This is a rush transcript from "On the Record," September 23, 2013. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.  GRETA VAN SUSTEREN, FOX NEWS HOST: What's with the name calling? Fanatics, extremists and anarchists? No, it's not junior high, this is your Senate!  SEN. RAND PAUL, R-KY: People want us to stand up and fight ObamaCare.  UNIDENTIFIED MALE: America has learned that it's not working.  UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Americans all over this country are suffering because of ObamaCare! It is the single biggest job killer in America!  SEN. HARRY REID, SENATE MAJORITY LEADER: The ransom demanded by House Republicans in exchange for keeping the government open is unworkable and unrealistic.  REP. NANCY PELOSI, HOUSE MINORITY LEADER: They are anti-government ideologues.  UNIDENTIFIED MALE: No American wants a government shutdown. I don't want a government shutdown. No one on this side of the aisle wants a government shutdown.  SARAH PALIN, FOX CONTRIBUTOR/FORMER ALASKA GOVERNOR: We don't have to shut down government, which is the hysterical cry of the left at this point, if we are to undo, unfund, defund one program, ObamaCare.  UNIDENTIFIED MALE: There's no way we should be talking about shutting the government down.  UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I don't think Harry Reid and President Obama should shut down the government.  SEN. LINDSEY GRAHAM, R-S.C.: Here's the good news. We'll have a vote where every Republican votes to defund ObamaCare and practically every Democrat will keep it in place. And that will be the defining issue in 2014.  REID: So the question, are extremist Republicans really willing to shut down the government? Time will only tell.  BILL HEMMER, FOX NEWS HOST: Medicare cuts, the employer mandates delayed, and the subsidy verification delayed, out-of-pocket caps delayed.  GRAHAM: This bill sucks. It really does.  PAUL: In the end, the Democrats have the Senate and the presidency. It's going to be difficult ultimately to overcome them.  REID: We will not bow to Tea Party anarchists in the House or in the Senate who ignore the fact that President Obama was overwhelmingly reelected.  UNIDENTIFIED MALE: What does he say? He says, Well, I'll talk with Putin, negotiate with him. I'll negotiate with Assad. I'll negotiate with Iran. But I won't even talk to anyone in the United States Congress about fixing this health care bill!  UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I believe nothing is hurting the American people more, nothing is hurting the economy more, nothing is damaging jobs more than "Obama care"!  UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The Senate majority may have the upper hand, but the American people will and always must have the last word.  VAN SUSTEREN: And Senator Mike Lee joins us. Nice to see you, sir.  SEN. MIKE LEE, R-UTAH: Thank you.  VAN SUSTEREN: Before we get to the substance of the bill, let me ask a little bit about the U.S. Senate, Senator Harry Reid calling essentially you and Senator Cruz anarchists, fanatics, and also he accused you of promoting a "Thelma and Louise" style tactic.  LEE: Yes, I didn't know that's what we were doing. I thought what we were doing was standing on the side of the American people, standing on the side of the House of Representatives, and the leadership of speaker John Boehner, who last week bravely decided to stand with the American people and say, Let's keep the government funded, but let's protect the American people from ObamaCare, a law that's going to make health care more expensive and going to harm a lot of people.  VAN SUSTEREN: All right, so you're getting sort of a rough reception from the Democratic side of the aisle. I'm curious. Are things a little chilly among you Republicans there?  LEE: Well, you know, we don't always agree all the time on every single vote. And sometimes we disagree. But I think, as Republicans, we do stand behind the idea that we need to stop ObamaCare. We need to fight it. We need to stop it any way we can, even though some of us might have different ideas about how best to get there.  VAN SUSTEREN: Well, it seems that some Republicans believe that you're not going to stop it in the U.S. Senate and that they think that perhaps you and Senator Cruz and maybe even Senator Rand Paul, if he's going to join with you, are sort of out -- you're the party of three on this.  LEE: You know, just a few weeks ago, people were saying that even within the House of Representatives. They were saying, you know, it's -- there's no point in fighting for a continuing resolution that funds ObamaCare -- funds government but defunds ObamaCare. And we proved them wrong.  The American people spoke out. The House, to its credit, stayed with the American people. The House, to its credit, decided to back up the American people and say, yes, we're going to do everything we can to protect you from this law. And now it's the Senate's turn. It's our job now to move that forward and to stand behind what the House did and not let Harry Reid gut what the House of Representatives passed last week.  VAN SUSTEREN: All right, so how do you do that? How do you prevent Senator Reid from essentially stripping out the defunding part of the House bill and sending it right back to the House, which is strictly the continuing resolution to be voted on? How do you stop him from taking out the defunding part?  LEE: We need to tell him in very clear terms there are a couple ways he can handle this. Number one, he can bring this bill up, the House- passed continuing resolution, and let us vote for it up or down, as is.  Number two, he can bring it up and say, We're going to allow amendments. We'll allow Democrats and Republicans to introduce amendments. We will debate those. We'll discuss them. We'll vote on them. Either one of those is just fine.  What's not fine if he wants to say, Oh, I want my cake and eat it, too. I want to have one amendment and one amendment only, and that one amendment will be to strip out the defunding language, to gut what the House did in support of the American people. We can't let him have that.  VAN SUSTEREN: All right, well, that's behind door number three. And he is the Senate majority leader and he can pick what's behind door number three. In terms of door number two or door number one, which is the two options that you can live with, do you have even your Republican brethren who may not agree with you -- are they willing to push, for instance, to have open amendments to this bill?  LEE: Yes, I don't know any of my Republican colleagues who would oppose either door number one or door number two. I cant' speak for them, but I'm pretty confident that we would all be comfortable with either door number one or door number two.
Will Republicans be hurt the most by debate over defunding ObamaCare and a potential government shutdown? Sen. Mike Lee sounds off.