Horace87 12 Jun 2008 23:52  There are people here (well all of them) who are constantly comparing the EU with the USSR. There are a couple of things these people should remember:1) Poland, Hungary, Czech Republic, Slovakia, Ukraine etc.. were militarily invaded by the Russians. They could NOT decide whether to join or not neither by referendum NOR BY PARLIAMENTARY PROCEDURE. 2) Poland, Hungary etc.. could NOT decide, all of a sudden, to step out of the Soviet Union and become, say, part of the NATO. Those few times they tried to rebel it ended up in blood. The Lisbon Treaty that you so demonize contains an official procedure for a country to withdraw from the EU. So give me a $("!£5 break. 3) The streets of Prague, Budapest and Warsaw were constantly patrolled by red guards who sometimes arrested and jailed people for no reason whatsoever. No to talk about freedom of speech and press. There was no thing such a EUROPEAN CHARTER OR FUNDAMENTAL VALUE that practically reflects everything that is stated in UNITED NATION DECLARATION ON HUMAN RIGHTS. I don't see EU red soldiers patrolling the street of Paris and I don't see people get arrested and sentenced without a trial here... can you find them in London? I guess not. So again: GIVE ME A BREAK4) The Soviet Union had of course a single defence. Let's see. Invasion of Iraq: Britain bombs Iraq along with the US. Italy and Spain send troops. France and Germany do not participate. Italy and Spain withdraw their troops after their government fell. It doesn't really look like a common defence to me. GIVE ME A BREAK5) There are people who are keeping calling the EU UNDEMOCRATIC and UNELECTED. Just so you know, the way a EU commissioner is appointed is the same way a minister of the british, french, german, italian, dutch.. etc.. government is elected. When you hold general elections you decide to which party you want to assign seats in the british parliament. Generally the person who leads the party who wins the majority of votes becomes Prime Minster. Then he appoints his government and the government appoints the EU commissioner. The same thing happens in every EU countries. So if, according to you, the british EU commissioner is unelected, than also your minister of defence, finance, health etc etc. is unelected. So then you should go and protest for a referendum on every single member of the government. Again: GIVE ME A (£($($(£(")(")/$/" BREAK. 6) The parliament is directly elected and shares the legislative power with the Council of Ministers (formed by the ministers of member states competent for the subject that is discussed. So if they need to dicuss a law on Labour policy, then the elected, and therefore, legitimate, ministers of Britain, France, Germany, Ireland, Poland etc.. who are competent in this matter, meet and adopt it). I don't see any lack of democracy and representation. The people who are deciding on laws are, on one hand, the ones directly elected in the EU parliament and, on the other, the ministers that are also indirectly appointed by the people (you vote Labour, Blair becomes prime minister, Brair appoints Darling as finance minister and Darling discusses with other EU finance minister which law to adopt. After the council of minister decide, the law must be ratified by the elected parliament: COULD ANYBODY TELL ME WHERE THE LACK OF REPRESENTACE AND DEMOCRACY IS?). You want britain to appoint by referendum every member of the commission, you want britain to appoint finance ministers of other countries? is this the democracy you are talking about? I'm really curious to understand which one your concept of DEMOCRACY is. 7) The strongest body of the EU is and will remain forever the European Council made up by Prime Ministers (or Chancellors, or Presidents or whoever is the one who leads the government) of member states ELECTED BY the people8) The EU is not a country and it doesn't have any sovereignty. It is not a federal nation. If Portugal's Parliament wanted Portugal to step out of the EU there would be nothing that could prevent it from doing so. If Shwarzenneger (or however the hell you pronouce it) wanted California to step out of the US he would probably arrested, put on a trial and then jailed for having tried to attempt on the United States of America constitution.But of course you will continue with this demagogic talk and use of words such as USSEU or Soviet European Union or militarized dictatorship etc... things that you just invent because you don't want to say the real truth that you are hiding even to yourself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
Are you stupid? That’s really, really stupid? Are you a grown up? Can you read? Do you know how to think? Are you able to judge for yourself? What’s your answer? Yes? Sorry, no. You are stupid, really stupid. You are not able to judge for yourself. So say