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 2015-03-12, 02:23 #1 jwaltos     Apr 2012 Gracie on lookout. 6428 Posts Member Ranking. As a possible consideration, certain members are expert in their respective fields. When they weigh in with a response or a post would it be possible to associate a level and type of expertise they bring to bear on a question? This could be in the form of a gif or similar visual. For example, looking at the recent "overclocking" thread, if someone had a solid rating in terms of good advice then this should be immediately visible to those not conversant with the inner workings of this forum. Last fiddled with by jwaltos on 2015-03-12 at 02:25
2015-03-12, 09:17   #2
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 Originally Posted by jwaltos As a possible consideration, certain members are expert in their respective fields. When they weigh in with a response or a post would it be possible to associate a level and type of expertise they bring to bear on a question? This could be in the form of a gif or similar visual. For example, looking at the recent "overclocking" thread, if someone had a solid rating in terms of good advice then this should be immediately visible to those not conversant with the inner workings of this forum.
Who makes the judgement about who are the experts? How many different fields and categories should we have? Perhaps each member is an expert in their particular field and therefore everyone qualifies? What if an expert responds to something that is not their field? What if someone is an expert in more than one thing? What if there are two or more experts responding to the same thing and they disagree with each other? What if the expert is drunk, or playing a joke, or misreads the question and then answers wrongly?

2015-03-12, 09:30   #3
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 Originally Posted by retina Who makes the judgement about who are the experts? How many different fields and categories should we have? Perhaps each member is an expert in their particular field and therefore everyone qualifies? What if an expert responds to something that is not their field? What if someone is an expert in more than one thing? What if there are two or more experts responding to the same thing and they disagree with each other? What if the expert is drunk, or playing a joke, or misreads the question and then answers wrongly?
All good reasons why I am not in favour of the proposal.

Another reason, and another good one IMAO, is that everyone should learn how to evaluate evidence so that they can make a reasoned judgement as to how much to trust a particular person or statement. Then apply "trust but verify" in the words of the late POTUS.

 2015-03-12, 13:01 #4 retina Undefined     "The unspeakable one" Jun 2006 My evil lair 11000101101002 Posts Just for the record, if this ever comes to fruition then I will register myself as the local idiot expert of sharks with frickin' laser beams attached to their heads. I got dibs, all you others are now too late.
 2015-03-12, 14:28 #5 jwaltos     Apr 2012 Gracie on lookout. 2×11×19 Posts What I am asking to be considered is a mechanism to develop a relative ranking according to what has been posted akin to a peer review or ELO rating. If what has been posted has been useful then members of the forum could submit a feedback rating as in useful, useless or not even wrong. Obviously, subjective assessments are just that, subjective. To sabotage or subvert a positive intent is just not right and should never be condoned. My rationale is simple efficiency. Depending upon context, my expectation would be that the opinion of a well-regarded poster would be at least equivalent to that of an unknown poster. I would review both but my initial bias would be for established quality and consistency. When delving through years of archived posts for specific information, any shortcuts to speed the process always helps. Regarding reasoned judgement, I believe every word Bonzo said. Secondly, swimming with the sharks (as in playing a high stakes poker game) where if you don't know your own weaknesses then you can bet your bottom that everyone else will. To develop that kind of self-awareness as well as the ability to evaluate others accordingly requires a special skill set which not everyone has. Thank you for taking the time to consider the merits of this proposal. Last fiddled with by jwaltos on 2015-03-12 at 14:43 Reason: Addenda
 2015-03-13, 07:37 #6 TheMawn     May 2013 East. Always East. 172710 Posts I have never been impressed with the ranking systems that I've seen on other forums. These things tend to all be based on just a raw number of posts which favours quantity over quality. Some sites plug into Facebook for comment functions (like the Escapist; just try to spend as little time there as possible, watch the videos and then leave) and almost everybody there is a "Top Commentor" because the threshold for being a "Top Commentor" was very poorly designed for the long term. (EDIT: Not to mention I can't think of a reason why anyone would give a single sh*t whether or not someone is a "Top Commentor" like the number of times they have posted their opinion is worth anything) The quick fix I've seen is to continually add tiers so that nobody maxes out the rank but that just leaves you with Platinum 5 Ultra Diamond Mega Experts and other increasingly awesome rank names which start to be completely meaningless. Would you take advice from a guy with Rank 3 out of 15? Well, you should, because Rank 3 was, once upon a time, the highest you could be, but they kept adding more because there were too many Rank 3's. The fix to that is to add a decaying rank so that if you stop giving useful advice for a while you're reduced to just a Gold 4 Super Expert but this is already becoming unnecessarily complicated. Worse still is that someone who is knowledgeable but has just entered the scene holds no sway because he is just a puny Bronze User. Then there's the question of implementation. Giving ratings to comments is silly because everything will get cluttered with +1 and -1 symbols making us look more and more like YouTube comments (which would be a bad thing). So, if this wasn't obvious, my vote on this is No. It just adds a competitive aspect to something that requires no competitive element. The Mersenne Forum is not a large enough community that you have 12-year-olds running around spamming nonsense to try to level up their internet penises, so there isn't much cause for concern in terms of the quality of responses. In the overclocking thread you referenced, it took no time at all for two contrasting opinions to be made by multiple members, each with valuable and constructive supporting arguments. Instead of relying on someone's internet points to blindly take advice, it is worthwhile to take the time to understand the matter and ask additional questions as needed. Last fiddled with by TheMawn on 2015-03-13 at 07:38
2015-03-13, 13:34   #7
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 Originally Posted by TheMawn Instead of relying on someone's internet points to blindly take advice, it is worthwhile to take the time to understand the matter and ask additional questions as needed.
My view exactly.

The one place I've seen where user rankings appear to work moderately well is PerlMonks. Those who wish to study the topic in greater depth could do worse than hanging out there for a while.

Disclaimer: my active participation on PerlMonks ceased quite a long time ago. Things may have changed significantly since then.

 2015-03-13, 15:34 #8 jwaltos     Apr 2012 Gracie on lookout. 2·11·19 Posts Thanks for the reviews. This was a bad idea. I used a BBS or two a long time ago and things have evolved since for many reasons. As a precursor to that I had also used morse code in several languages and could pick out exactly who and where you were or determine if you were an imposter and tag you accordingly. These days a baby with a PlaySkool laptop is like a can opener looking for shiny colourful cans to open - and some are very adept. I did not expect an American Idol/Facebook/Vanity press scenario with narcissists basking in reflective glory. Rather, something different, incisive, evolutionary that would serve to future-proof the utility of the site. The "Soap Box" gives an indicator of some of the "Alice in Wonderland" technological society we live in predicated on mathematical sophistication (pun noted?). Markers can be both a deterrent and an aid. Again, asked and answered. Punto. -spanish sense ;)
 2015-03-13, 17:01 #9 jwaltos     Apr 2012 Gracie on lookout. 2·11·19 Posts . Last fiddled with by jwaltos on 2015-03-13 at 17:05

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# The Orbital Index

Issue No. 115 | May 5, 2021

🚀 🌍 🛰
 ¶The passing of Michael Collins. Michael Collins, Command and Service Module (CSM) pilot for Apollo 11, has passed away at age 90. Michael remained in orbit as Neil Armstrong and Buzz Aldrin landed on the Moon. He is often cited (along with subsequent CSM pilots) as the loneliest man in history: as he orbited the lunar surface, he ventured as far as 3,585 km away from the next closest humans, on the other side of the Moon (although xkcd suggests that some Polynesian or Antarctic explorers may have matched this). Previously, as part of Gemini 10, Collins was the fourth human to conduct a spacewalk. After Apollo 11 and leaving NASA, Collins became director and oversaw the construction and opening of the Smithsonian National Air and Space Museum. He later took up painting, wrote Carrying the Fire, which is often considered to be the best astronaut autobiography, and always dreamed of Mars, which he spoke about in an interview with Smithsonian Magazine in 2019. NASA has a remembrance.
 Michael Collins took this photo as Neil Armstrong and Buzz Aldrin, ascending from the Moon, rejoined him in lunar orbit. The photo was re-processed by Toby Ord for his Earth Restored collection. Toby’s caption: Collins, who remained in orbit on the Command Module, is behind the lens. Every other human is in front of it.
 ¶Orbital Refueling. Late last week, NASA signed a final $25M contract for a first LEO fuel depot that will refuel the upper stages of smallsat launch vehicles. This depot demonstration mission, LOXSAT 1, is scheduled for launch in 2023 and will be followed by mission planning for a full-scale LOXSAT2 in 2025. The contract is the second related to cryogenic fuel management for Florida-based Eta Space—the company is also assisting with a$27M 2019 Tipping Point award for development of a fuel depot capable of operation on the lunar surface. Traditionally, on-orbit fuel depots have suffered from a difficult business case where third-party vehicles don’t invest in standardized support for on-orbit refueling due to the lack of existing depots in orbit—the last thing anyone wants is to develop and launch useless hardware. Northrop Grumman’s MEV-1 & 2 have sidestepped this issue by taking over all propulsion duties for large customer satellites, but the approach of having to dedicate a shepherd vehicle for each customer won’t scale for the smallsat market. This application of NASA funding, to overcome a chicken/egg problem, is some of the highest leverage dollars the agency can deploy. LOXSAT1 will include scaled-down versions of all systems required for operation and will launch on a Rocket Lab Electron (it will also be built on their Photon satellite bus). This contract announcement follows OrbitFab’s announcement in February that their Tanker-001 Tenzing satellite refueling platform will launch later this year on a Spaceflight-organized SpaceX rideshare. OrbitFab is solving the market entry problem by developing partnerships prior to launch. They’ve partnered with Benchmark Space Systems to resupply the company’s hydrogen peroxide thrusters using OrbitFab’s in-house developed RAFTI refueling interface—the refuelable thrusters are planned for use on Spaceflight’s forthcoming Sherpa space tug. SpaceX is also developing orbital refueling for Starship with NASA’s help on a massive scale—HLS Starship missions will require multiple refueling launches of Starship tankers (Casey Handmer estimates that refueling with 12 Starship tankers would allow an HLS Starship to transport 25 tons from LEO to the lunar surface and back). LOXSAT will supply LOX and RP-1, making its technology a fit for Rocket Lab, Astra, Virgin Orbit, and Firefly (but not ULA’s high-efficiency LH2 upper stages).
 ¶Papers.Long-lived Kauri trees, preserved in sediments for over 40,000 years in New Zealand, reveal a spike in atmospheric radiocarbon levels between 41,000 and 42,000 years ago, coincident with a reversal of the Earth’s magnetic poles (paper). During this reversal, the Earth’s magnetic field was significantly reduced and possibly almost nonexistent. During this same approximate period, megafauna and the Neanderthals went extinct, there was significant climate change, and the first cave art appeared around the world. The paper suggests (although we remain a bit skeptical) that increased UV radiation may have been a partial cause of these events. (As it was ~42,000 years ago, the event has been named the Adams Event after Douglas Adams.)Now in the Kuiper Belt, New Horizons is far from the Sun’s light and is still busy producing science. Its new observations of the cosmic optical background set an upper limit on the amount of starlight emitted by faint, unresolved galaxies (paper), and find about twice as much as can be accounted for by all known galaxies. This suggests that the number of galaxies in the observable Universe is roughly twice the number that Hubble can currently see.There are some hints of Venusian phosphine in old data (paper) from NASA’s 1978 Pioneer Venus Multiprobe mission. The scientific community is very much in the midst of the scientific process on Venusian phosphine at the moment, with multiple papers claiming phosphine detection and many others strongly questioning those claims. We’ll probably just have to go look.But, negative results are useful too: six years of data from ESA’s Swarm satellite constellation shows no evidence of magnetic monopoles trapped in the Earth’s magnetic field (paper).One of the key predictions of Inflation is that quantum fluctuations in the early universe were expanded to astronomical proportions during the inflationary period which ended a split 10-32 seconds after the Big Bang. These fluctuations resulted in slight under- and over-densities of both dark and ordinary matter that clumped together into enormously long filaments and eventually coalesced to form the galaxies, galaxy clusters, and superclusters of our Universe. For the first time (paper), we’ve now imaged glowing hydrogen in these filaments 11.5-13 billion light-years away (e.g. having formed less than a billion years after the Big Bang). Here are some visualizations of this “cosmic web”.
 A filament of glowing hydrogen imaged by the MUSE instrument on ESO’s Very Large Telescope in Chile and overlaid on the iconic Hubble Ultra-Deep Field. It is 11.5 billion light-years away and 15 million light-years long.
 ¶News in brief. On this day 60 years ago, overshadowed by Yuri Gagarin’s orbital flight 23 days earlier, a suborbital Mercury Redstone took Alan Shepard past the Kármán line to become the first American in space; fittingly, Blue Origin is scheduled to announce pricing for suborbital tourist flights today—they have signup info on their website; after six months in space, the four Crew-1 astronauts safely returned from the ISS in their Crew Dragon, the first nighttime splashdown of a US crewed vehicle since Apollo 8; SN15 is poised to launch any day now after multiple static fires and several scrubbed launch attempts; Vega successfully returned to flight, delivering an Airbus 30-cm imaging satellite and several smallsats to orbit—Vega’s launch failure last year, due to an improperly connected cable, destroyed two Earth observation satellites; the SLS core stage for Artemis I, now past its Green Run tests, arrived via barge at Kennedy Space Center—all components for Artemis I have now arrived and are ready for stacking; OneWeb, which just received an investment from Eutelsat, launched 36 more satellites to orbit via Soyuz, bringing their total to 182 satellites; a Long March 5B heavy-lift rocket launched Tianhe, the core module of the new Chinese space station (discussed last week), this is the first of the 11 missions to complete the station—the core stage will again be one of the largest uncontrolled reentries in recent history around May 9th; and, last week, we failed to link to a (distant, grainy) image of Perseverance taken by Ingenuity from the air during its third flight—Ingenuity flew again last week, for a fourth time, up to 5 meters altitude and 133 meters downrange and back (pictured below)—it has now begun an extended operations demonstration mission in which it will support Perseverance’s science objectives.
 ¶Etc. Who’s on and what’s docked with the ISS right now?Even as the controversy over NASA’s selection of SpaceX for HLS boils, NASA released a Request For Information in advance of their upcoming Lunar Exploration Transportation Services (LETS) acquisition, “which will establish a routine cadence of human transportation services to and from the Moon”.SpaceX completed its 9th and 10th Starlink missions of 2021 with a life-leading 9th launch and landing for yesterday’s Falcon 9 booster—this booster has carried a quarter of all Starlink satellites to orbit. There are now nearly 1,500 satellites in the constellation. Meanwhile, the FCC just approved lowering the orbit of 2,814 upcoming Starlink sats from 1,300 km to the currently used 550 km range, which is good for latency, debris management, and astronomy. (Viasat was unhappy, like its customers.) After fireballs streaked across the sky, space-junk sleuths got busy — and hit the jackpot in Washington. China’s state rocket company unveiled a rendering of a Starship look-alike. Tracking "Dark Ships" with satellite technology.While Michael Collins may have gotten the furthest from a fellow human, the furthest anyone has ever been from the planet itself is 400,171 km, achieved unwillingly by the crew of Apollo 13 as they swung around the far side of the Moon. Dear Moon is planned to break this record. 🌝
 In celebration of the Hubble Space Telescope’s 31st birthday on April 24th, NASA released this stunning image of AG Carinae, a short-lived, massive luminous blue variable star with a surrounding dust cloud five light-years across. It is located 20,000 light-years away and is one of the brightest stars in our galaxy—it is “70 times more massive than our Sun and shines with the blinding brilliance of one million suns”.

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