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## Simple question about simple functions

I feel like this should be really easy, but for some reason I don't see how to finish it. I'm probably missing something obvious.

The integral of an integrable simple function ##f=\sum_{k=1}^n a_k\chi_{E_k}## is
$$\int f\,\mathrm{d}\mu=\sum_{k=1}^n a_k\mu(E_k),$$
where the right-hand side is interpreted using the convention ##0\cdot\infty=0##. If we want to use something like this as the definition of the integral, we need to make sure that there's no ambiguity in it. (The problem is that there are many ways to write a given integrable simple function as a linear combination of characteristic functions of measurable sets). One way to do that is to specify the a_k and E_k. We define the a_k by writing the range of f as ##f(X)=\{a_1,\dots,a_n\}## and the E_k by ##E_k=f^{-1}(a_k)##. Now there's no ambiguity in the formula above, so it's safe to use it as a definition.

This raises the question of whether ##f=\sum_{k=1}^n a_k\chi_{E_k}=\sum_{i=1}^m b_i\chi_{F_i}## implies that

\sum_{k=1}^n a_k\mu(E_k)=\sum_{i=1}^m b_i\mu(F_i).
 If the E_k are defined as above, it's easy to see that ##\{E_k\}_{k=1}^n## is a partition of X (the underlying set of the measure space). If the ##\{F_i\}_{i=1}^m## is another partition of X, then I find it easy to prove the equality above. However, it holds even when ##\{F_i\}_{i=1}^m## is not a partition of X, right? I first thought that it doesn't, but I failed to find a counterexample, so now I think it does. My problem is that I don't see how to do the proof in the general case.

If ##\{E_k\}_{k=1}^n## and ##\{F_i\}_{i=1}^m## are both partitions of X, then we just write

\begin{align}
& \sum_{k=1}^n a_k\mu(E_k) =\sum_{k=1}^n a_k\mu\bigg(\bigcup_{i=1}^m E_k\cap F_i\bigg) =\sum_{k=1}^n \sum_{i=1}^m a_k \mu\big(E_k\cap F_i\big),\\
& \sum_{i=1}^m b_i\mu(F_i) =\sum_{i=1}^m b_i\mu\bigg(\bigcup_{k=1}^n E_k\cap F_i\bigg)
=\sum_{k=1}^n \sum_{i=1}^m b_i \mu\big(E_k\cap F_i\big),
\end{align}
 and then we can easily prove that the left-hand sides are equal by showing that the right-hand sides are equal term for term. Let k,i be arbitrary. If ##E_k\cap F_i=\emptyset##, then ##a_k\mu(E_k\cap F_i)=0=b_i\mu(E_k\cap F_i)##. If ##E_k\cap F_i\neq\emptyset##, then let ##x\in E_k\cap F_i## be arbitrary. We have ##a_k=f(x)=b_i##, and this obviously implies ##a_k\mu(E_k\cap F_i)=b_i\mu(E_k\cap F_i)##.

So...anyone see how to prove or disprove the general case?

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Blog Entries: 8 				 				 				 				         Recognitions:      Gold Member        Science  Advisor     Staff Emeritus  You can always force the $F_i$ to be a partition:  If $F_i\cap F_j\neq \emptyset$, then you can write  $$b_i\chi_{F_i}+b_j\chi_{F_j}=b_i\chi_{F_i\setminus F_j}+b_j\chi_{F_j\setminus F_i}+(b_i+b_j)\chi_{F_i\cap F_j}$$  And if $F=\bigcup F_j$, then you just need to add a term $0\chi_{X\setminus F}$.

Quote by Fredrik 					 				 				So...anyone see how to prove or disprove the general case?
One way of proving this is to split the $\{F_i\}_{i = 1}^m$ into disjoint subsets. This gives you some refinement $\{F_i'\}_{i = 1}^{k}$ of the $\{F_i\}_{i=1}^m$. Now write out your simple function in terms of the original $a_1,\dots,a_m$ and the $\{F_i'\}_{i=1}^{k}$. It is fairly simple to check that these have the same integral and that completes the proof.

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## Simple question about simple functions

Thanks guys. Forgive me for being perhaps slower than usual today, but I still don't see how to turn these ideas into a calculation that looks like this:
$$\sum_{i=1}^m b_i\mu(F_i)=\cdots=\sum_{k=1}^n a_k\mu(E_k).$$
I don't even see an easy way to define the refinement in jgens's post. I've been thinking things like this:

Define I={1,...,m}. For each x in X, define ##I_x=\{i\in I|x\in F_i\}## and ##G_x=\bigcap_{i\in I_x}F_i##. Now ##\{G_x|x\in X\}\cup \{F^c\}## (where F was defined in micromass' post) should be finite, and be a partition. But I still need to prove that (probably not too hard), and then find a way to use it in the calculation.

Mentor  I think I figured this out. I thought this was really hard actually. Makes me wonder if I'm making it more complicated than it needs to be. These are the essentials of my proof:  Define I={1,...,m}, and ##F=\bigcup_{i\in I} F_i##. For each x in F, define ##I_x=\{i\in I|x\in F_i\}## and ##G_x=\bigcap_{i\in I_x}F_i##. For all x in F, ##x\in G_x##, so ##\{G_x|x\in F\}## covers F. ##z\in G_x## implies ##G_z\subset G_x##. A corollary of this is that for all x,y in F, either ##G_x\cap G_y=\emptyset## or ##G_x=G_y##. So the collection ##\{G_x|x\in F\}## is mutually disjoint, and it's also finite, because $$\big|\{G_x\}\big|\leq\big|\{I_x\}\big| \leq\big|\mathcal P(I)\big|=2^m.$$ Since it's finite, there's a bijection ##H:\{1,\dots,p\}\to\{G_x|x\in F\}##. I'll write ##H_j## instead of H(j). Define ##H_0=F^c##. Now ##\{H_j\}_{j=0}^p## is a partition of X, and we have $$\begin{align} \sum_{k=1}^n a_k\mu(E_k) &=\sum_{j=0}^p\sum_{k=1}^n a_k \mu(E_k\cap H_j)\\ \sum_{i=1}^m b_i\mu(F_i) &=\sum_{j=0}^p\sum_{i=1}^m b_i \mu(F_i\cap H_j). \end{align}$$ To prove that the left-hand sides are equal, we prove that the sums over j on the right-hand sides are equal term for term. Let j be arbitrary. Let x be a member of F such that ##H_j=G_x##. Let ##k_0## be the positive integer such that ##G_j\subset E_{k_0}##. Note that ##H_j\subset F_i## when ##i\in I_x## and ##F_i\cap H_j=\emptyset## when ##i\notin I_x##. These things imply that $$\sum_{k=1}^n a_k\mu(E_k\cap H_j) =a_{k_0}\mu(H_j)=\sum_{i\in I_x} b_i\mu(H_j)= \sum_{i=1}^m b_i\mu(F_i\cap H_j).$$ Hm, now that I'm looking at this, I'm thinking that there probably isn't an easier way.

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