title: User:Patrick/pf


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fire and forget

Noun

 * 1)  A kind of missile guidance system which does not require further control after launch, and can hit its target without the launcher being in line of sight of the target.
 * 2)  The practice of transmitting or raising something, such as an event, and then proceeding without checking for any result or response.

Translations

 * Finnish: ammu ja unohda
 * Russian: систе́ма самонаведения

Adjective

 * 1) Not requiring further control, feedback, or response after an initial action, launch, etc.

title: fire and forget


text:
antifeminist

Adjective

 * 1) antagonistic to feminism
 * 2) advocating antifeminism

Derived terms

 * anti-antifeminist

Translations

 * French:
 * Galician: antifeminista
 * Italian: antifemminista
 * Polish:
 * Polish:
 * Portuguese: antifeminista
 * Spanish: antifeminista

Noun

 * 1) A person who is antagonistic to feminism.
 * 2) An advocate of antifeminism.

Derived terms

 * anti-antifeminist

Translations

 * Galician: antifeminista
 * Polish: antyfeminista,
 * Portuguese: antifeminista
 * Serbo-Croatian:, antifeministkinja
 * Spanish: antifeminista

 * Polish: antyfeminista,
 * Serbo-Croatian:, antifeministkinja

title: antifeminist


text:
verbal communication

Noun

 * 1) Oral communication; speech.
 * 2)  The process of sending and receiving messages with words, including writing and sign language.

title: verbal communication


text:
詠む

Etymology 1
Cognate with.

Verb

 * 1) to compose a haiku or waka
 * 2) to recite, to chant

Verb

 * 1)  to chant a poem
 * 2)  to compose a poem

title: 詠む


text:
響く

Etymology
From. Likely derived from a mimetic word, via reduplication. Cognate with 🇨🇬.

Verb

 * 1) to echo, to resound
 * 2) to hit (one's heart), to touch (the audience)

title: 響く