Anyway , it's the meeting's gonna follow more or less the same structure as last time , so we'll go round each of you in turn and you can give your presentations on what you've been up to .  and at the end of that we need to discuss what you've come up with , so that we can make a decision on the key remote control concepts , so that's we need to know about the components' properties , materials , the user interface and any trends that the Marketing Expert has been watching . industrial designer: so I haven't made a PowerPoint presentation , project manager: You haven't made a PowerPoint , okay . marketing: industrial designer: okay , so basically I'll start off by  I thought I'll use the whiteboard because we have so many different options and what we can do is that we can start   rubbing off the options that we do not require and putting in the options that  are m or highlighting or underlining them or something like that . industrial designer: Okay , so  I'll start again with a brief introduction to connect that anyway brief introduction to the insides of a remote control project manager: Yeah . Okay , so w what you see here is so this is the outside of the remote , right ? If you open it , you have a circuit board here , right , project manager: This basically sends information to a tr  transistor here , which then  sends the information to an L_E_D_ device here . If you flip the printed circuit board , and this is th the most important point here , project manager: industrial designer:  everything else is kind of Okay , so if you flip the circuit board , this is what it looks like . So you see for example a particular button attaches to a particular place on the P_C_B_ and  project manager: Yeah . industrial designer: on pressing this button I a circuit completes , the information goes to the chip , which is somewhere here and the chip that tra then translates the code into an infra infrared radiation , which goes goes out through there . So  the important point that I read over the website was  that the configurations of these printed circuit circuit boards  are quite cheap to make , you can ge get them printed as you want to , project manager: industrial designer: so w we can have a configuration  irrespective of the cost , the way we want to have . industrial designer: So they can be simple which is like  the normal batteries in  our  the cells , yeah ? project manager: Yeah . industrial designer:  thes these are the kind different kind of batteries that the company makes , right ? So . industrial designer: So  I don't know if even if you want to consider this , user interface: industrial designer: but these are the different things that the company makes , so th they'll they'll project manager: Okay . industrial designer: since  they'll come internally from the company , they'll be eas  cheaper ,  all these options . marketing: You could make the hand dynamo into an exercise bike , and then people could exercise whilst watching T_V_ . project manager: And charging their remote , marketing: Yeah , and stop worrying about the whole R_S_I_ from the remote thing , 'cause that's just project manager: yeah . project manager: user interface: So what was what was this k ka industrial designer: The the kinetic energy one is  that e   they are usually modern watches , since our hand keeps moving , it keeps the watch ticking . industrial designer: But I dunno i if it is a good idea for a remote control , because it'll just lie there for a long while sometimes . industrial designer: But as soon as you pick it up it moves and then again it  re recharges or something . Okay  so I'll list things and then we can come back and discuss what what we think from  everybody's perspective . They can be basically the shape of the cases , they can be flat , they can be curved with  one-sided curved and one side flat , project manager: industrial designer: These are the three options , right ?  user interface:  you mean this would be like the the overall shape of the remote control , yeah , industrial designer: Yeah , would it be flat on both the sides , would be curved from one side , or whatever user interface: industrial designer:  there were different kind of supplements available ,  like it can be in plastic , rubber , wood , or titanium , right ? project manager: industrial designer: so  we can use even  a certain titanium is also used  in the company to make   some space design equipment , so it's kind of   it'll be probably nicer to use , because it relates to the overall image of the company , but  it cannot be used on a double curved surface . So we can have push-buttons , like most remotes do and our company is an expert in making push-buttons . industrial designer: So , and they have they can even have an an integrated  push-button inside the scrolling thing . So this is something that has been recently developed by the company ,  in the last decade , so not too recent . industrial designer: The various electronic options are   so th this concerns firs first of all the the chips I I showed you at  so there's there's a chip behind this one , right ? The P_C_B_ is  inexpensive , so we can put put in  whatever we want , but the various integrated circuit options are , we have either a simple one project manager: industrial designer:  okay , so the good thing about  wh wh why why we would want to use advanced u why we might want to use advanced is that L_C_D_s can only come with the advanced chip .  besides this in electr under electronics  also the company has started making a sample sender , which is did not explained what i what it was , but I'm guessing that  so they have a sample sender and a sample speaker . So I'm guessing that  the sample speaker is probably something like   you know , as soon as you press a button , it it   give gives you feedback , one five or whatever . industrial designer:  and  I dunno whether sample sender sender has to do something with voice recognition or not , but anyway . Okay , so th that's that's basically now now  I think that  we can integrate   you know ,  the user interface  and  the marketing things in that , keep  taking out things from this and  underlining things that are important , yeah . project manager: What are you , PowerPoint , or user interface:  I have some PowerPoint , yeah . marketing: project manager: Do you think these pens can give you cancer of the hand ? user interface: 'Kay . project manager: Some sort of radiation ? industrial designer: marketing: No it's got its little camera in there , plug it in .  to be honest actually , I mentioned some some of the things which which could fit on the on the this talk  this time , I m I mentioned them already in the previous talk . user interface: So  yeah , this time  I might not have them on the slides but I I can just mention them aw again . So  I thought  I would also include the definition of user interface  so it's the aspects of a of of a computer system or programme which can be seen  by the user  and and which  the mechanisms that the user uses to control its operation and input data . So this would p includes things like shape and size and buttons and  voice recognition as well , and colour , and so on . user interface:   the method I employed this time was a again having a look to related products and mainly on the internet and then  analyse them  from the point of view of user fen friendliness and also  whether their appearance was was pleasant . So in in the case of many user interfaces , they're just so full of buttons that it's actually  hard to find the ones you you really  want to use and  and it's just confusing , it takes y know time to learn . project manager: user interface:  well the picture is not very clear , but as you can see , there are actu oi , oh oh oh , project manager: user interface: sorry for that . Actually of the of all these I personally p prefer this one , because it's it's the smallest and and with with least  with the smallest number of buttons as well . Okay , there is a we can  include voice recognition and  it allows i it's possible to record eighty different voice samples on it . And  our own manufacturing division ha has  designed a new   programmable speech   sorry  speaker unit I guess it's it should be . user interface:  and this means that  once   it it it comes together with a voice recognition , but it's once once the   gadget  recognises  the voice of the speaker , there can be a  pre-programmed answer , for example , you can pick up the remote control and say something to it like hello and it says some hello and your name or whatever . user interface: So  this is also one of the n dev new developments which we might consider if we wanted to include . industrial designer:  sorry ,  can you go back for a second ?   are you sure wha what this means , a spinning wheel with the L_C_ display ?  oh yeah are th project manager: It's like the like you said , no ? The scroll scroll wheel . marketing: Yeah , you can't user interface: No no , the scroll button is a different thing . I wasn't completely sure myself , but I think it's just like  it's it's a wheel , it's like not separate buttons . user interface: But I'm I'm not really sure whether whether you can really turn it round , marketing: G yeah , no , you can . user interface: it's like you press this or this or industrial designer:  it's the iPod  kind of  marketing: It's like it's like where you you know how you have your your mouse , and y you go round and i it's kind of like that and you spin round project manager: -huh . marketing: I like the the wheels that click on the side you you get 'em much slower , project manager: marketing: Do you know , if you're lookin if you're th scrolling through the A_ to Z_ of your music and you're looking for something at T_ , then it's a lot faster than the wheel , project manager: Okay , we decided to include voice recognition , so to have the standard  major buttons like on , off ,  ch the channels and and then  volume and then the rest would be a menu on the screen .  and I I also thought  if we want to keep it small and nice  and actually I I quite like the idea of a scroll a scrolling button , I thought it could be for for voice like , I dunno , it  like on a  i like it used to be on Walkmans or something . There is  I think there is no reason why we couldn't use something like this for for the remote control . marketing: Okay , I've put the copy of the presentation in  the project manager: The project documents .  so what I did was to search the internet to come up with market trends and you know what users are gonna be wanting in the the near future . Now , the first aspect is apparently twice as important as the second aspect , which is twice as important as the third a aspect . marketing: you know , people want something new , something technologically innovative and different , so the whole idea with the L_C_D_s and the spinning and the colours and the voice recognition is quite like , quite the thing to go for . industrial designer: So   maybe  as you're discussing things , is it okay if we just  keep highlighting things here ? marketing: So project manager: Yeah , yeah , sure . So   so it project manager: That's over on the interface , industrial designer: yeah , project manager: if if you could put industrial designer: so probably voice recognition is is kind of important , right ? project manager: Yeah . industrial designer:  and an project manager: And maybe the L_C_D_ and spinning industrial designer: yeah . Okay , I I have a point about L_C_D_ , project manager: so that means we need an advanced thing . W  L_C_D_s are basically for feedback , right , to the user who's pressing buttons , project manager: industrial designer: and the feedback can come through television itself , so do we need an L_C_D_ on the remote ? marketing: Depends how fast your television runs , really , don't don't you think ?  we've got one of those  Telewest boxes industrial designer:  . marketing: and you put the number in the remote and then you wait and then it goes to the T_V_ and then you wait , and then it comes , so i it actually takes quite a long time . And if you get the number in wrong , then it's a bit of a pain , project manager:  . marketing: so I think , you know , a screen on the remote would probably cut down your time on that . project manager: It it is also quite nice though to to have something here so you don't interrupt the picture on the screen , marketing: You know ? Yeah . project manager: so if you're watching something industrial designer: That's true , yeah , that's also marketing: And i it would be like  if you could make it integrate with the T_V_ then it could come up with new information about what's on , and you could just see that on the remote rather than project manager: Yeah . marketing: But  I think maybe a way to do it would be a similar way to how you have your mobile phone , you know , like you have the slidey ones and you have the flippy ones and then the screen's protected so it doesn't actually get scratched . marketing: So you can have like what looks like a normal remote control , you know or like a minimalist remote control . marketing: So you got your buttons one to nine , your on and off and your volume on that industrial designer:  right . marketing: and then if you want to mess about with it , you flip it open and , project manager: And then you can flip it open . industrial designer: So now we seem to have a consensus that L_C_D_s are definitely the way to go because of style and project manager: Yeah , I think so . marketing: But that would be a good way to to get in the whole  R_S_I_ issue in there , industrial designer: Right . marketing: because  if you think most people use the remote control with their right hand ha right hands project manager: marketing: so you wanna you curve it so that it's suitable for use with the right hand .  project manager: Something a bit squishy and marketing: Yeah , industrial designer: Yeah , we we have marketing: but  y you have to user interface: So it could be like a rubbery industrial designer: we have rubber , user interface: yeah , -huh . industrial designer: but there is a problem that I forgot to discuss with the  with using marketing: Well I suppose you wouldn't get a remote  an electric shock off your remote control if it was made of rubber . project manager: Yeah , and it'd help if you drop it , it protects it as well . industrial designer: So if if we use  latex cases , they won't allow us to use solar cells , as an energy source that is the constraint , project manager: -huh . industrial designer: so  we could use titanium , wood or plastic  or  project manager: Or if we want to use the the latex , then we have to go with one of the other  power things . marketing: If it's made of rubber you could get the kinetic energy fairly easily there , project manager: From from bouncing it . industrial designer: Or or curved at one end and flat on the top , because I I'm not sure if it is flat on both both the sides , then ho how much easy would it be to reach for buttons , etcetera . marketing: It it depends on the whole ergonomics of it , you know , it's like how you put your hands so y it's the least movement basically . Yeah , singe single side curved or double side curved does not say too much , does it ? project manager: -huh . industrial designer: It  marketing: No , I d I don't think it makes a lot of difference . I I have one of those s slidey phones and  the back is essentially straight , project manager:  . industrial designer:  I think  project manager: Yeah , 'cause the marketing: Besides , you have four sides to a thing , so  does curved one side mean one side is straight project manager: Yeah . marketing: and , you know curved two sides means the whole thing is just a big curvy p thing ? industrial designer: Right . industrial designer: because  according to the information that I have , I think  the onl only options that we have with the case is are these three . industrial designer: It does not say anything about  whether technically , you know , this this stuff is available at all .  it's it's more about the protecting the L_C_D_ , which I think is where it came from . marketing: But no , my research didn't tell me anything , which is why we have all the pictures , industrial designer: marketing: 'cause I had nothing better to do with my time . project manager: Anything else ? What've we got ? marketing:  combine style with a level of functionality ,  beauty and practicality and a thing of beauty and p function . marketing: Okay ? user interface: Thanks project manager: Looking at what we've got , we we want an L_C_D_ display with a spinning wheel . Let's let's try to r rub off things and project manager: Yeah , rub off some of those . industrial designer: yeah , so  user interface: industrial designer: hand dynamos are definitely out , right ? You you got a wind dynamo , yeah . project manager: it's not that's not streamlined and sexy , having a having a wind up .  kinetic energy does seem to have some kind of   appeal , project manager: I think tha industrial designer: but  it's marketing: It's about the practicality of it really , isn't it ? You know ? industrial designer: Yeah . As against a watch , which constantly keeps moving , marketing:  if industrial designer: this this thing will have to be tapped every time , which which might be very frustrating for the user . industrial designer: Kinetic energy it needs I don't have too much technical information on that , project manager: Pr presumably if they're suggesting it , then we could use it . Okay , let's keep it option  keep an option , project manager: I'd I'd keep it on .  the flat co completely flat case is definitely out , right ? It has to be at least curved from one side , yeah . project manager: We don't want that user interface: Yeah project manager: it's no it's not not vegetable . Wood , do you think wood will be a good idea ? project manager: user interface: N wood is I can't n how do you   you can't keep it really small  industrial designer:  . Because you need to you n you need to put all the technology in , so  if the case you add the case and it it becomes a bit bulky industrial designer: Yeah if if it is really thin if it is really thin it it's likely to break , user interface: wi - yeah . project manager: Yeah , and given that we're we're looking at more spongy material preferences , I ha would think maybe rubber or plastic is more user interface: Yeah . marketing: It's it's not a practical  it's it's alright for a table , but for a remote control , you know . industrial designer: Right , so  the the push-buttons is is our expertise  in the industry , project manager: Yeah . industrial designer: but  it seems to be out of trend , you know , nobody seems to be marketing: You have to have some push-buttons , don't you ? user interface: Yeah , but you  I think for for the channel numb  channel numbers you still need them , wouldn't you ? project manager: user interface: Yeah , so for channel numbers but industrial designer: Oh , if if we have L_C_D_ displays , that opens up a whole world , you know , if you have an L_C_D_ display , then  you can select almost everything on the L_C_D_ display . user interface: But I th yeah but I think the L_C_D_ display is kind of yeah , it's faster project manager: Just for fast user interface: with a m yeah and w if we dis and when we s  discussed that we might like this flipping open thing , then  y you can use it as a normal remote control , marketing: industrial designer: Right . user interface: but if you do want to use L_C_D_ , then you flip it open , marketing: user interface: but it's it it's more time-consuming . marketing: I think this is going back to the the graph at the beginning that I made , where , you know , the buttons that people use all the time , you want buttons for them and everything else menu-driven . Do you do we enumerate everything from zero to nine ? Or do we have just  channel plus , channel minus , just to just to scroll ? user interface: No , no ,   we we definitely need the the numbers , industrial designer: The numbers . project manager: Do we need them on as buttons or do we need them as L_C_D_ ? industrial designer: Or on the L_C_D_ we can , you know marketing: G yeah , user interface: Yeah , I would say buttons , marketing: I would think buttons , yeah . marketing: It's it's the industrial designer: So  marketing: I think the thing is , so if someone just wants to turn on their T_V_ and put on a channel , then it should be easier to use than any other remote , user interface: I project manager:  . marketing: and then if someone wants to , you know , change the contrast on their T_V_ and they should be able to do that and it should be accessible , industrial designer: Alright . marketing:  there's a limit to how much the biggest techno geek can spend fiddling with the T_V_ , I think is the the the issue there . industrial designer: Okay , so buttons definitely in but oh shall we  try to draw a prec  project manager: I think that's what you guys are gonna do next , industrial designer:  okay . industrial designer: Right , so  what about the the scrolling  ? user interface: Yeah but n I I'm not completely  completely clear  I yeah , about the spinning wheel . So I think it it doesn't make sense to have both like a scrolling and spinning thing , marketing: E either or user interface: it's  you can al include everything in the spinning if you marketing: G yeah . user interface: yeah , yeah , marketing: I would say the s the s the spinning goes at a high speed to th to the scrolling wheel , user interface: in that case . marketing: so you have to decide whether you you know , you want to be going so fast or not . But  the the thing with this whole if y you're planning on making it out of rubber , on the basis that it's spongy , then I'm not sure how well a scrolling wheel would work . industrial designer:   project manager: But if you've got a if if you've got a flipped thing , effectively it's something that's curved on one side and flat on the other side , but you folded it in half . user interface: Ah , but  you can marketing: Yeah , but y your spinning wheel tends to go to one side . industrial designer: I'm not sure it'll be a good idea to construct the whole thing out of rubber .  i it project manager: No , I think it's just the casing rubber on the outside . user interface: Yeah , I  I think so too ,  the case would be marketing: You want an outside of rubber user interface: yeah the case would be rubber and the the buttons , marketing: and then open it up and industrial designer: Or or at the corners , edges , just the edges covered by rubber or something like that . marketing: 'Cause I know like we're going back to iPods again n the whole spinning wheel , but I have like a you know , obviously my iPod's not made of rubber , but then I have a little rubber case that goes over the top of it industrial designer: Right , right . industrial designer: Right , project manager: user interface: industrial designer: okay , so so that gives us a more trendy look as well . Yeah , and  we're going more for the trends than for the usability anyway , right ? project manager: And  colours can be provided with the case rather than  but we still need to te think about the colour of our remote as such , you know , just keep it black , or project manager: user interface: Yeah I think we  it was a a requirement that we use our  th the colours of our company , so would it be like yellow , grey and black or something , or marketing: That doesn't fit in with the whole vegetable theme though . marketing: Yeah , but  do you think we could incorporate the colours of the company into the buttons and then make the colour of the main remote the colour like vegetable colours , do you know ? So you could have like project manager: marketing:  I suppose vegetable colours would be orange and green and some reds and  maybe purple project manager: Green . marketing: and that and then you'd pick the buttons in company colours to to match with it .  since we're having L_C_D_s there there's no way that we're will be able to project manager: We need the advanced yeah . industrial designer:  what we do need to consider , however , is that the price is going up for the ever every such thing that we are considering , but since L_C_D_s seems to be  a definite yes , project manager: Yeah . marketing: So are we discounting solar energy because rubber's gonna be used in there somewhere or project manager: That was the industrial designer: Oh is oh the constraint was  marketing: If project manager: We can't have solar panels with rubber , so . project manager: Shall we go for if we're going for rubber , we think  on as our case , and then user interface: industrial designer: we'll have   using the simple battery will be a safer option as compared to the kinetic energy one , a although it does seem  interesting .  okay , so r we understand this better now that  the the speaker is for the feedback , right ? It it says  the things that you type in or something like that , so project manager: I think if we can if we can include them at not too much extra cost , then I'd put them in , industrial designer: Ye yeah , we we don't have too much information about it ,  project manager: but if it's Yeah . user interface: Yeah , but it it I think it should be quite cheap because it's from our own company , yeah . project manager: It's from the company , so industrial designer: Yeah , okay , so so th this is in as well then , the sample speaker . And the case is curved on one side , but then flat flat , so it's flipped into each other . project manager: Can I pull the thing out the back of your computer ? marketing: Yeah , sure j project manager: Just so we can marketing: Sorry , do you want me to project manager: Nothing , it's right , I'm just There we go . marketing: What does  I_C_S_ mean ? industrial designer: I_C_s ?  integrated circuits . industrial designer:   we we're definitely going in for voice recognition as well as L_C_D_s ,  . So we've basically worked out that we're going with a simple battery , the advanced chip industrial designer: Right . project manager: and a curved on one side case which is folded in on itself ,  made out of rubber industrial designer: Yep . We're having push-buttons on the outside and then on the inside an L_C_D_ with spinning wheel , and we're incorporating voice recognition . That's our overall concept , user interface:  project manager: and it's gonna look sort of vegetable , marketing: user interface: industrial designer: project manager: and be in bright vegetable colours . So w w would with have the spinning wheel inside with the L_C_D_ , or would it be on the outer marketing: Imagine it would be inside . marketing: so you've got your outside , which is like minimalist , and then you open it up and you've got a screen and a spinning wheel , which you can incorporate buttons into . marketing:  so you've still not got like a lot of stuff in the project manager: marketing: You've maybe got , you know like if you're modelling on iPod you've got five buttons and a wheel , project manager: On the marketing: and four of the buttons are in the wheel , and the other one's the little bit inside the wheel , project manager: In the centre , marketing: yeah . In the meantime , the Industrial Designer over here is gonna work on the look and feel design , industrial designer:  the User Interface Designer will work on the user interface design and the Marketing Expert is going to work on product evaluation . And as well as that , the two designers are going to work together on our prototype following those instructions that we've just come up with using modelling clay and you will get extra instructions from your personal coach . project manager: Is that all okay ? And anyone who hasn't put their their presentation in the project documents folder , it would be good just so in case we have to refer to it . marketing: I've got a bit tangled up in all this user interface: So but shall I move away first or shall I stay here with project manager: I dunno , maybe I would car user interface: we need to {disfmarker}


The what we have to get through in this meeting is firstly the prototype presentation from you two , so you can show us what you've been working on so diligently . project manager:  then industrial designer: project manager: then Cat's going to present the evaluation criteria that we're going to be evaluating this against . user interface: project manager: Then I need to say some st a few things about finance , 'cause we have to check that it's within the finance criteria .  and then we'll be making sure that our product fits both the evaluation criteria from Cat and the financial limits .  and then we  will have a brief evaluation of the whole process of production and design that we've been through . S marketing: And then do we get to make a remote control ? industrial designer: project manager: 'Cause we missed out . project manager: So industrial designer: project manager: it's now I guess that we're supposed to start at fifteen thirty five , so we've got until four fifteen . How how much do we have , forty minutes ? project manager: Is that right ? user interface: Yeah , about four fifteen , yeah . Do you want user interface: So , you said  are are we starting with the the project manager: Yes . user interface: so will you maybe start with like the  the shape and things and and then I will explain the the user interface th  things , like the buttons and the scrolling things and industrial designer: Okay . project manager: user interface: marketing: You think bananas are a safe thing to use ? project manager: industrial designer:  marketing: It's a bit  phallic . project manager: Does it vibrate when you press the buttons ? industrial designer:  so basically it's the it's the flip open thing again . project manager: And it's the whole thing's made of rubber , is that user interface:  yeah . marketing: Is it to scale , or do you think you can make it a bit smaller ? user interface: Yeah , . user interface: yeah , but  one thing we actually kind of  forgot while designing , that one side was supposed to be rounder , industrial designer: Yeah , user interface: so we said the back side round , yeah . marketing: and then the whole shape's curvy , so I would say that this curvy does look quite like a vegetable . project manager: user interface: So so  the user interface as as we discussed last time   on on the on the cover we just have the very basic things . user interface: So we have that n  channels here starting from   one two three there would be numbers in in the on the actual one . user interface: So it's four , up to four , up to seven , up to nine and zero , z zero here . It's it's quite standard  place for it and and also the colour is quite often red , so it's it's kind of user friendly . user interface: And then these ones would be for flipping the channels back and like the previous one and the next one . user interface: And and we would also have a l little  thing saying here , previous and ne prevon prevon next . user interface: On the side , marketing: Ah , you did get that in then , user interface: this one . user interface: And and and it's it's on the back is  cover or back lid , because if you flip it open , you can still do the scrolling here . user interface: See ? So the volume is you just scroll , but then once you flip it open , okay , there there you have the screen project manager: Yeah . user interface: You can move back and forth and then if you need to m choose something on the screen , you just push the cen  the middle button . project manager: Y or you could have it so you on the wheel if you marketing: On the wheel , like if you hold the wheel down then it will mute . industrial designer:  on the L_C_D_ we r you know , the main menu will have various options . user interface: Well , but the but the mute yeah , the scrolling is kind of you have to scroll all the way to make it mute , right ? project manager: But if you hold it in , industrial designer:  . marketing: Yeah , but it's a scroll and click , isn't it ? project manager: if it's a scroll and click so you hold it in ? marketing: Okay , cool . user interface: So I think it project manager: And it's with the the black and yellow you're even in the right colours . user interface: Yeah , I think  we could do l the logo in grey , as it is on the website . industrial designer: project manager: user interface: project manager:  it's a sort of intermediate colour , I guess . project manager: industrial designer: marketing: I hate Play-Do , it's just minging . project manager: I suspect we're gonna have a couple of minor finance issues , but  we'll se I'm sure we can get around them somehow . marketing: industrial designer: project manager: We'll just send all of our manufacturing to some nice poor country industrial designer: project manager: and cut some of the prices that way . marketing: so one is , you know , yes , it totally meets with that requirement and seven is , no , it really doesn't , we need to go back and start again . Basically , what I did was I went through all the like user requirements and things that we've done and we've worked on and like made a list of them .  you know , so that we can evaluate each one and like so it was about going back to the start and saying oh yeah , we did manage to do that , or oh no , we really forgot about that . Is that right ? marketing: Yes , I did have A_ , B_ , C_ , and D_ down here , but it seems to have turned into like just bullet points . But if you can imagine that they say A_ , B_ , C_ , and D_ , then that would be really good . marketing: Well , I thought we'd  kinda said that you'd have a little thing to stick on the T_V_ ? project manager: Yeah , just prepare one now . What do you all say ? industrial designer: So ? project manager: I reckon it user interface: S seven was th the maximum , yeah ? marketing: Yeah . Okay   what I've done on the next page is I've set it up so we just put the marks in . project manager:  we can if we industrial designer: I can I can take note   marketing: If you take a note of them , and then I'll put them in in a minute . marketing: Okay , so we're all agreeing on seven for A_ ? project manager: Yeah . Does it match the operating behaviour of the user ? industrial designer:  the the only thing that we were considering was that  this thing is kind of more for right-handed people than for left-handed people , project manager: I think it does .  industrial designer: so if you're left-handed you're kind of left  scrolling with your finger . user interface: so y so we we might do we might want to do like a  another m model another another version , which is like exactly the mirror image of this one . project manager: 'cause you don't always have all left-handers or all right-handers in a family . industrial designer: So bu it's it's not a huge problem , marketing: I th I think it's not it's not like it's a pen . user interface: But then then I think left-handed people are already used to discrimination anyway , project manager: Yeah . user interface: so they just marketing: Yeah , but  because it's not like it's a pen , you know , left-handed people can't normally write right-handed , user interface: Yeah . user interface: Yeah , because  anyway , right-handed people would be able to scroll with it , marketing: Yeah . user interface: so i if the majority are right-handed , it's  project manager: marketing: So  that does kind of negate the whole R_S_I_ issue . marketing: So maybe we need to put that needs a little bit of investigation , maybe give it a five , I would say ? project manager:  marketing: What do you what do you all think ? industrial designer:  . user interface: Or maybe six , because it's just one one i one among the issues , project manager: Yeah , I think I think for  user interface:  . project manager:  most people are right-handed , so in in terms of our greatest target group , I think it's pretty good , but we might want to flag it for management , they want might want to  user interface: Yeah . industrial designer: It might be a little clumsy when when it opens up , right , project manager: They industrial designer: so it opens on the side . industrial designer: So you guys can decide wh whether user interface: it will be and it will be it won't be heavy . user interface: Yeah well yeah , project manager: The length is gonna be difficu user interface: but it's it's a bit long . marketing: But you were thinking about making it smaller , yeah ? industrial designer:  this this kind of  makes it more project manager:  . marketing: So it works like a mobile phone flipping , but y you know , as long as that side's flat , than that will work . Are are we admitting defeat on C_ or are we saying we're gonna stick a locator on the T_V_ ? industrial designer: No , we have a locator . project manager: No , we're gonna put it like we've got th there's the locator dot . Cool , so that means you need a that does mean you need a little speaker on it though , user interface:  that you stick on T_V_ . user interface: Yeah well w but l but the speak sample speaker is included , so it it has some capacity to  to do some to make some sounds , so yeah . If   if this means intuitive , if it means the way people kind of are used to finding things project manager: Yeah . user interface: and it's I th I think it's project manager: I'd say six , 'cause the  the the standard layout for numbers is three three three and one , rather than the way you've got it . marketing: Yeah , and  d industrial designer: And  even the scroll , it's a it's a new technology project manager: So industrial designer: so m m might be a little more difficult for people to get used to in the beginni project manager: Might be industrial designer: so it is kind of not very intuitive but  it's a good technology ,  once they get used to it . project manager: But it and it's something that they will be experiencing in a lot of different places soon . marketing: So , should we maybe say f a five industrial designer: So l marketing: and say it is intuitive , project manager: Five ? marketing: but it's different , so , do you know ,  it's obvious how to use it , project manager: Yeah . It has taken a little while , hasn't it ?  intuitive but Sorry , it's really hard to write on those . marketing: I just went a bit mad , didn't I ? project manager: marketing:  okay , cool , E_ , okay .  I would guess this comes back from this whole B_ thing links in here , so possibly for left-handed . user interface: but then who would be really pushing the buttons so much on the on the remote control anyway , industrial designer: Yeah . user interface: Yeah , so it's kinda industrial designer: Yeah , I I think it is ergonomic . marketing: I used to send fifty texts a day , you know , project manager: Well we've banned them from marketing: and I never got repetitive strain injury from that , project manager: industrial designer:  yeah . industrial designer: And moreover it it has  L_C_D_ and everything , project manager: Yeah . marketing: Hang on , how come it's showing up with the things there but it only had bullet points there ? That's just project manager: Ah , that's the second one . So you must have changed it on this one where it's got score , but not on the previous slide . industrial designer: Anyway it ha yeah , user interface: Technologi well industrial designer: it's the most sophisticated remote that I ever seen . Well  we have we have the sample speaker as well , which is yeah , it's kind of new . marketing: Yeah , but  you don't project manager: All of the components have been used in other things before . marketing: They're never been used i they've never been using remote remote control before I don't think . project manager: What do you reckon , five , six ? marketing: Yeah , what do you all think ? user interface: Six . marketing: Six ? user interface:  how how far can you go with a remote control , really ? project manager: Yeah . industrial designer: marketing: Well , that's it ,  user interface: It still has to do what i what it has to do . industrial designer: marketing: Yeah , but  everything has been used in space before it gets to anyone else really , hasn't it ? project manager: marketing: So , I don't think many peop project manager: Space remote . user interface: Yeah , isn't it fashionable ? project manager: industrial designer: The carrot banana remote . marketing: So , we give it seven , and we write user interface: Fruit fruit and vegetables are fashionable these days , so . user interface: What's the assessment ? marketing: So , we need the average here , so we got user interface: The average is about six and something . marketing: So we've got four sevens , user interface: No , wait , a little bit under six . project manager: Fifty one , one , two , three , four , five , six , seven , eight . project manager: Six point point industrial designer: Fifty one divided by user interface: Six point something , yeah . project manager: Now wait until we get to finance and then we'll see if we can afford it . marketing: project manager: That's all you've got at the moment , or did you have anything more ? marketing:  no , that's it , project manager: That's it ? marketing: yeah . marketing: user interface: project manager: Computer no signal ? industrial designer:  I guess it'll have to wait for a bit . project manager: It could be marketing: Yeah , but rubber comes coloured , doesn't it ? You know . project manager: it's I would maybe it's like if you want titanium coloured or wood coloured , it's different . user interface: Or maybe maybe if you want some kind of pattern thing on it , project manager: Yeah , let's leave it as zero , 'cause it's easy . project manager: We we're definitely going to have to user interface: We have pushbuttons , industrial designer:  . project manager: so we've got pushbutton , and then we've user interface: scro we have scroll wheel as well . project manager: Scroll wheel with pushbutton we had , no ? industrial designer: No  we we have  yeah . user interface: Yeah , but what do we ha we have L_C_ display , but but the wh but the s spinning wheel project manager: But the the spinning wheel's not there . I have think maybe it's integrated with the L_C_ display ? user interface: Yeah . marketing: We've got more than one pushbutton though , user interface: Okay , let's yeah . project manager: marketing: haven't we ? project manager: I think the pushbutton oh . marketing: 'Cause then you have project manager: I don't know if that's one marketing: That means you can only have twenty five push buttons in total doesn't it ? Not counting anything , we'd still be in budget . industrial designer: Huh ? project manager: Push what  industrial designer: Wh wh what is the limit ?  . project manager: whether whether pushbutton means that p count by button or do we user interface: We have to count all of them , or yeah . industrial designer: No it says what what is the kind of interface , marketing: Well it doesn't , but it  project manager: No . industrial designer: if it is pushbutton then you got a zero point five , it's a scroll wheel so we we've put it's pushbutton and scroll wheel and L_C_D_ display , project manager: Yeah . marketing: Yeah , the sample sensor will have to go , 'cause that's the most expensive thing on there . marketing: But that's a bit of a gimmick anyway really , isn't it ? industrial designer:  and the locator also goes away . marketing:  does project manager: What else does it need ? user interface: Well the speaker  the sample speaker is is expensive , but we could just have some some very very easy device that just beeps . project manager: Yeah , 'cause the sample speaker was , I think , more complicated then just a beeping thing . project manager: Yeah , okay , so we industrial designer: A also i in the case I'm not sure that you will evaluate this as a curved surface , because it's just rubber , so it's probably a flat surface rubber . marketing: See , I was gonna say the scroll wheel pushbutton thing , 'cause project manager: Take it down to just a scroll wheel . We could do industrial designer: So tha that mean that we cannot press how do we how do we make a selection in  in the L_C_D_ ? user interface: Yeah , then then we would be in the b budget . industrial designer: If in the L_C_D_ we can scroll , right ? But how do we make a selection if we d cannot push the button . user interface: Yeah b no no , you can push this one , but we don't have a pushbutton  we ca we don't have this muting mechanism for this scrolling thing . industrial designer: it's it's the scroll wheel and I thought we were referring to this as a scroll spinning wheel and pushbutton thing . That's the spin wheel though , isn't it ? Didn't that come with the L_C_ project manager: That's with the L_C_ industrial designer: That comes with the L_C_D_ ? marketing: Yeah . marketing: Unless we just take off the scroll wheel altogether project manager: It's nothing n marketing: and just have pushbuttons for the volume . project manager: Yeah , marketing:  the scroll wheel's pretty cool , but project manager: I have industrial designer: Instead of scrolling here we have two buttons here , up for up and down . Oh look , we're way under budget and we'll make huge profits and we'll all get bonuses . marketing: Yeah , well we could admit to the single curve , couldn't we ? industrial designer: project manager: Or or that we have to have some sort of special colour . project manager: and then I'll take I can send it back to management and say we weren't quite sure about the colour , if that costs extra then we've still got some space for it , industrial designer: We have , yeah . industrial designer: Because we keep all the features , we keep voice recognition , we keep L_C_D_ display . marketing: We just got rid of a gimmick that was never anyway , industrial designer:  yeah . marketing: and the scroll wheel is  essentially the two buttons that was it's not a great difference I don't think . user interface: But yeah , it's it's not like sample speaker , but it will just beep , so we still have the locate . industrial designer: project manager: Tha user interface: Which colour , the the colour of the phone or the colour of the industrial designer: marketing: Oh the the beeper thing . project manager: 'Cause we we won't have run out of our pot of Play-Doh .  we need we've just got about ten minutes or so left of the meeting , so it would be good if we could just have a little talk about the project itself and how it went ,  so that we can feed back to the management for next time they're designing a product . project manager: Feedback ? Ideas ? user interface: Yeah  , as far as creativity is concerned , yeah I think there was there was room for creativity . The only the only problem being that at the end we had to cut some things down because of the the budget we had . industrial designer: I think  n one thing that was lacking  was that we did not know what the various things cost to begin with . marketing: If we'd had that sheet at the beginning should've been like , okay , so we can have that lot , let's just throw it together and do what we can . project manager: But in terms of the process of  going and working individually and then coming back to a meeting , that that worked in terms of . marketing: so you didn't st go off and think , wouldn't it be great to have a vibrating remote control shaped like a banana , project manager: industrial designer: marketing: and then , you know , come back three days later and Jen's going look , look , it vibrates and it looks like a banana . That would just be so cool , to d do all your notes and s project manager: Yeah , you could take it to lectures and just write stuff down industrial designer: Yeah yeah yeah , project manager: and have it printed out when you got back to the office . industrial designer: that's it's it's project manager: They great ? industrial designer: I wonder what one of these costs . project manager: Do you think they'd notice if one went ? marketing: I don't think you should say that was the recording . project manager: But that worked well having having a whiteboard that we could draw on as well as having the PowerPoint , 'cause the I find that the problem with PowerPoint often is that it's so static and you can't change it once you're in there , marketing: It is a bit limiting , isn't it ? industrial designer: Yeah . user interface: Yeah , and and and this time also the time limits but actually preparing the marketing: Yeah . marketing: you didn't have the whole whooshing thing , 'cause there wasn't time for that , so yeah . We could make some little user interface: But yeah , but  already just just preparing the slides before before the meeting , yeah . marketing: Are we supposed to say nice things about Jen now ? industrial designer: project manager: And presumably you don't you can say nasty things as well . project manager: Did anyone feel that they were getting sort of covered up and not being able to say their bit ? user interface: To express them   industrial designer:  . user interface: pretty novel solution for a for a remote control really , all this flipping open thing and project manager: Yeah . marketing: I don't know , I don't go shopping for remote controls that often , maybe somebody's already though of it . user interface: Yeah , neither neither do I , project manager: user interface: but I've never seen anything and and none of my examples were was was like this , actually , so . industrial designer: project manager: user interface: Yeah maybe w maybe we could have a patent on this one . marketing: I think we'd like to think the ideas were new , project manager: Banana remote . Vibrate user interface: marketing: Yeah , but that would just come up with like other things really wouldn't it . project manager: well within budget , including a little what have we got ? One Euro left over for bits that we didn't foresee . Were there any was there anything that you found difficult , or anything that didn't go as smoothly as you'd hope ? user interface: And my main difficulty was the the time pressure . industrial designer: I thought that was good though , because if you're given too much time then you got nothing to do with your time and  yeah . project manager: We've got about five minutes left , but if we've finished , then we've finished . industrial designer: We certainly are , project manager: and you should never drag a meeting on just because you have extra time . marketing: project manager: It was very productive day and marketing: We could draw animals on the board again . industrial designer: user interface: Oh , you don't like anim marketing: It's just minging . project manager: Right , so we have to complete the final questionnaire and meeting summary when they send it . industrial designer: Was there a questionnaire already sent ? project manager: I don't know if it's already sent or not . project manager:  presumably I have to marketing: Do we have to go back into the other room or can we stay in here now ? project manager: I don't see why you can't stay here , really


project manager: How do we sta wa how do we start ? Does anybody know ? marketing: Oh , another one . project manager: I haven't looked at it , but let's just start it off and we'll see what happens . project manager: So is the agenda ? Opening , acquaintance , tool training and project plan , discussion and then closing . project manager: Project method , functional design , individual work , another meeting , conceptual design , individual work , and a meeting of details design , individual work and a meeting . Try out the whiteboard , every participant should draw their favourite animal and sum up their favourite characteristics of that animal . So are we supposed to bring the little things for the project manager: Yeah , why don't you just c , I think just clip on clip marketing: project manager: do you have a belt ? industrial designer:  . So my favourite animal project manager: Yeah , what's your favourite animal ? industrial designer: 'Kay  marketing: Ah . project manager: 'Kay , and you want to write up on there , it says you've gotta sum up your f f your favourite characteristics of that animal . project manager: Do you want to use the wipe the m the wiper and wipe it off ? industrial designer: Okay . project manager: And Mister aesthetics designer do you wanna go next ? user interface: Aesthetic yep , sure . Can I just draw the face ? project manager:  yeah , I think you can just draw the face , but then you'll have to describe in writing how the rest of it looks . project manager: Okay , do y do you wanna do some write marketing: Why ? project manager: you wanna just write some words about it ? marketing: Because  cuddly . And they can feel when a human's got problems so project manager: Wow , so they're kinda spiritual . project manager: but for the for th for this meeting I'll s draw a little marketing: industrial designer: Oh that's a project manager: no user interface: industrial designer: user interface: A prairie dog ? project manager: no  user interface: Oh a squirrel ? project manager: That's exactly what it is . project manager: Okay , well , you got it's a s It's a squirrel , and I like them , because they're cute and stupid . Production cost , ah right it's gotta be can't cost any more than twelve fifty to make . user interface: So I think before we close  , we are expected  the last slide wanted us to maybe discuss longer what our what our ideas where . user interface: Yeah , I think we're  before we close the meeting , we're supposed to come up with some ideas for project manager: Oh k so we're actually supposed to be doing this discussion like right now are we or user interface: Yeah . project manager: I thought this was just t giving us instructions for the re to do next , but user interface: Yeah , I think this is just the preliminary , get some rough ideas for what our experiences with remote controls have been and and what we would roughly what we would incorporate into a new one maybe . industrial designer: Is this a T_V_ one we are supposed to make ? marketing: Yeah . Are we are we going for like like telephones are going little teeny tiny things or we are going for something that's that's big and marketing: Medium . Yeah it seems like there's like there's sort of a tension between two ideas , you want you want one remote that maybe can work  all all of the functions of T_V_ and if you have whatever associated with T_V_ the D_V_D_ player , or something like that , project manager: Video and ts hi-fi and stuff . user interface: but like at the same time you don't wanna really busy remote with a thousand buttons on it or something . project manager: 'Cause I I  I was thinking something that's got different like maybe a a an L_C_D_ display on it that's got different pages for different devices , marketing: project manager: but that would p that would probably be quite expensive . industrial designer: But how do we know how much  , how much do we have per how much ? marketing: Twelve fifty . industrial designer: So do we have to be realistic within the budget or project manager: Well at the moment we could , wa  we industrial designer: Close pr I don't know how much it would cost . marketing: Guess project manager: 'cause we this is what we th what we're doing at the moment is just saying what what we'd like , and then after we after we've found out what we can like , some different ideas , we can then go and do the research to find out if these any of these ideas are feasible or not . marketing: Couldn't we have like one that comes out ? Like so you have one in like  industrial designer: Yeah . And then you have one for your D_V_D_ and you sort of slide it out , and then you have another one , you slide it out . So it's not you actually just putting three or four different remotes together but making them thinner , and  into one basically . industrial designer:  have  one very complicated one on one side with all the D_V_D_ and V_C_R_ access and stuff , and then on the other side o one  a remote control that would be very very simple with just the channel , program plus and minus , and the just the mute button , for example . user interface: I'm not sure if that's like industrial designer: Or grandma as well , you know it's like what is the mute button . user interface: I'm not sure if it's a good idea to have a two sided remote though , 'cause it would be very hard to use in the way that you mani manipulate it . industrial designer: No , but you would slide it into  someth like something on the back would hold like you wouldn't be able to press the buttons , but user interface: Oh . project manager: F flip it open and you've got all the buttons , or you flip it closed and you've just got the basic buttons on the outside maybe . user interface: I guess by the end of this meeting we should have at least a a rough conception you know stage one was technical functions design , what effect the apparatus should have .  so  we still have time in our next meeting to come up with the actual concept for the user interface , but the the functions that we're sure that we want are that it can control the T_V_ , but also devices connected to the to the T_V_ , be able to operate project manager: Yeah . project manager: I have got I think we should also have a back-up plan of I 'cause I I I just think that it might be expensive to make something that  we don't , we haven't been told it has to be something that will control everything . We should have a back-up plan of just a really good television remote control , that just that is just for a T_V_ , but it's just a really good , nice one . project manager: What do you reckon ? See 'cause , I'm just thinking bearing in mind th we've gotta we have to have something that's cheap to make . Yeah , that's true , maybe we should just concentrate on having a a good T_V_ remote , and have it be  project manager: I think we'll be able to come up with ideas and stuff a lot quicker . user interface: have it be like ergonomic so it's comfortable to use , project manager: Yeah . user interface:  simple to use , and looks decent and project manager: May w you know , maybe even marketing: But what'll make it what'll make it interesting for people to buy though ? project manager: Or maybe even so something that's for disabled people marketing:  if it's if it's just like project manager: or so people that  b don't see very well or big buttons for touchy buttons for user interface: Sorta find a niche for our remote , like market it to a certain kind of p kind of people , project manager: Yeah . Yeah , rathe rather than focus on project manager: Otherwise we'll be we'll be here all day talking about do this let's do that n I think we sh I think we should user interface: Y Yeah . industrial designer: Yeah , 'cause at the end of the day if it says just T_V_ remote , doesn't say com combination with all all the r user interface: Yeah .  obviously everyone we're  you know  sounds like we're all a bit sort of gadget heads and we like things that do everything at once , but you know , that's user interface: Remotes spinning out from other remotes and having little nested remotes inside . industrial designer: marketing: I think a flip up thing , 'cause you always have this problem of like if it's on this well I did anyway , like we had five or six remotes and they would be lying on the c on the coach , and you'd come and sit down and ooh , the telephone's the television switched on or something . So maybe something that like does have a lid or closes , so you don't accidentally press a button or record button for something . project manager: Okay , like a lock f like a lock functs function on it like you have on your telephones , yeah . user interface: Yeah , that's true what you were saying ,  it doesn't have to have a flip function , it can just have a lock function , so that it's not  not usable when you don't want it to be usable . marketing: project manager: so we've got some ideas , we've got  user interface: I guess that's good good for now . marketing: W What does I_D_V_I_D_N_M_E_ stand for ? project manager: Industrial Designer  which is marketing: Ah ri okay . project manager: that's you , so you gotta you go , you're you're gonna be the one that's working out what what buttons we need . project manager: Industrial Designer , you are the one , you know , you're gonna be working out kind of box it goes in , I guess so ,  whether it's what goes into the box , somehow . Har how it works an project manager: And in marketing industrial designer: Bu marketing: These are requirement specification . marketing: So what the user requires project manager: Yeah , what industrial designer: Do you think our two kind of overlap , because marketing: in a remote . project manager: You two you two are gonna be just , I think , you just double up , you know , you working together . project manager: You're the one that's gotta go and find out do th do the research , see what people want in a remote , what buttons are used more often , and s stuff like that . industrial designer: user interface: marketing: So , do we take these off ? industrial designer: I don't {disfmarker}


industrial designer: Who is gonna do a PowerPoint presentation ? user interface: Think we all industrial designer: You will as well ? user interface: Huh . I just wanna 'cause basically I can't re I've really crap at remembering everyone's name so I just wanna rather than going  Miss Marketing and Miss this and Miss that wanted to know your names again . industrial designer: Okay I'm project manager: just gonna leave this up here 'cause I'll you know . And you're s r R_E_I_S_S_ marketing: I am Reissa .  this is gonna go a lot better than the last meeting , basically , industrial designer: user interface: project manager:  'cause I know what I'm supposed to be doing now . industrial designer: marketing: project manager: I am your Project Manager , and ,  yeah , I'm just here to industrial designer: project manager: sort of liaise between the three of you and get things going , get people talking and and I'm gonna be making notes and sending them off to the powers that be and stuff basically .  right , this for the purposes of this meeting what this meeting is all about is  I'm gonna have some presentations from all three of you , what you've been working on for the last wee while , when you haven't been getting hit with spam on your computers and and , you know , filling out silly questionnaires and things . We'll we'll  talk about what we actually need as a final coming together of it all .  and then we'll , yeah , we'll sort of conclude anything else comes up at the end of it . industrial designer: How long is the meeting ? project manager: This meeting it's not very long . So I want each of your presentations to not be too long , five five minutes , something like that . project manager:  if you haven't done a PowerPoint thingy , it doesn't matter , it it just it just says that you it's that's just one particular medium . If you haven't had time to prepare one , you can draw stuff on the noteboard , you can talk to us , you can you know however you want to do your little presentation , basically , you can . project manager: are you  b are you joining in with this meeting here marketing: I  yeah , yeah . project manager: or are y or are y or are you are you just are you just  doing some Internet shopping there ? user interface: Think she's finishing up her presentation . Alright , let's have  well , we all know that it's it's a remote control that we're gonna be dealing with . project manager: I think the first thing we should look at is  probably the  what it is that it is actually supposed to be . project manager: You don't have to worry about screwing it in just industrial designer: Are we getting i Really ? project manager: there you go . marketing: industrial designer: So the working design , I've got a very quick presentation on this , so  I've oh no , you can't see a thing . So  the idea is that we've got the energy source  , which in our case will pr , oh well okay , never mind . So  I think maybe  two batteries , I dunno what they're called six , or something like that . industrial designer:  and then  then on the  remote control itself will have  the sender for the signal , which could be  an infra-red signal ,  which will be sent by an electronic chip . industrial designer: And  the sender will send to the telly itself an infra-red signal to tell it to switch on or switch channels . industrial designer: Sorry the presentation wasn't very  clear but project manager: I prefer the pe I prefer the human touch personally . industrial designer: should I erase this or project manager: Do you wanna just give us a moment , I just wanna copy this down . project manager:  I dunno if you guys have got any questions for Catherine on any of this ? industrial designer: Fine . Or suggestions ? marketing: Is a battery like the only way of industrial designer: Well , it's just , you don't want it plugged in really , s user interface: Yeah , alternate energy source , like win wind power or project manager: Yeah , you blow on it and i industrial designer: In indoors . marketing: No I meant like industrial designer: marketing: No 'cause like cha 'cause always changing   batteries can get like annoying . industrial designer: marketing: The battery's down and maybe , I dunno , solar charged ? industrial designer: I dunno , swi I th I th I think changing your batteries once every six months is not really a pain , but project manager: Yeah , it's worked for the last fifty years you know . user interface: One question I have , and I don't know how much control we have over this is  , as far as the infra-red signal , do we have control over , you know , how far away you can be from the receiving unit , the the T_V_ , and still have it be operational ?  , maybe we want one with a strong signal stream . project manager: It's never gonna be more than it's never gonna be , you kno unless you've got a T_V_ the size of a football pitch , it's not doesn't have to go that far , user interface:  industrial designer: Well , the thing is  you you don't project manager: does it ? Doesn't have to go through a wall , because you're not gonna be looking through a wall . marketing: Yeah , but if like you're on the phone in the other room and you need turn television off or something and you don't really want to go into the put the telephone down , and go into the other room . industrial designer: Well , we can make the the signal strong enough to go through walls if if you fancy it . I didn't think about that but marketing: How about Bluetooth ? Instead of using infra-red , use Bluetooth . industrial designer: Why not ? I just think that it's it's gonna cost more marketing: Isn't that a better signal ? project manager: Yeah , yeah I d it sounds like you you w don't wanna overcomplicate things . industrial designer: and I'm I'm not sure it's you're gonna use it . industrial designer: It's a fancy idea  it's quite nice , but then I don't th I dunno , either you if you wanna watch the telly you're in the room , project manager: Yeah , exactly . industrial designer: you are gonna project manager: Basically , we're we're desi we're designing and marketing a television remote control unit . industrial designer: But project manager: We're not w w w w designing something that you can plug in a headset to and and you know connect to your laptop computer and stuff . industrial designer: Oh , we can we can keep the idea if you i We can see at a later stage , maybe , I don't marketing: 'S just an idea . industrial designer: Do you need the border ? user interface:  I'm just gonna use the PowerPoint  . user interface: Yeah , and basically  , as far as methods , I was I was looking looking at looking at  already existing remotes , trying to find some inspiration from designs that are already out there . Thinking of what we can retain , what we can do away with ,  what we what we can perfect a little bit as far as design  . we don't want to do something that's too radical of a change , I guess ,  people want a remote that's familiar , that has their favourite functionalities  and and does the basics , but project manager:  yeah . user interface:  so we can improve what's out there and maintain that , the basic functionality that people want .  so things that seem like absolute must-haves  would be a volume control ,  so up-down keys for that ,  channel keys up-down , but then also a numerical key pad so that they can just key directly to the channel that they want , rather than doing up-down , and  a mute button .  one thing that I didn't include here , that I forgot that we talked about last time , was doing  some sort of lock  function . And so in the research that I was doing there's basically two types of remotes , ones that are engineering centred and ones that are more user centred , which I don't know if I can access the web page from here , but I can show you  . So this is a engineer centred one , so you see it's rather busy , but it also lets you play your movie , stop your movie , fast-forward , all this ,  freeze frame .  it's it's easier to g just glance at this and see what's possible to do , project manager: Yeah . user interface: And I judging from what what we all talked about during our last meeting I kind of gathered that that's what we were going after ,  or the direction we were going in at least . So , the engineering centred ones  provide a lot of functionality , but it can be a little bit overwhelming , so the user centred ones just focus on ease of use .  and this sort of overlaps with what the marketing person  , Reissa , marketing: user interface: because  we we need to find out what what people want before we make firm decisions on this . This w  research that you've been doing looki looking at other , you know , existing units stuff .  have you found that anyone else has do has looked into the locking function or user interface: No that that that seemed like a novel idea as f as far as I know . I dunno , what  do you guys have a a yea or nay on that a feeling about whether that's really necessary ? project manager:  I would say it's If it's simple to do , which I think it probably should be , user interface: Yeah . project manager: even if it's a physical , you know , a f a like a f a physical switch or a physical cover for the remote , even something like that ,  then yes , user interface: project manager: it's like , you know , like s you said earlier on ab ab ab a flip thing , something like that , user interface: Right .  I've had word down from head office that something that we should be centred well , something we should take into account is  we've gotta keep the corporate image within this remote control unit . project manager: You know , the the company it's it's , from what I can see from our other products , are yellow with blue writing on them . project manager: So it's kinda gotta look it's gotta look new and s you know something fashionable . If if remote control well , if telephones can be fashionable , then maybe remote control units can be . user interface: Well yeah these , I think , we can so we talked about the layout in my presentation and what I didn't mention yet really is is the sort of like the ergonomic design . Because we need user interface: I t I think we can make big improvements over these two that you see here ,  . industrial designer: user interface: everything is going t ergonomic , you know , there's you know mice for your computers that are very ergonomic and keyboards and that could be one of our niches p sort of   in the market , I guess . user interface: Yeah , then you just have to do function F_ eight and it should come up . Well , for our marketing report  we observed remote control users in a usability lab , and also gave so this is research and we also gave participants  questionnaires to fill out .  total number of people tested were a hundred just so you know , so that hundred people were tested and these were the findings .  eighty f eighty per cent of them would spend more money if the rem remote control looked really cool and fancy . So , they don't like like the way they operate it doesn't like match how people behave .  per cent of the users say that they only use ten per cent of the buttons on a remote , so probably if you have like one , two , three , four , five , the whole up to z ten , they probably don't use those , they only use the up and down channel . project manager: You are a child of technology , aren't you ? marketing:  so yeah  I was thinking something easy to use , especially for older people . And it's easy to find , so I don't know whether maybe and also we asked them whether they wanted whether they'd be interested in  voice activating . marketing:  so basically the majority except for the forty five to fifty five year olds for some reason didn't want a voice activated one . And neither did the older generation , but the younger generation who we are catering for , like who have most of the money nowadays , do want a voice act speech recognition in a remote . industrial designer: project manager:  but do the younger generation have the money ? They they don't . project manager: It's older generation , they're the ones that have gone out and marketing: Well the twenty five to thirty five year old , and thirty five , and the thirty five to forty five , forty five point seven per cent say no , so project manager: People people from the age of thirty f there's a big drop off there . marketing: project manager: For people up to the age of thirty five , you're kinda saying , yeah , they want it .  but no they're not sort of most people that have the money are people from the age of thirty five to fifty five , user interface: Yeah , that would be my guess as well . marketing: So they don't project manager:  d and tha marketing: Well project manager: and that's a that's quite a minority there , so yeah , it's not even like fifty fifty that's th thirty five per cent . user interface: What about just from the the prospective of our manufacturing cost ?  if if it's twelve fifty per unit . marketing:  also with  with buttons , a thing called R_S_I_ , so wrist sense user interface: Repetitive strain  rep repetitive strain injury marketing: Huh ? user interface: or like from doing marketing: Yeah , repetitive strains injury , so they don't I think people who watch T_V_ maybe too often , keep changing channel hurts their wrist . project manager: So y so it's so it's so you got user interface: project manager: so that's something we should have a look into then i when desi when designing the ergonomics of marketing: Yeah user interface:  . project manager: see have a look if  there's any w any medical background we can find out about this . industrial designer: Maybe it could be , instead of pressing button it could be just touching a marketing: Yeah . project manager: Let's jus marketing: Maybe project manager: we just want need to cover our arses so that people aren't gonna sue us in ten years' time , say your remote control gave me repetitive strain injury . project manager: I'll see if I can get see if I can get hold of them for the next meeting . I think we can do some really in in that department , the the ergonomic department , we can make some some really good improvements . Maybe th the buttons not so high up so you don't have to press so much , user interface:  .  okay , so we've basically we've decide we've d we've decided that it's gonna be , you know  , we're going for a basic television remote . project manager: Now going back to the  industrial design of it , you know , we were looking at whether to use maybe infra-red or Bluetooth . I think , we should just go with the simplest option on everything ,  and that would be infra-red , energy source , that would be batteries .  mean we we can look into using the s , you know , the little tiny weeny batteries , all like special long-lasting batteries . But a in there's no I don't think there's any point in making a remote control unit that's gonna last for fifty years , because technology will have changed and , you know , we won't have televisions in ten years' time . user interface: Yeah , it seems like we're all on the pretty much on the same page . Have you been ge has have any of you lot been getting loads of crap spam on your computers ? user interface: Oh it's probably just you , 'cause you're the project manager . Do oh have you guys found out if we can if we can e-mail stuff to each other ? marketing: Yeah , you can . I industrial designer: Well , in the project announcement , you've got the addresses , I think . marketing: I think he's participant one , aren't you ? industrial designer: So Project Manager , it's participant one at A_M_I_ . project manager: Can you all d e-mail me your e-mail addresses ? marketing: project manager: . industrial designer: You have them i you have them , user interface: Well it's just w it's just it's just par participant one , participant two . project manager: Send me , yeah industrial designer: You want to have friends , don't you ? project manager: yeah , okay . user interface: So are we headed towards like a b a big yellow and black remote as far as maybe that's our next meeting that we discuss that . project manager: Is it yellow and black or is it yellow and blue ? I I kind of thought it was blue writing on a yellow background , but I might be just going a bit user interface: Well , it's like white on i white and blue on a black background with white with yellow borders . project manager: Well , maybe you can come up with a few with a couple of different ideas ? industrial designer: It wouldn't be user interface:  . marketing: Can't we have different colours in the remotes , so somebody can choose different col project manager: Well , see the thing is is we've gotta keep the company image . project manager: It's gotta say people have gotta look at this remote control and instantly recognise that it's a Real Reaction i product . marketing: But if it's a R_R_ , it would be Real Reaction , project manager: There's loads of companies that called R_R_ . project manager: This is slog but this is the slogan , this is the the the the type . user interface: And this is something that came on down from from the higher ups , project manager: Yeah . project manager: Not necessarily even if i it just has to ye but you have to look at the product and instantly know that it's one of our products industrial designer: Well you could project manager: as opposed to a Sony product or a , you know , a Panasonic product . project manager: It's got to so maybe , so you can have a look at our our other products and see if they all follow a s similar vein , perhaps . industrial designer: It could come But it could come in different colours and have the R_R_ colours just somewhere project manager: Yeah . industrial designer: like just around the lock button could be the R_R_ logo or colours and project manager: Yeah . project manager: If we've if we've finished at five minutes before the meeting's supposed to finish , then that means we get an extra five minutes for lunch . I just have to there's a few little bits and pieces I have to write down , but Take your headsets off , kick back , smoke 'em if you got 'em