# Division by Zero

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Posted by: Dave Richeson | June 20, 2012

## Plato’s approximation of pi?

Today I came across an assertion that Plato used ${\sqrt{2}+\sqrt{3}}$ as an approximation of ${\pi}$. Indeed, it is not a bad approximation: ${3.14626\ldots}$ (although it is not within Archimedes’s bounds: ${223/71<\pi<22/7}$).

Not only had I not seen this approximation before, I had not heard of any value of ${\pi}$ attributed to Plato.

I investigated a little further and discovered that there is no direct evidence that Plato knew of this approximation. It was pure speculation by the famous philosopher of science Karl Popper! Here’s what Popper has to say (this is in his notes to Chapter 6 of The Open Society and its Enemies, Vol. 1, pp. 252–253).

It is a curious fact that ${\sqrt{2}+\sqrt{3}}$ very nearly approximates ${\pi}$… The excess is less than ${0.0047}$, i.e. less than ${1 \frac{1}{2}}$ pro mille of ${\pi}$, and we have reason to believe that no better upper boundary for ${\pi}$ had been proved to exist. A kind of explanation of this curious fact is that it follows from the fact that the arithmetical mean of the areas of the circumscribed hexagon and the inscribed octagon is a good approximation of the area of the circle. Now it appears, on the one hand, that Bryson operated with the means of circumscribed and inscribed polygons,… and we know, on the other hand (from the Greater Hippias), that Plato was interested in the adding of irrationals, so that he must have added ${\sqrt{2}+\sqrt{3}}$. There are thus two ways by which Plato may have found out the approximate equation ${\sqrt{2}+\sqrt{3}\approx \pi}$, and the second of these ways seems almost inescapable. It seems a plausible hypothesis that Plato knew of this equation, but was unable to prove whether or not it was a strict equality or only an approximation.

Popper then spends a couple of paragraphs tying this into an earlier discussion of Plato’s Timaeus. This is the work in which Plato discusses the four elements (earth, air, fire, and water) and associates them with four of the regular polyhedra (cube, octahedron, tetrahedron, and icosahedron, respectively). The connection between Timaeus and ${\pi}$ is the relation between the values ${\sqrt{2}}$ and ${\sqrt{3}}$, the 45-45-90 and 30-60-90 triangles which can be used to make the faces of the polyhedra, and the approximations to the area of a circle using these triangles.

Popper ends with the reminder/disclaimer:

I must again emphasize that no direct evidence is known to me to show that this was in Plato’s mind; but if we consider the indirect evidence here marshalled, then the hypothesis does perhaps not seem too far-fetched.

Note: if we take the unit circle and construct a circumscribed hexagon and an inscribed octagon, then the area of the hexagon is ${2\sqrt{3}}$ and the area of the octagon is ${2\sqrt{2}}$. So, it is true that the average of these areas is ${\sqrt{2}+\sqrt{3}}$.

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## Responses

1. Borzacchini, Luigi. Incommensurability, music and continuum: a cognitive approach. (English). Arch. Hist. Exact Sci. 61, No. 3, 273-302 (2007).

Borzacchini argues that music ratios provides the “secret of the sect” for the irrational continuum. Plato’s Timeaus is based on Pythagorean philosophy but using irrational numbers as music tuning. This is tied to Archytas and Eudoxus.

Karl Popper stated that Kepler’s Pythagorean philosophy was the precursor of Schrodinger and Poppler then stated that harmonic resonance governs science and reality.

I wonder if this is tied to Egypt using 9/8 for solving the area of a circle with 9/8 also as the major 2nd music interval from Egypt’s sacred unit fraction of 2/3. The 2/3 has to be the subharmonic or inversion of 3/2, the Perfect Fifth music interval, which was squared to 9/4 and then halved to 9/8. So then 9/8 cubed was the solution for the square root of two as the tritone music interval. This is also discussed by musicologist Ernest McClain’s book the Pythagorean Plato.

By: drew hempel on July 30, 2012
at 8:37 pm

• Thanks for sharing this article. I look forward to reading it. (I don’t know too much about music theory, but I’m interested in learning more.)

By: Dave Richeson on July 31, 2012
at 1:52 pm

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By: Mathematics and Multimedia Blog Carnival 23 on August 18, 2012
at 11:21 am

3. 355/113=3.141592………. is a best approximation of pi using integers less than 1000.

By: vijayan on September 14, 2012
at 10:55 pm
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