user interface: project manager: who's gonna give the prototype presentation ? You two guys ? Okay . The logo is  is  is pretty  obvious to see on the on the remote control , user interface: industrial designer: but it is necessary when you want to build your  company f to a level higher . And then we had  just  two buttons , we place them in the middle ,  the menu , and for the teletext project manager: Oh no , the the the mute button misses now . user interface: I thought that was th marketing: Alright , I project manager: Do y do you user interface: Oh , the mute button . project manager: did we want to have a m mute button ? industrial designer: But  that marketing: Yeah . marketing: Alright , and  you gotta point out which is the volume   button and which is the programme button . industrial designer: Yes ,  user interface: Well , yeah mo  mo industrial designer: we've disc user interface: Yeah , well most of them are right-handed . industrial designer: Most of the users marketing: Yeah , but you you gotta make it clear on the on user interface: Yeah well , I don't have time in  anymore on the industrial designer: Yes , y there there will be a p a little a little P_ on that and a little  yeah . marketing: industrial designer: user interface: marketing: industrial designer: project manager: there are different ways for remote controls to  do  like marketing: project manager:  d I call it teens and twenties . project manager: Yeah , but do we have do we need extra buttons , user interface:  project manager: for example some  some have to user interface:  I think so . marketing: I think industrial designer: Yes , yes , you have you have a lot of standard buttons that has to be  on it ,  th with the one and a double   marketing: Yeah , I think you should add user interface: Zero ? marketing: A cross , or whatever . project manager: Yeah , but you don't you don't actually need them , user interface: May maybe here ? industrial designer: yes . project manager: becau b l a lot of remote controls work that y when y that you when you fir you push the one first , then you have a couple of seconds user interface: Yeah . industrial designer: Yes , you have televisions , then you have to , you know , you have to  press marketing: I do know so . user interface: Is it depending on television ? project manager: Nah , I don't think so really , marketing: Yeah . project manager: because you have a I know some remote controls that don't have these buttons , but you still can , know , obviously you can still select the twenty  a number in the twenty or in the ten . industrial designer: Yes , but but a lot  marketing: Yes , but   no  remote control nowadays are  they come with the television . project manager: No , I think  I really think it's n marketing: But project manager: because you can when when you put a button on it with like one and  then a dash , it's the same thing as when you just push the one , marketing: Yeah . project manager: because it i it first gives you the functionality of that that  separate button you also had to  apply . industrial designer: Yes , but marketing: Yeah , well but su If industrial designer: some televisions don't accept  that that project manager: Yeah , because that's i it's for television . I in th in the first place it gives a signal which it would also send when you put a separate button on it . project manager: The one with dash , that signal gi and when y whe when you don't push another button on the remote control within five seconds , then the remote control gives a signal for channel one . marketing: No , it it it works  if you haven't got  a special button for it ,  if you push a one , then on your television there will appear a one and a a line , which is an empty space . project manager: Yeah , but it's exact the same that w would appear when you put a separate button push a separate button . industrial designer: Yes , but some some old televisions  you have to  click on  a special button ,  then you go to a a next level , you can push two buttons . project manager: I think it's exact the same thing when y industrial designer: You want Yes , but some television don't support it . project manager: No , but then they would a would also support that button , because it's the same thing . user interface: But the ex project manager: Listen , with that that's that special but button you're talking about , eh ? That's just a signal to recei ju they send a t signal to the v tv T_V_ that they have to put a one in on your screen and a dash , which you can pu so you can  still put another number on it . When you don't have that separate button , and you push y one , it's exactly the same thing . Do y you the remote control gives that same signal as it would give when you only had industrial designer: No , marketing: No , s some some televisions need the input first  and and you c industrial designer: a remote can project manager: Yeah . That's the same thing as the button with the one and it marketing: No , that's not true . industrial designer: No , user interface: You  you can wai when you push the one you can show on the telly a one and just a dash , and then wait  two  seconds or something industrial designer: but  marketing:  project manager: And it's the same thing what happens and a g remote control gives another signal after five seconds that is just one . Yeah , but I m  but it's I I know for sure that some televisions that w th th the remote control supplied , only ha has the c these buttons with a one and a dash and a two and a dash , but when you use a bu a n remote control that doesn't sport these buttons , it still works . industrial designer: Yeah , it project manager: But okay , we we'll impl marketing: No , definitely not . marketing: user interface: I don't know  I don't know if if it's it's necessary . project manager: Yeah but marketing: you can access that  via zero , and then minus , I guess . What I said about  the remote control sending another signal , that that might not be true , marketing: Yeah . project manager: but I still think i it it all T_V_s in some ways support it , I don't know . I think it's more c is m maybe we don't  we both don't really understand how it i how it really works , industrial designer: No , no . project manager: but I think there's more to in than wha than what you just said . project manager: I do think that  m T_V_s support mur multiple kind of remote controls . M industrial designer: some N some televisions when when you want to go further than  ten project manager: Th won't work wi with  industrial designer: No , you have to you have to  give the television  two or more signals . industrial designer: When you make the technology that that it will  give more signals , it could work , but Just a basic idea of of of the most  most y most common  and simple  operations on the remote . It's here on the user interface: marketing: user interface: Well it industrial designer: user interface: yeah ,  there's nothing I think it's pretty basic , industrial designer: We came  user interface: the the there's no fu industrial designer: Yes . user interface: there's one there's one button , marketing: No nothing really trendy about it . user interface: that's wha there's there's there's one function and that's n the one button when you want to find it . industrial designer: But maybe we can maybe we can make the docking station   a bit standard for for  the other products we sell , marketing: The button . So maybe we can  use the docking station , for example ,  M_P_ three players or or  marketing: Yep . industrial designer: Yes , but when you put that same volt voltages on it , you can put  when the when the when  o the the the lowest part of it , when it's o the same as the other products , you can put it all on the same  marketing: Yeah , of course . industrial designer: Yes , but we can make marketing: The technology and the voltage can be the same . marketing: Yeah , that's true , but  industrial designer: When when the the recharger has a has a bit what points out , we can place all on top of it . Just have to be big enough for the biggest marketing: Yes , but  I I g Shouldn't it fall then ? It isn't going to fall down ? That's a bit  industrial designer: No , when you make it large enough no it it will not . marketing: yeah , I think industrial designer: But then it's a little bit marketing: No , but if if like this , I'll I'll point it out , if you got  a a a base a base like this , industrial designer: But it's just an idea . If you got a base which is  as big as this industrial designer: But it's flat it's flat as as this , so we can p make all the products as flat as this . marketing: Yeah sure , but if you got if you got a tiny player , it can industrial designer: Yes , but when you make   a bit of big user interface: But it's it's backwards . project manager: But user interface: marketing: you could make like a hole in it , you know , of  in in the industrial designer: Yes , little holer littler  , little products go deeper in it . project manager: Well let's ha let's talk about the docking station later , because  maybe we have we have to  consider the docking station anyway , because we have some  cost issues still to come . industrial designer: the f the look and feel would be great on this  remote control , because  you always  will  pick up the remote control in the in the smallest  area . industrial designer: Then your  left thumb of  your right thumb is  near the programme  button , which is the most common used  function , and all the other buttons are available for your  thumb . That's it ? industrial designer: Yes ,  on the side  there will be a strip of rubber , and in the middle  there is  a hard  a hard material , a bit hard plastic with a light  behind it . industrial designer: Yes , we can make also n neon lights on it , or or the buttons that can make  light on it . user interface: lights ? industrial designer: But , it will also   use batteries , marketing: Yeah , why not ? industrial designer: and do we want to marketing: Of course . industrial designer: The all the aspects of the interface buttons were  project manager: Okay , but in the oh yeah , the colour , because we're gonna use  one colour for the the plastic enclosure and one colour for the rubber , isn't it ? Then we're gonna do the buttons in the i are we're gonna have rubber buttons . project manager: And they're be a they'll be in the same colour as the rubber on the side . And I think we should use a a darker colour for the  plastic , and maybe some more m brighter and flashy stuff industrial designer: Yes , maybe we can use on the on the lights on the side we can use   multiple  lights , marketing: Yes . project manager: but may I dunno if that's important , but we'll talk about that later . project manager: the next p y you gonna give a presentation too ?  , I have to see the agenda . marketing: We gotta do that on the right the most right-most screen , because the leftmost project manager: Evaluation criteria . Right , the remote is not ugly , a bit weird sentence , but the positive things has to be on the left , so I said not ugly instead of ugly . user interface: marketing: what would you say , we we gotta give points to  to all of these to evaluate  that design , and please forget the drawing skills of these guys . How do you feel ? project manager: Yeah , I think four maybe would be appropriate , because it's Yeah , maybe it really depends on taste . project manager: so if maybe a lot of people find it really ugly , you know , o other people find it really cool . industrial designer: I think I think the the fronts will give it a more    less uglier  side , because you can  make it in your own marketing: How do you guys feel ? The different designs . project manager: Yeah , but we d we didn't we're we're not planning to use fronts , I believe . marketing: And that's still   , yeah , is is  is a little personal touch , I guess . project manager: Okay , but Oh , maybe we should do three or something that w you know , our marketing: What ? Yeah , wha wha what would you  guys  think ? Personally . marketing: I was I was thinking about three , so I guess project manager: I was thinking about four , so I think three is  user interface: Okay , three . marketing: Antek , you agree ? user interface: Okay yeah , I'll I'll agree . user interface: I'm the I'm the usability , so marketing: I totally agree . project manager: But user interface: Well project manager: Well maybe a two , because of the menu button or something . project manager: And telete industrial designer: Also , the the the buttons of the one , the two , the the digits , project manager: Yeah , we don't know if the  they're necessary . industrial designer: o they're used   marketing: the the yeah , m well , you d you've got a point . project manager: Came a long way , but not we didn't not  marketing: Two or three ? user interface:  two . industrial designer: But you can't make a remote control without them , marketing: Two ? Antek . user interface: Because we got industrial designer: because marketing: Nay that that that's true , that's true . project manager: No , w w it can also always be more simplistic , but two is marketing: So we put it on a two ? project manager: yeah . industrial designer: project manager: Yeah yeah , y i it's hard to say from this picture . project manager: But I do think it's more user interface: I will I will make it a three , because  yeah . project manager: So so I think maybe it has to score higher  on this than on the user interface: Yeah . marketing: I was planning to give it a two ,  where I give the not ugly  project manager: A th a three . project manager: Yeah , but we  you mean the rubber stuff ? marketing: Yeah , and the light . user interface: But project manager: And I don't u also it's also really not innovative , industrial designer: Lights lights are marketing: Well , I g project manager: it's more marketing: It's not seven ? project manager: No , six . industrial designer: Because we've tried to make it a little bit innovative , user interface: Yeah . industrial designer: but it but it project manager:  it's  depends on the on the maybe marketing: How ? industrial designer: With the lights it it's it's kind of future user interface: project manager: No , I think I think actually it's a seven maybe , but there's nothing innovative about it .  , I agree , industrial designer: But still you can retrieve it when it's when it's gone , with the with marketing: m but user interface: Innovative in generally or just f original for marketing: I'll Yeah , you you didn't draw the docking station . project manager: N no no , marketing: Yeah , it it's I think I think with its project manager: t . user interface: A docking station is innova project manager: Yeah ,  the dock station , but but  , I think the the docking station , it's gonna be a kind of a problem . project manager: But marketing:  that that's n project manager: Well , let's leave it open for  for us later to see what , because we have to reevaluate anyway . project manager: No ? marketing: No  , well , the agenda says evaluate now , so I think we project manager: Okay , for now it's a six or a seven  , sev marketing: It's it's a six . project manager: because industrial designer: But the retrieval or the marketing: That m f project manager: Yeah , but I don't I don't know if it's very inno yeah . project manager: Yeah , v industrial designer: Yes , how would you innovate a remote control more ? project manager: Yeah , more through  like function T_V_ functionalities and industrial designer: To put it on your head . industrial designer: marketing: project manager: You have must be innovative technology for remote controls , but more in how you control stuff , not in how you find your marketing: Yeah sure , but project manager: yeah . Yeah , it's marketing: But I d I definitely don't think it's a five , project manager: that's that's think about it la later on marketing: but project manager: and  marketing: Remote control is easy to use . project manager: Remote control will be bought by marketing: It will be bought by people under the age of forty . project manager: Well industrial designer: In in and comparing with  people of th of the age above ? marketing: No no no . marketing: Antek ? industrial designer: Yes , two , but only in c when you compare it with with elderly . marketing: W w industrial designer: When it succeeds ,  it can get a two , mu marketing: Right , the rem The remote control has recognisable corporate image , colour , logo or slogan . marketing: Can we see the slogan ? project manager: Yeah , you can put that on the side if if we would like to . industrial designer: Yes ,  encrypted  with project manager: Yeah , and I will I th still think it's gonna be a two or a three . Because of the slogan project manager: And  marketing: Remote control's got a basic design intended  for novice users . marketing: Alright , we project manager: Yeah , and that's mostly the inno marketing: yeah . So project manager: Because I I still think that the most important part of this meeting still has marketing: We did a pretty nice job until now . project manager: I'm gonna open the spreadsheet and we're gonna work this out together , because I didn't really fin  I have a . project manager: we we  indicate the amount of components of the specif specific component , how much we need of them .  , I think we should know how many simple chips , regular chips industrial designer:  it's it's one one chip , but but you have to choose one from it . But industrial designer: The simple chip is e enough I I think , but with the lights with the lights and the retrieval , it can be  marketing: I don't know project manager: Where did we find this information ? Was it marketing: I haven't got an idea on on which we need to use , really . project manager: I think it was  your job in the first  meet  , f your first presentation to make this clear , but then you had some t time problems . industrial designer: The the email I got said  simple chip , but when we put in the speaker and the retriever  device , it will  cost a a bit more , like I think the advanced chip maybe . Did it point out what to use them for ? industrial designer: Bec No , the they didn't know about a retriever or a speaker  in it . When we don't when we leave the  retriever and such aside , what industrial designer: Then it's a simple chip . industrial designer: Yes , I I I s I marketing: Alright , well , point out the advanced chip for now , I guess . project manager: Yeah , I don't know about the special colour , but I think w  industrial designer: Otherwise , you get  a standard  plastic colour . user interface: I don't marketing: I don't know if it's very special . industrial designer: St project manager: I think you have to indicate the amount of push-buttons we want to use , isn't it ? user interface: Whoa , it's a little project manager: Well that's bit of a problem , industrial designer: Yes . project manager: because I re but I really don't understand that , because I can imagine a remote control with far more push-buttons , and it wouldn't be possible according to this  sheet . industrial designer: No , it's only  when you use push-buttons , it will cost that much . Yeah , it wouldn't marketing: The the the yellow row is the amount of project manager: Fill in the number of components you plan to use in the and the total cost I don't know . user interface: Is that one or is that nine buttons ? industrial designer: You can have  project manager: And I count them like this . project manager: And plus these two , f  plus the mute button , and it's will be  eighteen . Y I do I don't get the point , because it's would be s relatively so expensive , just these m small buttons . user interface: Is it cents , the the the fifty cents a button ? marketing: Fifty cents for one single stupid button . industrial designer: So , whe when you so then it project manager: Well , okay , well well let's make it just one . industrial designer: It's eighty percent of the price of the of the amount of project manager: Here , now it's now it's already s marketing: Yeah , exactly . project manager: shall we just give our own interpretation to , user interface: project manager: because else we would really have a problem . It would be impossible to make it marketing: I can't user interface: It's way marketing: I I I couldn't understand it if it was fifty cents per   per button . industrial designer: When you have the same amount of button , you have to put in wi in your carton . industrial designer: And then throw it marketing: Yeah , yeah , industrial designer: project manager: This is the most simple user interface: No , no no . industrial designer: But whe project manager: industrial designer: I've seen one  one remote control with only the pu yeah , only with  page up , page down and volume , project manager: marketing: No , really . user interface: Yeah ,  industrial designer: but but marketing: Yeah , but I d I wouldn't want to own that . industrial designer: but but it isn't fo Yes , it's for it's li  it's just for a little user interface: Yeah , that's no option , that's no option .  , I think we should mark the special form thing , because it this will be some special forms incorporated in these big buttons , I guess . user interface: A special colour , why a special colour ? project manager: Because the buttons will be  d will be matching colour between the buttons and the rubber surroundings . user interface: But wha what s what special ? project manager: I think that's the what they mean by a special colour . industrial designer: Otherwise it would be the marketing: I don't think the special form is really true . project manager: I think all the special colour things have to be marked over here , because that's what we were planning to do , making it industrial designer: Special form also , it says . project manager: Yeah , special material r also , marketing: Is it ? project manager: because i has rubber . project manager: 'Kay , but the problem now is that the There's no such thing as a docking station in this list , but we can all imagine that it would be impossible to make a docking station for thirty cents . And and but we don't have to tell it , but what we can say of can  almost make it impossible to buy a remote control without the docking station . industrial designer: user interface: project manager: It  but it then the docking station isn't relevant for this project anymore , but we can marketing: No . project manager: but then you still have to use we have to find out what chip we u need . project manager: Yeah , I think that's what what what they  mean industrial designer: But for two Euros and thirty cents , we  we don't get a docking station . project manager: But can we find out  about  this chips ? Because when we don't need a d a docking station , then probably we also have only we also need a simple chip . Oh , n  oh , still industrial designer: For project manager: oh , it's gonna get more expensive with . marketing:  i i if you if it would cost two Euros , that had a total a total thing , it would be nice too ,   we're not gonna add  a trip to Hawaii to it . user interface: But what what can we do project manager: Yeah , or we can ki do the kinetic cells . user interface: But  what can we do with the simple chip and what's difference with a regular chip and a advanced chip ? project manager: Yeah that's what then what he has to find out . Maybe you can  find it in your email right now , then we know then we exactly know what it will cost us . user interface: Regular chip and because we don't have  special functions to use  in advanced chip , for example . project manager: Yeah , bu bu but when we yeah , but when we skip when we  when we don't use the do we're not gonna make the docking station , then we still yeah , we need something else maybe to make it kind of special , marketing: I like the hand dynamo part . marketing:  project manager: Yeah , okay , you can also do that , but maybe marketing: Wi wi without recharge project manager: It still is a special remote control cons  you know , wi its form is special and material . marketing: Yeah , but but we can make a docking station for two Euros  if you don't put the recharge function in it . project manager: Yeah , but for two Euros , then we have still maybe we have to use the advanced chip , marketing: Of course it has a shape , but i i project manager: then two Euros isn't even possible . marketing: Why should that not be possible ? project manager: Yeah , then because then we'd thirty cents left . marketing: No , for for the  for the docking station if you do if you choose the simple chip . project manager: Yeah , but yeah , I don't know , because maybe d  yeah , we have to find out with the simple chip . If we do i do we need an advanced chip , or is it okay f project manager: Yeah , and w and and we  need f marketing: Yes . industrial designer: It isn't in my information , I  I I've got a schematic view of the remote control , but nothing about  advanced chips or project manager: You can look at it for s presentation . industrial designer:  I've got here in  user interface: No no , they were  mine , yeah . industrial designer: But that was my second project manager: Yeah , it was your second marketing: It's already open . industrial designer:  project manager: this is n this is not this n user interface: Was it working design or components design ? marketing: Sorry . project manager: You know that a push-button requires a simple chip , but a scroll-wheel , it it me requires industrial designer: Ah , okay . project manager: it s  only states that a scroll-wheel requires a regular chip , and that a display requires an advanced chip . project manager: And what's the sample sensor slash sample speaker ? industrial designer: Maybe you can say against the remote  page  f  page up , page down . user interface: Yeah , lights , yeah , there's no marketing: Well , there're three , I guess . user interface: Can we do it wi within two two Euro ? marketing: I think we can make a docking station . project manager: Okay , but what we have to think about now is that is is it still a special remote control ? But  it isn't it hasn't got any innovative technology , we aren't gonna apply any  innovated innovative te technology anyway , I think . I don't I don't see any possibility to do so , because it would wouldn't fit our defi design philosophy . Instead of the rechargeable the rechargeable thing was something to  know , so y so people wouldn't have to worry about their batteries anymore . marketing: M bu project manager: Maybe we if we put the kinetic thing in it industrial designer: But but sometimes you put a project manager: Yeah , you leave the p yeah , I know , but still I they will think about that .  if you u industrial designer: Kinetics aren't  nowadays only used in watches and that's because you're always walking . project manager: The  it's made for s people well , the they don't if it was   r useless technology , they wouldn't put it  as a possibility . project manager: And i it it th th the the target marketing: Or the hand dynamo dynamo project manager: the target  group are people who zap regularly and throw with their remote control as a matter of speaking . project manager: Because I think it when when there w was a remote control where it was useful to have a kinetic   power source , then it would be this one . Because it's one it gets thrown around thrown around a lot and it gets used a lot Hey that maybe that's cool that's a cool thing about it , you know . marketing: Yeah , but but if we ca project manager: I've never seen it before in a remote control . project manager: Yeah , we can als or  also m we we can make one user interface: Wow , w why no li marketing: We can make a docking station for two thirty . project manager: we can still make user interface: Look at now , we got two industrial designer: Fo for a docking station . Ca can't we make a docking station of that ? marketing: We can make a docking station . project manager: Yeah , but be serious , then  the docking station will be a fifth of the price of the remote control . industrial designer: Wi with a button to user interface: Well , we we  industrial designer: wi with a button to retrieve it , so it will beep . project manager: Yeah , but we  we don't inc we haven't looked at the these costs of the speaker and other stuff . industrial designer: Look at the case , project manager: Oh , because we industrial designer: the case the case of of  of  user interface: Yeah , then we don't have any innovation things .  maybe it with the kinetic thing , I think we could do  do a compromise  with the kim kinetic thing . user interface: marketing: No , sta yeah  industrial designer: No , then we have to sell it for thirty Euros . project manager: Yeah , I don my suggestion is to just forget about the whole docking station thing and make it  like a   I I I I still fee I also feel this concept of making it kinetic , because of the you know , it g it gives something dynamic to the remote control . industrial designer: user interface: project manager: Yeah , and it is also not a good it's not you have to really do it only kinetic , you don't want it to think about batteries anymore . marketing: And I think only industrial designer: Yes , but when it's then when it marketing: Yeah , but only kinetic , then you gotta project manager: No no . industrial designer: then you have to shake it  and all when it's when it's empty . user interface: industrial designer: project manager: When you use it your remote like once a day , or maybe even less i i it industrial designer: You asked for three d No , that's n that's not true . Becau be but a remote control gets why do they state that this technology can be used if it industrial designer: Yes , solar cells are also stated . project manager: Yeah , m but a w   n  a calculator also works on r on solar cells . industrial designer: Why don't we use solar cells then ? project manager: Because I think the d whole dynamic part , do you know , appeals to me qui  thinking of our design philosophy , you know , with the rubber parts and  sturdiness of the thing , and y when you move it around a lot , then people find the idea funny that when I move my remote control around and industrial designer: That's true . I guess something like that , where you have to move it around very frequently , is demotivating . project manager: Okay , then we d Okay , well y we don't have to do it , but what that would just have a lack of key features , you know . You have to make people buy it and  We can really can do the docking thing ,  it's not yeah ,  we can do it , but it's would be a easy way out . project manager: Okay , but we have to grou to agree upon something , industrial designer: The c The case the case alone is is is  project manager: because  we only have a minute left or so . Okay , w b we can s we can leave it on be well then then th it's this is then then our concept is ready . user interface: It w it won't tell , but industrial designer: But now marketing: No , this not gonna sell . marketing: We come back tomorrow , okay ? project manager: No no  there's still there's still someth concept and something special left . project manager:  we're gonna it's gonna excel in in on in the the range in the field of design and and  looks and feel . Yeah , and I would li I would have liked a kinetic part as well , to give it some just to give it some extra special feature , and  I know it will work , but  it's it's an They're they're not putting technologies on this , but if it if it was impossible to to make it happen . industrial designer: Why not a hand dynamo then ? user interface: project manager: Okay , well we leave it like this . project manager: Okay , project e  industrial designer: Is this it ? project manager: well , we were gonna what look take a look at the last sheet . I don't see why , but industrial designer: Where's the champagne ? marketing: I think we gotta fill out another questionnaire , to be honest . user interface: Can we can't we do it here ? marketing: I don't think so


project manager: I've  made a presentation  but  I'll open it on the Smartboard , so we can all see it . project manager: So it's in the project documents because that's what we can find here . So  I'm the Project Manager , so I had to fill it in , marketing: 'Kay .  we'll do the opening and then  we'll meet each other , what  we already do , so , that's not  very much trouble . I'll I'll show you the the tools we have here , so that we can all use them . marketing: project manager: We'll discuss about our first ideas about the project , and then  we'll close the meeting , and then we can  individually  do our things and then  we'll get back here . And  Well it has to be a have the the right  the right buttons on the right place , that kin those kind of things .  so every time we we'll do some individual work , get meeting , talk about it ,  and then go into the next phase .  well as I just showed , there's a project management folder , a project document folder on the desktop . You just  click on the on the folder and you open the everything you you put in it with your laptop .  and the w the r  the rest  also works the same so  when you open a notepad you  you just get your  things , you can  draw . industrial designer: user interface: industrial designer: Maybe you should try to write on the on the big white  project manager: Yes I will industrial designer: Does it ? Yeah . project manager:  just we can start a new one , and we just go on , and don't throw anything away . So  we all  are going to  draw a nice animal on this board , user interface: industrial designer: marketing: project manager: not my idea . So  I'm to going to have to draw a kangaroo , industrial designer: project manager: but I'm going d I'm not going to . industrial designer: I hope this was part of the assignment and not  your  project manager: Yeah , 'kay . project manager: but I am the Project Manager , industrial designer: project manager: and officially this is my idea . project manager: what ? marketing: We're losing time , but project manager: Ah the first the first meeting is just a bit  loose , loosen up , a bit  meeting each other industrial designer: so start marketing: Alright . project manager: I hope our Industrial Designer does this better because  this is  industrial designer: Don't  count on it . marketing: Do we have to guess ? project manager: Yes yes marketing: A hippo ? project manager: guess . marketing: project manager: We're going back and now  our Industrial Designer can  draw its  most favourite animal . project manager: what kind of animal is that then ? industrial designer: I think can I say it ? marketing: Yeah sure . marketing: project manager: No no save it and start a new  save it and start a new black  doc a blank document . industrial designer: These are very important documents , of course ,  these drawings ,  project manager: Yeah well we have to save everything marketing: Yes  right . project manager: So  well you should  try it but  marketing: I should have made mine a white rabbit . marketing: project manager: What the industrial designer: It looks like an  project manager:  just a duck . project manager: Is it a duck ? marketing: You're standing in front of it , industrial designer: It's it's  project manager: Is it a plane ? marketing: I can't see it . Yeah it's a bird , but what kind of bird ? industrial designer: project manager: It doesn't draw  circles  that easy  . industrial designer: But we have  do we have to name the specific species of the bird ? marketing: Release your anger . project manager: and then  user interface: marketing: project manager: And then a a new blank document for . industrial designer: Why do I have to do the difficult tasks ? project manager: No well first industrial designer:  pen project manager: yeah . project manager: And then you go to format I think , and current colour industrial designer:  current colour . Just a wa that's the way we do industrial designer:  project manager: it's quite easy . project manager: industrial designer: Well if this isn't obvious project manager: Well well  marketing: Just save it . project manager: Well it's terrific , eh ? user interface: industrial designer: Thanks for this exercise . We're we want to sell it at twenty five Euros internationally  so  but we dunno what exactly th i it is in dollars , but  twenty five Euros . industrial designer: So project manager: we want to keep it our costs at twelve and a half Euros so , keep  that in mind when we  talk about our  materials an f and stuff , and  marketing  research . project manager: Now then we all  we can  sit down and discuss  what do we think about our current remote controls , first about design  about  aim in the market etcetera ? marketing: Right . We can  take notes and  Well who has  some  remarks about the current  remote controls ? Please ? industrial designer: Well I I didn't have to prepare anything about  project manager: No  I did . industrial designer: it's not , it's it's not my task to  talk about  experience with current remote controls , but  project manager: Well  just w we're  four  if we if we would just have one then marketing: I think it's im it's important to  look at  the remote controls of our competitors . marketing: On our corporate site I saw  a new D_V_D_ player  we're gonna produce . marketing: Maybe it's important to make it compatible with the D_V_D_ player project manager: That would be a nice idea , yes . marketing: so you can  use your television and your D_V_D_ player with the same  remote control . marketing: Furthermore it's important to make it  acceptable for the whole world , for different cultures , maybe , because we want to we want to well fifty million ? project manager: Yes fifty million is our aim to a profit , so . marketing: Yeah yeah user interface: marketing: so a lot of people have to be able to use it . industrial designer: No but  the b the buttons have to  have to have  international recognisable buttons and  marketing: So user interface: Easy to learn . project manager: I'll make  notes and then  maybe  well I'll put it in the project  folder when I'm done  just now . project manager: Y y you don't use  the half of them that's that's user interface: Precisely . marketing: Maybe we could make one button to switch between D_V_D_ player and T_V_ user interface: Yeah . industrial designer: Yeah so it doesn't  become too complicated with too much buttons and  marketing: Yeah right . project manager: Yep , and maybe we do  we even have  more than just a D_V_D_ player . Don't we have  other  ou user interface: Yeah we should make it compatible perhaps with everything we use , we  we make ? project manager:  . marketing: Yeah so but th that's kind kind of standard T_ television so it also works on that . user interface: And I think the people who who will buy our  remote already have some experience with remotes . industrial designer: It doesn't project manager: It doesn't have to be , but we can . user interface: industrial designer: it doesn't have to be user interface: W well it's a n it's a new remote and you don't buy a remote if you don't have anything to  to control with it . user interface: Yeah alright , but marketing: We need to to keep it consistent with other d  project manager: Yeah because we look at competitors industrial designer: Well . project manager: and w if we pick up the good things about that and give it a nice design industrial designer:  . industrial designer: you can make it  triangle shaped , user interface: Well we we could make more more oval or something , and and industrial designer: but that's not  very recognisable . project manager: Oo industrial designer: Oval ? project manager: N we can use  it as a as a game pad . user interface: Yeah or so industrial designer: I project manager: So one hand has the beer , so the other hand  user interface: Well yeah it's new . user interface: but young people want something different marketing: No user interface: and it is project manager: Well i we already  marketing: Yeah but it's quite important that it fits . project manager: one of our aims is that it has to be original and trendy so user interface: Yeah . But you still have to know it's a remote and not another project manager: Well there has been done a lot of researches about remotes  we have to we can imagine  user interface: Yeah alright . project manager: for me personally I have a a lot of remotes  at home but those ones that have a a round ending and  well  just an  square  middle I don't like to use them . project manager: When it falls over it and I just have and then the button that I use most has to be here . project manager: It f it fits your hands and then you just push the button that you use most with thumb . marketing: Nah I don't agree with the long box  shape industrial designer: Why not ? marketing: it it has to be custom made for the hand . project manager: Tho tho those new D_V_D_ players on the market do have those . industrial designer: But it does fit in the hand if you hold it like this , and you can make it another shape , marketing: Yeah but if you shape it industrial designer: but then you have user interface: No if y if you look at new Phillips  D_V_D_ with their  remotes pl players they they are the new remotes aren't box shaped . marketing: industrial designer: W no w what else ? marketing: No that's ol old fashioned . industrial designer: Yeah well but  what what what do you suggest then ? user interface: Yes  marketing: I can imagine that us user interface: Well most of of them are are somewhat thicker at the end , and get  yeah thinner towards the  the other end . industrial designer: but it's still then  the the long box ,  but then with some  round  round forms in it to fit your hand , user interface: Yeah it project manager: Well marketing:  ? project manager: A it h it has it it has a that's tha th th shape that it fits your hand . industrial designer: but it's it's still Yeah yeah al alright project manager: That's industrial designer: but but it's still it's still sort of box , yeah . user interface: Yeah yea industrial designer: It it has round forms marketing: Well industrial designer: but it in the end it's still the box , so that's what  . industrial designer: Yeah yeah I understand , but no no I don't mean an entire box like completely square marketing: It shouldn't be too boxy , you know . industrial designer: but in in in at the end it's still this long box shape with convenient  round  shapes  to fit . project manager: marketing: Right maybe something like this industrial designer: Yeah yes marketing: and then a button here to switch between different systems like D_V_D_ player industrial designer: I thought about something like that . marketing: and so you can I've industrial designer: A big recognisable button on top or something . marketing: Yeah right , and I do think we have to keep this kind of idea with the with the numbers and user interface: Yeah . industrial designer: The buttons should  also be not too small , not too big , of course , marketing: Right . marketing: But it should be possible to to  make it ap apparent that there are two functions for every button . user interface: Yeah maybe we can  just like on cell phones those  well you can you can put on on them , industrial designer: Colours , yeah . user interface: and so you can customise your  your own remote with different colours or or special paint jobs marketing: That's kinda trendy . user interface: I dunno but industrial designer: I think we have to talk also about  the the materials for  project manager: Well it's just  about our first ideas now user interface: Well industrial designer: . project manager: so I think individually we'll have to  come up with ideas for the next meeting about these materials and markets etcetera . But project manager: Yes ? industrial designer: Already thought about something tha marketing: I think it's  it's important to  notate all the the decisions that we make , project manager: Yes . industrial designer: we have some some minutes left  I w wrote down  that the case should be plastic of course , hard plastic , the buttons should be  rubbery I think  . project manager: Well I have had remotes that  they had  the function of the buttons was about   a layer over the buttons user interface: . industrial designer: No n n project manager: and when I've had use it much it was gone . Is there an a universal  universal way of  transmitting from the remote to the television so it's all about  industrial designer: I think so . industrial designer: It's a a common stan standard way project manager: It's not that in China it's different ? marketing: Yep . But y you can have  of course different between D_V_D_s and televisions and between marketing: And you can use industrial designer: It it's a we we make an a universal remote so it ha has to work with  all kinds of brands and things . But our T_V_s are mostly made in China and that sort of country , so project manager: Probably yes . user interface: industrial designer: And have well yeah I've wrote something down about how it works . The user presses a button and with an infrared beam it signals the television set accordingly , project manager: marketing: But are industrial designer: but that's pretty obvious , I think . project manager: user interface: marketing: Are we going w  with the front  fronts  idea ? project manager: Well I think  w we can look into that in the in the next  thirty minutes . marketing: and you can always use a front front on it , you know ? You can use it just plain project manager: Yes . project manager: Well j just y you get a n a normal front with it , but you can change them  when you buy the user interface: Yeah . project manager: And we should  dispatch those kind of fronts fronts a a around the world so  user interface:  . user interface: Well you can make profit with them , and it's a way to make them trendy . project manager: Well th those fifty million don't  don't se sells itself so we have to  make  some extra effort like fronts  . industrial designer: Well but th but the standard front will be  just grey or something user interface: Yeah alright . Yeah well it has to it h it has to fit the the te television and D_V_D_ set we are going to sell , user interface: No a colour everyone accepts . project manager: so if they are  black and black black and silver we'll make them black and silver so user interface:  . user interface: project manager: If you have a a a television room for little children and you make a if if you buy a a pink front they'll they'll love it . Well our user interface you can  maybe  I don't know what your specific instructions will be , but  probably about  the precision of the buttons and and those kind of things and what buttons will have to be on the  remote . industrial designer:  yeah also the the look and feel  of the the remote's also my task , yeah . user interface: What's the  url or the website 'cause I didn't get marketing: Right . marketing: It's Yeah yeah yeah just if you start up your Internet Explorer project manager: Well it it it's user interface: Yeah . project manager: if you  industrial designer: It's the the the start  starting page  user interface: Oh oh right oh well I didn't  use it . user interface: project manager: Well  we're going to back  back into our rooms so user interface: Yes . user interface: Next meeting is in project manager: In thirty minutes , but  I think it will be you will be warned  through your laptop  to get over here . user interface: Yeah alright it's it's handy to know project manager: I'll have to restore my  my desktop  industrial designer: Very handy to know . project manager: Ma industrial designer: W marketing: Oh user interface: S project manager: W that was a nice meeting


Who starts ? project manager: Well I'll  start just with another presentation , so then we can  look at th at the agenda  for this meeting . project manager: Well  in we'll  just have a look at the at the notes from the previous meeting , what we  thought we had dec decided . Y you also have  received that mail , the new project requirements from our bosses ? industrial designer: No . project manager: Well I think we should show them before your presentations , because it's not really  smart  to  to include some things  we can't , because of the new requirements . project manager: We have to deb we have to decide it in this meeting what our function will be . So we said that  we have to merge the strong points from our  competitors , and  look at their  remote controls . project manager: We should make it  compatible with our new D_V_D_ and other releases we have , our technical releases . And  well they can have two functions , because  you have a D_V_D_ and a television . industrial designer: marketing: project manager: Yeah well that wa It's just thirty minutes ago , user interface: project manager: so it's not quite  But well I have to do it . project manager: The materials  well should be hard plastic with rubber from , and  well the labelling of the buttons should be indestructible . industrial designer: I I disagree , but  it's not  t it's not my place to disagree I guess . project manager: Well the second is a bit sh pity because we just said we wanted to d include the D_V_D_ user interface: Oh . project manager: and they don't want it , because of our time we have for this project . project manager: So that's a shame , because  especially for the third requirement we want to reach people under the thirty years .  well it's a bit pity because it's just those people want to have  one remote control for all those technical devices they can  reach it . user interface: project manager: Well and  our corporate image should stay rec recognisable in our products . So  we have to  use  maybe a slogan , maybe a colour , and  Yeah well  on our remote controls the design has to be  , well as we already said a actually ,  familiar . project manager: So maybe that's a slogan we can put  somewhere on our remote control or something . project manager: Oh you have to start ? I didn't see anything about  who had to start . marketing: I I just have to  to think which file's mine , user interface: marketing: 'cause I was  bit in a hurry .  next sheet ?  at first I tell you something about what people dislike about the current  controls , because it's  a smart thing to exclude those things .  They also say , that's about  I thought it was fifty per cent ,  that more money will be spent on  better looking controls . So it's really important to make the the buttons for the common  tasks kind of big or kind of  flashy . Thus it might be  might be smart to make a a big  zapping button or something in the middle , so you can reach it with your thumb . industrial designer: project manager: marketing: So it might be sensible to make some kind of a button on your television , that's your  your control beeps or something , that you can find this very easily . marketing: 'Cause it's  a big I think fifty per cent of the users loses his its control , within the same room . industrial designer: Oh ? project manager: It should actually  It should actually be loose from the television , user interface: Yeah . So if you deliver a small  click-on device that you can put on your television , that bleeps to your remote control , everyone can use it . marketing: Yeah but what if you lose your click-on device ? project manager: No you can click it on your television . marketing: Yeah but if someone d somebody else uses it in ano other room or something ? project manager: Yeah in another room , yeah . marketing: Nee but it it specifically says it's  the the control is lost in the same room . marketing: So Well a beeping device would be project manager: Well we'll have a look at it , yeah . So the the learning curve should be very short  for the dumbest people should be able to use it . user interface: industrial designer: I think our  user  expert should also consider manual a manual for the remote , of course . industrial designer: users to  add one ? Do you think ? user interface: I don't think marketing: I think you should put more time in the in the design of  pick up and use , than a manual . Yes you should You should could take a look at it and and and know how it how it's supposed to work . industrial designer: Well maybe for the If you don't recognise a button who d who d who do I call  wh when I don't know it ? marketing: Alright . But  the designer should  take it  should  Wie zeg ik dat ? Yeah , consider the consequences of using your remote .  , we're Like the requirements said , we're gonna specify of we're gonna target a younger audience .  research shows that they like to have a little L_C_D_ screen on their on their  zapping  device .  I thought it was the age between sixteen and twenty , ninety nine per cent of  the people like that . project manager: Well marketing: So it's very important we should definitely have that in our  designs . project manager: Well with twelve Euro fifty as production cost , we can't  afford an L_C_D_  industrial designer: It's going to be expensive . marketing: So if we want to s If we have a big If we make lots of  of the stuff , maybe we can  buy it very cheap , I dunno . project manager: Yeah well  it's your your task to  look into the costs  of those  industrial designer: We'll think abo we'll think marketing: Yeah , I don't know . project manager: It's not yet a standard  development  those so user interface: No and we have customers in multiple  countries I think . project manager: We sh marketing: Well I do think L_C_D_ is more reachable than the speech recognition . Okay , how do you enlarge it , so that you can have the project manager: F_ five . industrial designer:  well  I think it's important  for you to realise the basic function of a remote control . industrial designer: And I then can select I can select on the dings It goes to the next page . You have  basically  the energy , the power of the of the remote control ,  and the sender , w which is the LED , the the the the the the the the the bulb that sends the the infrared beam to the , no , to the set . user interface: industrial designer: And the the user interface sends  the the different signals of the different buttons to the chip , and the chip  sends it to the LED , and the LED sends it to the receiver . marketing: industrial designer:  well I have   put it in a in in in a a couple of basic steps . project manager: industrial designer: The chip  produces Morse code ,  a specific code to indicate that specific button that is pressed , of course . And it uses transistors in the in the remote control to amplify and to send  that signal again to the to the LED , which is the bulb , of course . project manager: industrial designer: Now the LED produces an infrared beam and signals the , well it's  very simple , and signals the  signals to the sensor on the T_V_ set , project manager: Yeah . marketing: industrial designer: and the T_V_ set  also recognises the the the signal , and performs the assigned task . project manager: So it is also why we have to have a button that says  I'm now busy with a D_V_D_  if we had done that . And  if we if we're going to add an  an  L_C_D_ screen to it , it  won't look anything like this , but This is very basic  basically the the shape of  of a remote control . It has  very little buttons and user interface: industrial designer: But it it  it's it's quite  Yeah , you can easily recognise the buttons . So we have to  change a little bit  to that ,  so that  it becomes more user-friendly , and that  problems like  R_S_I_ and  those kinds of thing don't don't oc don't occur . marketing: But I think it's very important to make  the power , channel and volume buttons  near to the thumb , so you can't have R_S_I_  consequences . industrial designer: Yeah , because they are the the most important buttons and you can immediately marketing: Right . project manager: Well but but user interface: You can also like industrial designer: You don't have to look and and search for them . project manager: if you have  the most used buttons all in one place , and you keep making the same  well moves . project manager: But if y if you would put it at a different place , then you have to move your hands , user interface: project manager: and that's on of the things about R_S_I_ . marketing: We project manager: No but the most important buttons m maybe you can just put them a bit apart so you would reject R_ R_S_I_ R_S_I_ . And user interface: Maybe you can make , for for channel changing , two little buttons on the side of the remote , so you can just do like this . Like some  little  Gameboy things or some project manager: Yes I've saw that on m on mi mobile telephones they also have  those buttons . marketing: But is that is that useable ? user interface:  ? marketing: Do people ,  when they pick up a remote , know that they have to do that ? project manager: user interface: Well marketing: It's a f it's a new feature , project manager: Well it it's industrial designer: Yeah . user interface: Yeah alright , but project manager: Well also i if someone puts picks up his  remote user interface: Yeah , but if you s say them up and down , they they'll understand it , I think . If someone puts up i  picks up his remote , and he picks up it he he touches the side then he's a already on the next channel . industrial designer: But in e in any case the the basic function should be  indeed , and as you say at the thumb . industrial designer: I think that's a good idea , and  and that the less important  buttons , like the the the different channels ,  the numbers one two three four five as well , should be  yeah well not in reach , because  they don't use it  all the time . industrial designer: And I have some pictures of the inside workings , but  I don't want to get too technical , project manager: Oh I had to delete this , but I had to make a schematic  of the of the new marketing: Alright . industrial designer: But I had too too little time , marketing: industrial designer: but  don't  don't look at it please . project manager: Well then we have still the time , so But we do have to come to a decision , right later on . project manager: user interface: Well I thought  everybody on the website  would see the same thing , but obviously that's not the case . user interface: The the method ? Well I used my own experience with remotes , took a good l look  at the remotes on the corporate website , which are these two . user interface:  marketing: These are already in use ? user interface: Yes , these are from from another  manufacturer . user interface:  Well , I thought  that we  reduce the the option to control the D_V_D_ also , and teletext and that kind of stuff . user interface: So we can can  yeah customise the project manager: Well absolutely , but i th they all have to have something about  the recognition from our company . user interface: You can marketing: But it project manager: So if y if you make a a front with just a a tiger on it , then  our recognition is totally gone . marketing: Yeah , that's right user interface: Or you can you can can put the same symbol on on every remote . So the symbol's always on user interface: Yeah ? industrial designer: Yeah , so that you don't replace the symbol , yeah . Something like that , project manager: Or the th the the lowest part of the remote isn't changed by the front . I think  industrial designer: Mike ,  can you put  that picture from me on the in the Word documents file ? In Map ? user interface: Yeah , I will . project manager: Yeah ? marketing:  there are two target audi audiences , and we've  chose for the younger one . project manager: Well what if we  I at I at home have a remote that has  the most familiar  buttons on the top , and the bottom side of the front has a little clip , marketing: project manager: a f a little  You can click away and then you have f much more functions that most people don't use but s some do do . project manager: Well but because you say they their features are important , they want m  a lot , industrial designer: No   usually marketing: Yeah right . industrial designer: But project manager: but not user interface: Yeah , but what kind of features ? Like L_C_D_ screens and voice recognition . marketing: You see ? So we must build in something , or they will to  go to the concurrent . project manager: On  some  calculators you have lo those little little L_C_D_ th that you can click on or something , marketing: Right . project manager: Those kind of things ,  because you also have those  those program recognition for your V_ V_C_R_s . And  well if y if your remote picks that up also , you they can display which programme you're currently watching . So it it just signals the the different  sig  the different symbols on the screen you have , project manager: Yeah . industrial designer:  because if you change to s channel two you have two on the screen and two on your on your  on your L_C_D_ screen . It it could be such a little  th that you can click in and out and you and you have it . user interface: It will industrial designer: But should it  really be  clickable ,  project manager: Well maybe . industrial designer: But that's of course  a bit more  expensive than  the basic  calculator design , with the scrolling text and that kind of thing . project manager: Well I think it's you got It just means it's a script that's  keeps it  rolling , marketing: Well it's just one script . project manager: and it's not  That's five minutes off  implementing time I think  marketing: Yeah , five minutes of ja ja for programming . marketing: Alright , we go with the L_C_D_ screen ? project manager:  well I think so , yes . Right , I don't know if I can find that , but project manager: We're g No but we're we'll have to look into that . user interface: Or maybe you will get that information  project manager:  we can use this board again , I think . user interface: At the top or at the bottom ? industrial designer: The L_C_D_ screen alright but we should start with the power button ? marketing: I think the top is more  project manager: Yeah . industrial designer:  user interface: Yeah but marketing: When you s How do you zap ? project manager: marketing: You just sit in your chair ? project manager: industrial designer: Huh ? user interface: Yeah but with with the L_C_D_ screen on the top it gets a bit unnatural . industrial designer: And then  marketing: We'll draw two , and then we'll see  industrial designer: Maybe we should  centralise the discussion here . I dunno what  you were talking about but marketing: No industrial designer: we are busy with something . He thinks it's better to put the L_C_D_ at the bottom , and I think it's better at the top . Why do you think it's better at the bottom ? user interface:  well because most  remotes have  some space left at the bottom , and that way you can keep the shape recognisable for everybody . marketing: But your user interface: I c industrial designer: But you just can put  the the the the the whole interface a bit down , so that there's room for the for the interface . user interface: Well I d I think that's that's ugly but marketing: The the ticker The L_C_D_ is like like small . But project manager: Well I th I think Mike Mike has a point , user interface: I th industrial designer: And and we can project manager: because  when when  when I use a remote I l I hate the buttons but buttons at the at the bottom . project manager: So when I u when I have to have an L_C_D_ s scr window marketing: Yeah right . marketing: We industrial designer: It looks more like a calculator to people , if you have the l the the the thing on top . user interface: Yeah you don't want project manager: We don't want them to look like a calculator . project manager: We want to look it like our original but familiar industrial designer: Yeah w well , user interface: Yeah . industrial designer: but  you don't have to throw   important aspe important aspect like familiarity  completely away , marketing: High-tech . project manager: Yea industrial designer:  because I think it's  marketing: project manager: Maybe a bic  better  white  We White ? industrial designer: I think it's still important to have it at the top , marketing: Width .  format yeah format ? Line width ? Width ? industrial designer: because it's  it's more familiar that way . Well project manager: Well  let's  talk about that later  industrial designer: Maybe you should another pen . marketing: I think we have  a few functions , and we can put  the L_C_D_ above it , and still have lots of room at the bottom , where you can put your hand . user interface: At the bottom ? industrial designer: Well I'm the I I'm the designer , so  user interface: In a few minutes marketing: At the bot user interface: Oh yeah , oh yeah , I totally agree . project manager: Well but  what what if we we first decide the different functions , user interface: He's the boss . marketing: And moreover I think that you two should be  come to consensus about the L_C_D_ s . industrial designer: While you have to agree , I can say it's like this and you must agree . project manager: We have a power button , setting buttons , L_C_D_ window , the number buttons user interface: The ten numbers ? Yeah ? industrial designer: Channel , yeah . user interface: I think we we should use something like this  to  The the channel up and channel down button ? Yeah , in circle , you know ? project manager: Yes . project manager: Well h ho industrial designer: But th th on this remote th these controls are for something else , a D_V_D_ player or something . They are for some  video  user interface: Yes , as I already said , we could drop some of these buttons . When when you  put them all in the same place , the most used buttons , you're doing the same thing all the time , project manager: marketing: and that's just what R_S_I_'s all about . industrial designer: Yeah , it's it's also not good to completely stay in one position constantly with one hand . project manager: That's what I always do , industrial designer: Y project manager: because all my i important buttons are the same place . project manager: Yes ? user interface: Yeah but people don't like it when their buttons are all over the place . industrial designer: No but now y W would we have to choose a way in middle ? marketing: Frequency of  button use . marketing: So the the channel  channel buttons should be far far apart , I think , up and down . project manager: Up and down far apart from each other ? industrial designer: Far apart ? marketing: You thinking  about R_S_I_ ? user interface: Yeah but project manager: Well not too much . industrial designer: marketing: Nei not too much , but user interface: The other the other two  frustrations are far more important . So industrial designer: I think you can have the two buttons of up and down close together , but you don't have  have to have volume control and and zapping button close together . project manager: Well for example the power button , you can user interface: Well they are used four times an hour , so project manager: If someone is constantly z zapping , it's not going to miss , that it that the power button is not right beside it . project manager: The power button can  be   user interface: Power bu button should be left at the top . marketing: The most important things we have to  project manager:  how are we going to do it with those numbers ? industrial designer: C c can you make you make We can use  the drawing board now , I think .  it it doesn't work well but But it it would be pretty pretty  nice if we could just draw a simple thing . project manager: Well user interface: Well consensus ,  We we can put it in the middle , so project manager: Well it's a bit hard , because we are going to be  individually . We're No project manager: That's a bit  marketing: We're deciding now , so project manager: Yes . marketing: Top or bottom ? industrial designer: Well  yeah I I still think it's it's quite important though to  to have it at the top , so project manager: Yes it is . You say familiarity isn't important but project manager: Well what if we're going to now decide about the functions , and the design comes into the next round ? Plus the d th the design round is still to come huh ? marketing: Okay . industrial designer: As we we we we agreed , we do have a L_C_D_ . Are we going to  do it like  on Mike's screen with  one button that says I'm going to do a t two number digital ? user interface: No . project manager: How do you want it to do then ? user interface: Well just when you push a one one and industrial designer: There's one two three four five six six seven eight nine zero . user interface: No , if you On most T_V_s if you  press two numbers shortly after each other , d it industrial designer: Oh , like that . project manager: Okay  anyone any  oth other functionalities of our  remote ? industrial designer: I think these are the the most important functions . You do need them ? project manager: No , we'd  just said we didn't  marketing: Yeah , I know . project manager:  well because we can't integrate it with any other  remotes , all those buttons on those pictures are  irrelevant . marketing: project manager: We'll have  those  buttons about  And  the two important ones we're l f forgetting . project manager: Those two ? But it's just two , and we make a clip ? industrial designer:  just two just two under  under  marketing: project manager: Th that's a bit  waste . industrial designer: I I think  project manager: Your L_C_D_ screen is going to go . user interface: Or at industrial designer: But you you can put  two or three buttons under  another section . industrial designer: You can just put it somewhere project manager: Yeah industrial designer: They they aren't used much , not as much as those other , so you can put it somewhere user interface: Oh , they can be small or round like buttons . What do you think  those those buttons ? project manager: Well I think they should in an in an isolated part of the remote . Well any other  marketing: Well if you you take those th If you user interface: Why go to video ? project manager: Go to video , that's always on your remote control . marketing: Yeah , but you can z you can zap t you can you can zap to the video channel from zero to  industrial designer: The the video channel  ? user interface: That's just zero . user interface: Yeah , but you can can zap down marketing: Yeah , but when you zap down zero you get to A_V_ . user interface: I think go to video is an irrelevant button , but project manager: Th that's the button  No . industrial designer: But it's easy to go If you are at  at channel  fifty five and you want to  go immediately to the video channel , you do you have to push a to to get below zero . project manager: I I think that one button is  I use it  user interface: marketing: Yeah , but if we're choosing to  incorporate these buttons , you have to have  channel setting , if you wa if you have a new T_V_ . project manager: Yeah ? marketing: Right all th these  different buttons you have to project manager: These buttons , I don't have buttons for channel setting  especially on my remote . project manager: It's it's incorporated with p m plus and down ,  those user interface: Yeah well y you must have . user interface: Yeah you yeah you have one one button from s set frequency o or something , project manager: user interface: and then with plus and min minus you can  adjust the  marketing: Right . project manager: Ch ch industrial designer: Yeah to  oh yeah of course to configure the programme the Yeah . Oh the Okay button ? marketing:  project manager: Oh you always have in the centre an Okay button , for your menu . project manager: user interface: I think things like  contrast and brightness should be  in the menu , yeah . project manager: We're going to  go to our  rooms , and  we'll have to decide s things on our own I think . project manager: Well see you  user interface: I thought we'd  lunch  right now , or not ? project manager: W w we have lunchtime , by the way , now  so  industrial designer: Yeah this is this is your thing


It's not as  interesting as it should be because we just  had the meeting , marketing: project manager: but I'll show them . I've put a f  a file in the project management folder , which says exactly  what kind of decisions we should take .  this because of our last model was very functional , but it  people didn't like that , so our new mo model must be very good-looking . project manager: marketing:  such as an  L_C_D_ screen ,  speech  acknowledgement , as we  talked about earlier . marketing: So we have to have  something like that , like we  project manager: L_C_D_ and our  our fronts . industrial designer: Easy to use ? project manager: Well , easy to use  s is a bit  contradictionary with the first  marketing: Yeah ? industrial designer: I think that's your ta user interface: project manager: Functional is not an issue , and then easy to use . industrial designer: you can make a very complicated   remote anyway , so ease of use It's not a very comp complicated device . But the most important thing is that it looks great and people say wow , that's real great  great concept . project manager: user interface: marketing: The group we are targeting is  very pleased with fruit and vegetables . industrial designer: marketing: So we we we might cons consider in front of  in in that sort of  way . project manager: Well the the handy thing about our fronts is that we can follow these trends e ev every year . And the materials ?  I have heard several things , so I  I'll have to change that on the way . project manager: Well maybe it it it is , industrial designer: We should move to  something project manager: but it doesn't look strong . Y Hard plastic i is of course  pretty pretty tough , but it doesn't have a really really tough look .  it's   generally the case that  senior and wealthy people above  forty five years old  like , as you said ,  particularly the traditional materials as such as wood and materials such as that . industrial designer: And then we have  young  and dynamic  people , which is of course our  group , the people we aim at . Soft materials is of course  agai again a bit a contradiction with  our  material choice of what you said , that  it should be hard an and and and and strong looking . And if  also a finding but not very ap applicable here , that sports and gaming devices such as  discmans for jogging and that those kind of devices , gaming devices , should define the characteristics of the device . But  since we don't have a really a sports or gaming device , so we don't really have to consider that . project manager: Sports  , they're  that  are accessible on on your L_C_D_  window  user interface: Soccer fronts . project manager: All the results ? industrial designer: Well I also have  several examples of  styles , marketing: We keep coming back to the fronts . industrial designer: It looks like Well you know  you recognise the shapes , project manager: industrial designer: it's very primary colours ,  bright colours and  round shapes . project manager: industrial designer: You also  see  this device , it's not very round and Fruity of course . industrial designer: So to give you an idea of  marketing: Well it's got a strong look , this . Although it's plastic , it's it's grey to to to give it iron look . Well we have to make a project manager: Well you can make th th th that middle ring can you you can make another colour . I don't think that's very practical , project manager: No , it isn't . industrial designer: Because if we make it grey or or silvery looking , it it does make it a lot more  does make it looking a lot more stronger . industrial designer: 'Cause if you look at this , it it doesn't look very very strong , marketing: Yeah but the industrial designer: becau But this is plastic , and and this too , but marketing: But it doesn't have to look strong . project manager: So , if you ti industrial designer: Well user interface: And it it doesn't have to be strong , also . project manager: Well marketing: Nah yeah the feel project manager: You you Maybe you should have  some some coloured titanium or something . But solar energy is not very practical inside a house , because you don't have a have a lot of  sun . marketing: industrial designer: And  kinetic and and and dynamos are are not very practical , I think , for  for a simple remote , marketing: industrial designer: that's a bit , oh , that's a bit  That's a bit  much . If you use the curved case ,  a curved case , double curved then you can't use titanium . project manager: What do you exactly mean with double curved ? industrial designer: Now  this  to give it a more modern look . project manager: Double curved ? industrial designer: I'll draw it , project manager: It it mean user interface: Yeah . marketing: industrial designer: And it makes  it gives it a more u user friendly shape , than if you have  . No  otherwi  no  difficult scroll things or some  things like that , because it makes more complex and expensive . And ,  as we agreed , we don't use a speaker or a sensor or   speak  speech  controlled device . But we do use an L_C_D_ screen , so we  we do have to consider  of we have to use a more advanced chip , which is more complex and expensive . But It's worth the trouble I think , project manager: Well user interface: The buttons can be made of an  a soft material . project manager: marketing: user interface:  there are new developments in speech recognition  systems ,  and they are already being  used on  coffee machines . user interface:  it's not really speech recognition , it's more  like you can  talk to the chip ,  record the message and record an answer , and then once you  talk to the remote , then  he will a answer with the the prerecorded message that you left . So if I say hi Mike , and you have recorded  hi Mike back , then you will get that . That's a bit  user interface: But i it's just a marketing: But that that makes it cheap . marketing: It's it's just a an extra function , project manager: But it has no functionality for our remote at all . user interface: No marketing: No but user interface: but that's the gadget they want , or the gimmicks . user interface: Well , as I said  earlier I think the  L_C_D_ screen should be  positioned at the lower end of the remote . project manager: user interface:  the buttons for screen width and general settings and  and that kind of stuff marketing: user interface:  we can also do let that kind of functions  be shown in the L_C_D_ screen ,  instead of  extra buttons . project manager: So you put a menu in the L_C_D_ ? user interface: I think young people and yeah w well every user would like that .  the buttons  should be positioned  positioned the same way as they are on a , well , conventional remote , I think . And  I drew an example , industrial designer: user interface: but it did not work quite the well  the way I wanted it to do . user interface:  ? Well I have the I can draw it again , industrial designer: Can you draw it now ? user interface: and I know what I did wrong . marketing: How do you   give input to the menu on the L_C_D_ screen ? user interface:  with the  the up and down and and well buttons and the marketing: Alright . industrial designer: Those are the the cha the channel buttons of course ? user interface: Yeah just  the numbers . industrial designer: And then below is the L_C_D_ screen ? user interface: These these will be bigger in the the real design . user interface: This must be the Okay button used to  interact with the L_C_D_ screen . user interface: And with this you can  , yes , go to through the menus project manager: Yeah . user interface: and that can  the video button should be  an apart button , marketing: You've project manager: Yes . project manager: And what's the menu button ? user interface:  it's marketing: And you you need a you need a speaker . user interface:  ? marketing: For the user interface: This button can also be the Menu button , we use in the menus industrial designer: project manager: But how did How do you get out of the menu then ? Yeah . user interface: Well we we can add another button here , but project manager: Maybe I you could j just do an an exit with Okay . project manager: Yes , well but bec because when you push Menu you get in , industrial designer: Yeah ? Yeah ? project manager: and then you have to push Okay when you get to a choice . That's you you should have  user interface: No no , we we we should  add  a extra Menu button industrial designer: No . project manager: Or you can put in the L_C_D_'s  window an option Get Out . user interface: Ah once you have an extra Menu button , you don't need that that extra option . user interface: Yeah , industrial designer: marketing: Or don't user interface: if we decide to  to implement that , maybe we should . industrial designer: Why would you put it  then , and where is the recording  the microphone ? user interface: Well they that could be anywhere . user interface: Well the speaker and the microphone , I think , are the same  little hole thingy . industrial designer:  but  we could  d do , but it's perhaps more expensive ,  the speaker on the back or something . user interface: Well i  there are a all already being implemented in in coffee machines , so they won't be  very expensive . And oh I think as you can see so , the L_C_D_ screen does look better  at the lower end , or at the bottom . project manager: Yes ? user interface: You can  But I did not like it very much , but marketing: user interface: Well these are quite obvious , very ugly remote . user interface: No , well th marketing: Nei They're n they're not trendy . user interface:  this is for children but th industrial designer: Tho Yeah those marketing: It doesn't look strong . user interface: W but with the colours i it's a bit the way we're going to . industrial designer: But it it must not look too childish of course huh ? project manager: It's it's all too much buttons . I think we should , if it's  possible ,  one with colours , but marketing: Nah th It's too expensive . user interface: I don't know  project manager: Well , that's too expensive I think . project manager: It still has t marketing: You can make the the underside , you can make it more round , where the L_C_D_ is . user interface: Well marketing: I dunno if you know the No Nokia telephone , with  the round  thing at at the bottoms , s something like that . It's just a half round half half circle at And then it falls exactly over the hand , and that's very nice . All the the materials from the case ,  the electric cable that's all your  your side of the story .  now from the user interface , your  package ?  where No well , that's more like the buttons where they have to come . marketing: Materials are the most , most impor project manager: So as you said , fruity is in , well sells good .  so if we  go through them industrial designer: Copy paste  this story into a into a Word document , and then  put the answers after the subjects . industrial designer: Well we have to decide all these things ? user interface: Yeah but all these examples are  of a coffee machine . project manager: Yeah well  Why should I  industrial designer: W we can  override them ? marketing: project manager: Yeah .  I suggest Well what do I suggest actually ? project manager: What what kind of properties should it have ? Well we just listened . user interface: Why don't we  use  titanium or or a hard , yeah , some kind of metal for the  the the whole remote except the front . industrial designer: Yeah but the non-removable elements of the of the remote , so not the front , could be titanium , user interface: Yeah . user interface: And I don't know if you can make steel just any way you want it to . user interface: Well any colour industrial designer: According to my sources ,  it's it's totally possible to make an entire    Titanium is available , and  we can  make  an entire remote out of it , if we want . marketing: So , we're going for a titanium back and a plastic front ? project manager: I've  user interface:  . project manager: So material ,  hard plastic for the front ? industrial designer: Yeah , for the front and then titanium for the back . marketing: But then you have the problem , when you have a titanium back , you can't switch it . industrial designer: Well but marketing: You know ? industrial designer: The titan titanium isn't isn't v very Yeah , i it doesn't  curves . Titanium is very No no no , but you know b Titanium is very basic colour , marketing: Yeah , yeah , yeah . industrial designer: and it doesn't really matter if we have a purple front on it or a orange front . industrial designer: And even if it does  doesn't match , it will  People like  colours that don't match . industrial designer: Excuse me ? marketing: user interface: The electrical cable  does industrial designer: project manager: It's  from  our coffee  industrial designer: Yeah copper i just a ba basic  user interface: No we don't use an electrical cable . industrial designer: Yeah in project manager: industrial designer: Yeah well inside the remote control we use a couple of  project manager: Of course . project manager: Well  marketing: project manager: all the all the inside work of our remote is  standard work . user interface: and I will  project manager: Well you can put that in  into the shared folder , user interface: The shared folder . And what do we ? user interface: project manager: We thing that fruit and bright colours are industrial designer: Yeah the the the front w marketing: I think we can launch a couple of packages . marketing: Yeah but if you if you launch  five different packages like iPod mini user interface: Yeah , right For the  initiative  launch . project manager: We should not give them the m the most lovely front when they buy it for the first time . user interface: Well you can you can give them  s s three or so , industrial designer: The most boring fronts possible . industrial designer: Yeah but you you can have some basic colours , and then we come with the special patterns on them , project manager: Yeah . user interface: Red red , blue and green you give them or something , industrial designer: and and  marketing: Yeah .  this fruit and bright colours , yeah well I think we'll have to in the next  half an hour , we'll have to  s s specify the different  types we want to launch , when we  well introduce our remote . industrial designer:  we still have to make We have still have to make the es the the real basic design . project manager: Well I'll have to , before I get another warning for five minutes , I'm going to get Where is my mouse ?  where is my mouse ? industrial designer: marketing: Lost my mouse . industrial designer: How Yeah yeah , but how do I user interface: But bu we stay we stay here or something ? project manager: Yes well we'll get it to hear that I think . Th they're saying SMARTboard and that's it marketing: You can take the SMARTboard . And take it to our rooms and  project manager:  so you can  you you are going to make a prototype , and y Well that's includes  specifying the buttons etcetera .  well you will go and do something else  on the project user interface: industrial designer: Some Some non functional tasks . project manager: what are you going to do ?  I don't know what product evaluation exactly means , but  you'll get  the specifications . user interface: marketing: industrial designer: No but project manager: How long do we still have ? industrial designer: Well , can we talk about something else ?  project manager: Yeah .  industrial designer: Yeah ? user interface: Will we use  round buttons or square ones for the for the numbers ? industrial designer: Round I think . user interface: And these  these s these buttons  are more  triangle-ish shaped project manager: Why does marketing: Curvy . industrial designer: But now I see the marketing: And this must be  volume I think , project manager: Heh ? marketing: and this programme . project manager: We can't get user interface: Well most of the time  up and down is programme and left and right are volume , I think . user interface: Yeah , it depends , but If you turn up the volume , you always see this thingy go up . industrial designer: Well we  We we j we'll just give them an  marketing: Yeah , that's right .  industrial designer: project manager: So what are we going to do ? I as Project Manager ha don't have a clue .  I think  a logo , our company logo , and the slogan should be or could be project manager: Also the slogan ? On the industrial designer: Yeah , why not ? If there's enough space , you can put  user interface:  I I'd say only the logo . project manager: And well you c On the back , you can put  h At the bottom , you can put the logo with the industrial designer: Right corner , or maybe here in the middle ? user interface:  the text ? project manager: Yeah . user interface:  yeah , at the back ? marketing: But the logo the logo shouldn't be exchangeable , when you get off the front . industrial designer: Yeah it it should be hard on the on the on the board , project manager: Yeah well marketing: Yeah . marketing: Yeah , user interface: Yeah , but then you must  really  yeah push it in or something . industrial designer: I l I like the idea of the of the slogan on the on the on the thing . user interface: industrial designer: But am I the only one , or  user interface: Yeah , on the backside . industrial designer: No not on the front , user interface: On the back Yes , you you can , yeah , push that in , industrial designer: but on the backside . industrial designer: I think it's a nice idea , to make it more recognisable , that the next to the logo you have the slogan . project manager: Yes , slogan from company on the back with logo industrial designer: But we'll  we'll take that  with us into the design . industrial designer: Do you do you see a bit of the of the  of the  titanium ? O on the front ? project manager: Five minutes left . industrial designer:  maybe if we make this this this lower part titanium , user interface: Yes we could industrial designer: the front is the the upper part , and the the bit with the with the L_C_D_ screen . industrial designer: of between we can do but But then you have two parts of front , two fronts that user interface: No , they have two fronts , marketing: No no no no . industrial designer: This enti entire bottom ? marketing: Else you you get problems with the L_C_D_ . user interface: No , you can you can just And then not a straight line but  some sort of wave or something . industrial designer:  it's  marketing: Yeah , project manager: What ? industrial designer: Yeah yeah . industrial designer: That's a bit too much , but project manager: No that's nothing . project manager: Well I think we can , I just It's marketing: It's not relaxing . project manager: Yeah , o user interface:  the fourth one is empty , isn't it ? marketing: project manager: Oh user interface: Yeah . industrial designer: marketing: You have to empty one huh ? project manager: Oh , we have a one . marketing: industrial designer: What are you doing chief ? project manager: So , you can  draw a Yeah . user interface: Yeah I think we have to wait ? industrial designer: Yeah project manager: Well I'll get a I'll get the message . marketing: No user interface: industrial designer: But I don't  Do we have to stay here , marketing: project manager: No , I think  industrial designer: or I think we have to return first . Well we have  b you have to have a bit of humour in the in the discussions too , marketing: You just have to push harder . industrial designer: project manager: We know you'll you'll you'll hate it but industrial designer: But  th youth doesn't care about functio functionality , so marketing: No . project manager: Well , that's not bad , is it ? industrial designer: Well they  marketing: No . project manager: So is it user interface: Yes , but you you get really close to the screen with your hand , industrial designer: user interface: and I don't think that's industrial designer: marketing:  . user interface: industrial designer: Where's the good old chalk board with the the green board with the , how do you call it , chalk , yeah . industrial designer: Maybe if i if that thing is recalibrated , we can draw a thing quick , and then before it  goes off again . Alright now we know what to do , so user interface: We'll stay here ? project manager:  marketing: Yeah . industrial designer: Maybe w maybe we maybe w m Can we get email here ? project manager: No , get away