In this way, the rejection of madness, the abrupt exclamation 'mais quoi, ce sont des fous' are themselves rejected by Derrida and three times confined outside the philosophical discourse: because it is another subject who is speaking (no longer the philosopher of the Meditations, but this gruff voiced objector); because it speaks from a place which is that of non philosophical naivety; and because the philosopher then begins to speak again, and by quoting the 'stronger' and 'more convincing' example of the dream, disarms the objection and imposes something much worse than madness on the person who refuses it.