And then we are going to come to decision on the remote control concepts and then we're gonna close it up . 'Kay , and just to reiterate  after this meeting the team will reach a decision on the concepts of the remote control .  basically about fifty eight percent of what they like of the product that they want , describing like the in order of how much they want , fifty eight per cent of the decision of what it should look like , fancy versus functional , and then it has to also be technologically innovative , and yet easy to use . So in Milan and Paris recently the trends have been showing that clothing , shoes and furniture are basically just covered with fruits and vegetable patterns . project manager: industrial designer: marketing: So I don't know if we want to go with that  and also the spongy feel is in in contrast to last year . I don't know really ,  I guess the spongy could relate to the buttons if we want to project manager:  . marketing: rather than like a hard clicky button that you find on like some mobiles and stuff , you'd want like a softer touch . But as for the fruits and vegetable patterns , I don't know if we really want to go with that , because it is just a trend , project manager: Right . marketing: and our product we want to stay around for much longer than just a few months , project manager: Right . marketing:  so design preferences ,  we need easy to read like large buttons , clearly labelled so that ,  'cause we talked about that being a problem . user interface: marketing: And I was thinking about different types of designs and I came up with something . So what we could do is something like an old-fashioned telephone like this , where we put the buttons around , like we'd put a big on-off button or something else in the middle ,  it could be the arrows or whatever for channel up and down , and then put the numbers around in like an old-fashioned dial shape . user interface: Either refresh it , or it sh project manager: Y user interface: Oh wait , maybe I didn't put it there . project manager: user interface: Okay ,  looking at the interface concept , it's gonna be mostly examples of possibilities of where we can go with this . user interface:   can't really see , but there's two possible ways , on the r left , if you see on th on the sides of of the remote , you have the sort of scroll down , so you have that option right there . And then on the right , we have what's really big trend right now , it's the iPod . It's becoming really and so you have this sort of very very simplistic menu section  with the round buttons , and it's sort of like you have the both kind of trendy and hip , but also very sleek and  and very simple , but technologically advanced . So if you wanted to do that th if we could find a way of sort of like using that idea in a remote control then sort of look into it , but Anyway , next . user interface:  there's the idea of like being able to do it by feel as well as by  by sight . You'd you know you're in the dark , you don't wanna be looking at the remote control . And the picture particularly is pointing out if you look at the top volume button it's a V_ , and so yo you're kind of feeling a V_ like volume up . What it really is is a V_ and what it you think it is is down , because the down arrow . user interface: And so it's like a sort of a criticism you'd probably turn that o the other way up .  but then you have you could either do it by raised type , which could be you know , iffy ,  sort of old-fashioned in a way . user interface: Either that or just have it by shape , for example you have a specific triangular shape that you know you're looking at the up and down arrow . And then the round ones you sort of feel by , you know , that's the second one down , that sort of thing . project manager: user interface:  it's very cute , and we could probably change it to yellow , bright yellow for like a the for the company logo .  and then the other thing that it would be able to do is just to pro be ab you program certain channels that only these children would watch , so it's like they ch watch , you know , the C_ Beebies or something like that , project manager: user interface:  keep them away from other channels . On the bottom we probably wouldn't need that , because it's more for like a D_V_D_ function which we are not gonna be using . So again it's sort of like just give you ideas and then down at the bottom you have the logos and that's where you could put the R_R_ , Real Reaction . user interface: And then finally these are like the sort of same examples , but also some more , just possibilities that we could go with . user interface: But it's sort of like just taking aspects out of that and saying , well out of this one we like , you know the round section of  , b or we'd like the the button size on this . project manager: What's the title ? industrial designer: It'll be copy of component design . So basic remote operation runs as follows , press button makes connection with the power source and the rest of the circuit , chip senses the connection , chip produces a morse code infra-red signal , specific to that button . Transistors amplify that signal and it goes to the T_V_'s centre , which interprets the signal response accordingly , changes channel etcetera . Findings oh which were the required materials for the basic internal construction , so all the really simplistic functions that we just discussed , we need rubber for buttons , aluminium for battery y contacts , integrated circuit which consists of a diode , transistor , resonator , resistors , and a capacitator , all those basic things that make a circuit function . An L_E_D_ , which is a light emitting diode ,  contact discs for the buttons , plastic for the casing , and a power-source , whatever power-source we've actually determined we want .  personal preferences ,  to save money for the components , the remote should be mass-produced and basic materials should be bought en masse .  if we find another company who can produce the required chips , casing , L_E_D_ , any additional materials we decide we require at a less expensive rate than we ourselves are producing , we should go for it . They suggested power options , solar cells , hand dynamo , and kinetic power , so you shake it and it increases the power .  I'm not sure how the hand dynamo works , they have yet to get back to me on that . We can offer options for casing such as straight , curved , double-curved , you know , very specific to the customer . project manager: industrial designer: I don't think anyone's gonna go for a wood one , because splinters marketing: That would be amazing , though , yeah . So , if they want some a soft squishy rubber , they can't have the solar powered option . marketing: What is that ? industrial designer:  that would be two curvatures , so it would actually , if you the shape of your hand , you curve here and you curve here , so you could have two curves that match the shape of your hand to make it more comfortable to hold . And  so you functions what for the buttons , scrolling function could be very beneficial to us instead of actual buttons themselves .  the manufacturing division also has said that  they have several types of chips and they've just developed a sample sensor or sample speaker chip , which we could utilise . In addition to that if we're offering all those different options to the customer for producing their remote , we're going to have to have multiples of each type , like a double-curved in rubber ,  you know , each option should have a certain select number produced with all those options . But that could also drive up the price of the actual remote itself if they know that we only produced five thousand , you know , double-curved wooden remotes . Where were we ? user interface: Let me just add one more thing that I couldn't say before , project manager: Sure . user interface: and that's just that there's the new technology that they've developed on the voice recognition . user interface: Right except that it's sort of odd , and I'm no not exactly sure why they are explaining it in the way they are ,  there's a sample sensor and there's a sample speaker unit for So , you would say like , good morning , coffeemaker , and it would respond , good morning , Jill , project manager: user interface: but I'm not sure exactly how it's gonna work , 'cause do you programme do we program the responses and the questions . So does that mean that the user then has to ask the specific question , and can't change it in order for it to be recognised , project manager:  . user interface: or can it be altered in a certain way , or does the actually user program it , to say a channel means this . marketing: Yeah , like using the menu to be like , enter your name into the screen like on the menu options . marketing: I feel like voice recognition would be , I don't know , w it would be too hard to really project manager:  . marketing:  we could do it , but project manager: If it's within our price to get that kind of chip that would , you know , technology industrial designer: Well , we are making the chip . industrial designer: So ,  But , I guess , we have to look at w what our production cost is for the chip itself anyway . industrial designer: I I thought offering some of those options for different materials that it could be made of different , you know I think we'd have to decide on the power options , maybe . marketing: Yeah , 'cause we need to know how big it's gonna be and how heavy . project manager: Okay , that kind of brings us to this , let's let's see if we can decide what kind of energy source we want to have first and foremost . project manager: Do we wanna go for batteries or a stand like the one that we saw illustrated earlier ? marketing: Oh the base , yeah . project manager: The base , the charging base with rechargeable batteries ? industrial designer: I think the p user interface: I always feel like first I wanna know what it looks like , before project manager:  . user interface: 'Cause if it's something really really small , then it's sort of harder to imagine a base for it , that was p quite a s substantial size sort of standing up project manager: Yeah , and we don't have multiple things that it has to control , it just has to control the T_V_ . marketing: We need to decide , well so we can figure how big it's gonna be , like exactly what buttons we want project manager: What size battery and user interface: Well , the other thing is like even if it's got a few buttons , so we want it to be bigger than this , marketing: and exactly It could be like this . user interface: 'cause it still fits in your hand , so you still wanted something that's comfortable and substantial , but not necessarily full of buttons . marketing: I'd , well  This one is really comfortable , like I like the sides whatever , user interface: Are you gonna lose it easier ? marketing: because But if we have the  , the locator , then we don't have to worry about that . industrial designer: If we do a voice-activated locator , though , we're gonna be looking at a more substantial chip . user interface: it's like You know Are we gonna have certain chips that are gonna require bigger size period ? marketing: Two double A_s , for this size . user interface: But like , you know , if we get more complicated then it's gonna v be have to be bigger to just accommodate the chip size . industrial designer: Honestly , I think the customer would be kind of irritated by the fact that it has a base if we did do a nice small , compact project manager: Right . I agree , it's either gonna be bigger with a base or smaller with just marketing: Yeah . project manager: Alright , so what direction do you want to go in ? You wanna vote ? marketing: I think if we had a a locating device with the small one , I think that seems way more advanced . project manager: I'm kind of I'm kind of leaning in the direction of this kind of industrial designer: Yeah . project manager: That just seems so clunky and industrial designer: 'Kay so marketing: Yeah , because  if even looking at cellphones right now , those trends the smaller the hotter it is , user interface: Smaller and smaller , yeah , yeah , yeah . marketing: yeah industrial designer: The only problem with that is if you forget to take it out of your pocket and it goes in wash . project manager: user interface: Oh watches I've but I've never washed a cell phone . project manager: Okay , so what kind of material do we want to be made out of ? industrial designer: Pieces everywhere . user interface: I was saying that titanium , if we're being restricted then I would probably lean away from that . marketing: Yeah , 'cause if it's gonna cost us more to produce a chip , titanium will be more expensive . industrial designer: However , project manager: What would you recommend ? industrial designer: well , we only wanna sell it for twenty five Euro marketing: Yeah . industrial designer: right ? 'Cause I was thinking if we wanted to get the high in market then you could produce a few in titanium , user interface: Yeah . marketing: We could do that , because all our research shows that people are definitely willing to spend more if industrial designer: Yeah . user interface: Are we restricted by this ? project manager: I I think we should just focus on one design and one concept right now.I'm industrial designer: Well the original user interface: Twenty five Euros project manager: not sure that we'll have the time and money to produce a whole array of industrial designer: Okay . If this was a successful remote , we might then produce a higher end version of it , I think . project manager: Okay , so we wanna go for plastic , or what would you recommend for materials ? industrial designer: Honestly I'd recommend like  project manager:  . industrial designer:  since we're going with batteries instead of solar power , I'd recommend maybe a  soft like latex , project manager: industrial designer: because we could produce , you know how cellphones have those overlays that you can change the colour . industrial designer: We could do  one that fits in with the trends of the year so , marketing: Oh . industrial designer: because this year is all fruit , God only knows why , user interface: marketing: Yeah , who knows . industrial designer:  we could do f a cherry cover for this year and then i if next year is stripes or solids , you know project manager: Okay . user interface: So you're talking about like when it leaves our salesroom then it's all gonna be cherry-coloured or is it gonna be the kinda thing where people come back and swap it ? marketing: O or we could like take off this . industrial designer: So we could do like a b a hard base plastic , and then we could give two latex covers to start . Okay , and what kind of chip would we need for this guy ? industrial designer: How complicated Are we gonna go with the voice activated user interface: Yeah . project manager: I don't think we should do voice , I think we should just do  the recognition for when it's lost , you know . marketing: 'Cause that  what it type of , yeah , for voice activation would it be like a certain term what we would say like , project manager:  . marketing: because people could just be talking and we don't want it going off all the time . project manager: marketing:  see I'm  I'm strangely attracted to it , because I know that's it's definitely gonna be big , because it's , I don't know , it's just so high-tech . user interface: Well , my little sister got for Christmas she got one of those key finders that's like a key-ring , and you have to whistle in a certain frequency for it to work . user interface: And then she would laugh and it would start going off in her purse , and you couldn't turn it off . But it's not gonna be voice activated in the fact that you would say , channel up , and it would work , right ? marketing: Yeah , n n no , we just want it to be a finder . marketing: But do can your can the department make industrial designer: That would be like a mid-class  Yeah . industrial designer: So we don't actually have to go for Well , if they've just developed the sample sensor , sample speaker , it's a brand new chip . project manager:  and what size batteries , double A_ , triple A_ ? marketing: I think triple A_ , it'll be lighter . industrial designer: I think , well , we could d r do two or we could do one small lithium , 'cause you know the lithium batteries are doing quite well in most other electronic products , right ? So they're more widely available now . industrial designer: Well , how about a initial , you get one battery when you buy it , user interface: Right , that's what I meant . project manager: and that the central button could have , maybe our logo on it ? It might be the four way scroll , too . marketing: as long as there's something big in the middle , because like the old phones , there's like that just like piece of metal or like a picture or something in the middle . user interface: Well , my issue with that is if it got too big though , 'cause if you have the circle and the button in the middle , then is it gonna get wider than your your hands are , project manager:  . user interface: because w And then would the buttons be too small if it was enough to fit on it ? marketing: Good point . industrial designer: In the sample ones that you showed us there was one that had the scroll buttons on the side , project manager: Yeah . industrial designer: which I think if we make it curved like a hand like a hand-shape like if we put the the scroll-button on the side , user interface: Yeah . marketing: So scroll buttons on the side and then buttons on top ? project manager: Yeah , I like that . marketing: But we definitely If we have scroll things on the side , we definitely have to have 'em labelled . marketing: Yeah , industrial designer: Well , if it's just up and down marketing: like on the side of it . We should probably make it that you have to depress it to activate it then , project manager: So that you're just not holding it and it changes the chan marketing: Yeah . industrial designer: 'cause oth otherwise you're not just holding it and going like this , you know . user interface: Well , the other option is in instead of a scroll you just have the buttons up on the side which are on the side . W industrial designer: We have to make sure that logo always sticks out when we put the latex covers on , so we'll have to like have a little square or something , so that the our logo's available . user interface: Well I sort of like having the a yellow strip at the bottom with the R_R_ like that . project manager: I think maybe we should do it on a b button itself though , because if people are able to change the covers , user interface: Which button ? project manager: I don't know , maybe the on-off button , something , some the menu button , I don't know , but you know if we're gonna put our company logo on there and somebody could just get another one . Are they all gonna have our company logo on them ? Every cover ? industrial designer: Yeah , I don't think we should do that , because that would just be icky . project manager: If we want it to be visible and  are all those those one that you showed where they were  s met silver-metallic looking ? But those are plastic , right ? user interface: Yeah .  but , or if it was really industrial designer: For our base one ? project manager: Yeah , for the base or if we're going for the retro look , I think , like a really shiny black would be cool . marketing: Yeah , project manager: What are your thoughts ? marketing: or like a gun-metal grey , project manager: Gun-metal gray . user interface: Well , w w then what's the button do , and how do you know that that is what the button does ? I guess . Just looking at examples , y you just don't ever see the logo on a button , it's always on the actual casing . industrial designer: There's nothing saying that we have to put the logo on the front of the actual user interface: project manager: On the back ? user interface: But you don't marketing: But we want it to be seen . project manager: 'Cause if it was only on the back really the only time you're gonna see it is when you drop it or when you're changing the battery . The other option is , I don't know if you can see it but it's like if project manager: I can find it again . project manager: Well , for some reason I can't get it to just go to that slide directly . You see at the bottom , it's kind of difficult to see , but you have like a d sort of s division between the bottom like , where the logo is , and if we have the replaceable section , it's like the top . project manager:  user interface: And so you have that one piece that stays and the rest just sort of clips in . project manager: Okay , yes user interface: If c you envisioning it ? project manager: yes . user interface: And so that stays the same when you have the logo , and then you have this s slip that kinda clips in and that's the bit that changes . industrial designer: The only problem is we're using a latex overlay so it actually would go over top of everything and have holes for the buttons , user interface:  . industrial designer: so I was thinking maybe instead of doing that what we could do is leave a space for where the logo should be . user interface: That's like , you know , a a cellphone it's like the the screen is always just left opened . user interface: And so , what we are gonna do it like bright yellow with the R_R_ ? marketing: Yeah . project manager: Anybody see anything that they liked in these ones ? marketing: Some of tho Well , some of those buttons though are blue-based .  and then if v we do have them illuminate upon contact , they could illuminate yellow . marketing: Like if we like the one all the way on the left ,  you ca you can see it on your computer better . marketing:  where the button is actually blue , but the number itself is clear or white or whatever so if you pressed it would illuminate yellow . Any other ideas or thoughts ? We all seem to be fairly in agreement about what we wanna do with this project so user interface:  . user interface: Did we finalise what buttons we're including or we just everything that we said before ? project manager: I think there will be time for that later .  next meeting is gonna start in thirty minutes , and here's what we're each of us going to do . The I_D_ is going to do the look and feel design , the U_I_D_ the user interface design . I think you're going to get a lot of , the final say on what buttons get put We'll all talk about it , but I think , that's pretty much what you're gonna do , right ? user interface: Yeah . Okay , and right now , the I_D_ and U_I_D_ , you two are going to work together on a prototype using modelling clay


project manager:  after the opening we're going to have a prototype presentation , then we're going to discuss the evaluation criteria and the financing of our remote . Then we're going to evaluate the product and I think the whole production process , and then we're gonna close it up , and we have forty minutes , so let's get started . Well , since our materials aren't exactly what we were going for , I'm just gonna translate what this all means for you . user interface: The base is gonna be gunmetal gray , which is what we had decided , and it's gonna be plastic . user interface: The whole thing lights up if you press any button , rather than it just that one button will light up . industrial designer: On off switch will be here and as you've noticed on our prototype  they've ended up with a curvature kind of , by concave sort of thing , except for , you know , can't see underneath . industrial designer: So I'm hoping that when we get to production we can actually make them like that , because they're very nice to stock you know , stick your finger in .  the two squared buttons are are two probably least used , menu , mute , user interface: Thumb-shaped . industrial designer: and then these are the numbers , so our channel and our volume will be on either side . And then the last thing is just that it'll be black labelling on top , just which we didn't do . And did you determine  the curvature of the bottom part of it for the hand , is it gonna be a single or a double ? user interface: industrial designer: I'd say a single . marketing: Yeah , I think it's a beautiful project manager: It is beautiful , and it's everything that we discussed . project manager: Alright industrial designer: project manager: what's next in our agenda ?  we're gonna discuss the evaluation criteria , and that's with Courtney .  so these are the criteria we're gonna ask , is it easy to use , is it fashionable  yeah , I guess we should write these down so we can reference them . user interface: Feel good meaning what ? marketing: Like does it feel good , like user interface: Physically , project manager: Right . industrial designer: Yeah , it was a little difficult to incorporate the cover with the cherry fruit on it . Okay so , we're using the criteria  for a seven point scale , and so we need to discuss how we feel . It falls within this range , so for easy to use , do we feel it's very easy to use ? project manager: Are we going to indi user interface: True or false , easy to use . project manager: I say we individually rate what do you say ? marketing: You guys project manager: Just orally . user interface: industrial designer: I'll give it a two , because at the moment it's not looking that way . project manager: Oh , and ma it's a prototype , marketing: Well , that's that's just like that's a clay , it's a prototype . user interface: But then I'm not fashionable , so marketing: Yeah , it's a two . marketing:  user interface: marketing: does it feel good ? project manager: Imagine , since we obviously don't have that . user interface: Does it feel good ? marketing: I feel like industrial designer:  the shape of it actually does  . industrial designer: marketing:  yeah ,  and it does it have voice  the phrase recognition on it ? project manager: Yes . It wasn't we have no reflection of it on the prototype , marketing: And there's no way you can represent it on here . marketing: Then yes , then I would well it isn't what else would it need for it to be technologically innovative ? industrial designer: It project manager: Well we don' have the you know , we can't say channel , and it changes the channel , channel eight . marketing: And it doesn't cover anything other then T_V_ , project manager: Right . I'd go for a three or four on that one , so user interface: Yeah I go four . project manager: Alright , and the last criteria is it is it  user interface: Squishy and fruity . project manager: Well , we've covered that with the user interface: It's just trendy , basically . marketing: So  our re model slightly resembling a giant delicious cookie appears to be a winner , project manager: industrial designer: marketing: and  hopefully we'll sell millions . industrial designer: How did you get that in there ? user interface: marketing: What ? industrial designer: The slightly resembling a giant delicious cookie . I'm gonna show you an Excel spreadsheet and we're going to fill it in together based on what components we're including in our remote and see if it's under twelve fifty Euro . If so , we can proceed , if not , we need to go back to the drawing board a little bit .  it's not hand dynamo , it's powered by battery , so we give it a industrial designer: Yep . project manager: But if it's a do you wanna go for this is where we need to make a final call on if it's a lithium or do we wanna go triple A_s , 'cause triple A_s we're gonna have t do more than one battery . What do you say ? industrial designer: Yeah , user interface: marketing: Yeah , let's let's do a lithium . project manager: I think  I think the people who purchase this are gonna be technologically industrial designer: it's . marketing: We're gon that's gon Nologically advanced , project manager: right . We're gonna need this kind , correct , if we do the voice sensor , industrial designer: Yep . marketing: But it's Yeah , project manager: This ? marketing: but i so i industrial designer: Integrated scroll-wheel or push-button . marketing: But will we w actually we'll need two , won't we ? One for the top and then one for the s one e for each side . user interface: Oh like the twenty nine means like you have both scrolls and industrial designer: Push-button . project manager: Right I think she's industrial designer: But we just have push user interface: push-buttons . project manager: I think what Courtney's talking about is do we need to put two here ? marketing: Like because there's like one interface right here and then because it's not gonna be on the same plane when you press the button . marketing: So is that gonna be an extra one on each side ? project manager: I don't know , they might put us well , let's just . user interface: Two interfaces , is that what w should we s say ? project manager: Two or would it be three ? industrial designer: Let's call it th marketing: Or three , because of one on each side and one on top . project manager: and we're gonna user interface: project manager: button supplements the buttons are no  okay . Now we're gonna talk about the project process  and whether or not we're satisfied with the whole process and the result .  did we have a lot of room for creativity ? Did we have a lot of room for individual leadership ,  teamwork , and the means , meaning the technology that we used to produce our little guy there , and if we found any new ideas . Who want who would like to go first ? industrial designer: We think we got stifled for cri creativity by the company itself , in restricting us only to using a T_V_ remote , initially . project manager: And how did you feel about the whole the whole process though ? marketing: Oh , overall  I thought we did a good job like user interface: marketing: We got to choose basically we had control over minus it being just merely a T_V_ remote we got to choose what we wanted to do with it . project manager: Right , and we got say over what how technologically advanced it should be and also how fashionable , which I kind of like marketing: And we're a fashion forward technology company . project manager:  what about  the teamwork aspect ? How did you guys enjoy making the model , the prototype ? marketing: industrial designer: Yeah .  minus you guys being wha what is it , the survey , annoying or what is it ? project manager: Irritating . marketing: And the digital the digital pens user interface: Like it's information project manager: Yeah , digital pens . marketing: Yeah they were fun , even though I'm not really sure what I could do with them , but they are awesome . project manager: Right , laptops are extremely handy , industrial designer: It was wireless too , so . And that we have a shared network where we can put all of the marketing: And these things whoa . industrial designer: project manager: 'Kay , have we found any new ideas through this process ? marketing:  we are really gonna sell this . project manager: For something that looks cool and also has what I want it to b do technologically . project manager: And that's your right brain taking over , w wanting the artistic , the fashionable , the hip , you know . project manager: If we all just went out and bought useful things , I don't think  that's not what technology . user interface: Well , that's why I don't like  Macs or Apples , just 'cause I look at it , and I know it's probably a very good computer , but I look at it , and I'm taken back to elementary school , 'cause they look the same . user interface: Exactly , so I associate them with like really low-tech , really cheap , bad project manager: Yeah . marketing: Yeah , no , iPods They want all those words for presentation , even the plugs .  how many people went out and bough a Nokia phone , back when we were like in high school , just so they could get the changeable face plates . user interface: But the my but my one issue is just like the whole it's for T_V_ only . user interface: I was like who's gonna buy a remote just for the T_V_ unless they've lost theirs . marketing: We could have like an Adam and Eve type commercial , and that's the fig-leaf .  the costs are within the budget , we evaluated the project , user interface: project manager: and now we're gonna complete the final questionnaire and meeting summary , and then we're going to have a big giant party , apparently , according to this , so


Let's shall we all introduce ourselves ? marketing: Hi I'm Chiara , I'm the  Marketing Expert .  , would you like me to talk about my aims at the moment , or would you like me to just say my name and then we can talk about business later ? project manager: I think we'll get around to that , yeah . I forgot to s say I'm the Project Manager but I figured you all knew that already , industrial designer: user interface: project manager:  so . And to do this , we have to  there's certain things we have to consider about functional aspects and conceptual design of the thing . user interface: So you want us to draw it and then talk about it ? Or just draw it ? project manager: marketing: I think both . project manager: Does anyone know what they wanna draw ? industrial designer: user interface: I gotta think about it for a second like .  Does it have to be functional , trendy and user friendly ? project manager: I don't think so . user interface: Yeah , it's industrial designer: project manager: 'S like playing Pictionary . project manager: So what characteristics do you like about your animal ? industrial designer: user interface: I like its tail . industrial designer: user interface: no , I think dolphins are really  I dunno , they're smart and they they're cute and they like swimming and that's cool , like project manager: They're graceful . user interface: Yeah they're sleek industrial designer: user interface: and they look intelligent and I don't know , they're I guess it's the whole like binocular vision thing . He's a I dunno  they're I think it's cool the the  the interaction that or the th things that the reasons people seem to like you know you get ex you know people are sitting on the beach and p they're like oh look there's dolphins and it's kinda like but they're you know they jump around in the water and they're happy and they're mammals , but they swim . project manager: I dunno if the the industrial designer: I think the pen is running out of marketing: Well I had the cat as well , but  I've got a spare one .  I don't really know how the legs go , industrial designer: project manager: That's very good . I think they're very pretty and they go well with the environment , and I like the way they run and I used to do horse riding and they're just very sort of sturdy and nice animals . And I like the way  they feel , sort of under under the hand , I think that's pretty much it . industrial designer: marketing: project manager: So I'm thinking we should design a remote control that's water resistant , strong and furry . So I'm guessing that we're not actually in Scotland , we're in some European country . user interface: Sorry can you just say that what's the what are our price goals again ? project manager:  selling price is twenty five Euro . marketing: How many should we sell then ?  , a lot , project manager: Anyone a mathematician ? marketing: two two two million , two mi no , more f four million . And it industrial designer: marketing: well it's the profit so if a profit for each is twelve fifty , that'll do four million .  , I don't know what these mean because I didn't actually make the slide-show . So I guess we have to reflect on our experiences with remote controls to decide what  we would like to see in a convenient , practical , nice remote control .  so do we have any initial ideas for  how this remote control should be designed or formatted or the the buttons it should have . marketing: I think one thing is that it should be easy to find industrial designer: user interface: I was thinking that too . user interface: I think we should design something that has like a so you can like somehow like you  you always know where your T_V_ is , so just have a call button , industrial designer: user interface: I've always wanted that , project manager: Yeah . user interface: so like you can push a button on your T_V_ marketing: Yeah , yeah yeah yeah yeah . user interface: Yeah , yeah yeah yeah , so you should have a call button on your television to be able to find your remote control . marketing: In which case you're going to be l but if it has a sort of signal which isn't any sound user interface: Yeah . marketing: I don't know if it's expensive maybe to user interface: I don't yeah  it but like  marketing: Maybe call is enough . user interface: just  like your phone even just has so like it can vibrate , it can light up and make noise and I dunno marketing: Yeah yeah yeah . project manager: What if it had something like  just like a magnet on the back of it and you could  j just to have some place to put it besides like a base . user interface: Yeah , project manager: 'Cause people just stick it on top of their T_V_ , but the point of having a remote is not to have to walk over to the T_V_ , so user interface:  industrial designer: Well that's why it's always in the couch . marketing: project manager: user interface: I dunno , it seems like though that that would be hard , 'cause you not you're not gonna be lazy anyway and project manager: Yeah . marketing: But even just a thing to attach it to the w you know if you had a thing , a pretty object attached to the wall . project manager: Do you think it needs to be bigger to not lose , or does that not factor in ? marketing: And the other thing is user interface: Bigger . marketing: Not well it needs to be sort of project manager: Like Hand hand held size , yeah . I don't think you need a project manager: Not not huge , but industrial designer: marketing: But definitely not well I don't know . industrial designer: project manager: industrial designer: user interface: That would be really I'm sure we could do that for twenty five Euros a pop .  , oh we just user interface: I also think though that it shouldn't have too many buttons , industrial designer: Yeah , I agree . user interface:  I know it has to have enough functions but like , I don't know you , just have like eight thousand buttons and you're like , no , you never use half of them . project manager: You what if  may be a little fancy but what if it had like a little screen , so it has less buttons but it still has all the functions .  it just seems like project manager: So you could like  like if you have I dunno if you have satellite if you have a hundred channels , you can the way you do it on your radio is that you  user interface: yeah . project manager: s y yeah but you can programme , so you can programme like your favourite channels , so like if you had a s marketing: But , would you have the screen on the thing , or would you have it on the telly transmitting the screen . marketing: Because , I don't know if it's I think it's e expensive , if you have if you use the telly screen , 'cause the telly's already a screen , then you can pro sort of have a programming function , really easy sort of arrow up and down , on the remote , project manager: Yeah . Something like not it's not on the button but it's telling you what to do , project manager: Yeah . user interface: Or like you h you see those you know people I'm thinking of like celebrity cribs kind of things when like they have all those these things that at their house you know their their entire house is so electronic , and they have like this one master control that and it's like a hand held like turns on everything sort of control and it has like a screen and like so I think it should be possible to have some kind of a screen , I don't know if it must be it would probably marketing: Yeah . user interface: marketing: Or some it i we can find out probably on the internet how much it's project manager: Yeah . Yeah , and the other thing you said that thing about robust and water  industrial designer: marketing: What was the word ? user interface: Furry . project manager: Oh I was just user interface: marketing: No but it's I thought , ah , spot on . industrial designer: marketing: Good feel , tact tactile , good tactile feel , project manager: Yeah . project manager: Maybe  just like a simple thing to have a clip on it , like so you can clip it to your user interface: Yeah . We should probably start wrapping up ,  we've got some initial ideas that we can all look into .  , and come up with some new ones for the next meeting , which will be in another thirty minutes . The Industrial Designer , what does that stand for , I_D_ , industrial designer: Yeah I think so . So I guess you'd be looking at lots of the things we discussed about screen and  that sort of thing . I guess that maybe the working design has also to do with like the physical feat like just the way it looks and the way it w user interface: So technical function . user interface: What is technical functions exactl I I don't really know what project manager: I guess you'd have to find out . user interface: It does but it I just don't really industrial designer: I wrote down what mine were . marketing: Be a medium between you and the telly I think , user interface: Yeah , yeah . project manager: And the M_E_ , what does that stand for ? M industrial designer: Marketing


project manager: 'Kay so we'll try to zip through this , since we're short on time .  so this is our functional design meeting , we're going to consider  user needs , technical effects , and the working design of our remote control .  I've been taking meetings on the minute minutes on the meetings , and I'll be putting them in the shared documents folder so if there's anything you need to refer to you can find them in there .  so can we have updates from everyone from what you've worked on just kind of a quick summary of anything interesting that you'd like to share or discuss in this marketing: And I can start if you want .  , how do I put this industrial designer: Just  marketing: I'll just put the cable in . So what happens it doesn't work ? project manager: It sh it takes a few seconds I think . industrial designer: You may need to user interface: Who's that ? marketing: user interface: marketing: No . industrial designer: But sometimes you have to do it marketing: Is it in the right thing ? industrial designer: it's like a three set setting cycle , so press it a couple times , hold down function and then press F_ eight . In order to see what the functional requirements were to be found ,  a hundred people were tested in a usability laboratory through just their habits to n know their habits were observed and questionnaires were given out . Custome Customers and users don't like the way remote controls look , they don't like the way they feel , they don't think they match their operating behaviour , and an example is what we were talking about , the buttons , they only use ten per cent of the buttons , so later on there's a study of the buttons that they use most and I think we should design according to these buttons . marketing: according to the frequency of use and the relevance of each buttons , I have made a list of the buttons that we should focus on in order of importance . The other ones are the settings , and they're used less than you know zero point eight to zero point five times per hour , and this means that I think we can we could have like a a button for all the settings , and then , just one , and then from there go on to the audio on the screen , either on the remote or on the television .  , about the screen , and speech recognition , some people are more willing than others to actually pay for that . And if we look at the market , f people from well from fifteen to thirty five year old year olds , I don't really know how to describe this ,  ninety one to seventy six percent of people in that age range are willing to pay more for this sort of product , while people that are above thirty five years ol  years old go from thirty five percent to eight percent , so people that are sixty five for example wouldn't actually pay for this sort of thing .  I don't I don't know  what the decision to be made is , but I think that the people that actually do buy remotes m more are those like teenagers and young professionals and  , most likely , but we should discuss this together . marketing: Shall I what do I do ? Do I give this to someone else ? project manager: Yeah . Okay so now I need to press F_ eight , what is it ? project manager:  function F_ eight . What's function ? project manager: It's the little blue w it's the one th user interface: Oh function , I see it . This my presentation about the  technical functions design and I basically just tried to focus on  just what what functions we need and how to make that the best function for the user . project manager: user interface: And okay so basically  I think i  like it is really important that we sort of get this done in a user friendly and fashionable way .  so I think things like  you know keeping buttons together that like close together that  are used in the same way ,  or  maybe that making 'em the same colour , keeping the number of buttons the  leas you know to a minimum , and also things like is it is it  is it  can you c y small enough large enough I'm not sure we c I guess we would need to do some research about , I would , about what size is appropriate and that sort of thing ,  but basically we need to make sure that it turns on and off the T_V_ . Does it have like capacity to change the channels ?  does it do or do we need to have like functions for cable or V_C_R_ ? And then , is it findable , and  how do we wanna do that ? And  I just thought that these two remotes were pretty boring ,  I dunno if this will work but And I think we can find something that's more fun to look at and use than either of those . Just  I like the one on the right better , just because it does have fewer buttons ,  but  I think we sh can sort of think about things like  like colour and you know size , shapes , that sort of thing , to best fit the user . industrial designer: Okay so this is on the working design , which is sort of the  mechanical functions of the remote ,  and the method I used was to basically look at existing designs and incorporate ideas from our last meeting .  so I think we need two basic functions which is just the basic remote functions , the user can input a channel or volume setting and it will be output to the T_V_ . And also we talked about  a location function where maybe you could press a button on the T_V_ and it would send sort of signal to the remote where it would beep or flash or vibrate or whatever to tell you where the remote is . So the components we need are an energy source to power the remote ,  input which would probably be buttons , although  we just talked about voice recognition , processor to take the information ,  something to transmit it to the T_V_ , and we also need something on the remote that would receive the location signal and have an output , like possibly a beep or a vibration . And also you need a sender for location signal , which would probably be a separate  thing that we'd have to sell with the remote and people could stick it on their T_V_ or stick it on their wall . Power comes from the battery , goes to the chip ,  and then it is sent from there to an infrared bulb which is probably the easiest way to send to the T_V_ . And then for the location function , you would have a sender on the T_V_ which would output some sort of signal ,  we could use I_R_ but we'd probably wanna use radio instead . That signal would go to a receiver which it would process it , and it would be output in the form of a buzzer or a light lighting up .  so my personal preferences for how to build the remote would probably be  , battery for the energy source , that way you wouldn't have to plug it in ,  a button pad for input ,  we can purchase a pre-made chip which will handle all the processing stuff , I_R_ transmitter to communicate to the T_V_ , that's just sort of standard ,  so most T_V_s have an I_R_ receiver . Probably a radio receiver to send out location function and to receive it and I'd probably say a buzzer for the location function on the remote itself . user interface: Do you know about like industrial designer:  ? user interface: I dunno , you seem like you know about industrial designer: Yeah ,  I d I was an engineer before I came here .  we have we'll discuss that and then I just wanna mention some new project requirements that came in .  , teletext is apparently outdated , so due to internet popularity , so that's off the list .  , industrial designer: project manager: also our remote should be used only for television , no extra internet kinda fancy things , just the remote and the television .  and also we need to incorporate our corporate image onto this , so  the phrase is , we put fashion in electronics , so let's be fashionable I guess .  if we have something  silver and and gold or yellow are our colours , so if we had a like a kind of silver one like you saw , and yellow writing , something like that . Do Let's industrial designer: project manager: I guess we should yeah make some kind of brainstorming , see what we can user interface: Like in terms of marketing: How it looks or user interface: how it looks , or like what it does ? project manager: wha what  well probably our target group and how it's gonna going to appeal to our target group and I dunno the the s user interface: Okay . So Is our target group then people so do we wanna go ahead and design this thing with the finder button ? project manager: I think that seems to yeah . user interface: So then our target age group would be the nineteen to thirty five range , project manager: Yeah , teenagers and young professionals . industrial designer: I was thinking about that but   speech recognition is really hard to programme , project manager: Yeah . industrial designer: and also , if the T_V_ is on it's making sound and the people on the T_V_ are talking , and if somebody says like one , then the T_V_'s gonna switch itself to channel one , marketing: Yeah yeah yeah . industrial designer: project manager: And if if you consider our budget , it probably user interface: marketing: But  the screen is the same as what , industrial designer: It's a cool idea but project manager: if you consider our budget , to h have speech recognition programmed in every single remote might be a little pricey . user interface: Okay so are we gonna have just some kind of a like we'll have the buzzer on the som like on the T_V_ itself . industrial designer: Well you would have to have a button on a T_V_ or on your wall or some place since the T_V_ already has power . industrial designer: Yeah you click the button , it's gonna send out a signal , and I was thinking , I_R_ is line of sight , so unless the remote is like actually in front of the T_V_ it's not gonna work ,  so probably like a radio signal like on a on a cell phone . industrial designer: Sends out a signal and then the the remote hears the signal and so it beeps probably . project manager: So you you'd need like a separate base for that or like something you can industrial designer: It would have to be sold separately because if the sender's on the remote then you'd have to find the remote first to click the button to find the remote . marketing: So do you plug it in the T_ you plug it in T_V_ , this thing ? industrial designer: Yeah , it'd probably just stick it on your T_V_ so if you need to find the remote , click the button . project manager: So do you think even though we're not talking about speek speech recognition our target group should still be teenagers and young professionals . Are we  should that thing be on the thing to put the you s you talking about a home for it . marketing: Do you still want to build a little thing next to the telly or to p hang on the wall or shall we leave that for now ? project manager: We probably leave that .  I guess one takes care of the other , like  if you can yeah if you can call it then it's marketing: Okay . For the so you have that button , that so there's is there a light or shall we leave just have a radio ? industrial designer:  on the T_V_ or on the phone ? marketing: Are we just having a radio ? On the phone . industrial designer:  it seemed like a a beep seemed the most reasonable to me , user interface: T marketing: You don't need a light . industrial designer:  when you need to find your phone , you just have someone call it and it starts ringing somewhere and then you can figure out that it's in the couch or wherever . project manager: And like if the if the phone's under the couch , you might not see the light , so marketing: You can hear it's under the couch yeah . project manager: So  the two remotes that you had shown r I don't remember who showed them , yeah you you did  , industrial designer: user interface: That was that was me . project manager: they're  one looked like it was for V_C_R_ type thing , and the other looked like just television . user interface: I think w I think they're both sort of just like general remo they're both general remotes . 'Cause that that is something we have to decide , is whether we want to have V_C_R_ capabilities . user interface: And  industrial designer: Does anyone know if V_C_R_s are the same across international ? user interface: Yeah . industrial designer: Okay , so you'd need like a whole different set of buttons for everybody's V_C_R_s . marketing: It not V_H_S_ here ? project manager: But D_V_D_ probably is . user interface:  project manager: And and if we're if we're targeting young professionals and teenagers ,  it's gonna be D_V_D_ type , that's the the technology these days . Okay , let's see if I can I think still though , it shouldn't be that hard to take like just reduce the number of buttons you know , project manager: Yeah . user interface: like 'cause if you just have like one menu button , that works like with a you know , or you can just kind of scroll through the options u that come up on the T_V_ . marketing: Well for sure we need the  I think we can just design the channels ?  power's just a button , and it's not used that much , project manager: S user interface: Yeah . project manager: You know , I've seen some remotes that where you just hold one , like if you hold one down it's it's a different colour than the other buttons but that turns it on . So you don't actually have a separate power button , it's just marketing: Oh okay , yeah . Just 'cause I wouldn't I would probably pick it up and just be like  why is there no on button . marketing: Well even  iPod thing , like  , I don't know if people like this but if you want to reduce the number , of buttons , instead of having like one to nine , have a sort of user interface: That sort of like joystick flat touch thing , yeah . Because people li seem now the iPod's out people seem to like this thing that there's no Know you don't have one two three four five user interface: Yeah , yeah . user interface: it's it's funny like you f like I just I don't have an iPod but like I , you know , I just like started messing around with one of my friend's the other day , and you just sort of and it's funny how you pick it up and you just figure out how to use it quite easily , like it's not that hard , you know . It is really but do you need a screen then , do you have to have a screen then ? marketing: Well can't it tell the like can't you if you industrial designer: Yeah , you can have the number going around in the corner . marketing: you can have the number on the telly going like one two three four five once you scroll and then user interface: Yeah . project manager: Oh that's gonna Is that like on on a mouse pad where like kind of user interface: Like a disc . marketing: And then you can have  if you actually just want to zap , you can have like a thing like that , and that , and then it can just be plus and minus . So like it's like a little part of the circle that Or it oh so it's just a region of the circle that you can marketing: Yeah , you can project manager: Well i user interface: zap . project manager: We could we could even have four buttons , like , if that's the if that's the mouse , you could have the volume and the channel changers just like on that as well . So volume could be like the top it and the bottom So do you need to industrial designer: Doesn't it rotate though , user interface: okay . user interface: Well y you have to you have to like be able to change the function of it to like marketing: What do you mean the function ? user interface:  like okay , 'cause so I dunno , I guess Okay so when you g scroll your thumb like around it , it'll s like say you're go you're going clockwise . That that means you're gonna go up the channels , and then you scroll the other way and it'll go down . user interface: so if you wanna switch to the to u do you have to switch to a function where like y so you're either in that mode or you're in the mode where like it just has like the four like you know this is channel that way , that's that way and volume is up and down . Okay so you have to like press this middle region and then you can scroll up , go up and down . project manager: So it's like holding marketing: And then well if you do that it goes , but if you like that makes more sense 'cause there's already ones with up and down here , that I've seen . project manager: You can o And you you is there an extra actual button ? Or are you actually you're just using the mouse to go up and down . marketing: Well what you project manager: Like user interface: It's like a b marketing: for the iPod you press an w right if you're on the channel let's say , then you press on the middle and then if you do that again the volume goes up , and if you do that it goes down . marketing: But if you wanna keep it with volume here and here , I'm pretty sure project manager: Well  if if you're gonna this for channels , right , then y wouldn't the volume need to be separate somehow ? marketing: Yeah . project manager: Like you could just have marketing: I don't know , project manager: Oh , like marketing: you could click and then have it up and down , project manager: Oh you could actually user interface: Like marketing: but I think user interface: I think we can go on the fact that it does just work with the iPod . user interface: But the only thing is like , iPods are so expensive , like , it has to be is that part of project manager: Is that what makes them expensi I think it's all of industrial designer: I don't think so . project manager: they have so much memory though , that's it's user interface: You don't think so ? Okay . I think it's the  h it's their capabili  they it can hold what like five thousand songs or something . I'm thinking we could if if we're hav So ba  but an iPod just has that circle thing you know . industrial designer: And they're re-programmable aren't they ? project manager: Yeah . industrial designer: You can put on your songs and then put on a different set , project manager: Yeah . Well like since it just has the circle thing , you could make it a qui a kind of cool shape , like it could be a cool sort of you know , because it could be circular , you know , or something weird like that , just marketing: Yeah . Because , the other thing , I didn't tell you all my presentation , is that people find it find that it's a big waste of time to have to learn how to use your remote user interface: Yeah . user interface: This is just for T_V_ , it's not for or it is does need to be compatible with project manager:  industrial designer: I A D_V_D_ is simple , you just have play , pause , eject , user interface: Yeah . project manager: You know actually our our new project requirements , I'm not sure if they meant o onl use only for television as in not for D_V_D_ or just not internet type things . project manager: So I'll I'll check that and update you on the next user interface: Okay . So like if we had that project manager: But we'll hold off on that 'cause user interface: Yeah . user interface: So , I know I'm not c really clear on what industrial designer: But it's cool to have it all on one , because you wanna turn it on then you wanna turn up the volume , and then you wanna go to the menu , so you don't wanna switch . user interface: I think you would have to have like a function switch button , you know somewhere so like you can you're either on T_V_ , you're on D_V_D_ or you're on V_C_R_ , or you're like . user interface: Yeah , marketing: Yeah , it is only fun user interface: but  like to switch the fun so like to switch the function of the little circle disc , the touch pad . But I think the circle only does channel isn't applicable to D_V_D_ really 'cause you don't wanna user interface: Yeah but it it would be industrial designer: but volume is and volume is actually controlled on the T_V_ so you don't have to switch . user interface: So but I'm saying like , does it make sense to have like some kind of a button , so like you're if you're on T_V_ , like you can switch channels , but then if  if you're on D_V_D_ then like the channel bu like the the region of the disc that was for channels is for like switching to different tracks or s you know , to different  do we need to think about that , project manager: yeah , let's think about it user interface: that like industrial designer: Yes we can try that


marketing: industrial designer: project manager: then we considered some design options with how it should look , we discussed an iPod-like button system which , we haven't concluded but we're Right ,  So , if you all have presentations to do , we can see what where you've come from our last time . Mostly by consulting remote control diagrams from the internet and also by incorporating design ideas from the last project meeting .  , I assume we'll be custom designing our case , probably a hard plastic or some other material case , to protect the remote and the locator . And we'll need to custom desi design a circuit board , because the circuit board has to take the button input and send it to the output so you have to design that each time . But once we come up with a design we'll send it to the circuit people and they'll just print it out . The infrared L_E_D_ is actually gonna be included in the circuit board that comes with it . And al we also need a beeper or buzzer or other sort of noise thing for locating the remote .  , I'd recommend against titanium because it can only be used in the flat cases and it's really heavy .  , and the rubber case requires rubber buttons , so if we definitely want plastic buttons , we shouldn't have a rubber case . project manager: And why not wood ? industrial designer: And , project manager: And why not wood ? industrial designer:  ?  , well we can use wood .  and also we should note that if we want an iPod-style wheel button , it's gonna require a m qu slightly more expensive chip . We can't use the minimal chip , we need the next higher grade , which is called regular . marketing: can I do next ? 'Cause I have to say something about the material project manager:  . Right , I have been searching the current trends , both on the web and via fashion-watchers , and the findings are that the first thing to aim for is a fashion  , fancy look and feel .  , fancy look and feel goes far beyond the functionality of the thing , but I suppose that is included in in the ease of use .  , our fashion-watchers in Milan and Paris have decided , well noticed , that f the fruit and vegetable theme is the is the current trend project manager: user interface: project manager: industrial designer: marketing: and and therefore  we need to go for that if we want , you know , wh whatever our motto is . And also go for a spongy feel , so the the question of our technology whate is Industrial Designer . As to the material should be limited to I don't know how spongy it can be , should discuss this together , I don't know how spongy can be achieved but apparently that's the way to go . I I have been thinking about this fruit and vegetable thing and I prefer fruits to vegetables , industrial designer: marketing: but that's just a personal opinion . user interface: marketing: I think project manager: marketing: I think people like to have a fruit instead of a vegetables in their sitting room . industrial designer: marketing:  those are just suggestions and also we need to decide whether this should be printed , so that still has to do with the material discuss should we print the fruit stuff , or should the actual remote look like a fruit ? project manager: industrial designer: marketing: and finally again with the spongy . It has to be technologically innovative so maybe again our Industrial Designer should look into that or find come up with a solution that's better than mine .  , yeah , to summarise these are the points that need to be  , touched in order to get a good decision , and hopefully our User Interface has more to say about the matter . project manager: marketing: industrial designer: user interface: I actually wasn't aware of the new trends in electronics project manager: industrial designer: user interface: and and  marketing: Neither was I . Trying we're gonna try to talk about ,  what kind of  how people are actually going to be using this iPod-ish remote control , based on fruit vegetable design . project manager: user interface: And , basically , so , this is a touched ba a touch-based graphical interface system .  , kind of  I assume , are we still on the screen idea ? project manager: Oh we s hadn't discussed it last time . user interface: 'Cause if we're gonna have to ha if we have this it just seems like in order to have someone going around and using the  the wheel project manager: You need a screen for it ? user interface: you it seems like you would need a screen . industrial designer: You need a screen with music because you're looking for a specific song , like you know that band or whatever . So , b you you're gonna have to switch to like D_V_D_ and like other things like that , aren't you ? project manager: We're , we're actually not having D_V_D_ , user interface: Are we project manager: that was one of th I I was industrial designer: Yeah . marketing: That correct ? user interface: So anyway if well we just we need to Okay so if we're not gonna have a screen I think I was thinking okay . So basically it's just gonna be a wheel then ? And you're just gonna  I think you're gonna have to have some kind of a right . marketing: Graphical interface ? user interface: Yeah like you're g marketing:  on the you can have it on the telly though . user interface: yeah like you're gonna have to be able to switch to like a mode where you can okay we're not choosing that , I guess . But like choose channel control , like if you wa Because people aren't gonna be able to have like , you know , channels one two three four five six seven eight nine . user interface: So that people seems to be well project manager: You've Yeah , I know what you're saying , you have to user interface: You know . So  I guess that's wh why I was thinking you may need to have some kind of a screen because So that people can go arou go back and forth and choose if or or then again if you just I guess I c I can see like some kind of a thing where like you sort of have like the number come up on the T_V_ like what channel you're on . user interface: You can just scroll and you can just get to like five or like twelve or marketing: Yeah , yeah . project manager: But but imagine someone with s industrial designer: My flatmates actually had one with a wheel , and it it did show up on the T_V_ . user interface: I oh yeah ? project manager: But i what if you have satellite and you have like two hundred channels . Then to get to channel one eighty nine you have to industrial designer: user interface: 'Cause you'll have to like marketing: Yeah . user interface: Yeah if you do , it w so it would have to be you  so you basically just kinda need to figure out like what kind of , you know , range we need to have on the wheel , and  So you're either you're you know , th you're either doing this motion to like control the channels or like once once you stop that , you know , you can like tap for , different project manager: Yeah . user interface: whatchamacallits , different  , you know , functions like volume or , like you can tap just to get to different channels . Like if you just wanted to go to like from five to six you could tap or someth project manager: Right . user interface: And then there's also the concern about you know  how do you get to the menu if you wanna change the brightness of your television , or if you want to  you know switch around , I don't know , like , these different modes like turn on the timer or like something something like that , project manager: Yeah  with that many options , you'd  I'd think that the screen would be better , user interface: like project manager: because you could have that menu option , sort of user interface: I would think so too , like So  and it seems it w it does seem a little silly to have this screen if you hardly are ever using it , you know , because project manager: Yeah . user interface: but then again it would it does make kind of if the screen's sort of just like an option that , like , is just there and you're not really using it , that's kind of project manager: Yeah . industrial designer: You have to get a an advanced chip if you wanna have a screen in , which is more expensive than the regular chip , which is more expensive than the minimal . So then basically it has to have some way to get to get to a mode on the television where you're doing ,  project manager:  . user interface: You can get to you know , you can Like maybe it'll be that central button that , like , then you hit that and then you can it brings up like the menu on the T_V_ marketing: Yeah , yeah , yeah . user interface: and you can just scroll around , like , to do the timer , to do the marketing: Yeah . project manager: So the T_V_ is the screen , that yeah user interface: yeah , yeah . industrial designer: marketing: you can just take theirs and just user interface: Yeah , well we don't want the screen I guess , project manager: Yeah . user interface: but  'cause that just it does seem like , it that would be , like , incredibly expensive , but I dunno , and then so , it just im really all you need is , like , this little wheel then , and you can control everything . What if  , if you're thinking of the design of it now , like the a you know , physical attributes , user interface: Yeah . project manager: and you just have this , it's like just a long silver thing , industrial designer: project manager: or whatever we're thinking .  are you you gonna have any buttons on that besides power and this thing ? Or user interface: It doesn't seem that you would need anything besides pow  and the power button could even be like hold down the menu button for like longer than one second and it turns on the T_V_ . user interface: Like , I think we're looking at something that could be , like like even maybe like a cir I'm f I'm seeing almost like a circular sort of like handheld like thing . user interface:  how do how do I'm not really Like when I use an iPod , I end up just kind of using my index finger to like control it . So project manager: Yeah , I've seen some people just going like that with their thumb , yeah . industrial designer: W when we had the wheely remote control , we it was on the top I think , if you held it like that . project manager: But , were there buttons on there as well ? user interface: Yeah , so industrial designer: Yeah well it had the wheely thing and then it had those eighteen different buttons that I don't know what they do . user interface: Like , I d  , you you want it to be large enough that you can project manager: What if , you had like a b a cover that went over buttons that you don't use very much ? Like you so you could slide it up if you needed to like change the contrast or something like that ? So the options are there but they're not in interfering with the design and the practicality of it . user interface: But can't you just get project manager: Do do you know what I'm talking about though ? Like , yeah just something industrial designer: Yeah . Yeah like maybe something on the side where you slip a panel down and it's got a whole bunch of user interface: K marketing: Well you can have it on the settings , project manager: Yeah , that you can flip over , yeah , yeah . marketing: no ? user interface: Yeah , But , do you need that ? If if you can get to , you know if so long as you're able to bring up the menu on the T_V_ screen . project manager: is is if w I user interface: That keeps it project manager: if we can do this , that'd probably be user interface: really Yeah . user interface: So project manager: So I guess we have to look into the , like , the programming , how this how they actually programme these things , and if that's user interface: Mean industrial designer: Oh how they make the menu show up on the T_V_ ? project manager: yeah . industrial designer: I believe it's ins it's gotta be inside the T_V_ , not inside the remote . user interface: It sounds like this remote's going to be purchased separately from the television , industrial designer: marketing: project manager: industrial designer: Well they usually are . user interface: which is a little industrial designer: Well user interface: My I've never bought just a remote , like , so I don't I don't really know . project manager: user interface: So ,  but  it's I've never had a hard time with like my remotes , like bringing up the menu screen if you need to like change the date or whatever , you know . industrial designer: Yeah , it most of the ones we've had have had the menu button , 'cause it's not like you need to have a button access to like change the contrast or something . Well I guess we have to you know think about But  you just basically need the output signal you know to be able to bring it up . marketing: But also if you have it on the screen you can actually write everything out , because the problem with buttons is you like , they have these sort of abbreviations and codes that you're supposed to understand , user interface: Yeah . project manager: you don't know they mean , yeah , it's like industrial designer: marketing: and I never get it . user interface: So , but marketing: So user interface: oh , you mean if we have this screen like the iPod screen ? marketing: Well on the telly . So yeah I think , I think I think the touch-based graphical interface is a really  cool idea industrial designer: user interface: because you know it is so obnoxious to like have to push those like okay now I hit this you know , you have your little guide out and you're like , hit this button twice , like to activate the date . And it is trendy , the iPods are really hot right now , so project manager: B Yeah . marketing: Did you did you get that pc picture on did they provide you with that picture on the web ? user interface: yeah , by web research , yeah , so marketing: That's quite interesting . What are we going to do about this vegetable thing that I'm dreading ? project manager: Oh god . industrial designer: one of the material options is a sort of rubber that's in like those stress ball things . user interface: Yeah , c that's e that would be kind of oh , you know , usually like the touch pad things are kind of a hard plastic typ mouse type , you know , thing . user interface: But what if we ha what if we had like a spongy sort of like stress balley kinda industrial designer: project manager: marketing: industrial designer: user interface: so you're like industrial designer: Yeah I think it could work . user interface: Or what if we integrated the the  the f what if the whole thing about the fruit and vegetables marketing: user interface: we somehow made it tactilely fash you know , we c tapped into that , so like it feels like industrial designer: Don't think I'd want it to feel like a banana . marketing: If it's a small thing , you c instead of creating an object for it that looks like a banana , industrial designer: marketing: which frankly I'm not particularly fond of , project manager: user interface: marketing:  you could just have covers and then your mobile f it's like a mobile phone thing . marketing: You know you had there was a time when they had all these different covers for mobiles . industrial designer: You could do like the computers where they have like the grapefruit , apple machine and they have like the blueberry , like all the colours are named after fruits . project manager: marketing: And it could the colour can fit your sitting room , industrial designer: marketing: so if you have red sitting room you can have strawberry , and then if you have a green one you can have well I don't know . project manager: So what if what user interface: So I think project manager: this is user interface: yeah , colours . If you have like that stress ball material kind of as what you're actually holding in your hand , so like what you're feeling is comfortable , and then there's more of a hard plastic thing where that thing is . project manager: And on that hard plastic thing you can change either the colour or the fruit or vegetable that's on there .  project manager:  how are you how are you all envisioning by what we've just the feedback we've just got about the marketing: Maybe a ball . That you can p user interface: That's in the shape of a fruit , like a project manager: industrial designer: marketing: well I see you're thinking , it's weird , you're thinking the opposite of me 'cause you're thinking you change the the hard bit project manager: Yeah . marketing: and I'm thinking how do you change the hard would you put a  sticker sort of ? Because I was thinking if you have a cover for the squashy bit , like a project manager: This is just Okay . Yeah I was thinking of getting a cover for project manager: That see I was thinking this s marketing: Which is cheaper . project manager: I was thinking this bit here would be the cover and like that's your actual thing . project manager: And like this you could have like you could have like cherries and things around there . industrial designer: So you're holding a squishy ball project manager: 'cause the way you were describing the the iPod and the thi the roll thingy industrial designer: and then it has a user interface: It's like it has to be s project manager: It's almost like your thumb is farther up , user interface: yeah . project manager: so if if you could squish it lower then industrial designer: Yeah I guess so . So it wouldn't be very big in either like how big ? This big , and then you just do that , I suppose . user interface: What if , yeah , what if the squishy , oh so so you're saying the squishy part's like detachable , and you can so so maybe one you know you can have like the broccoli squishy thing , and then you could have like the banana squishy thing project manager: industrial designer: marketing: user interface: and you could get you could have your choice , you know ? marketing: Well just a li I can't des like condom thingy , like a a cover . project manager: industrial designer: marketing: But well the question is , which one's easiest to change and we can just contact our relevant department for that , project manager: Yeah . marketing: and just see what the cost is for covering that or covering that , user interface: Yeah , yeah . marketing: and for now we can do two prototypes maybe and then hi try and ask users what the best is , user interface: Yeah .  I think  and I think the handhe I think the handheld part is definitely So you could make that into the fruit and vegetable part . marketing: If it's a bit like those juggling balls , you can change shape according to your to the way you hold it . marketing: If it's got sand in it maybe , or something , you it it just moulds to your hand . So where are the fruit and vegetables now ? project manager: industrial designer: I guess they would be either in the colour of that plastic face on the front , or in the colour of the squishy thing underneath . marketing: And the rest is the company the company colour's silver ? project manager: It was , yeah , silver and yellow . It l it looks like I don't industrial designer: user interface: We could promote the banana one . project manager:  that's another question , where are we gonna we we should have the logo somewhere on it . Then you need to have the other part just be sort of a single unit that you can snap off . user interface: Yeah , I think ,  it'd be interesting to have the b the squishy bit . The part that you , yeah , can change into the different , you know , trendy vegetables and fruits . project manager: I don't know what the rest of my notes mean because they were made for me .  , so what d but what do we know about energy ?  we're gonna use batteries right ? And industrial designer:  we actually had an option of batteries , solar power , and  a dynamo , project manager: industrial designer: which is something I don't know what it is . It's the en it's like if if something moves , when it moves , it stores energy . Yeah , the other one was the other one was a kinetic thing where you'd basically have to wind it yourself . industrial designer: We could have talked about doing a wind-up or a dynamo or a solar power . But dynamo the the fact with dynamo is , the moment you move it , it c it creates energy on its own . So if you throw it , it's gonna store loads of energy , and you don't need to buy a battery 'cause they're quite f I find them annoying . industrial designer: Didn't have enough data to actually marketing: Does anyone have costs on the on the web ? industrial designer: All it said was it gave sort of relative , some chips are more expensive than others , sort of things . project manager: What does chip on print mean ? industrial designer: for things like remote controls , they stamp out a chip , marketing: project manager: -huh . industrial designer: But it's not like a computer , you can't like reprogramme your remo remote controls , it's like stamped onto the chip . And case ?  I guess that's what we've been talking about , industrial designer: Case is what we were discussing yeah . thinking of like syntactic case and thi industrial designer: project manager:  let's see . project manager: talk about ? Oh when we move on , you two are going to be playing with play-dough . industrial designer: project manager: and working on the look and feel of the design and user interface design . Does it matter that I end early ? marketing: I it's strange because project manager: How how early is it ? I didn't get a pop-up thing that said {disfmarker}