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Discussion in 'History Forum' started by Major B, Sep 1, 2003.
Let's really talk about the Civil War in a current context.
Here is a Civil War issue that IS alive and well. After teaching in a predominantly black inner city high school for two years, believe me, this IS an issue that is alive. What do ya'll think?
Slave reparations is another fine example of what feeds racism!
I think that a couple of things have been done to equal the playing field between blacks and whites, such as affirmative action - which I support as stated by the law. However, paying based upon things that happened 150 years ago is kind of silly.
BTW, I don't have a problem with America paying reparations to those who were held in Japanese-American camps during WWII, but only if those people are still alive.
You are taking an act of war and the consquenses of the of it to justify reparations to the Japanese/Americans that were in camps, when this was done as a pre-cautionary measure. Because we didn't know who was and wasn't against the United States of America?
And affirmative action has also greatly fed the racism was in the United States of America!
>>>>>You are taking an act of war and the consquenses of the of it to justify reparations to the Japanese/Americans that were in camps, when this was done as a pre-cautionary measure. Because we didn't know who was and wasn't against the United States of America? <<<<<<
Certainly the internment was not done with malice and was perhaps justified. Nevertheless it had some bad consequences and reparations are justified. These payments have already been made if my memory is correct.
I don't think reparations to living black Americans are justified because they were not the ones wronged. However, a case can be made about some residue of that injustice and I think affirmative action programs are useful in that regard.
The major problem with affirmative action is the fact that by being forced to hire "so-called minorities" over someone else that might be better qualified for the job, is that the employer gets the short end of the stick, and inevitably so does the consumer.
And that is taking freedom and rights to far!
As long as we keep pointing to people and telling them that their color is different, they will continue digging up a past that does not include them. I don't know whether the Japanese were given any kind of reparation, but I don't hear them crying out about it like the blacks. Those that are pushing for reparation are picking at a sore that will not heal until the picking stops.
Affirmative action as written by the law says that organizations must recruit minorities for positions. I don't have a problem with that, do you?
The problem is when someone who is better qualified is passed over for the minority.
What makes the minority a minority?
Legally, that is not affirmative action.
Legally, that is not affirmative action. </font>[/QUOTE]Maybe that's true, but in reality, that is not how it works. At least not in the real world.
Affirmative action as written by the law says that organizations must recruit minorities for positions. I don't have a problem with that, do you? </font>[/QUOTE]Yes. As a matter of fact I do have a problem with this. The Government, IMO, has no business telling a business owner, university, who they should or should not recruit based on their race. I don't want anyone recruiting me to fill a quota because my ancestors were sorely mistreated by Nazis and Palestinians. I don't need reparations. I don't need affirmative action. I am not and will not allow myself to be a victim. I will make my own way.
Oh!But it is in our churches too.
A friend of mine from seminary led a black youth to Christ and invited him to church. The deacons stood at the door and told the youth to leave. My friend was the youth pastor there at the time. This was in 1995.
Even James talks about these things. I take James as the first book in the NT. It was written around 49 AD. Not too long after Jesus left.
I am a 55-year old white male, the MOST PREJUDICED AGAINST group in America's politically correct culture today.
Another bleeding heart liberal attempt to lower the standards and force "equality".
I have been listening to ESPN radio debate over the hiring of a white coach, not even interviewing anyone (of any color) else since that was who the owner wanted.
Wah Wah Wah you should hear the liberals whine. There are 32 teams and only 2 black coaches and should be at least 3 to reflect the same diversity as in the population.
So I emailed in and said that since 75% of America is white, 12% black, 11% latino, and 2% other, then our NFL teams -- not just the coaches -- should likewise reflect this. We need to fire at least 50% of the players, since they are black.
Got a big chuckle from Tony Kornhiser and the bunch.
I am the only person who has voted so far that thinks reparations should be paid - a question for all those who voted no:
do you feel that the Jews should be paid reparations by the Germans for their treatment during WWII?
After all, that was over 50 years ago - almost no current German taxpayer is in anyway responsible for the treatment of Jews in the 1940's....
No. I don't think anyone should be paid reparations from anyone for anything unless it can be done within the court system by the person(s) responsible.
If I am thinking about the same situation, I believe that the argument is that this team didn't even INTERVIEW a minority candidate. That's the problem. If the rules state that a team must interview at least one minority candidate, then the owner and GM are responsible for following that rule.
Interestingly enough, the two strongest Christians who are NFL head coaches are the two black men - Tony Dungy and Herman Edwards.
And if you honestly think that white males are the most prejudiced group in America, merely look at the power - both political and in business. If we were so predjudiced against, don't you think we would see a president, vice president, speaker of the house, senate majority leader, etc. who wasn't a white male?
My Jewish ancestors came from Poland. I understand that some of them were victims of the holocaust. I am not a victim. I do not desire reparations. I do not desire affirmative action. We are just fine as a people without that. If there are still Nazis alive who took part in the Holocaust, punish them and allow justice to take its course. So no, I would have to say that Jewish people do need, desire, or deserve reparations or affirmative action.
so you presumably oppose the reparations that Germany pays to the state of Israel?