user interface: Why won't it wake up ? Is it on ? marketing: The power light doesn't work . Okay , so I just show you the m the no   the the the the the the minutes , minute . project manager: Okay , so we just talked about  Oh you want me to show that there or user interface: No , industrial designer:  no . And the functions are volume , channel to choose channels , an on-off , a mute  button , and a text T_V_ button . project manager: So I just want to give you  Mike again , the first  presentation of your marketing: Shall I start ? project manager: Yeah . I searched the web ,  and  I searched  on this d document , recent investigation of the remote control market .  but  they found out the most important aspect for remote controls happens to be a fancy look-and-feel , instead of the current functional look and feel . And then  that  This is a point of discussion , because we just decided that we don't make use of  L_C_D_ or  speech recognition . marketing: But  this is the second  important  aspect , and I think  we must use some of the new technology , to be  innovative . And it says  fashion-watchers of   Pari  France and  Italy , yeah ,  have detected the following trends . marketing: But the  the next  aspect also in contrast to last year , the feel of material is expe   is expected to be spongy . marketing: But spongy , what what does spongy says ? industrial designer: Spongy . project manager: because you've you're you drop y your remote control very often on the ground . project manager: Is it a bit like like the the the the remote control ? user interface: How are you gonna make it ? project manager: R_ soft . industrial designer: Yeah , marketing:  industrial designer: I've some  material  information , but I'll give you it later in my presentation . marketing: Okay ? project manager: marketing: What do I think ?  because a fancy look is the most important thing  for remote control  control , I think about changeable fronts . Yeah , how do we do that ? Maybe speech ? We ma must have some kind of gadget . marketing: Intro project manager: Because it's only twelve and a half Euros you have to spend on every remote control . user interface: So  industrial designer: Yeah , well actually we have don't have an idea how much it's gonna cost . But maybe it's cheap user interface: Yeah , industrial designer: and it's easy to implement . I d They don't say how much it will cost , so  but  marketing: user interface: if we implement  speech recognition , I think it would be better to implement L_C_D_ as well . So you can say , you can user interface: Since you have to  configure speech thing . project manager: But that's definitely more expensive than user interface: Yeah , that's that's something I dunno . But a telephone also have a L_C_D_ and and it's about t two hundred Euros . user interface: Yeah , so  we gotta de project manager: So  user interface: We have to decide on that . That was this ? user interface:   industrial designer: Oh I got an email  And it says  the chip can be  simple , regular or advanced . So user interface: L_D_C_ doesn't require industrial designer: it's m the most expensive . industrial designer: I I haven't got anything about speech recognition , but user interface: I'll I'll give you my design . 'Cause remote con control , you can see it here , you have to bo reach both out both sides . project manager: Yeah , maybe the teletext tel user interface: Yeah , text button , maybe there and there . user interface: but it's marketing: No , I don't  I don't like it . And you can't use them now with your thumb , because the thing is not , it's not easy to control . industrial designer: Yeah okay , m maybe we cho should put that on top , and buttons we we don't use on , in the bottom . user interface: They're on top ? project manager: Yeah , just th th th other buttons like text T_V_ . industrial designer: But I I think w you'll use  the switch channels buttons  more often than the normal  channel buttons , like one two three . I dunno , but yeah we'll industrial designer: Like zapping is just switching one channel at a time . user interface: And  if you don't light 'em up , they don't  you don't see 'em very good . industrial designer: That's that's good , but user interface: I think it's modern to light this area up , and to light this area up . It's s We have to look  what's easy to use , and how it's easier to use . user interface: I dunno if it l will look good , if you put those on t on the bottom half . Yeah , maybe industrial designer: But  we we can switch those two , user interface: Those two , yeah . user interface: And  , yeah , you have to make sure it's easy to  Yes , it has to be big enough so you can hold it , right . And  well  if we want to put in speech rec recognition or something , we I don't think we should put it on top then . I think that , if we're gonna put in more technology , that you need to be able to  switch it open . project manager: We have to decide this this lecture , or this this this  fifty minutes , yeah , how it is gonna look . If you aim at a young public , you should use materials that are soft with primary colours like green , blue , red . I don't know exactly what that means , but it should be , well yeah , popular kind of project manager: Yeah , we have to put our Real Reaction logo as well on the on the remote control . user interface:  Yeah , it's project manager: So we have ha to ma make it in black , black , yellow . industrial designer: Yeah ,  n Not that weird , because we definitely want to make it kind of flashy , to attract a young public . user interface: Yeah , but  I don't think the the colours black and yellow go well together . But project manager: We make i Maybe you can put yellow on the side and black on the on the front . That's a that's a sen That's just a matter of tastes , but user interface: Yeah , okay . user interface:  can't we use  different  fron  fronts , with all with the the logo on it ? Can we do that ? So project manager: Yeah , it's cool . industrial designer: S user interface: You can Just like a mobile phone , you can make  different fronts on it . user interface: A more Yeah , just  marketing:   project manager: That's better prob industrial designer: With the hard hard buttons . The the the new  new modern  remote controls ,  the buttons are part of the  the style , I think is part of the remote control itself .  it's n doesn't Is  a button   How do you say it ? industrial designer: Yeah , it's it's all on one level . marketing: It it didn't it i it don't come out of the on the background . project manager: basic remote control from normal plastic , marketing: project manager: and industrial designer: Yeah . industrial designer: But I think we have to make the case transparent , otherwise the back light won't work . industrial designer: So if you put project manager: Y i if you The numbers could be can be user interface:  you can just make them around the buttons  project manager: Yeah , that's right . user interface: Or it runs the whole industrial designer: Yeah , but we can still make it transparent . user interface: Yeah , you can halfs transparent , industrial designer: Or no user interface: or just that it's comes out a bit . user interface:  depends on the colour of the project manager: Yeah , but you can't choo You can't choose it when you buy it . Is marketing: but can you change it if you already bought the the remote control ? user interface: Yeah , it can . project manager: industrial designer: I don't know what it is , but it should be there I think . marketing: project manager: user interface: industrial designer:  this is the normal circuit board , like a chip board in in a lot of  things . project manager: Yeah , we have to hurry up a bit , so industrial designer: W So we d we just need this and this transistors and resonators . user interface: industrial designer:  they they basically said that that's almost the same on any  remote controls . project manager: We still want to have a recharger , don't we ? industrial designer: Yeah but project manager: Is that still the user interface: Yes . industrial designer: Yeah , but it i We don't wanna have a ar an How do you call it ? Accu . user interface: project manager: It's just batteries , industrial designer: so marketing: project manager: that's cheaper . So we need  the expensive , most expensive chip , if we use an L_C_D_ . industrial designer:  are are we using a a rubber case , or project manager: Oh just sk industrial designer: We haven't decided yet . It's user interface:  I don't think a rubber case looks industrial designer: L marketing:  but we have to do something about the trend . Or should we do it in the next meeting ? user interface:  I_D_ and U_I_D_ work together on prototype drawing on smart board . industrial designer: So we should did it here ? project manager: That's for th user interface: So we're staying here ? project manager:  that I think that's the next next meeting . user interface: Okay , so now we're ka thirty minutes alone again ? industrial designer: Yeah . user interface: Just a bit cur Okay , I'll see if I can see any of those . You see what  ? industrial designer: What ? project manager: If I draw here It draws about four centimetres lower than industrial designer: Oh . industrial designer: I think  you'll get a a lot of  volume changing when it's not wanted . project manager: And industrial designer: Yeah , but maybe we can make a a plastic , so that you i if you like drop it , it won't change the volume . user interface: Yeah , maybe you just have to make it  That's not scrollable too easy . And  what's the channel choose ? Where do we  put that ? Still on the bottom industrial designer: I think in middle . project manager: or user interface:  wh what is the middle part ? project manager: That's the numbers . industrial designer:  I think th the numbers should be in the bottom , and and the switch channel in the middle . project manager: It doesn't make a difference , if you put the s  the switch channels on side of each other or on top of each other . user interface: Use the dz project manager: Because you already have the volume here , so You can also put it here one butt and the other one there . project manager: So you can also can put it all on the top , and this , you keep this empty . industrial designer: Or you could do the switch channel up button above the the numbers and switch channel down button below . project manager: But that's not want to zap very quick , so user interface: Yeah , I think  zapping is the highest priority . project manager: Yeah ? Is this a opportunity , user interface: And then you use those  project manager: or you don't want a different user interface: Yeah , of course  . industrial designer:  but I think we we should bu  put 'em on top of each other , so project manager: Why ? industrial designer: Because then it's it's easy to know m if I push the the the up project manager: But still the next It's still the next one . Doesn't make industrial designer: Yeah , but the top the top button is is like you switch channel up , and down button is If you put them project manager: Yeah , but fo from left to right is exactly the same . industrial designer: But  but I I think  left to right is more often associated with volume , and top down is more with  channel changing . user interface: Yeah , I think industrial designer: So so if we use that , they will probably have a long learning  time . I You already have the volume on the side , user interface: No ,  I think project manager: so you can't make it you can't ma make a mistake . project manager: So it's  user interface: I think it's s so simple industrial designer: I dunno . user interface: you just project manager: So but that's for that's for you , industrial designer: Okay . project manager: 'cause it's user interface: Yeah , okay I'll d I'll take a look at it . user interface: Think we need to work  thirty minutes again ? marketing: Yeah , we have to care that it r  looks really new . marketing: 'Cause wha what I see the only difference i i i in fact is that we use a scroll-wheel on the outside . user interface: No , you have  It is industrial designer: Yeah , but i i it should be round in in shape . marketing: Some some kind of bling bling   can we have industrial designer: user interface: Where you can put a ve  we have If we do it like that we have below have we  a lot of room to put a nice logo . marketing:  and how many  fronts  fronts do we put on the market then ?  five or something ? project manager: Yeah , five . user interface: marketing: Or more or user interface: Maybe you can buy separate ones and  marketing: And    buy the product . industrial designer: No , tha that will be project manager: So y you can put the bottom of the remote control in recharger ? Is that is that a good good opportunity ? user interface: Yes . marketing: Yeah , we can b It c it could be just just a square , just a packet . industrial designer: But we have to make contacts on the on the remote control and the recharger as well . user interface: I think i marketing: user interface: Yeah okay , tho those are al already a bit cornered . industrial designer: Yeah , but we can we can do all kinds of  As long as it isn is in two D_ we can use all kind of round shapes . project manager: industrial designer: project manager: It's a bit annoying , isn't it ? marketing: Yeah . I know we can do a lot more , but marketing: Yeah , it project manager: industrial designer: Like in this kind of shape or marketing:  it's very annoying . project manager: So we have to make a decision , what kind of form it's gonna have t going to have . project manager: But why do we have to round it on the t bottom then ? Of Skip that one as well . user interface: and marketing: It's not not a lot of trends I  I found  project manager: Okay , so we have s still one minute left . So just marketing:  project manager: I think it's okay if you just keep it a bit square . Yeah , marketing: It The th th industrial designer: I d I don't know n something about ergonomic kind of fits-in-the-hand  stuff . It's only annoying if it if it's like that f formed like that , like f Whatever . Just you have a normal industrial designer: Yeah , but we're we're aiming at a young public . marketing: There is one There's just one overall important aspect is that we must make it fancy and it looks original , and I hope we can  make it look not like the iPod itself . But you're If you look at the way remote controls are now project manager: But i it is it is it is already fancy . user interface: And if you make it look like the iPod marketing: Yeah , they're all the same . So that's already a very big change project manager:  maybe maybe make the the  the wha what's it called  scroll wheel . Maybe we have to ask  to the the  to her if it has if it can work better than this . project manager: We just we just skip the the the voca or was it the the speech recognition . Yeah , do we s keep that ? Yeah , I think project manager: Or keep that ? It's okay . But you'd definitely need a industrial designer: S user interface: Well  project manager: advanced chip . marketing:  industrial designer: And we we have to build in a microphone and user interface: Well that's very easy . We already have  the beeping of the home station , industrial designer: Yeah , and I do I don't know anything about that . user interface: so industrial designer: I d I didn't receive any information on speech recognition , marketing: No . Becau project manager: Can we just put it speech recognition in it as well , marketing: Yeah . But project manager: okay ? user interface: So marketing: Ma user interface: shall we it open then ? project manager: Yeah . user interface: Oh yeah , I marketing: But we don't have any f information about the cost . marketing: We started with information about the cost was now th user interface: I just I just received the industrial designer: Yeah ,  I have I have some some information about the cost . marketing: And how much is the chip ? The the the industrial designer: I don't know how much , but user interface: Yeah , our division has developed a new speech recognition feature , the integrated programmable sample sensor simple speaker u unit . industrial designer: Just in inexpensive or user interface: This is a very small electronic unit , will give a standard answer after it recognise a question . user interface: Yeah  th that's just It's a marketing: Does it say does it say something back ? project manager: Okay , we have to stop it now . Yeah , it Well that's integrated in the chip , so if you use the speech recognition , that's in it . project manager: Okay , that's a r That's that's a advanced industrial designer: But i it's a separate chip . user interface: I dunno , but if we use speech recognition , that will be in it as well . industrial designer: Yeah , I don't know anything about this , marketing:  project manager: Yeah , we just decide not to put it in , industrial designer: but Nah . project manager: Okay , just user interface: And there's a chip in it that will project manager: We have to stop it now


user interface: Are we doing the the speech recognition ? Because we didn't have enough time to  de  design the inside as well . project manager: Okay , just user interface: Yeah , just  we have to design the inside then , but it should be  industrial designer: Yeah , and Or are we making a slide open , like underneath ? Or fold open ? I don't know . project manager: Okay , so that's  I'll just have a look how much that is . industrial designer: The project manager: But  Okay , for the user interface: Advanced chip was for  spee Yeah . marketing: Means industrial designer: So you hold it like this in your right hand and project manager:  . user interface:  so I've industrial designer: Yeah , maybe maybe  you have to configure it . user interface: Yes , you need options to configure it , and after that you don't need 'em anymore . user interface: That's  industrial designer: Well we haven't had time to design that , the slide pad . user interface: We also don't know how many buttons are required , or what kind of buttons . marketing: user interface: So  the best place , the best reach place  on-off buttons , text buttons , mute buttons are together and at a place they easily are , easy to find . That way you don't have to make it red , 'cause it's will  will show up .  y you need to have more  one two th You've got one two three four five six seven eight nine . user interface: Okay yeah , they marketing: But you missed the no  the zero and  the two stripes . user interface: And also in the num-pads , there's also colour light behind it . project manager: And do you still can , do you still can choose what colour , kind of colour you want ? user interface: So when you pre Yeah . project manager: How do you want to implement that ? Just on the Maybe on the second level as well ? user interface: We're going to implement . industrial designer: All the non-basic are in project manager: Okay , just draw draw the second level , because we need that as well .  marketing: Okay , there is one  function I use  daily , and it's not on the basic functions . industrial designer: Okay , maybe we use this button for the marketing: That function must be Yeah , maybe Or you can  i  lay it  beneath in the  other  functions . project manager: Just just draw a second level one and say all options that are still left or something . industrial designer: Like a a new blank one or Or just here ? project manager: No no , just on Down there . marketing: And h how does the second level come out ? project manager: Just  if you s marketing:  it slides  along ? user interface:  slides I think . user interface: You can do it that it claps open , but I think that's not solid enough . marketing: Scart ? user interface: I think we can even put a We have one for the zero and one for the for the more digit  channels . user interface: So you have one left for the Right , the video channel , Play Station , etcetera . user interface: project manager: You want to save that file as well ? The drawing ? user interface: That was it . What else ? user interface:  ? industrial designer: What else ? user interface: What else ?  menu buttons with arrows . project manager: user interface: Well we don't have any , anything on how many buttons speech requires . marketing:  and and you can hold it , project manager: marketing: you can hold it , and then the colours switch or  multiple multiple buttons . That's   industrial designer: So did we miss anything ? user interface: Yeah , maybe some  some text next to the scroll wheel , that it is volume . marketing: Yeah , but project manager: No , ma on on o on the on the user interface: I just  The volume logo . marketing: there's one there's one text button I industrial designer: Oh wh Here ? project manager: Yeah . That's the one  that you use if you search for a page ,  like seven hundred ,  and it's counting from one hundred to two hundred , you will switch to your television and back to text . marketing: Did you think of that ? industrial designer: Yeah , but then you can switch back to normal telete teletext . You just switch it off and then user interface:  why not ? project manager: Yeah , just put it on those extra f extra function as well . And if you press it again , you get the the the user interface: I think  marketing: The sta the state you project manager: Oh just three stages , you industrial designer: through view . industrial designer: Yeah , b but but if you're in the second stage , the third stage is switch teletext off . If you if you turn teletext on , you you set the seven hundred , and you turn it off , then the next time you turn it on , it still stays on seven hundred ? project manager: Yes , that's to remember . project manager: Yeah , but that's that's  marketing: But maybe it's not the way user interface: I dunno if project manager: That's a functionality for the television . industrial designer: Yeah  nee  No , if i  the remote can send like the the code for seven hundred , page seven hundred to the television . industrial designer: Th i project manager: That's what what happening if you do it like that . So that's it ? project manager: Is this prich pretty much it , yeah ? marketing: Yeah , I I thought about one thing . marketing: Because  if you use it a couple of years , some  sometimes the numbers on the on the buttons are slide away , are  And maybe we can write the numbers below or above ? Or shall we just turn it on on the buttons ? user interface: I think just on the buttons . industrial designer:  I think just  user interface: If you do it abo above or below , it takes  more space .  well I looked in the reports  from the marketing strategy , or  of  the the the the the the new needs and  the market . We sh we we we can give it  a number , and then we can give ourself an average for our project manager: Okay . marketing: Yeah , the the the difference be between  beautiful and fancy  look-and-feel is  the the the outside  beautiful  like the iPod or something . And fancy's more like the   f the flashing lights and the colours and and that kind of stuff . user interface: If it's really  , if you can if you can get the iPod look , then it's beautiful , I think . project manager: But  marketing: And and what ki what kind of what kind of basic colours  were you thought  of ? industrial designer: Yeah beautiful's is also a matter of taste . user interface:  ? marketing: The basic colours are black or green or yellow ? user interface:  basic colours , marketing: Or you haven't thought about user interface:  yeah . marketing: Ho how do we make  user interface: Maybe  company colours ? project manager: It's black . marketing: Can project manager: Do we have yellow light ? No , not really , but it's possible . project manager: It's marketing: Black white , maybe ? user interface: Like white , also ni or  always nice . industrial designer: And what colours should the buttons be ? marketing:  Because  project manager: Yeah , different colours . industrial designer: But can you change those too , with  the switch ? project manager: No , no . marketing: Okay , so what  number do we give  a beautiful ? Beautiful is  really subjective ,  because it has to do lots with the colours . user interface: Well we have changeable fronts , so marketing: Changeable fronts , so ev for everyone for everyone it's something beautiful . marketing: So industrial designer: Are w are we changing  Or are they there  backlights on the slide panel too ? Or n no back light ? marketing: Slide panel ? industrial designer: Yeah ? project manager: No . industrial designer: And and the switch channel is  There is a back light too ? project manager: That as well , yeah . That's that's really fancy , but I don't know if it's reachable . industrial designer: And th and the the normal backlights also not the buttons , but behind the buttons . user interface: Yeah , w we've done a a lot of detail in light , so marketing: So I'll give it a project manager: Ye marketing: Yeah , and you can  also choose your light , so project manager: Yeah , this It is a one . project manager: This is a difficult one , because we we don't Yeah , we don't know it about the marketing: Learnable ? Easy to use ? Yeah , we shall test it But  project manager:  it's it's very easy to use , but  the second layer is not easy to use . project manager: It's That's industrial designer: No , but you don't have to use that . industrial designer: That's th that's the main thing that's so good about it . user interface: So I think it's easy to use , but And learnable is a bit marketing: Learnable ? It's not not as fast as a usual   remote control . marketing: Because because I think I think the scroll wheel ,  it's very handy , but the first time you get this thing in your hands , it's not to use the scroll wheel . user interface: Well y just  f marketing: I think  you must  seek for it , and up or down or project manager: But the rest of it is very easy , marketing:  then the re project manager: because there are so so n user interface: Yeah , I think it's very clear what it all does . user interface: But the second parts ,  like speech , etcetera , that will be harder to learn . project manager: So it is learnable  f i i In the first place it's very easy to use . user interface: It's Yeah it's marketing: But project manager: And I think its scrollwheel is u easy to use as well , if you have ever used  a different kind of  of  device . But we we've got the two so two  two or three  new things , huh ? user interface: Device . project manager: Okay , just Easy to use is very cool , marketing: I I think it a three or something . Learnable's project manager: No , but definitely better , much better than  than  than avera average , yeah . industrial designer: And the one you showed is just all buttons and you don't know user interface: Yep , true . project manager:  I already have a V_C_R_ and it's about from nineteen eighty eight . user interface: But also slide that buttons come out , as well ? industrial designer: project manager: Yeah . marketing: Is that new ? project manager: Yeah for a  for a f marketing: The lighting's new . user interface: Different colours , so marketing: Yeah , different fronts for a remote control , I think that's new too . marketing: So we have a pretty new  project manager: There are no games on it , that's that's It's not a one , it's a two again . user interface: That would And we didn't  marketing: It's it's it's not not L_C_D_ or something . project manager: If you have user interface: We are forgetting about that now , but project manager: Yeah . industrial designer: Yeah , we didn't draw that too , but user interface: But that's more like  now . project manager: If you Can you save it on the same , in the same map as the other ones ? In the the project  map ? user interface:  Just save , save as ? project manager: Yeah . And new features , so we give it a two or also again a one ? No , I think i if you have games on it , then then you give you have a one .  we are the targeted audience ? Do we like it ? marketing: No , we we we searched for   a young group , audience , beneath f forty . Yeah , but did we reach ,  with our  style , the targeted audience ? project manager: I think so , yeah . project manager: So you want industrial designer: We've got a one for fancy look-and-feel , and that's what attracts the young audience . marketing:  the only point is that we don't  have   That's that's That's this question . user interface: You can different front  marketing:  yeah , th So we had we  have  a fruit  project manager: So industrial designer: Like a a f banana kind of front . marketing: That's  project manager: It's marketing: What's the average ? industrial designer: Eleven divided by six . project manager: Oh yeah , that's still user interface:  marketing: Call industrial designer: Yeah , but  we have to make a speaker then too . marketing: That's Yeah , but it industrial designer: But we can we can do it  underneath the logo . user interface: Yeah , th the speaker is very small as well , right ? industrial designer: Yeah , okay . Yeah , there are some that they didn't mention , because recharge is not on the list . So I think we are pretty much in the right direction , because it's twelve point three Euros . industrial designer: But  is   project manager: So this is a regular chip incl and and a sample speaker . industrial designer: But but is it inc Does it include a a homestation or project manager: No , that's not on the list . industrial designer: Can we make that for  h twenty cents ? user interface: Yeah , we can  marketing: project manager: Probably . I just The b the button supplements , I didn't I d I was wondering if this special colour maybe was I'm not sure . So industrial designer: Yeah m If we got a high mark for   innovativeness or innovativity project manager: Yeah . project manager: Okay , so the leadership Was there a leadership and user interface: Of course there was . industrial designer: project manager: What do you have to say about that ? industrial designer: No , I think marketing: Who was the leader ? project manager: I dunno . industrial designer: Yeah , w we had so much information , that we get through email and just project manager: We're not finished . user interface: And  I think it would be great if you could edit it from , just with a mouse , from where you're sitting . project manager: And so you've industrial designer: Yeah , and p just point with a mouse . user interface: Oh industrial designer: What's that ? marketing: For for for project manager: I don't know what it mean . Just user interface: I just think if we  marketing: To gather , or to  work together ,  or new ideas for project manager: For remote control probably . industrial designer: Yeah , but still , you couldn't make a fancy a f you couldn't make a a prototype out of this . industrial designer: Yeah , but it You can't possibly do that in such a short time , I think . Yeah , this this is just the idea phase , the industrial designer: Yeah , just brainstorming basically . Do we  I thought we were done at four o'clock ? industrial designer: It's now quarter past three . user interface: This is industrial designer: We're probably not supposed to look at this , but user interface: The old versions . marketing: What's this ? A bomb or not a bo user interface: No no , the upper one is the bomb . industrial designer: And what else do we have ? user interface: Stupid , the L_C_D_ screen . marketing: 'Kay wait , I'm going to draw something and you must y industrial designer: user interface: What ? Okay , I'm going to guess what you're drawing . project manager: You have to save everything , you know that , huh ? user interface: No , not everything . user interface: I think I know what you're trying to draw , but it's wrong already . F user interface: No , you're wrong , you're wrong marketing: A little bit maybe , but user interface: See where you're wrong now ? The entrance . But but but I think this part user interface: Yeah , but I think marketing: user interface: Oh no you made another mistake


I'm the Project Manager of this project , and  , well I will tell you on what actually is the project .  there are cameras industrial designer: project manager: everywhere around the room especially here for your face , of course , and this isn't a pie , it's a a set of microphones industrial designer: project manager: and there are microphones here also .  well  user interface: Well industrial designer: project manager: I said I'm the Project Manager and  I'm hoping  for a good project and  I'd like to hear  who you are and what your functions are  on this project . industrial designer: Okay ,  I'm  I'm the Industrial Designer and I  hope to  look forward to  a very  pleasing  end of this  project .  well I said  we're working on a project and the aim for the project is to to create a to design a new remote control which  has to be original , trendy and of course , user friendly . As you can see , all of these phases consists of two parts , namely individual work part and a meeting where we will discuss  our work so far .  as you also noticed  this presentation document is in our  project folder and every document you put in this folder  is  it is possible to show that here in our meeting room .  and yeah there are available on both smart boards but I think we will  mainly use this one for the documents in the shared folder .  the most functions  we will use will be to to add a new page ,   to go back and forward between pages , and of course  to save it every now and then .  and this is the pen with which you can draw on the board , for instance like this if everything's okay , user interface: project manager: but I first have to put it on the pen , you see I'm new to it too . project manager: As you can see you have to move it a little bit slow , it's not such a fast board , it's a smart board but also a slow board . industrial designer: user interface: project manager:  but you can write things and of course you can also , when you click here ,  erase things , so we have  est left . project manager: Well you can erase it with the eraser , but  you shouldn't delete an entire page , but just create a new blank one . marketing: S project manager: I will delete this one now because we don't use it yet . project manager: But you can of course erase when you make a mistake , but don't  delete entire pages . And you can also  let's see I think it's here  change the  colour of your pen , for instance take a blue one and  change the line width like to five .  that's what you will need for our first exercise , because I'm  going to ask you to draw your favourite animal . user interface: industrial designer: project manager: It's also to gets to know each other because  I'm asking three things ,  for that  drawing , industrial designer: Okay . project manager: to do it on a blank sheet , with different colours and I just showed you how to pick a colour , and also with different pen widths which I also showed you . Well I'm not very good at drawing , but I will  go first and  try to draw user interface: project manager: Or maybe you should guess what I'm drawing , eh . And I hope our project group will not be slow , industrial designer: project manager: but we will  work to a good result industrial designer: project manager: and do it  as fast as we can . user interface: marketing: I think it's easy to r  to recognise as a giraffe . marketing: Anything else you need to know ? project manager: Could you write the words ,  underneath it ? Or more words . industrial designer: marketing: user interface: Well  industrial designer: user interface: you can guess what it is , I hope . project manager: industrial designer: I've I've  user interface: industrial designer: Eraser . I can see we have some  drawing talent  in this group , industrial designer: user interface: Not really . And we're hoping for a aim of fifty million Euros and  we are hoping to achieve that  by aiming for an international market .  what's your experience with remote controls ,  what kind of ideas do you have to design a new remote control , maybe for which market segments should we aim , or should we aim for all segments . marketing: Yeah but then again you you still have a lot of buttons , user interface: Yeah , that's right . industrial designer: Yeah marketing: so industrial designer: but you could  I thin  there's a possibility to g  to  to put those buttons  behind some  kind of  protection marketing: Flap user interface: Right . Yeah , okay , that's possible , industrial designer: That's possible , so that you only get the marketing: but it'll get very big the the remote control . industrial designer: No n n no , just  for example you got th  the same size  remote control you use everyday , but  the usual buttons such as   zapping  as you call it in Dutch . Because  things for  teletext , I dunno  , w industrial designer: marketing: - , of course . project manager: So you don't want to bother people with  loads of buttons , but on the other hand they need many buttons marketing: No . user interface: But if if it's if it's international you should  look in think in Britain they have  different things they can do with the T_V_ , or so  that you can choose what you want to see . I dunno if you should  take that in consideration , or that you just should aim for the normal T_V_s industrial designer:  . marketing: Yeah I think that's the better one , user interface: And the B_B_C_ . marketing: because I think if you you're going to target a lot of people and the whole world and only Britain then I think the cost will  rise higher than the twelve fifty , I think . So  I think  when p  when  the customers will buy this remote control , they already have  the remote control which  companies   with  the the standards  remote control with which comes  with the television . user interface: Well industrial designer: In those in that user interface: but marketing: No but user interface: but then you have to to find your other remote control if you want to search . Yeah , th it it's I think that's not user interface: That's not industrial designer: Yeah but I but it is impossible to  to accommodate  accommodate  all the buttons on the s on the difference different televisions sets on one remote control . industrial designer: Because  for example Sony television  has the opportunity to s to make   to make it possible for to see on one side of the screen  teletext , and on the other side  just n  regular television . industrial designer: Because you can't use a Panasonic  remote control on a on a Philips television . marketing: Yeah , but then you have to choose the always with r universal remotes you have to choose the code . But I think like the two pages on the same screen , like teletext and normal television , that's that's nowadays standard , I think . industrial designer: but  I think that most people  th  will buy the remote control because because  the first they lost the one they lost first one marketing: Simplicity . user interface: and c if you look into the future , then they want will want the button , if their thing is broke .  our next meeting  will start well we're a little bit early , but our next meeting will start in in thirty minutes . industrial designer: user interface: project manager: In the meantime  there's time for some  individual actions . project manager: that's good , five minutes and  the meeting's over ,  right on schedule . industrial designer: No , user interface: No industrial designer: the Industrial Designer will take a look at the working design , user interface: the Yeah . industrial designer: and the in  usability interaction user interface: project manager: Industrial Designer , okay , industrial designer: Yeah , okay . user interface: So So I should look at  what you should be able to do with the remote , or  , or how I don't really project manager:  well those instructions will be  in the email you will receive  shortly , I hope . project manager: No ? Okay well I think then we have to head  back to our offices and  start working . marketing: Where does it says we have to make a remote , because I presumed She didn't know who . project manager: Okay , well I expect everything will be much clearer with the instructions we will receive  shortly


The opening , which we are doing now ,  and the special note , I'm project manager but on the meetings I'm also the secretary , which means I will make  minutes as I did of the previous meeting . industrial designer: project manager: And  I also put these as fast as possible in the  project folder , so you can see them and review what we have discussed .  if I'm right , there are three presentations , I guess each one of you has prepared one ? Good . project manager: And  we will also take a look at new project requirements ,  if you haven't heard about them yet . And then of course we have to take a decision on the remote control functions and we have some more time , forty minutes . marketing: Well , shall I go first with the users ? user interface: Well marketing: I think well okay no problem . project manager: Is there an order ? I haven't user interface: everybody already has his presentation , marketing: Ja precies , ja precies , ja precies user interface: so you can adjust it . Huh ? Okay ,  project manager: And one question ,  your name Denni , is it with a marketing: E_I_E_ .  when you press a button ,  that's when you do pr for example when you  want to turn up the volume ,  a little connection is made  the the rubber  button just presses on a project manager: Sorry . marketing: user interface: industrial designer: on a little print plate  which  makes   a connection that  gives the chips ,  which is  mounted beneath those  that plastic of a rubber button .  senses that a connection has been made , and know and knows what button you pressed , becau  for example the the volume up or volume down button .   the the chip  makes a Morse code  like  signal which  then is si  signalled to  several transistors which makes  which sends the signal to a little let .  the findings   that I found  searching up some  detailed information about the remote controls , are that  they are very easy to produce ,  it is pis  it's possible to  make them in mass production because it is as eas it is as easy as  printing a page ,  just  fibreglass plate  is b  is  covered with  some  coatings and   and chips . user interface: industrial designer:  and the technology's already available , we don't have to find out how remote controls  have to work or  how that how  to make some chips that are possible to  to to transmit those  signals . project manager: Yeah , it's a little bug it's in the in the smart board .  well user interface: industrial designer: the sub-component , I suppose that you understand what a sub-component is , is f in this example it's the button .  when it is pressed down , the switch is ter is  is switched on , so with  the wire is sent to the to the chip in  co-operation with the battery of course , because to make  a a signal possible you have to have some sort of  li  a d ad  electronic  user interface: marketing: Infrared light .  w after it's being composed by the chip  the signal  is transported  to the infra-red bulb , and from there it signals a Morse code-like signal to the to the b to the bulb in  in the television set . Of course it is very handy if the remote control is hand held , so you don't have to   wind it up or something , or just is it's it's very light to  to make  to use it .  I personally  pref prefer that  it would be p  come available in the various colours , and  easy to use buttons . industrial designer: And it is possible for several designs and  easy to use b  sorry , easy to use buttons . Perhaps soft touch ,  touch screen  buttons because  the rubber buttons are always   they  slightly  they can be slightly damaged , marketing: industrial designer:  so the numbers on the buttons are not possible  to read anymore . industrial designer: Okay , well , that's my contribution to this meeting , and  marketing: To this meeting . user interface: Well  , my name's , and I looked at  technical functions design of the remote .  I did this by  looking at examples of other remote controls , of how they  they look , and information from the web that I found .  well what I found was that  th the actual use of the remote control is to send messages to television set , how you  d what you described  just early . And this can be all sorts of medsa messages , turn it on , turn it off ,  change the channel , adjust volume , that kind of thing .  play video , teletext , but also t  play C_D_ if you use it your C_D_ player the remote control will that one . The one has got all the functions that you could possibly need and an lot of  buttons etcetera . And  not n all the the the the stuff you can do with it , but  the the essential stuff is there .  I guess you could better y you should look at a a user centred  approach , because the customers have to use them and and if they don't think it's usable they won't  buy it .  , well perf personal preferences is is  a simple remote , with  the basic functions that you can need that you could use . But  keep in mind the new functions of T_V_ what we discussed earlier , split screen and  is that a function that you should have ? Because all the T_V_s will have them . And then  make it I would make so that you can could  use it on more than one appliance . If you have one that   does with the vi the the video , it could also work with  with the stereo , because play is play and stop stop and that sort of thing . The shu c you could reuse the buttons so that you don't have to have a lot of buttons for  anything . We're going to j discuss the functional requirements of the remote , that m that means that functions user n want to have on the remote control , or just Yeah , and the users , actually . industrial designer: marketing: The methods I I prefer is we're going to look which section of the users we are going to focus a l on more . Are the younger people going to buy the remote control or the elderly people ? And then tho that section we're going to focus and adjust the remote more to that section than the whole user section . Younger people , from sixteen to thir forty five  years are more interested in fj features like L_C_D_ screens , speech recognition e etcetera . The elderly people , from forty five years to sixty five years are not that much interested in features , and we possess less than two third , that's two fifth , of the market share in that area . industrial designer: marketing: So we don't have to make it very small , like  like a mobile phone or something , but some somewhat bi bigger than small , so you don't lose it that much anymore . marketing: and fif seventy five of the users zap a lot , so the buttons sh should be that small , or shouldn't be that complex because we have to search for the buttons , which one are you going to use . Remote control has to have to have a low power usage , because s w seventy five percent of the users only zap one time an hour , so the power usage is also one one time an hour , or so , with a high power usage we would use a lot of but batteries . The volume button and the channel buttons are the two most important buttons on the remote control , so those they those have to h be find very easily . So  if that's k  if that's the problem , you also have to find it easily on the remote . L_C_D_ screen is easy because we have the L_C_D_ screen , we have the various options . Put one option and then you have the all the buttons of that options , so the other options would be gone . So L_C_D_ screens should be easy , but an L_C_D_ screen , the problem with the L_ sc L_C_D_ screen is that elderly people fr from forty five to for sixty five years don't use the L_C_D_ screen a lot . So we have to that keep that in mind that if you're going to implement L_C_D_ screen , you don't have to make it that hard to learn or to use . industrial designer:  L_C_D_ screen as in  touch screen ? marketing: Yeah , touch screen , yeah . marketing: So we have to keep in mind to to focus not a lot not that much on the younger pep younger people , but also somewhat on the elderly people . And on my personal preferences , I don't have any mo more time to come with that , user interface: marketing: but like I said , L_C_D_ screen is easily to use industrial designer: marketing: because you have you can implement a lot of buttons in one remote with not that much buttons . Especially the volume buttons , the channel buttes buttons and the number buttons to zap through the channels . project manager: then I think it's a good thing that I made a separate slide of them marketing: Ja , project manager: so you can all read them . project manager: So that's  the first thing we I think we should pay less attention to  teletext .  the remote control should only be used for the television , otherwise the project becomes more complex , which endangers the time to market , and of course would make it more costly , I think .  our current customers are within the age group of forty plus , and new product should reach a new market with customers that are younger than forty , and you talked about that before . And  a last point , but also very important , our corporate image should stay recognisable in our products , which means that our  corporate colour and slogan must be implemented in the new design . So , who has any idea about what should be on it , and what shouldn't ? user interface: Well you said it should only  work with one appliance ? marketing: Be television . user interface: And the video also , or not  ? project manager: Well it says only for television here , huh . user interface: Then it should have  on , off , industrial designer: Yeah for user interface: and  industrial designer: Standby options , marketing: Yeah , the basics then by a volume , channel , one till two zero numbers on it , industrial designer: yeah ?  yeah . And per perhaps  marketing: oh teletext doesn't have to be ? user interface: No . user interface: Well   yes yes s sh A button where you can  change from one number to two numbers . user interface: Don't know if that's got a name , industrial designer: Yeah I understand what you mean . user interface: but marketing: I think it's I think it's easy to implement a button with a s s what which especially do that , because some T_V_s , if you press the t one and then the two , it be between five secs it make twelve , industrial designer: It makes it twelve , yeah . marketing: and that's that's not relaxed industrial designer: Well , not really marketing: to user . industrial designer: d  wh the Philip's television makes it possible in that indeed to  press one and then two to make  the  tj to reach channel twelve . industrial designer: But  all the television makes  use of those button where you first press that button and then press two digits to  to get marketing: Yeah . marketing: Our main targets' age are ? were ? Forty five plus , or ? user interface: Mute misschien also . project manager: new product should reach a market with customers that are younger than forty , and now we have current customers  of forty plus . marketing: Forties , okay because because younger people as  younger people have now , sixteen till to twenty five age , are f eighty one percent interested in L_C_D_ screen . From twenty six to thirty five have sixty six percent , and thirty six to forty five , fifty five percent , so I think to  Because on most recog remote controls  the print plate will be broken how much , two years . marketing: With the L_C_D_ screen it's easier because you only have to wipe the screen to  for fingerprint , industrial designer: Yeah , we we could yeah . user interface: marketing: industrial designer: But  Well  is it possible to make an L_C_D_ screen  , how was the information ? marketing: Yeah , it only says that this perce percentage like L_C_D_ screen . user interface: But , do you industrial designer: Yeah but  will we not  exceed our  our  production  marketing: Yeah you don't know how much it costs . Yeah , you don't know how much it costs , the L_C_D_ screen . industrial designer: Is it possible to find out , anyway ? marketing: No , I don't have any costs here , industrial designer: You know ? marketing: I only have percentages . user interface: But if you would do an L_C_D_ screen do we have don don't you have any buttons ? Or because if it only directs at the T_V_ , then you only have  I don't know what you want to do with the L_C_D_ screen . industrial designer: No , an L_C_D_ screen's just like  like a drawn here .  just  displays several buttons , user interface: Yeah ? industrial designer: for example  if you wanted the minimal  use b  buttons , such as channel and volume , you just h  displays four buttons on the screen user interface: Oh right , so you can industrial designer: and it's possible to p  press them down , just like a touch screen . marketing: Yeah , if you want to adjust , like for example , adjust the audio settings , you press audio on the touchscreen industrial designer: Yeah yeah . project manager: So we're going for an L_C_D_ screen ? user interface: Yeah . marketing: I think it's the most easier thing , industrial designer: That's my  project manager: And hoping that when we produce a lot it won't be too expensive . user interface: Any guesses ? industrial designer: marketing: industrial designer: Well I suppose wi if the mar if our  if the i if the young people are interested in L_C_D_ screens , we should make 'em . industrial designer: And if that is our d  market share to  and our goal to  deliver those  remote controls user interface: But But he also said that we should not only focus on the younger people , but also on the older , and will they use it if it only has an L_C_D_ screen ? marketing: Yeah , but  , s forty six to forty five , thirty three percent , and sixty fifty six to sixty five twelve percent . user interface: Oh , so still a little bit people marketing: But our our our what's it , project requirements are the new products should be reached for new markets , to customers that are younger than forty . But you don't want to alienate the other  marketing: No , that not now , but , so user interface: But if they also buy it then it's alright . marketing: Yeah , but market share fro for for forty years and younger is higher than that of sixty five and younger . project manager: Okay , so L_C_D_ it is ? user interface: An Yes . project manager: And what else ? industrial designer: I hope we  h and let's hope to reach those  those sales . marketing: Yeah , i i if it Yeah , if it costs gets too much , too expensive , then yeah , we should be sticking to rubber buttons . industrial designer: Yeah , can you   s I think that that they will send you some information about  the cost of L_C_D_  screens . user interface: But perhaps later , industrial designer:  so if you  user interface: so  industrial designer: Yeah , so if you  you receive an email about that ,  can you post it in the or shouldn't we post that in  our projects mail  folder . industrial designer: I  user interface: Well perhaps we should have a backup plan that we would use buttons if it's  too expensive . industrial designer: user interface: The L_C_D_ ? Oh that's a bit of a problem . marketing: Yeah , and eighty percent of the users would spend more money with a when a remote would look fancy . marketing: Yeah , just a the plain remotes , not not specific L_C_D_ remotes . project manager: Yeah , and maybe you can make something fancy out of an L_C_D_ remote , marketing: So project manager: because it's new , as far as I know . marketing: And then you have the other thing , that seventy five percent zap a lot , but that's not a f question with the L_C_D_ screen . marketing: Only thing you have to do is wipe the screen off once each time , to get all the fingerprints off it . Okay ? project manager: Okay , what else does our remote need ? user interface: A mute button . And marketing: The most important things on a f on an on an  remote control are channel selection , volume con selection , industrial designer: Yeah . user interface: But But shouldn't you put a button of for teletext on the for the people who want to use it ? marketing: Other things are Sorry ? user interface: Remembering we have got a big remote that you have to fill . Yeah , and we could make an a a separate menu on the L_C_D_  screen for teletext . industrial designer: And there's also a marketing: And other other less important things are screen settings , audio settings , and channel settings , user interface: Yeah , they are less important , but I think they should be there , marketing: Less important . user interface: or not ? marketing: Yeah , should be there , industrial designer: A sh marketing: but not press industrial designer: but in a sub sub-menu or something like that . industrial designer:  I think it's also important to  make it possible to  how do you call it in English , to not use batteries , and use ac  bat  batteries to  to be project manager: So  you can mount  the the the  marketing: Yeah , in a breath it's industrial designer:  the remote control to  project manager: user interface: We should think of the twelve fifty we have industrial designer: to refill the user interface: but marketing: Yeah , user interface: I don't know how much that's going to  marketing: but we don't we don't have any costs now , industrial designer: Yeah . industrial designer: because i  when you get an L_C_D_ screen , you run it on batteries , user interface: Yeah . user interface: If you have an L_C_D_ screen that's burns all the time I dunno . user interface: You shouldn't on and off because that's ver extra , that you have t first you have to turn the remote on , and then you can  project manager: industrial designer:  marketing: Yeah , I think it's it's not that easy because I don't think people will like it who who  that you have to turn it on first and then use it , user interface: Nee that's that's  yeah . marketing: so I think it's better when th the T_V_ shuts down , the remote shuts down . user interface: But then you can't industrial designer: And go to standby mode when you don't use it , user interface: Yeah . user interface: marketing: And then b that  industrial designer: marketing: before an hour when its get again gets empty . marketing: Yeah , because when you're watching T_V_ , you're zapping and you have to put it in a recharger , user interface: Yeah . Yeah , b when the batteries are low industrial designer: No , marketing: and I don't think it industrial designer: when you when you're done with s  w  watching your television , you have to put it marketing: Yeah , okay , but then we have to be sure that the the the the batteries go hours , six hours , five , six hours , then . user interface: But you'll also forget to put it in , industrial designer: Yeah sure , of course . user interface: because you throw it on the couch industrial designer: Yeah , marketing: Yeah , industrial designer: but marketing: then you have a problem . industrial designer: so I marketing: Or we have to be sure that the batteries last couple of days when they're recharged . user interface: Well I think the batteries should should w should work a lot longer than a couple of days , marketing: So . user interface: or not ? marketing: Yeah because you have b user interface: 'Cause marketing: but you have L_C_D_ screen . industrial designer: High power user cell , i  it should be  a standard move to to put your remote control in the charger when you're done watching television , marketing: Yes . industrial designer: that's also a a a great advantage because you can't lose it anymore . Because you are obliged to  put it in the charger and not to  leave it in a couch  between some cushions . user interface: But then you also have to s have somewhere where you can put a remo recharger near your couch project manager: Yeah , also . user interface: because otherwise you have to walk a long way when you twoft want to turn on the T_V_ . industrial designer: Yeah just just a cable , or a even a a a a a charger where you can mount it on . project manager: Okay , well I've marketing: It has to be easy to use also , or things . industrial designer: Functional designs  for the elderly  you could make it possible to enlarge the screen , marketing: I think . industrial designer: Because we can look at   perhaps  forty buttons at a screen , but the elderly only look at two buttons . project manager: And you said something about speech recognition ? marketing: Yeah , industrial designer: Speech recognition ? marketing: it says also industrial designer: Hello . That's an also ninety one percent sixteen to twenty five , twenty six to thirty five years , seventy six percent , and thirty six to forty five , thirty five percent . marketing: But then I I I project manager: Even bigger than for L_C_D_ . industrial designer: let's leave out all the remote controls and just put a microphone on top of the television to user interface: Yeah . industrial designer: that should it has to be remote control , not marketing: Yeah , industrial designer: Yeah . user interface: But they want to talk into the remo remote control , or something , industrial designer: Sure why not why not marketing: Yeah . user interface: or ? marketing: Is this only would you would you pay more for speech recognition in a remote control . user interface: Oh , but do we want to implement that , or ? marketing: I think an L_C_D_ screen should be suf sufficient . project manager: But when you look at the percentages marketing: Yeah , it says a lot , but project manager: Speech recognition scores even higher , huh ? industrial designer: Perhaps the options should be  Why not ? user interface: project manager: Yeah , well , industrial designer: Why not ? project manager: maybe because of the cost , but  nobody knows  how much  it will cost  . industrial designer: Let's hope  to have some  d user interface: I know marketing: No I think I think it's better to have L_ L_C_D_ screen , because in the area of tw thirty six to forty five , we have about thirty percent of the market share in in our hands , and fifty five of those people want L_C_D_ screen and thirty five want speech recognition . user interface: With that  marketing: If it should be done , if it could be done , I won't matter . user interface: but how would you like to implement that , that you say volume up , and then it goes up , industrial designer: Yeah . Then  it's y it's yours to do a French and Dutch and English marketing: True . marketing: But that should also be with f should be also with L_C_D_ screen . marketing: Because then I think in Chinese is different written , volume is different written than  Swahili or something . marketing: 'Kay , what else ? project manager: So , no speech recognition ? Or user interface: Well , if it could be done , we marketing: Yeah , industrial designer: Y it should be done . industrial designer: That's not so difficult at all , project manager: Okay , just make a separate remote for each  industrial designer: because I already use on several voice operated systems , and they are all possible to  not all , but user interface: Well , you sh you should to adjust the thing . I think it can't be implemented , but maybe user interface: You could use that n as an option , if you have money left , or something . Well I've written down an an on or off button , volume selection , channel selection ,  the digits from one to zero , huh .  a digits button to switch  between one and two digits , mute button , a separate menu for teletext , a battery indicator .  we're going to use a docking station and  probably L_C_D_ and if there's enough money , speech recognition . user interface: I With  teletext if it wasn't ver very important , it was but marketing: No , but user interface: You also now have colours . Yeah , marketing: Curved ? user interface: when you press the red button , you go to page one hundred two , and when you press the industrial designer:  yeah . user interface: because it says that teletext not really important , industrial designer: S Shortcuts . marketing: I think we should we could that we could also implement a audio settings , screen settings and channel settings , but as sub-menus . marketing: D Mainly if you turn the  remote control on , you have to u you have to see from one till zero , channel and volume . project manager: Okay , so not too much teletext support , but in a separate menu , and industrial designer:  . industrial designer: So does it confuse  the user ? user interface: You'll have to search for it . user interface: industrial designer: If you want to use teletext , you can push the teletext button and then the options  become available . project manager: Okay , but no more buttons or functions , or ? user interface: I guess not . What else can you do with a television ? user interface: We've got anon project manager: Aren't we forgetting something very important ? user interface: Have got got two examples here , but I don't think there's anything we're missing . user interface: Well , we don't have the video orders marketing: Yes , so this is your presentation . user interface: Yeah , you could look here all the the marketing: Which ones were yours ? user interface:  th th th th I don't know , technical functions . marketing: Techni user interface: They're a bit small , you can we should stretch them , because project manager: Ping . user interface: And for a T_V_ ? Can you zoom in a T_V_ ? marketing: Yeah , b wide screen , high screen , different things you have , user interface: Or that you can put 'em on  on on wide and marketing: yeah different  user interface: yeah . user interface: Yeah , so you can program the marketing: So those four , and of course the main . user interface: Yeah , so the first you see the main , and the other ones you can  go to  marketing: Yeah . marketing: Something industrial designer: There are a lot of options depending  on what kind of television you got . marketing: Yeah , if  industrial designer: 'Cause if you don't got a wide screen television you don't need the  the screen settings marketing: No , you don't yu a no you then you don't no ni don't industrial designer:  for  marketing: then you don't use it . industrial designer: Colours I think the main colour of the remote control is  the colour of the L_C_D_ screen . industrial designer: I Because we don't want a lot a devi yeah a device self s g marketing: Yeah , then defines itself . Because  how many percent ? Eighty percent ? user interface: They think it's ugly , right ? marketing: Would spend more money if it looks fancy . industrial designer: Okay , so use  very  lot of peo user interface: Perhaps you can  make adjustable fronts , like with the telephones . industrial designer: Adjust with phones , yes user interface: You can  But I don't think that  industrial designer: Okay . industrial designer: Yeah sea view , yes , Simpson's versions and marketing: Yeah , see through version .  then we have  separate menus for teletext , screen settings , audio settings , and what else ? industrial designer: Yeah . user interface: Otherwise you have all those teletext , perhaps teletext not , industrial designer:  . user interface: but marketing: Or like  you have a menu button , you press project manager: No , we said teletext also a separate menu . user interface: Yeah , but I marketing: Yeah , or otherwise you have a menu button , press menu then you have  main  menu search  all the all the settings . project manager: So we're having a a general menu with the most used functions ,  teletext , screen settings , audio settings , channel settings , and maybe there are options for the remote itself ? Like  large icons or small icons user interface: I don't know . project manager: and I don't know what else , marketing: project manager: but industrial designer: No . marketing: I think b because we don't have a lot of buttons on the one screen , user interface: Or do we have any buttons ? On the remote . marketing: I think the buttons Yeah , but but or like you have user interface: Which one ? marketing: you only have channel button or volume button . Those buttons you can you can project manager: Yeah , but on the L_C_D_ , user interface: But that's also in the L_C_D_ , project manager: huh ? user interface: right ? marketing: Yeah . user interface: So we don't have any normal buttons marketing: Yeah , th user interface: that  marketing: No , no normal buttons , yeah . user interface: Yet on and off is p is perhaps you kno project manager: But we don't need a special industrial designer:  not button marketing: But I don't think project manager: we don't need a special options menu for the remote itself . If you have if you have  industrial designer: Yeah sure , of course you need  a settings button ,  or a settings option for the remote control . But isn't idea to use   what you said ,  normal on and off button for the T_V_ , that you don't have to use a marketing: No no no , because we we discussed that you could charge it , otherwise is it it jumps to stand-by mode automatically . user interface: Yeah but but not for the remote but for the T_V_ , that you use marketing: Yeah , but a T_V_ of course , th that's the I think that's a best thing is that to implement that one in the menu with the volume and channel . user interface: But a not as normal button , in the L_C_D_ , marketing: No . project manager: Well maybe there should be a separate button apart from the L_C_D_ , user interface: yeah . project manager: because you can't turn it on when the L_C_D_ is off . So how do you turn the thing on ? There has to be a on button on the remote , user interface: No you just tap I think . project manager: And then the television is on also , or just the remote ? marketing: No , just the remote . user interface: But marketing: A television don't have to be on , that one you can press on , industrial designer: Yeah , it should be in standby mode , but marketing: yeah stand-by , then press on remote , press on and then T_V_ should be available . I don't know whether it's handy to have a n a normal on button , a r just  rubber  for for T_V_ , marketing: Separate . Otherwise you I don't know whether or not that's industrial designer: A A A normal button on the remote control , user interface: Yeah , yeah . industrial designer: or norm ? user interface: Of or you should put it in the L_C_D_ screen . industrial designer: Yeah , because  when you touch the L_C_D_ screen when it is in standby mode , it should pop on . industrial designer: Wh  why would it be a a need to have a normal button ? user interface: Well I I guess if you use the L_C_D_ screen , you first have to search where is the on button , then you  you you then turn it , and then the T_V_ goes on . But if you have a normal on button on the on the remote , then you do the on , and then you search the channel which you want . marketing: Yeah , but I think the re the remote control , if you press tap the screen , it always should jump to the screen which has the volume button , channel button , and of course of also the on and off button . industrial designer: I think it looks a lot more fancy if you use  if you don't have any buttons on the s on on remote control . project manager: Okay , well that's might be a unique selling point , huh for a remote . project manager: Okay , well I guess we have to industrial designer: Oh , okay marketing: Yeah , if we can afford it . project manager: postpone further discussion to  our next meeting , because we're running out of time . Okay , well user interface: project manager: thank you very much , for now , marketing: user interface: Should we put this back in our rooms , or  ? industrial designer: Yeah , think so


I'm busy writing and busy leading the meeting , but  I've prepared a little presentation once again  or at least an agenda I think  the biggest part of the presentation will be  on your side .  once again I will try to  write some minutes which I just from the previous meeting  placed inside our project folder , which was quite some typing .  today we once again have  three presentations , if I'm right , and after that we will take a decision on the remote control concepts . Okay , well industrial designer: project manager: I'd say let's start with the first presentation . user interface: marketing: industrial designer: Components design ,   first of all  I would like to   accommodate some of those  things I   elaborate some of the things I did . What should be   said about  the components ,  its properties and what kind of materials should we use to  to make  one of those r remote controls .  well first of all I've  d subtracted some of the components that is that are used  are w w  you know from what  the remote control's formed . There's one of the because when you use a remote control a lot of people  will  will  drop their remote control marketing: Drop it .  titanium  you have to paint it and with that  it's possible to scratch it or  yeah make it ugly .  rubber  the total  piece of rubber that's sor  that's that's used  to make the case is  the same colour , so if you scratch it it's still the same colour , perhaps  it's a little bit damaged . I think it's  it's best to draw oh user interface: It's a colour . user interface: industrial designer: So you get  it doesn't lay flat down on the table , but it's c it's stands . industrial designer: Side view yes it's side view so  I I'm not technically good at th three D_ modelling , user interface: industrial designer: but . marketing: industrial designer:   it's just an idea I had so it's  it's very  so its also looks nice when it's on the table .  I thought about  the L_C_D_ touch screen , which is  is easy to clean too . One of the great  advantages of the L_C_D_ screen you just use some or  another  cleaning   cl some cleaning stuff . Well I already  s  explained some properties of that material and I think  well we also we almost concluded about that  this should  be  our  button component .  the batteries ,  we also thought about that already ,  will be chargeable with   an option for a mount station so you can  put the  the remote control in a mount station so its charges itself up instead of  plugging it in or something like that . industrial designer: And they should be long lasting , not  not be empty  in about  two minutes or  thirty minutes or forty minutes of use . And next step is the chip  th the component that's  makes or transmits the signal to the television .  there was an option to use s a rather simple chip but I think  because  of our  highly  requiring  requirements , there should be an advanced chip in it user interface: industrial designer: with  also the ability to  facilitate speaker speech recognition  which unfortunately is still in a test phase , so  there should be some more  investigation on that side .  my personal preferences  I also overheard in the last meeting that there shou we should use  our own business colours . user interface: project manager: Well , business colours I thought it was the the slogan and  the corporate image , so yeah , it needs colour , industrial designer: Okay they should be m sh they should be in mind , project manager: but I don't think you have to make the entire thing in the corporate colour . industrial designer: wasn't it ? Okay so it d it doesn't says  to  have the slogan ? project manager: It must be recognisable .  so they are pretty boring , I suggest , because just the availability with rubber to make fantastic colours  and also in a lot of possible colours , so it's possible to make very  fancy  remote controls which peopl  who people in which people will find they're  interesting .  s as I said  before rubber is  is impossible to damage severely imp instead of  of course you can break it when you you when you break it in s for example with a pair of scissors or something like that , but i if you drop it it's not  broken  right away s instead of using  plastic , hard plastic or  titanium . user interface: industrial designer: user interface: Alright so industrial designer: user interface: I thought a little bit about the interface . And   we  determined that will not be no buttons , but only an L_C_D_ screen , so I had to  look on that . And so that it you say  good morning ,  coffee maker , and it says t says to you back good morning Joe or what's your name . user interface: This  and there's an easy way to  program that  you say record into the device into the speaker and then you say the question and three seconds later you say the answer and then when you say the question it gives you the answer . industrial designer: user interface: And then I have to go out of the presentation because I tried to make some kind of a a idea of how it should look like industrial designer: Oh my God . I don't know if there is an icon for the program , but industrial designer: Not just a P_ . user interface: and then the buttons above and  below marketing: user interface: the and the and the mute button also recognisable as an icon . marketing: Where's where's the button for two ? user interface: I forgot that one . industrial designer: user interface: And  and  the numbers , that should be a bit larger I think it's not really on scale and and so forth . And I thought the the button for teletext apar  apart because it's not really options , I think . It's  options is the settings of the remote and of the T_V_ and that kind of  thing . Perhaps we could be more curvy the remote perhaps should , so that it's better in your hand or something  . industrial designer: Oh okay , user interface: But  and and  a microph microphone for the speech  recognition if we want to implement that . user interface:  and then  if you press the op options button , now we have an example of and then you should get the other options with what what you could do and that you could do with something like this this . user interface: And  it's also  I thought think we discussed  earlier that  older people don't really want to use  these extra settings . And older people a also don't really want to use this  th this kind of option menus . So they want to u use one button and then something happens , and not choose with  this kind of  And you could put in a an a really s little scrolling device on the side of your  remote , project manager: user interface: industrial designer: marketing: Okay , I'm going to tell you something about a trend watching . The trends from the past years , what the people like , what the youngsters like , what the elderly people liked about shapes , colours , material and stuff . The method I used was Like I told I watched the trends from the past years about colours , shapes , material they wanted  from elderly and young people . The second important thing that w should be if inv in innov innovative , okay , like the L_C_D_ screen that's quite innovative so that should be great meeting for this . I think with only one menu , four button , channel , volume , it should also be enough for easy to use . The personal preferences for the young people , they liked fruity colours like  banana yellow ,  strawberry red and stuff . industrial designer: marketing: Th Elderly people like au colours which y are being seen in autumn like  woods  dark brown , red , deep reds and stuff . This is a bit like the young peoples like the fruity colours , innovative , all the colours you see , the blue , the red , the white , the yellow , that stuff . And then I th I I personally thought the front side of the shape should be something for the youngsters like like project manager: Oh y marketing: this or something . Because we decided to have two kind of remotes , two designs , or was it two colours ? user interface: It was one remote , I think , marketing: Different colours , yeah . I think like my colleague , you said , is that's e better , or for the elderly people something like like the iPod or something , with round squares . marketing: That is my Yeah , like the older o older colours I can maybe user interface: You could you could  change the colours , that was also the idea . marketing: Colours th the elderly people project manager: Yeah , I guess changing colours will be easier than changing  user interface: Yeah . industrial designer: Yeah , s project manager: industrial designer: round corners , but s but square , yeah . project manager: user interface:  i i if you do it   square , with round corners but a little  in the middle of it  i Do you know what  ? industrial designer: Yeah I know what you mean , kind of like a . But that's  industrial designer: It's also easy to to have to to put in your hand . user interface: Yeah but that's also how other remotes are shaped , so that's  But perhaps that's a good thing , industrial designer: Yeah . industrial designer: Yeah , kinda like old cars ,  marketing: And a bit bit old school style renaissance , medieval kind of things . project manager: marketing: So Sorry ? user interface: That's easy to do with the colours , I think . In material yeah rubber , rubber is , like I said , young people like more soft materials and spongy ones industrial designer: marketing: and the old people like plain wood . marketing: So we have to decide if we're going to use real hard rubber , or soft rubber . user interface: I don't think you should be able to mould it , marketing: Or user interface: but industrial designer: It should shouldn't be . user interface:  did you have something about  marketing: Are you going to invite Sponge Bob , maybe he can industrial designer: Yeah . user interface: Then you can fit the L_C_D_ screen in it , marketing: user interface: and can decide  . industrial designer:  I also s  can't help but notice that you  used an you had a remote control user interface: industrial designer: and the L_C_D_ screen was  rather small . marketing: Yeah user interface: Yeah marketing: w I think that L_C_D_ screen should be like user interface: it it's supposed to be bit s bit s bit industrial designer: .. marketing: Yeah the buttons won't get that small when the L_C_D_ screen is industrial designer:  new , blank . So  when you get this  user interface: marketing: user interface: Ooh industrial designer:  kinda like this . industrial designer: Larger ? Because you want to put your hands user interface: But if you pu marketing: Yeah user interface: Now you can put your hand there and then you won't touch the screen . industrial designer: You want marketing: becau because you have user interface: Perhaps that's best . industrial designer: Because when you put your f Yeah but if yo if you make the the L_C_D_ screen as large as the remote control itself ,  you'll you'll always get some user interface: You always touch it , industrial designer: You user interface: yeah . marketing: But it won't get that small because you have how much ? Nine ten eleven twelve thirteen fourteen fifteen buttons on the screen . marketing: One to zero , the two digit , industrial designer: Yeah you don't want it too small . How yeah how large marketing: You have to you have to Because some fat people with d thick fingers will press three buttons at same time . But if you wanna make it in international , Japanese  people got  rather small hands marketing: Yeah true , industrial designer: and we got these large marketing: but Yeah , we have we have the zoom option , right ? industrial designer: Zoom opt Ah yeah of course , yeah . user interface: Y you could include a pen industrial designer: You don't want  marketing: Yeah . industrial designer: Because if you lose the pen  if you lose the pen  you can't use marketing: Use a pen You you c you can lose the pen . project manager: Yeah but I think people want to use a remote with with their fingers because th they're used to that marketing: Yeah the fingers , yeah . project manager: and industrial designer: user interface: Yeah I think this  this is a good size for the screen . I don't know how how large the actual remote should be but a little bit like this , or something . project manager: And maybe we have to add a tissue to remove the grease from all the fingers , huh . Yeah , project manager: Okay well marketing: you can buy those at project manager: maybe , if I can interrupt you , maybe I should  should show some points on which we  should take a decision . How how should we  supply the thing with energy and how are we going to do it with separate docking station and then put in it . marketing: Maybe it's better to to include rechargeable batteries project manager: We already decided that on the previous meeting . marketing: So if the badg the batteries are dead industrial designer: I kinda like your marketing: then you can re you can  change them . user interface: not not like two or two  marketing: Yeah , normal plain you No normal plain batteries you can buy at the supermarket or retail shop .  what was with the chip on print ? industrial designer: The chip on print ?   you gotta f Yeah . Didn't we ? project manager: Yeah but how did this how does that with a L_C_D_ screen ? You still have a print plate . industrial designer: Beg your pardon ? marketing: You always have a print plate , project manager: user interface: marketing: project manager: It just was in there industrial designer: Well  project manager: and I didn't have any information about it , industrial designer: chip on print , I think what they mean  with the regular rubber buttons that you got ,  it's always clear for the remote control when you press  a certain button . industrial designer: But when you got a L_C_D_ screen , with no  with not the buttons are not always on the same place , marketing: Yeah , okay . But industrial designer: for example if you enlarge a button , or if you got several options  appearing on your screen ,  the co-ordinations aren't always the same . industrial designer: When you got a regular button , th the button of stand-by is always on the same place and you got on the and on the marketing: Yeah okay , but the p print plate of L_ L_C_D_ screen is more advanced than a normal print plate , industrial designer: Yeah . marketing: I don't I dunno I don't think that's industrial designer: It is a simple C_P_U_ but it doesn't marketing: Yeah yeah okay but I d I I don't know if nor o s it's quite a simple L_C_D_ . industrial designer: Yeah because it has to  b marketing: Yeah , it's quite a simple L_C_D_ screen . industrial designer: Yeah but it the the remote control has to know whether you're in a settings menu or just  you just want to turn up the volume . industrial designer: So it has to have some kind of a calculation unit or C_P_U_ user interface: industrial designer: to know  in which state you are and  which button you are pressing in at the right moment . user interface: industrial designer: And a touch screen makes it  possible to  to get the co-ordination of your finger on the screen . industrial designer: And the case , yeah we already discussed the case , user interface: It's rubber . industrial designer: we wanted to make it from rubber user interface: Yeah but but a hard rubber like this ? industrial designer: and  user interface: Or softer rubber or industrial designer:  hard rubber I think . user interface: Yeah yeah this in different colours ? industrial designer: D marketing: So the shapes is something between the square shapes with round colo corners and a round shapes ? No I don't think , I think it's more round than square . marketing: Lower than forty years , I think industrial designer: Well and how about my idea  of making it  with one single curve ? marketing: it was . industrial designer: So i marketing: Oh yeah that that I think I thought that was a quite good user interface: Yeah . industrial designer: Because it's a gadget and you want to show it off , of course . project manager: So industrial designer: Because it marketing: You can put it on your table with the L_C_D_ screen , industrial designer: Yeah . marketing: you don't have to put it get it in your hand , you can put it next to you industrial designer: Yeah . industrial designer: So , so marketing: So project manager: Okay so industrial designer: you got  user interface: And then industrial designer: Did you write that down ?  got a single curved  rubber f  fancy coloured remote control . user interface: marketing: You can't you You can't oh , you c you can draw it on your paper and then load it on the industrial designer: Yeah . user interface: It's pretty easy but And marketing: And load it on the the user the server . project manager: What about the user interface , there are also some some questions  about the concepts I think you have some ideas on that . At least  what we should also have on , I just remembered ,  a menu to go back through the first  if if you touch options , you can't go back to this  right away now . user interface: This marketing: Isn't it better to have the sound and the general buttons horizontal ? user interface: I don't know . user interface: I think it's marketing: I think it's easier than user interface: I don't know . user interface: Would you like the the buttons horizontal or v vertical ? marketing: For sound and channel . If you make it  in a rectangle user interface: Right well if we make it like this , I think if you marketing: Yeah . industrial designer: I so it's it's it's it's user interface: put it like this industrial designer: Square . marketing: I think it's it's easier to have it something like Oh a button  minus here , plus over here . marketing: The options and then you have something like  the P_ over here , user interface: But I think I wou industrial designer: marketing: and the sound . user interface: but I think when you are holding it , you could press the minus and the plus and with the other finger the minus and the plus . marketing: Yeah I think you're going to s you're going to use it with one thumb . industrial designer: W user interface: I don't know industrial designer: We'll leave that to the usability engineering then . user interface: But I'm going to look if I've got some examples industrial designer: user interface: 'cause perhaps you should choose what's most often used . Volume selection four times an hour user interface: Yeah but But  if it's usually plus or min above each other or next to each other on a normal remote . So not how much n not how often it's used , but marketing:  user interface: W what's what's usual or normal . industrial designer: user interface: I think it's it's a marketing: I think because I have two televisions at home . user interface: I think the the the volume was usually  above each other , because you go higher and down . user interface: And the the pay the the the program is next to each other , because you would go further and back . industrial designer: user interface: That's how it's is usually when I look here marketing: True . project manager: Yeah well I think we have we don't have to decide about that now how where we will put the buttons user interface: I don't know . user interface: This concept is in the actual design , but you should know where you would place a industrial designer: Okay , well le Yeah . user interface: And the speech  shall we implement that ? Or  project manager: Yeah well we just heard about the new  technology , huh ? industrial designer: Technologies ,  . marketing: Yeah I think it's it's easy for that , where are you , but then it says I'm here . user interface: You could if you do it like this you could put it in a corner or something . industrial designer: because a lotta you can make a very sensitive microphone , so it makes it possible to  just put it arou  underneath it or on the on the bottom of the  remote . project manager: Yeah maybe at the bottom where you can can hel hold it with you hand that there's also a microphone  user interface: Yeah . industrial designer: But that's not import I think that's not im very important project manager: Yeah , yeah . industrial designer: Ah okay , sure , okay , user interface: Right ? industrial designer: well tha marketing:  I think where it isn't seen industrial designer: Underneath ? Indeed . project manager: maybe just in the the spot you just pointed out marketing: I i between the round of the R_ . project manager: because I think it should be in a in an important position where people can see it , marketing: Yeah . project manager: because it is the the unique  idea of our remote , huh , the the speech control . project manager: Well maybe where the one hand industrial designer: Yeah but it doesn't makes it  any more fancy because you get to see  user interface: Yeah actually it does because it you can you can find it better if you use it . project manager: But are we talking about the button , or about the microphone ? user interface: About a microphone , project manager: Yeah because a microphone is very small thing , user interface: there is no button . project manager: but you can make it look like it's big so as its its really an important function of the remote . Yeah , well we already s discussed that , huh , the the L_C_D_ industrial designer: The L_C_D_ yeah , project manager: and user interface: Yeah . industrial designer:  supplements well the supplement is to marketing: I think I thought the , like you said , like scroll next to the remote isn't that handy . marketing: I think it's better to just up what you'd like to do on the screen . If you want to go back you have to back button go back , industrial designer: user interface: Yeah . marketing: if you want to choose audio settings you press audio settings and it goes to that s sub-menu . user interface: Or at least Yeah I don't know if it's really the scroll , but the menu they like most , and I think you can never get through a menu great with a scroll  industrial designer: Fast , yeah . So if you've got a settings , if you marketing: Yeah I think it is is faster . Becau I think the scroll's easier if you have a lot of options , industrial designer: Yes . marketing: but if you don't have a lot of option then user interface: But you have it's f  industrial designer: You have a lot of options , user interface: we have five or four or something . industrial designer: because when you use Yeah you get w when you use  the settings menu for example to look up some   some channels on your  on your television , you should scroll scroll down  on a menu which probably does not fit on your screen . project manager: And I think I would it would make even more fancy because you have another interesting thing on the side industrial designer: Yeah , yeah . No , colours are clear , project manager: Everybody think they can can marketing: shape is clear , material is clear . industrial designer: Okay , what's the standard colour ? project manager: work for that ? marketing: And a standard , project manager: Is there a standard colour ? marketing: yeah we don't industrial designer: I I marketing: no we have different colour . industrial designer: You got you got different colours , marketing: How many colours are we going to user interface: You should you should have a black one industrial designer: but you should have a standard colour . industrial designer: Black ? With the with the yellow  user interface: But if you want to be different , then  marketing: Dark grey , something like this this colour or something . project manager: silver is new but also traditional , so  marketing: I think we have silver , black and between those is like I dunno s five colours between them or something . project manager: Yeah w what about a yellow thing ,  it industrial designer: Yeah y I think it's better to marketing: Yeah yeah yeah it'll be a banana yellow , we have . project manager: Yeah I would think about colours like  red , yellow , green , blue , industrial designer: Yeah . project manager: just marketing: The fruity colours and the autumn colours , like red and brown , dark red and brown . project manager: Okay , so user interface: And and do we have to have a normal black one , or  project manager: Who's pinging ? user interface: Is it project manager: You are pingin marketing: No . project manager: Okay , so  that wraps it up ? Everybody knows  what to do ? user interface: Yeah . user interface: Well I don't know what to do , industrial designer: Well not what to do . project manager: and especially notice that  the Industrial Designer and the User Interface Designer are going to work together on a prototype drawing on a smart board , user interface: Ooh . marketing: S project manager: and of course to all four of us  specific instructions will be emailed by our personal coach . user interface: But do we have to We'll work together , but do we have to stay here , or do we project manager: Well I I'd say just wait  for email and  find out