But about the most important and most beautiful things of which Homer undertakes to speak warfare, generalship, city government, and people's education about these it is fair to question him, asking him this: 'Homer, if you're not third from the truth about virtue, the sort of craftsman of images that we defined an imitator to be, but if you're even second and capable of knowing what ways of life make people better in private or in public, then tell us which cities are better governed because of you, as Socrates/Glaucon Sparta is because of Lycurgus, and as many others big and small are because of many other men?