>> on that story, but our ? next story keeps us in philadelphia, where today, a 10-year-old girl is lying in children's hospital in the fight of her life. she's at the top of the list to receive new lungs. we would never ask sarah to be pushed to the front of the line. i'm devastated with the comments. in our legal counsel . at the same time, i don't think we've heard her answer this very direct question . excuse me for doing this, but i want to make suru? i get it correct because she seems to be answering questions other than what she may be being asked. madam secretary, do you feel or support a fair process for all children base d on medical judgment and need and not an arbitrary age barrier?  >> so, what would be the fair allocation or what would be fair in your estimation to help your daughter and where as she would not jump ahead in the line against other patients who might be more ill than she is?  >> what should be fair is and i want to note one other thing. so, there are a lot of folks talking about lung allocation score and that's used to determine who is in what position as an adult if you're over 12. now, it is required that anyone who's waiting for a lung no matter what your age including all children under 12, are given a lung allocation score . it's required. it's in the rules. sarah has a lung allocation score . it's currently 66, which is extremely high. all we are asking is that children under 12 be allowed to compete based on their lung allocation score and medical severity, not on their age.  >> fran, your online petition has nearly 350,000 sick natures to it. how do you hope to utilize that in the next step of ? your fight?  >> again, we're hoping that, i mean, outside the signature, the issue goes back to madam secretary and her discussion of not being able to do anything, which i find shocking. being her role. what i hope that madam secretary or others above her, the folks she reports to, i'm very curious to know their opinion on my question that i proposed to madam secretary. of course, that being the president and vice president. for an administration that one of their conner stone initiatives is free, equal access to health, that does not discriminate, i would love to hear their opinion, also.  >> fran, we're going to have to leave it there. we wish you and your daughter, your entire family all the best in your fight.
Video on msnbc.com: Despite lawmakers please, HHS Secretary Kathleen Sebelius won't intervene in the case of 10-year-old Sarah Murnaghan, who needs lung transplant. Sebelius said she can't intervene in this case when three other kids at the hospital who are just as sick. Fran Murnaghan, Sarah’s father, discusses.