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and aren't giving me the default bolding, although  with the same code is. What's going on? ∂ανίΠα 19:14, 17 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Because "form of" has hard-coded bolding, which it shouldn't. — Vildricianus 19:17, 17 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Ah, thanks for fixing it. So bold isn't the default though? ∂ανίΠα 19:33, 17 June 2006 (UTC)
 * No. Should it? Paul raised the issue earlier today as well. Perhaps there should be some BP discussion on it (again!!), but don't count on me for starting it :-). — Vildricianus 19:42, 17 June 2006 (UTC)
 * What is the default supposed to be? Looks like it is plain text: "Plural of foot". Now, my objection to this is twofold:
 * The grammatical term should be wikified, IMO, as we often do for "comparative". Of course, almost everyone knows what a plural is, but many people don't know what a comparative is. Although someone could guess what a comparative is by looking at the definition, such as "thicker: comparative of thick", it is possible that someone with very little knowledge of English grammar might guess wrongly: it's just (note, just) possible that someone reading "flatter: comparative of flat" might guess that this means the verb "to flatter" and that "better: comparative of good" means someone who bets, despite the part of speech headers. Unlikely, but possible. So I think that "comparative", etc, should be wikified in these templates to aid the reader.
 * I'm not too bothered whether or not we do that, but I think it would be helpful to some readers. However, one thing that I do feel strongly that we must do, especially if we decide to wikify the grammatical term, is to show that the term in the cross-referred is being referred to and not being used.
 * Here's an example of the second issue (a slightly contrived one, but it illustrates my point very well):
 * "older: comparative of old"
 * As there is no typographical distinction between "comparative" and "old", this reads in the same way as "comparative of old", as it would appear without the wikification (for example, in a print dictionary). Now, written in that way, that means "a former comparative; a comparative used in olden times", which is not at all the intended meaning.
 * The adjective being compared must therefore be typeset in some way that indicates it means we are referring to it rather than using it. This can be done with quotation marks or, better still, because we have it available, with typography. This could be emboldening (compare Chambers), italicisation or small capitals (compare the OED and some US dictionaries). For myself, I think emboldening is ideal as this suggests a headword, since headwords appear in bold in Wiktionary.
 * So my personal choice would be for bold text to be the default, as I think this works best. It is however my personal choice, so I'm not going to force it on others.
 * So the formats can include "comparative of old", "comparative of old", with variations in capitalisation, etc, but what I feel we must not allow as the default or even as an option is unadorned text, for the reasons I give above. No print dictionary would give "comparative of old", "plural of foot", etc, and neither should we. — Paul G 07:01, 18 June 2006 (UTC)
 * No, a print dictionary would certainly use ‘Comparative of old.’ That's because wikification is a typographic distinction, and the fewer used, the better.  However, you're right that if we wikify the grammatical term, then the referrant needs an extra level of distinction (I agree with you that bold is the best choice).  But I personally think it's cleaner and neater without wikifying the ‘comparative’ bit.  Widsith 06:42, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
 * If I am not mistaken, the practice of using links as a form of "highlighting" words has been discouraged in HTML since its early days and is furthermore specifically discouraged on Wikis. — Hippietrail 02:56, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Sounds like sound policy to me, considering how easily things are linked (e.g. future wikification) or unlinked (e.g. in printing). Davilla 04:10, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Compare . With the new possibilities, there's no need to repeat that, fortunately. Bold is a reasonable idea, which I've stated before. Not allowing unadorned text doesn't sound very wiki, and is technically not possible (but who cares anyway what people prefer through their css files?). — Vildricianus 14:12, 18 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Do we need to have another vote for default bolding of sub-class mention? The primary objections were for non-Latin scripts. Is there any way to determine the script and only bold the Latin ones? Davilla 04:10, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
 * That last one sounds like a bad idea to me. But if it's the only possible solution, fine then. For that part, either italics or bold is bad in non-Latin. Underlined doesn't work either of course. Strike-through perhaps? :-) — Vildricianus 10:57, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Why is there a need to do anything with non-Latin scripts? They stand out enough as it is on their own. Davilla 16:12, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
 * What? That I don't get at all. — Vildricianus 16:18, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

 * The use/mention distinction that Paul raised above. Introducing inconsistency merely because something is not in the set [a-z,A-Z] is a bad idea.  When "Printer friendly link" is clicked, we do need to still distinguish between use and mention.  Wikification of the term is ignored (entirely) on the "Printer friendly link."  I'd prefer double quotes (ASCII, not Microsoft quotes) since we have syntactic problems with every other choice, except perhaps bold.  I think the quotes convey the distinction much better than bolding them.  --Connel MacKenzie T C 16:28, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Who said anything about [a-z,A-Z]? There are many more Latin-based characters than that! The point that had been raised during the plural-of bot discussions was that Chinese, Japanese, Russian, Greek, Arabic, Hebrew, etc. did not consistently conform to being bolded or italicized, but that it didn't matter because the use-mention distinction was pretty clear in these cases. Now if you want to put quotations around Chinese characters because you're not sure where the distinction between use and mention might occur, then you can go ahead and find a CSS solution for that. My only point is to narrow the argument down to those scripts for which all of the proposed solutions could actually apply. Davilla 08:14, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Sorry to say, but this sounds really like an ugly reasoning. The fact that something is in a non-Latin script doesn't mean we shouldn't distinguish use/mention anymore. I don't bother too much about the whole u/m thing, but one thing I'd like is to keep things consistent across languages. — Vildricianus 12:43, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

I disagree completely. The fact that a mentioned word in an English sentence is in a non-Latin script does mean we don't need to mark it explicitly as mentioned. The following examples illustrate:
 * Mentioning a Latin-script word:
 * Blend of spice and ham.
 * Short form of foxterrier.
 * Using a Latin-script word:
 * Blend of spice and ham.
 * Short form of foxterrier.
 * Mentioning a non-Latin-script word:
 * Blend of 辣 and 火腿.
 * Short form of терьер.

Note that there is no need to italicize (or otherwise to make distinct) non-Latin-script words. Doing so actually obscures the mention because italics have undesirable affects on non-Latin fonts: The Chinese words are practically illegible and the Russian word looks completely different from what was intended. Use-mention distinction in English Wiktionary need only apply to Latin fonts and, if we use italics (the standard wiki way of mentioning words) we should do so only for Latin script words. Rod (A. Smith) 16:08, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Undesirable effects of italicizing non-Latin fonts:
 * Blend of 辣 and 火腿.
 * Short form of терьер.

 * How about this:
 * Accusative of HTML-код. Latin or Cyrillic?
 * Genitive of paca. Latin or Cyrillic?
 * — Vildricianus 17:06, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

 * Good points. I hadn't even considered mentioning text of mixed scripts or the fact that Latin script text can appear to be Cyrillic, so I retract my "I disagree completely" statement. :-) Those problems combined with the illegibility of italic hanzi/kanji make italicization problematic. Should we always use quote marks? Rod (A. Smith) 19:25, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

 * That seems (to me) to be the only viable option. --Connel MacKenzie T C 19:32, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

 * No, italics can't go for said reasons. Bold is slightly better but still bad. Underlining is a non-starter. Small caps? Mmm, same problems. Well I can't think of anything else than quotation marks then, indeed. I certainly don't like them but it seems there's no other option. — Vildricianus 20:27, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

Present participle of
Connel brings up a good point below regarding. Perhaps it's time to define our long-range scheme for English and non-English "form of" templates. [The following is copied from User talk:Rodasmith:]

Is as intended? Not all p.p. are gerunds (although they can be, not all are.) Is there a separate template for normal p.p. without the gerund thing? --Connel MacKenzie T C 18:25, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

 * Hmm. I guess I didn't thoroughly think that template through. After creating the "form of" templates, I realized that there actually needs to be a distinction between the "form of" templates for English and for other languages, at least in the case of verbs. The problem you cite is but one of the issues. The other is that with English verbs, we want "to" to appear in the output, but obviously not with verbs of foreign languages. I'd be quite happy to see them changed, but I haven't thought of the best convention for the template names. Any thoughts? A suggestion to resolve the "pres part/gerund" issue is to have a "ing form of" (or some other short-named) template for "present participle and gerund of to..." since that's by far the most common in English. Then "present participle of" could be used for the exceptions where the verb has no gerund. That doesn't address the English ("to") vs. non-English issue, though. I welcome any improvements. Rod (A. Smith) 18:33, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

 * "to" should indeed remain part of the template, as we may want to remove and re-add it from time to time :-)
 * Templates for other languages are necessary, but don't need to affect the English ones. We'll need to use ISO codes then, e.g. or whatever.
 * I'd recommend keeping all names obvious, as they are now (so nothing like or the like).
 * I'd also recommend to leave out the "verbal noun" thing or anything else, since these forms aren't likely to appear under a =Verb= heading. Or are they?
 * Cheers! (Feel free to copy this discussion over on the GP, it'll need more ideas there and I think there's already a thread on it). — Vildricianus 18:39, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

 * Extra note: ideally, we'd have an exhaustive list of "form of"-templates and corresponding definitions, which we should stick to, in order to remain consistent across all entries. — Vildricianus 18:53, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

 * This is the ugliest wording and it has to come to this basic point to get rid of it. In case any of you forgot, English verbs are defined from the base form, not the infinitive. I actually taught from a storybook last year in which all of the verbs were listed in the glossary under "to", can you imagine!? So if you wanted to look up "reach", you'd have to know it was a verb under the 't' section because you wouldn't find it under 'r'. There were other problems with the book by the way. And there are some problems with Wiktionary in this respect. Under reach I find "to reach", "reaches", "reaching", and "reached". Nowhere is the plural and first/second-person singular "reach" listed.
 * Back to the templates. The solution to this problem is very simple. Just get rid of "to" and the templates can be shared across languages. should be used whenever the page name is a present participle of word, period. Davilla 08:02, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

 * Is anyone here familiar with the "&uselang=" thing? I'm pretty sure that \Mike used to use it for MediaWiki:Nogomatch/sv by setting the default language in his user preferences?  (BTW, that should move to MediaWiki:Noexactmatch/sv right?)

 * Would the better long-term plan be to have, etc.?  Whenever the language-specific sub-page doesn't exist, the MW software is supposed to just give the English version of the page, right?

 * I won't suggest for adding spurious "u"s, just yet.  --Connel MacKenzie T C 19:43, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

 * I don't get it. Please clarify where you would expect to apply "en-noun/sv" and "en-noun/zh". Rod (A. Smith) 20:49, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

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Main Page
The last time I (painfully) reduced my screen size to 800x600 and viewed it, it looked good, but right now it is atrocious. The imbalance is lessened on larger, more normal display sizes, but I don't currently have a 1024x768 display. Is it OK at least in that mode? Why don't fr.wiktionary.org and even en.wikipedia.org have the same imbalance issues? --Connel MacKenzie T C 15:46, 6 June 2006 (UTC) P.S., http://commons.wikimedia.org/ seems to have the same issue, but their imbalance manifests towards the bottom of the page, instead of the topish-middle. --Connel MacKenzie T C 15:50, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

 * Usually that sort of thing is the product of CSS values which are px or other fixed scales rather than percentages. We need to strive to use only % values when we are making new sections, even though px values are oftentimes much easier. - TheDaveRoss 16:06, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

I don't know when or where, but our main page has started looking shitty again. The second section, in particular, at one point was supposed to be equally balanced, left-right, 50%, 50%. It is almost understandable that that went away.

No, actually, it is not understandable at all. WTF. If you've got imbalanaced sections, add them as separate sections, width=100%, not screwing everything else up. The two 'most-similar looking blocks are "WOTD" and "About Wiktionary", so they should be side-by-side 50%/50%. The rest of the junk needs some shuffling around...e.g. "Browse Wiktionary" = 50% paired with "Selected entries" + "Things to do" = 50% ? Has anyone played with this extensively?

I guess the biggest question is, how did it change, without getting tested in 800x600 mode?

--Connel MacKenzie T C 15:57, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

 * The bug there is that everything changes depending on WOTD size. One day it's as thin as the Browse Wiktionary box, the other day it's as big as the Selected Entries thing. And ever since your addition of the audio link the WOTD width has been unbalanced. I don't feel like doing it, since I'm not entirely fond of the Main Page syntax. I could redesign it, but I doubt that'd be any better. You should ask Dangherous. — Vildricianus 18:25, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

 * Interesting. I don't know how I could have changed the size when I didn't change the number of lines.  But then, if I knew, I wouldn't be asking.  :-)  Still, I don't see how my change could have had that effect.  --Connel MacKenzie T C 19:43, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

 * The fact that WOTD is wider makes that the Selected Entries are longer. At least on 800x600, that is. — Vildricianus 19:51, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

Testing some new tricks at User:Vildricianus/PageX/MP. Refresh cache first. — Vildricianus 11:37, 7 June 2006 (UTC) Main Page code is bad. WOTD implementation is not that good either. Spent too much time on it today, and I've got enough of it. — Vildricianus 13:22, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

Trying anew with a different code at User:Vildricianus/Main page. Is this what you mean Connel? — Vildricianus 13:47, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

 * Wow, yes. That's what I was saying.  --Connel MacKenzie T C 14:23, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

 * Ready. User:Vildricianus/Main page. The one thing still to be worked out is the audio thing. — Vildricianus 19:52, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

 * Could perhaps go live. WOTD audio isn't going to be solved right now. — Vildricianus 11:30, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

 * I like it a lot. Of course, that is just one person's opinion.  Anybody else?  Horrid?  Beautiful?  Orchid or Onion?  --Connel MacKenzie T C 05:16, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

 * The only problem with the audio was the one day, where Dvorty refused to do a pronunciation in a language she doesn't speak. Who is populating the WOTDs these days, anyhow?    I think having the audio, right there, for all to hear, is really a very, very good thing.  So we should be able to shuffle things around.  Any words that don't have audio at their designated time can be sent to the end of the line.  Or is it not so simple?  --Connel MacKenzie T C 05:16, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

 * Put it in place now. Perhaps no one will notice. Note that whichever box we put next to WOTD, it will never fit well. The thing to do now is find some more links to add to Browse Wiktionary. It should become more of a mini-index to Wiktionary. — Vildricianus 19:14, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

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Archiving this page?

 * Gah! Already 80 kb! —Vildricianus 10:33, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

Looks like quite soon, this page will need to get archived just as much as the Beer parlour. We can use the opportunity to experiment or brainstorm a bit about how to do it better, i.e. topical instead of chronological archival? A kind of categorization of discussions on separate archive pages? For instance, one archive for template discussions, one for CSS, one for general development etc. —Vildricianus 13:18, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

 * Gods, yes! I absented for a day, and came back to several chapters of comments on this page.  I am stunned at how popular this conversation area is.  I think it indicates that many lingering conceptual problems should have been dealt with sooner, that were never addressed on WT:BP.  Also, the recent addition of Vild, Scs, Partick, and Rod, seemed to have given Wiktionary the needed critical-mass for technical improvements.  Hard to say which is more relevant.
 * That said, branching Grease Pit from Beer Parlour was a valuable branch: perhaps further sub-division would be the way to go? There are philosophical improvements, and technical improvements...but perhaps they are, as HT suggests (by creation of this page,) far too intermingled to coherently separate?
 * I wonder...could we have "live" archive areas, rather than end-of-conversation-never-to-be-mentioned-again archives?
 * --Connel MacKenzie T C 18:24, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Please elaborate on that as I don't have a clue what that would mean.

 * Regarding "new rooms", I was thinking the same, after seeing the GP's popularity. Perhaps we should make the same move for what HT mentioned somewhere on RFD: a mid-area RF* page where entries can be discussed for reasons other than deletion, verification or cleanup? —Vildricianus 18:36, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

 * I was being cagey only to not insist on my names for the concepts, but rather to encouarge thoughts on what appropriate subdivision might be named. I was under the impression that the multi-word-entry controversy was not a particularly "technical" discussion.  At least, not technical in regard to how the wiki software deals with the issue.  Perhaps something like "Grease pit (linguistics)" and "Grease pit (technical)"?  Then again, maybe it would be better if the multi-word discussion were moved to Language considerations/English?  Or is it truly better off staying right here?

 * I think the Tea room is the best place for the "in-between" requests. With RFD/RFV/RFT/RFC, I think we have all the general possibilities covered, these days.  --Connel MacKenzie T C 16:06, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

 * I thought about having a room for technical aspects of words, linguists, and lexicography, rather than computer programming. But in reality, how many people do we have who have any training or have read many books in these fields? I think the Tea room might be best re-labelled as a place to discuss words and language generally as well to answer question regarding the articles on particular words. This would slightly different to our current "if it covers more than one word put it in the Beer parlour" policy but we could rework that also by saing the Beer parlour is about policies, which headings to use, which orders to put them in etc rather than "further vs farther" or "is data plural or uncountable". How does that sound? — Hippietrail 17:25, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

 * Regarding the Tea room, that's how I and I think most other Wiktionarians already saw the concept, so it's probably best to spell that out more clearly. I'll take a look at how to reword Tea room/header.
 * Also, I've dug up what Hippietrail said on RFD (it's here now):
 * Further, I think it might make a lot of sense to carry out the disputes on the articles' talk pages rather than here (or RFV) - these pages can be instead lists of links with perhaps a line of text indicating the current status of each dispute. Disputes which involve more than one page might be better off here than in the talk pages.
 * Anyone still wants to consider that? I don't know what is has to do with archiving this page, though. The Grease pit is more like a part of the Beer parlour – I expect most its atmosphere to be the same – whilst the Tea room is in 99% of the cases specific talk. If we would take full advantage of the Talk: namespace, we should carry out such specific conversations there, or at least, once they have been concluded, move discussions over there rather than to the Tea room archives. If we would follow that proposal, the Tea room could become more congruous to the BP and the GP as a discussion room for general Wiktionary talk, and be more what Connel described as the "Grease pit (linguistics)". —Vildricianus 18:20, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

 * Are you saying we should make all of the tea room be just template-header-style links to the appropriate talk pages, so it in effect, becomes just a page of links? I like that concept a lot, actually.  It would allow for much greater retention time before archiving the TR.  That, in turn, would give much greater continuity, especially for seemingly unrelated discussions.  --Connel MacKenzie T C 19:42, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

 * Something like that, yes. Actually, what I was saying is that we should make a new page as a "link depository", while keeping the Tea room strictly for broader discussions that don't belong on article talk pages. Or the other way round; don't know what would be the least confusing. —Vildricianus 20:16, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

 * Note: the Grease pit is now one week old... I guess we'll need its first archiving in about ten days. — Vildricianus 20:00, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

Another idea: how about moving large discussions (more than three screens) to subpages when they are archived, and linking to it from a page very much alike Connel's Beer parlour archive index. Three lists perhaps: alphabetical, chronological and topical. We should definitely maintain such list if we just archive this page the "old way" as well. — Vildricianus 12:08, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

 * I think it'd be wise to keep large chunks of related topics on subpages. For instance the entire italbrac and cattag stuff (part of which is also in the BP archives) should be grouped together. — Vildricianus 16:35, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

 * I like the subpage ideas. Lots.  But how to do them is quite an issue.  My offline tools are offline.  I need to take two or three weeks to just sit down and learn Python for real - but I won't have that kind of time for the next couple years.
 * Maybe something like User:Ingoolomo's talk page auto-subpager javascript would help?
 * --Connel MacKenzie T C 06:11, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

 * I don't see the issues. When the archiving time of a topic has come, you put it on a subpage. Also, see ; it could happen well before archiving time. As a matter of fact, perhaps "archiving" is not really applicable here. Ideas will always return, and it's better if they do so within an existing context than started again from scratch. Well-developed and discussed ideas, like the ones I mentioned above and probably a few more, should be subpaged and linked to from the top of this page, probably in a big pink intrusive box to annoy you :-). — Vildricianus 20:03, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

Archiving - a fresh idea
I don't think the idea of sub-paging by month was known when the BP archiving method was set up. But for WT:GP, I'd like to make one subpage for each month. This page would then become a list of the last three months (or less) sub-page things. The subpages would have a level ONE heading. And the "Add new topic" link at the very top could use July (or whatever is in fashion these days) to get to the proper sub-page. This page would then be edited only about once a month, while each month's conversations would have that entire month's history. Unlike the BP, no protection of the archive pages would be needed, as each conversation an (with a clever back link here or there) remain active as long as needed.

Whaddaya think? Can I start messing around with this idea? --Connel MacKenzie T C 20:17, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

 * Clever. Please clarify that last bit. "Each conversation remains active as long as needed" ? Because the pages are shorter? Hmm. That means we have to remain on the lookout for posts to pages of months long gone by? — Vildricianus 22:05, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

 * Support. I also suggest we acknowledge and support the option mentioned above for any resulting month page to fork off indexed topic-specific pages when their length so justifies. Rod (A. Smith) 22:01, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

 * Ah, yes, that would make it work, I think. --Connel MacKenzie T C 07:30, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

Well, sounds fine, except for one major disadvantage which I had in mind for this page, namely that things will be archived by date instead of by topic. — Vildricianus 15:11, 16 June 2006 (UTC)


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Active subtopics
(Since this is the Grease pit, perhaps we can dog food the suggestion of aggregating active conversations through inclusion. Rod (A. Smith) 23:34, 27 May 2006 (UTC))

 * Absolutely! --Connel MacKenzie T C 23:44, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

 * Hrm, editing this section, I see a minor problem already with doing that. (Edit it yourself, and see.)  While I agree that we should be eating our own dogfood, it does also imply that someone will hover over this page and sub-subpage every section as sections are added.  And/or that the sub-sub-paging will be somehow automated.  Or both.  --Connel MacKenzie T C 14:26, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

 * Mmm. We'll need double headers then. Or, 1 header, here, and just an edit link to the subpage. —Vildricianus 15:02, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

 * I think so, but I'm not sure of the "best" top level headers arrangement, nor how to get back here after editing a sub-page. --Connel MacKenzie T C 15:15, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

 * Getting back works with the "subpage of" link right below the pagetitle, right? —Vildricianus 15:19, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

 * Another point: no quick viewing of histories, which is darn useful. —Vildricianus 17:10, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

 * Actually, I see this last point as a major disadvantage. I'm used to following things by their history, which gives me a clear view on who said what and when, regardless of post disruption later on. This is completely impossible with the subpage system. As a matter of fact, I'm not sure whether it's still necessary. I'm highly enthusiastic about our new rooms and the new system; it looks like there's more breathing room now (pun?). For these reasons, most of what has been said on Wiktionary talk:Beer parlour is now less necessary (actually, #2 is more or less what happened, and we can still extend it if we need yet another room in the future). With more frequent archiving, though, the BP should become more manageable. Therefore, let's consider subpages for discussion unnecessary for now. We can still use it for more extensive discussions if required, much like what happened with User talk:Connel MacKenzie/Normalization of articles. Anyone else agrees? —Vildricianus 19:13, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
 * That sounds quite reasonable. I'll subst in and delete the below subpage. Rod (A. Smith) 20:15, 28 May 2006 (UTC) (Done)
 * Thanks Rod. —Vildricianus 21:51, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

 * I would like us to give this a test run before withdrawing it. A big help towards "following things" would be to link to a diff to the point in the main page where the conversation broke off. That would mean you don't have to search through ancient pages. If it still doesn't work then we'll know by experience. It could also be that it doesn't work at first but we'll think of ways to improve it. That's not going to happen if we don't try it. If we try it and it really does fail then we can always get rid of it safe in the knowledge that we gave it our best shot. — Hippietrail 22:49, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Absolutely, we should still consider it for larger discussions. The one below was, however, started in a subpage position, IIRC, which I think is confusing. Breaking of larger topics that were started here and leaving behind a link to the history page is indeed workable, I guess. —Vildricianus 10:23, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

I have another idea: if we list all transcluded subpages at the very top (below the roombox) of this page, that would assist quick history viewing. — Vildricianus 12:05, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

 * I've been working out this last one, and I think it's not a bad idea. The idea behind the Beer parlour is to move possible policy discussions and such to separate Wiktionary: pages to work them out further. We could do the same here, but instead of moving them to untraceable locations, we can use subpages of the GP. With this option, they can first remain transcluded, and after a while be left out of this page to make it shorter, and listed in a section or box at the top of this page. People should then make a habit of check those pages once in a while. With any new groundbreaking ideas, a new thread can be started here. I think for instance that this is already applicable to the, and  topics here. Any thoughts? This probably goes hand in hand with the archiving proposals below. — Vildricianus 19:57, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

 * Implemented suggestions above above, as /Standardized personalizable inflection templates is destined for the archives. Let's see how it works. Rod (A. Smith) 03:32, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

 * Thanks, very good idea to list them in that section. I've reordered things a bit, so that there are two level 1 sections here. I've altered MediaWiki:Monobook.css so that on subpages, the link to the basepage is more visible. Instead of using "return to WT:GP" each time, this link will do the job.

 * I've also moved three more topics to subpages. I'd like to see how well this works but I think this is exactly what we need. — Vildricianus 13:05, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

 * Even more functionality. What do you guys think about the magic and the history, edit and watch links? — Vildricianus 18:38, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

 * Thanks, Vild. Well done. is very convenient, though perhaps confusingly named. Do you think "{ {/subtopic}}" be any better? Rod (A. Smith) 19:49, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

 * Sure, I was first going to make a general one in the Template: namespace but figured out it would be simpler this way. Keep in mind to have a lowercase thing. (I'd say that all subtopics should start with uppercase.) — Vildricianus 20:55, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

 * No, actually not. The name "template" should be clearly distinguished from the others in Special:Allpages/Wiktionary:Grease pit, and "subtopic" is ambiguous in that context. — Vildricianus 15:19, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

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Talk:MGTOW

Men going their own way #1
MGTOW (”Men Going Their Own Way”) is a way of life which refuses to defer to women in defining the worth of men. Instead, it focuses on positive male aspects, inviting men to go their own way in life.

The concise definition of Men Going Their Own Way (MGTOW):

Men Going Their Own Way (MGTOW) refers to men committed to self-determination. Referring to oneself as a ”’Man Going His Own Way”’ (MGHOW) is a statement of self-ownership and a declaration that a man has the supreme right to decide what his goals in life will be as opposed to having his goals dictated by others who, in preference to self-determination, prescribe utility-based roles for males entailing servitude to women and society.

Men going their own way #2
Being the guy who put the definition in first, I was intending to note that the acronym had two definitions. Admittedly, I am more familiar with the political MGTOW than the aircraft MGTOW, which is why I asked for more information/links for both, and was hoping that those who are more familiar with the aircraft MGTOW would make their contribution. I also but both in because I wanted to be factual. If putting in an xlink is considered promotion, then I apologize.

Also, I know yga and have said the same to him, and he's come to an understanding. I hope you will do the same. Laboratory Mike 21:00, 25 June 2006 (EST)

Why was the "Men going their own way" entry, removed? And replaced with an aircraft specification?

With no explanation, no discussion.

It's obvious isn't it. Should I say it? Despite that you wiki authorities don't want to hear the truth? Is it because you editors are biased against males, right?

Do you realise what is happening? People are turning off wiki, feeling that you are the enemy. The entire men's movement does not want to give you any money because you are anti-male censoring feminazis.

Not that money should come into this, it's just that people are really hoping for the downfall of wiki, hoping that your entire operation (and your biased censorship) go under due to lack of funds. Hating wiki and their faceless cowardly editors, with a vengeange, because of your nasty anti-male dictatorial censorship. So much for giving the people an equal voice. You give females all the voice and males no voice!

yga--81.7.46.41 19:08, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

 * As you can see from the edit summary in the page history, I removed the entry because it appears to be promotion for an obscure website/movement. My feeling that it is obscure comes from the google results, and the fact that an entry for this topic has already been deleted at wikipedia. I understand you might find this a bitter experience, but wiktionary is not here to "give people a voice", it is here to define terms that they are likely to wish to look up. Kappa 19:19, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

 * Hi. I am a user who came here to look up the Men Going Their Own Way term, because it gets mentioned a fair bit on the internets, and I didn't know what it meant. All I found at first were people complaining that the MGTOW articles got removed from Wikipedia and Wiktionary, before finally finding out what it meant. --2001:980:A4CB:1:C4D6:2A5D:5305:7D91 16:54, 11 December 2013 (UTC)

And yet a far more obscure term, for aircraft was used?

You'll probably argue that the first one on the list was actually for aircraft.

http://www.google.com/search?q=MGTOW

 * Not any more — By now (2013) the aircraft is so far down on Google you won't find it any more --Krischik (talk) 17:14, 3 August 2013 (UTC)

And of course it is. If thefreedictionary.com, wiktionary, and every other source of information censors this, instead of relying on what REAL PEOPLE are saying, then this acronym will never be in the mainstream sources of words. If you look at the non-organizational, just independant ordinary people's websites, you'll see it's all about "men going their own way".

"Terms people are likely to look up". Eh??? Are you sure about that? So that means I can delete every term on wiki that people are unlikely to look up?

Do you mind if I spend a few weeks, getting me and some mates to scour your wiki for all the terms to delete that are less likely to be looked up? And impose our idea of what is important or not, upon wiki?

You may not realise what wiki is about these days, I suppose, but the majority of the content on wiki isn't mainstream. There is a lot of content which is the "leaves" of humanity's knowledge, instead of the maintrunks. In Web2.0 terminology, this is known as the "long tail", in which small niches comprimise 90% of the content. And yet you, with your politically driven idealogy, want to go against your founding design principle??

You may not realise it, but wiki has many terms and stuff that aren't really all that mainstream. Be careful of the reasons you submit for deletion, because if they were *fairly* applied, it would come back and bite you. This is just more bias. The "promotion of a movement" claim could be made for many a wiki entry.

As for the wikipedia.org deletion, that was just done for political reasons. And believe me, wiki will pay for their politically purposed deletion.

So what if the page had external links??? MOST Wiki pages have links to external websites!!! That is just ridiculous. Should I then go and delete most of wiki because they have links to external websites?

If you were reasonable, instead of trying to sound reasonable when infact being cowardly and biased and dictatorial, you'd simply have removed the links to external websites (and removed it on all others) at the same time.

--81.7.46.41 19:51, 25 June 2006 (UTC)yga

 * While there is value in the "long tail", it is constantly necessary to filter out people trying to promote new words, movements, products etc. If this is not done, wiktionary will be overwhelmed. I agree that it is difficult to find a system that does this perfectly. If you need a dictionary/encylopedia that is completely "uncensored" you may find wikinfo more useful than wiktionary or wikipedia. Kappa 08:51, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

RFV discussion #1
"Men Going Their Own Way". Seems to be an obscure movement, googles badly. Kappa 08:36, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
 * http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=mgtow&btnG=Google+Search
 * Anon unsigned message posted in the wrong section
 * removed disputed sense. Andrew massyn 07:29, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

Reintroduction of political MGTOW definition
I have reintroduced the political definition and have provided 4 links to 'Men Going Their Own Way' websites, forums and a chatroom. There are many more related sites on the net to verify that this is not an obscure movement, but very active with many participants.

With a google search of MGTOW, the first two pages are related to 'Men Going Their Own Way' and not until halfway down page 3 is the aircraft acronym refered to. A google search of MGTOW and feminism, returns 10,900 results.

There is also another online dictionary that refers to 'Men Going Their Own Way': thefreedictionary

I would appreciate if the above could be considered and this definition can remain as this is a legitimate movement with its participants growing in number as time goes on. Monad 08:44, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

I removed the references, as they're all dead links. The interest and searches and related sites have grown exponentially since the term was introduced into wiktionary. I'm just not an expert, so I can't reintroduce appropriate alternate references. Someone else feel free to do so.--77.28.31.227 08:46, 25 December 2009 (UTC)

Re verification tag, I reintroduced the MGTOW definition in April 2007 (as above) under the username Monad. This was current until 25 December 2010. Since some if the links were dead as mentioned previously I updated them. Upon returning I find that they have been deleted and I have been blocked from editing under the username Monad for "Spamming links to external sites: repeat offense (multiple)" so I will not bother to do so again 'anonymously'. However note a Google search of MGTOW and feminism, returns 31,300 results compared to my previous entry April 2007 returning 10,900 results. 119.12.244.209 06:50, 26 July 2010 (UTC)

 * Google matches are not usually much use for WT:CFI. Equinox ◑ 08:54, 26 July 2010 (UTC)

I realise that Equinox, however my updated links to verifiable sites were deleted, including my comment on here and I was blocked for editing under the username Monad by SemperBlotto. 121.91.110.122 15:20, 27 July 2010 (UTC)
 * That shouldn't be a problem - they'll be in the entry's history. Mglovesfun (talk) 15:37, 27 July 2010 (UTC)

RFV discussion #2
"Men Going Their Own Way - An antifeminist/libertarian political movement." It has no Wikipedia article and no mentions in Google Books; I suspect it is something minor and non-notable. Equinox ◑ 23:33, 17 June 2010 (UTC)

 * Previously failed RFV. "Do not reenter without valid citations", IMO, means just that. Mglovesfun (talk) 09:05, 26 July 2010 (UTC)

RFV failed, sense removed. —Ruakh TALK 18:56, 31 July 2010 (UTC)

MGTOW control of definition
Don't worry about it fellas, the real MGTOW is now about 19 out of 20 Google results. People will simply turn away from controlled (read: censored) sites like this one. - 165.228.7.101 06:19, 31 July 2012 (UTC)

 * I guess so. Stange [Herbivore men] has been added and is allowed to stay — which is a quite similar movement. But then that is Japan and not USA. --Krischik (talk) 17:14, 3 August 2013 (UTC)
 * I can't speak for Wikipedia, but here, your task is very simple: 1) Find at least three independent uses of the term that aren't just mentions over a period of more than a year in sources that meet WT:CFI (the main sticking point so far has been that web sites aren't durably archived. We consider Usenet as durably-archived for purposes of CFI, so that's probably your best bet). 2) Add them to Citations:MGTOW. 3) Recreate the sense, with wording that's neutral in point of view. Remember that we're a dictionary, not an encyclopedia, so references to authoritative sources are unnecessary (except for etymologies), and links to non-lexicographic web sites are frowned upon. We're also only concerned with the term itself, not the political or social context (beyond what would apply to use and connotations of the term).
 * Although some individuals may have their agendas, the only reason a deletion will stick is that the entry doesn't meet WT:CFI, is hopelessly full of formatting and other errors (see WT:ELE), is promoting something, or violates some other basic rules. If you think you've met the standards I've mentioned, and it still gets speedily deleted, you can bring it up at the Beer Parlor(WT:BP), or, if it's strictly a matter of whether the quotes meet WT:CFI, at WT:RFV. At the very least, you should be able to get it changed to an RFD or RFV so that you have a chance to defend your addition. I think the main reason the RFV documented above succeeded is because no one offered any citations to show that it met WT:CFI.
 * We have no censorship here- you can find entries for just about every vile and/or obscene and/or controversial term that's been documented to be in actual use. You just have to meet the requirements and follow the rules, and the entry or sense will stay. Chuck Entz (talk) 20:27, 3 August 2013 (UTC)

even now after all those years the internet still doesn't understand mgtow. its a sad sight seeing what they tell about us.. greetings patrick a mgtow from europe
 * If you want to argue for your ideas, you'll have to go elsewhere: all a descriptive dictionary can do is describe the way the term is used and what people mean when they use it in, a clear and impartial manner. We don't advocate, and we don't take sides. That goes for feminists, MGTOWs, or people who believe the world is run by a unicorn with three heads. Chuck Entz (talk) 14:05, 14 August 2018 (UTC)

 * Unless the entry is Gamergater... Equinox ◑ 14:16, 14 August 2018 (UTC)

Recent definition reverts
I added a message on User_talk:Cloudcuckoolander, but the discussion would be more relevant here. Lets discuss any proposed changes here before making them. -- 71.208.37.30 23:15, 30 October 2014 (UTC)

Also commented on User_talk:Chuck_Entz, so far that's being ignored as well. -- 71.208.37.30 02:31, 31 October 2014 (UTC)

Why put the least used version on top?
Hello, I have a question, was there any particular reason why you degraded the popular use of the term, in favour of the rarely used form?

I'm hoping we can reach consensus and put the modern use as first. Amin (talk) 01:29, 3 December 2016 (UTC)
 * From googling around it seems that sense is not really rare but rather a fairly conventional aviation jargon term, with a history of consistent use going back many decades. It seems fairly obvious that it should have precedence over a fringe neologism. — Kleio (t · c) 03:44, 3 December 2016 (UTC)

 * The aviation term is far more commonly used in CFI-compliant sources such as published books. Equinox ◑ 08:27, 3 December 2016 (UTC)

Split by ety?
Should we put the 'men' and 'takeoff weight' definitions in different etymology sections? I know we don't usually split initialisms/acronyms by ety (because each one is its own ety), but in this case it would be based on (slash, a proxy for) splitting by pronunciation. - -sche (discuss) 22:51, 14 December 2018 (UTC)

A mess
This page is a mess! Somebody delete and start again. It’s not supposed to be a website promoting an organization. It’s supposed to be an authoritative, informative short article defining a term and giving its context and history in as objective a way possible.

 * Looks fine to me. What don't you like? Equinox ◑ 13:13, 3 July 2019 (UTC)

title: Talk:MGTOW


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agnolotti

Etymology
, plural of ; see there for more.

Noun

 * 1) A type of square or rectangular ravioli from Piedmont made from a small sheet of pasta folded up.

Translations

 * German: Agnolotti
 * Italian:
 * Japanese: アニョロッティ
 * Korean: 아뇰로티
 * Piedmontese: agnolòt
 * Spanish: añoloti

Noun

 * 1) a type of square or rectangular ravioli from Piedmont made from a small sheet of pasta folded up

title: agnolotti


text:
agnolotto

Etymology
Most likely from, from + ; though it is said to be named after the recipe's inventor, 🇨🇬 (see  and ).

Noun

 * 1) a single piece of agnolotti

title: agnolotto


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zero-length launching

Noun

 * 1)  A technique in which the first motion of the missile or aircraft removes it from the launcher. Normally, such a launch occurs before the missile fuel or aircraft engine is fired.

title: zero-length launching


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User talk:Frankie816~enwiktionary

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bavette

Etymology 1
Borrowed from.

Noun

 * 1)  A kind of

Etymology 2
From dribble-inducing.

Noun

 * 1)  A type of thick spaghetti.

Translations

 * Italian: bavetta

Etymology
From.
 * From being a drool accessory, a drool protector
 * From being slobber-inducing

Noun

 * 1) bib
 * 2) beef flank steak
 * 3) beef flap steak
 * 1) beef flank steak
 * 2) beef flap steak

Etymology
Borrowed from.

title: bavette


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bavetta

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1) dribble of molten metal
 * 2) bib
 * 3) mudguard
 * 4)  a type of spaghetti
 * 5)  flank steak

title: bavetta


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zero point

Noun

 * 1)  The location of the center of a burst of a nuclear weapon at the instant of detonation. The zero point may be in the air, or on or beneath the surface of land or water, depending upon the type of burst, and it is thus to be distinguished from ground zero.

title: zero point


text:
User:Thogo

I'm here since 27 June 2006. (I'm very proud of my wonderful ID = 15555 :o) )

My main account is in the German Wiktionary, where I'm sysop. Thus if you have urgent questions or problems to talk about with me, you can leave me a message on my DE-WT talk page or you can talk to me in the Wiktionary IRC channel. Now, I also have an account on WiktionaryZ.

title: User:Thogo


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bigoli

Etymology
Borrowed from.

Noun

 * 1) A type of spaghetti, with a rough texture, from the Veneto.

Translations

 * Italian: bigoli
 * Japanese: ビゴリ
 * Korean: 비골리

title: bigoli


text:
bigolaro

Noun

 * 1) a device through which bigoli are extruded

title: bigolaro


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inspissant

Noun

 * 1) A thickening agent.

Adjective

 * 1) That thickens.

title: inspissant


text:
Template:help-meta

 * See also Wikimedia's Meta-Wiki for this page.

title: Template:help-meta


text:
zone of fire

Noun

 * 1)  An area into which a designated ground unit or fire support ship delivers, or is prepared to deliver, fire support. Fire may or may not be observed.

title: zone of fire


text:
zone of action

Noun

 * 1)  A tactical subdivision of a larger area, the responsibility for which is assigned to a tactical unit; generally applied to offensive action.

title: zone of action


text:
scientific name

Noun

 * 1) A formal name according to an internationally accepted standard, especially the formal name of a taxon.

Translations

 * Arabic: اِسْم عِلْمِيّ
 * Chinese:
 * Mandarin:
 * Czech: vědecký název
 * Finnish:
 * French:, nom savant
 * Italian: nome scientifico
 * Japanese:
 * Malayalam: ശാസ്ത്രീയനാമം
 * Persian: نام علمی
 * Polish: nazwa naukowa
 * Portuguese: nome científico
 * Russian:
 * Spanish: nombre científico
 * Turkish: bilimsel ad, bilimsel isim

title: scientific name


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area of influence

Noun

 * 1)  A geographical area wherein a commander is directly capable of influencing operations by maneuver or fire support systems normally under the commander’s command or control.
 * 1)  A geographical area wherein a commander is directly capable of influencing operations by maneuver or fire support systems normally under the commander’s command or control.

title: area of influence


text: Category:Avar language

title: Category:Avar language


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title: Category:Navajo nouns


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Talk:ньюйоркец

The quote used as an example on this page originally read as follows: "'Мы, нью-йоркцы, необычайно вежливые, поэтому бываем любезны со всеми', — сказал он, комментируя результаты исследования — Вести.Ru, June 22, 2006." Although a minor difference, there was a hyphen in the word нью-йоркцы. I am by no means a scholar of the Russian language, but do have a fair enough command of the language to read the news and various Web sites in Russian. A quick Google search will reveal that both the hyphenated spelling and the hyphen-less spelling are in use, although most hyphen-less spellings are on sites where formal speech is the exception and not the rule, or on non-Russian sites (stuff ending in ".org"). News sites seem to prefer the hyphenated spelling.

If someone could provide some proof as to the correctness of either version, I would be interested. Until then, I'm reluctant to accept either way as definitively correct, although the trend in the more formal news media seems to indicate the hyphen may be preferred, even if not officially "correct."

V-ball 21:21, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

 * The Русский орфографический словарь Российской академии наук (Отв. ред. В. В. Лопатин) says it’s ньюйоркец, not нью-йоркец. However, the adjective is нью-йоркский, not ньюйоркский. This is the same pattern as applied to all such "two-word" population names that I’m aware of, such as севернокаролинец. All of the population words and adjectives listed on these pages have been meticulously researched and entered correctly. Just because a large number of writers mishyphenate, miscapitalize, misspell or otherwise misuse a word in any language, that doesn’t make it highly recommended. —Stephen 04:52, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

 * This is the kind of explanation I always look forward to. Thanks for looking that up and explaining it to me. — V-ball 13:08, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

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cheating

Noun

 * 1) An act of deception, fraud, trickery, imposture, imposition or infidelity.
 * 2)  The arrangement of people or items in a film so as to give the (false) impression that shots are taken from different angles in the same location.
 * 1)  The arrangement of people or items in a film so as to give the (false) impression that shots are taken from different angles in the same location.

Translations

 * Dutch:
 * German: Falschspiel,, , , , Schummelei
 * Irish: cúigleáil
 * Italian: ,
 * Japanese: ,
 * Polish:, , cheatowanie,  czitowanie
 * Sanskrit:
 * Serbo-Croatian:, ,
 * Spanish:
 * Swedish:
 * Ukrainian: ошука́нство, круті́йство

Adjective

 * 1) Unsporting or underhand.
 * 2) Unfaithful or adulterous.

Translations

 * German:, ,
 * Ukrainian: нечесний

 * German:, ,

title: cheating


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intervening

Noun

 * 1) intervention; mediation

Adjective

 * 1) That intervenes or mediates.
 * 2) Falling between two periods or events.

title: intervening


text:
Hist

Noun

 * 1) History (in journal titles such as "J Hist Neurosci" - "Journal of the History of Neuroscience").

title: Hist


text: burdens

title: burdens


text:
skiagram

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1) A picture or image created from shadows, especially with X-rays.

title: skiagram


text:
trimmed

Adjective

 * 1) that has been trimmed
 * 2) furnished with trimmings

title: trimmed


text:
User talk:Allamakee Democrat

Welcome!

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WT:VIP
There are lots of alternate ways of calling attention to an entry. VIP is typically for active vandalism spanning a whole slew of entries.

Please try using, ,  and more often.

Thanks! --Connel MacKenzie T C 08:38, 1 July 2006 (UTC)

 * Also, be aware of what to call vandalism and what not. Try browsing the histories of pages to identify it. In the case of common noun and proper noun, I can't see what you mean. These are just decent definitions, not vandalism. — Vildricianus 08:44, 1 July 2006 (UTC)

nightshade
Hmm, it was my understanding that nightshade refers just to the genus Solanum rather than to the whole family. Can you check your source? Widsith 11:39, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

Etymology
Please note that "Etymology" is at level 3... that's already two signs you don't have to type. — Vildricianus 21:49, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

Qui, moi?
Teasing? I hope not. I try to give realistic summaries. Could you please edit that example sentence into shape, so that it'll pass the test of time? TIA. --Connel MacKenzie 23:21, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

kine
Your formatting was a little off. I've added instead a link to kith and kine – d'you want to put an entry in for it? Widsith 09:05, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

See my mail
Just now.--Allamakee Democrat 01:38, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
 * IRC is a better medium to quickly contact sysops. — Vildricianus 06:52, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
 * I haven't done IRC in years. Did click. Which am I to download? I have a latest-greatest version of Windows (new three months ago via Dell). Take this to mail and delete.--Allamakee Democrat 07:11, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Meta has more information. If you're on Firefox, Chatzilla should do. — Vildricianus 07:14, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

 * I second that, at least, with IRC, you can contact directly admins that aren't sleeping. E-mail is not suitable for urgency. I don't read my e-mail when sleeping. Kipmaster 07:44, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

heresiarch
Hiya. The pronunciation given is actually standard UK, which I should have labelled accordingly but didn't. We don't pronounce the 2nd R, it just serves to lengthen the vowel. I'm not confident enough to add US prons as well, particularly since there are so many. As for the Greek issue, not sure what to say except suggest you download a decent Greek font! Cheers, Widsith 07:22, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

councilor
It is bad form to move the entry to the American spelling. The Common Wealth spelling now needs an entry, not a redirect. You are supposed to just create the separate corresponding entry, never move it from a valid spelling. See Beer parlour archive/January 06,  Beer parlour archive/March 06 and about a dozen earlier conversations on the topic. --Connel MacKenzie 00:09, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

crib
In addition to what I wrote on the Tea Room, I see that the sOED has a note saying that the sense of ‘translated version, plagiarism’ etc. developed from the verb (which itself developed from the noun!). As a verb, crib can mean ‘steal’, and from there it developed the sense of ‘plagiarise’, and hence presumably the noun sense. The best way of dealing with this is probably to add a line in the =Etymology= bit saying that some senses came from the verb (see what I've done for example with wave, Etymology 2; but you may want a different solution). Widsith 07:25, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

Awesome selection of citations. You mentioned using subsenses – it can be done. Have a look at deal or ward for examples. However, be aware it isn't universally accepted here yet (Connel in particular dislikes them). Widsith 07:56, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

hematoma
My brother had a hematoma, in fact of the contra-coup variety. He fell well-drunk down the stairs to the basement, and hit his head on the thing above. And within that magic hour, had neurosurgery that saved his life and mind, sort-of.

The word is not spelled haematoma. --Allamakee Democrat 06:27, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

 * I don't understand what you're trying to tell me. Are you saying I made a mistake somewhere, e.g. in this edit to the word "haematoma"? Rod (A. Smith) 06:31, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

Hematoma is how it is spelled in English. --Allamakee Democrat 06:35, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

Heamatomata is possible, but silly, in AmE. A hematoma is a bruise. A contra-coup injury is a neurological disaster area. Such is my brother.--Allamakee Democrat 07:14, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

 * I empathize with you for your brother's injury. I know that the classical spelling haematoma looks a bit unusual compared with the modern hematoma, but as you can see from http://books.google.com/books?q=Haematoma, the spelling with "ae" is also English. Also, although the naturalized hematomas is more common, http://books.google.com/books?q=Haematomata and http://books.google.com/books?q=Hematomata show that the classical -ata plural is also used. Rod (A. Smith) 07:33, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

Vandalism
I'm here, bit I don't see which entries you are referring to. Is there one in particular? Rod (A. Smith) 04:38, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

Thanks. Reverted and blocked. Rod (A. Smith) 04:43, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

Kestral
Kestral is a fairly common variant spelling of Kestrel. A friend of mine opened a restaraunt named Kestral and I was sure it was mis-spelled until I checked ... would be a useful redirect; that's what WP does. Robert Ullmann 22:57, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

Special:Wantedpages
Don't forget, there is also Special:Wantedpages that you can attack, without clearing the lists we maintain manually for newcomers. :-) --Connel MacKenzie 04:26, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

 * I'm really warming up to your idea of listing "toughies" now. The automation stuff seems riddled with problems; as soon as one problem is addressed, three more crop up.  ;-(  --Connel MacKenzie 08:26, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

Quotes
Re: gall Please use the correct quote format as per Quotations. Rklawton 13:42, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

double possessive
Are we allowed to take this further? e.g. St. Paul's Cathedral's vergers' cat's fleas! SemperBlotto 11:42, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

patriclan
Your other definition. Did you not mean patrician? Regards Andrew massyn 13:34, 12 August 2006 (UTC) lower case L. it fooled my elderly eyes, and my need for new glasses. You are welcomed to correct. Never heard of patriclan, by the way. --Allamakee Democrat 13:51, 12 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Yeah,I hadn't heard of it until yesterday when I was reading the book I quoted in the article. Andrew massyn 14:00, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

Do not redirect spellings: criticise
US/UK spelling differences are an ongoing point of contention. Entering one form or the other as a redirect is not NPOV. Each should have a stub (or a complete) entry. --Connel MacKenzie 20:12, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

 * This was not meant to be a rude statement. I was trying to be informative.  There have been a billion flamewars about US/UK spellings vs. deletions vs. redirects vs. partial redirects vs. section sharing, vs. section redirecting vs. entry sharing.

 * I'm sorry if my tone came across as rude. However, entering redirects for one or the other, has met uniform resistance from both sides of the pond.

 * I will try to find the "-ise"/"-ize" rule that I remember seeing on User talk:Paul G. Paul has spent probably the most time (of any of us) researching the actual rules involved.  --Connel MacKenzie 06:32, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

Homo sapien
If you'll check the edit history and the RFV discussion, you'll see that I didn't enter the word and that others argued for keeping it. I merely added a stronger indication that the word is considered incorrect and should be avoided unless you want to appear educated. And please refrain from profanity directed at other users. --EncycloPetey 03:51, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

 * But you're not going to apologize for your error and insult? --EncycloPetey 04:00, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

 * Very well then. You've been blocked for one hour for personal attack and profanity.  The next time you want to be nasty, please take it somewhere else.  Should you slip again, an apology can go a long way. --EncycloPetey 04:18, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

demonstrative adjective
Such commentary, while acceptable on talk pages, is inappropriate for main entries. Please refrain in the future. -Atelaes λάλει ἐμοί 04:39, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

ass
I have fixed your edit to ass, under Etymology 2, please note the correct usage of. Regards, --Williamsayers79 15:55, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

γέρων
Thanks for noting the descendants. However, we generally don't have conversations in the entry itself, but rather on the discussion page. I've moved the comments to Talk:γέρων and replied there, if you care to take a look. -Atelaes λάλει ἐμοί 03:32, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

title: User talk:Allamakee Democrat


text:
entitas

Etymology
.

Noun

 * 1) entity

Etymology

 * compare

Noun

 * 1)  an

title: entitas


text:
User:Tommy Kronkvist

Most of my wiki contributions are made to Wikispecies where I'm an admin and bureaucrat, ( verify ) as admin at the Swedish version of Wikivoyage ( verify ) and to the Swedish Wikimedia Chapter Wikimedia Sverige, where I'm an admin. ( verify ) Swedish is my mother tongue – even though I was born in Finland – but I feel fairly comfortable speaking and writing English and some German as well. Odd as it may seem, unfortunately I can't speak any Finnish.

My family name consists of two parts: kron – a short form of the Swedish word krona meaning 'crown', as in coronation crown or tree crown – and kvist, meaning 'bough' or 'twig'. Hence the name Kronkvist refers to a twig in the canopy of a forest. I'm the fourth generation of Kronkvist's. Before that our family name was Mattus, dating back from at least 1637. I've lived all over Sweden but nowadays reside in Uppsala, the fourth biggest city in Sweden.

title: User:Tommy Kronkvist


text: pulvil

title: pulvil


text:
assigned servant

Noun

 * 1)  A convict assigned to work as a servant for a free settler (either a male or female convict, and either a male or female settler).

Usage notes

 * The term was considered an insult in early colonial Australia (reference:, The Fatal Shore, 1987, paperback ISBN 1-86046-150-6, page xi.). Assigned servant was one of several euphemisms; see  for others.

title: assigned servant


text:
government man

Noun

 * 1) A representative of the government.
 * 2) A supporter of the government.
 * 3)  A convict.

Usage notes
The term convict was considered an insult in early colonial Australia, government man was the approved euphemism. See for other terms.

title: government man


text:
public servant

Noun

 * 1) A person employed by the government.
 * 2)  Someone who labours for the public good; a convict assigned to work on public projects.
 * 1)  Someone who labours for the public good; a convict assigned to work on public projects.
 * 1)  Someone who labours for the public good; a convict assigned to work on public projects.
 * 1)  Someone who labours for the public good; a convict assigned to work on public projects.
 * 1)  Someone who labours for the public good; a convict assigned to work on public projects.

title: public servant


text:
esclavo

Etymology
, from, from (or borrowed from the Greek directly), see that entry for more. .

Noun

 * 1) slave

title: esclavo


text:
interphalangeal

Adjective

 * 1) Between phalanges, as with an interphalangeal joint.

Translations

 * Vietnamese: gian đốt, giữa đốt

Noun

 * 1) Any such bone

title: interphalangeal


text:
payaso

Etymology
.

Noun

 * 1) clown

Etymology
, from, whence British English and general English. Compare 🇨🇬.

Adjective

 * 1) clownish; buffoonlike

Noun

 * 1) clown

Etymology
.

Noun

 * 1) clown

title: payaso


text:
satisfice

Etymology 1
1560, Northern alteration of, probably influenced in form by 🇨🇬.

Verb

 * 1)  To satisfy.

Etymology 2
,.

Verb

 * 1)  Of human behavior: to make a choice that suffices to fulfill the minimum requirements to achieve an objective, without special regard for utility maximization or optimization of one's preferences.

title: satisfice


text:
gavilán

Etymology
Probably from a derivative of ; compare 🇨🇬 and 🇨🇬,.

Noun

 * 1) sparrow hawk
 * 2) nib of a pen
 * 3)  ingrown toenail

title: gavilán


text:
sparrow hawk

Noun

 * 1) The American kestrel or , a small falcon found in North and South America that preys on grasshoppers and small animals.
 * 2) ; the Eurasian sparrowhawk, a small, short-winged European hawk and other similar Old World accipiters, that prey on smaller birds.

title: sparrow hawk


text:
camarilla

Etymology
Borrowed from, from and the diminutive suffix.

Noun

 * 1) A secret, usually sinister, group of conspiring advisors close to the leadership; a cabal.

Etymology
.

Etymology
.

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1) a secret, usually sinister, group of conspiring advisors close to the leadership; a cabal
 * 2) * "El objetivo implícito de esta línea de pensamiento es un mundo de pesadilla en el que el líder, o alguna camarilla gobernante, controla no sólo el futuro sino también el pasado." — George Orwell, «Mirando hacia atrás a la guerra civil española.» (otoño de 1942)

title: camarilla


text:
dueño

Etymology
From, shortened variant of. Compare 🇨🇬, 🇨🇬.

Noun

 * 1) owner

Etymology
, shortened variant of. Cognates include 🇨🇬, 🇨🇬 and 🇨🇬, 🇨🇬, 🇨🇬, 🇨🇬, 🇨🇬.

Noun

 * 1) owner, proprietor, landlord
 * 2) master
 * 1) master
 * 1) master

title: dueño


text:
fixus

Etymology
Perfect passive participle of.

Participle

 * 1) unwavering
 * 2) constant
 * 3) immovable, fixed, fastened
 * 1) constant
 * 2) immovable, fixed, fastened

Descendants

 * Italo-Dalmatian
 * West Iberian
 * West Iberian
 * West Iberian
 * West Iberian
 * West Iberian
 * West Iberian
 * West Iberian
 * West Iberian
 * West Iberian
 * West Iberian

 * Borrowings

title: fixus


text:
Talk:cumin

Pronunciation request
Cumin What is the correct pronounceation of the word Cumin, it is a spice used in cooking —This unsigned comment was added by 203.87.42.188 (talk • contribs) 2006-06-26 01:39:33.

 * A request for pronunciation has been added to the "cumin" entry. Rod (A. Smith) 03:49, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

title: Talk:cumin


text: calienta

title: calienta


text:
brindar

Etymology
.

Verb

 * 1) to toast engage in a salutation

Etymology
Attested since 1707. From, probably borrowed from , ultimately from.

Verb

 * 1) to toast engage in a salutation

Etymology
From.

Verb

 * 1)  to toast engage in a salutation

Etymology
From, borrowed from.

Verb

 * 1)  to toast, drink (a toast) to to engage in a salutation and/or accompanying raising of glasses while drinking alcohol in honor of someone or something
 * 2)  to offer, provide, bring to give what is needed or desired
 * 3)  to yield to produce as a return
 * 4)  to dedicate to designate (a bull) as being for another person as a mark of respect or affection
 * 5)  to offer to propose or express one's willingness (to do something)
 * 1)  to offer to propose or express one's willingness (to do something)

title: brindar


text:
brincar

Verb

 * 1) to play
 * 2) to jump around

Etymology
From. Alternatively from.

Verb

 * 1) to play, as in child's play or "playing around"
 * 2) to joke

Etymology
, a verb based on, from.

Verb

 * 1)  to jump around, leap about, bounce to propel oneself rapidly upward
 * 2)  to frolic, gambol to move about playfully and uninhibitedly
 * 1)  to frolic, gambol to move about playfully and uninhibitedly

title: brincar


text:
గురించి

Etymology
From.

Postposition

 * 1) about, regarding, concerning, on account of

Affix

 * 1) An affix used with the accusative case.

title: గురించి


text: ఒప్పందం

title: ఒప్పందం


text:
అంగీకారం

Noun

 * 1) consent, acceptance, agreement, approval.

title: అంగీకారం


text:
వాదించు

Verb

 * 1) to argue, to debate

title: వాదించు


text:
Talk:initiative

Questions
I have a few questions that i would like to know about initiative...

 * When should you use it?
 * How should you use it?
 * Who should use it?
 * Why should you use it?
 * What are its benifits?

Thank You, Maddie. —This unsigned comment was added by 58.105.151.191 (talk • contribs) 2006-06-26 02:51:19.

 * Are you asking about the word "initiative" or about initiative itself? Rod (A. Smith) 03:53, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

initiative
Rfd-redundant: "An executive project proposed to solve [a] current problem or to prevent [a] potential one in order to prevent loss or to [prevent] [an] actual or potential cost now or in the future." —Ruakh TALK 15:55, 25 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Just a specific example of the previous definition. Removed SemperBlotto (talk) 16:17, 25 September 2012 (UTC)

title: Talk:initiative


text: CAPEX

title: CAPEX


text:
User talk:Access sri~enwiktionary

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What language is that, anyway? Please use a level-2 header (" ==Whatever== ") to indicate it.

—scs 03:29, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

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title: User talk:Access sri~enwiktionary


text:
afterglow

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1) The glow seen in the sky after sunset.
 * 2) The light emitted by an incandescent object while cooling.
 * 3) * 1984, (as Paul Benjamin), Squeeze Play, London: Faber & Faber, 1991, Chapter 19, p.176,
 * Nothing will matter to you more than that [base]ball. It will hold you so completely that when you at last file out and return to the normal world, it will stay with you like the afterglow of a flashbulb that’s gone off in your eyes.
 * 1) The light emitted by a phosphor after excitation.
 * 2) The mildly euphoric feeling experienced after a pleasurable experience, especially after an orgasm or drug-induced high.
 * 3) An afterparty.
 * 1) The light emitted by an incandescent object while cooling.
 * 2) * 1984, (as Paul Benjamin), Squeeze Play, London: Faber & Faber, 1991, Chapter 19, p.176,
 * Nothing will matter to you more than that [base]ball. It will hold you so completely that when you at last file out and return to the normal world, it will stay with you like the afterglow of a flashbulb that’s gone off in your eyes.
 * 1) The light emitted by a phosphor after excitation.
 * 2) The mildly euphoric feeling experienced after a pleasurable experience, especially after an orgasm or drug-induced high.
 * 3) An afterparty.
 * 1) An afterparty.
 * 1) An afterparty.
 * 1) An afterparty.
 * 1) An afterparty.

Translations

 * Bulgarian:
 * Chinese:
 * Mandarin:
 * Dutch:
 * Finnish:
 * Galician:
 * Indonesian:
 * Japanese:
 * Korean:
 * Manx: aahollys
 * Norwegian: aftenrøde
 * Occitan: clarum,, lusor
 * Old Javanese: layuṅ
 * Polish: zorza wieczorna,
 * Serbo-Croatian: večernje rumenilo
 * Sundanese:
 * Swedish:

 * Finnish: jälkihehku

 * Finnish: jälkihehku
 * Polish:

 * Finnish: jälkihehku,

title: afterglow


text:
irides

Noun

 * 1)  part of the eye

title: irides


text: supieras

title: supieras


text:
dúkr

Etymology
Probably related to 🇨🇬, 🇨🇬 or 🇨🇬; ultimately from.

Noun

 * 1) cloth

title: dúkr


text:
tuoch

Etymology
From. Akin to Old Norse.

Noun

 * 1) cloth

title: tuoch


text:
duk

Alternative forms

 * (Gheg)

Etymology
See medio-passive voice form.

Noun

 * 1) virtue
 * 2) attribute

Verb
, active voice

 * 1) it seemed
 * 2) it looked like
 * 3) it appeared

Conjugation
conjugation of (active voice)

(*): Gheg forms

Etymology
From, from , from , from.

Noun

 * 1) a piece of cloth:
 * 2) cloth menstrual pad.

Etymology
.

Etymology
, from.

Noun

 * , guide, boss
 * 1) commander, general
 * 2) noble, lord especially of high rank
 * 3)  rank of nobility

Etymology
From and.

Noun

 * 1) a cloth, tablecloth, altar cloth, dropcloth etc.
 * 2) canvas, tarpaulin
 * 3) bandana, handkerchief
 * 4) metal sieve

Etymology
From and.

Noun

 * 1) a cloth, tablecloth, altar cloth, dropcloth etc.
 * 2) canvas, tarpaulin
 * 3) bandana, handkerchief
 * 4) metal sieve

Etymology
.

Noun

 * 1) stab, thrust
 * 2) while
 * 3) (black) fibre of the sugar palm

Adverb

 * 1) just while

Noun

 * 1) garbage

Etymology
From, from , from ,.

Noun

 * 1) tablecloth; a piece of cloth used for protection of a table or for decoration

title: duk


text:
appendectomy

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1)  The surgical procedure for the removal of the vermiform appendix.

Translations

 * Albanian: apendektomi
 * Arabic: اِسْتِئْصَال الزَائِدَة الدُودِيَّة
 * Catalan: apendicectomia
 * Chinese:
 * Mandarin:
 * Czech:
 * Dutch: appendectomie
 * Finnish: umpilisäkkeen poisto
 * French:
 * German:
 * Greek:
 * Haitian Creole: apendisèktomi
 * Hebrew: כריתת התוספתן, כריתת התוספתן
 * Hungarian:
 * Icelandic: botnlanganám, botnlangaskurður
 * Indonesian: pembedahan usus buntu
 * Interlingua: appendicectomia
 * Italian:
 * Japanese: 虫垂切除術, 盲腸炎手術
 * Korean: 충수절제술
 * Lithuanian: apendektomija
 * Macedonian: операција на слепо црево
 * Polish: wycięcie ślepej kiszki
 * Portuguese: ,
 * Romanian: apendicectomie
 * Russian:
 * Slovak: apendektómia
 * Spanish:
 * Swedish:
 * Tagalog: alishugpong
 * Tamil: குடல்வால் அறுவை
 * Thai: การผ่าตัดไส้ติ่ง
 * Tibetan: རྒྱུ་ལྷག་གཤག་བཅོས
 * Turkish: apandis ameliyatı, apendektomi

title: appendectomy


text:
Rabe

Etymology
From, from , from , from , ultimately from. See also.

Compare, , , ,.

Noun

 * 1) raven
 * 2)  the constellation Corvus

title: Rabe


text:
Quacksalber

Etymology
16th century, from, derived from (unsure whether verb or noun). Further origin disputed, though the second component is definitely.

Noun

 * 1)  quack, quacksalver unqualified healer or incompetent doctor; male or unspecified sex

Usage notes

 * As a tendency, is the more northern word, while  is the more southern, though both are generally understood.

title: Quacksalber


text:
kwakzalver

Etymology
From, from +. Also compare,.

Noun

 * 1) A quacksalver, fake healer
 * 2)  A swindler, cheater, fraud, hustler
 * 1)  A swindler, cheater, fraud, hustler

title: kwakzalver


text:
Qualle

Etymology 1
16th century, from. Compare modern 🇨🇬, 🇨🇬 (17th c.). In spite of the earlier High German attestation, the Low German origin is agreed upon for both natural and dialectological reasons. Probably from (like etymology 2 below). However, an alternative theory derives it from a word for “curdled, coagulated”, from, from , from.

Noun

 * 1) jellyfish

Etymology 2
From, from.

Noun

 * 1)  fatso

title: Qualle


text:
twaróg

Etymology
, from.

Noun

 * 1) quark

title: twaróg


text:
tvaroh

Etymology
, from.

Noun

 * 1) quark (a soft creamy cheese)

Etymology
.

Noun

 * 1) quark (a soft creamy cheese)

title: tvaroh


text:
túró

Etymology 1
From a language.

Noun

 * 1) cottage cheese

Derived terms

 * (hence:, and )

title: túró


text:
ostr

Etymology
From. Akin to Latin, Proto-Slavic. Compare 🇨🇬.

Noun

 * 1) cheese

Descendants

 * (Sylt)
 * (Sylt)
 * (Sylt)
 * (Sylt)
 * (Sylt)
 * (Sylt)
 * (Sylt)
 * (Sylt)

title: ostr


text:
Talk:productization

CFI
How is this a word? I would class this as "management-speak mumbo-jumbo". --Surturz 06:19, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

 * There are plenty of book authors who think it's a word. . Rod (A. Smith) 03:56, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

 * I agree with the new user: the "management-speak" is deliberatly improper, in an attempt to jar listeners into attentiveness. --Connel MacKenzie T C 04:06, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

 * Looking at the list of books in that external link you have provided has proved, to me anyway, that this non-word is definitely management-speak-mumbo-jumbo :-) --Surturz 03:15, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

title: Talk:productization


text:
Quaste

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1) tassel

title: Quaste


text:
questa

Etymology
From, from , from.

Etymology
From,.

Noun

 * 1) tassel

Etymology
Feminine of.

Determiner

 * 1) this

title: questa


text:
कुछ

Etymology
From, undergoing metathesis,, from , from , neuter singular of (whence ).

The -ch- reflects -śc- in.

Pronoun

 * 1) something
 * 2) a little, a bit
 * 3) somethings, some people
 * 1) somethings, some people

Declension
Declined differently depending on usage. As a singular inanimate pronoun:

As a plural animate pronoun:

As a plural inanimate pronoun:

Determiner

 * 1) some
 * 2) some
 * 1) some

Declension
Declined differently depending on usage. As a singular inanimate determiner, the indirect form is. As a plural animate or inanimate pronoun, the indirect form is.

Adverb

 * 1) somewhat, a bit, a little

title: कुछ


text:
kvast

Noun

 * 1) tassel
 * 2)  cyme

Noun

 * 1) a broom
 * 2) a tassel
 * 3)  a cyme

Usage notes
A broom like the ones witches fly on. A broom with a brush at the end is a.

title: kvast


text:
quecsilbar

Etymology
,

Noun

 * 1) mercury

title: quecsilbar


text:
silbar

Etymology
From, from. Cognate with 🇨🇬, 🇨🇬.

Noun

 * 1)  silver

Etymology
From, whence also 🇨🇬, 🇨🇬.

Noun

 * 1) silver

Etymology
, with syncope of /ĭ/ and metathesis of /l/. , which came through a Vulgar Latin variant form. Cognate with 🇨🇬.

Verb

 * 1)  to whistle

title: silbar


text:
silfr

Etymology
From, whence also 🇨🇬, 🇨🇬, 🇨🇬, 🇨🇬.

Noun

 * 1) silver

title: silfr


text:
quec

Etymology
.

Adjective

 * 1) having a stutter

Noun

 * 1) stutterer

Etymology
From, see also 🇨🇬, 🇨🇬. Ultimately from.

Adjective

 * 1) quick

title: quec


text:
kvikr

Etymology
From, whence also 🇨🇬, 🇨🇬. Ultimately from.

Adjective

 * 1) alive
 * 2) lively, quick

title: kvikr


text:
Roggen

Etymology
From a form of classical.

Noun

 * 1) rye

title: Roggen


text:
Rebhuhn

Etymology
From, from , , cognate to or adapted from which see for related terms.

Noun

 * 1) grey partridge
 * 2) partridge Perdix; any bird of the genus of Galliform gamebirds known collectively as the 'true partridges'

title: Rebhuhn


text:
koniology

Etymology
.

Noun

 * 1) the study of dust, pollen and other airborne particles.

title: koniology


text:
Quarz

Etymology
From (14th c., Bohemia), probably with the Central German development tw- → qu- (as in  etc.) from a  language (compare 🇨🇬, 🇨🇬), from.

Noun

 * 1) quartz

Noun

 * 1) quartz

title: Quarz


text:
twerc

Etymology
From, from , whence also 🇨🇬, 🇨🇬.

Noun

 * 1) dwarf

title: twerc


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dvergr

Etymology
From. Cognate with 🇨🇬, 🇨🇬, 🇨🇬, 🇨🇬,.

Noun

 * 1)   a dwarf
 * 2) * Vǫluspá, verse 9, lines 5-6, in 1860, T. Möbius, Edda Sæmundar hins fróða: mit einem Anhang zum Theil bisher ungedruckter Gedichte. Leipzig, page 2:
 * hverr skyldi dverga / dróttir skepja
 * who shall the dwarves '  / lord shape
 * 1) a short support pillar
 * 2) * Old Icelandic Homily Book, in 1872, T. Wisén, Homiliu-bók: Isländska homilier efter en handskrift från tolfte århundradet. Gleerup, page 100, lines 37-38:
 * Þuertre es scorþa staflǽgior oc upphalda dvergom,
 * Crosstrees that prop the beams and upholding pillars,
 * 1) a brooch, stud, dress pin
 * 2) * Rígsþula, verse 16, lines 7-8, in 1860, T. Möbius, Edda Sæmundar hins fróða: mit einem Anhang zum Theil bisher ungedruckter Gedichte. Leipzig, page 78:
 * dúkr var á hálsi, / dvergar á öxlum;
 * studs on her shoulders, / and scarf on her neck;

title: dvergr


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dvergur

Etymology
From, from.

Noun

 * 1) a dwarf

title: dvergur


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Rampe

Etymology
. Compare 🇨🇬.

Noun

 * 1) ramp

title: Rampe


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Ranke

Etymology
From, from.

Noun

 * 1) tendril (of vine)

title: Ranke


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Ranzen

Etymology
From, 15th century thieves' cant. From the same root as 🇨🇬 and 🇨🇬.

Noun

 * 1) satchel

title: Ranzen


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Rappe

Etymology
Borrowed from.

Statistics

 * According to the 2010 United States Census, Rappe is the 28100th most common surname in the United States, belonging to 852 individuals. Rappe is most common among White (95.66%) individuals.

Etymology
See Rabe

Noun

 * 1) black horse

title: Rappe


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Rasen

Etymology
From north-eastern, probably from , though the two could also be cognate forms. Further origin presumably a variant of, from , which has been inherited as 🇨🇬. The intermitting r might be due to influence from dialectal forms of, notably , , , ,.

Noun

 * 1) lawn
 * 2) turf
 * 1) turf

title: Rasen


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Rast

Noun

 * 1) rest, a pause, a halt; to stop a march, hike or journey for recreational purposes

Etymology
, from.

title: Rast


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Rede

Etymology
From, from.

Proper noun

 * , which joins the at.

Etymology
From, from , , from , ; from the same root as. Cognate with 🇨🇬 and 🇨🇬, 🇨🇬.

Noun

 * 1) speech, address

title: Rede


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Regel

Etymology
From, from , from.

Noun

 * 1) rule
 * 2)  menstruation

title: Regel


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Reh

Etymology
From, , from , , from , from ,. More at.

Noun

 * 1) roe deer small deer species,

Etymology
From, from , from , from.

Noun

 * 1) deer

title: Reh


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reiben

Etymology
From, from , from , from.

Cognate with 🇨🇬, 🇨🇬, 🇨🇬. Compare 🇨🇬.

Verb

 * 1)  to rub; to chafe
 * 2)  to grate
 * 1)  to grate
 * 1)  to grate

title: reiben


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Reif

Etymology 1
From, from , from , from , from.

Cognate with 🇨🇬, 🇨🇬, 🇨🇬, 🇨🇬. More at.

Noun

 * 1)  any ring-shaped piece of jewelry

Etymology 2
From, from.

Noun

 * 1) frost; hoar frost cover of minute ice crystals on a surface
 * 2) * Anton Wilhelm von Zuccalmaglio, "Es fiel ein Reif in der Frühlingsnacht".
 * "de"

- Es fiel ein Reif in der Frühlingsnacht, er fiel auf die bunten Blaublümelein, sie sind verwelket, verdorret.

Noun

 * 1) frost

Etymology
Ultimately related to, similar to 🇨🇬.

Noun

 * 1) tire (rubber)

title: Reif


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Pilger

Etymology
From, , , from , from.

Noun

 * 1) pilgrim

Noun

 * 1) pilgrim

title: Pilger


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Pinsel

Etymology
From, , from , from , alteration of.

Noun

 * 1) paintbrush
 * 2)  short form of Einfaltspinsel
 * 1)  short form of Einfaltspinsel

title: Pinsel


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pinceau

Etymology
From, from *penicellus, alteration of.

Noun

 * 1) paintbrush

title: pinceau


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Pokal

Etymology
16th century, from.

Noun

 * 1) goblet, chalice
 * 2)  cup, trophy
 * 1)  cup, trophy

title: Pokal


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boccale

Adjective

 * 1) oral, mouth

Etymology 2
From a crossing of with, from ; probably of  or  origin.

Noun

 * 1) a serving vessel:
 * 2) jug
 * 3) stein
 * 4) a quantity of liquid held by such a vessel:
 * 5) jugful
 * 6) steinful
 * 7)  a unit of measure for volume used in Italy, with different values according to the area
 * 8)  urinal

title: boccale


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Polster

Etymology
From, , from , , from , from , from. Compare 🇨🇬, 🇨🇬, 🇨🇬.

Noun
or

 * 1) pad, padding
 * 2) upholstery
 * 3) reserve, especially of a financial nature
 * 4)  cushion, pillow

Usage notes

 * In Austria, this noun's gender is masculine, and its plural form is Pölster.

Declension
Neuter declension:

Masculine declension:

title: Polster


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Pracht

Etymology
From, from , from.

Noun

 * 1) splendor, resplendence, magnificence, pomp
 * 2) * 1924, Friedrich Bernhard Störzner, Das weiße Männchen auf dem Kirchberge, in: Reinhardtswalder Sagenbüchlein, Buchhandlung Otto Schmidt, page 11:
 * "de"

- Droben am Himmel funkelten die Sterne in seltener Pracht.

title: Pracht


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Preis

Etymology
From, ultimately from.

Noun

 * 1) price
 * 2) prize, award
 * 1) prize, award
 * 1) prize, award
 * 1) prize, award

Noun

 * 1) price

title: Preis


text:
prüfen

Etymology
From (13th c.), originally restricted to Central German. Ultimately from and hence a. The form with umlaut (and also  in the past tense ) suggests a, whence also 🇨🇬, 🇨🇬. The late attestation on the other hand speaks in favour of a later borrowing from. In this case the word may have passed through, which would explain the umlaut as analogical (cf. the lack of long umlaut vowels in western Dutch vs. their presence in eastern dialects).

Verb

 * 1) to check, test, examine
 * 2) to subject (something) to an inspection or review
 * 3) to subject (someone or something) to a formal test or trial
 * 4)  to try, to put (someone) through hardship
 * 1)  to try, to put (someone) through hardship
 * 1)  to try, to put (someone) through hardship

title: prüfen


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Puder

Etymology
..

Noun

 * 1) powder (for cosmetic purposes)

Usage notes

 * The more general word for “powder” is.
 * The use as a neuter (perhaps influenced by ) is considered colloquial by some authorities, but is well attestable in edited texts. In the vernaculars of northern and central Germany, Puder is predominantly neuter.

title: Puder


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Pulver

Etymology
From, from , from. .

Noun

 * 1) powder (in most of its senses)
 * 2)  money

Usage notes

 * Powder for cosmetic purposes is called.

Noun

 * 1) powder

title: Pulver


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poudre

Etymology
,, from , neuter plural based on , from.

Noun

 * 1)  dust
 * 2) powder
 * 1) powder

Etymology 1
From, ultimately from.

Noun

 * 1) powder a collection of particles:
 * 2) Dust; powder as a waste products or generated from the remains of something.
 * 3) Ashes; the matter produced by combustion.
 * 4) Earth, dirt; the particles that compose soil.
 * 5) Various powders as used in medicine or alchemy.
 * 6) Powders used for culinary purposes; spices.
 * 7)  Gunpowder; black powder.
 * 8) The results of the decomposition of one's corpse.
 * 9)  A speckling; an stippled pattern.

Etymology
From, neuter plural based on , from. Compare 🇨🇬,.

Noun

 * 1) powder
 * 2) dust

title: poudre


text:
polvere

Etymology
, from. , from the Latin nominative. Akin to 🇨🇬.

Noun

 * 1) dust, powder

title: polvere


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Pult

Etymology
From, from.

Noun

 * 1) desk or rack for reading, writing, etc., prototypically with a tilted top;  a specified area or platform with such a desk
 * 2) lectern, pulpit, podium
 * 3) teacher's desk in a classroom
 * 4) student's desk in a classroom
 * 5) music stand
 * 6) conductor's stand
 * 7) control panel
 * 1) conductor's stand
 * 2) control panel
 * 1) control panel
 * 1) control panel

Noun

 * 1) pulpit

title: Pult


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Puppe

Etymology
. Sense of "pupa" borrowed from.

Noun

 * 1)  doll
 * 2)  pupa
 * 3)  girl
 * 4) dummy

title: Puppe


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poupée

Etymology
, from, (cf. also 🇨🇬), or  (with the French suffix  later added), ultimately from.

Noun

 * 1) doll object

title: poupée


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Reihe

Etymology
From, akin to 🇨🇬. More at.

Noun

 * 1) row
 * 2) rank, succession, series, sequence, range
 * 3)  series
 * 4)  rank

title: Reihe


text:
Reiher

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1) heron

title: Reiher


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Reim

Etymology
From. In form probably inherited from, from. However, the sense follows, whose origin is uncertain: either from the same Germanic noun or from. In the latter case, a.

Noun

 * 1) rhyme poetic device
 * 2) rhyme, rhyming phrase, short verse
 * 3)  rime part of a syllable after the onset

Noun

 * 1) rhyme

title: Reim


text:
ratih

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1) radish

title: ratih


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Reue

Etymology
From, from , from.

Noun

 * 1) repentance; remorse, regret

title: Reue


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Riegel

Proper noun

 * 1) Riegel am Kaiserstuhl, a municipality in the district of Emmendingen in Baden-Württemberg, Germany.
 * 1) Riegel am Kaiserstuhl, a municipality in the district of Emmendingen in Baden-Württemberg, Germany.

Etymology
From, from , of unclear derivation, either related to words like , , , or borrowed from. Cognate to 🇨🇬, 🇨🇬.

Noun

 * 1) bolt; latch
 * 2) short bar (e.g. of chocolate)

title: Riegel


text:
Riemen

Etymology 1
From, from , from.

Because of its superficial similarity to, some early Russian dictionaries posited a connection between the words, either deriving the Slavic one from the Germanic one (as Chudinov did), or deriving the Germanic word from the Slavic one (as Dal did). The latter suggestion is impossible, as the Germanic pedigree of is impeccable; the former suggestion is also impossible, according to Vasmer, for phonological reasons.

Noun

 * 1) strap long, narrow, pliable strip of leather, cloth, or the like
 * 2) belt band used in a machine to help transfer motion or power

Etymology 2
From, from , from.

The word was chiefly restricted to the technical languages of seafaring and navigation on the Rhine, in both of which  has indicated primarily the rudder.

Noun

 * 1) oar implement used to propel a boat or ship

Usage notes

 * The word is now current in the terminology of seafaring and watersports, and is familiar to those acquainted with either. Otherwise it may be unknown to many, even well-educated, native speakers.

title: Riemen


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Riff

Etymology 1
,, from.

Noun

 * 1) reef

Etymology 2
.

Noun

 * 1) riff (instrumental melody line)

title: Riff


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Rille

Proper noun
la

 * 1)  river in Normandie

Etymology
, from, probably an old diminutive of , in spite of late attestations. Compare 🇨🇬, 🇨🇬.

Noun

 * 1) groove narrow channel; often one of several parallel ones

title: Rille


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Rinne

Etymology
Two main origins:
 * Borrowed from, a topographic or ornamental surname from.
 * Borrowed from, a topographic surname from.

Statistics

 * According to the 2010 United States Census, Rinne is the 38050th most common surname in the United States, belonging to 583 individuals. Rinne is most common among White (95.37%) individuals.

Etymology
<

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1) groove
 * 2)  gutter

title: Rinne


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Rippe

Etymology
From (also, , , ), from , , (also , ), from , from.

Cognate with 🇨🇬, 🇨🇬, 🇨🇬, 🇨🇬.

Noun

 * 1) rib

Usage note: A piece of a row of chocolate is also called "Rippe".

title: Rippe


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Ritt

Etymology
From the verb reiten.

Noun

 * 1) ride

title: Ritt


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Ritze

Noun

 * 1) chink, crack, cranny
 * 2)  vagina, crack

title: Ritze


text:
ritzen

Etymology
From, (in combinations), from the fusion of  (from ) and ,  (from ).

Compare 🇨🇬, 🇨🇬, whence English dialectal.

Verb

 * 1) to scratch
 * 2) to cut
 * 1) to cut

title: ritzen


text:
Talk:manteca

Transwiki from Wikipedia
Over in Wikipedia we had the line:
 * ''Manteca (Sp. butter, lard)

Apparently I'll get my arse kicked if I don't add this to Wiktionary, but since I don't know if it's meant to go at Manteca or manteca I'm leaving this note instead.--Commander Keane 09:07, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

 * Thanks. Added at "manteca". Rod (A. Smith) 04:08, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

title: Talk:manteca


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Talk:deadhead

science fiction term
I removed this line from Wikipedia (the Deadhead page):
 *  a transhumanist and science-fiction term denoting a person who hopes to see the future without having to experience the intervening time by hibernating in cryostasis

Might need to be included here, I don't have any sources for it though.--Commander Keane 09:22, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

 * This is from Cory Doctorow's Down and Out in the Magic Kingdom. I'm not sure if this meets the "attestation" test for inclusion. On the one hand, it is a well-known work. On the other hand, it is only one work. Be nice if we can find another sf work that uses it the same way. --Dunhamrc 04:19, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

plumbing term

 * Oops, one more:
 * "deadhead" or "dead head" is a term in plumbing, which may refer to the situation where the normally flowing fluid comes to a stop.
 * --Commander Keane 09:23, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

Be bold! Rod (A. Smith) 04:09, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

title: Talk:deadhead


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Ruck

Etymology
Borrowed from or.

Statistics

 * According to the 2010 United States Census, Ruck is the 14458th most common surname in the United States, belonging to 2066 individuals. Ruck is most common among White (88.63%) individuals.

Etymology
From, from.

Noun

 * 1) jerk
 * 2) jolt

title: Ruck


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Rudel

Noun

 * 1) pack of wolves, dogs, hyenas etc.

title: Rudel


text:
Ruder

Etymology
From, from , , from. Compare 🇨🇬, 🇨🇬.

Noun

 * 1) oar
 * 2) rudder
 * 3)  control, power
 * 1) rudder
 * 2)  control, power
 * 1)  control, power

title: Ruder


text:
Rüge

Etymology
.

Noun

 * 1) rebuke

title: Rüge


text:
Ruhe

Etymology
Borrowed from.

Statistics

 * According to the 2010 United States Census, Ruhe is the 26853rd most common surname in the United States, belonging to 905 individuals. Ruhe is most common among White (93.26%) individuals.

Etymology
From, , from , from.

Noun

 * 1) calm, relative quietness absence of loud sounds
 * 2) calmness, serenity
 * 3) rest, repose
 * 4) * 1844, Felix Mendelssohn, Hör' mein Bitten (with literal translation):
 * "de"
 * "de"

- O könnt' ich fliegen wie Tauben dahin, weit hinweg vor dem Feinde zu fliehn! In die Wüste eilt' ich dann fort, fände Ruhe am schattigen Ort.

title: Ruhe


text:
Ruhm

Alternative forms

 * Rhum

Etymology
From, from , from , from.

Noun

 * 1) fame, glory

title: Ruhm


text:
Rummel

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1)  bustle, fuss
 * 2)  fair, funfair
 * 1)  fair, funfair

title: Rummel


text:
rummeln

Etymology
From, ultimately , similar to 🇨🇬.

Verb

 * 1) to rumble

title: rummeln


text:
Rumpf

Etymology
From, perhaps ultimately related to. See for more.

Noun

 * 1)  trunk; torso body excluding the head and limbs
 * 2)  hull
 * 3)  fuselage

title: Rumpf


text:
Runzel

Etymology
From, from , from , from a nasalized form of , from a phonetic extension of. Compare 🇨🇬.

Noun

 * 1) wrinkle

title: Runzel


text:
rüsten

Etymology
From, from , (8th century), from , cognate with 🇨🇬, root-cognate with Greek.

Verb

 * 1) to equip, to arm
 * 2)  to prepare, make ready

title: rüsten


text:
gaukr

Etymology
From, akin to Old English , Old High German.

Noun

 * 1) cuckoo

Derived terms

 * ('cuckoo-month', the first summer month)

title: gaukr


text:
gouh

Etymology
Common, akin to 🇨🇬, 🇨🇬, from.

Noun

 * 1) cuckoo
 * 2) fool

Etymology
From. Cognate with 🇨🇬, 🇨🇬, 🇨🇬.

Classifier

 * 1) pair

title: gouh


text:
säen

Etymology
Possibly a derivative of dialectal as.

Etymology
From, from , , , from , from , from.

Compare 🇨🇬, 🇨🇬, 🇨🇬, 🇨🇬. The expected modern spelling would be with an -h- to mark the hiatus (as in, ), but this was avoided to distinguish from , subjunctive of.

Verb

 * 1)  to sow

title: säen


text:
polveri

Noun

 * 1) dusts, powders, filings

title: polveri


text:
Saite

Etymology
.

Adjective

 * 1) Of or relating to Saïs, Egypt.
 * 2) Of or relating to the  (the ‘Saite Period’).

Etymology
. In the 17th century, the ⟨ei⟩ was changed to the homophonous ⟨ai⟩, in order to distinguish this word from. Derived from originally.

Noun

 * 1)  string of a musical stringed instrument
 * 2)  string of a racquet

title: Saite